9-9-26 Scott Sloan Show

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3:07have decided to pull their flock cameras. They're automated license plate reading cameras from posts and polls around their facilities. Since an ad he doesn't use flock cameras later than show an all-beal joint, a little bit of a voice or reason as well, saying, hey, listen, you know what, I don't know if we want to get rid of these things. More than that at 11.06, but first though, he is the police chief standing up in a Pat Council chamber defending the cameras. Everyone is suddenly furious about and saying, hey, the same thing. Let's think about what we're getting. If we get rid of these things, what's that mean for crime? And it wants to have a public hearing here from the constituents to hear from the taxpayers. And what they want in Trent Nohion, Butler County, he is Chief Patrick Carter, the Trenton PD. Welcome, sir. How are you? I'm Louis Morton. Thank you for asking. Oh, I better switch over here. There we go. My speaker keeps talking out. I got you now. All right. So let's jump into the discussion here. It seems reasonable. I've been calling this for a while. The common sense to me is in an age of uncommon sense, is to simply go, hey,

4:07why don't we just see what the local taxpayers, the voters want for our community? I mean, if they want them completely gone, we'll get rid of them. But boy, it's such a good crime fighting tool. And I get why people are upset when it comes to their name, image and likeness to coin a phrase being taken, maybe being used by other jurisdictions. It's a concern. But I'm sure we can meet in the middle on this thing. As I mentioned yesterday, 11 and cubbing to both decide to get rid of them. Walk us through why you decide to stand up and for the council and the public and defend the program directly in setting of just letting it play out. Well, I believe it is a tool. It is a very valuable tool. And it is not applicable in all investigations or all situations. But when you run a small agency where we have a limited number of officers to complete all the tasks that a large agency needs to complete, anything that we could utilize that would be a force multiplier. We would certainly want to do that, of course,

5:07within constitutional constraints, which we are keenly aware of. But whatever tool there is that would further the mission of the agency and part of that is to improve the quality of life and Trenton. That's what we're looking to do. Is there something specifically that drove distrust in Trenton or is it just all the noise from other cameras and people going, hey, we've got them here. What about us? It was anything local or is it just a national and regional headlines about misuse? I would, there is nothing local. There is no report of misuse. There is nothing that occurred that threw up a red flag. It seems to be the national story, if you will. It just seems to be the next title wave of this pleasure with government or what the government is doing. And we seem to be caught up in it. And my city council specifically asked for a presentation and I put a short

6:09presentation together. And there's so much material. There are so many talking points. There's so much misinformation out there. I asked my city manager, how much time are you going to give me? 15, 20 minutes? He was like, oh no, I'll give you 10 tops. I don't know the 10th minutes is going to cover this topic. So that's so specifically to answer your question. No, there was nothing that occurred with an art political subdivision here. It's more of a national story as you wrap it. Yeah, okay. And so, you know, we hear stories about misuse and abnormal activities, things like that. People are, you know, what is the law? No, hi, what what what it's a felony, the fifth degree, if I'm not mistaken, correct for someone in a position of power authority. And that would be everyone from a cop to a dispatcher to just start essentially running names through the flock system, isn't it? Yes, sir. Misuse of databases is a fifth degree felony in the state of Ohio. And hopefully,

7:10I'm quoting the correct section, 2913.04. If I'm correct, that is a felony of a fifth degree. And as I said, and that, you know, people are going to do, I don't know why, sometimes we're only more standing. Yeah, people do stupid things for whatever reasons in it. In the, they just shoot themselves in the foot. They shoot all of us in the foot. And when they, and this is a crime, this is not just a policy violation. This is a crime. And as I said in city council, I, in many other chiefs, if they ever found that someone was crossing that line, excuse me, they would be terminated and or prosecuted. And I have no problem whatsoever, referring this through the Attorney General's office, referring to the prosecutor, Mike Moser's office from follow-up and possible presentation to a grand jury. You get what you get when you do that sort of activity that

8:10is just, you know, it's just way out a lot. Well, it was a story. I think it was at a Highland Heights, not Kentucky, but Highland Heights, Ohio, dispatcher there, they audited found like 20,000 cert on authorized searches. And I guess that's a concerning part is, you know, the misuse of technology, the fifth degree felony under the Ohio revised code, as you said, there's always going to be, you know, unfortunately, there's jailers out there, little sneak stuff into inmates, right, drugs and whatnot, to make a little bit of money on the side. And of course, they're fine. They go to jail themselves. There's always dumb people out there and opportunists. But again, I think the thing is we've got to find a way to flag that in the system. Once they start doing searches, it shouldn't get to 20,000. That's a concern. And I would agree with that. And I'll take this opportunity if you don't mind. There was a there was a member of the public that took the time and proposed a technology ordinance if you will to the city of Trenton. The gentleman took the time, did some research. It's a

9:11non-page document. He provided that to me. And I have to tell you, it's a it's pretty well written. There's some great outlines in there. And if my city needs to be the first in the area to put an ordinance in place that would prohibit such activity and not just prohibit it, which was already prohibited in the revised code, which we have discussed. But provide for guardrails, safeguards, periodic review to where we could ensure that we're doing what we're supposed to do. I would have no problem putting that resolution in place, presenting that to council. And if we need to have a verification process in place, I'm not saying a civilian review board. That's not what I'm referring to. But if there is a I mean, we have a personnel board in the city that deals with employment. And if there is some other board or some other entity, if you will, I would be open to that. But I'm whatever we can do to assuage the public to assure them that

10:19misuse is not taking place. I will venture to do that, which is why I'm inviting people for this dialogue on this particular topic. He is the chief of Trenton PDS in Butler County and Patrick Karin, the show this morning on 700WOWW. He stood up and said, look, we do not want to get rid of the flock cameras. I think it's a you're going to hinder law enforcement. But we need public input to make this happen. And so that seems to be reasonable. It seems to be common sense. And congratulations on being one of the few voices of common sense these days, Patrick, when they take it all down, mantra continues. You on the 15th, I know you're asking people in Trenton to come to do something normally. No, do. And that is a symbol. And you want to hear them out. I do. I have a first Friday of every month. I do coffee with a cop, Mr. Sloan. And I am available for three hours that morning. And none of the people that are lamenting about this topic ever show up. So perhaps I am not making maybe I'm just not making myself available at the correct time.

11:22Right. So I will make myself available in the evening. And I do welcome people's input. But I will say I want people to show up. I want there to be a dialogue. I'm already reading the comments that are on the internet. And I'm not even engaging that. It's a bad idea. It's a bad idea. The internet is undefeated. It is no way in the world. I'm going to be able to move forward in that in that venue. However, show up. Let's have a conversation. If you have an open mind and a good attitude, come on. And if you're wearing your new boots, go somewhere else. You want to have a dialogue and a conversation. I mean, there are people that just absolutely don't want to. Although I don't know how much other are those Russian and Chinese bots and people that don't live in Trenton or even an Ohio for that matter that are chirping on the inner webs, which is why it's just stupid to me. I don't like listen. If you live here, I'll listen to you. But if you live outside, you have no input in this. Shut the hell up. And as it is right now,

12:23you know, you're open to doing everything, including getting rid of the cameras. If enough people show up to say that, but do you, you know, you've got your finger on the Paul's chief. Is that what people in Trenton want? You know, it depends. You have a vocal minority. And you could, and there's a lot of topics, a lot of issues where there's a vocal minority. And that's my belief. And I could be mistaken. I could be naive. And the fact that thinking that this town hall might work and there would be other people that would show up and say, okay, I'm okay with it as long as there's regulation in place. That's my goal. Yeah. That's where I, that's where I'm trying to get. And I know I'm sticking my neck out by doing this. I'm already getting blasted on the internet and being compared to the North Korean dictator. I am in. It's crazy. They told me I was a Nazi. Go back to North Korea. I'm not really sure what history books they read, but you know, stand my point. Well, yeah, generally, Kim, he's not going to call for a public meeting and then base his decision

13:24on that. He's just going to do it and say it's good for you. Don't question me. That's not what's happening here, but that makes it. Yeah, and here's the other element of this thing for the people who don't want this stuff. You had a high profile. I think there was an armed robbery case that spilled over from Middletown to you guys in Trenton and also a missing persons case for that matter. Could you describe how flock made a difference in us? I can tell you that we utilize the flock cameras between the city of Middletown and I hope Chief Nelson's not mad at me for saying that between the cameras in Middletown and the city of Trenton and we were able to go back and figure out the path of the victim and then we were also able to determine the path of the suspect vehicle that followed said victim from a store in the city of Trenton into our city. Of course, the bank where the gentleman was using to withdraw money from the ATM, that camera didn't work, but our cameras did. That camera was non-functional. Our cameras worked. We were able to get a

14:28vehicle description. We were able to get a plate number. We were able to use other more heavily regulated state databases to determine identities of two individuals in the car, which led to a conviction. It worked out exceedingly well. We also had to the second part of your question. We had a person who was reported missing by their family. We don't know where they're at. We obtained the vehicle information of said person, loaded it into the system and we found it on the back of a tow truck because the person had been involved in a crash, was incapacitated, and they were unable to notify the family and the notification hadn't taken place yet for whatever reason. We were able to determine where that individual was and pass that information onto the family. It has its place and I don't want to lose that tool. Again, it's a tool. We don't use it all the time. In fact, in the last city council meeting, I think we had 11 million breeds and we had

15:35just over 2600 inquiries, which equates to 0.0022. I actually, I even laughed at if you want to, I had to look up how to even read that. That fraction is 2,000 to 2,000 of 1%. That's minuscule. That's really nothing. You probably had better chance of winning a lottery. We're not all up in everybody's business, so to speak. We use it when we need to and we want again to invite people in for a productive dialogue. Not a bit session if I'm allowed to say that only. We want to protect a productive dialogue and again, if people don't want to participate in that or they have ideas that are just not based in fact or the US constitution, then don't show up. Because a lot of people think that they know particular,

16:35I know what my rights are or what are specifically are you referring to because if there is a law in place, if there's a court case in place, recently, in the California change how we can pursue Mr. Meener offenders, if the law changes, then we follow the law. If there are court cases and I'm certain they're going to come down the pipe, governing the use of LPRs, then we'll follow whatever the court say and whatever the laws are or we will follow whatever resolution or ordinance has in place in the city of Trenton in order to be able to retain this valuable tool. You mentioned the Armory, Cass of the Middletown, the missing person case, missing person cases you detailed. I would say this for the naysayers, like, well, what if that were your loved one? Would you want the cameras used then if it was, I don't know, maybe it's your property, maybe your car gets stolen, maybe there's a hit and run, maybe, again, missing person's case. If it's your family member, you'd want that technology, wouldn't you? I would certainly want that technology

17:39and to use another illustration, we had a person exposing themselves and doing some very dis-taxable things and we utilized the flock system in order to find that vehicle and convict that individual that, again, was doing some very dis-taxable things in public in front of teenage girls. I have a daughter. I think that's it. If somebody was doing that and I'd be even more upset if the hit law enforcement looked at me and like, yeah, we're not going to be able to solve this because we don't have the tools that we need because of people's dis-pleasure distrust with that tool. Now, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but if the community provides me guidance as the department head as a police chief and says, Chief, we're okay with this. However, however, you have to follow these guidelines and this needs to be in a city ordinance. I'm great with that. Tell me what you want to do. Let's talk reasonably. Let's put guardrails in place and let's move forward. That's what I'm looking to achieve and again, perhaps naively so, I feel like

18:42I'm sticking my neck out here and the internet's already trying to follow me, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, because let's face it, most of those people there don't live in Trenton. And if you do, you wanted to show up on the 15th at the town hall. Is there any outcome where you'd recommend Council pull back or shut the program down? I mean, if I don't know, 100 people show up and they all want it out, is it gone? I don't know that I would say it's gone. I believe this, I don't think that this issue is going to be resolved in one meeting. I think it's going to take a series of meetings and in a series of suggestions in order to get something in place. And hopefully we can find a meeting in the middle and we can move forward. Ultimately, a city council says pull it or under contract, I believe, if through 2020-9. So if city council says pull it, then we'll pull it. I mean, I answered to the city manager, and he is the city council. I think it would be extremely unfortunate, extremely unfortunate,

19:43not to provide law enforcement with every tool possible. You know, we're a small shop. My minimum coverage on the road is two people, too. I get a domestic call for service. I have nobody available. I have a crash with injury. I have nobody available. This system is a force multiplier for us. I can give you an example of some young lady who had a protection order against a very violent person with whom she had previously been involved in a relationship with. And that protection order is nothing more than a piece of paper. However, if I load that person into our hot list in the flock system, and at 3 a.m. in the morning, we get a notify that that person who lives in the eastern part of Hamilton County that is now in the city of Trenton, well, you're not going to work. What are you doing here at Overt 30? Then I can send vehicles over to the protected person's residence, physically present to ensure that no one is doing anything to their property, or perhaps something worse. I can do that. But if I don't have that tool

20:46in my tool bag, then I have no idea that something would be... Never happened. Because back in the day, it was, you know, it was hot. She'd give you a little print out in the piece of paper. It says, okay, keep it out for these these tags. And you know, there would be a whole page of these things. No one unless your rainman could could sort all those out. So you're going to miss that kind of thing. That would even be on that list. That's like stolen cars or people were wanted. So as you mentioned, a forced multiplier in a small shop, he is the chief of Trenton police at Tend Butler County Patrick car. Joining the show this morning, I want to circle back with you after the 15th after the town hall. And here what people had to say. And if it sounds like, you know, reason wins the day, which is what I'm looking for here. Chief, all the best. Thanks again. Thanks for your time, sir. Yes, sir. Take care there. You have the 15th and Trenton. If you're a resident, that's, um, you're interested in the thing and who isn't. I think that's a great snapshot of the of the argument, a large. So let's just let's be reasonable about this. No one wants their data out there. No one wants people randomly searching. But, you know, if we're going to flip out and get rid of these things, look at the downside to that. And that are more unsolved crimes. I mean, crimes

21:48nationally are going down. I think this is a big part of it. I really do. Scott Sloan on 700 WLW. I'm not sure why we're playing the Austin Elmore intro is up. We'll save that for Friday. But I feel like Austin should be here right now. Scott Sloan on 700 WLW speaking of sports. Western Michigan, by the way, entering the season as the Mac, because I'm a Mac guy, BG Mac favor, the Bulldog Green State University Western Michigan Mac favorites. And watching that that Michigan game was surreal the other night. And I know if you're in Ohio State fan, you're losing your mind over this. But Ohio State, if that were Ohio State, you're like, well, we would never, we'd absolutely destroy them. And now I'm looking at that team probably. So, but you'd probably need Ohio State just to have like a flag throwing 10 seconds after time expired and get to redo it. But that was, I, I, they're still trying to explain this. And the president of Western Michigan, Western Virginia, or Western, Western Michigan filed a official complaint with the

22:54NCAA. And the NCAA says there's nothing we can do about it. Yeah. You know, coach took ownership of it. Coach, Sierra, and there are, you know, clock management issues and didn't blame officiating in the Mac formally accepted the big 10s explanation congratulating Michigan. There's no way that the NCAA is bad as they are would step in and go, yeah, you know what? We're going to overturn the outcome of a game. It's just simply not going to happen worth a try, but simply not going to happen. I still don't understand the difference between the stadium clock and the official clock, whichever knows it an official clock. But I'm going to watch and football my whole life. I don't ever recall that happening. It sounds like some of it, maybe there was a half second left on the official clock. But I think comments on sometimes kicks in going. Yeah. That's a half second. You know what? If we overdo, if we allowed them one second on the clock, when clearly there wasn't in the eyes of the crowd and not just in Michigan stadium, not just in the big house, but nationally, it's going to be a problem. I think, you know, it's one of those things where sleeping dogs, but that did not happen.

23:56Obviously to Michigan's advantage. Now they start playing real teams. We'll see what happens. Lonely on 700 W. W just wrapped up with a cheap Patrick Carr of Trenton police where they are calling for a, this is on the 15th day, an open house, essentially a public forum. Do your people's complaints about flock cameras? I know I've been spending a lot of time talking about this because I think it's such a critical issue for all our communities because every community, not every community, but it seems like our community, if not the town over the town we drive through, as a cameras up, we don't know where they are, what they do. We know they're collecting information and we have real concerns about where that information is going. I'm not discounting that. I've got a few DMs and emails, one from my buddy Greg who listens to show off, and I appreciate that. I just disagree on this saying, you know, you're kind of a cheerleader for the flock cameras. The concern is they're taking this data and they're selling it. And I get that that, you know, people, one of the main reasons people dislike them are because it's a private company and I'll take the collected, the data that they collect and then sell it.

25:00Okay, well, the way to fix that is not to simply go, okay, we're not doing this anymore. The way to do it is, okay, open the books up. We want to see where the data. What are we signing away? What rights are we signing away? And I guarantee you, as more cities get involved in this as they collect the data and then realize like, hey, you know what, the contract hangs in the bounds because guess what? Fox, Fox losing money because they invested all these cameras and putting them up and now taking them down because initially the first flock cameras are free. You know, it's a loss leader for them. We put the cameras up and you love them and then we'll sell you more. Well, okay, well, let's come up with the plan where we get the cameras. But we can have absolute roadblocks put in what it comes to the data. I'm not saying that that's a huge reason to do a new deal, but flock won't exist unless they can make money. How can they make money and also a swage everyone's fears? You know, but again, this is why you have public forms. This is why you debate discusses to simply say we're getting rid of these. I think it's a

26:04bad idea. I think it's a bad idea in Cincinnati and all people will be on council member. She just had a motion go forward where the city of Cincinnati is going to have 30 days to come up with answers and that is who's collecting the data? Where's the data going? Who access to it? How long do we hang on to things? Finding it out before we flip out and get rid of it. And I don't know what's going on in love and then that's close to me. But okay, we're done with these things. Well, is there any room for negotiation? Is there any room for common sense anymore? Because the extremes are, hey, we need more cameras to stop crime. We need cameras up all over the place. Okay. And then the other side of it as well, they're taking our data, they're selling it. God knows how long they're keeping the stuff. It's, you know, they're taking pictures of my license plate and doing God knows what with it. All right. So we want to get rid of it. Well, as soon as we have a high profile crime, what'll happen is something will go, hey, you know, if we had the cameras up, maybe we could have solved this. Maybe somebody didn't have to die. I mean, it seems to me it's in this era where we want to pay less taxes and that means less money for public resources.

27:09That means less money for things like public safety and roads. I can't have these cameras as like have another couple of cops out there. And as the chief said, it's interesting that, you know, someone who had a domestic violence restraining order against them, you know, if they came into town, the devices catch that tag and go, hey, this person may be on the way to Trenton and they don't need to be there because this person has restraining that's something a cop, you know, eyes wide would never catch. You know, if that were your mom or that were your girlfriend or that were your daughter or your wife, you're kind of going, wow, we should have these cameras up to help law enforcement do that. It doesn't mean that we should throw all of our personal data. So I go, hey, do what you want, whether they got it anyway. It seems to me to be more reasonable to sit down and have a public at town hall and go, hey, how can we, how can both sides of grandma's fair, right? We've lost our ability to negotiate and to come to common ground on things because of the extreme political climate in which we live. Plus we're also as chiefs, I think a lot of people chirping from

28:13outside, maybe even the country, who knows why are we looking online? Because we don't know, you know, anyone can post anything about anything happened in small town America or a bot can for them. I mean, you know, looking at stuff online, it's a terrible way for me to make to come up with policy, I think. Or I know for a matter of fact, I won't say I think I think it's a bad idea. Don't look at that stuff. Don't look at the comments, show up, or maybe if you get an email for someone with their address, it can be verified different stories. But yeah, I'm just looking at comments section somewhere. I don't know if I agree with that 1000% of the answer that grid was 0%. That carries no weight in my mind, no weight whatsoever. But here we go. So they're going to do this in Trenton. We'll find out I think it's a good litmus test. Other areas are completely getting rid of these things. So we got to control the data, what's being done with the data, we got to control how long they hold on to the stuff and what your restrictions look at it. And as you mentioned, on Ohio, if the cop starts, anyone for their managers looking up randomly,

29:15different license plates and trying to keep tabs on someone unless it's part of an official investigation, it's flagged already. Now I will say, and where was that up in Cleveland, the dispatcher did that 20,000 times. I want to know, okay, well, how come that wasn't flagged? I don't know. They popped them. Are you not paying attention to this? Because most jurisdictions, most cops say, yeah, we really look, we look at that stuff. It's not happening in Trenton, but somehow it's happening up in high on the heights of Ohio. I thought it was Kentucky, but that's Ohio. Yeah, and it's up to you, you know, it's up to you to keep an eye on your people for that matter. So I think we're paying attention to that. We take this stuff seriously. I think in the long run, it's going to be kind of like the AI thing. You know, no one wants AI facilities in their backyard. You know, we want to use a tech now. We're all guilty of it because we use it, but we want someone else to host it. Well, if we get rid of these data centers, that then means they're going to go somewhere. It's going to go to China. So if we're worried about our data and

30:19our information getting in the wrong hands, to me, that would be that would be like, well, maybe we ought to have some of these here. Maybe we ought to have some of these here. I'm going to talk this our movie guy in front. Well, I don't know if he's going to review it or not, but did you see I saw the trailer for this. Universal is putting out a Snoop Dogg biopic. And I'm looking at the cast and some of their likenesses like the guy who plays Biggie Smalls, the Tori's B.I.G. Bentley Greens, the guy's name. It looks incredible. And so does the guy playing Snoop Dogg. Jonathan Davis is stars in it. And I don't know if it's an authorized one or non-authorized because it has, you know, a tendency to go bad. We saw the Michael one and the music was really, really good, but the story was pretty inaccurate. It was it was trivial. I just wonder how deep they're going to get into the Snoop Dogg story. But damn, I pay money to see that for sure. Because the soundtrack's going to be good. But the people who are cast to play Snoop as well as

31:25a supporting cast too, look pretty damn good. So I'm going to circle that one. I always say that too. You knew might as well. Yeah, I got to go see that. And it's going to be so good in the theater. And then next thing, you know, like a week later, it's on Amazon Prime watching on watching on my phone. Got to miss the whole and the big sound system. You may have a decent sound system on your theater system on your TV, but it's not like the movie theater. And some things are just meant to do that. But I definitely go check that out for sure. Let's do this. We got a news update coming up in just minutes here as the weather starts to turn by the way. We've got some showers and thunderstorms. Showers likely, I guess later tonight as well, after two o'clock, we start to see a higher threat certainly by four o'clock. And then tomorrow looks like it's on off again, wash out, but we need a little bit of rain because the weekend looks like it's going to be really good. It's going to start drying out. And we get rid of this, this humidity one more time full forecast traffic weather, all that on the way in just minutes coming up at 10 07. It's patty foster. She is a formal constitutional

32:26attorney. And we know that Congress has a 10% approval rating. And they do a terrible job at doing that. They can't even keep the light time for crying out loud. Can't even come up with a vote and figuring out how to vote in the first place. And so you feel kind of like screw it like these midterms coming up. Who cares? You guys are not going to do anything anyway. She has a solution that might fix this thing. It's kind of a long shot. She's a dreamer. But she's on the show next. We can fix congress.com is a website. We'll talk to her about that next. Slow me 700 W W since. Hey, everyone. It's the Jonas Brothers with the Hey Jonas podcast. We've been catching up with some great friends Paul Rod Michael Blay Seth Meyers, Nile Horan, Jake Shane, and making some new friends while getting into what's really like to have sisters like Alex National. She likes to control everyone and tell everyone. Okay, well control is a harsh word. I would say that's a harsh word. I am more outspoken growing up a lot of the times because she was so quiet. I would speak for like the both of us. Now I'm working on like thinking a mom is really not thinking before I speak. And Joey King. You know if you're like mom is yelling at your sibling and even if you're

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38:5110% approval rating. Who in the rule has a 10% approval rating and still has a job? Congress. Leadership repeatedly sending lawmakers home early because they can't even come up with enough votes for even the most basic procedural measures. I mean, just keeping the lights on is a chore. As such, more than 40 lawmakers already announced they wouldn't seek re-election. I had these midterms. That's a record pace. And the main complaint is dysfunction, bitter partisanship, and ability to get anything done, no consensus. And that's why they're out. So we've got a formal constitutional lawyer that says, guess what? I've got to fix for this. We can fix Congress that can't even get their act together to keep the lights on. She's patty foster. We can fix Congress. Welcome, Patty. How are you? I'm great. Thank you, Scott. Thanks for having me. Yeah. You are a retired constitutional attorney and you decided, hey, you know what? Maybe there is a way we can use the Constitution to figure this thing out because the dysfunction obviously, as I just pointed out, is rampant and probably could go on the entire segment talking about their their failings.

39:55But what is the way you decide to spend your time rewriting the House rulebook instead of, I don't know, running for office or lobbying for specific bill or simply moving to Spain? I had to say that's a great question because I would love to do all of those things. But I realized there is an obstruction that would prevent me from being successful at any of those things. And that obstruction is Congress. I came to this project largely because my mom told me to. She was always a fixer. My mom was Stephanie Solar of Blue Ash City Council. She served for 44 years. So she was an activist. We all walked her talk and we all learned her mantra, which is we can fix it. That was just how she raised us and we would campaign for her and she got re-elected to Blue Ash City Council 20 years when I was alive. I want you to be alive. And so anyway, we can fix this with how I was raised and then towards the end of her life. She looked at me and she said, sincerely,

41:01you understand Constitutional law, you have to fix this. And I took it seriously. That's cool because my family, we're just a bunch of complainers. We would like, who the hell? You don't even vote it stupid. You're waste of your time. I would come to her family and I'd dumb. What are you thinking? And I guess with those two rules, meet though as a pragmatist, I guess my question be what makes you think they're going to listen to Patty? That's also a good question because I'm trying to engage people to realize that many of us are mad. Many of us are checked out. Many of us are angry or just feel disappointed in our Congress. Like you said, 90% disappointed. That seems like a pretty high rate. Look at keep their job when 90% of the people hate you. Exactly. And yet we hire them over and over. I'm going to point to the election of 2024, the most recent midterms. Congress's rating wasn't quite as bad as 10 back then. 17% approval rating. And then they ran for office. All of them, all 435 members,

42:07of the House and 91% of the incumbents who ran got reelected. So we rehired them. And a couple months later, they're approved of a rating saying down to a less 14% I think. So we're basically down to friends and family at this point in terms of who are groups of Congress. You're not wrong about them. You share it brown. He's running. I can come and fix things. You're part of the whole thing that's screwed it up in the first place. Now you're coming back to fix it. What are we doing here? Well, I'm trying to provide a hero's journey for each individual candidate to say out loud, I can fix this because here's what I discovered because I'm a geek and because I'm into constitutional law, the reality that most people don't understand is that the House of Representatives specifically, not all of Congress, because Senate is different. But the House of Representatives disappears completely every two years and rebuilds itself from scratch on January 3rd of the midterm elections. So these 435 people who we just elected arrive on January 3rd

43:15and they're all sitting there with no power, with no rules, with no pending legislation, everything's gone. And they start from scratch at 12 noon. The first vote they take is to vote for a speaker. The second vote they take is to vote for a rules package. And that rules package determines so much. What happens when someone proposes a solution to one of the solvable problems that we've been wrestling with for the last 30 years? Well, under the current rules package, mostly nothing. At every avenue, there's a place for that proposal, that solution, you just find it close in the trash. Okay. It takes a heroic of effort to actually find your way onto the House floor and be debated, amended and voted on. So you're considering Patti Foster of We Can Fix Congress, making something called a consideration bill and that if a bill qualifies for protected treatment, you'll get in a second what that means. If it hits a bunch of triggers,

44:16it's got to reach a defined threshold of co-sponsors, gets reported out of committee by threshold committee members, passes the Senate or one of the 12 regular appropriations bills, which qualify automatically. That's a lot coming out of my mouth. Put that in layman's terms. In layman's terms, that means if there is an idea out there that has broad support. And I mean broad support, like a third of representatives, I think it at least deserves considerations by the House. Not passage, not in its exact form when it arrives, but it deserves to be considered. So there would be at the moment, like I said, the defaults are all going into the trash can. Every single one, it takes heroic effort and one person's authority, basically the speaker, to say, okay, we can talk about this. Yes. I think the members of the House, who all claim we are fighting for you during their campaign. And we hire these guys to go and fight for us. And then on January, 3rd, at noon, for the last 30 years, they have given away any power they might have to fight for us

45:20by handing all that control to one person who decides what they can even discuss. So this is just a change of the default. There would be a pathway called a consideration bill, something that has enough support to at least deserve the House's consideration. And once it reaches that threshold, which could mean broad support within the House and or broad support, and that it's been passed by committee or it's been passed by the Senate or an appropriation bill. I can't emphasize this one enough. This is what keeps our government from shutting down. And those bills deserve at least consideration. And consideration means you debate it. And then you amend it. There's an opportunity to make it better, hammer out the details, and then you vote up or down. And I'm not saying these bills will pass. I think bills should get to the House floor and sometimes fail. I think that would be an interesting exercise for Americans to see how your representatives are trying their best. Fighting for you as hard as they can, making a bill better,

46:24including your priorities, trying to amend it. And then there's a vote. Can we come to a consensus or not? But that consideration is what's not happening. And that's why that's fair. Yeah, that's right. And it looks like they're actually doing so. Now whether they thumbs up, thumbs down, at least it's getting voted upon. Give me, do you have an example of like a real bill from the last few years that we all would know about that would have gotten unstuck under this rule? I do. I do. My favorite example is called COSA, which is the Kids Online Safety Act. 98% of Americans would love for our children to be safer online. And so many people agree. Like we're maybe overprotecting our kids in real life, but they're underprotected online. And they're up against algorithms that are created by a giant industry to keep their attention, to keep them hooked. So people want public policy. That's what public policy is. It's a solution to something like this where we feel our kids are unsafe. And there are good answers to this.

47:27We can regulate algorithms. We can make companies have certain ethical procedures that they follow. And that's all through law. So again, that's all Congress. We're fighting these battles sometimes in the wrong institution. We expect the president or we expect the courts to give us our answer. Congress is the one that's literally built to give us this answer. They're supposed to absorb this agreement and hammer out a solution that can reach a majority and then boom. That's our public policy. So with COSA, 98% of people like it, it passed percent. I think 91 to 3. I mean, you couldn't even get a bill that says that the fund rises every day to pass 91 to 3 in the Senate. So it's just overwhelming consensus that this is a good idea. Never gets to the house floor. They never actually talk, they never debate it. Or when they do debate it, they maybe they talk about it in committee, but it doesn't go anywhere. So we have no law to describe how kids can be treated

48:30online. And then the absurdity, I noticed that you said in your profile that you like to talk about irony. I mean, the irony of this is that it ends up in court. We end up with states suing meta. So states are now saying meta, you're harming our kids. And we're waiting for those two parties to settle, which they just did. They couldn't go on to a jury. But again, this isn't creating public policy. This is just moving money around. It's letting the courts decide what public policy will be because no one wants to go on a record for fear that it's going to be used against them, and they may lose an election. So this is about protecting their jobs, not about protecting the country. Exactly. And courts are not built to create public policy. That's not what they do. Of course, they look at the facts of one case. And if it gets to their decision, they decide who wins on those facts that are brought to them by the two parties. They can't interview industry officials. They're not handled in hearings and and hammering out solutions. So, um, so yeah, that's the irony. Now we've

49:36got a settlement in that particular case, meta created rules that it says it's willing to live by. And their stock goes up that same day. So are those rules really enforcing things that are going to make meta the most responsible or as responsible as we want them to be? They're shareholders think it's not going to hurt them at all. Right. So, you know, again, where's Congress? Congress. Where's Congress? Yeah, we don't have to do this exercise. If they would simply pass something that had wildly consensus of the US Senate and for whatever reason, the House just let it die. She's Patty Foster, we can fix Congress. She's local, a constitutional attorney, um, and talking about a plan to, well, maybe get that approval writing a Congress up from 10% to maybe 15% to be a solid, solid start simply because they don't really do anything. Her plan would, uh, essentially force them to vote on stuff and get stuff done. Well, maybe not get stuff done. At least take a vote. That's all we're asking for. So the first rule, as you mentioned, Patty was the consideration bill. You just laid that out. The second rule is the second is a pretty easy plan. Let's the House vote to

50:40close debate early. Um, so what, what's the explain that, but what threshold are you proposing there and, and doesn't that reintroduce the same majority control problem you're trying to fix? Well, actually, I'm going to back up a little bit from that question. Okay. Because my, my week and fix Congress is basically talking to two different groups. One is all about everyone who votes and who is either disappointed, discouraged, whatever. We can understand this. It's not hard. I, the book I've written 146 pages quick read and basically it will get your eye up and it will show you who's the right person to be mad at. And at this moment, the right person is Congress. So we can get to know this to the point that we say during the campaign, hey, you guy who wants my money and my vote, who is telling me that you're been a fight for me. Well, I don't believe that. Tell me that you will support a different rule package on day one. Yeah. Before you get my money or my vote. So we, it's giving people agency that asked for that. And it's giving candidates, like I said, the heroes journey. I mean, they're serving

51:46in this institution that has been broken like this for 30 years. This isn't new. And we're putting up with it and they're putting up with it. There's not a single person in Congress right now that ever governed under a different set of rules. They just adopt the rules basically from the previous term that's been their habit for a long time. Well, I'm looking for the 20 representative who will say, enough. I'm doing this job because I'm choosing to legislate. That is the job of a Congress person. And I'm not going to run for this job unless you, Mr. or Mrs. Potential Speaker, give us a pathway where we, the candidates who were just elected and now, and now said, we're going to fight till we have a chance to actually do that. And that gets us to the consideration bill. The rules that would get us a fighter, a real fighter in Congress would basically say at some threshold to show that there's broad support for an idea, it defaults to this path where Congress,

52:49the basic, Congress amendment and Congress votes on it. Because there is no default like that. And the default for important people, ordinary people do what the default is basically you check yes as opposed to no on the survey almost every time. So, so I'm giving these candidates a way to get these rules. And the rules themselves would be very simple. I'm talking, I mean, I wrote an illustrative rule, rules package that's in the book. I'm not saying Congress has to adopt this verbatim. It's just an exercise to say it's not that hard. Patty Foster and Cincinnati, Ohio, can write four congressional rules that would mean that you can't just throw something in the trash. If it reaches this threshold, you guys got to at least talk about it. So the threshold, you ask the number. I have not given a number deliberately because frankly, that's not my job. I need Congress and the rules committee to decide what is the right threshold. So as an example, I can describe

53:50what the threshold would have to accomplish. It would have to accomplish breadth, which means some significant number of people within Congress or the Senate or the fact that it's an appropriate bill means this has brought support. This is a real issue that a lot of people agree on this and it's time to talk about it. So what that broad support would be breadth? I'm proposing maybe like a third of the 435 people in the in the house would be sufficient to show that there is a broad number of people that want to talk about this. So I'm throwing out there the number, let's say 131 would be co-sponsors that would find on to a bill to make it a consideration. Okay, so another important thing it has to be debt to because what you don't want is for this to become the new filibuster where 131 people in the minority can occupy all of the house's time basically hijacked the time with all these consideration bills of the minority's priority.

54:53That wouldn't be a representative. Yes, again, there's got to be a balance there. I guess you know, bring this full circle patty, patty foster of we can fix Congress. So the whole framework though depends, we talked about the Senate, but depends on the House of Representatives adopting, voluntarily adopting part of its own rules package. But the problem is we know is the people who benefit the most from the current choke points are the same leadership and senior chairs who have voted a week in their own power. So realistically, what's the theory of change? It gets incumbents to hand away control. They have no incentive to give up. Why would they want to give up power? Well, like you said, it's the beginning. 40 people are choosing not to run. Our representatives are pretty universally miserable. And I've heard lots of them interviewed in lots of ways and they all come back to the same thing, which is Congress is broken. We're not doing our job. I'm tired of the scheme where I am just a puppet standing in front of a camera campaigning two years to get in office the next time as compared to legislating and solving problems. That's what I said I was

55:56going to do. So they're the ones that vote on day one that January 3rd, each one of those 435 people have exactly the same power as each other. And this is where the 20 comes from. If even 20 of those 435 universally held together on just this call to say to the incoming speaker, I promise my voters, I was going to legislate when I got here. And I can't do that under the current rules. I need to change in the rules that give us a way to at least consider broadly supported legislation will you help me. And they can withhold their vote for a speaker based on that request. That time between the election and January 3rd is when all these rules get decided, all the forced trading goes on. People can ask for changes in the rules in order to support a speaker. And the speaker is out there campaigning for this office of speaker at that point. So it's 20,

56:5620 across party lines said to an incoming speaker, that would include people within his party or her party. Yeah, sure. Sure. That compelling because they need every vote within their party. We're so, so evenly divided in the house and we have been for so long. 20 is a majority. Yeah, and that's why you called the movement just 20. And again, it is a patty foster. She's from Cincinnati. She's a former constitutional lawyer and it's come up with a plan to fix Congress. And it takes just 20 members to do this again, the website for more and for more of the book to it's we can fix congress.com. We can fix time congress.com and it's patty foster on the show this morning. Thanks again. I appreciate it. We'll talk again soon. Yes, ma'am. Have a great day. Scott Sloan back with more after news update. And Julius hits Julie on the job. Next we'll talk career laid itself just ahead on the big one. Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career Sherpa. Julie Bout.

57:58Yes, sir. Julie Dayoff today. She's got stuff going on. It's a bit a little busy and the show always goes on. You're on the bus or under the bus. In this case, AI is rewriting what entry level meets in the world for somebody to get an entry level job. And you'd start out learning, you know, from the ground of built from the ground. If that's not true anymore because of AI, what's happening is companies are automating those tasks that were previously done by entry level employees. And so what that means is if a new graduate, those employers expect you to have advanced skills on day one. They're still learning curve anymore because the easy step they got AI doing, you're going to have to really jump into the fray here. Joining the show is the co-founder and chief strategy officer at Kingsley Gate. They are in a global executive search firm, though for CEOs. C-suite members in his name is Umesh. Robert Krishnan joined in the show this morning. How are you? I'm good. Scott. Thanks for having me. Yeah, but this is a game change. I don't think enough people realize that we know about AI. All of us use AI in some way, shape, reform, the course of our jobs in our work day, makes things easier. But we know like when the computers came

59:02to play, if you're better around back then going, it's going to make your job so much easier. You're going to have all this time. And it doesn't. You just get more work piled on you. I think the same thing is true with any technology. AI is no different. But this this one changes it because now you have to come in almost, um, now I wouldn't say an expert in your field, but the bar has been raised. What are you going to see? How do how do you close that gap, I guess, then between college graduates and that new workforce? Well, I don't even know if game changes, sums it up. Scott, I think we have an existential moment here because if you know, you have always had a social contract, right? You go to school, whether it's a four year degree or a two year degree, you graduate and as a result, you get a job and you work your way up to middle management and hopefully stop management. But if there is no bottom wrong at all left, then what do you do? Why would you even want to go to school? Because you know, we spent all the time and money.

1:00:02So what really needs to happen now is actually most focused on the universities and colleges and schools rather than the corporations. So, you know, we've always taken us seniors and found positions for them. That's the social contract we spoke about. Or if you're a junior or a sophomore, you find internships for them. Well, now I think you need to put the whole thing on its head. You need to start placing freshmen in companies. And what I mean by that is if the company itself can help the college education cost, then the four years that the student spends there is focused on being ready for the second year inside the company, not the entry level. Which means universities have completely rethink their strategy. I had two company presidents at my home this weekend and I floated this idea and they said that is a radical idea. That's the kind of stuff we should be doing because we don't do anything. These four kids get out and have a job.

1:01:06It is exactly what we've seen in the trade industry down the other end in blue collar work. And that is companies going, hey, we don't have a talent. What we have to do is not only recruit that pay for their school essentially. Guarantee they're going to work for us for a few years to kind of pay that. But we will educate them train them our way and we'll train that workforce. That's been going on in the trades for quite some time. It sounds like that's the way colleges should be headed. That's exactly the way it should be headed. And by the way, companies have a vested interest because it's the entry level positions that fill the middle level positions three, four, five years down the road. If you have nobody at the bottom wrong, how are they going to fill those positions five years from now? So they will have interest. They will fund this. But universities need to take that first step. And by the way, high schools will also be involved. Just imagine a high school administrator. He or she wants to face students in those colleges that do this and not colleges that are waiting for four years to see if they can get to get a job or not.

1:02:08As a result, then, Mesh, are we going to see colleges refine their curricula? So to speak, because let's face it the first two years of college, there's a lot of filler and there are the idea we're you're going to be coming more well-rounded. As Ed, you can take in sociology classes and I'm taking psychology and all these electives and things. Is that going to go away? Is the knife get sharpened? Well, you know, tongue in cheeks, God, I think drinking beer in the first two years is going to be a past experience. I think what's going to need to happen is these students have come out of high school. Just like you pointed out, what's been happening on the blue color side? They need to jump head in and get expeditions of practical experience. We actually add company sites. So yes, the curriculum needs to change not little dramatically as to invert the pyramid and start getting practical experience on day one. Is that a lot to ask of an incoming college freshman, someone who maybe is, you know, 76, 17, 17 years old in some cases, that essentially they have to figure out what they want to do

1:03:11four years later and later in their life and honing that and going, okay, well, I've got to make a commitment when I go to college. It's not about me figuring it out along the way and maybe changing and my major subtly here and there. I've got to commit to a company and an enterprise which I don't I have no idea if this is what I want to do with my life, but that's a major commitment. That changes the whole college dynamic as well. This is what I meant by existential sky. Nobody is ready for this. You know, you mentioned this is another technology. There's one massive difference with what we are calling technology here. This technology can reason has logic and it does it enough to take. When you have something like that and you build agents that do that, thousands of them are going to be built. The good news is the kids in high school are already being exposed to this. So unlike you and I, I think you're going to start seeing a maturity level in high school graduates more than we've ever seen before, but there is going to take some time. It's going

1:04:11to be some lag between now and we reach that maturity. So yes, I think we're going to see a bloodbaths not just in entry-level jobs, but in children and kids making decisions about careers and they're not quite ready for. Are we going to see then as a result of this that colleges become more selective? The fewer young people go to college because of what you're asking of them that we're getting rid of general education requirements and I mean, let's face it, if you're going to get an internship as a freshman or sophomore at a big company, let's say Proctor and Gamble here in Cincinnati, you don't have any marketable skills that are useful to them. There's a disconnect there. Are we just going to see colleges revert back to the brightest of the bright who wind up going there as opposed to trying to get as many young people to go to college as possible? Yeah, part of this redesign has to be evaluating what students mean, what students can do, what the university needs to do in that particular company. You mentioned Proctor and Gamble. So if Proctor and Gamble is looking for somebody to go enter the marketing

1:05:13function, then it falls on the university to determine which student is best suited for that. So yes, as a result, Scott, I think universities and companies become far more selective and that is going to cause a, you know, construction in the workforce again. Much like any way you look at this, yes, is going to be a massive problem. Like law school, for example, you know, you will go, they'll go and actively recruit the brightest to the bright. Will we start seeing that with high school students where companies actually come in and go, here's your top 10 students or their particular, you know, they're actually scouting high school students to work for them and will pay for your college along the way. Is that going to happen? Well, look, a lot of what you and I are talking about is looking for crystal ball, right? No, nobody is absolutely sure. But if you're asking me my opinion, I think that's exactly what's going to happen. He is Umesh Ramachrachan. He is a co-founder of Chief Strategist at Kingsley Gate, they're a global executive firm, CEO, C-Suite people and talk about the massive change here with AI coming along that entry-level jobs, largely as we know them in the workforce,

1:06:18we're talking about white collar work predominantly, are going to go away because companies are automating those tasks, assigning to AI, entry-level employees aren't doing the basic bottom-level stuff. They have to come in pretty hot. They're raising the bar for new graduates and they expect advanced skills on day one because the menial tasks are being done by AI. You better bring something in the table. This almost has to change high school and it certainly changes what college looks like where you're actually becoming an intern in a company, your freshman year and the classes you take on image more specific to that occupation. The idea of figuring it out as you go to college has been dead for a while because of the cost, Umesh, but it's more so now because of the demand for your talent. So when you say real entry-level work starting freshman year, you're talking, is that a paid internship, unpaid entered co-ops entirely? Is it something different? What does that look like? Well, the way I see it, like I said, the company has the vested interest in this, right? I mean, they need to be filling these positions for five years down the road. So they want the best in the brightest and they want to train them in a specific way. Proctor Gamble may want

1:07:21one thing, but Kroger may want something else. And so the company because of that reason should pay if not a significant amount, a reasonable amount for that education. So I do believe you're going to see that. Interesting. So from your executive search perspective, our companies that eliminate or over credential entry-level positions, are they shooting themselves in the foot-long term by not developing their own pipeline for talent? They absolutely are. You know, one of the things in our business is we talk to CEOs around the world every day. And I can tell you, I haven't spoken to one CEO who's not concerned about this issue. And you know, sort of kicking the can down the road, right? Because right now there's no problem. Right now earnings are up, you're increasing productivity because you don't have anybody to hire at the bottom end, but everybody knows that that's going to discard the problem three to four years from now. Well, with AI taking over the you know, the low-level work, the road work that internships used to train for, you know,

1:08:23wasn't that also valuable for teaching them how to work in a workplace, you know, professional norms and work ethic and attention to detail, organizational culture. That's where you learn all that stuff. And just to kind of do a meeting of tasks, if that goes away, what does that do to that whole model then? I don't think it goes away. I think it actually gets enhanced because if you're, you know, we believe, which I agree with you, if internships helped in that regard, imagine if you're doing this almost full time through college, you know, I envision there is a lot of these classes that we held on campus, not the university campus, but corporate campus. So, you know, these kids are coming out of high school, are probably going to get exposed to things that you and I got exposed to maybe two, three years after graduating. So I think that internship model is going to get expanded to a work study model in the not-in-stinties. Is it over for the liberal arts degree programs? You know, it's fine. You bring that. I don't think so. I don't know what it will look like, but one of the biggest things that students need to focus on

1:09:28is critical thinking. And liberal arts is probably the best area of the humanities in college where students develop that. How they develop that to control AI, I think, still remains to be seen. Interesting. Okay, if you look across global markets where you place executives at your company, Umesh, are you seeing this crisis across, is it just America? Is across all countries, industries and sectors or are there ones that are still having that traditional talent pipeline? I don't know a single sector or a single geography where this is not a crisis in the making. You know, again, if you look at it today, today's lens, there is no crisis. If companies actually enjoy record profits because, you know, you're hiring fewer people, the product will ease out. But anybody who's looking even to a lens of a two to three year in the future, this is not just a small crisis, like I said, it's an existential one. Um, so who's responsible for fixing this? You mentioned high school, you mentioned universities,

1:10:30employers at government, um, they all got to work together, I guess. It's all of them. It's all of them. But I think it starts with the universities. I think universities need to seriously consider this because for them, it's a business problem too, right? I mean, as soon as everybody realizes that they're going to college for four years and spending a large amount of money is not going to end in a job. Why would you want to go to college? You better change the public to attract the students because we're talking about our livelihoods for the rest of your life. Boy, you know, I mentioned the areas that be responsible for this and it strikes me as universities with dig their heels and resist this with everything there might simply because it threatens the traditional learning model and anything that threatens the past is a threat to the fears of real concern for the future. Um, I think you're going to see colleges as probably ones that won't submit to this and they'll probably perish at the because of those decisions. Would you agree? Two things will cause that for them to perish either fear or arrogance.

1:11:33Fear because they don't know what to do or arrogance like this will not impact us. If they display either one of those two characters six, uh, Scott, I think they're finished. All right. So let's pivot then to this outside of universities, high school. What about mom and dad? What about kid? You have a younger child now, let's say. How are you preparing him for all this? That is probably the toughest job that being a parent who's toughest job to begin with and now if you've been told suddenly, let's say you have a kid in high school, you had this plan in your head for the last, you know, 12, 14 years, you even have a fight 29 going and now you have to deal with this, you know, uh, this is outside my lane in terms of, I'm so in Scott, but having been gone through it with my son who's now fortunately in the workplace already and therefore a little bit immune for this, I think that is the biggest challenge is for parents in terms of how to guide the children forward. I have no idea how you'd unwrap them to this and go,

1:12:36okay, it's all going to change in the next few years and I don't know if that's more core classes, more stamina and depending what you want to do because now you're asking, hell, if you're a parent, listen, that's going, wait a minute, you're telling me that not my, yeah, 13, 14 year old kid who most days I got a screen at it because they're missing the bus and you can't find their shoes in the morning and everything. All of a sudden they got to decide what it is they want to do when they're my age. Like that's a tough ask. It is a incredibly tough ask. Imagine asking a 16 year old to start making decisions inside of a corporation. I mean, some of these guys don't know what through half a lunch. Yeah, we've all been through that. So they're now making decisions. This is not going to be easy and there's going to be a lot of people, but it needs to start and in universities need to start planning this shift today. Yeah, but in that well, we, because we don't like change at all and certainly universities are, you know, they're held in tradition and you have legacy there. You have tenured professors. You have unions. I just don't see that

1:13:41happening until it becomes a crisis. Now some might impive it early and say, hey, listen, we got to peel the bandaid off and do this, but I would suggest most wouldn't. Well, we've seen this through history though, right? God, I mean, we did love the horse and buggy and we could have stuck with that. And then thank you, you know, six days to get to New York. So I eventually people will see it. My my fear is that the structural happened before the realisation. And if that's the case, you know, all of us in trouble. All right. He is the co-in-finder and chief strategy officer at Kingsley Gate. They're a global executive search firm and it's umesh Ramakrishnan in for Julie this morning on 700 WLDW. Thanks again for joining. It was really informative. Thank you Scott. Enjoy the conversation. Yeah, appreciate it. Man, that's a wake up call right there. College as you know, college is in crisis right now and it's been crushed for a while, but this is an absolute mind blowing proposition. Pretty exciting actually. So now you can go look at your 1450. You're on going, oh my god, how are we going to do this? Good luck with that one. Let me get this

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1:20:55question is who's watching them as they watch you. And yesterday the motion was submitted by Anna Albee joining the show now this morning on 700WL. W. Counsel member Albee, good morning. How are you? Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, so you, Seth Balls, Jeff Kramer, doing file this asking for administration of full report on the surveillance technologies being used. Now clearly, since that is not a flock customer, you use action, which does the body cameras that we see all the time. What specifically triggered you to file this right now? Yeah, I appreciate the question. This is actually something I've been working on since last year, if you can believe it. Last calendar year, I met with ACLU. And at the time, our conversation was right after Cincinnati had introduced drones as part of our police response. And really, what we discussed at the moment was just around transparency and what type of surveillance technology the city has. And the City of Dayton actually publishes a report. It's kind of a state of surveillance reporter, surveillance technology reports. Each year that describes

1:21:59the various tools they have, how they use the purpose, what the data sharing agreements are, or who access to that data. If there's the cost of it. And so that's where the conversation started with the ACLU. I keep teasing. They left me on red for a couple of months there. So we picked it back up at the start of this calendar year. And if you may remember early this year, I also let on a motion around making sure that our real-time surveillance technology is not being used for civil immigration enforcement unless there is a court order or a judge in a intervenes, they mandate it. So this is something I've been looking at is technology is powerful, right? So how do we balance both the needs on the crime prevention and frankly crime solving side of this with people's civil liberties? Seems reasonable. I would contend that other cities should look at that. And earlier on the show, I had the police chief of Trenton. I'd say that the

1:23:03large of the same thing. Like listen, we we saw a lot of crimes with this. Are we sure we want to get rid of it completely? And that's just Trenton and Butler County. I think they have 11 cameras. Chief said since NADD, we've got a lot more than that. And so the end result is a lot of these crimes are being, no, it's still crime is still a problem since NADD, of course. But we're starting to see property crimes or see a violent crime. A lot of these things are solved by the same cameras. People want banned. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that is the delicate balance we need to strike here because I will be honest. I'm personally in pushing for more cameras. Specifically in this year's budget, I fought for an additional a million dollars to put cameras and lighting up in parks and recreational areas where kids have been shot because we've had multiple young children who've been shot and killed. And unfortunately, we don't have camera footage or enough evidence to find the killer. So you know, this is a vital tool to address, you know, these awful situations.

1:24:03But we are also hearing from places not Cincinnati, right? I'm going to be clear, this is not Cincinnati, of stories of, you know, officers who are stalking women who are, whether, you know, domestic violence situation or women who are seeking health care. And you know, I get it. People are uncomfortable with the idea that they could be, you know, in a big brother's state. So we need to take those concerns seriously and be transparent and answer it's questions of the public. There's a lot of misinformation out there, right? I appreciate you clarifying. City Cincinnati, we have contracts with axon and motorola for our various camera solutions. And the reason why those vendors were different is because the plot contract has some boilerplate language that gives other law enforcement agencies access to any of that data from across the country. City of Cincinnati are data surveillance technologies just rough. And that's something I discussed with CPD and our lawyers last week. It's someone from Coveington calls and wants access.

1:25:08They have to talk with our police answer questions, you know, have a reason for it before we share that data. That seems reasonable. And yet, there's areas that are completely pulling things down. And at some point, I'm serious crimes going to happen. I think, oh, if we had to cameras up, maybe we had a chance of catching them because we need more tools in the arsenal, not less. And so specifically, Anna, you're looking for what data you kind of touched on a little bit, they're a bit clarified in the next 30 days. Do you want to know like retention rates and who gives access to the product, etc. That kind of thing? Yeah, so the motion we submitted yesterday had two parts. The first part is within the next 30 days, we're asking for a presentation from the administration around what type of surveillance tools we use, right? We've looked off a handful, right? We've got cameras, license plate readers, drones, body-worn cameras. There are probably a few more than I'm not even thinking of. What they are, who has data access to the data, right? The data sharing agreements in place. Again, my understanding from them last week when I

1:26:11talked with them was that just for the instant. But let's share that with the public. What is our data retention policy as well? How long are we holding on to that? Obviously, if there's a crime that occurs, let's keep all that data or all that footage until that piece plays out. But most days, most streets, nothing's happening, right? So do we really need to hold on to all this footage for a year if nothing happened on that street? Because that's one of the things I discussed with the ACLU in terms of how we can make sure this information is not being misused. If it doesn't exist anymore, it can't get misused. So looking through that and having the administration present to Council, and let's have these conversations about what's in our contract and all that publicly. And then the second part of it is asking the city administration to law, the department to present an ordinance for city council to review. That would include codifying some of these terms, right? Good data sharing agreements, how long we're keeping the data

1:27:15publishing a report like the one in Dayton that I mentioned previously. And then also, I would like to see Council oversight of the use contracts going forward. In the past, they've just been negotiated with law enforcement or xlg department, which is how we do most of our contracts. But obviously, given the rate that this technology is evolving in some of the concerns, I believe it's right that us as local officials have oversight into this, because we're the ones accountable to the voters at the end of the day. So that's the last bit of it from my perspective. Yeah, it seems like the sharing and how long we hold the data element. Those are the two biggest concerns for the public. Was that the same for the ACLU and I'll be? Yep, absolutely. Those were the two areas that they highlighted to be something that we provide oversight and clarity around. And I'll be honest, I'm starting to see even flock themselves as a company or looking at their own policies. And I believe there might even be some discussion of the Ohio State House around this. There is governor attended for governor or really

1:28:17releasing their policies. So this is something that's obviously the top of mind for people. I wish you would have gotten this done last calendar year, but better late rather than never. And I feel excited that this is the first step. I know it will lead to more conversation, but I can confident we can really strike the balance between the crimes, solving crime prevention piece and making sure people feel safe and protected and have their civil liberties respected. These days, as you know, being a politician that people love to put words in people's mouths, including the ACLU, the Civil Urbanies Union. And it sounds to me like, yeah, we recognize it's a valuable law enforcement and crime fighting tool, but we have to be responsible. They're not totally against cameras at all, right? All ACLU speak to their platform. You know, actually, I will say in my conversations with them, I made it very clear, you know, we use these technologies in ways to solve crimes. I even mentioned to them, we have our crime gun intelligence

1:29:18center where we're collecting, which with shots, if they're shell casings left out, we collect those and we're able to use that to trace crime guns. And hopefully the shooters of those crime guns. So there's a lot of instances where, you know, I made it clear, we need to keep these in place because public safety is the number one priority. So it really is just striking that balance in the transparency piece. I feel like I haven't said that enough today. But just being transparent with the public, there's a lot of stuff online right now. And I think, you know, there's even some misinformation, some news reporting out what's keep saying, you know, there's so many slot cameras in Cincinnati. And people think that's the city of Cincinnati. And so trying to even differentiate, you know, no city of Cincinnati is an entity that has their own contracts. We don't use blocks, but a private company could get a block camera back I spoke to a owner of kind of various apartment complexes and they use blocks on their properties. So, you know, just having that transparent conversation with the public about what we have,

1:30:22how we use it, I think is step number one. Yeah, because there's different and competing products out there. I get it. You're also calling for an annual status surveillance impact report. I think that's smart every year. Kick the tires and see where we are on things. If it, you know, the hose needs to be opened up or closed up, there's an opportunity to examine the data and do that. Absolutely. And again, could you date and does this? You can google it if you type in, you know, city of Dayton surveillance reports. It'll pop up and the kind of way they break down this information is around what type of technology right? They might be looking at body, one cameras. How was that data shared the impact on crime? They have a section on that, the cost of it. And even the highlight if there's any citizens in place around that technology. So, I've shared that with our administration to pass along to CTP and others. And this feels a little very basic information. We are here. I do want to be clear. We're not asking the city administration to make a map of where every single camera is. I know there are

1:31:25concerns about, you know, well, the criminals know where the cameras are. You know, they'll tell, out smart. We don't want to do that. But I think it is right for us to be open with the public about what we're using and how we're using it. So we can hold ourselves accountable. And hopefully prevent some of the abuses we've heard about from across the country. Councilmember Anna Alby, Cincinnati, on the show this morning on 700WW Sloane, we are talking about a motion she filed yesterday asking for a study to be sent back to her and counsel in the next 30 days relative to automated license plate reader cameras APLRs flock and axonist with Cincinnati using a flock of axonist company Motorola. It wants to know where the date is when and how long do they hold on to it. And then come up with some reasonable solution here to keep the cameras up. But make sure your anonymity and your data is protected. That's a fair thing. Are you hearing anything from constituents on this? Is this a nation? Yeah, absolutely. It's funny. You know, my husband's always like a little bit removed from the craziness. But when I start

1:32:26hearing questions from him about it, I'm like, okay, people, this is something out of my forefell. It's made it into the Cincinnati subreddit. What's on that on? But no, there's a lot of conversations. We're getting emails. I hear about it when I go to community councils. Again, I started this conversation with the ACLU and thinking about this last year when we introduced the drone because of that time, I remember being at a community council and people were worried about the drones and how they were being used. So again, a lot of this is transparency. You know, when there's a lack of information, people make up stories. That's just human nature and complaining what's happening in Cincinnati with some of these national stories we've been talking about. So I just want to make it so we have this open transparent conversation with our constituents. I personally, based on my conversations with Cincinnati police and our law department, they're really confident that Cincinnati is being very responsible with this information now. But let's codify it. Let's make sure that's written down in law. So when it's the next police

1:33:27chief or the next city council and the next mayor, right, for years to come, we know these protections are on place. Finally, I've read light camera debate. We talked about the before. You were concerned about equity, about placement, that disproportionately targets certain neighborhoods and obviously be a race and class issue there. There's the same concern applied to where these license plate readers and drones are deployed. You know, that's a great question. I think, you know, with the drones, my understanding is we're using those as first responders. So calls for service come in. So we're responding to a call for service. The license plate readers, I don't know exactly, are strategy. I know we've got them across the city and not just that, right? The sheriff's department has it. And that's really to be able to, if there's a car pursuit, or we're trying to track something, we can follow that. So to me, that's a blanket out everywhere because you don't know where something's going to happen or pop up. And so, again, these are questions. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about,

1:34:28sure, publicly with the inside police and the legal team, you know, how we're making these decisions on placement. So we, but my understanding is, you know, we want to be responsive. If a crime happens, no matter where it happens, and the city is Cincinnati. So making sure we have good coverage and all 50 neighborhood. Yeah, it's not like people just commit crimes in their own neighborhood. I mean, that's more likely, obviously, but having them all over the place, my car gets stolen. I want to make sure that there's a plate reading camera that can catch words going. And once that hits home, I think a lot of people get it. She is council member Anna Albion Scott Sloan show on 700 W. I know you're part of mom's demand action. Gun violence is a big part of this and solving those crimes. I would think that the Ryan Hinton case would not have been solved or at least found, you know, I mean, look, look where it led them. And that had to do with ALPRs. Finding where Ryan Hinton was at that time stealing cars, which of course led to, well, that whole, that, that whole disaster, that whole crisis for sure, tragedy, if you will. So I get the, I get the need for this too.

1:35:29I'm, you know, for people who would label you as someone in a part of the, you know, defund police crowd, speaking of political ads, it's kind of funny that this seems to be, if you want to help de facto defund police, I mean, limiting drones and this kind of technology is kind of like that. And people who complain about defunding the police and, oh, this spread there for this is kind of like defunding the police. I want them to have this tool. It sounds like you do too. Yeah. And I want to be clear, we on the Society City Council, we, for operating dollars, two thirds of our operating dollars were spent on first responders, police and fire, you know, so to me, it's about responsible investments. And I want to make sure we're, you know, directing the issues in the best way possible, right? So that's why even with how since I police responds, I'm a big supporter of the work we do with women helping women just send out advocates to respond to domestic violence calls where helping people on the scene, we have a victim assistance liaison unit of social workers embedded within Cincinnati police

1:36:31who respond when there are these really horrific shootings and they help families in the weight of gun homicides. So that's the type of really smart investments that I believe in. And technology is an important part of it. Again, I said earlier, I advocated earlier this year to get a million dollars additional investment into life and cameras specifically in parks and rec areas where kids have been shot because we have parents out there who don't know who killed their kids and we owe it to them and to every resident in Cincinnati to catch those killers. Yeah, we were just complaining about how we didn't have enough cameras and cameras weren't up and now people want those cameras down. It makes no sense to me, but I'll leave it there. Thanks again, my friend Anna Albee, Cincinnati Council member. We'll talk again on this. I'm sure to be well. Appreciate it. Thanks. Take care. We got a news update happening in just a few minutes. Here on the big one 700 W all W definitely an issue to our times, correct? And just to hide it is the snow report. Sarah's got a lot to snort about, including the fireworks. We'll recap that just ahead on 700 W W there. Oh

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1:38:41Because there's no blame. Oh my god. Who cares? They'll wrap it up in LA tonight. Yeah, wrap it up. 10 first pitch. Very. Right. Louder on the mound against Yamamoto. Did they win last night? 3 to 2 is the final. Not the Reds. No. But Ellie De La Cruz was definitely showing off in LA last night. Trying to get a job at a better team. That's why he's out. Why does everybody question and Joe Burrow? Are there going to stay? Should be Ellie De La Cruz. Shouldn't who are these bangles fans? A stop. Who are these bangles fans, though, that are questioning Joe Burrow's loyalty? I don't get it. This is I said this this morning when I came in to Rikichino who's listening to a clip of this. And I said, you know what? This is the worst time of the football season right before the football season starts. Because people. The football season is here. Well, I know tonight. But yeah, there's nothing to talk about. So you've got to amp it up. And so people just make stuff up. They make making stuff up. I'm just a state worshipper. Dude, they've been making stuff up and it's so weird. So. He's not going anywhere.

1:39:42Something not made up trending all over social media during an exclusive with Jeff Hobbson of bangles.com. Joe Burrow told him I'm here for the long haul. I'm not going anywhere. And Joe went on to say I'm just really proud to be the quarterback of the Cincinnati bangles. He said I'm happy to be here. I'm proud to represent the city of Cincinnati, the state of Ohio, the Brown family. He said, I just want to make everybody else proud too. This man is ready to win it all. Slowly stupid is what it is. Stop already. He's playing the season. What happens after that? Who knows after the 2029 season? I don't know. He'll be what 32 33 years old by then. Joe Burrow so stupid. Joe Burrow is going nowhere. On the other hand, Ellie DeLaCruz. He's gone. There's no controlling. Ellie, you know, I played well in in LA. Here we go. It was an interview. It kind of did seem like that. I'm like, you're showing off a little too much.

1:40:42Yes, you are throwing the ball at 105. I got to do three miles an hour. That thing is still traveling through LA. You know, I look great in Dodger blue. He looks a lot better in red and white. What's the play for a winner? Joe Burrow. Let's see what happens this season. Let's go. The journey to the limbaarty. It all starts tonight. You got the Patriots at the Seahawks. 820 kickoff. And I don't know if you need something fancy to watch it. I think it's NBC and PC. You can actually watch it on regular. I think it's NBC and PCock tonight. So anyways, but the first thing, the first things first year, we got to get the Bengals to be Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this Sunday. Now Baker Mayfield is six and two against the Bengals. And he just signed that big three year, 165 million dollar contract, a historic contract for the Buccaneers. So this dude's going to be all fired up coming in here on Sunday.

1:41:45Slurney, what do you think's going to happen for this home opener? I just relished the fact that this is a guy who couldn't make it in Cleveland. I know. And I just signed this huge contract. And he's just rolling with the Buccaneers. Rolling. Rolling. Rolling. Rolling. Hopefully not rolling in wins. How about this? Yes. The Bengals just win the first kick. You got to win that first game because how often does it happen? I feel like they never win the home opener. Please start the season with a win. His record in September is losing his record, October 10 and 10. Okay, so that's not so good. No, that's not good at all. I don't want it to get down to the final game of the season where we're relying on the Kansas City chiefs to help us out. I'm so tired of that. I'm tired of our teams. Red spend the semifixion. Relying on other things to happen. The fall apart for us to be successful. Now just go dominate. Right. You got the you got the tool. The only big question I have offensive line. Let's see what happens. We'll see what happens at all. I never saw it. I never noticed about that.

1:42:45But I think defensively much, much better offensively. You got what you got. It's that one piece of the puzzle. Also trending on social media. The Bengals have introduced a new menu for the upcoming. For the upcoming season. Hey, this is the stuff that's trending this morning. Got to eat. You got to eat while you're at the game. What's your go to when you're at the games? I feel like I don't really eat a lot during football games. You know, baseball games. Yeah, I'm constantly munching on hot dogs, ice cream, peanuts, popcorn. Yeah, simply because I think you like your tailgate. Yeah, yeah, you know, I go to Skyline, Chile beforehand. That's that's usually not go to or like a first. Yeah, I mean, in stadium probably grab a hot dog or something. Oh, well, they got this whole thing. So they say they've offered a mix of traditional favorites and gourmet options to enhance the game day experience. Like smash burgers, beer battered onion rings, and some local favorites like Penn station,

1:43:48Mizzunte and these chicken. Now, Ron's roost. Not Ron's roost this time. Maybe someday. Let me tell you. Mizzunte. Tate. Where it's at. When I'm down town, if I'm like that, I'm going to have Mizzunte. And Penn station. Give me some french fries, the chocolate chippers, a big stuff. I like when you bring the food in from around town, because you get the tea, tea, tea trays, so you get the sample. Since the local favorites, yeah, if you got some Tampa Bay people here, any try one of our Penn station stuff. I'll have that tired, what sports service stuff. You know, you're going to have dogs and pretzels and all that stuff. That's fine. But yeah, give me a little local action. Now, if you're fancy like Tom Brennan, and you're hanging out in the sweets and the club level seats, they've got this new thing that's trending on social called Kansas City barbecue. Then up this. I locked her up. Oh, that was a that was a third pitch looking right there.

1:44:50At the knees. She's taking my head. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There is this thing. Too soon. I know things soon enough. There is this thing. I hate you. It's called the seafood tower. Okay, it includes. It includes snow crab. She can't get through it. This is fantastic. I'm so mad right now. Still, but it includes snow crab claws. I don't want Oakley greens to get mad at us. You being lobster tails. They're loving it. Are you kidding me? This is going to be shared. Go to Oakley greens. Shrimps and doodles. Yeah. So would you would you eat this seafood tower while you're at the Bengals?

1:45:51By the way, they do play the chiefs on December 13th. That is the same day of Taylor's birthday. So I would assume she'll be celebrating her birthday here in Cincinnati. Okay, so they may have a Kansas city spread. The answer is no. I would not eat seafood at a stadium. I don't know if I would think about sushi rolls at Shavez Revee. I can eat some sushi rolls out of. Well, I would the Dodgers game. I don't think I need a thing. Dude, I want to keep it basic. Yeah. I like that's so funny to me to be thinking about like drinking a beer. And like you've got like your little crab leg in one hand and you're rooting for Joe Borough holding it up like a number one. Like a foam finger. Right, that's kind of that's that's like the same. Teal of the eat that in the same people but like a fruit bowl to a tailgate. Oh, no, I don't look at this fruit bowl. The veggie trade people. I brought a fruit bowl. These are veggie trade people for short. Yeah, no, no go. Also, they've got October fest themed items. In honor of October fest Zinsanati happening next weekend.

1:46:52Nice. They've got this schnitzel sandwich. Oh, now there you go. I can get down with some schnitzel. It's some schnitzel. Some Texas style smoked sausage and other unique offerings like egg roll burgers and Thai style pork belly. All of the new items that you can get it starting on Sunday, a dork. Coming back on like a bad like bad seafood tower football game. No, no bad seafood towers. Yeah, I'll have the sushi. The Cincinnati sushi is about the Bengal roll. That's good. Oh, no, the Bengal roll at ENO. Have you had that thing that sushi over at ENO? I haven't. No, dude, it's so good. Yes, it's delicious. I think I'm going to get on Sunday actually after the game. Go there and get it. Don't get right, right? Not to crap on the stadium. Yeah, I'll eat what you want to eat. But I'm like, yes, we're our seafood. That's always kind of tradition with me and my friends after the first game. We make a reservation at ENO since it's right there outside of a park where we all have a big dinner together.

1:47:53Hopefully we will be celebrating a Bengal's win on Sunday in all of our orange and all of our glory. Please, before Joe burrow leaves, we need to stop being one of those dorky Bengals fans. I don't know where these things are. Pack the national. They just make stuff up because we need a hot take and there's nothing going on. We just get bored and we just put words in Joe burrow's mouth. I don't get it. It's over. We'll focus on the season. She's Sarah Lisa. It's just not reported by friends at Oakley Greens. Yes, with over 40 TVs, two bars in a huge patio. It's since the night he's home door for every game all season. All right. She is tomorrow morning back on with Shroom on EBN. Yes, we are back together again. Did you enjoy the fireworks by the way? Fireworks spectacular. Best damn show ever. Ever. Literally ever. The soundtrack was incredible. Was a billion out of 10. It was just the most perfect day. The weather was perfect. The lot of fans at the whole. Everything. No complaints from start to finish. It was just the best day. Yeah, if you missed out, you're really missed out. Big 50. You really did. Yeah, it's to Western and Southern.

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