9-11-26 Scott Sloan Show

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3:10a timeline produced 24 years ago by my good friend in a former classmate at Bulling Green. Scott Stanley is since retired, but you know, 25 years later, you start to watch some of this coverage as I'm watching them read the names at Ground Zero in New York City, and we do that every year, but this year it's interesting to watch those people read names of people they don't know, largely because some of the moms and dads are now grandmas and grandpas, and you have the kids that are now adults, like for example Pete Davidson, the comic whose lost his dad and 9-11, it really is something. And as we get older, of course, we lose more and more touch with that, just this it's the nature of it. There's something called, I think it's interesting, Memorial Blue, there's a display, there's a piece of art, with about 3,000 watercolors squares, each one a slightly different shade of blue if you can believe that, because the, and you know, generally I'm not the big art guy, but this one hit me because

4:13the idea behind Memorial Blue was that that day, that September day 25 years ago, it was the most brilliant blue sky you've ever seen, and I think you could have such a speakable whore unfold on such a beautiful day, isn't direct contrast of two things, and so a lot of tributes and a lot have been made about, there's something called Remember the Sky, that campaign that they're doing at the 9-11 Memorial today, but you'll hear Memorial Blue, and that's what it's about, it's about the blueness of the sky that day 25 years ago when our lives change her measurably. And I think, you know, some of the things that you may have forgotten or have been overshadowed was just, and to me, this was just America at its finest. Of course, the response days later, well that literally within minutes, but also in the coming, it took, by the way, it took 99 days for the fires to be completely extinguished, but it's smoldered and burned for 99 days. And the cleanup took over 3 million work hours to get all that

5:14to breathe out of there. I didn't get that done until May of 2002, but considering how much stuff was there and how big these buildings are and just everything inside them, the fact that we even got that done in what a year and a half is incredible to me. And I think the most amazing accomplishment was among all those things, just how quickly we were able to get all of these thousands of planes out of the national airspace, because then we didn't know what was happening. The guy who was the FAA operations manager, it was his first day on the job. Ben Slyney, I think, his name was, and he had just started that morning. And it was his call to ground every aircraft over the United States 4200 airplanes on his first literally when the first few minutes of him taking command that he'd never done that before. So as you heard at 846, the first plane struck at 903 a.m. right after right after the second tower's head, he issued an order is the first time in

6:20American history, we ordered a national coast to coast ground stop, meaning no civilian departures anywhere in the country. And then 20 minutes after flight 77 hit the Pentagon, they ordered every FAA facility to instruct every aircraft in the sky to land at the nearest airport. Doesn't matter the nearest airport, which meant a lot of planes, you know, 4,500 aircraft over the US had to land anywhere there was a field that was able to provide enough runway to land the thing. And that meant planes in Canada and elsewhere. And they shut them down one place at a time. It was about one a second that went down, took about two and a half hours to get all of those planes out of the sky. And I mentioned Canada was Operation Yellow Ribbon, all sorts of small Canadian towns absorbed, wide body jets and passengers. And by 1216, 3.5 hours after the first plane hit, the US airspace was completely clear of any plane whatsoever. One of the most remarkable feats of coordination and aviation history, there's no precedent, no playbook, and it was all

7:22made up on the fly. And to make that happen with no further tragedy, it's absolutely incredible. And of course, this changed security, you know, we had TSA and we went from private contractors to federal workers under George W. Bush and the cockpit doors are reinforced. And every time the pilot gets up to use the to the lab, they put the drink cart in front of it. And we have no fly list and watch list and you're taking your shoes off and laptops out of bag and all of those things led to where we are today. And I it's kind of come full circle actually. And I think that is really interesting because today 25 years later, the TSA is now considering allowing some travelers to bring bottled water through security as part of the TSA precheck lines. So I guess they're getting new, as you know, as we're getting to CBG, but new technology is going to go in that includes facial comparisons, facial recognition that's going to enable you to go through security without even showing a boarding pass. And then the technology we've used at

8:25sporting events and things like that at this point, but it's going to be facial. You do now, you scan, you look at the camera, they hold your ID up, but it's just going to be, I guess less obtrusive. You're not going to you're just simply walk right up. And so, you know, there's going to be three, the luggage scanners and body scanners and stuff like that. But the Gaitside program is going to permit people without a ticket to a company family members agree to meet the gate when they land. We haven't seen that since September 11, 2001, 25 years ago. You know, back in the old days of A.B., you watch an old movie or show or something like that and people like waving to their loved ones as they get on the plane or walk right up with them to the gate. And now, of course, you know, you have to say your goodbyes a lot earlier as you go into essentially what was quarantined, right? With that zone, the TSA is screen and then it's a no-go zone. If you go the other way, the wrong way, you're in trouble because all the alarms go off. But now they're going to go, well, now it's going to go back to the old way where you can greet your, neither say goodbye or say hello to your loved ones or meet your your travelers. Gaitside, because of the technology through the TSA. So the pre-check lanes and the Gaitside program are

9:30going to be rolled out over the course of the next year, which now we've come full circle. But again, it's not like we're not having security anymore. It's just it's it's changed. It's not as intrusive. But that'll all happen from that first moment at 903 when the first planes came down. And an incredible story for sure. It's led to where we are today. We've got a news update happening. We'll reset as we look forward to the weekend. Of course, it's we will be looking back all day long here on 700 W. W to 25 years ago today. Later in the show at 1106, I'll have again a lieutenant general Michael Zettler, if you didn't know him earlier. He is a U. S. Air Force lieutenant general since retired. But he was actually in the Pentagon steps away when flight 77 hit the outer ring of the Pentagon and actually lost a dear friend friend of his in that tragedy. And of course later, we know that the plane was brought down over Shanksville, PA that was intended probably most likely for the capital or the White House. But lieutenant general Zettler

10:31speaking today at the 11 and 11 Memorial right now as a matter of fact, it'll be on the show later 1106. We also have this as I mentioned a bittersweet day. That's the bitter side. The sweet day is we have football this weekend watched a game last night. I'm not sure it was the jet lag bowl, I suppose. No matter who won our loss, it'll be blamed on travel. See, this is what happens when you go to Australia. Anyway, on that, we have Bengals football coming up on Sunday. And of course, he is back as a longtime voice of the Bengals. That'd be our good buddy Dan Horde, voice of the bear cats. Of course, the Bengals to preview Cincinnati Tampa Bay and something we usually don't do. And that is none of the discussions about the offense. We will talk a lot about the defense. So you definitely feel like we're a new territory here with our Cincinnati Bengals. Is this the year? It's looking really, really good at this point. Great test in Tampa. Daniel, talk about it after news on the home of the best Bengals coverage 700 WLW. The opportunity to get

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12:37football frenzy studios jeeps on sale right now at Mike Kastruci jeep on red bank road in Fairfax. Scott slum 700 WLW it all begins Sunday Joe bro in the Bengals open the season of eight core you got the all orange you got Tampa Bay and air orange you got orange orange orange orange and the blitz heavy Tampa Bay book and ears are in town so great test to see if this offseason fixed what cost them last year and of course he's called every Bengal snap for the past couple decades now watching a defense finally built to back up Joe burrow and that would be the living legend one Daniel Horde voicing your Bengals on the Bengals radio network Sunday afternoon Daniel good to have you back I trust you at a wonderful summer. Lonnie we are reunited and it feels so good we are teachers in the great summer. Yeah I did have a great summer but you know as August approaches I've become the kid who is ready for school to start again you know summer fun you enjoy spending time with your friends but then you're ready

13:39for school you're ready to get back to class you're ready to see everybody in the building that how I've been with the football season so I can't wait for it to start on Sunday and I'll tell you what in the thing is the excitement palpula always is and we're always so optimistic and that's probably true of any sports town but this one in particular because if you think back to season off seasons past right there was all sorts of contract drama and nonsense last year while last couple season was the tray Hendrix and saga Bengals swung from X crossby to get Dexter Lawrence and boyd mafia and Brian cook and Jonathan Allen and just go on and on and on hold different field now and we know last year the defense no question it was a real problem bottom of the league against the run no pressure in the middle you're banged up by the year ended it was triage center that's the context for basically every major move this off season and I don't remember off season where they've done this much do you I don't and it's interesting free agency they sign Brian cook right off the bat and then it was the other guys that you mentioned boy moth a Jonathan Allen etc

14:43and all of that was good and I think Bengals fans are like okay you know they did something to address the defense I don't know if it's going to be enough and then five days before the draft they swung the trade for Dexter Lawrence and that changed everything the other players are great players good leaders they spent 125 million bucks in free agency so they did a lot but then you go out and get Dexter Lawrence and give up the tent pick in the draft now you're saying to everybody in the world we are doing everything we can possibly do to win a Super Bowl on Valentine's day 2027 so I'm really excited depth for the season to begin and I think all of our optimism is warranted we know that he is a all-world talent in Dexter Lawrence but what does he change schematically for the defense here you have to double team him and in some cases triple team him he is one of a handful of players in the NFL that you can say that about so then it's back

15:45after that if two or three guys are blocking him you can't really double team anybody else so suddenly all of those other guys just have to win a one-on-one matchup and since they've improved the guys that are attempting to do that that bodes well Dexter Lawrence is a freak the trade went down on a Saturday night I was in the building at like eight in the morning the next day Sunday morning the day he walked through the door to take a physical and sign his contract and Sonya just remember thinking as he walked by me that is the most fit 350-pound man I've ever seen in my life because I'll be honest with you I've been doing this for a long time there are always guys that are basically that weight in an NFL locker room but usually when you look at them you're like hmm he could probably fan to drop 25 you know there's there's a role over the belt that probably shouldn't be there that's not the case with Dexter Lawrence it is 350 solid pounds he moves incredibly well

16:51for a man of his size he is one of one they're just they're not many people walking the planet that are that large that move that well and then to add to it is like one of the nicest guys that you've ever met so he'd be there off the field grizzly bear on it can't wait to see him a rec-opposing teams interior offensive lines and really is big a star and we'll get to that the offense with Joe Burrow in a second he is at shiny beacon on the defensive side you actually got it you got a posture boy basically for as you do Joe with the offense he's the defensive face in Dexter Lawrence but as you mentioned that's good to free up other guys I mean Miles Murphy and you know you're gonna get in John's and Alan Mafia but particularly Miles Murphy is probably liquid as chops now going hey I get a chance now I I'm really gonna break out yeah I would say him and Mafia you know boy Mafia won a Super Bowl ring last year with Seattle but he was part of a defensive line rotation you're going to get more opportunities this year with this team

17:51and as you just said with Dexter Lawrence commanding double teams he just got a beat at one guy to get to the quarterback I would also throw the name caches Howell in there the bagels first draft picked this year they didn't have a first grounder so he became their first pick with the ninth pick of the second round he looks like a first-ground talent slony he's had an incredible training camp he beats his man about as quickly as anybody that I can remember the Bengal tabbing their trade Hendrickson was a phenomenal pass rusher but it was kind of a classic speed the power type of thing you know he got a little bit of an edge on his guy and then with his power he was able to get to the quarterback whereas caches Howell is quickness twitch yep great pass rush moves and suddenly he's blown by his guy and he's you know he's seeking missile on the way to the quarterback so I'm excited to see him too yeah and you're playing behind him helps as you know Shemar Stewart a lot was put on Shemar Stewart in his rookie season now he's you know behind Miles Murphy and I'll offer BJ Hill on

18:55that mix as well so now you've got guys a little experience you can rotate in but certainly takes a lot of the pressure off them yeah throwing BJ Slaten as well Chris Jenkins they have great depth land and Robinson the seventh round picked from maybe we're doing it interesting to see which guys are active on Sunday because you know the 53 man roster not everybody is active on game day but they certainly have really good players on the defensive line to be able to keep guys fresh and that's what you want at that position yeah you know they're big guys they're straining and fighting on every snap if you can keep them relatively fresh that's a huge advantage and some big reason why Seattle and the Super Bowl last year and why Philadelphia won at the year before both of those teams could say that all right so what are you looking for in this first game and a great test as you mentioned against Tampa Bay we'll get to that other side of the ball the second Dan Horde but what does the pass first have to show Sunday to you to believe it's really different this year I mean he got a lot of new pieces in there it will take a little time to gel anyway but

19:56what are you looking for I'm looking for pressure I mean it's pretty simple they haven't had any for several years I want to see Baker make deals harassed on Sunday that doesn't necessarily mean they sack them five times but I don't want to see him bouncing you know up and down in the pocket with time I'm looking to deliver the ball to some really good weapons I want him off his spot scrambling in trouble throwing off his back foot a constant harassment that's what I'm looking for and I'm also looking for a defense that can stop the run on first and 10 please say it's not done the past three years so Dexter certainly goes a long way towards fixing that but those waves that we're talking about let's see frequent pressure on Baker Mayfield and if that's the case now suddenly you get some picks suddenly you're getting some three in-outs enforcing them to fund from deep in their own territory that's what this team has been missing and I do think that this defense of life is going to be able to provide it Baker may feel just got paid you think it was worth it

21:01statistically he's worth it I mean he has performed really well since being Tampa Bay's quarter back in the second half last year it it tailed off as he dealt with injuries and his offensive line was battered but by and large in the three years that he's been there he's been really good and if the going rate for the top quarterbacks in the NFL is somewhere around 55 million bucks then he probably deserves it it wasn't a super long deal it's a three-year contract so I guess in that sense Tampa Bay one is the wrong word the probably negotiated well not to give him a fourth or fifth year but yeah I think he's earned being paid the rate of the better quarterbacks in the NFL he is Dan Horde of course legendary voice of the Bengals and it all starts anew on Sunday Tampa Bay in town with the very well compensated Baker Mayfield quarterback against Joe Burrow I don't recall a segment outside of maybe crisis or the wheels falling off or scandal or whatever might be where

22:03we've spent the first I know eight or nine minutes Dan talking about the defense as opposed to Joe Burrow in the offense that storyline kind of gets buried like yeah we got T we got you Mara we got okay we got Joe we're good let's focus on the defense that that's rare era that's why it feels so different this season and that that means Joe Burrow doesn't have to be Superman on every drive I know that's kind of coach speak but that's true well one of the reasons why we haven't talked about it so far Sony is that there are no changes you know when you do a first segment I at the beginning of a football season you talk about what's different from the previous year there are no changes in the starting line up on offense all 11 guys are back that is really rare the only person that they had to resign in the starting lineup was the right guard Dalton Reisner and once he moved into starting lineup with seven games to go last year the offensive line played really well so normally since we've been doing this early in the year we're talking about is the offensive line any better that's a little now I think we're all reasonably confident that the offensive line is

23:05at least good not top five in the NFL good but top half of the league good I think that that's fair to say hopefully the tackles stay healthy because of the backup swing tackle is definitely a question mark but I do think they have good backups on the interior and hopefully Orlando Brown Jr. and Amarius Mims can stay healthy and answer the bell for 17 games and beyond well and you know Tampa and their scheme they're they're blitz heavy and this is going to be I mean talking about baptism by fire Dan you get the best right out of the right out of the gator yeah and that's why you love having five guys back that have played together they have continuity they've communicated in live situations in noisy environment so the key for any offensive line to handle a blitz heavy approach is the communicate picking up which guys are coming where are they coming from where's the twist where's the stunt all of that kind of stuff when you've got new components

24:05on the offensive line it takes a while for that stuff to happen in this case these guys have played together seven games at the end of last year and obviously you've had a ton of reps of practice I'm sure they're going to be moments where somebody comes through Tampa Bay's got some really good paths for us including Ruben Bain who you know we were kind of hoping that the Bengals would get before they traded away to 10th pick so it's not going to be easy but I do like the fact that these five guys have played together and they have the communication skills that you need to pick up all of that. You mentioned Amarius Mims right now and a lot of chat a lot of chirping about him being an all pro potential all pro what have you seen so far I'm up to this point with camp to make him earn that. Looks good and the thing to me that stands about stands out about Amarius is like how easy he makes past blocking look at times it almost looks like he's not even trying which that's a wonderful skill to have and any athletic endeavor you know great ice skaters or take a completely different sport the great just make it look so easy you know

25:11Settler and Kennes was so graceful and made it look easy that's what Amarius Mims is like as a past blocker it's like it's quiet he just he's so big and he's got good feet that he just kind of makes it look easy so I'm not sure if this is the year that becomes a pro-bola he's still relatively early in his NFL career but I do think it's going to happen at some point. Yeah and it's good to finally have football back instead of the non-sense offseason you know Joe burrow is unhappy and he's going to leave and exact tatters on the hot seat and of course he's on the hot seat he should be on the hot seat based on what he's got now he should damn bale barbable better win but to you know focus I'd rather focus on what we're talking about now that whether not Joe Perot is going to be in stripes next year it's just stupid. Do you think that like they put up you know black banners and inserted morning at ESPN when Joe came out the other day and said I'm here along the wall and I'm proud to be the quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals I love the city I love the Brown family I mean they they just probably in a morning meeting said oh my gosh

26:12no what we just lost you know four hours a day of content of speculating why he wants out and where he's going to be so I thought it was nice that that Joe made those comments publicly I mean I I knew that he felt that way right but it's good to camp camp down some of that national speculation. Yeah it's kind of like you know reading the the cover of Abby road well he's got shoes on he must be dead and that's a sign it's like all right stop already for God's sake. Yeah he's dropping all these Easter eggs and nuggets no he's not it Joe's not that guy Joe just uh you know he's he's he's really quiet and and person you know humble and from my stand personal random he's just not you know he's not going to wear it on his sleeve like some guys do for sure um how much of Chase Brown's expanded role this year is by design versus him just forcing the issue because of his play I mean it's he's the he's the star you can't ignore you know Joe made the comment either in the oxygen program or at the beginning of training camp

27:13I don't remember the timeline that Chase Brown is the number two offensive option on this team's your mom being the obvious number one but in terms of volume Chase Brown is going to get the ball a ton between having it handed to him and having it thrown to him Chase Brown's a really good player and he's a smart guy he's worked really hard at becoming a better receiver so the Bengals have a unique weapon in the sense that they can put him all over the place they can line him up obviously he's running back but as a slot receiver they can play with two running backs at the same time with him and some Ajay D Ryan he's going excuse me he's going to get the ball a lot and I think that it's not that far fetched to think that he could set the all-time franchise record for total scrimmaged yards in a season he came fairly close a few years ago James Brooks holds the all-time franchise record but no Bengals ever surpassed 2,000 scrimmaged yards in a season I don't know if he's going to get there but I do think he could get to like 1800

28:15and that would be a franchise record is here match up Sunday you think the side just game more than any other what are you looking at I do worry about Baker Mayfield just because he's always performed well against Cincinnati and he did it even with the lousy teams you know there's years in Cleveland he started seven times against the Bengals he went six and one his stats head to head against Cincinnati are about as good as any quarterback they've ever faced he's thrown 21 touch down passes and has seven picks against the Bengals pass the rating of one 15 against the Bengals again six and one is the starting quarterback against the Bengals so I've just seen too much of Baker Mayfield take the Bengals apart to feel like it's going to be easy to handle him he's got a healthy offensive line if you look at their offensive line last year the center played every game every other guy missed at least five and the starting guards I think only played two or

29:16three games all year so when healthy it's a good line they're healthy now they're all back they've got some good receiving weapons they've got two good running backs they've got a new offensive coordinator so there's a little bit of a mystery as to what they're going to do that challenging week one so that's my biggest concern is as good as I feel about the defensive addition the Bengals made and is confident as that I am that they're going to be a much improved defense this year I'm still a little bit nervous playing Baker Mayfield having seen him have so many big games against Cincinnati in the back yeah he is Dan Hard he and Dave Lapham with the call on the home of the best Bengals coverage 700 WLW it's a one-a-clock kickoff Sunday at the pay core looks like the best weather day of the weekend albeit a little humid I think that's going to factor in as well maybe not as much as the jet lag with San Francisco and the Rams but still going to be a fact. Throw in Tony Pike as well Tony Freeman Booth me lap and Tony and that

30:16was great in the preseason and looking forward to doing in a regular season game on Sunday. All right three man Booth most most teams are getting rid of broadcasters we're adding them that's how confident we are in a deep deep run for our Bengals Danny all the best have a great game go enjoy your toast I will Tony thank you all the best all the best should ask him that'd be the thing every day I will ask him every Friday morning what what kind of toast he's having going a little ride this morning I feel it's just a little more spicy this is the home of the best Bengals coverage 700 WLW when I was 14 years old I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed I'm Elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files you just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't say anything every week I'm with survivors who live through

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35:28going on with our kids right now so it's literally physiological and neurological air psychological chaos happening all this e-dial we got into group chats and gaming friendships and bullying and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust there's belonging you could think of belonging as i can be myself and i can still be accepted and then they're fitting in fitting in says i have to change who i am in order to avoid rejection then we turn the conversation toward the fathers sitting down with therapists cure gains on black fatherhood and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage you don't have more shorts so you can't do flips you have on the dress you have across your legs that's the range of this run from screen time to identity to the fathers doing the work at home how to get off her device but the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as you're adult in a life to miss out on this has been our surviving middle school run brought to you by the people who spin their careers thinking about exactly this i'm dr joy listen to therapy for black girls on the i heart

36:32radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast do since an adi do you want to be an america for me back on seven hundred and w i'll have a teacher doctor you can know your name and now he or she is lucky to know your charts and this is part of a greater problem in america with our health care struggles up to one third of us physicians report pretty high significantly high intentions of leaving their practice early retiring earlier doing something else is called the great physician exodus and you can imagine what's driving that number one would be burnout at addition of that the administrative burdens that add to the burnout and the fact the matter you just feel like a clog in the wheel because of corporate health care so a great case study of this involves a physician out of mason Ohio and she's been in the game for almost a quarter of a century family medicine and she just simply walked away from the system and is doing something else and it's mario it's more of a concierge type of plan that she's involved with here and there's there's a number

37:33of them she's a doctor Jill manahan joining the show this morning on seven hundred w w good morning how are you good morning scot thanks for having me on yeah of course you're well yeah um so doctors are leaving clinical practice for a number of reasons i mentioned administrative burden there's your your demands of running a clinic um the financial pressure is obviously if you're out of med school and you're starting out and you're trying to hang your shingle there's that tremendous burden uh the if to pay your debt off there's insurance there's a lot of things lack of autonomy i think is another one i hear a lot about because of you have um big corporate money in this as well so were all those factors a reason why you decided to to pivot uh absolutely um i i really believe the biggest concern in uh today's environment is primary care really focuses on administrative burden and reimbursement procedures and that really limits uh direct patient care time so that that's and that's what i love about medicine is talking to patients and getting to know them and

38:34a lot of that i believe was getting taken away from me in um the kind of volume driven medicine that is um the mainstream healthcare today yeah and i'll point out too that you were all you're a DO you're at osteopath um which is a little bit different than your traditional MD but that's right uh yes um traditionally um osteopathic physicians um were trained um it it was a little bit different philosophy back in medical school um we do uh there's a little bit more of a holistic approach um you know traditionally i would say that um everything is pretty much mainstream together now we you know we go and do the same residency and we do the same um the past the same boards etc so you'll see DOs in surgery um you'll see them in OBGYN and of course primary care so so it's just a little bit different background but i don't think you would notice a difference these days no no well i'm my my PCP is a DO also for that reason it's not

39:34it's it's obviously you're using cutting edge medicine and it's not like oh what do you not use medicine to use voodoo dolls and you know incense and no it's not sending like that it's more of a holistic like we look at everything you know personalized nutrition and and it's more about the individual then you know just something out of a textbook so it's a little more i guess maybe a little bit more feel and organic than it is uh tradition but it's the same it's MD at DO and i think that's an interesting distinction you see a lot more DOs are moving into in this case and we'll get into what mdv ip is um but but getting out of that that cycle of traditional medicine um i do know i would say that there's you know the smaller percentage of DOs in the uh Cincinnati area of course but uh they hear university is actually opening um osteopathic medical school i believe 2027 so yeah so i think you're going to see a lot more of them but i wouldn't say it's an mddo saying i think it's just a general position uh burnout right um lack of patient uh direct patient communication and um i think it's across the board

40:40all right you so you're practicing for a large um um you know well-known group here in Cincinnati um it's part of your practice and now you're transitioning to the the mdv ip model and you're leaving that system behind so was there was our moment you said okay i can't do this anymore what what facilitated and then explain also what what this new model is yeah sure so you know i've been um i've foreign raises in Cincinnati i've been doing um traditional health care models for about 22 years as you said a quarter of a century um and and i've noticed this troubling trend where you know patients are getting less and less time with their doctors um volume driven medicine is the norm and i really don't see it changing anytime soon you know and it's it's across the all all the large health care corporations um nothing specific but i just don't see it changing due to the other things i mentioned earlier administrative duties reimbursement procedures so you know i i reached a point last summer i

41:44i just can't tell you that there was a breaking point but i knew that i had 15 more years or so to practice and i i didn't want to keep doing it this way i was either going to quit clinical medicine altogether um or but then this opportunity presented itself and i'm very excited about it all right how does it work how does it satisfy work yeah yeah um mbvip it's a membership based model uh we do take insurance um but there is an annual fee for the program uh and what that allows us to do is number one a very comprehensive two-part annual physical program is uh focusing on the cardiovascular prevention um inflammatory markers body composition um longevity factors and we do all kinds of testing including your hearing vision EKG pulmonary testing and then part two is when we have our you know power or 90-minute discussion with the patient variance death about all these markers and what they mean and how we can affect them

42:44so so that's um what your your membership um your annual fee will get you in addition it allows me to keep a smaller practice size so that you know i'm able to get back to the same day i'm able to get you in the same day you'll have more direct communication with me um after hours of their availability so it it's uh very personalized and um you know more comprehensive yeah yeah it's everybody has my phone number yeah yeah so it's there's no look like i leave old message at the office and i call during lunch or whatever mean you know you may be busy but you'll get back to me at least and i have a one-on-one with you um and it's not like you're on call 24 hours a day seven days a week but it's certainly a lot more personal than the typical model so when it comes to that obviously you're seeing far fewer patients than you did before what's the difference number of patients you would see at your practice daily um then versus now yeah so daily i would say i i was seeing about 25 patients a day in the traditional model and then i would go home and have

43:49two or three hours worth of work to do uh today i would say six to seven patients is that there's a day um everybody gets an hour if they need an hour and you know i have time to call the insurance company and advocate for my patient or you know call other specialists and advocate for them in that respect so i really do feel like i'm able to give them that next level of care wow um and it's better quality for life for you but better care for the patient too because it's more focused and personal yeah yeah uh she is uh dr. Jill manahan she's in mason and she's proud of a uh kind of a growing trend in medicine and there's a bunch of different uh care options but moving away from the traditional healthcare model she's part of something called mdv it's an annual subscription basically that allows it to and you still take insurance but uh allows the physician your doctor to spend more time quality time with you and uh develop more of a one-on-one relationship and that you're actually just calling your doctor if you have a question as opposed to leaving a message and hope and they'll call back in a couple days and sometimes they don't we've all been there

44:52before because well when you're seeing 30 patients um it's a lot harder to do that versus maybe 10 a day uh and that's the distinction there and everybody winds up winning and um you you may also see things typically if you're that you know if you have a patient load of 30 um you may not catch things that may affect not on my quality life but my wife my life in general absolutely i i actually do sleep at night wondering if i've missed things and thinking about you know my 10-minute visit with this very complicated patient what did i miss so i don't want to leave sleep anymore and i want the patient to not have things in it it's a really interesting model too and in practical real terms you're just getting you're getting better quality healthcare more time you know a lot of our my listeners you know middle-class working folks managing chronic conditions diabetes hypertension heart disease things like that it is that is this treat that better is this model more accessible than or is that um well two things got number one i think that

45:53if we get to these patients earlier maybe they don't go down that road you know this this is focus on prevention you know proactive treatment and not reactive treatment which is what this annual wellness program is all about um but secondly if they've reached that point in their you know health journey then absolutely they're they have more active you know um more direct communication with their provider if they have a problem they keep on the same day they don't necessarily have to end up in the emergency or or room or the urgent care so we do do a good job of keeping patients out of this you know emergency situation by addressing their problems very quickly yeah as a as a deo and it's called integrative medicine you may have heard this before it's all these different practices coming together but it's you know in addition to hey um me i'm going to prescribe this for you or you need this procedure done uh it's nutrition and hormone therapy things like that in the old practice the old way in the old model uh the traditional you know big health care system how much of that was allowed i mean was that kind of being suppressed in the traditional

46:54system versus what you do now yeah that's an interesting question i would say that yes if you're going off book um so there's there's some regulations and the bigger health surface than about what you can and can't do as far as you know if you wanted to use for example a compounding pharmacy um you know if you wanted to do like put in hormone testing if you wanted to do fit testing as opposed to blood testing it's it's kind of frowned upon and it's not well mostly i don't have time to do that right now i do so these are things i'm interested in and um being if you're having certified in but i was not i didn't have time or really the um that billy do that in the larger health care system um our government is debating this right now is it you know from a from a provider perspective from a clinician like yourself inside the exam room who's around the show is it is it the insurers is the hospital system is it the government

47:57uh i would say in in the room um i do my best to run the show but i have colleagues who have a time clock that's uh a timer that they bring into their patient room because they they have so many minutes to spend with the patient and the patients know and you know and of course it doesn't feel good to the patient but i think they also feel bad for the doctor in some respect so so yeah i mean i do have in the larger health care systems you do have a quota or a number of patients that or a patient's loss that you have to have open each day um it's so and that's more the big health care system as far as the government goes um that more have to do with the billing and the reimbursement procedures which is very complicated and takes up a lot of time so you're part of uh jomanian you're you're part of mdv ip and there's there's different types of different types of systems like this um where we're moving away from the traditional here's my

48:58you know employer sponsored insurance car take care of me and i go and i sit there and i wait in a waiting room forever um this is more specialized care but you pay a fee for that typically what what what's the annual membership rate for mdv ip for a patient so it depends on the area usually but but for example mine is uh 2600 dollars for the year uh which worked out to about seven dollars a day um is that per person or is there like you know family rate or is it just 2600 straight so each adult that is over the age of 26 will have their own membership and again what that gets done is the that preventative physical too so we do have a family plan uh so for example if you've got a couple of college students or high school students that need you know it to be seen um they can be seen under the family plan and we just build the insurance for for you know your your son who has uh you know an upper expatory infection got you got yourself a copay the

50:02you know the idea of the copay that's all that still applies what's on your card it's just the fact that you're getting better access so is this about concierge medicine is that disturbing in the fact that again we have the halves and the have not to do good afford the 2600 dollars per person a year you're going to get better quality health care uh versus someone who doesn't yeah i i do understand that this model is not for everyone um if you know i'm i'm providing another option among the many options that that people have for health care and i do understand that it's not for everyone um but this is what i'm choosing to provide at this point and i think it's i think it's worthwhile um for patients and doctors um yeah i mean you've got to do what's right for you and your family and in your livelihood uh 100% and there's going to be plenty of physicians that stay in the system for sure um and but you know the overall thing is you look at just how bad our system is that uh the free market will find a way right and um i don't care where you live um you know

51:02the you're going to have people who are um going to pay a privilege for services like that a little bit yeah i've heard of people with personal dog or concierge medicine this isn't that but because you still accept insurance uh you're not paying everything out of pocket in this case but you get more specialized care and you see more physicians um that you talk to in your circle that that are thinking about doing this and and what what about your friends and medicine do they criticize you for this or they like wow i had a look at this too what's the reaction about so i think it's a little bit of both um i've seen several very young physicians just out of residency uh work for a year 18 months and say it's or their hands at the back can't do that's for 30 years and go directly to a concierge medicine i've seen it um and then i've seen you know people in my situation where i've been practicing for a while and i've been in one place for a long time and i just i just don't see it changing i just see it continuing along the same path and i have i'm at a fork in the row basically yeah so i do have colleagues in that same situation i've heard a couple of you know negative

52:07responses but i suggest everybody's entitled to their opinion i understand i don't have the answers for i you know i don't have the answers for everybody i don't have the answers for the you know the broken system maybe if i was 20 years old i might take on that fight but at this point i i'm gonna do what i think is best for i don't think i don't think anyone would fault you for that and then scrim if they did because you know you got to worry about you um and you couldn't do it because yeah i i guess if you just show up and put you clock all day there i'm not saying that every physician certainly that is part of the traditional system does that but you know you've got to you got to do what's right by you but i think you know you're just hearing the compassion you have you get better quality care but if you get afforded the $2,600 a year i think that's the i think it's the indicator that that should be a message to congress and everyone else and how badly our system is because it's starting to you know figure out the best past best pass on its own and typically if you have the means to be able to afford that that is the way forward it's always those adopters to do that so once again on the show it's uh doctor dr. Jill Maughman had cheese in mason and she's part of something called mdv ip and what that does

53:12is that's a subscription based model allows her to see fewer patients but you get direct access to her pretty much any time and you can spend quality time with your physician um as opposed to feeling like a cog in the wheel um dr. Jill what's the website again? uh it's uh Jill man of hand you'll search for Jill man of hand at the mbv.com i appreciate jump out of this morning thanks again for the time thank you god have a good day yeah you as well um i think the thing is there's options out there you got the money and you can afford it maybe something to explore for you news on the way and then Austin pops it we have bangle's football back baby back back back and back against tampa bay and all orange sunday on home the best bangle's coverage 700 www here we go on this um solemn day it's kind of like bittersweet right 25th anniversary of the uh attacks of 9-11 and uh the names still consumed being read as we speak uh earlier at 8-46 we ran in its entirety the nine nine eleven a timeline uh which is just a

54:17wonderful piece of audio and uh people been calling asking hey can i get a copy of that and it's available via our podcast page you want to check that out 700ww.com or just um via via our podcast um so we of course look back at 9-11 we also look forward to sunday which means bangle's play football that music needs austin elmore is here from espn 1530 in toney pike on today we'll gain preview we are full bangle mode coverage here this morning on 700w with tampa coming to town and i talked in the first hour with dan horde and we talked for a good five ten minutes i think and never mentioned joe borough once it was all about the defense and that is the that's the storyline coming into this whole thing it's you know nothing's changed on offense we did not talk that much about joe borough and t higgins and jim our chase and we will a little bit but it's the it's all been defense which is the weirdo say because you have that you have the you know the the state of beginning remodel it feels like the bangle's have been born again yeah that's a great way to say it i know that the

55:21inquire also did a long form piece about dexter lorence and basically not just about who the guy is but like the reason for the pieces the bangle's changed the way they do business and got a guy like this why did they go after a guy like this and you know we can talk about burrow and chase and higgins and the offense all you want but ultimately this team can't get anywhere near where it wants to go unless the defense shows up i mean we saw burrow in 2024 put together one of the best seasons ever jim our chase had maybe the best season ever by a wide receiver that year and they missed the playoffs you have to have a defense that can keep you in games it was horrible last year they played better down the stretch but if this team wants to get to where everybody wants them to go they got to have a defense it starts with sunday yeah and unlike the rams you can't blame jet lag something goes south on on sunday the jet lag bulls would have been calling it you know that was going to come down to that it's like the team that loses it's because of jetlets because well they got there too early or they got there too late yeah that's what everybody wants to blame

56:23it on maybe that's true um san francisco did look like the fresher team it looked like a better legs and look like faded i mean honestly the way that that san francisco just took it to them physically from the very beginning like i thought last night's game was much more physical than Wednesday night's game and i think san francisco really was punishing is a great word for it and i think the rams kind of got punched in the mouth what's that is it a mike Tyson quote who said everybody has a plan to the punch in the face yeah i think that's what happened last night and here's the thing with frisco though so you know you listen to them call the place you're like oh my gosh i have divos sam you've got all these guys right and like man everybody's a name you know it's like how in the house and the fact you realize that like these guys been around the block and we saw last night a couple guys went down with injuries right and this net frisco's problem is yeah you've got these guys that are i want to say you know they're maybe private they're older you're gonna you just by age you're gonna succumb to injury so the the diners we saw yesterday what are they gonna look like by week 10 right question it's a good question the thing about Kyle

57:26shanahan over the course of his career as a coach is you could you it's it's almost enough when his teams are healthy they're playing for a champ when they're healthy and even when they're not healthy he finds a way to get them in the conversation i mean last year's a perfect example of that they were beat up last year too and he found a way to get them into the conversation he's one of the best coaches the plan that he had last night for neutralizing the Rams front seven every team is gonna try to replicate that to the rest of the year he put that on tape game number one yep and dominated the Rams front seven obviously Aaron donnell wasn't there but i think if Aaron donnell was there two same thing would happen to him because he hadn't played football three years would have gotten off a plate at the same time as everybody else just an incredible incredible plan and execution up front in the run game specifically to totally neutralize the Rams front seven all right so on to game day sunday one o'clock Tampa isn't town that is gonna be a hell of a tester out of the gate for this new defense yeah Tampa's always good early on in the year and you know i think the thing about it is if you want to go back to the defense what i'm most fascinated in

58:28can the Bengals get pressure on Baker mayfield if you think of that Tampa offensive line their left tackle is Tristan Worf she's one of the best in the NFL he's the only player ever to be an all pro at right tackle and left tackle the Duke and flat out play so he's playing left tackle protecting Baker's blindside and on the right tackle spot they've got Luke go to key who's a really good tackle in and of himself and so when you have two really strong tackles that makes it difficult to put pressure on the quarterback and that's what the Bengals have to get better at this year that's what they're gonna have to do on sunday if they want to win i think they're gonna play a lot of man coverage the injury to DJ Turner and unknowing really the severity of that might throw a wrench into those plans but if you can play man coverage against the group in which you feel pretty confident against that the the buccaneers were really bad against man coverage Baker specifically really bad against man coverage last year and you can create some pressure from the interior that's a recipe yeah success but you're gonna have to create something because those tackles

59:29are really good and also with you know a bunch of guys it yeah you you'd preseason okay and these guys are you got some veterans in there but still you know there's there's something to be said about chemistry and then you had to mix caches howl um you know they're all in on him on this rookie and you know again Tampa Bay in the real season you never seen nothing like this yeah I think Paul Dana wrote about it this week we're like in the building there's nobody that's being talked about more than caches howl golden already described him as a hit he hasn't even played a snap yet he played a couple of snaps in the preseason and they're like no we're treating this dude like a starter he's not playing the rest of the pressure and he's he's got versatility okay he can stand up he can be on the edge he can put his hand in the dirt like caches howl is is like the the Swiss army knife for this defense and I think they're gonna use him in a lot of different ways yeah um are they prepared for that blitz though because Tampa comes at you and wait a good question yeah nobody blitzes more as a defensive play call with in Todd bowls over 37 percent of the time and it's pretty wide margin how often he blitzes and so that's the thing the book

1:00:31on joe burrow is don't blitz him because he's the second best quarterback against the blitz I mean he gets the ball out quickly he's accurate he's got the weapons like most teams would rather just wait and try to sit back and let their pressure be created by their for down lineman and Todd bowls just isn't like that and so that's what I'm most curious to see defensively does he stick to who he's always been yeah try to blitz the crap out of the Bengals and if so I like the Bengals odds honestly just because of who joe burrow has always been against the blitz in his career or does he try to get pressure with four and come up with some creative looks and some stunts and stuff like that and also try to just keep you know seven guys back to defend against the Bengals basket all right so you look at the other side of the ball which normally we always talk about as the offense well nothing has changed literally season to season everything the course to the same I guess if there's one outline question is typically see this like hey everything's great we stand pat you always in danger falling back in the NFL if you stay where you were is this is this the core I mean it's all world but should have they done anything to address issues on the offense or

1:01:36is it just simply it was 100% you know I'm saying is like yeah I think you can't you can't have everything you want I think if you look at some of the positions where you're like okay we need a boost you think of tight end right yeah well they draft the one and jack injury he made the team air calls coming back fully healthy you think of that as a boost today room right the offensive line they needed to and should have done more when it comes to the swing tackle and the guys that they were banking on just didn't produce and in training camp and so they went and got a couple of guys and we'll see how they go I don't think anybody feels good about the depth of the exterior of the offensive line right now the added wrinkle was going under center to try to be a more multiple team that can beat you in multiple ways I don't think we'll see that very much on Sunday just based off the defense the Tampa plays and Vita V being in the middle so it'll look I think on Sunday much like the Bengals offense has always looked I think the continuity there is important and it will be helpful it's also safe to say to win or lose I mean it's it's week one and we don't do much through the preseason so that week one is always a little weird it's an outlier so keep that in mind

1:02:37one can be a liar a liar has been in the past Austin and Tony Pike today at noon over an ESPN 1530 all Bengals all the time yes sir is a Friday football frenzy thank you and we also got to talk to Charlie Goldsmith where there is a video of Charlie chugging a beer in six and a half seconds last night on the internet that we have to talk to Charlie wow that's a problem right there it's a big time they could be a problem it might be lead story number one it could be Austin thanks brother appreciate have a great weekend who day in go Bengals 700 WLW since now when I was 14 years old I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them I'm Elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files I just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up don't say anything every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable I knew if he woke up without a doubt he

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1:09:05doesn't take much to go back to that day and some people honestly are triggered by what they see today still 25 years later he was in the Pentagon when the plane struck and he was busy doing well good administrative stuff as a united states air force lieutenant general he's since retired michael zettler joins the show this morning from uh his place in date he was a featured speaker this morning at 11 and 9 11 memorial good morning general thank you it's good to be with you yeah appreciate it um the so you take us back to that morning i know you've probably been asked a million times but if you could go back where exactly where you in the Pentagon when flight 77 hit at 9 37 a.m i was in my office at 9 37 i knew that there was a lot of activity going on we had known that the powers had been hit and i came back from a meeting to my office and sitting with a young officer to give him some instructions and doing it rather quickly so that i could get on with

1:10:06the activities that we needed to address in the Pentagon and in the air force and we were sitting at a table and we heard a loud roar followed by an instant of silence and then a tremendous explosion and the thing i will always remember is i had a glass of water sitting in front of me which was and i watched that glass of water in the water shake and the young officer said that was not good and so that's 9 37 a.m. on 9 11 2001 and everything changed after that as they'd say but you as an air force officer as a ranking officer um obviously knew it was happening in New York at that time i'm sure that that that Pentagon was a buzz with that um were you at that time pivoting and talking about contingency plans and other things was was that the subject of what you were working on at that particular moment? Yeah uh that's not what i was talking to him about but yes we had been in uh it was a Tuesday so every Tuesday the secretary of the air force and the chief

1:11:08of staff of the air force had a combined large staff meeting and we were in the basement of the Pentagon uh in that staff meeting when the first airplane hit the the tower and there was some debate about what was going on and then there was the second airplane that yet then we realized there was a terrorist activity so the air force leadership um which was i i was a part of directed that we stand up our contingency operation cells and i gave instruction to my leader on that cell to get it moving and i went back from the basement to the office which is where i was when the airplane got it. It's deputy chief of staff for installation logistics. What was your role in those first minutes? So you obviously ranking officers in yourself of course being lieutenant general your role would change i would guess in that moment so what what did you wind up doing? i went back to the contingency cell and on the way i saw people going out and exit

1:12:14and there was a Pentagon police officer there and he was trying to turn him around and i guess he didn't have the right uniform authority on and i asked him why he said there's another airplane and we don't know where it's going so he wanted them to go out and more secure or safer exit so i he and i both there arms up and said stop we want you to go out quarter eight which was directly across the Pentagon it kind of went out almost underground and uh they started doing it and so i started leading and leading towards that exit and then we picked up other people who were coming that way the great thing about that was the exit that they were going out was going right into where all the first responders from the Pentagon were being stationed responding through the crisis on the on the fourth and fifth quarters of the Pentagon. General did you know anyone in that section and building it was it? i did it's one of my sad stories it causes my voice to still crack

1:13:15a little bit but the previous Thursday i played golf with a friend in the community golf event i had some association with him his name was pen and general Tim mod United States army lieutenant general deputy chief of staff for personnel and his office was a direct hit he was in his office just as i was and he was killed and lost in that event. What did you learn that you lost your friend? Well we customized that fairly quickly uh the next day i was going to a meeting back down in the basement and uh i saw several of my colleagues from the army and i asked them do we know about him and look under face that we know but we can't say yeah yeah loosen it and you know it's one thing in during wartime i suppose but this act of terrorism on our soil general entirely different and i'm expected he is uh lieutenant general united states air force retired michael zettler you know and going back to these is you were in the Pentagon when 77 struck

1:14:20what was the rest of the day like where were you um searching rescue did you coordinate that did you go home what what happened? Noto all of those i left uh there it was pretty obvious that there was a tremendous amount of search and rescue coming uh some of my colleagues who didn't have a direct rule in the contingency operation did go into the area and try to save people they brought several people out into the courtyard of the Pentagon the search in general the air force uh without their doing triage but i my rule was to go back to the crisis the action center and make sure the staff was getting together and then there was there was time to watch what was going on and then there was discussions about we were going to be deploying forces and what did we have and i started looking at the resources we had and where they were at and what we might need and

1:15:21the war plan to go into Afghanistan was shallow at best so we started anticipating uh what we would need for those long-range sorties in terms of fuel and munitions and making sure that we had those at different locations the air forces central which was in residence at sawdard were space deployed which gave us points of contact to go forward with i felt my role was on that day was to make sure that my staff was organized and ready to support contingency operations uh we stayed in the Pentagon until late afternoon when the smoke and so forth began to infiltrate into the uh areas where my team was working and we finally had make decision we have to get out of here we can't work so the air force leadership left depending on by helicopter which was kind of which was most unusual very shocking and with food and bowling and set up contingency

1:16:22operations that bowling which we kept going uh through the next day when you were a wheels up in in the in the helo i'd imagine now you have a bird's eye view of what happened um were you prepared for that moment now i did look over my shoulder and could see the Pentagon burning uh equally striking to me was we lifted off and flew over all the complex of highways and intersects in interstate types intersections uh just to the north and east of the Pentagon and traffic was good luck and we flew over national airport which has really really struck me trying over national airport nothing was moving yet nothing on the ground no airplanes no nothing and you just you just were reflecting and saying oh my and i turned into the office were sitting next to me and i said where'd war at his look me right back in the eye and said you're right yeah um general than the days and in weeks after what changed about how the Pentagon

1:17:27operated physically procedurally in the line uh certainly we were on a secretary of defense initiative to transform how the military operated i think we were preparing through multi-theaters of war how are we going to do this transformationalized bringing new innovative ideas and we suddenly realized we're going to be fighting against a embedded terror cells and it's a different kind of a war and so the transformation initiatives slowed down there was a large push to reduce the number of men and women in uniform some of which was needed but that slowed down tremendously because we couldn't put contractors into some of the places that we were going so there was a total shift of emphasis in the Pentagon to take on this which became a 20 year war 25 years later for those in an increasing number of course

1:18:33who weren't there um what do you want them to understand about that more there there are two things I want to happen one I want them to understand that their air force and the other services while not prepared for that attack we're well prepared for the response to it uh i would tell you that my training on how to handle a crisis but fluid situations kicked in all the exercises i had been through in my lifetime i went that's why we do those that's the first thing the second thing is shifting to the future this is our generation's proharbor we still remember proharbor we still have a wonderful ceremony on the Arizona to remember proharbor and it's the other than just the Arizona i would like the younger generation to remember 9-11 the 3000 people that were lost in New York the 184 in the Pentagon the people that sank so i'd like to them to remember

1:19:3950 years from now this event and honor those who served those who reacted and those who were lost he is air force lieutenant general michael zettler retired uh was in the pentagon and literally steps away from where the plane struck 25 years ago today and early this morning we played our 9-11 a timeline award winning um you know half hour as you know play by play of what happened 25 years ago my my dear friend uh and former college and we went to college together and worked in radio together the we first started in school uh scott stanley produced that and um to this day it still makes a heron to back your neck stand up and lump in your throat if you live through those days general this morning you spoke at the 9-11 memorial that service in lebanon ohio as you were invited to be the guest speaker there what was going through your mind earlier this morning first of all i uh i said i don't want to do that and uh mayor agon brun and robin kyle he said

1:20:42you can do it and i went now it's a emotional day for me i haven't got over it and robin coached me some robin gave me a poem that was written by a young woman named ilena rilla and uh i read that poem and said wow see was 15 years old and i uh read that poem and robin coached me some orange i said i need to do this and i need to do it so that we remember and to encourage younger generations to remember this day and the sacrifices that were made and some of those sacrifices are still being made we have people that were exposed to all the hazardous material in the york and the pentagon who are still afflicted and they're dying today well in addition you know look what's happening as we speak in aran um god knows what terraces are going to be created of that uh but that

1:21:44that that is part and parcel for what we do i understand that um how confident are you that we are prepared for another attack like this and we've we've of course stopped countless attacks like this from happening on american soil mostly successful occasionally not but but larger the biggest ones we've been able to stop and prevent i guess what scares me about a general and maybe you as well is that it's not going to be what we saw on 9-11 25 years ago it's going to be a different type of attack it might be cyber it may be something along those lines it uh maybe our infrastructure something we're not expecting i think we are better prepared i think our intelligence community is more attuned to it i think that our observation abilities are better situated i think that you're correct that there are likely targets i think that many of the technologies that we've put in place will prevent them but i do worry that the attack will be not in the order that we saw on 9-11 it won't be a massive

1:22:49explosion could be but i don't think that's like they i think it's more along our infrastructure i think it's more alone some radical biological or nuclear type of attack and i i'm not talking about nuclear weapons going off i'm talking about uh my small amount of uranium being blown up and contaminating several square miles yeah those are the things that i i think our intelligence community is very attuned to those i think our observation capabilities are very attuned to though our networking is very capable politically i worry about all the too many people are watching what we're doing yeah yeah we need to be watching what we're doing because there are people who want to interrupt our way of life yeah and that's the thing is we know we've got airplanes covered i mean look at how um you know there's an illusion of might take on tsa and airport security is like they're not going to do it that way again because we're looking at that it's going to be some other way

1:23:52that that then that's a naturopic you know they're looking for the easiest way in to create the kind of havoc that they did on 9-11 were ever vigilant to be sure because the branches of military and good people like yourself general are on the job and they're in duty and they're they're keeping watch but the scary part is we don't know when and when this one defined my generation up to define your generation and um who knows in the future further events that are going to define those subsequent generations that's the nature of it he was in the pentagon when the plane struck literally steps away lost people individual he knew and uh re not only recounted the day but uh this morning speaking at the 9-11 memorial in Lebanon Ohio starting at 846 when that first plane struck the tower and we remember 25 years later lieutenant general michael zettler the united states air force thanks so much for your service sir and hard to believe it's been 25 years but god bless thanks again for jumping on the show thank you for having me i wish you the best thank you general take care sir 25 years ago today our lives are

1:24:57changed forever and that's nature but we have these events occasionally and they dot history where it defines a generation that from my generation was the defining moment maybe it was COVID for years but probably not because uh right around the corner there's another tragedy there's something like this it gets our attention and changes the trajectory of our lives in the direction of our country and as uh you can't set your watch by it but you go and guarantee it is going to happen we just don't know when we don't know where we don't know who and we are defined by the times just when you think you have it figured out in life something happens and who knows what that's going to be but again we'll uh we'll fight it's what we do we're americans we rallyed i remember those days following 9-11 and how close everyone was together we're rowing together because we had a common enemy and uh when we don't have a common enemy that's clear we tend to turn on each other and that's the times we're involved in right now but that can change on a dime um at the end of the day we all do come together and i fully believe in the future when we're challenged that will continue to happen

1:25:59and for well over a hundred years we have been here to do that with you on the nation station 700 W.O.W. since then the weekends coming up and you need to make the most of it where to go and what to do she has the tips and insight to help you make it a super weekend so listen up this is the local loop with alie martin on 700 WLW and it is brought to by friends at uh french lick resort hotel casino in uh french lick indiana and west bayton indiana uh more stay in the time legendary party band from the eighties you want to get your eighties on more stay in the time playing there at exhibition hall six o'clock on october 10 so make a weekend of it uh little casino action maybe a little golf the weather's starting to get good for it so thanks again at french lickers our french lick resort calm there's so much going on in the world of Cincinnati she decided to leave you got that right you should have you should have you should have you should have you in barred town kid turkey or kid turkey bourbon festival eighty f i know i know i feel like you would

1:27:02love it i probably would love that how many different distillers and brands are represented at the kid turkey bourbon festival oh there's at least sixty five plus distilleries and more like this is in my opinion the best time to go and check out all the craft distilleries uh yes some of the new and up and coming ones uh it seems like everyone now is doing bourbon around the world it's not just bourbon county not just the water in Kentucky but all of the world of course we are in bourbon heaven right now we have people coming from other countries and states to to out there where's yeah yeah you you're we're seeing people from all over all states yes from people from London um and this is always a great weekend because all of these distilleries will bring out some of their best stuff and some weird stuff for example already one yesterday we already had started but they're doing a pickle whiskey and you know both Brandon and I

1:28:03could Brandon whiskey whether he's this is a super bowl um we both faced it and we weren't sure because it's weird right a pickle whiskey and it is one of the small it's one of my favorite things that I've had so far pickle whiskey um pickle whiskey don't talk it to each try it okay all right all right but it's only here for the festival so it's one of those things weird a lot of these distilleries will you know bring off bring like these one off pours to these one off bottles but you you get it here or you're never going to get it again type deal yeah kind of like the uh the the dark beer at Christmas the dark dark charge dark charge yeah yeah yeah the doubt yeah I've got some fun scoop insider scoop on that which will save for another day okay let's do that let's just about again this is in barge town Kentucky bourbon festival and uh if you want a play by play uh drambi dramb coverage Brandon spinner over at the whiskey weather has you covered that's on social let's pivot to October Fest here and we had not one not two but three October Fest happening all at the same time

1:29:06in our area you got that right this is this is my super bowl and we talked about October Fest I'm not even German and this is the best time of year starting now but the first October Fest is happening in Covington I'm a fan of this one because it brings all of all of the authentic stops very similar to our monster October Fest next weekend but just across the bridge a little bit smaller all throughout main straw new port is having theirs spring bro is also having theirs and this is the opportunity to get three different broad a three different October Fest and come out and wear your journal and your leader hosting your dwindle your which one's the dwindle again the dwindle the dwindle the dwindle is the women's stress oh yeah is the men um like it's a good look overall suspender look him saying yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's kind of I like I like the dwindle that's a good look uh in and and and it's very comfortable multiple stines as well I don't know about the leather draws though

1:30:07it's already gonna be sticky out and hot and I got to put leather draws on I don't know about that I do I have to admit for you man that does feel a little uncomfortable it really does it's a little like it's a little tight yeah it's a little awkward but I'm here to support it however maybe you need an authentic guard and you can't get the Amazon version of it maybe you got to get the authentic version for it to feel relatively decent um but you're right I'm I'm also here for the sign holding competition I came in what is that come in second last year uh at the actual October race sign holding race good for you bail rolling so rock on yeah you got you got of all going on all right but but three October Fest we've got uh global park of course with Braxton and Newport and then Springbro as theirs yeah Springbro has and then the Bigger Huna is next weekend yeah um that's our third day third day Friday Saturday Sunday um you got the

1:31:09Weiner dog races you've got all the sign holding competitions that's usually earlier in the week uh massive massive pen it only gets bigger everything will gear multiple stages multiple bands they bring out the chops and the best stops and um um I'm hyped for that as well right yeah it's uh yeah by the river yeah and Sarah leas will be there with her dog mini in the running of the Weiner's the only exercise that dog gets once a year that dog runs it's it sure yo I am waiting through the day that that dog heals over in that race respectfully you got you need a canine AED out there in case you coach that's uh that'll be a that'll be a a fun day uh that'll be something so also let's pivot here and I know you this is where we budheads like I just I never understood it I don't get it um it's not my thing I'm not gonna crap on it because I don't get it's clearly not a lot of people love it I just don't it's not my vibe and that is the Ohio Renaissance festival

1:32:11I'm surprised that you wouldn't toy around with going to the Ohio Renaissance festival you strike me as a guy that love to walk around with the turkey leg I'm just saying it's fine with a turkey leg but what what good came in 1572 oh the wardrobe again this will line up today it's all about the male that they'll be comfortable at odd rather than the leather draws yeah so I can't if people don't know what the Ohio Renaissance festival is it is a full recreated 16th century English village so for us ladies yeah we get to wear the weird long tight dresses with the corsets and the whole thing and I feel like this is a puffy shirt vibe for you men yeah yeah very time-telled as well no more leather to the chain male thing you gotta wear the chain now which is heavy it's breathable at least I guess or you could wear um a jousting oh can man out that yeah I don't know I just think of that whole air is disease and pestilence

1:33:13yeah um there's definitely a lot of disease don't drink the water that's for sure a collar around yeah it was a big it's like yeah like I don't know I wouldn't made it out of the that that period of time but we're just romanticizing as we're doing yeah there's nothing appealing about that whole era and humanity that that calls me out but clearly a lot of people do they're there for the turkey leg what else turkey like yeah so what do you do there they to paint a picture right they're recreating the 16th century English village there's permanent buildings that have been there for a long time and this is out in Wainesville I don't know if we prefer to start they do the cobbled lanes they have this jousting area they have a chapel multiple pavons it is this big 30 acre countryside it's all the recreation of it but what you do there you wander you watch full contact jousting competition so it's real armored knife head to toe they're unhorseback there's comedy there's different you know acrobatic shows there's afthrowing there's you know shooting arrows there's 200 plus artists installs and as we

1:34:18mentioned there's turkey legs there's beer um made all of the things and you get to see wizards and witches and teres and you get to dress up and I'm here for it I don't know it just seems like you know they got guys running around their jousting they've got the you know the wacky hat on it but they're still wearing like a tailor swift t shirt it's like yeah I'm going I'm going for art to authenticity when they take off their armor the way they're tailored for it yeah like I am good I'm good so it's fall season right and this is what I'm about to say it's probably the most white people think of all times yep the hidden valley orchard oh yeah 60 acres of it's a fall machine and I'm here to support it through and through we're talking pumpkin patches we're talking sunflower we're talking the best apple donut that you could possibly think of if you go to the hidden valley orchards Instagram page your map is gonna start watering it's watering already just talking about apple season I hear hidden valley orchards and I'm triggered I'm like a I'm like Pavlov dog I'm already I'm picturing like you know the apple dumplings and just just

1:35:18eating a nice crisp fresh apple that really actually unlike what you buy at the grocery store takes like a freaking apple you see about a caramel dip apple oh I do love me a caramel dip apple my wife is a thing for the caramel dips I miss when I was a kid you don't see him all the time that would be the candy dip that or it's got the cinnamon crunchy you know like this what is it like a sucker all you know I'm talking about oh yes and that will absolutely destroy your teeth yeah candy apple maybe once he yeah every once in a while somebody throw it in the bag for Halloween but that's about it yeah candy apple does don't don't sleep on the candy apple but go good good caramel apples solid oh caramel apple I do feel like I'm not gonna go in without being able to cut it but it is my favorite there's some peanuts on there yep and you can get that at at this hidden valley orchards but they do these are known for their apple cider donut mm-hmm and they make fresh icing they top it with cinnamon they also do cider slushies

1:36:22and like so a little berthin and that then now we're stupid that actually sounds apple with a little bourbon oh yeah I'm there for that right that's not really they are also doing a pig roast night which is pretty cool so they're doing a slow roasted pork sandwich fries they're doing that apple cider donut like this sparkling cider beer so dinner on the farm under the lights and they like to do Thursday pizza and burger night and live music Friday and Saturday so it's family friendly it's a lot of fun um and yeah I would highly recommend checking it out up in the Lebanon area so these are both these back to back the Renaissance and this further north for for you guys up there all right before we go we've got Bengals Home Opener Sunday one o'clock at pay corp Bengals Buck and Ears first home game of the season football is back in a big way baby and of course you got the free pre-game block party at the banks as always always oh you know it be popping around there whether it's stretch whether it's fully grail

1:37:24I say it time and time again we are still lucky as a city to have our stadium so central mm-hmm downtown um we're we're not the box girls of the world where you have to drive an hour and half two hours to get to the game so you know if you haven't had a chance to check out some of the tailgate during the season and wallets the warm and not cold I recommend doing that and every single one of these first downtown they're in between pay cord of the red stadium they have some sort of special running um and it's an absolute blast that's always my go to yeah yeah the so the block party thinks there's a 10 o'clock until one now our friends my friends at the DV8 are going to be there playing which is one of the all-time great party bands um see we got have bud light tailgate zone two that's that's really cool they bring in those they truck them in but there are those big bud light trailers but they open up and then they have the wee get a little shade and there's usually some seats that are tapped to the two the roll a

1:38:24couple of those in um like you said it's a one o'clock game so rise and shine looks like a big looks like a big pedal bus is what it does um and if you're headed down by the way just FYI because of the closures because the Brent spends bridge being redone some roads are closed down there and detours so just plan accordingly all right Alan I know you got to go and appreciate you have a great weekend she said alley martin eight of course whiskey weather if you want to follow the hapsin the barge town Kentucky for the bourbon festival that's going on and it's all brought to you this morning by our friends at French lick resort hotel casino and spa in lovely French lick slash west baton indiana just about two and a half hours from here more staying the time ledger party band from the eighties playing on the 10th of October uh you can you know walk the trails or bring the golf clubs you can get some golf in and no better place to golf I think in the midwest and then I've had French lick thanks again book here's time at French lick resort dot com it's local loop alley martin and scott's loan on the home of the best Bengals coverage 700 WLW since then hi this is highly breakman angel geratana Jeremy Colhane Pashkamp McDonald and we're the hosts

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