Why Do People Like Lindsay Clancy Attract Fan Clubs?

0:00Welcome to the 3 Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America and Jim Garrity of National Review. 3 Martini's coming up. It's a special day on the 3 Martini Lunch. Jim Garrity and I are in the exact same location. I don't know if you knew that that wasn't usually the case, but it is the case today that his power is out. Thankfully, no trees falling on the Garrity home from last night's storm, but it's kind of hard to do a podcast with no electricity. So Jim, thanks for making the effort to come in studio and I know you're completely focused on what we're going to be talking about today. I was going to say it's a Friday in late summer. NFL season is not yet begun. By the way, if you power goes out around like 10 or 11 last night and you usually sleep with a CPAP to help you breathe when you're sleeping and you suddenly don't have that for the entire... You get a lot less sleep than you usually do. So listeners, viewers, please be patient with me.

1:00I will try to remember, you know, how many Martini's would you again? What's the name of the show? If you thought Jim was unfiltered on a regular basis, lack of sleep. Jim is going to be even more fun, but we'll see what we got to you today. First of all, mostly good first Martini here, but a little bit of a bitter aftertaste, which we'll get to in a moment. But first of all, we've had some pretty rough job months here in the last several months. But in August, the numbers exceeding expectations. CNBC with the story of the US economy adding jobs at a brisk pace in August, reversing a summer slowdown in hiring while the unemployment rate held steady. Non-Farm payrolls rose as seasonally adjusted 162,000 for the month while the unemployment rate as expected held steady at 4.1%. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for payrolls to go up by 53,000, not 162,000. It's a big, big miss in the right direction. August told us with the strongest monthly gain since March, Chris Rubeki of FWD bonds

2:02says net net, the labor market is alive and well and generating thousands of new jobs to help keep economic growth squarely in the plus column. And the report was consistent with what the Federal Reserve officials have called a stable labor market. Jim, as we have said many times, especially in an election year. And this goes beyond the importance of an election, of course, but ideas in people's minds start to solidify harden around labor day. And that's exactly where we are here. Not sure how much this will change people's perceptions of the economy as we'll talk about in a little bit. But in terms of beating expectations by more than three to one, you got to like that. Well, besides the fact that you and I always root for high rates of job creation no matter who the president is, no matter who, minerals congress, more jobs is good for America. I think that also like this counts really as a bullet dodged. You know, last month was a decline in jobs, which kind of surprised a whole bunch of people. If you've had two bad ones in, you know, back to back, you'd hear the talk point. It's not just cost of living. It's not just inflation.

3:03Job creation has dropped off. The economy is really hurting blah, blah, blah. And it's not Republicans wanted to be talking about heading into an election. This refutes or dispels or balances out the bad news from before. And if you're a Republican who's getting asked about the economy, getting asked about cost of living, yeah, you're going to have some problems, you know, you have to explain that you're in war undoubtedly at effect on oil prices. That's the reason the gas prices are higher. We'll talk a bit more about that in a second. But you can point to the job creation. You can point out that 4% is low by historical standards. And it's been a pretty steady job creation pace. Not fantastic, not off the charts. You can always do better than you're doing. But really this dispels what would have been a very easy talking point for Democrats and the left and kind of give us the administration one more thing they can point to. That's okay. This is going pretty well. All things considered. Yeah, it is. And we talked about the previous month. And it says here in the CNBC piece, in addition to the gains in August, prior months, did see upward revisions. July showed a gain of 21,000 jobs, swinging positive from a loss of 23,000.

4:04June was revised up to a gain of 31,000 or an increase of 11,000 from the original numbers. And so, you know, it's interesting to watch some of those pretty significant revisions a month or two after the fact. And they say the job gains were pretty broadly based. Restaurants and bars, maybe getting ready for the NFL season, led with 59,000 new jobs. Well government education rose by 42,000 manufacturing up 16,000 health care, which is usually the primary engine of job growth, a gain of 13,000. So, which is actually kind of low for them. But yeah, you like to see it broad based and not just in one area. And at the end of Labor Day, you're probably losing a decent number of seasonal jobs. Maybe that was reflected more at the end of July, I don't know, but the fact that you can gain that much in the face of, you know, people going back to college and that sort of thing is pretty healthy as well. Yeah, you'd like to think that it balances out to a degree. The beach resort jobs disappear, but the skier resort jobs start picking up as the seasons change in different parts of the country and things like that. So, that's why they seasonally adjust these sorts of things. I don't think you're going to be seeing on a scale large enough to affect the overall

5:05national unemployment rate. But nonetheless, you take every bit of good news where you can get it. Exactly. Now, if you're at the gas pump, if you're near me, it's high $3, you know, close to $4 for regular unleaded. But one of the big concerns right now is diesel. On Friday, diesel hit a record price in the US, soaring to an average of $5.85 a gallon. And of course, Jim, you know, diesel is a lot of things. You use diesel for manufacturing. You use diesel for trucking everything to different stores and Amazon and everything else around the country. And so the price of things is not going to be helped certainly by record prices of diesel. Yeah. So, this is the topic today's morning jolt. And I looked up, so 97% of the class eight highway tractor trailers, these are the big tractor trailers you see on the highway. 97% of them are running on diesel fuel. Diesel fuel is also what's probably used in most farm equipment. So we're getting into harvest season, actually harvest season, I guess started last month. They put all the big machines out in the fields, collecting all the crops. That's going to run on diesel fuel that's going to cost farmers more.

6:07And I did not know this Greg 90% of the school buses in the United States run on diesel fuel. By the way, did you know which locality has more school buses than any other locality in the entire country? Do we live near that locality? Fairfax County. And you think about it. First you'd be like, really? Fairfax County? And it's got a million people. But then you realize Fairfax County is very spread out, very suburban. And of course, if there's any bad weather in one part, you have to cancel school across the entire county. And by my kids, I've only been to three days of school over the last 18 years. That's how you know. But yeah, sit yo, you'd be like, oh, they're like Los Angeles. There are school districts that have more kids. But generally more densely packed, you have more kids walking to school and you have fewer school buses. But anyway, there's been interesting reports about school budgets that were like, they kind of figured, oh, the cost fuel for school buses is going to be here. And now it's up here. It's significantly higher. And so they're having to look at, you know, what that puts a squeeze on those budgets. So you really can't reduce demand. You'd like to increase supply. You know, whatever you think of the Venezuela deal, you're not going to be getting that oil

7:10up to the United States and we're fast. But the other thing, which is a really big, like the real problem, and I've looked at this several times over the years, including during the Biden years, it's refinery capacity. By the way, we're operating at 96.5% of total available refinery capacity. Traditionally, this is the time of year when they have to take some offline to do needed maintenance. And they said the refineries are looking at, hmm. We put that off another month just because there's such intense demand for this right now. As you mentioned, there's a Rand War. I should point out that as one of Ukraine's biggest cheerleaders, Ukraine blowing up Russian oil fields, oil refineries and oil storage facilities, that too has put a squeeze on it. But basically, like, you know, the Russian oil that was reaching the market is about 1% of the world. The oil that's in the Persian Gulf is about 20% of world supply. So is it a factor? Yeah. I think is it as big a factor as what's going on in Iran? No, not really. But no, by the way, diesel fuel is not the same. The process of creating diesel fuel separates it out into heating oil. Hey, we're heading towards winter and heating oil is going to be needed for the winter, too.

8:11Somebody said that you're going to see the inflationary effects of a diesel fuel price increase about two months down the line. Hey, Greg, what happens in two months? Midterm elections. Midterm elections. Yeah. Not what a Republican wants to hear right now. Exactly. And why isn't there additional refining capacity? Well, under which party wants the regulations and the environmental inspections of the land and all that to take forever? So those additional facilities can't come online. Probably the same people who don't want additional nuclear power plants. Correct. I would also point out, like, there is the good news is there are plans to build the first new oil refinery in the United States in Brownsville, Texas right on the water. They just announced plans earlier this year. The Trump administration was touting it. And for all my gripes, the Trump administration, this is an area where they absolutely are pursuing the right kind of policies. The problem is that one is going to be ready by 2029. So we should not expect immediate effects on this. You know, generally, I think we've, we've, last one we built before them is like 1977. We don't build new oil refineries in this country.

9:13Generally, they take existing oil refineries and can increase the capacity, build more stuff in there. But again, you look at this strikes me as where there's a funnel or a clog in the system. I know everyone wants to say drill, drill, baby drill. Greg, I find that argument crude and unrefined. You know, I'm a dad for the dad jokes. But really in the end, we got to refine, baby refine. No, that's exactly right. And so, you know, you want domestic energy. You got to take the steps to do it. And of course, it's not going to happen overnight. But, you know, to some extent, the price of oil is based on what they expect to happen. So if you're aggressive in creating that capacity, it could potentially have an effect on prices, although not significantly right away. But so overall, good news on jobs, a little bit of a wincing. Certainly, when it comes to diesel and the price impact that's going to have on everything that goes in those trucks and beyond. So in the meantime, don't be wincing because your information is out there and bad people are looking at it and compromising it. Your personal information is easier to find online than you think.

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11:17This Lindsay Clancy trial has been going on a long time up in Massachusetts and Plymouth, Massachusetts. They used to have a policy in Plymouth, Salem, Massachusetts. So I don't know a little more than 330 years ago with people who seem to be out of control. They're not doing that now. They're not drowning people and pressing them with stones and stuff like that. But anyway, she of course murdered her three children. Everybody agrees with that. Everybody agrees that she did that. The question is, was she temporarily in some sort of psychosis, postpartum psychosis, when she did that? Apparently she had not been previously diagnosed with that. Her defense obviously found people who argued that she was. Right now it looks like an 11 to 1 jury and it seems like the 11 want to say that she's not guilty by reason of temporary insanity. There's the one juror hold out. The defense is saying he's a liar. They've called out that he's a man. I don't know if a lawyer hasn't seen 12 angry men and how that evolution of that case

12:17came to a different verdict. But we're either going to get a mistrial or an acquittal here. And if there is a mistrial, I'm not sure the prosecution after an 11 to 1 mistrial is necessarily going to want to come forward on this. But we've also seen women online and women even showing up at the courthouse just cheering on Lindsey Clancy like she's Luigi Mangione in some way. She couldn't be helped in this situation. So Jim, you wrote about this trial earlier in the week. I'm not sure exactly how this is going to play out, but there's so much to take away given the profile at this case is taken on. Yeah, it usually takes quite a bit to get me to write about the stuff that we used to characterize with court TV. My other podcast co-host, Mickey White, has the observation that there are a lot of people who think they are true crime fans. But they're not that interested in the criminology. They're not interested in the evidence and the police work that put the person on trial. They're just really fans of messy human drama. And they like watching people who have lives that are even more messed up than their own. And I have a sneak suspicion that's part of what's driving the public fascination with

13:19this. Thankfully, parents killing their children is rare. I think this is about 500 per year and about 250 each between fathers and mothers. Seeing three children murdered and strangled is, by the way, we should point out that the defendant is not as like already conceded that they did it. This was the one who strangled all three. The defense is not guilty by reason of insanity. By the way, in the state of Massachusetts, usually in a lot of states, if you plead not guilty, it's up to the defendant to prove I was cuckoo for co-co-puffs. I was out of my gourd. This is why I reached the conclusion that I did. In the state of Massachusetts, the prosecution has to prove that the defendant was sane. So if you're going to plead insanity, Massachusetts may well be the best state to do that. I'll avoid any crash Massachusetts jokes right there. But observing that this may be one of the reasons that her team is pursuing this defense, what's been bizarre are the pink t-shirt wearing protesters outside who have basically made the argument that she didn't do it. That it might have been the husband, that it might have been someone else.

14:21And they're putting out arguments that not even her defense team is making. What we're seeing, and also the really nonsensical argument that Lindsey Clancy is all women, or she speaks for all women. A lot of women have experienced postpartum depression. A lot of postpartum psychosis is rare, but it does happen. But the idea is like, oh, that could have been me. Well, if you experienced either of those conditions, you didn't murder your children. So she is not every woman. She is actually the most extreme of outliers in this. And we've seen this come up. Luigi Man, and I made the point I was trying to make in my morning jolt earlier this week, Luigi Mangeoni is not every person who has had a frustrating experience with a health insurance company. O.J. Simpson was not every black man. But the other example, John Dillinger was actually not a rebel against the system. He and his gang killed 10 people over the course of the bank robberies. When someone is on trial, the argument is always some variation of the Christina Donald. I'm not a witch. I'm you. By the way, let the record show. It was Greg Carumbus, who made the first sale in witch trial joke about this trial.

15:22Not me. For everyone who thinks I'm the bad taste to you. But there was this perception of like, oh, the defendant is just like you on a bad day. The J.O. which is really not the case because lots of human beings have lots of bad days. Lots of human beings have all kinds of terrible things to cap it on. And they generally don't become murderers because of it. Murderers thankfully very rare. So there's kind of this deliberate blurring of the lines. There's always this sense of like, oh, when you see the defendant, don't look at someone who's, you know, strangled three children, stabbed their ex-wife and a waiter, or did any of these other, or shot a CEO in a bank. Look at the person who's had frustration with a health insurance company. Who among us hasn't had that? How many mothers have experienced postpartum depression or extremely high level it? But that's not the issue. The issue is what they did, right? That's, you know, so we'll see how this jury turns out. I do think the interpretation of the jury sounds right in the sense that like it does sound like there's a great deal of sympathy there. Somebody pointed out that three of the jurors went to court wearing pink, which had become kind of the symbol of Clancy's defenders, which I look at that and see that's a very

16:24bad thing. The other really bizarre angle in this case was earlier in the week, a woman was arrested for going to a secure parking lot part of the courthouse area and recording the jurors. As a woman apparently said she'd been to the Murkthaw trial down in South Carolina. Apparently she's a crime junkie. Crime junkie. People say, yeah, well, she's a retired nurse, right? So she's got time on her hands. But anyway, like she goes to these trials and she's really into them. Now I watch Jet Games, I wrote to make fun of how you choose to spend your free time. But if you've been to all these trials, well, then you know how important it is that the jurors not have their identities exposed unless they want to expose them after the trial and they want to write their books or go on cable news and say, this is what happened in the jury room or something like that. During the trial, jurors are supposed to be anonymous. People are not supposed to be run around taking their pictures and they're really not supposed to go into restricted areas and record them on their phones. So I don't buy this idea that, oh, I'm a crime junkie and I just happen to bake this

17:26mistake. No, I don't really think that was an instant mistake. So we will see what happens. I think that I completely understand why there are so many people who find this dark and depressing, some are saying this is the natural extension of the abortion argument that basically of a mother, a contaminated child within nine months, who's to say, after nine years, who's to say not later on in life and it's a dark thing. We will see how things shake out in the trial. There's a reason we have the trial. And one thing I would note though is that there are a lot of people, myself included, who have not followed every detail of this trial. Jurors have to sit there and for every moment and often they're taking notes and all that stuff. We'll see how things shake out. But if nothing else, the jurors are forced to pay attention or at least appear to be paying attention for the entirety of the trial. The Dan, I'm reminded of what Dennis Miller said. The only way, if you get arrested in this country, your fate is decided by 12 people who were too dumb to get out of jury duty. And they also say, they didn't sequester the jury, but they told them not to check out

18:26any coverage of the case. So I don't know how you do that. I'm not sure what you're watching. Because they're not sure what I'm watching. Because they're not sure what I'm watching. Women make sense that once in a while they'd wear pink in a long case showing up in the jury box, but if they're doing it every day and it seems to be solidarity with people outside, I think that's more grounds for questioning whether a jury needs to be a room in rather than a guy who's not agreeing with the other 11. I mean, that's part of the jury system. In the final analysis, to mix a couple of different pop culture references here. First of all, a few good men. I don't know if you remember that initially Tom Cruise, Demi Moore and Kevin Pollock are all in the same defense team. Demi Moore was sympathetic to the clients right away. Kevin Pollock was not. They're like, you don't believe their story at all. You think they should go to jail for the rest of their life? And he says, no, I do believe their story. And I think they should go to jail for the rest of their lives. And I don't know that I believe her story at all about the psychosis. But if you kill your kids, I think you should go away. But on law and order, after they dealt with that, if Jack McCoy thought there was grounds to go after the pharmaceutical companies for this gigantic cocktail of anxiety medicine

19:26or whatever she was on, that would be the second half of the episode, I think. And who knows what will happen in this case. I won't even get into what Candace Owens has been saying. But there are a lot of people who would very much like to blame big pharmaceutical companies for her actions and the idea that she was not in control of her actions as well as all her results of that. Because also the question is, when someone says, oh, look at all the prescription medications they had, there's also the question of how many of the prescription medications did they take and whether you can prove that. Also, what I said earlier about the unique nature of Massachusetts law. And imagine being a juror and jurors are not psychiatrists. Right? So the psychiatrists can be brought in as expert witnesses. They can explain the mind, how it works, how medication could affect the neurons, how it could affect your thinking. But in the end, it's up to the jurors to decide that. When I wrote this earlier in the week, somebody was like, you're not a psychiatrist, Jim, what do you know? I'm like, okay, well, you might think I'm unqualified to write about it, but I'm also equal qualified to be on the jury. So in the end, there's a way, who do I have to be to say, I had pointed out that basically

20:28according to the testimony, Clancy looked up the amount of time that her husband would be away picking up takeout food, before sending him out. And that's when she killed the children. And so to me, that's recognizes, oh, you're not good for co-opuffs. You are not, you're not hallucinating. You are not unable to tell thing illusion, that to me says for thought. That to me says planning. That to me says a mind that's very capable of recognizing the consequences of actions. But I am out on the jury, Greg. Yeah. The other thing that comes with this case, though, and we've talked about them are, you know, the women outside the prison, the defender she has online, whether it's Manjioni, whether it's the people on the overpass while OJ was in the Bronco. I mean, it's just fascinating how people who are accused of the most heinous things can still develop a fan club for these things. And you're just like, even if the defense is telling the accurate story here, this is only horrible on every level. The fact that there's like a cheering squad in any of these cases is just beyond the pale. Greg, not everyone roots for rational things like the Chicago Bears and New York Jets, although

21:31people have pointed out the defense. That's the rational either of some years. The defense is, the defendants, they have a defense. And they've committed offenses. So they're covered in both ends. So. All right. Well, when we come back, a shake up, but a big cable network. All right, Jim. Yesterday afternoon, we got the news out of Fox News that Maria Bartoromo is gone. You know, ages ago, she was known as the money honey over on CNBC. Then she's been with Fox Business for a long time. A very terse statement yesterday from Fox News media. Fox News media just saying we thank Maria for her work over the last 12 and a half years and wish her all the best on her next chapter. So what's going on here, that some of the immediate speculation was, oh, she's going to be the new press secretary. Well, maybe, but that's not why she's out at Fox News. Dylan Buyers over at Puck says the backstory is that Maria Bartoromo wanted to pursue a story related to China and the 2020 election voting conspiracies, a major sensitivity for Fox,

22:34given its dominion and smartmatic lawsuits. A Fox Business executive sent a text to Fox Business producers informing them that the story could not go on air. Bartoromo then took a screenshot of the guidance and sent it to senior White House officials. Fox News leadership learned about that after receiving a call from the White House, which they viewed as a fireable offense. Fox pulled Bartoromo from air after August 9th. She was fired today, meaning yesterday. And a buyer says I've also learned that her executive producer was also fired after the announcement. Maria had resigned her contract with Fox last February. So I'm not sure what term she was on up until this point. Maria Bartoromo has been in the business a long time. I'm sure given her financial sense, I'm sure she's well set for a while here. I'm sure she'll get a new job soon to some extent. But Jim, once your boss is telling you you can't do something to go behind their back, it's probably going to lead to something like this. Of course there are other people saying that she was pursuing something and the suits wouldn't let her. But what's your take on Bartoromo here? Well, first of all, when the news broke, it was my reaction.

23:35Everybody else's reaction was up. She's going to be the next White House secretary. Because it seemed to be out of the blue. And we know that there's an opening there. We know that Trump's been complaining that he doesn't want Captain Levin to leave, but she's going to be on maternity leave. And so this kind of this question of who is going to fill those shoes. Maria Barroomo has been a friendly. Really interviewer of the president for many years. And that seemed like a natural match there. Not the case at all there. Greg, I don't know about you, but I can think of a, and I'm say 787 million reasons why Fox News Channel would not want its employees airing any specious claims or debatable claims about the 2020 elections considering the settlement they made with dominion voting systems. And then they had a settlement with smartmatic. And it's like there's obvious reasons why the Fox Network is very, very touchy about people making claims about the 2020 election and claiming hacking of vote totals or something like that. The president's prime time address talked about China and I walked through it and like

24:36some of it was kind of overstated when he says that they accessed a voter data whether or not you voted as public record. So it's not like this is breaking into some secure facility to get this information or things like that. So look, I think if the right line of action is to say like really like to do this story, I'd really like to examine these claims. I'll run them by a legal team. So make sure we're not putting ourselves in any liable situation. We're not putting ourselves risking ourselves. That would seem like the better one. When the boss is say here's the ruling and you go to the president or you go to the president's team, you say this is what my bosses are telling me. Your employer really can't trust you anymore. And unfortunately I think that you know I understand why she felt very strongly about this. I understand what she felt like this was probably some sort of unfair restriction on her ability to chase down the story she wants to chase down. But in the end, your bosses need to be able to trust you particularly on a topic that is as touchy as this one that has blown up at the network's face in such an expensive way. So I can't she cannot be possibly surprised that has shaken out this way.

25:37I imagine when she sent that text, she was probably comfortable like that. My suspicion is you don't do something like that. If this is the first time you've ever had a disagreement with your bosses. But thankfully Greg, as I sit here in the studios of Radio America, they are excellent and wonderful people who've never been wrong about anything. I could say the same thing about Nash Review and Watch The Post. Yeah, what you're saying, like Judy really think that if we had disagreements, we would not talk about them on the air. I think institutions have a right to expect that disagreements are going to be held in house and that everybody's going to keep an appropriate and respectful tone. And when the boss says this is the way it's going to be, your options are to leave, try to persuade them again or salute and say yes sir and keep on going the way it is. Unfortunately, in the end, Maria Bartoromo made her choice. And that's why whenever there's a dismissal in media, the departure is abrupt because you can't allow the person potentially to go back on air. Oh my goodness. Yeah, let me tell you what's wrong with my boss. So it can seem abrupt, but there obviously are reasons for that. Completely off topic, Jim.

26:37I'm sure it wouldn't be for this administration, but would you ever want to be press secretary? No. I'm not a good I'm a feet, but I think that would get you after a while. I don't quite want to say they can't afford me. But it's worth noting, by the way, like most people when they talk about, you know, cable news figure, like Scott Jennings has been mentioned a lot as a possibility. I don't know exactly how much Scott Jennings is making from CNN and from his radio show, but my assumption is pretty penny. I don't remember off the top of my head of what the White House Secretary gets. It's probably between 100 grand to 200 grand somewhere in that range, you know, and maybe on the upper end of it, but like most of the time to work in government at a certain level, you are taking a pay cut. And particularly, you know, like now, do you do it for a couple of years and you, you get a book deal and you get to say, you know, alongside the president, to sure, it's for some people, it's worthwhile for other people. It's not. I don't think I've ever, even for Bobby Jindel, even for Pat Toomey, even for my favorite guys. I don't, you know, everybody, none of them got anywhere near the White House. So I don't think I like being on the outside.

27:39I like being able to critique. I was very briefly employed. This is a good way to promote our Labor Day episode. I was very briefly employed in public relations and I hated it in part because I would write things and then other people would write exactly what I'd written under their name. Hmm. Deeply, deeply frustrating. That's a whole other problem in the media. That's what that's job of PR guy puts me up, make journalism easy for lazy reporters. And shockingly, I didn't want to do that. All right. Mr. Garrity, coming up in just a moment, we'll tell you a little bit about what's coming up on Monday. All right. Monday is Labor Day, which means most people have the day off. Really, Jim and I will too. But we are going to have a fresh episode for you on Monday. It's our Labor Day episode. We're going to tell you who we think are the hardest working people in government and maybe media, the least hard working in those areas. And then we're going to tell a couple of stories from our own work experience, which should

28:40be pretty darn entertaining after all the years we've been working here. So Jim, looking forward to that. Well, I can't wait. Listeners, viewers, you should know that when Greg and I come up with some sort of special category like this, it's almost a preview of our end of the year awards. We spend absolute minutes and minutes thinking of who we should name for something like this. So looking forward to it. And by looking forward to, I mean, looking forward to taping it very shortly. And then everyone can listen to it on Labor Day on Monday. So in the meantime, Jim, have a good weekend and I'll sort of be with you on Monday and of course on Tuesday as well. I'll see you vaguely early next week, Greg. Jim Garretty National Review. I'm Greg Carumbus of Radio America. Thanks so much for being with us today. Please be sure to subscribe to the podcast if you don't already. Tell your friends about us as well. We'd love to have them listening. Thanks also for your five-star ratings and your kind reviews. Please keep those coming. Get us on your home devices. All you have to say is play three-Martini lunch podcast. Follow us both on X. He's at Jim Garretty. I'm at Greg Carumbus and follow three-Martini lunch on Facebook and Instagram. Have a terrific weekend and join us for that special Labor Day three-Martini lunch on Monday.