In this episode, Sean sits down with Dr. Ben and Dr. Shawn Javid from Smilebody to break down the real mouth-body connection — and why “oral health” is bigger than just brushing and flossing.
They explain what biological dentistry actually means (most people have no clue), why they focus on root cause instead of symptoms, and how hidden issues like root canal infections, cavitations (NOT cavities), and toxic materials can quietly impact your energy, inflammation, sleep, skin, and more.
You’ll hear why Smilebody built a first-of-its-kind facility combining biological dentistry + functional medicine + biohacking therapies under one roof — including hyperbarics, red light, IV therapy, and advanced imaging. They also cover the right way to handle mercury fillings (and why rushing to remove them can make things worse), plus the truth about modern “white fillings” and microplastic concerns.
If you’ve been dealing with chronic symptoms you can’t solve — this conversation will change how you think about your mouth.
What you’ll learn ✅
🦷 What biological dentistry really is (and what makes it different)
🔎 How hidden infections can show up with no pain
🕳️ Why cavitations are not the same as cavities
⚠️ The truth about root canals as a long-term solution
🧪 Why materials matter: metals, BPA, microplastics, biocompatibility
🧠 Why the mouth can affect inflammation, fatigue, skin issues, and recovery
🩺 How functional medicine + dentistry works better together
Chapters (Timestamps)
0:00 – Why doctors + biological dentists should collaborate
0:11 – What “biological dentistry” actually means
1:02 – Smilebody’s new facility: dentistry + functional medicine + biohacking
3:15 – Root canals: when it’s “temporary” vs long-term issues
4:35 – Hidden infections + why CT scans reveal what you can’t feel
6:47 – Cavitations vs cavities (huge difference)
9:10 – Wisdom teeth + how cavitations form after extractions
10:33 – Meridians, teeth-as-organs, and the mouth-body connection
16:22 – Fillings: plastics, BPA, and choosing biocompatible materials
19:10 – Bad breath, oral microbiome, and nutrition-based fixes
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Dermatologists should be working with the biological dentists because we can help them achieve their goals with their patients instead of just treating symptoms.
We want to treat root cause a lot of times that root cause is a hidden action.
Well, I mean, one thing I want to say, I mean a lot of people don't know really what biological dentists means.
You're throwing that word around and people don't know what that means.
So basically we're like healers. We're looking for toxicity.
We're still going to make you functional. Like, you know, dentists, the way we're mechanics, you're going to get your functional so you can eat.
But the biocompatibility of the materials we're going to use is so critical.
So we make sure the materials that go in there, there's no metals, everything's metal free.
Biocompatibility with your body, it's not blocking meridians, so your body can function properly.
Because dentists, you doesn't recognize that at all.
It's just any kind of material that goes into mouth is fine.
But they don't recognize that the teeth and the body are really medicated.
It's not even connected.
You're changing the wheel in the car.
Like, it's not connected. It has nothing to do with each other.
But it's still connected in so many ways.
I'm not just blood, lymph, but also...
So that's bio dentistry.
And we collaborated with other biological dentists throughout the world now.
All right, guys, we got Dr. Ben and Dr. Sean here today from Smile Body.
We're going to talk about oral health, fellas. Let's do it.
Yeah, man. Thanks for having us, Sean.
Thanks so much.
It's always a pleasure to hang out with you.
It's absolutely.
What's your sense I've seen you?
It's been almost a year now, I think.
Well, we're we're in in our new facility.
The Smile Body facility that we built that kind of, you know, I told you about it a year ago when we hang out last time.
And we're year in. We built this facility to kind of encompass much more than biological dentistry.
Reviewers, you know, we'll get into it with biological dentistry if anyone doesn't know what that is.
But we combine that with a lot of therapeutics that are not being utilized in the world of medicine or dentistry with, like, you know, hyperbarics, red light, infrared, IV therapies,
just a whole medical side, medical director, and a pediatric clinic.
So it's a 7,000 square foot facility.
Well, it's never been done before.
There's never been a facility that functional medicine, biological dentistry, and biohacking equipment, all in one facility.
So we're like so proud of it.
And it's been like 18 months now.
It's pretty exciting.
You'll be there.
You're going to come in soon.
Yeah, that's very exciting.
February, February.
Yeah, I can't wait because before you would have to separate all that, but now you can just go to one spot.
You know, one spot.
You know, why it makes a lot of sense for us is because that's how medicine should be.
Our goal is to bring the different true modalities all in one roof more.
Not only necessarily in one roof, but collaboration is the concept.
Because right now, we have our team, but really, on a day to day, we're actually collaborating a lot with medical doctors and other providers that are not dentistry to help heal patients.
Like Dr. Pompa or other doctors in around the country, we work collaborate together because we have a big part on their therapy.
Because as you know, the mouth is a lot of times the source of toxicities between, besides heavy metals and hidden infections or, you know, obviously, root canals.
You know, you know, all that stuff.
All these things are so much in peeding people's health health issues and they can't get past.
If you don't get past that these issues, you constantly have that leak.
So collaboration is the key.
Yeah, I didn't want to ask you guys about root canals because I showed him my scan and they recommended them.
But you actually told me not to get them.
Oh, yeah.
You cannot.
Well, we always talk about for temporary fix, very short temporary.
If you're in pain, it's okay to take the nerve out and do maybe a root canal treatment, but long term, there's a lot of issues with long term.
Not only blocks meridians of the body, which is very important causes issues, but it's releasing micro toxins because it's a dead organ sitting in the jaw and the body cannot regulate your immune system that cannot regulate it anymore.
So it's like a foreign body at that point.
We did our share.
I mean, Sean and I both, we did extra education.
We did a lot of root canals.
We did a lot of the high level.
We thought we wanted to be the best dentist we can.
You know what?
You know what?
But after we learned about a lot of the issues with it because every root canal tooth, that's ever been extracted if you test it.
And there's a lot of studies on this.
There are inflammatory markers and bacteria that are leaking from these root canals in your body.
And we see it all the time because we actually have the capability.
We send it to get DNA analysts and we see the bacteria around these teeth.
And even the bone around these teeth, it's always unhealthy.
So it's not a great lecture on that.
It's hidden infections.
So we do CT scans.
It's very critical that you were saying.
So when we do a CT scan, we see hidden infections because you don't have pain.
You know, so people walk around with sinus infections, root canal infections.
And they have no idea that these infections.
So on a combing CT scan, we can find it.
And that's what we're talking about.
We see a lot of hidden infections with these root canals that cause, you know, issues.
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If their doctor is in functional integrative and a little bit more knowledgeable,
the first thing they're going to say is, go get rid of any kind of source of toxicity that's coming into your body.
Now, that might be, if they're living in a moldy home,
if you're only living in a moldy home and you're trying to get healthy, that's going to be hard to do.
I don't care how many red light therapy beds you go on.
Jordan Peterson is dealing with this right now.
No way.
Really bad. His daughter dealt with it.
Yeah.
You think with their amazing diet that they're on, the moldy home.
The moldy home is a perfect example.
You're not going to get healthy if you're in a moldy home.
But what about that moldy home as your job?
Because that's what happens when you have a source of toxicity in your mouth constantly,
whether it's heavy metals, whether it's actually mold, because cavitations, areas of cavitations,
a lot of times there's mold there.
And you know what cavitations are.
Oh, yeah.
But a lot of them don't.
Yeah.
Seven cavities.
No, no.
Cavities is different than cavitations.
Cavities, let's talk about that.
That's an important distinction.
So cavities is an area on the tooth where bacteria and acidity has created a hole.
Now we want to arrest that and repair it and unprevent it, obviously.
That's what a cavities.
But a cavitation is an area in the jaw bone, not the tooth, where either a tooth was extracted
at one point or a tooth bud that never formed.
Then this area, this empty space in the jaw bone doesn't have proper vascularity.
And let's apply, right?
And bone has never filled into that space.
Instead, there's fatty tissue and toxicities of other kinds, all kinds.
Mold, I mentioned, bacteria, viruses, all kinds.
Heavy metals.
Heavy metals.
Yeah, heavy metals.
I mean, we have trapped in these areas.
We're opening these areas up and there's just a huge source of toxicity.
So like you talk about the functional doctors that actually refer people to us throughout the country,
there's smart ones realize the cavitation areas, the debony defects that you're talking about.
The heart is so much micro toxins and parasites and garbage in there that is releasing to the lymphatic system
that is causing systemic issues.
So one of our job is to find these cavitations.
Yeah.
Besides the root canals that you were talking about that are infected.
And treat them on these CT scans.
And once we find it, we initiate them to be flying to the center.
We go in there.
We clean it out.
The proper way that's supposed to be cleaned out.
And we get emails all the time.
They're like dark shot.
And I feel so much better.
It's my face.
It's my face.
It's gone.
My brain floor.
It's gone.
Yeah.
I had, there's somebody that's the most I can share with you.
But this this week, this patient, after two weeks of treatments, she had some root canals taken out
and cavitation is done.
Yeah.
I mean, we got it when we treated those spots and treated it in a way we can talk about.
She said, two weeks after I have no more knee pain.
She had major knee pain.
She had major shoulder pain.
She said, all my pain, my body's gone down.
And it's all gone.
And the only pain I have is because I had broken my hands.
And it's, but you know what?
You have wisdom teeth there.
Yeah.
Right?
So when you're going to have to, if you have to take wisdom teeth out, number one, a lot of times it's overdone.
A lot of times it doesn't need to be taken out.
But if you have to take it out, it's causing a problem.
There is a very strict protocol we have to make sure these cavitations do not form or else that's the problem.
Now we have to check Sean now.
See if he has it.
He is.
He said, yeah, all four of my wisdom teeth out.
They said to get the root canal.
How old were you when you come out?
No, I still have them all.
They haven't said I need to.
They've been telling me since I was 18.
Okay, thank God you didn't take them out.
They come out.
They look really bad on the scan.
If they have to take them out, take them out of the right way.
Yeah.
The protocol he's talking about.
Yeah.
Doing it the right way and filling them in so they're not an empty space.
Because normally we just take them out.
Put some stitches you go home and they tell you we're going to become a chipmunk for a week.
That's a conventional way.
But it doesn't heal.
The top part of it heals an inside of it because of lack of micronutrients.
It stays empty.
Like you're talking about.
And it becomes this context, not only source of toxicity, but inflammation and a block and
emergence.
Like, at a patient that had in this area, full of infection, she flew in from New Mexico.
She had heart palpitations for 20 years.
What?
For 20 years heart palpitations.
You would think.
Yeah, because you know where that area is on a meridian line to your heart.
You know meridians.
So for the people watching, meridians are acupuncture lines.
Acupuncture is working.
Ancient Chinese medicine.
Look at these energy lines that are there and have been there for thousands of years of
treating people's health by unblocking energy lines and making energy flow better.
So for us in dentistry, these teeth are aligned with these manager lines.
So when we address any kind of hidden infection, root canals are blocking those energy lines,
metals, all kinds of metals, not only their plants, even metal implants, these block energy
lines and then cause this function to die.
Yeah, people don't realize that's a great point.
I mean, people don't realize that teeth are organs, right?
They're organs.
Teeth are organs.
If you do chat you PT right now.
Yeah.
I said, what is the tooth?
This is tooth is an organ.
Right?
Like right now you just said, oh my gosh.
Yeah, because I assume organs are soft like that.
Right?
Right?
And about as these organs are connected to other organs in the body via these electrical
channels.
Right.
So when you have a dead tooth or metals, it blocks those energy pathways.
Yeah, I have heard that.
Yeah.
And then the cellular energy becomes lower and lower in those other organs and it causes
this function.
Yeah.
I've seen that map of how each tooth is connected to an organ.
Yeah.
So like if you have a cavity in a certain tooth that affects that organ.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So this one case, after we cleared that same day, she was in tears with her husband saying
that my heart palpitations are gone.
Wow.
So all these years, I've seen cardiologists.
This is what I'm talking about.
You know, this medical system that treats people in silos.
You know that there's a specialist for the heart specialist.
This has to change.
And this is one of our philosophies at Smile Body.
The reason we call it Smile Body is mouth body connection.
And it's about working together.
The cardiologist should be working with a biological dentist.
The dermatologist should be working with the biological dentist because we can help them
achieve their goals with their patients instead of just treating symptoms.
We want to treat root cause.
A lot of times that root cause is a hidden infection.
Well, I mean, one thing I want to say, I mean, a lot of people don't know really what biological
dentist means.
Yeah.
You're throwing that word around and people don't know what that means.
So basically, we're looking for, we're like healers.
We're looking for toxicity.
We're still going to make you functional like, you know, dentists, the way we were mechanics
to kind of get your functional so you can eat.
But the biocompatibility of the materials we're going to use is so critical.
So we make sure the materials that go in there, there's no metals, everything's metal-free,
it's biocompatible with your body, it's not blocking meridians.
So your body can function properly because dentists, it doesn't recognize that at all.
It's just any kind of material that goes into mouth is fine.
Well, they don't recognize that the teeth and the body are really metacled.
Yeah.
And their head is cut off from the rest of the body.
Yeah, it's not even connected, you know, they treat it like a car, like you're changing
the wheel on a car or like it's not connected, it has nothing to do with each other.
But it's so connected.
Yeah.
It's so many ways that we're just talking about not just blood, lymph, nerves, but also.
So that's bio dentistry.
That's what, you know, and we collaborated with other biological dentists throughout
the world now and we just did a documentary and it's going to come out in Switzerland
and we just did it next year that talks about all that we're talking about.
So can you major in this yet in college or not?
You know, it's just got something you could do after, you know, dental school.
You have to go and learn.
It's just like functional medicine.
You have to go learn bio dentistry and really understand it, really not a high level.
And so we're like trying to actually make an academy now to kind of like make standards
for bio dentistry.
So biological dentistry has been around for a while.
Yeah, it has been around for a while.
It was in the, I mean, the concept started from the 30s, even where we're, you know,
West and A price started doing research on looking what causes dysfunction in the mouth.
Anyway, this is evolved over over many years, you know, in where we are right now.
And there's different academies like the IABDM, which is about biological dentistry and
IOMT that teaches more holistic medicine and so on and so forth.
But they're academies.
They're academies, but there has never been a standard.
So a lot of times someone can call themselves a biological dentist because they might remove
mercury safely.
But that's about it.
And they call them biological dentists.
Yeah.
And they don't even know what a cavitation is or how to treat it if they do know what
it is.
Well, that's why it was small body.
Or they might still do root nows.
They might call themselves a biological dentist and still do root nows, which is the kind
of a oxymoron, as far as I'm concerned, but unless it's, yeah, but that was the reason
that, you know, we made small body and we created a safe space that people like now were
blessed that people try to just fly in to figure out how we can get rid of the toxicity
in their mouth.
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And then we look at the body at the same time.
So that's why small body, like you were talking about, and the toxicity is just brewing
from the head down, there's no way your functional medicine doctor or anybody can heal your body,
and that's where we have to create small body.
But that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, the toxic materials, I just learned about this when I got my cavities filled, a lot
of other dentists use plastics, I guess.
Yeah, the white fillings, that's one of the things that people don't realize, everyone
knows, okay, the mercury fillings are bad, right?
Okay, they're bad and you got to get them removed safely.
But that somewhat has become more people know that, but those white fillings, actually
almost all of them have plastics inside that are releasing BPA, every time you chew.
So you have to be, you have to be cognizant of that, in fact, you know how we put protective
suits to remove these mercury fillings, you know, the vapor that's even coming off of
this is the plastics, it's not only bad for the patient, bad for us, too.
So we want to protect everyone on all these materials.
So we want to put in materials that are made of porcelain, worn by a compatible, whether
we're doing an implant or even fillings or crowns, all porcelain, most by a compatible
material that's not releasing anything into the body, and you have to be choosing even
the cements very clearly.
There's a lot of toxic substances.
Well, I mean, Sean, this thing that you brought up is really important, I mean, yes,
plastic can release microplastics, which we make sure that ours doesn't, but just a
little bit more of the mercury fillings, not a lot of people don't know, like they're
going to listen to this podcast and like, oh, mercury fillings are bad, I got to go take
it out.
No, don't go take it out, you know, that has to do with the camera, so it's critical the
way to take it out.
So for instance, when, you know, I got sick from mercury poisoning myself, I was sick
a little while.
Yeah, I got sick taking them out from people, because when you drill, when they're sending
your mouth, it's releasing mercury vapes, okay, when EMF hits them, it releases double
amount of mercury into your system, and then when the dentist drills on it and take it
out, like people want to rush and take it out, it releases 3,000 microns of borderless
tasteless, okay, borderless tasteless, yeah, and it sits on your skin and hair and gets
absorbed, and the guess where it goes, thyroid, pituitary gland, and it gets into the blood
into the organs.
And the brain.
Yeah.
They all say, I have Hashimoto's, I have this, and then realize where it's coming from,
you know, so don't go take out the mercury filings, it has to be done, it has to be
protocol.
It is, you know Dr. Pampa, and his journey, his pain to purpose, he almost died from
heavy metal toxicity, and he had neurological issues going on, he was, he's talked, he's
talked about all the time, about how he was, to the point of, you know, wanting the press
and wanting to kill himself at one point, and you know, it's, it's really a serious thing,
a lot of times associate these neurological disorders with, you know, a lot of things,
but the toxicity that's coming in your mouth from even these heavy metals, you know.
Yeah, for sure.
How many of your patients have that breath?
Well, our patient pool is not the average patient pool, but our patients are generally
very in line with diet and nutrition, and so when they come to us, they've already
done a lot of research, so, but of course, bad breath can be coming from a lot of different
sources.
You know, a lot of times people think of it as a hygiene issue, and that could be, but
you know what, a lot of times it's not necessarily a hygiene issue, it actually, it's a sign
of imbalance, it could be an imbalance in your microbiome, it could be a gut imbalance.
So for us, it always starts from nutrition, you know, like what are you putting in your
body?
Number one, because that's going to balance your gut microbiome, it's going to balance
your oral microbiome if you don't mess it up with typical mouthwashes and toothpaste
and ruin that bound.
So you know, it's finding that balance is a key thing about odor.
Because we tell people, always do not use over the counter mouthwashes, like all these
stuff with alcohol in it, and like kill 99% of germs, like list stream and all this
stuff that's what they add, which kills the good bacteria mouth which throws after
microbiome, which throws after your gut microbiome, and you're using it.
So you know, we always tell people coconut oil pooling is great, you know, waterpicking,
just normal, just like basic stuff is going to be good enough, you do not use these
over-to-counter mouthwashers.
I mean, for us, when we see our new patient clients
and we have a new patient experience like you'll have,
we spent majority of the time not even looking at the teeth.
Oh, yeah.
We spent most of the time talking to the patient
and discussing things from the combing scan,
their health, nutrition, got issues.
So the time, how much time do you spend
on looking at the teeth?
I mean, there's a very short amount of time
actually looking at the teeth.
We spend a lot of time because it's,
what's happening here, one is a reflection
of what's going on everywhere.
And so this affects here and this vice versa
affects the other way around.
So if you're not looking at the whole body
and discussing things about nutrition
and what their diet is like, you know, improving
their macronutrient intake and micronutrients,
you know, the vitamins and as far as micronutrients
and minerals.
So there's a whole process.
Oh, I'm excited, man.
I can't wait to see.
You got to come.
Yeah, I need this.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, you guys are doing some cool stuff.
Did you already make an appointment to come down?
I did last year, but I canceled that trip,
so I got to make another one.
But I think in February, I'll be back.
I'm going to hold you to it this time, man.
Yeah, I'll be there.
You've got to dedicate a full day, so.
It's a full day.
I'll fly in early before it starts going out there.
Yeah, and then you can do some, you can do a hold.
You can spend the whole day.
Okay, let me ask you about the IV
because there was that viral thing about the microplastics
and did you see the IV therapy?
No, I didn't.
Tell me about it.
So apparently some of the IVs were releasing
a ton of microplastics inside of people.
You didn't see that though?
No, I didn't see that.
I don't know.
I haven't done it.
So I was just wondering if that was true or not.
Have you never done IV therapy?
No.
Oh, okay.
So I mean, there's different kinds of IV therapy.
There are IV therapy, IV drips, obviously,
that you can introduce your nutrients
and Sean, if you want to talk on that.
Yeah, I mean, there's ozone IV,
people know about virus cocktails, right?
But environment, seed drips.
I mean, there's so many different kinds of IVs
that we do in the center because most people
that come to us, they're sick, right?
They want to feel better.
So if you just throw them into surgery,
like we talked about to clean up the toxicity,
they're not going to feel good.
So we want to optimize their body
with different kinds of IVs,
with boost your immune system
and get the inflammation down
and clean up some of the infections.
And then also we oxygenate them
with a hyperbaric chamber, right?
So a hyperbaric here right now,
there's a lot of companies.
So at a high level to bring, you know,
the plasma with full of oxygen.
So when they go through their journey
of going through the surgeries
or whatever we just talked about,
cleaning the mercury up and all that,
they're going to not feel bad afterwards.
And of course, there is the photobime medillation
though right there.
Yeah.
Right there for the Weber, Weber?
No, is that red light or?
Last year when we had a booth here,
we were partners with Weber.
You should go check them out.
They use different wavelengths of light
at the IV levels.
So you're kind of using those different wavelengths
like red, infrared, ultraviolet, blue, green.
And it has different therapeutic effects on the blood.
It's circling through your body.
So you can reduce inflammation.
Detox has a lot of different kind of,
so we do IVs with just light therapy.
Holy crap.
Yeah.
The first time I did that was during COVID,
when I had COVID, I wanted to do that
to help reduce my inflammation of my body.
That's impressive.
Well, we'll link the, you guys are in LA or just for now,
right?
Just want to look at it.
We'll link that in the video.
Anything else you want to close off with here?
Well, yeah, I mean, I would encourage people
that if you're interested in this biological dentistry
and look us up under my smile body in our social media.
Perfect.
And website is mysmilebody.com.
And you'll learn a little bit more about what we're doing.
Yeah, I think most people don't realize
that diseases, most diseases, starts from the mouth.
So check your mouth.
And not just with the dentists, we're talking about,
like a high level bio dentists on a combing CT scan.
And you'll be shocked to find some of the stuff
that you find.
If you having problems, you can solve it a lot of times.