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3:06a multi-billion dollar scam that's hiding in plain sight that insurance companies have been running for years. Sound of a game, I got to give him credit. On this is Charles Sauer, he's president of the Market Institute that kind of broke the sign wide open. Charles, good morning. How are you? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate, Charlie. So, Dr. Oz, he's been tasked as the head of the CMS, another government acronym there, Wastewater Abuse, a big part of the Trump administration's healthcare agenda. It has to do with something called Medicare Advantage. If not familiar, that was created to offer beneficiaries, more options, more flexibility, kind of a privately-administerated health plans, kind of a free market alternative to traditional Medicare. But the fraud mechanism is rather interesting. So, let's get into that this morning, Charlie. As I said, most people know about Medicare fraud and fraud fake billing, but this one's different. Explain how insurance companies are legally gaming the system. So, in general, we consider the free market is great. The more government that we could move into the free market, the better.

4:08But there is this friction when you have the free market working with the government. And that is what we're looking at here. So, the way that the government pays the insurance companies is that they have a health-risk assessment score. So, the thicker you are, the more money you get. And so, what happens is, is somebody enrolls in Medicare Advantage. And to be clear, 54% of Medicare and Rollies are in Medicare Advantage. It's about 50 million people or 35 million people are in Medicare Advantage. And so, what we see is that these insurance companies have an incentive to continually crank up that health-risk assessment score. And that's costing taxpayers about $7.5 billion a year. And that's just the way private market incentives work. The insurance companies want to make you look thicker to the government because then their paycheck is bigger. Yeah, your sicker on paper, basically, is what you're saying. Yeah, your sicker on paper.

5:09And so, what they do, and people have got these phone calls. The insurance company will call you up. They will send the nurse out to your house because they want to have you out there. And the nurse will come out. They will see how many boxes they can check, how sick they can make you. One of the insurance companies in particular, they had up to three times more heart-risk. And that meant that they were receiving $3,600 per patient just because they had this increased heart risk. So, three times the national average is what this insurance company was showing. Again, this is billions of dollars. What Director Oz is looking at is generally the money that's going out the back door, right? The people that are stealing stuff off the loading dock. And in this case, this is the government shoveling it out the front door. And so, we think what he is doing is important. We think what he is doing is commendable. But we do think that the government's shoveling money out the front door is possibly one

6:11of the first things that they should look at. Because again, this is billions of dollars. And it's just an incentive that the government created. I don't even think the insurance companies are doing anything wrong. Interesting. So, the insurance are basically self-reporting how sick their patients are and then getting paid based on the report. Who and why did we ever send it up that way in the first place? So, look, this is, I've even, I wrote a bill with Pete Sessions from Texas. And we actually even used the health, the riskment, the health assessment risk score as a part of our bill. Because it is this kind of amazing thing where you can, in the free market, you could have people move from one plan to the other. And so, it's actually used so that there's no distance in it. So that the insurance companies will take the healthy and they'll take the sick because if you're sick, the insurance companies wouldn't want you, right? You've got more money. But the government uses this score so that there's no adverse selection. So that the insurance companies will take everybody.

7:13It's just a problem when it comes down to that's also, you know, how they get paid and it could be continually adjusted. And once they're out of Medicare, the government isn't playing in that assessment anymore. And so they continually crank it up over time. And we're seeing that play out in real dollars and it's not necessarily playing out in quality of care or in the healthcare. No, that makes sense. And cutting down on this stuff is going to be the hardest part. It's great to have the plan together and go, look, we're doing this. But, you know, as you know, to try and any program that set up this way and has been set up way for a long time is going to be extremely difficult. So, United Health Care, for example, a diagnosing peripheral artery disease at three times the rate of traditional Medicare, that's a staggering number. And that sounds to me like a smoking gun can, can you HC and other companies explain that away or no? They can't. And the fact is, is that that is the smoking gun that we hope that Dr. Oz can go after. But again, I don't even blame United Health Care on this. This is, they're sending these nurses out to these homes and they're giving them, you

8:17know, they have a sheet of what can they put on these sheets where it's hard for somebody to come in and say that that's not happening. Realistically what we need is to change the incentives. And CMS has started looking at this where they can change the weighting that certain codes have. And that can bring this broad and abuse way down. But the fact is, is that's still the government making decisions. And that could affect in the future the way that health care is delivered. So, you know, in my mind, and in the right public policy is always going to be less government, right? You really need to reduce the amount of money going out from government on health care. And we need to reduce the government's involvement in health care. Maybe we let people opt out of Medicare and all together and so that they can get their own private health care through like a health care sharing ministry or a plan with their own HSA. But we need something, we need the government to focus on these incentives. We need them to focus on the waste fraud and abuse both in the front door of CMS and

9:18coming out the back door as well. Okay, so two and a half billion dollars in improper payments in just one year. Put that in perspective. What could that money fund? I mean, look, if you have the money that can go to somebody like a Keith Smith in Oklahoma who's charging 10% of what the nonprofit hospitals are charging, that can fund a lot of health care. We currently have the wrong prices in health care because of the government's involvement. So when you see doctors that have opted out, they can get a multiple. So this is what I'm talking about. If we can stop the money, it's going to government and leave more money in the patient hands, then people can make choices on where to spend that money. And when people are left to make the choices on where to spend it, then we can get 10X the value of what government's spending on health care currently. And this is the Medicare advantage is the one that we're focusing on today. The government overpaying hospitals for care as well.

10:19They pay seven times more money to hospitals for the same thing that an independent doctor gets. And Medicare itself is brought with people that are having people come in and identify more and more and more codes for their fee for service. So I mean, there is business model set up just around the government involvement and health care. All right. So it's $23.5 billion in improper payments in a single year. That's less funding than allocated to the space, space forces like around $30 billion dollars. And about a third of what we spend on, you know, Department of State, you know, it is like the budget, the entire budget of the Department of Commerce to put that in perspective that we lose every year and everyone asserted the Department of Commerce. That's a staggeringly huge number. So the mandate that Oz has is all emanate waste fodder. It's okay. Has his CMS, which I forget what that stands for, but is that agency actually done anything

11:19meaningful on this? Or is it still talk in the form of stages? So they actually just recently changed the waiting for some of the codes. And so the question is, MedPAC came out with a score and that's realistically a lot of the numbers we're looking at on the 23 billion and that's 7.5 over a year. And the estimate is that based on the recent changes, that comes down, that it started at 6%, we're coming down to 1.2%. So we could be coming down to almost less than a billion in profit. If what CMS did is correct, but the problem is, and the problem that we see is that if that doesn't change the incentives of the market, it changes the rules of the soccer game. You know, these insurance companies can no longer use the codes that they were using. But the fact is, is that the incentives in the markets stay the same. So really, we need a change to the underlying rules. And so there's a bill called the No Up Code Act that helps change this and we can actually

12:21start changing the incentives. Now the fact is, is anywhere that the government is involved with the private sector in providing services to the public, the incentives are always going to be there. But if we can pass legislation that at least helps change the incentives, then we can be well on our way. Okay, very good. Should the blame entirely fall in the insurance? I mean, Congress created these incentives. So is Congress largely at fault? Because typically what happens is Congress creates things. Smart people find what they call loopholes, which aren't loopholes. It's just the nature of the game, the cat mouse game of it. Companies like this insurance take advantage and then become the bad guys. This is all on Congress. I would think 90% of it, yeah? I think if 99 or 100% Congress look, private companies make decisions that are best for themselves and the customers, right? Because if you don't have the customers, then you aren't making money. And so their incentive is to make the best decisions for themselves and their customers. The government is the one that sets up the rules.

13:23So I think that is where the focus needs to be. We see the same thing in hospitals. The rules are buying up independent practices around the country. They're doing it because the government has provided the incentives to do so. And so whether it is site neutral policies, Medicare Advantage policies, or even fraud, we need Congress to act to change the rules of the road and how these markets are actually working. How about just getting Congress to act on anything? It'd be great these days. Charles Sauer, Charlie is the president of the Market Institute. Dr. Oz Tess was cracking down on Medicare, waste, fraud, and abuse. And the biggest scam out there is something that Congress put together. So what we're talking about is if you're in vote in Medicare, Medicare Advantage, that the insurance companies are basically self reporting how sick you are if you're a patient and then they get paid on the report. And so we're letting them dictate basically you're sicker on paper than you are in person because it's making them a whole of the money to the tune of $23.5 billion every single

14:24year. Certainly not all of that is waste and fraud, but a good chunk of it is and that's the problem. But so we've had multiple insurances come out now, Charlie, and they've already settled upcoding cases is what we call it, not downcoding is what this is. And they settled that for I think hundreds of millions of dollars. So why hasn't that changed their behavior? So I think that there's several different ways to think about this because there the upcoding in general is there's a fraud way to do upcoding, right? Whether you see a patient, he's got both legs and you code that he lost the leg. That's fraud, right? And so that has happened to insurance companies and they have been caught on that. In this case, it's a risk assessment. It's like almost a self report where the insurance companies are coming in. This is where it's hard to find and it's hard to identify and it's hard to lock them down because that is the way that the rules are set up. It's hard to tell that somebody has an arterial disease just by looking at them. And it's hard to see that sometimes by looking at a hospital health record.

15:28But in this case, this is the self reporting nightmare that we're in. But again, it's the incentive and it is the program that Congress set up. And so I think that that's where we need to focus. If we can change the rules of the game, then the private market will follow and change the way that they're acting. But in general, the best rule to change is just going to be less government. That makes a lot of sense. So it is called the No Upcode Act. And does that have any real chance of passing, given how much lobbying money insurance throws into your throws at them? Well, I think that that's where President Trump is doing a good job, right? We've identified problems out and with government spending, we've identified a group of people, which is all of us taxpayers that don't want more government waste brought and abused. We don't want them throwing away our money. And so with that, I think that the people outweigh the insurance companies. Look, there's millions of us and there's only a couple of lobbyists on Capitol Hill.

16:30And President Trump knows that he's been leveraging that. And I think that that's been working. So yes, I do think it has a chance. And of course, it likely has a chance of being thrown into like a reconciliation 3.0 bill rather than passing by itself. But when you talk to staff on Capitol Hill, this is one of the issues that gets them energized. They'll actually share stories of fighting with the nurses that the insurance companies bring in because the staff know that those nurses are the ones that are doing the upcoding. Okay. So millions of seniors aren't Medicare Advantage now. Should they be worried that your coverage is going to, or your benefits are at risk of Congress reform? No, that's the one thing that if you want to lose an election, you need to, you start really messing with Medicare or people's health care, right? So there's, again, there's 35 million people currently enrolled in Medicare Advantage. The only things that would change here possibly are changing the incentives a little bit.

17:31So I think in the long run, you will see a market movement, but you won't see any major changes in enrollment. You won't see any major changes in this enrollment. You'll just be a slight shift. And that slight shift is realistically the government's taxpayers saving money. And I think that that will eventually mean better care and hopefully more freedom for us to choose our own care as well. Of course, the other side of this would be Democrats that do not like privatized medicine. They want government to pay for it, government to handle this whole thing and the pitch for Medicare Advantage is it's the free market alternative to traditional Medicare. So does this fraud problem undermine the whole free market health care argument then? Does that give them Democrats more ammo? What are the interesting pieces about upcoding? Is that a lot of the Democrats are on this as well? Because what they're seeing and part they get to attack the free market, right? Because Medicare Advantage is the free market side of Medicare. But also what they're seeing is that this wasted money could go to health care.

18:32Now, they would like it to flow back into Medicare instead of staying in Medicare Advantage. But we think that if we reform the system correctly, that while the Democrats and I might have the same fight that we need to reform Medicare Advantage, at the end of the day, I'm looking for a more efficient Medicare Advantage. And I think that that's what we're going to end up getting. Does this get done by the end of the president's term? Now, that's a that's the million dollar question. I mean, if you're forecasting by the end of the president's term, I think that that almost means we only have about two months to pass up things. And so I think our odds are kind of low. And that two months for anybody who's wondering is after we get past the summer, then we're moving on to kind of campaign season, and it becomes almost impossible to pass anything. After the campaigns, then we'll see how those turn out, how the elections turn out. But the odds are that we have about two months to really get something done. Again, the Democrats are on this.

19:32So there is a chance that if there's a Democrat controlled house, possibly even a Senate, a bill like the No Up Code Act could actually move. But we will see how it works. It's going to be an interesting set of bills that could make it. So we're really trying to push for reconciliation 3.0, which we think will happen sometime in July. I think this works, especially whether it's Republicans or Democrats, because it's a bipartisan issue. No one wants Waston fraud. Democrats can use it to show evil corporate American. We've got to crack down on them without pointing the dirty end of the stick of themselves. That's what they should be doing, because they all had a hand in this, of course. But if they're looking to reform the system, this would be good start, regardless of who's in power. Again, it's Charlie Sauer. He is on the show this morning from the Market Institute. And there's a huge fraud thing that Dr. Oz is cracking down in Medicare. And Waston fraud and abuse when it comes to Medicare Advantage. The idea was to create more options and flexibility with private healthcare plans. A free market alternative, but it's right with abuse because the same organizations that give you the exam are going, hey, you know, we can pad, we can kind of pad your bill a little

20:35bit here and put stuff on paper you suffer from that you really don't, which seems criminal to me, but they're getting away with it to the tune of over $23 billion a year. Charlie, all the best. Thanks for jumping on this morning, setting it straight. Thanks for having me on. You got it. How about a news update happened about the five minutes here and when we return last night? Everyone's getting a $5,000 check if you just reelect the Republicans. Is this bribery will be the question? We'll answer it after news 700 WLW. It was nice to see the pig flying for real in the NFL last night. As the sea chickens came back to win, injuries galore. Hopefully that is not a sign of things to come for. Our team anyway, especially the Bengals need to stay healthy, not good. Yeah, we are in football season for sure. Speaking of sports, so real quick, I the honor of the passing of hockey legend, Barry Melrose. Of course, you may recall Barry Melrose from all his years at ESPN as their analyst passing away yesterday at the age of 70 from Parkinson's.

21:38Wayne Gretzky's coach in Los Angeles, as I mentioned, longtime ESPN hockey analyst. And did you know that Barry Melrose spent his first years here in Cincinnati as a member of the Cincinnati Stingers back in the mid 70s. I want to say maybe 76 and some notable teammates of his including former Stanley Cup champion, Mark Messier, was also a part of his team. So pretty cool. But Barry Melrose, literally the face of American hockey for years, passed away yesterday at the age of 70. So I wanted to point that out. I don't have to tell you that voters are angry. Voters are not happy. All Democrats are not happy, but a growing number of Republicans not happy about the economy and everything else. And if you look at the polls, they consistently show that things are getting worse because we're preoccupied with inflation, visible science of stress and we're watching that. Certainly Wall Street is doing seemingly fine right now, but we just had gas go up. Barrel accrued past the $100 per barrel. Mark's the first time since

22:43July, grocery costs, everything else rising by the day. So last night at this thing in Texas, it's a thing. President Trump was there and he promised $5,000 checks for every adult U.S. citizen if and only if Republicans retain control of Congress. And that would be the house and the Senate. So if they can retain you get a check, I get a check, we all got a check. And of course, the first thing you hear about people screaming would be it's illegal. He's buying votes. And it's not vote buying. Certainly the map is tough for Republicans. And to me, it does scream a desperation. But yeah, when you look at those economic and other numbers, I mean, it's just not the economy but others, but it's always the it's always the economy. So we vote on the $5,000 promise. Exactly. At the moment last night looked less like a policy or more like a campaign promise. It's probably not going to happen or just on the pause line. But the idea is for those who say, oh, my God, it's a legal way to investigate this. He didn't say that this is a benefit for all

23:46adults. He didn't say if you vote for us. So that is the work around. It's the same legal logic that protects any candidate's promise to cut taxes or send a rebate. And let's face it Republicans and Democrats both play to their base by offering them free stuff because that is the that should be on the dollar bill. That to me, that should be the motto of the United. We need to change that and update it. You know, forget about we the people. Forget what we need is to say, yeah, I want stuff, but you should pay for it. The things I want should be paid for by someone else. That's how it works. And no different here. So when it candidates on the trail or can they say, I'm going to cut your taxes. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to get you money. I'm going to it's the same thing. And even I believe the Supreme Court has ruled this and said, yeah, there's a there's a definitely went policy pledges and buying votes. So, you know, vote for me. I'll give you

24:46money. If you know, I you come out of the polling place and I give you a handful of cash. If you can prove you voted for me or my party or my cause, whatever it is. And that's certainly illegal, but promising all adults some money is not certainly not legal. And as a matter of fact, I recall back I want to say it was in what 2001, not that long ago in the Georgia runoffs. We had people getting promised $2,000 stimulus checks. If you won and that was the other side doing it. So, you know, both they engage in it. And you know, the politics of outrage or nothing new. And you don't have to go back as far as 2001. I mean, Elon Musk said and it's her by illegal challenges, by the way. It was was constant, I believe, where he was Elon Musk said, hey, listen, I'll just I'll pay you money. You show up. So, yeah, the idea that somehow this is illegal and vote buying is actually it's not true. It's never going to stand up. And I would also say it's a snowball's chance and how that any of us are going to see $5,000. We've heard that before. You know, the idea that I think is

25:49Bernie Moreno just said he is going to leave the charge of this whole thing. Yeah, Congress holds the purse, not the president. And you can't do this by executive order. The spending power sits with Congress. So you need legislation and maybe Bernie Moreno will sponsor this whole thing. But let's not forget that a GOP Congress already said no once. So, yeah, the Republicans told both chambers and still resisted his push for then $2,000 in terror funded rebate checks. Why would that change now? And I'm not quite sure exactly how the funding mechanism holds up too, because that's the other thing is I'll give you $5,000. The math does not support a $1.2 trillion payout. And we've heard this before. I think we've heard in order of promises uncapped. It would be the RAN war is almost over. And then second of that would be we're going to get you some money. We're going to get you a check. Now we did that. The what $1776 for soldiers, but that's a little different because it's a much, much smaller base to promise that every man and woman of adult

26:52age in America is going to get a check. And we've been promised that before. And it's not come nor will have come to fruition. So yeah, it's probably legal. But I would have guessed it'd be dead on arrival in Congress. And if it did pass, doesn't that just add to our national deficit and then increase inflation? And yeah, you may have the $5,000 short term. But interest rates are now it's going to be a wound to the interest rates for sure, which is something we can't afford. So it just and which makes the economy worse and makes a cycle. You just keep people paying off or actually work on fixing the economy. And that's the tough case right now. You know, it's a it's a value proposition. It's built on anxiety and not strength. I think that's the thing of being concerned if you're a Republican is the the smell of desperation here. If you're a campaign and you're confident about your economic message, you run on records, you run on results. Can't do that here. Yeah, there have been some massive inroads man. You're talking about the tariffs and repatriate and money. The problem is that money's not trickling

27:52down to me and you. You're making it that money back and also involving the Supreme Court. But let's face it, the company's actually why they reduced their prices. The answer of course is no. So you're not getting that money back. Somebody's getting, but it's not you. And I think that's what we all think up to is that you look at the price of things and it's outrageous. Now your investments, your 401k in this economy are doing just fine right now. Interest rates mental higher than you want. But at the same time, it's like it's it's two disparate worlds. If you're able to afford to save save some money, you look at it go, wow, doing pretty good. On the other hand, most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck don't have that luxury and do they turn out to vote in this thing coming up and even so, who do you vote for? And I think that's also part of the problem. That my democratic friends look at and go, well, yeah, anybody but Trump, I know that's going to work, man. I mean, you really don't have anyone that's ready to jump up and take over like, wow, I can really get behind that person. You don't have need to have it a long time to be able to figure this

28:55out. And again, still not coming up with stuff other than the fact we're going to try that whole socialist message that's not going to play in the Midwest. And I know they're trying to run from it, but you're ready wrapped your arms around this whole thing. And we'll get to that right now about, you know, shared brown and extremists. I'll give you an example here too, you know, and a much, much closer level to us here in the tri-state. And that would be Amy acted. You know, and I'm going to throw something out here because I'll probably get in trouble for while I was listening to Amy acting starts yelling at a podium and something in you just wants to change the channel. And you know, the instinct is because here's what's going to happen if she loses. And right now, prediction platforms, polymarket and calcium are leaning slightly towards a actin. And it's by the slimmest of margins. She'll say slight edge against Vivek Ramaswami. And that's going to go up and down and back and forth in the coming and the coming weeks for sure. She's much, much stronger in younger voters. Say how they turn out. And that'd be people under 50.

29:59So not that young, but Ramaswami leads in older voters and an independence actin forms. She's really doing well with independence and swing voters. And that's really the key target here. So she could very well be the next governor of the state of Ohio. But yeah, I look at this for me. Anyway, she gets up there and you know, it's a hard time sorting the message out sometimes. And when you hear someone yelling at me and yelling at you, the first reaction is, now is it sexist or is it because that's what it's going to play? She loses. It's because of sexism. They played it with Hillary Clinton. No, she was an unlikable candidate. Nobody wanted Hillary Clinton. She just kind of wedged her way in there. And this is what you got. But of course, you know, sexism is what it is. Oh, please. It's plenty of successful women in the world. But I think we just as a candidate and it may come off more shrill as women. There may be a sexist element there. But again, it's has to do with the tone and tone. And Trump was yelling last

31:00night. I just prefer when candidates don't yell at me and just explain to me what the hell is going. I think mostly Trump does that. But in the case of Amy acting, well, I don't think it's sexist to cringe when you hear this. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart. And these are the survivor files. Just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up. Don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make

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34:09A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone. I hear you get the elbows here. The eyelashes hate each other. You never seen it least so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on the iHeard Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. By age 11 or so at least 70% have a fault. Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy and this is therapy for Black girls. We spend real time on it in our surviving middle school run. Bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist who's raising two Black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological and psychological chaos. I mean all this end up. We got into group chats and gaming, friendships and bullying and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust.

35:10There's belonging that you could think of belonging as I can be myself and I can still be accepted and then there's fitting in. Fitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid rejection. Then we turn the conversation toward the fathers. Sitting down with therapists, cure gains on Black fatherhood and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have more shorts so you can't do flips. You have one to dress you up across your legs. That's the range of this run. From screen time to identity to the fathers doing the work at home. You have to get off your device. But the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as your adults in their life to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who's been their career thinking about exactly this. I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to therapy for Black girls on the iHeartReneo app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Self-Case September is here, which means it's time to rethink what self-cane actually means. Yes, self-care can be a long walk. It can be an everything shower. It can be

36:10putting your phone on, do not disturb. But sometimes it's actually about sitting with the uncomfortable stuff. And understanding your patterns, your boundaries. Finally figuring out why you keep doing things that you swore you would never do again. I'm Jemma Speg, the host of the psychology of your 20s podcast. And each week we unpack the psychology behind the experiences that shape your 20s. From relationships and friendships to money, anxiety, confidence, attachment, just becoming more comfortable with who you are. Unlike the quarter life crisis which is depicted as the collapse, the quarter life reinvention is the expansion and the growth of something. When we develop the ability to be happy by ourselves, nobody else can take that from you. So this self-care September, don't just take care of yourself, get to know yourself as well. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

37:27I can't buy us. You can't buy us in Ohio. That is the end of this. Yeah, you started chanting it. Nobody picks up on it. That's a problem. But you hear that and you go, I don't know about you. We go, wow, that's that's hard to listen to. Now, I'm sorry, but that's an honest response to delivery style. That'll be like, well, you're a sexist as a gender and we're not going to vote for it because she's a woman. No, that's screaming at me. I don't hear a Vivek from a slummy screaming. Either it's the style. It's the volume to pitch the cadence. And I've gotten a lot of people don't like my voice. I get that. That's not sex. There's something about my voice. You don't like. I'm fine with it. Has nothing to do with a woman is speaking. It's the same critique that anyone else would use that style. And there's a lot of people are afraid to say that, but it's true. I mean, Howard Dean back in 2004, if you recall, or have heard it, his scream ended his campaign, not because voters were sexist towards men, but because when you start shouting at some restraint,

38:32it's a loss. It comes across as a loss of composure. And I know that people like Bernie Sanders, who screams a lot, also gets mocked for, you know, being hectoring or just shouting loud is loud. Audience react to that intensity regardless of whose mouth it's coming out of. And I guess to the shrill trap is real, but it's not automatic. Female voices and raised pitch or volume get labeled as shrill or grading more than men do. That's I think that's just the way it comes out. It has to do more of the tone than it is the gender, because women tend to have higher pitch voices. It's just the way it is. Would you have the identical reaction to a male? Well, it's drum screaming last night for a little bit anyway. I didn't watch too much of a cyclopor is yelling. It just comes off differently. And so now it's, you know, I look at this go, okay, Amy Acton has a lot of flaws and she's still doing very, very well. You just look at this whole thing and go, where is the leadership here? Got one

39:32guy promising five thousand other checks. He's never going to cut. And we have this thing that feels off the rails with Amy Acton. I mean, that's a good editorial versus, you know, congressional midterms, but I think you get my point right here. Some leadership would be great. And by the way, 25 years past 9, 11, we thought we'd made much farther along than we were back then. I think we were a lot more unified back then as we were today. That's for damn sure. But again, we had a real enemy then. We today we just pick on each other, pick sides, you know, whether it's male, female, black, white, whatever it is, we tend to fight each other's opposed to a common enemy. We don't have anymore. So anyway, let me get a news update in in just minutes here on the big one 700 WLW. Go a little different direction aside from politics today. And that would be, I don't know if you saw this, but Apple introduced a foldable phone yesterday. And it feels like that this is the way the mobile device world is headed. Are you ready for a foldable phone? And can I just keep my old regular, you know, ask phone and not have to pay? Wait a year, the price of this thing too, by the way. The foldable phones now the future for what's in your pocket.

40:36That's next on the show 700 WLW since when I was 14 years old. I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up, don't play anything. Every week I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're bookshelf and you're for you page are equally

41:41important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is the Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman, Angela Jaretana, Jeremy Colhane,

42:41Patrick McDonald, and we're the hosts of the artists on artists on artists on artists podcast. The improvised character comedy podcast were each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is foe journal. I don't know, have you guys heard of foe journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So you're so we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay, a panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No, I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audrement Donald at the Wonderland bookstore. 14. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark 30. No way. Patrick of the last bookstore though, Kim Kertroll is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He, he winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone.

43:42You get, I hear you get the elbows here. The eyelashes hit each other. You never seen it likely so quiet. As when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on the I heard radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts by Asia, rather than or so. At least 70 percent have a phone. Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy and this is therapy for black girls. We spent real time on it in our surviving middle school run, bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist who's raising two black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological, psychological chaos, happening all this in time. We got into group chats and gaming, friendship and bullying, and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust. You're belonging. You could think of belonging as I can be myself and I can still be accepted. And then they're fitting in. Fitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid

44:45Did we turn the conversation toward the fathers sitting down with therapists, cure gains on black fatherhood and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have more shorts so you can't do flips you have on the dress you have across your legs. That's the range of this run from screen time to identity to the fathers doing the work at home. How to get off her device. But the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as your adult in the life to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who spend their careers thinking about exactly this. I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartReneo app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Self-care September is here which means it's time to rethink what self-care actually means. Yes, self-care can be a long walk. It can be in everything shower. It can be putting your phone on do not disturb. But sometimes it's actually about sitting with the uncomfortable stuff and understanding your patterns, your boundaries, finally figuring out why you keep doing things that you swore you would never do again. I'm Gemma Speg, the host of the psychology of your

45:4820s podcast. And each week we unpack the psychology behind the experiences that shape your 20s from relationships and friendships to money, anxiety, confidence, attachment, just becoming more comfortable with who you are. Unlike the quarter life crisis which is depicted as the collapse, the quarter life reinvention is the expansion and the course of something. When we develop the ability to be happy by ourselves, nobody else can take that from you. So this self-care September, don't just take care of yourself, get to know yourself as well. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartReneo app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, I don't want to be an American idiot. I got a phone show on 700WOW keeping an eye on all things. And the thing in your pocket, not that thing you paid, the other thing, the phone. Do we really, really, really want foldable phones? From the polling that I've seen, most people are like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. But whether you like it or not here, it comes Apple just went all in with a

46:51phone that opens like a book. And we'll see how it sells the prices about to make your wallet full too. Maybe we'll get that $5,000 check. The president promised last night. If Apple's leading into this, that means you're going to get a foldable phone whether you like it or not. Tim Worth is here to break it down for us. He's a tech expert over at CNET, our friends at CNET and CNET.com. Tim, welcome, Harriott. I'm doing good. You're getting into every bit of that 5K to pay for this thing. I saw it was like two grand, right? Yeah, two grand. That's actually less expensive than we were anticipating. Well, let's talk about the technology and what it looks like before we pick it apart. Yeah, well, I'll tell you the phone is beautiful. Based on the leaks, I was pretty skeptical of the design, but actually seeing it unveiled, I got to admit, I was wrong. I mean, Apple nailed the design, which isn't a surprise. It looks really, really good. It does. It's got a very slick, futuristic,

47:52design. It's got incredible animations when you open and close it. The big question, of course, is full people buy it, $2,000. Right. I think that's going to be a very tough sell. And a dirt ability question, a bunch of other things as well. Well, I mean, there's no doubt when I think when it comes to the aesthetic, Apple hits it out of the park on like any other company, very few companies like that. I mean, I'm old enough for a member of the early days of the iPod. When we had iPods and it wasn't integrated in our phone and you'd pick this thing up and it was about the size of a cell phone and it had that chrome bat. You wanted to touch it and feel it all the time. You wanted to have it in your hand. It felt sexy, right? And they've translated the phones and everything else. And I would imagine this fits the bill. Absolutely. Yeah, we were talking before the release. You know, has Apple kind of lost some of its cool factors been a while since they've had the iPod or something like that. I don't know that this is going to be it just because of the price. But in terms of the design, I mean, it's fantastic. It's really it. I'm dying to try this. Yeah. I did see some polls though, Tim. I don't know if you guys did it or not commissioned it,

48:54but a majority of it and because it's new technologies, well, people are like, yeah, I don't really want a folding phone. How do you convert that? That type of sediment to sales. I think it's going to be a niche product. I really do. So I got to say that matches up with my own anecdotal polling when I told people over the past few months, hey, Apple's coming out with a foldable. The overwhelming reaction has been why? I think that's probably right. It's going to be a product for early adopters for people who really, really, really love technology. But, you know, Apple's done the impossible before. So we'll have to see if once it's out in the wild, in people's hands, if that starts building some momentum for it. But like I said, not going to be any of the health decline for Apple. Yeah, because I think too, it feels like there's only so many to do with the cell phone, right? And we've seen the flip phones before. I remember back in the day, had a flip phone, you had other phones. And it's just the latest incarnation of that. And then,

49:54you know, okay, we've got to sell products. And hey, if we invent a cooler look and phone, it folds up. Maybe that moves the needle a little bit. But it seems to me like the cell phone that most people have works just fine. Yeah, I will say I've been testing foldable from other companies, from Samsung, from Motorola. It is really nice having that huge display. So when you unfold it, it's basically the size of a tablet. But when you unfold it, it can actually fit in your pocket, which a lot of phones don't do any more. I will say once you actually try these foldables out, you might say, oh, I get it. Okay. I feel you feel. Yeah, I mean, if you're just sitting there, you do want to open it up, probably get a little bit more work done. I get that appeal of the foldable phone. And that's a great point too, Tim worth from seeing that is that this isn't anything new. We've have, I know Motorola has one, Samsung has one, a bunch of other companies have foldable phones that they're not, you know, certainly not like what Apple's about to do here. But, once you hear that, you go, okay, Apple is the, I guess maybe one of the biggest brands to do it,

50:56the biggest brand to do it. Now, all of a sudden, it feels like, well, maybe we're moving towards foldable phones, whether you like it or not. Yeah, I think that's a fairest that's me. Like I said, I don't know anyone who was really clamoring for this outside of the tech world where people are really into whatever the shiny new thing is. But again, it's Apple, they've done the impossible, but don't mind being late to the party. They didn't invest the first MP3 player. They came in late with the iPod. And then that was the only MP3 player. Right. Right. Right. Don't count Apple out on this one. I don't think I would. But okay. So as far as you need to, you've tested other models before Tim. So how do they work? The function that they hold up that they last are we worried about that, you know, we know how screens crack now. And that's a thick phone on a thinner phone at folds. You know, the minute you put it in your pocket, you sit down. Does it break? How's it work? So they've gotten much more durable and Apple spent a lot of time talking about just how durable the phone was going to be. Obviously, we haven't tested it out yet. But we do have some pretty

51:58intense durability tests in mind. So if you are on the fence, but maybe wait and see what the earlier reviews say regarding durability. But Apple says one of the reasons they waited longer to release this is because they wanted to make sure it wouldn't fall apart in your pocket. So I will say the foldable has been out for a while. The designs have gotten much, much better. They don't fall apart like they used to. That crease isn't super obvious in the middle of the phone. But yeah, we'll want to test this thing out pretty aggressively before rendering a final verdict. Yeah, they just released it yesterday. So it's really no one's hands yet. And I think it comes out end of October, probably October 23rd. Okay. So relative to the ones that exist right now, you said the crease and hinge feature on the Samsung's and the other phones are okay, it's noticeable, but it's not too bad. How do you think Apple's design compares to that? I think it compares really well. One thing a lot of people don't know is that Apple actually

52:58tapped Samsung to make the display. So Samsung makes the best flexible displays. So it's technically a Samsung made display on Apple. So it should be very comparable with the best foldables out there from other companies. However, Apple has one other advantage. They put a nano texture display, which basically means it's a super fancy premium anti-reflective display, which will make the crease even less visible. So yeah, when you actually look at the phone, when you look at the home screen, it just looks good. There's some videos we have online showing it on display in Apple Park. And like I said, I think Apple really nailed the design. Yeah, I think too. Maybe if you think about it to say bigger screen because what a phone essentially has taken over is a television set. Let's call it what it is. You know, certainly you can work and text and scroll social media, but it's all about video watching. It's all about streaming and that. And this is built for it. It feels like, yeah, people are already joking. Actually, the similar aspect ratio to the iMac screens.

54:04Of course, people are joking. Oh, we can watch the obviously on it, you know, just the way Chris Nolan intended for gaming, streaming for YouTube. They're all real benefits to a foldable. You just have a bigger display. You can do more. You can be watching a YouTube video and have your text messages up at the same time. So there's just more you can do with it. There's no way to use that. Little bigger screen. So Tim Worth is here. He's with our friends at CNET and CNET.com and was first to see the new Apple foldable phone. That's right. Apple is leaning into the foldable game just announced yesterday and other companies have done it. And to I don't know, maybe a little success. The pushback is most people like, yeah, I'm good. And this thing is going to cost $2,000 when it comes out on the 23rd. You get the early adopters. It drops a price. So a million questions about this and that if Apple's landing and other companies are doing it, is that what our phone is going to look like in the coming years? And why can't I just keep my old phones as every old person ever? I also heard that they got rid of Face ID and Touch ID on this, is that true?

55:04So there is Touch ID instead of Face ID. There's also an under display camera for Face Time, which is a very unique feature you won't see on other foldables. Yeah, there's some change of the usual Apple phone. One thing I'll say, this isn't a good year to actually not buy a phone at all. You know, their price is just across the board. I've gotten a little bit out of control. If you have a phone, if you like it, hold on to it. There's no reason I can't last many, many years. So I think the foldables are going to be slowly picking up theme in the years ahead. But unless you just have to have the newest possible thing, you can hold on to your phone. That's fine. Yeah, I'm that guy. I wait for other people to spend $2,000. Go the socks. And then I wait for the version that actually works. I know that's not what your job entails, but my job entails that for sure. How much of this in the cost of saying is people like two grand for a phone or your kidney. How much of that is the phone and the technology? How much

56:07is that the fact that we have this memory chip shortage is pushing up prices for all phones? Yeah, I think Apple is actually eating some of that cost. That's what the reports are saying. So like I said, $2,000 is actually less than we were expecting. I think, you know, we saw a $100 price increase on the other phones, Apple, and out. But similar to what other manufacturers and brands have done in terms of price increases. So I do think Apple is just eating some of the cost from the memory crisis. It's just because people are so tired of these price increases. But you know, more bad news on that front. All the experts I've talked to have said the memory crisis will get worse before it gets better. So unfortunately prices aren't likely to come down later this year or even next year. So yeah, unfortunately, price increases are here to stay for a while. And again, what's driving up the memory chip shortage? It's the artificial intelligence industry. They're pulling out, you know, it's a trillion dollar roll out of new data centers and AI infrastructure. And they're using all the memory and ram components

57:09that go into phones, laptops, gaming consoles. So yeah, it's just the blind man, the AI industry is talking all the memory. Yeah, well, I don't know fun about phone now because AI is going to kill us. I'm sure you saw that story. We're going to die in the next three years. So I want to drop two grand on the phone. I'm not going to use it. Yeah, I was when AI companies tell you, you know, this is going to kill us. You know, I have the marketing pitch. They're trying to sell their technology just like Apple's trying to go. Sure. Sure. Only with fear and fear is never boring as a raisin say, but it's also very, very true that it does move the needle. I noticed too, in addition, that's going, wow, we got the $2,000 phone, but they just bumped the price up on the iPhone 18 pro and pro max went up like a hundred or two dollars each. So it's not like, you know, there's, it may be a cheaper alternative. And maybe that's part of it because only what I think 2% of the market has a foldable phone or we'll have a foldable phone, Tim in this regard. And so you go, like, wow, we can throw you a $2,000 little blind you. And meanwhile, we're jacking the price up on the other phones too. Yeah, I mean, like, like I mentioned, all phones are getting more

58:11expected right now. It really is a good year, not to buy a phone. You just sit on that out there. Just sit on the buy, refresh tone. That's also a good option. So, you know, I'm tempting as these phones are for people who love technology. Yeah. If you are on the fence, you know, maybe you're just staying there. Here's a good question for you because every time I get new iPhone, I got to buy new chargers. I got a new charging cable. Have they changed that? No, so your old chargers will still work on the device. That saves some money there. It seems like every time Apple rolls on the new phone, it's like, wait, my cord doesn't work. I got to go buy new cords. No, yeah. Fortunately, fortunately, you're safe. Yeah, okay. Very good. Also, probably the big question would be, all right, bigger screen. What's the battery life situation? Yeah, we'll need to test it out properly. But Apple emphasized this phone has a massive battery. You could be because the phone is larger. You can actually fit more battery cells in it. Oh, we go into state battery life being a problem

59:12unless you're, you know, streaming the Odyssey and 4K all day long. You should be happy with the battery life. So then what about the weight? How's it compared to a typical iPhone? Yeah, it is on the heavier side, especially for a foldable. It's about 254 grams that is heavier. It's in other foldables from other brands. But the people who've been, you know, testing it out at Apple headquarters say it feels great in the hand. Very well-balanced, you know, so I don't think it'll be fatiguing your hand or anything like that. It should be, you know, comparable to what you're used to. You're also going to be using the phone with two hands a lot of the time. So, better make a difference as well. Yeah, and I think it is a standard iPhone or like a Mac, I think it's around 240 grams as it is. So it's really not that much more. Exactly. Yeah, it shouldn't be a radical departure. Yeah, you think maybe that made the future is the lighter phone because you know, when you have your phone on you, you're like, wow, you can feel it in your back pocket. Or, you know, you got to carry it in your hand and have a little pop-up bubble on the back just to hold that thing. And you think that might be after we get the experiment of foldable phones and

1:00:16the light that we start to reduce size. Are we to point now where the microchips can't get any smaller? I think you're spot on. We're actually already seeing a trend towards what they call dumb phones or light phones. For these devices, they don't have any apps whatsoever. They don't have a camera. So that is in fact, the newest trend is how do we make phones simpler, smaller, and just a little bit less addictive. Yeah, it's funny. I've got a buddy in his not even 40 yet. He has, he went that way. He's like, listen, I don't need social media. I don't need TikTok and an Insta. I don't need Facebook. What I need is a bill to make phone calls and text people and get email. That's all I need, which is cool. Yeah. And you can get your phones there also a lot cheaper. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A battery life and everything else as well. So yeah. And if you did it with that, too, my wife would absolutely kill herself because she spends more time playing Candy Crush and TikTok spend time on TikTok like she's 14 years old. It's incredible. Yeah. I think we all will be speaking for myself. I also spend a little too much time on on TikTok.

1:01:18So it's something I'm trying to be better at. All right. Final point here too. This is the first, yeah, the app. What do you call the Apple convention where they rolled out their product line? First product of then, I guess since Tim Cook stepped down for the new CEO. That's right. So the new CEO, John Turner, if this was his chance to take center stage, you know, everyone is wondering what he's going to do differently, right? So John Turner is a hardware guy. He's designed, you know, he's in the engineering department. A lot of us are hoping he'll take a more like he jobs like approach to, you know, his vision for the company. So that that yesterday was definitely really interesting. There wasn't a huge departure from the like, Tim Cook did things, but remember, it takes years to design these products. So I think it'll be a while before we really see what he's going to do differently at Apple. But then there's a high bar. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It'll be interesting to see what he does. All right. Well, rolling out foldable phones is definitely a good first statement. Tim worth over at the scene at his tech,

1:02:19a tech expert there at CNET.com or go to tech source here on the scouts phone show. All the best Tim. Thanks for jumping on. You're welcome. I don't know if honestly like watching, looking at the foldable phone. I mean, if you spend a lot of your time watching video, I suppose, which is some of us face it for a lot of people that's mainly the phone. It's entertainment. Some of communication, but largely social media and streaming video, you get a little bit bigger screen, you know, when you watch that person walking their dog watching the Bengals game on their phone, maybe that's the phone you want to walk your dog with and watch, I guess, but I just, I don't know how big this thing's going to catch on. But Apple's leaning into it for sure as other companies have and Apple always comes in like, like he said, last minute going, okay, now we've learned from everybody else. Now we're going to do it our way and usually turns up be pretty cool. But I don't know man, two grand for a phone. I'm out. How about you? Two grand. Let me sweat in all the time about that thing made of my pocket. I'd have to have a, I have to be the typical old man. I would definitely for two grand. If I had a two thousand other phone, I would definitely jump to the dark side and become officially old and get the cell phone

1:03:23holster. You know, you're old when you got the cell phone holster. You got the, you know, the wide brimmed crocodile then the hat and then on your right hip, you've got the holster. Got to have the holster for this thing. It should automatically ship with the holster. Like a cowboy gunslinger whipping that phone out. So we need nowhere near old when you got the holster. It's your time, baby. Scottsloan show 700 WLW. Here we go. Thursday morning Scottsloan 700 WLWS talk of health, fitness and food. And that's where Sanjay Shabur Kamati comes in. He is a resident physician. He's a doctor and you can find at Dinewell doc on social, not only health, but also food and fitness and also at revive strength and Oakley. And this time of year, people are like, okay, I'll flip all started, which means a lot more bad food and you know, summer's kind of winding down and you know, I can hide the body fat with a big hoodie. So that's really good. We don't take one of the things you want to talk about today

1:04:24is a new study coming up. But it has to do with sweeteners and sugars and things like that. And we know that sugar is not good for you. But we all enjoy some sweet stuff every once a while. If it's a steady thing, it's a problem. But we also worry more about artificial sweeteners because there's so many different products out there now and what's good, what's bad and the study kind of talks about that. Yeah. And you know, this is a study that it's the whole study has not been published yet. So these results were released in kind of a poster form at a convention. And so we're waiting for the full details of the study. But what what it was, it was basically focusing on one of the sweeteners that you've probably seen, which is xylitol, which is classified as a sugar alcohol. We can talk about more. It's if you've heard about it, or Rithritol, that's in the same category. But specifically they studied xylitol in this one. And what they were looking at was any major adverse cardiac effects, that is, or sorry, events that it would be like a heart attack, a stroke. And what they found was patients that had higher blood levels of xylitol had a 57%

1:05:30increase risk of a major adverse cardiac event. And so, you know, if your risk was 10% of having one of those in six, in the study was six years long. So if it was 10% in the low manate or low xylitol group, those with higher levels in their blood would have about a 16% likelihood of having an event. So you go from one to 10 and one in six chance of having an event. Oh wow. Okay. So that's significant. It is significant. Yeah. And it's concerning. There's been other studies. There was another one that did something similar, but watched it over 30 years. And those with higher xylitol levels in their blood had a 18% increase. So not as high as this other study in six years, which was 57%, but either way, there seems to be a link between blood levels of xylitol and the risk of having a cardiac event or even a stroke. Okay, that means you got to read a label though. A reethra tall. I said, I said a reethra tall. Reethra tall, sorbitol, screw it all all those things. If there's an all on it, and that's that is

1:06:34TOL. Essentially the same chemical compound. I mean, there I was slight in the different, but same. Right. So the TOL would suggest that it's a sugar alcohol. Okay. And there's either sugars or alcohols, but they resemble both kind of molecules. So they are sweeteners. And the reason they think this happens, they actually studied it in a study where they took blood and put xylitol in it. And what they found was the platelets. Those are the things that help you clot. That's what aspirin works against. Okay. The platelets were actually more active. So what it is thought is is the sugar alcohol, specifically xylitol in the study, increases the amount of clot formation by these platelets. It makes them more active. And that is the thought. If you have more clot in your body, you can have more heart attacks and strokes. And they think that's what the link is. Now this study again was just one blood test. And then they followed these people for a long time. It wasn't a randomized control trial. It wasn't the gold standard, but it is observational.

1:07:38So the other thing to also keep in mind, and this is the big asterisk is we make xylitol in the rithroid tall in our body. So we make some sugar alcohols. And so you know, the question is, were these patients blood levels high because of what they were taking in? Or did their body actually create the xylitol? Now, the xylitol is, it does exist in the body, but at very low levels. Okay. If you're having one of these things that is as low to the xylitol that you get off the shelf, that's going to spike your xylitol levels. Okay. So we're talking a lot more than the lousy perdigeum. And more than the natural state. So most likely, this is coming from exogenous or outside the body. But there is, you know, there are some asterisk and that full study hasn't been published yet. So you're saying it's clearly sugar. Real sugar is better. Is that what you're saying? Just have sugar. This is a loaded one, right? So it all depends. Say, you know, if you're, if you have a risk of heart disease, you know, if you have diabetes, if you have high, high risk of having a cardiac event, I would say, be careful with xylitol. Now,

1:08:42xylitol really got introduced into into our diets mainly in toothpaste and gum. So if you have, you know, gum that has xylitol in it, I wouldn't be too worried. That's about a gram in there. And what they're, what they're finding is with doses of about 30 grams. So you'd have to 36 a gum. That's when you really have the clinical effects. But so don't worry about the gum so much. Don't worry about the toothpaste so much. But other things that might be sweetened with xylitol, or with retall, or any of the tals, be careful with those, especially if you have diabetes. Now, the general thing is sugar. And we know that sugar, you know, is harmful as well. So, you know, it's hard to say what's better. There's stuff that's better for anyone else. The obvious truth is, no sugar. None of these are our best. So, you know, if you're going to drink something, drink water. But of course, I'm drinking an energy drink while we talk. So, do as I say, I try to drink water. Yeah, here we go. This one has sucralose in it. Okay. So, so all the tals are sucralose. And

1:09:45there's a thousand different sweeteners out there. How do you sort out the good ones from the bad ones? Yeah. So we can, we can break down the sugars or the sweeteners into three types. We talked about the sugar alcohols. That's the Rithroid Tals, Isolated Tals, all the tals. Then you have your artificial sweeteners. That's your saccharin. That's your sucralose. That's your aspartame. And then you have the third ones, which are the plant derived ones. And that is your stevia, your monk fruit, and your alulose. And if you're going to talk about it, I would say that last group. Again, stevia, monk fruit alulose are the sweeteners you want to look for that are probably most healthy for us. Yeah. I like, I don't drink a lot of pop when I do. Or maybe a couple I like the stevia pop. It's a little more expensive, but I know there's not bad stuff in it. I don't eat that at my age. And it tastes really good. It's not that fake. I've tried like the poppy, which has the, I don't know, what is that? I forget what they put in poppy. The micronutrients, the gut bacteria, it tastes weird to me. Yeah. So I do like the stevia based poppy. However, I'm like, okay, well, I know it's natural. It's good. We have, we didn't study on that because

1:10:50I'm I killing myself. So there have been studies, but they've been limited. And so we're, we're going to wait for the long term data, but in the short term data that we have, so studied for months, as opposed to years that that this is all studied was, it looks in short term studies that they are not harmful. And you know, there could be even beneficial like alulose, for example, which seems to blunt. That means, you know, if you eat something and your blood sugar goes up, alulose might actually prevent that glucose from going up high. So it actually may be even more beneficial. So those are the things I'm looking for now. And I'm looking for, you know, what kind of sweetener is in this monk fruit stevia alulose. So you say, okay, faceless right now that could change next week. You can come and don't eat that. That's exactly good. A big asterisk on everything. But for now, those look like the best. But the most common ones, of course, when it comes to sweet, there's no calorie sweeteners are going to be the spartane, circulos, saccharine, those kind of chemical. So let's start with that. I remember when I was a kid, saccharine caused cancer. Now,

1:11:50all of a sudden, it doesn't cause can what happened there. So there was a link with saccharine with aspartame. I think aspartame was most recently in the news as far as causing cancer. In fact, it's got a label on it. It's a category two of possibility that it causes cancer. Now, that is the same cancer risk that is on the label of aloe vera. So, you know, you can, you can think about that for a second. So it's just a warning of we don't know, but it might be that being said, you know, if to get to the levels that they studied to see, is this toxic, you would have to have about 14 cans of Diet Coke a day. So that's for aspartame. So, you know, having a can a day does not seem like it would be very harmful. But again, having less sugar or going to one of those three quote healthier ones would probably 14 you know, Trump may be close. He seems to drink a lot. I know like somebody who always talks about the size. He seems like he's always cousin of the Diet Coke.

1:12:51Yeah, a lot of that stuff is, although I mean, it's a trade off. Any of the others that, what was that? Super size me if you saw that documentary where a guy literally drank himself blind by drinking regular Coca-Cola. And I think he had like five, no, it was one five. Maybe it was like two or three, three liters a day. Yeah. And he woke up one day and it was blocked. No part of that sounds great to me. It came. That sounds amazing. I drink myself blind on pop. That's that's the most a merit. That's American AF, right? That a rapid ice casket and a flag. Now flag the sides outside of a, I don't know, an RV dealer or some sort of bucky. Exactly. That would have to be a big flag. Sanjay Sherev Kramani and our ER doctor and resident food fitness guide, you study out about sweeteners and just chopping up artificial sweeteners and that and because we concerned, it's like, well, should I have, can I have, if you're drinking a lot of the stuff, that's a problem, but it's like anything, you know, your diet exists of 80% hot dogs. It's probably not good for you either. Exactly. Some of them seem a little bit, there's really, are there chemical differences between

1:13:52these things really like, you know, okay, I self, I think saccharin is bad and the saccharin has a weird taste to it, but I do ask spartane versus circulos. Like is there, does my body really tell the difference there? Possibly because the molecular structures are so close between them within each category. Again, of the artificial sweeteners, the sugar alcohols, they're similar, a little bit different, but some people will react differently from one to the other. And so, you know, while one might have effects on the gut and that's another concern is the gut microbiome, which is still being studied, but also just bloating in general, these things stay within your gut. A lot of them don't get absorbed. So you have a bunch of stuff in your gut. And so from chemistry class, you know, osmosis happens where you get a lot of water and other stuff that enters the gut as a result. And that can cause a bloating feeling and a lot of, you know, a lot of discomfort. But that's usually if you're going to have a lot more. So like having a can of this stuff typically won't affect you, but you can imagine what's going on in a small scale. And so, you know, I tried to limit

1:14:58this stuff personally. Again, I drink an energy drink probably once a week and that's when I come in here. I thought you drink it all the time. It's always got one in your hand. It just went to run into the IV actually. Really? I got you. The one thing we never got is corn syrup. Yeah. What does that fit in us? So corn syrup, just like the word about artificial sweeteners was, artificial sweeteners caused cancer. Corn syrup really got a bad name several years ago. And at the end of the day, it's high fructose corn syrup. So if you think about just table sugar or regular sugar, you're dealing with a 50-50 mix of fructose and glucose. This is 55 and 45 in high fructose. So, you know, it's almost the exact same makeup. And why does fructose get such a bad name unclear? In fact, it doesn't spike the sugar as much, but it does affect the liver. And so there's thoughts that it can cause some fatty liver disease. Okay. Those can. But it's very similar. And,

1:16:00you know, it gets a bad name for a couple of reasons. One, you know, it's used so much in America because there's a subsidy on corn. Correct. And so it's cheap. And so, you know, companies are going to use it. Why does, you know, why does Mexican Coke actually have cane sugar in it? All of this is. They don't have a subsidy. So the cane sugar is cheaper. And so they're both, you know, high fructose corn syrup and cane sugar. You're dealing with almost the same thing. It's really what you have to think about is how many calories am I getting with each of these? And it's pretty similar. And both of them have obviously very high caloric content. But they can also, you know, they can also affect your gut as well. And so a lot of stuff. But really what you're thinking about is how much am I spiking my blood sugar and how many calories am I consuming with these? And no matter what, you know, high fructose corn syrup cane sugar, they're going to do similar things to your blood sugar. Yeah. Yeah. And that brings us to the question of, well, how about those healthy sugars like agave syrup and honey? And what if I use those instead? And at the end of the day,

1:17:03they're all just sugar. It's just sugar. You could think about your extra stuff like the polyphenols and the healthy stuff that you get with the honey and everything. Yes, if, you know, if you're going to compare sugar to honey, sure, maybe the honey would be better, but they both have bring a lot of the end of the day. It's still still sugar. He's a Sanjay Shabur Kamani resident physician here on the show also health fitness and food. I will point out to at dine well doc on social and you can find him living and breathing at revives strength and Oakley when he's not working on people in the ED and spending his Thursday mornings here with us. Thanks again, brother. Appreciate it. You still look with the energy drink slone here on the home of the red seven, like it or not, the home of the red 700 W when I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up, don't say anything. Every week I'm with survivors who live through

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1:23:25your 20s on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. When President Bush and his team, as close as team, was in the White House emergency operation center beneath the White House on September 11th. And has a unique plan here. If you look back to, if you remember back then, a number of us do and you go, wow, we were really unified in the days following 9-11, not so much today. How do you get that feeling back? John Bridglin is the first director of USA Freedom Core and Bush White House domestic policy council director during 9-11. John, welcome to the show. Scott, great to be with you. I know you're a Cincinnati guy. How did you go from Cincinnati, Ohio to the White House? And more importantly, where did you go to school?

1:24:31So interestingly, Scott, I was when Governor Bush was on the campaign running for president. I got a call from the campaign asking if I would organize and moderate an event in Cincinnati to focus on his compassionate conservative initiative, which I did. And after the event, he asked if I would serve on his presidential campaign, which I would so pleased to do. Yeah, but I grew up in Cincinnati in Tariff Park and then went to Indiana High School and one of the greatest communities to be a part of. Most of my family remains there. Oh, it's awesome to have you back. Everyone, everyone good is connected to Cincinnati in some way, shape, or form. Long road from Indian hill to the White House, however, but for those of us, and of course, this is true about history, right? The longer it goes on, the fewer people remember or live the moment. And you say that about every seminal event in American history. 9-11 is not part of that at 25 years past. And John, they call you bridge, John Bridglin, you're the director of

1:25:36the White House domestic policy council 9-11. And you think, okay, well, that's, you know, that's a, you actually handed the emergency declaration to the president. When you're given that document for the president to sign to declare this a national emergency, arguably the largest national emergency in our time, what was running through your mind? Well, interestingly, I, you know, first we were evacuated from our Wesleyan offices in the White House by Secret Service because of reports of an incoming plane that we'd later learn was taken down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania by, you know, these heroes like Scott Beamer on Flight 93, who likely saved our lives. You know, and later learned there were so many heroes on those other planes trying to keep the American people safe when they knew they were going to their deaths. So 9-11 prompts up a lot of memory of those victims and their families, which we got to know really well. But I was summoned to the president's emergency operation center below the White House and watched our secretary of transportation, you know, counting the grounding of every plane in the United States. And I turned to Josh Bolt,

1:26:40and I said, I wonder if the protocols that the federal emergency management agency are up to a, to a terrorist attack. So I've sent over to FEMA, learned about the response, the New York and the Pentagon, and then carried this emergency declaration back to the White House to the president to sign, later that night, authorizing Agent New York and the Pentagon. And it was quite a moment, but that night I went back to my West Wing office, and I saw literally hundreds of emails from leaders across political parties, you know, colleagues who I knew well, but also total strangers offering the help. And I could see already, you know, sort of the light coming out of the darkness that we were all Americans first, and people wanted to help. I recall that as well, because I was in Northwest Ohio at the time when this all happened. And looking back at which actually started my, early days, my talk creator career, but looking back at I remember those days, not night 12, night third, you know, as we started to get back to business and it took a long time, obviously,

1:27:43and we were looking at the sky. There's no planes there for days and days and days. And just how kind everyone is to one of the, yeah, I recall vividly seeing someone who had a flat tire and at least two or three people had stopped simply to offer them help. You just, you don't see that anymore. You know, and it just felt like, hey, we're looking at even like the, you know, gassed it wherever you're just hanging out like people were much, much kinder as I recall. And maybe history is it softens the edges a little bit, but I vividly recall just like everyone was, we felt like we're all in together. There was no Republican Democrat, gay, straight, male, female, black, white. It felt like we're unified. And I remember Congress standing on the halls, or standing on the steps and singing out, bless America. That was it. That was, it felt genuine, not, not contrived. Yes. In fact, you know, the White House operator who we loved, she could get anybody in the world on the phone in about a minute connected me to a couple from Seattle, Washington, who were restaurant owners who had put their restaurant supplies in a van and

1:28:46literally were driving three thousand miles from Seattle, Washington to Brown zero in New York City. And, and, you know, talking to these, this couple was just such a moving experience for me. And it reminded me that there were emblematics that, you know, people were initially running away from tragedy, including us being evacuated from the White House. But very soon after, as you just said, Scott, you know, people began running towards each other to help. And, you know, to help neighbor and nation and strangers became neighbors and kind of courage out ran contempt. And I remember going outside even on the road and, you know, people would let you in. Yeah, right. Go ahead. Simple. And then, you know, Democrat majority leader Tom Dashel, a hugged president Bush, you know, on the house floor before his joint session address, which, you know, just, would you see that today? I'm not sure. But it was, there was a sort of national unity that was so in-living. And we have to ensure, you know, it doesn't just happen in the aftermath of tragedy.

1:29:51We see it in communities every day, you know, in times of peace. Right. And we're always trying to get that feeling back. But I contend, you know, we talk about dangers all around us. And, you know, we've got parents that are worried about their kids and they're putting apple tags on their heads and, you know, worried about what's in our food and our and we, because we live in such times where danger is so far away. I mean, it wasn't that many generations ago and the, you know, the youth of this country still 250 years old, where literally there was a wolf at the door. You had to worry about, you know, Native Americans, you had to worry about the worrying factions, disease, pestilence, animal, all that stuff. And today, even though, you know, we hear about violent crime and things like that and campaigns love to scare people, it's still the safest time in world history to be alive, to be an American. And so we go at each other, we've got to invent someone to hate. We didn't need it then because we actually had a real enemy. That's why we came together. Exactly. And, you know, it's, it's a reminder too that,

1:30:52you know, our leaders, from mayors, governors, all the way up to the president, people in Congress, need to call upon the American people. You know, we live in a democracy and citizen not president, not governor, not senator, not congressman or congresswoman. It's the highest office in the land. And the historian, Doris Kern's goodman reminded us that all transformational change across US history has been first catalyzed by private citizens without public office or appointments who cared about a cause, a place of people, an affected change. And interestingly, president and other leaders who called the American people to action in the spirit of national unity are remembered for. Think about it, Franklin Roosevelt and great suppression, John Kennedy with F. Knot. Ronald Reagan, who called the spirit of volunteer service a deep and mighty river flowing through the history of our nation. All the way to president Bush, who said after 9-11, we looked in the mirror and we saw our better self. And building on the millions of acts of kindness

1:31:57and goodness and decency, he asked me to create a national service and volunteering initiative that remains the largest in US history then in sense. And USA Freedom Corps, he is John Bridgeline, the director of that agency here 25 years after 9-11 was founded to keep that feeling to get that feel of unity back and it feels like you're losing the war in these days, especially now as we head towards midterms and all the finger pointing it back and forth nature and just the uncertainty of our futures here. So how do we, you know, that's the mission. You channeled national grief in actual service and volunteering 25 years later though. How does that unity compared to where we are now? It feels entirely different. Well, I say that the first lesson is with a focus effort bringing people together across politics and sector and different. The country can achieve extraordinary things. You know, there wasn't another terrorist attack on the United States. It

1:32:58wasn't until I think the Boston Marathon bombing, you know, which was an attack from within. So that was an extraordinary, but we also know from, you know, all sorts of issues where leaders and Americans are crossing divide, you know, the infrastructure bill. I know Senator Rob Portman played a leading role in other efforts to tackle the high school drop-up problem all the way to, you know, saving 14 million dollars from Malaria in Africa. All those things took bipartisan leadership. And I would say, you know, the terrorists wanted fear to define our future and instead, you know, courage became contagious, compassion out ran hatred, service overwhelmed, you know, our despair, strangers became neighbors. And talking like the most fitting memorial to those we lost, you know, of course, should be ceremonies. But I think more so would be a renewal of the character and courage that those Americans on those planes like Todd Beamer who in a great act of democracy

1:34:04assembled all those people on that plane. And they vote to take down that plane to save more Americans like me who was in the White House. We need to focus on renewing that culture and demanding of our leaders. And I see it in Governor Mike DeWine, you know, he we're working with an entrepreneurship issue and other issues where he's crossing divide to try to pull people together in the public interest. We need more of that spirit than the divisiveness. Yeah. John, you need something now called more perfect, which is a it's a bipartisan alliance of all 44 presidential centers. How does that time? What's it? Is there a difference? Yeah, so interesting. So the 44 nature, they're 44 existing presidential centers from George Washington's Mount Vernon, Thomas Jefferson's Monticello, Ronald Reagan, a presidential center, all the way through the Obama Foundation. They've never collaborated before. And so we pulled them

1:35:07together in the historic alliance together with over a 100 organizations to advance five foundational democracy goals and create initiatives for the 250th of America's celebration of its birth. And also to pull people together across politics and background and sectors to hack and solve tough public problems. And it's been an amazing initiative. Almost a billion dollars have been raised to these frontline organizations are working together. And just yesterday, we announced the creation of the centers of the American presidency to work to get the spirit of national unity, which has always been sort of the fitting of our startup nation, you know, the invested power in people. And that's the spirit we need to resurrect. Boy, it certainly is. But that's, I mean, it sounds good. I think everyone listening is nodding their head, but how do you actually make that happen? Because as I said, this is all driven by a common enemy. And right now, the common enemy is, I don't know, we come up with picky-y-y-y little thing, you know, from racism all the way on up,

1:36:10we're political divided all the time. How do we quiet that noise down? So it's interesting. We did a survey of the American community. There's power in listening. And we have, how do you self-identify? First was family. Second was being an American. Third was faith. Fourth was the work they did. Fifth was community. Dead last was political affiliation. And yet the national news, you know, fairly reporting on what's going on. It would have you indicate that political affiliation is all that matters. And it does come down to responsible leadership. Our leaders, of course, they're going to be ideological differences. Of course, they're going to have different views of policies. But they need to do more, not to rip us apart by race, ethnicity, politics, whatever it may be. And remind the American people just like his story in Doris,

1:37:10Kern's Goodwin, when she was with us launching more perfect set all transformational change across US history has first been catalyzed by private citizens without public appointment, who cared about a cause, the place, there are people and brought about significant change in our country. And that's the story of our history. And we have to remind the American people that they have agency and demand from our leaders that they stand down from the political division and warfare and start focusing on public problem solving public services, supposed to be a solving problem, not just to quest for power. That's right, Jonathan, it seems like right now we're creating more problems than we're solving. Exactly. We're going the other way. Yeah, I know. And it's a failure of leadership, frankly. And through elections and people demanding that leaders go in a better direction. We've had extraordinary leaders from George Washington,

1:38:15George W. Bush just wrote an essay for our In Pursuit Initiative. And the lesson was for leaders' humility is the ultimate strength. Barack Obama just wrote on Abraham Lincoln. It is only through our union that we accomplish extraordinary things. Bill Clinton wrote on Teddy Roosevelt. You know, it's a more perfect union fosters a greater sense of we. Abraham Lincoln, some, you know, the better angels of our nature. Ronald Reagan talked about the city on a hill. John Kennedy said, ask not. You know, what their country can do for you, but what you can do for your country, those are the leaders across our history that have ignited a spirit in the country that has brought people together in a spirit that, and what's interesting is Americans long for that. William F. Buckley, the conservative who wrote a book on gratitude on national service, came into see me and he said, bridge materialistic democracy beckons everyone to be a king,

1:39:16but Republican citizenship, which is the United States, incites everyone to be a knight. And at some level, we want to get out of our ordinary laws to do extraordinary things. We need leaders who will summon that spirit in our. I don't see a leader emerging though. Maybe, and I have full faith in the next generation. I really do because of the state we're in right now, and maybe enough people who, that 80% of us who are just tired of the nonsense, take things back. He is John Bridgland. He's the first director of the USA Freedom Corps and Bush White House domestic policy director. The guy actually handed the emergency declaration to President Bush inside the emergency operations center 25 years ago on September 11th. And now the founder and CEO of more perfect, which is a bipartisan alliance of all 44 presidential centers all the way from Mount Vernon to the Obama Foundation, just open in Chicago, plus the National Archives, and they're trying to restore and the goals of democracy on this 250th anniversary of the declaration

1:40:18independent. So John, all the best. Good sense and adi guy there from Indian Hill. Appreciate the time. Brother be well. Got you too. Thanks so much. All right. God bless America as the patriots would say. That's true though. It's, you know, every time we have a national crisis from and not a manufactured, I mean, a real like 9 11 COVID, at least for a minute. I kind of brought us together. And then we just, we turned on that really quickly. When the wolf was at the door, we come together. That's the nature of it too. And that, and when that doesn't happen, and the longer it goes between instance and like that, we tend to turn more on each other because you need an enemy. You know, it's a sunrise sunset, yin yang, all that stuff. That's how it works. So I know, I'm really confident that someone will rise up in the near future, certainly within the rest of our lifetimes here to go, Hey, listen, now we're going to bring things back to where it needs to be fully confident. And because it's we the people, not them clowns inside the beltway, Scotts, lone show 700 WLW. She's the princess of property, the queen of closings, the touches of deals. It's a realistic time with

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1:42:27That's a sideways. What's up? Oh, no. What's up? What's up? What's up? You say that? What do you shoot? What's up? Here's the thing. Yeah, what's the country girl? Exactly. So yeah, we got to go over there and maybe we'll record that. I'll be down before I have a contest. I'll be great. That'll be good. That'll be good. All right. What are we fighting about today? Let's get it out of the way. What do you got going on today? Oh my god. I've got a busy day today. I'm excited. I got a closing. I'm getting my hair looked at. Paces. I'm in on a topic. I'm at topic wise. What is always going on today? I thought we're going to talk about something. Well, I got a, got a hair appointment and yeah, that's what we brought you on to talk about your. Did you just have your hair done by the way? No, it's been well over a month. No, it has not. I swear to God. Last week you went and get a tune up or whatever. Just put it on the left and rotate your follicles or whatever they do. No, it's gone. I haven't. I haven't. I'm ready for a change. I'm doing a change. I'm doing a big old.

1:43:35It's more than an oil change. Really? She's going to get her tires for a day. What do you do? Oh, so no, the Brazilian blowouts done. We're not spending $3,000 on that anymore. Well, it probably won't be a cheaper appointment when it does happen. It's never cheap. But the, you know, I'm getting old. You know, I just have to say it. And so the, the gray hairs are coming in. Yeah. And you just can't fight Mother Nature. No, you can. So I can't spend as much money you have. Well, yeah, true. I'm going to embrace it. And we're going to see what this process looks like. Wait, does that mean that you're just going to let your hair go gray? You're just going to let it grow out? I might. Wow. That's a big step. Okay. It is a bold. Yeah, because if you just let your hair grow out, it could just grow gray and not color it, do all that stuff. It wouldn't cost any money. Right. Yeah, we can. We can't have that. It'd be free. Yeah. If you just let your hair go naturally, whatever color it isn't go gray,

1:44:40which I don't even know what you're calling natural colors. You're like, go gray. That doesn't cost anything. And that's that's that's that's that's that's that's incredible. That is not going to know. No, no, no. I can't. It's going to be a gradual process. Sure. But it's going to look so natural. Even though it's even though it's colored. Well, I don't know. So we might have to remove mold color to put the new color in and then we're going to have. Oh, yeah. I just think never I just don't know. Is any woman ever born with a hair color and they go, wow, I really like my natural color. No woman has ever said that. I don't think you find me. If you're a blonde, you want to be brunette. If you're a brunette, you want to be a red head. If you're red, if you want to be blonde, it's it's crazy. It is. It's something. It's something I'm trying to get off this train of going in every six weeks, but at least for the next the people future, I'm going to be calling it. Well, I sure as hell hope Trump sends me that $5,000.

1:45:45That's well, just give it a right right to I don't know what you would have made believe in or whatever the hell that crap is. I have no idea. Anyway, let's move on and talk real estate here. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. That's why I'm here. I forgot. I've seen a lot of in your driving around, of course, of my stuff is a lot of price-reduced signs pop it up all over Cincinnati. I have now recall seeing those in years. It's actually, yes, the sign of the times and the times are not it's not 2022 anymore. 21% of Cincinnati area listings had price reductions in August and a lot of listings are actually a lot of sellers are kind of thinking, okay, the buyers are out there right now. I think I'm going to have to take my house off the market and let's see what 2027 looks like, but you know, it's interesting because it is all about pricing and it's all about what's happening in the world and right now we know in the world,

1:46:49gas prices are high, mortgage rates are high, food is high, everything is high. So affordability in housing is a real issue and it's one that a lot of buyers struggle with. So sellers who maybe don't listen to their real estate agent and they want to list their house for the same price that their neighbors got a few years ago, they may be sitting on that home and it may be you may have to price reduce, price reduce, price reduce, lower than you want to go. And so, you know, that's what we're seeing. We're just seeing a shift in the market and reality is prices are coming down. Now, overall, I think they're up about 1% year over year. Not it's really negligible, right? So, I would definitely say you have to look at the condition of your home. A few years ago, your house would sell whether or not you had left garbage in the sink and you had blue carpet.

1:47:54But today, that's not happening. People are very choosy in spending. So, buyers are going to be more critical of your home. We are now seeing people once again, you know, doing inspections and being tough on the sellers during inspections. So, you know, the big thing is if you are selling your home, you're not going to automatically get 15 offers. And especially this time of year, this time of year things naturally slow down. So, that's another reason why, you know, you really need to price, pricing is so important. Pricing and condition are so very important. And the first two weeks matter the most because if your house sits for a month or more, most buyers, even though there's nothing wrong with that house, most buyers are going to say why isn't it sold? What's wrong with it? Old, maybe I can get a deal. Let's put in a low-ball offer, see if they're desperate yet.

1:48:55You know, the desperation and the thoughts of that desperation are going to creep in. And that is really, I mean, it's scary for sellers. It's also for real estate agents because you think we're not doing our job. But the buyers are starting to get to be in control. And it's been a seller's market for a long time. And now we are twisting to more of a buyer's market. You said what 20% of listings had a price cut last month? That is, I don't know, is that a red flag? Or is it just regular market correction? I think it's regular market correction. You know, there are other areas of the country that are seeing even worse conditions. You know, we are not going to say that the housing market is going to crash. That's not happening. We still have, we have more buyers than sellers. The problem is it's the affordability. And that's different.

1:49:56So affordable homes are not out there right now. Now, you know, like I said last week, we talked about home arama. Those homes were one and a half million to four million dollars. Okay, that's not for everybody. So, you know, in the in the price range and I was just talking to somebody yesterday and they said, it's really sad when the first home that you buy is likely to be $350 to $400,000. I mean, you know, you're thinking back in the day and this sort of age is us a little bit when your first home you could get for $100,000 or $150,000. And now it's twice that. Yeah, but our parents had bought a house for $15,000 and their parents would have bought it for for $5,000. Sure. And then their grandparents would have bought it for $2,000 and then they would have lived in a tent or log cabin before that's a what? So what? So what's your point? That's well, the price always goes up because of inflation. So what is?

1:51:01So what are you saying? Saying, you know, what I was here, you know, what are you going to start bitching about the fact that gas was a. I'm not bitching. I'm not bitching. I'm just saying. Gas was a nick at it when you were a kid. Of course it was. No, yeah, we're seeing it certainly has outpaced inflation. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, and it does make it so oftentimes sellers, if you list too high, you are chasing the right price. So you're having to come down and your agent, if nothing else is happening, if you're getting no activity and that is painful when your house is clean and you're just waiting for the phone to ring. It is an awful, awful feeling. And so, you know, if the house is clean and your pictures are great and your agent is doing everything they can in marketing and you're still not getting showing, really it's all about price. And so lowering your price, you don't want to hear that when your agent comes to you and says, okay, I think we need to reduce it another $5,000. And they're like, how low do we have to go? And,

1:52:09you know, honestly, that's a tell you hit a number that somebody says, yes, that's how it works, you know, that's right. The market sets the price on that. Do you see a case where agents come in, they just, they tell the buyer what they want to hear and go, oh, yeah, your house, even though it's worth, I don't know, $300,000. Yeah, it's worth a million. And you listen to men. There's no action. And you cut it. I mean, in the long run, you're, you know, you're setting yourself on the fill. Yeah, well, and that's the one thing. There are agents out there who will buy your business. And sweet talk you and tell you what you want to hear. Unfortunately, you know, that's not how I run my business. I'm going to tell you what I think is true. And whether or not, you know, you may not like it. You may think, you know, I told you, your house is worth $10,000 or $20,000 less than another agent. That's why you do want to get more than one opinion. And I'm going to sort of pick to my guns. Now, I will always say, if your decision, Mr. Mrs. Sellers, it's your decision. It's, but here's the thing. If you price it at the price,

1:53:14and let's say it's $20,000 higher than I recommend, then, and it's said, I'm not going to say, I told you so, but I told you so. I mean, it's, it's tough. It's tough because everybody's one. Everyone on this time expects it because you think your house is the best one in the neighborhood, regardless. I'm very few people go, yeah, it's trash. I don't care. It's fine. And you know, if you have, if you have, if you have a price, you have a price rate and you still have to make some cuts to it as well, which of course is going to increase your gray hair. I think you have a solution for that. We'll talk about this when I get home. No, we probably won't have it all done by then. Those days are long since past. I do my thing. You do yours. And then I'm going to say, didn't you know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't you see? Well, when I get the alert on my phone from from Visa that says the hair salon did it at $35,000. Oh, she missed a God or hair done. That's it. Did you notice? Yeah, I sure did. All right. Love you. Gotta go.

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