Assessing The Richard Hughes Era At Anfield | TAW Unwrapped

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1:00Propel Fitness Water With Gatorade Electrolites, Zero Sugar, and Vitamins, Propel hydrates better than water. To help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self, what propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolites. It is total napt. It is Neil Hackinson sitting in four John Gibbons. It's John's agenda. It's John's plan. It's John's show. But you just can't make it. Unfortunately, work things, which I know sounds a bit mad, given the fact that it is our job, but it's true. So it's Neil Hackinson hosting this one. John will be here with an insert with Dave Powell about Turkish Airlines. That story that broke earlier this week. John will be dealing with that one with Dave. That is to come. But this is about Richard Hughes. Richard Hughes, Liverpool Sport and Director who has stood down. I am joined by most Stuart Baiky from McDonald's. Bae Phil Blundling four days ago Phil tweeted, there's room for a new one's take on Richard Hughes. But it isn't going to be for a maybe because I can't be asked. Phil Blodos there. Looks like it is going to be for a minute. I think I've made a rough move back there. Now I'm going to have to do it for an hour, aren't we?

2:01Approximately an hour. Does it break in the middle of the day, Powell comes in and talk about Turkish Airlines. That's a little bit of a big 10 minutes back. Excellent news. How do we, well, 11 or 9? How do we assess Richard Hughes' tab at Liverpool? Well, I'll start off saying it's weird saying in some ways it's difficult because we don't know exactly what his job was. Everyone has a degree of their own interpretation of what a sport and director should be able to do. Liverpool haven't really told us. No. And then the waters further more deep by the fact that at the period where they bring in Richard Hughes, they also bring in Michael Edwards as well as family sports groups. And he's the headline actor, isn't he? And he's the one who we already know. He's the one with the reputation from doing great things for Liverpool. So it seems like when he arrived back, it was almost a prodigal son style. And his first move is to bring back his protégé. So this guy must be great. And then from that point on, I'd never thought that Richard Hughes' approval rating was never at zero. It was always a minus 50 or plus 100. It was oscillating wildly. And I think that's

3:04still the case if you speak to many people. I think the fascinating thing for me from what you said there, though, is what does he do? What is a sport and director's job? Because for the most part of the public eye, it's transverse. And from people I've spoken to at the club, they're very much like, well, that's such a small part of the entire remit of a sport and director. He has to be across everything involving football operations. Similar to the way that when young club left, we were all saying, oh, he's doing too much to be in the concert train on being a football coach just why he's getting tired. Sport and director's now doing all of those things. So we only really judge him on a small part of his job. But even within that small part, it's difficult because I feel like there are two kind of strizers there between the, what is he doing for the future of the football club and what is he doing for the here and now? And the jury is very much still out on the future one. On the here and now, I think it's a little bit more pronounced. On the ones that you can't know, Mo, when I completely accepted

4:08your point, it's really fair. But on the ones that you can't know, for instance, an example, and this is not about the individual whom about a name, but this is where things like, well, if he's across all the bits of the football club, then the Aaron Briggs situation last season begs a question. Yes. And that is, you know, that this remains one of the, one of the oddities, one of the difficulties. No, it does. It does. And again, I think the decision to, because obviously it's slot wanted his own surface coach to come in for final couldn't get it for work per week reasons. And then the decision to basically kind of tack that job onto someone already in the building was a decision that was made. And then obviously reversed by the time it comes to the point when he was moved on. But again, the communication element here is massive because again, we don't know how that decision was made. We don't know who was involved in that decision. We don't know the parameters of that job. And why they decided to go somewhere internally, rather than trying to find

5:11someone else who could get a work permit. And this kind of feeds back into something. I think we are going to be talking about throughout the show, which is the lack of communication from the people doing this job, which makes it hard to know what he's supposed to do. And key for the next phase of this becomes knowing also literally what is KPI's are. We don't know how even is employer as assess the situation in the end, Liverpool Football Club, or Femme Sports Group. Are they happy enough to see him move on? Do they think he was doing a brilliant job? Three years does seem a shortage 10 year when one of the selling points of this model is meant to be that you have continuity. It doesn't suggest tons of continuity. Maybe the theory is that continuity comes from the wrong above. But again, this is back to we just need to be really honest about what we don't know before we discuss what we think about what we do know. And that is something that we still just simply don't know and I don't know how we ever find out. Yeah, I mean, we heard ones from Richard Houston, we that was when he obviously unveils Arnie Slocke July 2024. And since then

6:13they're obviously you don't hear from any really sporting directors. Not really a thing that seems to happen in the Premier League or English football is more of an American thing. You know, you might get the NBA, you hear from NBA commissioners and stuff like that. So it's obviously difficult to assess. It also happens on the continent. Yeah, you know, German sport in direct culture. You guys caught your dog last week speaking about the Balagand deal that falls through to Everton. It's obviously not a very a very English thing. I mean, we heard from Mike Gordon in his statement when he was leaving last week and he said obviously kind of I think he alluded to respect his life choices. So it didn't seem like there was maybe a tinge of disappointment then, but if he was a three-year deal, he initially signed. Yeah. So, you know, if he's left two in a heart or two years into that, you know, surely Le Port have had the powers to keep him if they thought he was the best and the business the best in class and they couldn't go out and, and, you know, get anyone better. I think for me, the the writing on the war kind of probably came at the start of the year. Maybe towards the back end of last year when you had Michael Edwards who

7:15was seemingly getting kind of itchy feet that Liverpool weren't going to be successfully in obtaining like a multi club model. And then obviously he left early this year and it felt like, as as most had then, they kind of came as almost a duo and I think one Edward said that he was leaving it felt very very kind of obvious that he was a follow-up out the door. It's obviously so hard to kind of assess his tenure because there's so so much stuff that we don't know and it can goes on behind the scenes but I think if you're judging it from, you know, what what were his KPIs when he walked into the building, what all the stuff that we can see are contracts and transfers and in this first season, it's weird isn't it because he does he makes no signings but a point of mine or helps a point to manage it at wins of a board of league. And then in his second year before a boss kicked he, you know, this time last year he signs out like Dunder East out with Liverpool 1, 5 out of 5, 6 out of 6, whatever it is in all competitions. The scoring like winners is obviously, you know, problems people can see but almost papering over those cracks you've got, you know, the most expensive transfer summer in the club's history and it kind of all points to

8:16identity is going to be being built at the club. But then obviously that all kind of falls down and then the contracts that he handed out, you know, the one to most salad the biggest in in the club's history that doesn't that doesn't work out the way and the way in which anyone gets expected it to and the subplot too that is, you know, when Salah and Slot butted head it, but it heads it leaves last year the club's hierarchy obviously back to Slot. Now 12 months on and Salah's comments some of which were also directed at the club's hierarchy and not a slot when I was a way at pains to make that point salad even in amongst his eight nine minutes. Yeah and then of course we all know how the second half of last season on Ravall the club, I think it's actually the only other time we did hear from him was when he did the round table and obviously that that was clearly kind of a sign of sticking by Slot that Slot was, Slot very felt very much felt like his man, you know, he'd obviously put the faith in him,

9:17he was sticking by him after a difficult period in the winter. But now obviously 12 months on from that window and six months on from from that round table, his, it feels like his 10 years done a complete 180, you know, there's gaps in the rapport squads, the contracts that they handed out last year or over the two years, I mean when he walked into the building he had a difficult injury because he had actually trend bandai, he can sell it and you also on top of that had Robinson and Kanate in the final two years. So there was loads of sort out, I mean you've got their collection of players who who played well over a thousand games for the rapport and they, you know, don't didn't recruit any fees for any of them or I don't know, you maintained one sorry and found out the rest they all left for free. So if we're kind of going off the KPIs and the things that he that we can see, you know, from the public looking in, it will be, you can make a fair argument that he didn't hit those KPIs. The next phase of this fill is that there is also the nature of the job is that a lot of it happens a couple of years after you make your steps.

10:20So 90% of the players he signed are not Kiezer and half of my Madashvili, I don't know which half. Half of my Madashvili are players, you know, who were in that first summer the rest of all being since last summer and there's explicable context around I would argue EZAC and Viet still at this point, Eckertike has been on pitch a fair success. I wouldn't get too carried away but a fair success. But the point of it is that 90% of the players that he signed are to year or less. So if we go on in the Champions League in 2028, so we should be all be saying, well, we've achieved a big part and this stuff is, you know, Kiezer already, I just want to sort of end the context here. Kiezer already made the mention of the two season challenges of contracts, etc. It is going to be, it is where pointing out that it is hard to see into the future of this point as we sit. Yeah, I think we sort of see this job as what he's done in the time period

11:26he's been here, but it all links into what goes before. I think last week's show was about transfers over sort of a post-COVID period, wasn't it? And when you actually sort of look at that, you see in decisions made then that he's probably had to clean up, it's probably not the right word, but he's had to live with and manage within a context of like, for example, in 2021, and at the time it wasn't particularly looked at as anything particularly bad, but Liverpool give a 31 year old Jordan, then there's an four year contract. Now, when you're doing things like that in 2021, you are at some point over the next few years going to have to chase your own tail a bit and part of that was, you think of the summer of 2023, Liverpool signed a brand new midfield, everyone loaded the fact that they managed to go out and get a brand new midfield. You'll get a brand new midfield in the midwinter summer, that means that there's a sort of probably a failure of long-term planning somewhere along the line, and that 23-24 season is really interesting and relevant to where we are now. I went and had a look with that was relative to Arsenal, because I think there was, I don't know if anyone listed Monday night, Club On 5, I'll have the other night, Rory was on there, and he was talking about Arsenal and how Arsenal

12:27have made a long-term judgment that they were going to try and peek around now when they predicted that Liverpool and Manchester City would sort of have had to do a bit of a rebuild. So when you look at 23-24, the two teams now, in that time Liverpool have lost 10 players who played more than 2000 minutes, they've lost two who played 1000 minutes, and then this TRI GO as well, who probably if he'd been fit and available that year would have contributed quite a lot. In that time, Arsenal have lost three players who played 2000, and three players who played 1000, and it's not a particularly amazing list of players that they've lost as well. I'll be able to use you to bring something to the team, he's one of the 1000s, one of the 1000s Eddie and Ketia, once George Genial, and after 2000s, one of them is Alexander Zincenko, and then the other two list is some, Martin Ellie and Trashard, and there's a possibly an argument that they've made the forward line a bit weaker, but what that means is, do you have a lot to do? That's 13 players that Liverpool have lost over that time, and when you actually look at the list, there's not many of them that it's a conscious decision to sort of throw out and get rid of those,

13:28there's obviously there's a tragic death in there, there's two retirements, that's three players that you have to sort, that you have to do something about that. You then go through it, this Kallahoo who was a backup goalkeeper, so sort of does encounter in fairness, you can backup goalkeepers, a backup goalkeepers, and if I wasn't a being fit or year, he wouldn't have played that much, so you can sort of, you can park that one. You've then got two glad you decided they wanted to play for Real Madrid, I don't really think we could do a great deal about that. You then got Robinson and Salary leave because of their age, and it's probably fair, you got Noon as you left, because ultimately he wasn't good enough, you got Elliott, who is in a bit of a weird position and hasn't quite left, but he's not here available this season, and then after that there's Gerrell, Quants, Akira, Tis Jones and Lewis Dears, and what has happened, is Liverpool have brought in about £10 million per player. When you've got to do that, that doesn't really help. There's loads of decisions that just haven't really helped. I mentioned Noon as then, for example, Esach moved into summer of 2022, and I'm not saying we should have said in the summer of 2022, but at a different decision being made in 2022, he wouldn't need it to pay £125

14:33million per cent of all the last year, and he's why the job, he would have had something less to do, and there's just a lot of things that I've added up, and he's had to do them, and I'm sort of, and this is a very difficult conversation, because when you say this, it sounds like, how do you think you did a good job then? There's lots of things I can say here, and Chris, I'd say you got wrong. That's called I think pal, that's fine. But the amount that was in his entry, and he has had to do, I think it was too much, I'm sure, to have a bare success, if you need to success, do you replace 13 players? If we're working to a 50 per cent transfer success rate, it's physically impossible to bring that many players in in three summer windows, like you cannot bring in 25 players, and hope that that works, primarily because you're not allowed to bring in 25 players, but when you look at it like that, the idea that he's left us with gaps, which there are, just our gaps, kind of makes a little bit of sense, and I think sort of, very aggressively criticising us, and saying he should have done this, he should have done that,

15:35I think it's probably a lot harder than we're appreciating, and the job is sort of an accumulation of not longer to failure, because I think it's really hard to say you fail when you win a league in 24, 25, and in 21, 22, you have your minutes away from the greatest season, and not the history of English football, the history of club football, that is the position we were in in May 2022. So you can't sort of complain about all these things and say they were all just as just before I bring my own key for back in, Phil, do you think that in a way, I've long said for you, so for instance, one of the things that's happened to Barcelona, let's take it from Messi's last season through to approximately last couple of years, or even still now in a way, one of the prices of, one of the prices of the brilliance of having Leo Messi, which you had to deal with the after-mattle Leo Messi. So as part of your argument here that whilst there are decisions that could be made by individuals from 21, 22, 23, and then Richard used himself that could have been a bit better, one of the costs is that that Arsenal analysis is just almost a natural process,

16:38that the Arsenal analysis is stunningly correct, because even if Liverpool play however that hand is anyway they want, it's still unlikely to be as strong a hand as Liverpool would like, given the circumstances. Absolutely. And football comes as cycles as well, and you can't just be at the top of the cycle. It's very, you think of things to football teams to not all the top forever, even the FIX United team, there's a between sort of 2002 and 2003 and 2007, there's sort of a bit of a downtime for United in that four-year period. Well that's without changing manager and without doing anything. That's what people are chanting for for too, that's how it starts to many change the shape. There's loads of these things, you know, do you think of even the success Chelsea have had over the years? There's periods where they're confident. It's only really quadriolous Manchester City side, they've consistently stayed seven, eight years of, we're right at the top here, and even then they don't win it every year. And there's cup this year's where they're

17:41not even in a title, he's like Liverpool won two titles without Manchester City being in a title list, isn't he really? Let's be honest, it's sometimes you've just got to sit there and acknowledge that, oh, some good stuff happened, now some bad stuff happened, and then all being well, some stuff might happen in the future, and I think it's going to be broadly impossible to judge him in some ways because what happens next, I think it's largely going to be a lot of what people say should have already happened. But is that argument that I'll fill it fully for people back in, is that argument therefore that this is part of why you, an aspect where it can be judged as a failure is leaving now? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, completely 100%. On the leave and now, do you think that the multi-club idea has been, he's looked at and gone, well, this isn't one I, like he signed, he effectively signed up to that multi-club idea, and it's changed the premise, I've presumed it's the change the parameters on how he could work or wanted to work, I think the deep, the youth acquisition we've done has been excellent, I've no idea how much that's got to do

18:44with them because they don't tell us how much it's got to do with them. But if you do know all that youth acquisition, like for example, the lad did recruit from Columbia, he's got a staying Columbia. Yeah. If the other other club, you could go and play for that team, 17 and the whole process is just completely different. You also got someone who's going to take the players who you don't want. So players who you would call your happily sell, but are finding difficult to sell, if you own another club, that club is taking those players. So I think the multi-club part of it is a really crucial element in terms of why things change, because what I would quite like to know, the club will probably never find out, is what specifically was to break down. Was it that Edward was suggesting clubs and then people at the top were saying, no, I don't like this particular club. And then that conversation happened enough times and suddenly they were like, do we really actually want to do this? And then they said, no. Or do you think that they felt like there was a failure, the people at the top felt that there was a failure and Edward's part to bring the right

19:45club to them and then suddenly they think, well, the way that he thinks about it is not the same as the way we think about it and therefore it's all broken down. The reason I bring this up is because it kind of hurdles on to the point you was making before around the timing of Richard Hughes's departure because it is difficult to assess when someone's trying to do a 4-5 year job in two and a half years, because I mean, we talk about asked on when that success, yes, they did have two different sports in the rest of between Edward and Bertha, Andrea Bertha, but what he did have was our tether. And both those sporting directors were buying players to suit their manager. And I mean, like without going back and saying last week, I think that when you're in this particular system, it works best when the manager is the starting point. So the sporting directors work in under the remit of the way the manager was spray-football. So if you've got a situation as the football had where you've got Edward's Hughes and Sla all on relatively short

20:45contracts, it's hard to then go into it and say, okay, well, in the middle of this relatively short, we're all seeing how we each other do situation. We're going to just revolutionize the entire team, get rid of everyone who has been successful, bring it up whole new lot of people, and then we're going to do that on the back of this lack of stability, which... And then I'm going to go. Yeah, when I realized that maybe it's not working out the way I wanted it to, the other fascinating thing about the timing of Richard Hughes is we've heard from the club that they were very comfortable with the idea that he was still working hard for Liverpool, even at the point when he knew where he was going next. And there was a James Pia cycle that came out today, I thought, yes, they, which he said they felt like an earliest march, it had been decided that he was going to leave. What hadn't been decided in March was that I and Sla was going to leave. So they were still asking Richard Hughes's opinion in theory. They were still asking Richard Hughes's opinion about

21:48who the next manager should be when Eruola came in, because obviously he's someone who he's worked with before. So the idea that Richard Hughes had no input into the signing of Eruola seems a little bit fanciful since it's someone who he literally worked with at his previous job. So if he was still involved in that there, did he still believe that he could make a joke of it at that point, or was he just thinking, well, at least I know that this guy's good and I'll leave him in good hands, where I can pass it on to the next person. There's so many of those questions that I would love to know the answer to that we probably won't, but again, the overarching point is that the fact that his job has cut short makes it harder to know whether or not what he's doing so far was what he wanted to do all along. The key for the, with the exception of Diamand and Zubamendi, at least in the public domain, it seems as though Liverpool have predominantly

22:48secured onto Hughes the big names that they were looking to get. There've been a lot of other deals done as well, a host of quality young players, which I think we have to give him the ultimate credit for. Other people have been down as identifying the players and leading that department, some people have talked about that and we all know that it's a big team, but if you're the sport and director, you're the one who's ultimately answerable for the strategy in the way, which is going to be implemented going up with your collaborator puts with that. So again, last positive before we go today, Paul, it is worth pointing out that he has got those deals done, got those big names in. It may be that some people say it's just a matter of well, he said the biggest number, but I think there's a long-term process with, certainly with VITs, Akane and Barclay, where it feels as though those things were worked on for a long period of time. It wasn't just a matter of saying the biggest numbers in the club, but it was a matter of convincing the player and his people of the value of coming to Liverpool. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you only have to look at

23:49Ysac and kind of what his stock was saying 12 months ago, he was probably the most informed striker when you're at behind Talon, he probably could have had his pick of any clubs, Chelsea Arsenal. Even the fact that Newcastle was so adamant that he wasn't going to be sold, the fact that Richard Hughes kind of gambled his hand, that they would get that pay off at the end of the Tranton window they did. Barclay, you've got a two-time Champions League winner, again, supposedly had heavy interest from Arsenal, the fact that even after the season of Liverpool had Hughes was able to kind of, we imagine, sell that vision. I mean, the article that Mo referenced there from the athletics today kind of said it was a year-long pursuit of Barclay. So this isn't just turning off at the last minute and saying, actually, I need to kind of give a look forward to part and gift. It's negotiations, it's strenuous negotiations over a long period of time. To get them over the line is a credit to him and obviously, if the port do go to have

24:50success in the medium to it's a long term, if you're talking about winning Champions League and winning Premier League's, his fingerprints, whether we like it or not, will be on the team and on the squad. Obviously, the manager, if he has to have success, that will be rooted back to Hughes. And then, obviously, the big sign is that you've mentioned. I mean, you only have to go back and look at Friday night and kind of the feeling that is now associated with ESAQ. It feels like he's found in his feet. Liverpool have got a man there who can do big things this season in the Premier League, he's found his form, he's found his fitness, all of a sudden, if he's doing that last season, if he's scoring the goals he's expected to score, that might change completely how Hughes's tenure is viewed. But the fact that he's not available, the flag 10, you've got the kind of, the other situations and problems that Liverpool had on the field, it was just another problem to, it was just another strike next to Hughes's name. So it's really weird, isn't it? I mean, football's a pretty contradictory business in terms of, you know, you get these people to make

25:53long-term decisions, but a lot of the time, the people who made those decisions aren't in the room to kind of reap their rewards. So, you know, ESAQ is signed on a five or six-year deal. You know, Hughes obviously isn't going to be there at the end to, to, to, to reap those rewards. So it's, it is, it is interesting, but certainly if the flag and I've success it, you know, you, you can't not root it back to Hughes whether, whether we like it or not. Tony Stilman comments says, we didn't always need big star name players, the right profile player to fit in the team is key as well in the, in the comments. We'll be getting onto that in a minute or two when we ask out what cost various Richard Hughes decisions were made. ESAQ being a really fascinating one, even despite the fact that he could only look the part playing up from the Liverpool that is still the idea of what cost by hanging on to the last minute of last season, paying that much money in Liverpool, not having the money to end up with a balance squad this season. That's a choice that was made by Richard Hughes in allocation of resources. Little Puzzles resources, a lot of that they're going to grow, deals with Turkish Airlines, John Gibbons, Dave Powell, Turkish Airlines. Imagine buying your kid a toy only to find the batteries aren't included,

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29:07Share sponsors this season where there's Liverpool have really got ahead. The commercial team have just taken a sharp intake of breath at you called them Japan Airlines. Instead of Turkish Airlines. Fuck shit, sorry. Where do you do this stuff with the lovely people of Japan Airlines at the moment? So that is the problem. Listen up into all great. Take your share lines. Take your share lines. Yes. Not going to the same destination. But still a very good deal for Liverpool. They've been looking for a while. So I, a few months back, I had a conversation with a couple of people that worked in kind of commercial circles. And the tone then was because I thought initially the standard chart might want to do one more kind of go round, I suppose, to make it kind of nice round 20 and they could activate on a load of partnerships for that. But then they kind of got a bit more heavily involved with the F1, etc. And it kind of the noises tended to seem to be

30:08that while they were there talking still at the table in reality, the likelihood was very, very slim. I hadn't heard anything around who might come in to take over. I mean they'd done this a few years ago before the last standard chart deal that gone to market and kind of gone to a few industries to see what the value might be. So I imagine some of the discussions they'd had. And some of those were at the aviation industry last time around. So I imagine some of those discussions would have been held with Turkish Airlines a while back. But yeah, it's a good deal to, you know, it's wildly important. It's probably a 10 million pound a year uplift than what they had from standard charted. And it's, it's five year deals. So yeah, it's also, I think it shows the commercial strength of Liverpool in terms of what it's looked like as a brand globally, because a lot of teams have been scrapping around for sponsors. And they have, you know, there are some, you know, you've got clubs who've got, you know, having sponsorship deals with firms

31:09you've never heard of, you know, and Turkish Airlines are one of the world's biggest airlines. So I think it's a good deal. It's an interesting deal. It will help in that, in that area, in that geographic location as well. They'll look to activate in all the places they have main airports, hubs, et cetera. So yeah, really, really interesting on good deal for Liverpool. And yeah, I'm sure everyone's going to be mourning the, the exit of financial services providers standard charted. You know, I'm sure there'll be plenty of tears shared among people in Liverpool today, just that they won't have that on the front of the show. Yeah, it's a good deal for Liverpool. And interesting to see what it's going to look like front shirts. Listen, standard chart, you can still have my overdraft that is completely fried. You know, I am, I am brand loyal to all the Liverpool's day partners, because they are, I'm staying on, and they have to be said, we're not on the front two shares. Where does it seem to compare to the other top clubs, because I've seen a bit of discrepancy on this, there's some

32:11suggestions that it might be the biggest deal, other say that other clubs are going slightly bigger ones, but that involves stadium sponsorship. So for the likes of Etihad and things like that, it is a little bit more tricky to compare apples with oranges, I guess. Yeah, you can't really compare them because you know, the value of these deals, this is Liverpool's front of shirt deal. And the value of cities is, you know, based upon a variety of multi-assets, you know, so it's, you've got your likes in the stadium, the training campus, everything that comes with it, you know, the actual Etihad campus, the physical campus in Manchester. So a lot of these, this is just a straight shirt sponsorship. So it's, it's a growth for Liverpool at a time when you look back in Manchester United, sorry, to climb in their last one. Chelsea had found a real battle to try and get even the 40 million that they would wanted for their front of shirt. And so I think Liverpool, the fact they'd be able to do it quite seamlessly and again, self quite a runway into it is a good sign. But yeah, it will be one of the

33:14certainly the largest. Yeah, it's impossible really to compare it to Manchester City because they lump these deals together. And I do think it's a, you know, it's a, I think the aviation industry is, if you can, when people are striking deals in there, it really is kind of the elite, you look at the biggest clubs in the world of which Liverpool are, of course, the, you know, aviation tends to, when a sponsor, they tend to go towards the biggest blue chip brands they possibly can because they're looking for the most visibility. So we've got Emirates set. You had anything about the amount of corporate sponsorship partnerships and sponsorships that Emirates have signed with, you know, with a number of clubs. I think the fact that Turkish Airlines, you know, will see Liverpool as at the duel in their crown, I suppose, means they're probably trying to look to activate quite heavily. I wonder whether they might try in some way, shape or form to tap into, you know, kind of the fact that there is a, the interest in Liverpool is maybe might peak a little bit more now. I'm a habit seller's in playing in Turkey,

34:14Trabsonsport, and maybe a bit more interesting in that respect. So I just think it's really, really interesting. I think there's always this comparison whenever deals are done with who's the biggest, but it's very hard because some of them bundle these deals together. I think Liverpool's a show of strength because it should in reality be one of the biggest in the world. It, what they want out of it, I guess, will be different to stand the chart. So the very different businesses and it will be interesting to see that angle for the standard chart. So, you know, I choked them out to my overdraft, but they are after huge income people who've got well from what they've invested and that sort of thing. Japan, did again, Turkish Airlines. That's going to be some challenge for our new friends. Turkish Airlines is a lot more accessible to people. Liverpool have got a game in Istanbul. This season we tend to play one of the Turkish teams quite a bit in the Champions League, especially under the uniform accent and they'll always be there. So it does feel like there's more

35:16opportunities for Turkish Airlines to maybe do stuff that's a bit more. Supporter, let's rather than the, I guess, the brand building, which was what's done the chance to resolve it. Yeah, I mean, and they've done sponsorship in the past, I mean, sponsored the Euro League, basketball for a long while. But they, which is, you know, hugely popular on the continent, but it's, they, there will be much different things that they're looking, which more different things are looking for from it, you know, they'll be targeted. People who need hair transplants and good set of tea, good serving years, but that's not correct. What they will be doing is targeting markets where they can, you know, it's not just holiday makers. It's the fact that it's really, really hard for major blue champions now to, so the Champions League, for instance, and major tournaments. If you don't, if you own one of the title sponsors for one of those competitions, they're all more of the main partners, then you're not getting visibility really and do a lot of airlines fighting for kind of that, that visibility during Champions League next days. So I think that

36:24for someone like Turkish Airlines, you know, they would expect Liverpool to be in the Champions League of the year, they would expect them to be going deep into the Champions League of the year, that would be expectation. So with that in mind, they will have, you know, in their mind, they'll have visibility at the top table of European football in front of a global audience for, you know, a number of modest during the year, and that's really, really valuable. So, and Turkish Airlines is, you know, it's far, it's kind of born to borderless now. It's not, it's not just, you know, trips to and from Turkey to very much an international airline, huge one. So this will be part of their plan for growth because Brand Association and Awareness is core for these businesses. There's a reason why, as I mentioned before, those big airlines partner with football clubs, because it also allows them to offer, you know, deals and membership and partnerships and things to fan experiences, all those type of things that you would expect because

37:25Liverpool are special to them. And I mentioned this in the past. So Barcelona got a bit of a bum deal with Spotify because they didn't have much fan data and they didn't, you know, they didn't really know where they're fan base. Whereas yeah, they got loads of Barcelona fans, but they had kind of single digit percentage data on their fan base. Liverpool is very high. And that's really meaningful. So if you're saying, well, can we offer packages or can we offer kind of budget deals or whatever to fans or some kind of money offer, some, something that will drive interest globally in terms of air travel, I think that's massively valuable. So so yeah, I think Liverpool was always going to do well because of the just a sheer amount of fan data that they have, I mean, know who their fans are, where their fans are, what they like, where they travel, all these type of things. And especially when you've got a club that was in Europe and travels across Europe a lot, joined the course of a year, that's really kind of impactful. Absolutely. I do want to take the moment to point out yet again that we missed that Dave's hair

38:29is in his own, especially if he falls. It's all his own air, beautiful, beautiful by Turkish airline. I'm off to my Turkish Airlines on the board 100 times there. So it does stick into my head. But huge thanks to Dave for joining us as ever for the very own prompt to and money talks. We'll be back in person with the full one soon. I'm sure but Dave top man, appreciate your time. Thanks, give up. Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time. Ask your prescriber about Wigovie, some Maglatide injection 2.4 milligrams, a GLP one. Call 1-8-334 Wigovie or visit Wigovie.com to view the Medication Guide and to learn more about Wigovie. Why wait? We go deep. This message is brought to you by Applecard. With Applecard, you earn unlimited daily cashback on everyday purchases like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game.

39:32Plus, it can be used anywhere Mastercard is accepted. No matter your team, no matter where you shop, Applecard is here to help you tackle game day. Apply in the wallet app on your iPhone today. Subject to credit approval. Applecard is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City branch terms and more at applecard.com. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolites, Zero Sugar, and Vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolites. Here we are. We are back day, pal. John Gibbons there. Thank you very much indeed. So let's get into where things haven't gone as well. As you may well like Mo. Again, part of this is the question on stability and longevity. It's two years really in practice. And so therefore, in amongst all of that, that is one of the things that is surely the job is meant to bring about. Maybe I'm wrong and again, this factor was not

40:33knowing, but it's felt as though the plan is that you have that continuity and then within that, it allows for the idea to change. One of the things, again, theoretically, that could happen and how it happened on the continent is to shift pressure and scrutiny away from head coaches. That did not happen in any meaningful way. And then in real terms, the squad itself, where Liverpool undoubtedly have some great players. It feels unbalanced if you wanted to be harsh, you'd say that that's a lot of money and it's been made worse if you wanted to be kind. As Per Phil's argument says, you can say, well, it's a lot of money and your halfway through or three quarters of a way through potentially and necessarily rebuild. The context of all of this, whichever way you look at it, it's not greater in some ways, it's actively bad. Yeah, I agree. And even the last point you made about being halfway through it goes back to why it's the original, the difference between the long term plan and the immediacy. Because you cannot, you cannot successfully only focus on the long term and ignore the short term. Because if your

41:36short term is bad, then you don't get the long term. Because you don't get the champion seat if your short term is that bad. The players who you've got on the building who potentially might turn out to be good already have their head turned to go somewhere else if you're the short term is bad. So you need to be able to manage at least the short term while potentially looking towards the future. And I think that's something that when you are dealing with the kind of turnover that Liverpool tried to do was always going to be difficult. Head on top of it. Look, there are things that have happened which you can't really count on for. I think the Mark Gaihi situation is made much worse in the context of Jivalli Leone doing his ACI 81 minutes into his first week. Without that one, we look at that one a lot differently. So there are times when this luck, but there are also times when it's like, I mean, and I don't want to feel like I'm picking on the

42:36fella, but giving Kiezer a contract for four years at that price was always going to feel like something that they're just going about to. I didn't pick on Kiezer, but my welcome back to you. For me, I think if you want to do long term and short term and where this stuff meets and where one of the things that I've said about last summer now and how it looks and how it looked as it was wearing on was there was just a series of gambles. Yes. And those gambles effectively end up costing a legal and a manager's job and aspect of his reputation, frankly, it still looks to me as though there's gambles, EZAC. As I say, I think he could go on. I think there's every chance he finishes this season top scorer. I think there's every chance he has an excellent season for Liverpool this season, but there's also a fair chance that he has a pretty good season Liverpool don't win anything. And that's two-fifths of his Liverpool contract and career that the AG was bought at. God, you can do that. We don't sign them just for one year thing or for six months, but you look now at last season and then there's the reality for me of what the squad's unbelievably unbalanced.

43:38But I was a decision that was made on the 31st of August last year to pay a remarkably huge fee for a second. Don't get me wrong. Absolutely stellar top quality centre forward, but that was a decision. That was a decision and this to me still is anything I keep coming back to. That was a choice. Choice, the decision that has ramifications on other areas of the pitch. So even if you take into account the idea that you aren't signing him for six months, you're signing him for five years. The signing of him and the way when men that you had to make different decisions elsewhere amongst the squad building situation. And I don't even think about the players who came in. So key for mention, didn't that piece? The pursuit of Barclay was a 12-month thing. So it felt like to read between Lions Liverpool were confident at the end of last summer's transfer window that they would get Barclay in this summer's transfer window. So maybe that was the big part of the decision that was heavily criticised to not replace Lewis Diaz because I knew that they were replacing him in 12 months time. So they thought Gakper and Rio can do a year between the two of them.

44:43As it turned out, that wasn't the case. That was a gamble that didn't pay off. And it was one that had implications in lots of other areas because then you start to get into a situation where the manager feels like it's duty bound to keep picking this player who's not working well. Once to protect the young player, but the public opinion has decided that they want to get rid of this guy and put him in and over a period of time with those decisions not happening, public opinion in the manager is diminished to the point where it becomes untenable. So all of that can come from the gamble that the manager probably didn't have any idea about or have any input in. And so each decision when you are building a squad can have so many other ramifications and other positions as well. So you have to be fully aware of it and I'm not 100% sure that they were. Yeah, I think the problem with short-term planning is that it affects you in the long-term, the problem with long-term planning is that you have to live the short term and I think Liverpool

45:45have probably found the balance between these two things. Problem. In the last five years maybe, maybe five? I don't think that's particularly unfair and the sort of decisions that get made and you're a bit like rather that hadn't been done. I think like Frimpon, for example, you look at you look at him, I think it was an opportunistic thing. Liverpool lost a right back and they were like, oh, he fits these criteria. One of them, it's just the homegrown thing. I think, for example, from a long-term point of view, do you know Liverpool's last three players they signed that had the homegrown criteria where it's a fucking mad list of this? Oh God. Not quite that long ago. Oh, no going on. Right. Ben Davis. He wants to be in there. He fits one. I sort of did really include them because I think he was almost like a training player. I don't even think he was a real pair of pieces buzzing with the play. Fabio Carvalio, Andy Longagan, and Alex Oxley Chamberlain. At the time, you're like, I'm happy with the players we've got,

46:46but when you end up in a specific need and there's these four spots that they can't be filled by a foreign player, you end up sort of having to do things that you might not like, I might not be ideal. And Frimpong is probably one of them where he's, I don't think anyone's going to say he's been a success. I don't think we'll probably ever say he's been a success. But the alternative is one with fresh air. And that's why I just think he's had a very tough job in some ways. I think again, that's a gamble, isn't it, because the way that you feel those hunger and sports are through the academy. So you have players who are good enough the academy to come through. And they've been having eight at the same time. Yeah, it's a really big ask. Well, it is a big ask, but you aren't having eight from one class. No, no, no, no, try to get by the way, for someone in the comments who put you've got half the ideas. That's a good point, but we also did sign them as you could play a short, but I could have included a lot of you play. But yes, that is a fair. But going back to the idea of the gamble,

47:49the gamble is that kind of brother is going to be fit and he isn't and it hasn't been. And that gamble still is when I'm years to that. Exactly. Might even be a year three. Yeah. And I put us apart, this as well, Phil. I mean, it also doesn't have to be, for instance, in this instance, and this is where it comes back to. And I've given yourself wiggle room to then trade, which is another thing that I think the determination to make these acts and in particular removes a bit of wiggle room to trade. For instance, this summer, for instance, you could have corrected that mistake if through and pogly is a mistake. And gone, jet spends on neck o' Williams could we could probably get one of those two in. They come in as homegrown and you go from there, but Liverpool didn't feel as though they had to cash on hand, maybe to do that. And then from the position of that, that put past the reason for that is because there was determination at all costs. Last summer that we will get our ex-underings out over the line, it'll cost a British transfer record. But then on the similar thing, we were also here. We've left Federico Keiser and Motaro and got to the European Squat because they were gambles slash short term fixes. And we actually, 30 haven't got room to put them on the pitch in a European game. So, signing and spending some Williams is a little bit more of that in terms of

48:54you, Squat Fillet, you know. I think that I think I think I think I've got a lot, but I am allowed to, you're confidence can play left back and right back at a Premier League level on both sides and eco Williams being an example. I don't say that I agree with that. No, that's not quite what I'm saying that they're exactly the same. I mean, in terms of in two or three years time, you've got this player that you're a bit like, but I don't really want this player anymore. And it becomes quite hard to get rid of them and they just sort of end up as... But it's not so back to so-so I haven't just smart management and accepting, you know what actually quite clever, we've got a homegrown one as we play both sides, right back and left back. I see. I completely agree with this. I don't think we have to accept it and I don't think Liverpool have done this either way. When this stuff goes out, I don't think that this is the case, but I don't think I have to either accept the idea that every player's got to be absolutely elite or the can't sign for the club. I completely agree with that, but I sort of think that it almost feels like the signings this summer and last summer were to do with making Liverpool a sort of longer-term proposition. And if

49:58you buy two or three of these players and fill these gaps, you make that, you probably improve yourself in the short term, but you make the longer term a bit tougher. But what we're talking about here is literally the nature of the job. Yeah, 100 percent, 100 percent. You've got to strike that balance. 100 percent. And I'm just saying, and I think the argument can be made that Liverpool last season got 60 points and there's tons of context for why Liverpool got 60 points. Some of which British years can actually have nothing to do with. But the past reason why Liverpool got 60 points was that I would argue the squad that they went into last season with wasn't fit for the purpose. And the man who won responsable for that. I completely agree with you. This isn't like a or it was, you know, it could have done this. You should have done that. You didn't do this, but I'm just saying that I sort of, I think I'm trying to sort of contextualise this and sort of try and work out what happened as opposed to saying, yeah, you should have done this or you should have done that. And I think there's a lot of things I would have liked Liverpool to do. I would like Liverpool to have a better right back. I'd like Liverpool to, like for example, I'd have sold

50:59Mint. I just sold Gachbone's and Mint and won this two, three month period of, you know, Mint had been injured and gone, that's fine with me. A lot of people didn't like that idea. If he'd have done that, I suspect he probably would have been quite heavily criticized for it in terms of you know, we'd have had to watch. Well, Cody Gachbone wouldn't have said two goals up on Fadding, I think, for example, because he would have been playing for Manchester City or Tottenham or whatever. But I understand why all of these things happened. I think every decision I can look at and go. I sort of understand this. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I sort of understand what's gone on. And I think that's why it's a little bit, I'm a bit all over the place. So, most points, I think that there's choices and then those choices have the ramifications. Yes, and those ramifications have not got an effect that then sort of shift themselves all the way along and key for this part of this. I would argue these strategic choices, you know, Liverpool, have spent a lot of money net across two windows, a huge amount of money net across two windows,

52:01but they did not have enough money this season to finish the job. They're not ready for this season. The still, the squad is still unbalanced in there. And as part of that, I'd argue the strategic choices and it might have happened anyway. It might have been that the man wasn't right for the role in the long term, but have arguably cost one league winner manager his job and taking up the time at the very least of other footballers and the strategic decisions that have been made by well, by Liverpool whilst Hughes has been strategic, well, but by Sport and Director. Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, there's a lot of an effect on several different departments in the name, but just to go back to that point before, I mean, is that not part of a wider issue of kind of, I feel like for a while, the point being greater selling players either. And you talk about like cash flow and bringing in, I think the ESAT ones are really difficult to analyse because I feel like we're yet to see him really as a football that like obviously last season, you know, we can't, it's hard to, he is in part responsible for how his season played out last year because of how he

53:02engineered his move and Liverpool may be could have seen that coming, but other moment, we don't know if that 125 million pound was well spent because it feels like we've, you've spent 125 million pound, we've not had any kind of result, you don't know if he's good or bad because he just hasn't played enough for us. So far it's been badly spent. Yeah, we've bought, we all sit around this table and very much hope that at the end of the season, we're also not on a quality issue of it's more of like an availability issue. So does there ever come? But there's also a, you chose to buy him in the context of the fact that you'd also already secured a Catech. Yeah. So there is, so it is a bit of a quality issue. And what I mean by that is it's not, is the play good, is the play not good. It is this a good allocation of 125 million pounds of our resources, could we do this differently? Yeah, and of course, and then Catech and the band, they were probably looking at life after Salar and thought, you know, he's, he's, he's a man to, you know, he's how, he's going to be how we, we get the goals and stuff. But as I say, it goes onto the wide point of like, Liverpool not being very good at selling and it feels like there has been so many powers of water talent on free transfers

54:02over the last, you know, kind of four or five years and that automatically has an effect on how much money you do have that you are putting back into your pocket and what you're able to defend. Do you do 125 million on your second centre forward of the summer? But well, you may be sure to maybe, I think sure, I think sure. I think the fact that we've seen so few minutes where a Catech and ESEC have actually been fit and available, it shows why you need them both. If we've had, no one is arguing, you don't need to, I think you need three centre forwards, frankly, and I think we've gone into this season a centre forward light and I'd like to, if you, if I, if I, he'll call that Lewin. Ah, of course. But no, I think the idea of someone of a lesser quality, being able to lead the light for Liverpool at our point when there's no other options, I think becomes more difficult. So you can bang the drum for a, a Cavalry or a Danny Warbeck or anyone like that. I think it's a cockroach. Anyone like that. But he has got a new yet, he's got his league on his metal rounds as Nick. But they, I mean, okay, Yacht Rose was good in specific situations.

55:06So was new. Yes, so was newness. But the point is, is that he wasn't having to play all the time because they still had other options to use it. I'm talking about in the context of if one of those options is gone and you are asking this guy to be the guy all the time, I think having two guys who had one who has an elite projected career in a decade, one who already is, I think if you're going to want, if you're going to be the situation where they're having to bear all of the load, you want them to either be with someone like that or someone like that. So I'm kind of okay with that. I'm very, I was very okay. I was very okay with it last summer. But it also is part of why you go into last summer with insufficient numbers of wingers and you go into this summer with arguably insufficient number of footballers is how you've structured spending all the money. Yeah, agree. This is the strategy points. Yeah, it is. And again, it becomes a point where you have to decide where you're happy for the weakness to be because the blanket isn't big enough to cover the whole bed. So there's going to be somewhere sticking out somewhere. And again, I go

56:10back to the idea of you have to be lucky in that situation as well because if you are going to kind of leave or expose a weakness and then something happens like an injury that makes that the bit an even bigger problem, then you're in a terrible situation. Again, like I'll say, we'll happen with the only. So there is an element of it where you have to make calculated risks as part of the job, particularly if you're in a situation where you don't have any resources. The one you could have been structured the other way, if Viet goes all the way to the end of the window, Viet goes all the way to the end of the window. So I don't want to necessarily be about this, part of they would, part of this job is to project that if we do this on the 31st of August or if we're on the 1st of August, we are likely to end up doing this on the 31st of August. So we can go on a different path, go back to 2025 to assess this job, part of to go back to the gamble points. And we think we're going to get back on the next summer. Part of what you're doing is you're not giving yourself the wiggle room to deal with any of your gambles if they're gone wrong.

57:12And this is back to this is what I mean by when it is a strategic point. It doesn't matter the player. If you are going to go to the absolute limit of your money one window, the absolute limit of your money in window two and you already know why you want it to play you on for that, which is Bradley Barker. It looks like that has been the case. And you know that that will take you realistically to the limit of your money with a little bit of wiggle room in there. You've not allowed any space to offset the gambles that you make and will most sellers like fall off. Well, I was just going to say that's the other gamble that we have to go into. It is the fact that the the raining player of the year is still going to be as good as he had been previously. And you can understand why they would have thought, okay, then he might be able to cover some of those hills. But the reality is is that once the the tactics shifted from him to the guys who was just coming in, it was always going to make it difficult for him. And then you identify the security. It'd be difficult. I want to kind of go off from a bit of a amount of tangent here because so what we were talking about before in terms of what is his remit,

58:16what is what we are asking to do. It's hard to know for sure as we spoke about communication previously. But there was something that I was looking at the only time he's spoken publicly in terms of when he first arrived, when I was slightly arrived, something that I was just reading and I was just thought, well, this this doesn't seem quite right. And it was talking about the style of football. And he was saying that Arnie's obviously been very successful in this football was the most attracted to watch, I believe that so being in the opinion of the football fans, and that's the most important thing. I think there is a duty here to play that type of football where you're trying to grab games by the scruff of the neck. And I don't think every Liverpool team that I've seen in recent memory has done that. Now he said that before Arnie's will, Arnie's slot Liverpool would kick the ball. So that was his remit for bringing him in. And then when you put that in the context of what happened in his second season, it's like, okay, well, that's definitely an area where he was not successful because if he saw that an Arnie's slot, I didn't think there was no way that he thought that we'd be getting what we

59:20did, but we did. So I think we have to kind of put that down to either. I had judgment called that he got wrong as well. I would eat. There's aspects of shows of the club culturally, I almost the last part of this really never seemed to, some people think it matters, some people don't think it matters, but I don't think he ever really commented that even to the northwest of England, there is a wide sort of issue when I said before about the walk-cost, I think that there is less patience. I think there's less patience for stopping society, number one. So I think football supporters have less patience. Number three, though, I think there's less patience for footballers who come in with nine figure price tags. Football supporters who are paying their hard-earned money to go through the gate, sea lads come in with nine figure price tags, and then not up for the idea that it might take you a year to sell. And culturally, as a sport and director, if you pull a club in that direction, which is what Hughes has chosen to do in the context of family sports group, listen, I do not want to act as the Liverpool supporters are all wonderful angels who would support

1:00:24any team of plucky upstart who are all both for small fees, absolutely not. But there is, I think, for me, part of what happens post 25, and there's obviously a really huge bit of context in there with the league winning team as well. But what part of what happens is I think and what Hughes has failed to pour over, not least because they don't speak, is it's very difficult to weaken yourself to the point that you become a form of underdogs on one hand and buy like the biggest overdogs in the world on the other and marry those things up. And part of why I think I'm feel became, I think it was in part because the football was absolutely bloodless and dreadful and made no sense to anyone towards the back end of the last season. But I think parts of the lack of patience around it was the was a league we league winning team. You spent two players, nine million, nine figures plus, there's now a third player, there's some of nine figures plus. But it's a big cultural shift and it's Richard Hughes who's led it whether or not it might have come down from on higher than even than him. Yeah, I think it's just part of the progression of Liverpool's or for football,

1:01:28though when you when you look at 2018 Liverpool and the business they were able to do and who you were able to sign and who you were able to attract, they couldn't compete at the top, the very top table really. Obviously there's, you know, there's Alison and Van Dyke who are, you know, up there with anyone in their position. But they were signed from sort of Roma and Southampton which Liverpool were to step up at the time. Whereas now it sort of feels like we can almost go and get anyone we want and when you can do that, you sort of you have to do it really like Liverpool don't sign Bradley Barclad 10 years ago, do they? But now you you're able to do that. So what it means, patience is, it's not 100% it doesn't. It's a suicide, it's far wider than football that I think it's a, it's a, it's a sial thing, everything's got to be now, everything's got to be yesterday at the end. Like, like, squad for example, everything needs to be filled and perfection and sorted and you get that fully getting that. But this is the manager's first season. When a manager comes in because the

1:02:31previous manager was sacked for under performance, you're almost saying that the new manager's never going to be in a position where everything's going to be perfect. Just by default, you can count on one hand in the last few years, how many managers in general come in and look at the squadness the first season, they've taken it out from someone who's been removed because they haven't done the job until the standards and the squad is in the perfect position from day one. That's sort of the position we're in now in effect, but because of the business we've done, it's very hard to tolerate that and you're looking at the right wing, for example, and you go, well, these are actually right wingers. You look at the right back situation and go, well, he's a centre back. He's more of my field. There's actual right back that's injured, but then he's a right winger and all these things sort of add up to frustrate people. I think there is a sort of weird position in when we do talk about it. I mean, you can write a long list of things. He's done badly and you can write a long list of things. He's done well. How do you think the person who succeeds and will feel about what they're in heritance? Do you think they'll think that things

1:03:33are going to go position? I just think that things are going to be really bad position and how hard do you think their job would be? I think someone will be looking at this and going, tell you what, I don't need to do too much here. It doesn't necessarily mean that that is actually going to be the case, but when you look at everything on paper, the situation for an in-commonsport and director, it's not awful. And that is with him doing things wrong and leaving areas in the squad. I think you look at sentiment. It's obviously somewhere that needs something, but right, handsides are collective, needs something, bandai callus and are going to need the place. But these are tasks that surely someone's looking at and going. That's right, it's not my straight here. Okay. We're at one o'clock. I was just going to say, is that your interest is certainly not as big as when to use war through the door. Obviously, it could be Julian War again, it could be David will find. And these people, even though they haven't, obviously, war have the role before, but they've been in and around the club. They know what the

1:04:35circumstances are. And it feels like for the last couple of years, Liverpool have had a bit of a hangover in terms of almost playing catch-up for the kind of situations that have developed over the last five years to talk about contracts. The interim spawn director had in New York, you'll see them had yoga and leaving. It feels like now they've kind of, they've got to do the side of that. It's almost like there's issues, they're not parked, boy, it's almost like a new chapter in a sense. So you can actually deal with the here and now rather than having to play catch-up and kind of backfill some of those areas or missjewitness that were made. I think the biggest difficulty of a spawn director coming to Liverpool now would be, would be, well, who am I going to be in so much time? And what do they want? Okay. What are you looking forward to from the games tonight and obvious things like Alexander Ezeksgore and all the Liverpool winning? Laughing as Diego Simiani. Laughing as Diego Simiani, what are you looking forward to? Watching Liverpool? Quite a joy. I mean, you do enjoy it, Phil. You do enjoy it. What are you setting tonight as? Meing, meshes. Meing, what are you in your seats?

1:05:35I'm Miles Simon Mark. I was just a year and a half time. Key for what you're looking forward to tonight. Champions E nights and the relights? Can't beat it. Full hit. It's the one. I'm looking forward to 15 minutes of chasing dance. I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Thank you very much. That has been the outfield, rap. Well, Toronnapp, sorry, with most of you. Phil Blondle and Key for McDonald's. Paddy's been looking after things and Sims or you've been looking at it. If you've been looking at them and he's been looking after things and Sims and what they sound like. If you've been listening to them, if you're not listening to them, it's weird. Frankly, it's Toronnapp. Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time. Ask your prescriber about Wigovie, some Maglatide Injection 2.4 milligrams, a GLP one. Call 1-8334 Wigovie or visit Wigovie.com to view the Medication Guide and to learn more about Wigovie. Why wait?

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