Zoë chats with Ben Rubin about the UK NHS health system

A fascinating two part chat with Ben Rubin in which we explored the NHS, Ben's personal connections with the NHS, why it's so complex, the costs, how the NHS should be designed (human centred) and how it is designed (layer upon layer of tech projects and upgrades).  Part 2 is available at zoeharcombe.com and dietandhealthtoday.com