Bob Lee

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3:13Bob Lee was born in St. Louis, Missouri on December 20, 1979. He grew up in the Midwest. Now, do you say Missouri or Missouri? Missouri. I do too, but a lot of people say Missouri. Well, it's Missouri. I think people in Missouri might disagree with you. It's right there next to Illinois. Okay. We'll go, we'll say that's true. According to the Washington Post, Bob earned the nickname Crazy Bob in high school because of his seemingly endless energy, which to me is kind of a strange nickname. I heard of some people in my high school with that type of nickname, but I didn't have anything to do with the amount of energy they had. Had something to do with something else. Yeah. Yeah, they had some other stuff going on. After his death, Bob's friends told media outlets that he was generous and stayed humble

4:14despite his success. In 2001, Bob figured out how to solve a computer virus called code red, which had consumed large parts of the internet that year. Do you ever get the code red? I don't remember that. I've always been pretty good about having computer virus software. What I will say is if you can develop something that can fix a problem like that, you can make a boat load of money. Absolutely. Bob didn't interview with the now defunct tech TV discussing how he solved the virus with a patch and he gave away his patch for free to help as many people as possible. Wow. That is pretty cool. That is. I just said you can make a bunch of money, but he didn't do it that way. He gave it away for free. But it also can get you on the radar for other things. Well, yeah, I can give you some name recognition and help you further down the line.

5:17Bob attended Southeast Missouri State University, not far from where he grew up in St. Louis. He was a successful coder while studying at the university. He eventually moved to California to start his career in tech. Let's face it, right? Back then, if you were in tech, that's where you went. That's where you needed to go if you were going to make it. And to some degree still is, it's starting to change. Some tech firms are moving to other places, but I think by and large, California, Silicon Valley is still the tech capital, right? Bob started at Google. And he got his breakthrough by helping develop Google's Android system. Android. It's not a small thing. It is not. I mean, that is a very well known system. A lot of people use it on their phones, right? They're Android phones. After six years with Google, he went to work for Square based in San Francisco.

6:18He was at Square in its early stages and eventually became the chief technology officer. Are you still at Square? Do you have Square back then? Is that the little thing you plug in your phone that allows you to take credit cards? Yeah, the little block that you plug in, you swipe. If you're a vendor, you can use it or I'm sure you probably paid for something. Yeah, through it. Yeah, we've actually done ads for Square. I don't know about on this podcast, but on some podcasts we have. I never had that, but I also never needed to take payments. I almost shivered to ask you and think about what you might have taken payments for. Rex West had to take payments. Well, that's what I was afraid of. Yeah. The Square belonged to Rex West. At some point, the ones and five just weren't cutting it, so you had to delve into the world of financial transactions.

7:18There's occasional big tippers. Yeah, I get you, man. You know, because I got tired of people saying, can you break 100? I don't have any cash on me. If I had, if you had a way to take a credit card, I tip you. And I'm like, problem solved. Let me introduce you to my square. While still at Square, Bob was part of the team that built cash app, a digital platform that allows users to send and receive payment. You ever use cash app? Yeah. Yeah, I've used it quite a bit. Bob soon became an investor in companies like SpaceX, Clubhouse, and other major companies. So I mean, the one thing you'd have to say about this guy is he was very successful. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about some of the bigger companies here, right? SpaceX, Google, he knew where to invest. Yeah. I'm sure he made quite a bit of money. He was in a very sought after profession.

8:19But when you invest in those types of companies, yeah, you are going to make some money. Bob was married to Christa Lee for 10 years. They had two children who were teenagers at the time of Bob's death. They remained amicable co-parents after they divorced. Christa told Dateline that Bob had a work hard, party hard mentality. She said he did partake in parties and drugs, but he was never the kind of guy that would get out of control. Look, I know some guys that had that same philosophy. If you're going to work hard, you play hard, you party hard, as long as you're careful about what you're doing, I mean, it's your life, right? Just got to make sure you're careful. Yeah, because it can get out of hand really quickly. Yeah. People who think they've got it all together, they've got it rained in. And the next thing you know, they're kind of spiraling out of control. Bob's friend, Tommy Sowers, told the Washington Post that he normally went to bed early, except

9:22when he was visiting Bob in San Francisco. He said, it'd be a Tuesday night. And he'd say, let's go out. Bob wasn't trying to get drunk or party hard. It was just that everywhere he went, he knew folks and they were really happy to see him. I feel like this is like an old friend's episode or something would, the guy that they can't wait to come into town that they always have a good life of the party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. In 2021, Bob joined mobile corn, a cryptocurrency company. He started off as an early stage investor and advisor and eventually became chief product officer. CEO Josh Goldbard told NBC Bay Area that Bob was made for the new world from large contributions to Android at Google to being the first CTO of square in that time creating cash app and working with us here at mobile coin. Bob surely had an impact that will last far beyond his short time on earth.

10:23Sounds like he was a very smart guy. venture capitalist Wesley Chan, befriended Bob at Google. He said about Bob. He was always humble. He'd say, I don't know if it's going to work or not, but we'll try. And you know, darn well, Gibbs, he knows going to work. He find a way to make it work. Right. Chan also said that Bob was generous in coaching other engineers and tech entrepreneur. Silicon Valley CEO Mark Hatch told the Washington Post, he never bragged about his accomplishments. You had to drag it out of him or his friends, basically. And I like this type of people, to be honest with you, I don't really want to sit around and listen to people brag about what they've done or what they've bought or what they have. It'd just be a normal person. Yeah. If you're really that good, other people will do the bragging for you. Exactly.

11:24You know, because there's a lot to brag about. You just, you really don't even need to do it yourself. Surely before his death, Bob moved to Miami with his father. According to people, Bob was reportedly a multi-millionaire at the time of his death. He was rich, single and enjoyed attending parties around the world. And it doesn't surprise me that he was a multi-millionaire. No, not at all. But if he's single and wealthy, why wouldn't he party around the world if he wanted to? Well, I will say Miami is probably not a bad place if you're into attending parties. Yeah, I think you're going to have some fun there. They have quite a few of them from what I understand. Bob's friends told the Wall Street Journal that Bob used drugs like cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine recreationally. Ketamine, wow, okay. Yeah. But you know, special K, I've heard that one called, I don't know exactly what that one does to you. But I hear it can be pretty potent.

12:26You're going to feel pretty darn good on it. Okay, that sounded like it came from experience, but I won't ask you how you know. The Wall Street Journal also reported that Bob had had multiple girlfriends, and casual sex partners around the time of his death. Again, he is single. He is single and yeah. He's wealthy, which doesn't hurt when you're trying to get dates or girlfriends or in the early morning hours of April 4, 2023, an unidentified man called 911 from San Francisco's Rencon Hill neighborhood. His voice was fake and he said, help, help me please. The San Francisco police arrived at 2.35 a.m. and found a man bleeding uncontrollably from chest wounds. He was identified as 43 year old Bob Lee. Bob died at the hospital. He had been stabbed twice in the chest and once in the hip and one of the chest wounds punctured

13:29his heart. Sounds like a very brutal way to go. It does. According to Bob's toxicology screen, he had alcohol, cocaine and ketamine in his system at the time of his death. But these drugs were not listed as a factor in his death. That's amazing. None of these drugs and ketamine is pretty powerful. Is that the one that was like a horse tranquilizer or is a horse tranquilizer? Yeah. Sometimes in ERs, they're giving you ketamine right before they, if you have a dislocated shoulder, they're giving you the ketamine and then pull your shoulder out and put it back in place. So you don't feel the pain. That's how strong it is because I know you have a bad shoulder. I do. So I think you probably could relate to someone pulling on that shoulder, trying to pop it back in, would be excruciating, but on ketamine, you're like, no big deal. But I think the big thing is, none of these drugs caused his death.

14:31His death was caused by being stabbed. Sure. Yeah. Detectives followed a trail of blood down the street to a parking lot fence and discovered a paring. Security cameras in the area captured Bob stumbling towards a luxury apartment building. He grabbed onto the call box and fell to the ground footage from nearby businesses also captured a white BMW driving through the area at the time of the stabbing. The car was registered to a man named Nima Momeni. Nima was a tech consultant from Iran who moved to the US at age 14 with his mother and sister, Kazar Momeni. On his LinkedIn profile, Nima described himself as an IT consultant slash entrepreneur in the owner of a company called Expand IT. Business filings listed him as the CEO, secretary and CF of Expand IT Inc.

15:34You know, not that strange, right? I mean, I am the CEO, secretary, CFO and president of Rex West, incorporated. So you're also the janitor and the night watchman. You even wear a lot of hat. I do. In that organization. But we have an interesting scenario developing, right? Bob is killed. They have surveillance footage and it shows this white BMW. I think pretty quickly they figure out who the car is registered to and it happens to be another person kind of in that world, right? The tech world. Okay, folks, here's something my younger self definitely would have benefited from and that's China. China is changing the way people back. They're nothing like the old traditional banks charging fees and gatekeeping perks and rewards. They have no overdraft fees, no monthly fees, no minimum balance fees.

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17:35and that he started expand in 2010. MoMini was charged with carrying a switchblade in 2011, a misdemeanor in California. The case was dismissed the following year after he took a plea. But I do want to go back for a minute, right? I said they found this pairing knife. A pairing knife seems to me just to kind of be a strange weapon. If you set out to stab somebody that's not really the type of weapon most people would choose or think about. It's kind of like maybe you had a pairing knife in your lunch box, you know, and you carve up an apple or something. Or it's the first thing you grabbed or the first thing you saw. It's certainly if you were going out hunting, that's not what you would take. So it's not going to be your knife of choice. No, it wouldn't be part of your kill kit, right? If you were that type of killer, PR specialist Sam Singer had an office space next door to

18:35MoMini's unit. He told NBC Bay Area it was shocking to us because it was a very nice neighbor, very welcoming, very kind, very professional gentleman. Nima gave him a tour of his office when Singer moved into the building. He said he let us into his unit. He showed us around. There was a pool table. There's big fancy stereo speakers gourmet food was very welcoming. We invited him into our new space and he was very complimentary about the remodel we had done. Akash, Sony worked with MoMini a few years prior when the startup company he worked for hired Nima to set up their network. He said every interaction that I had with him, it was always very cordial, very accommodating, very much with a smile on his face, never any signs of any anger or anything of that nature. So, I mean, at this point, it sounds like he was a pretty decent guy. Well, I think you know, you have a couple of people who interacted with him and I think

19:39it's safe to say they were both shocked, right? When this kind of broke, yeah, that he could possibly be involved in it, there also seemed to be no connection between Bob Lee and Nima MoMini. Authority soon learned that there was a link and that link turned out to be Nima's sister Kazaar. Although Kazaar was married, she was known as a party girl who moved in elite circles. She and Bob met at an exclusive club and how often do we talk about it, right? Are there stranger murders? Yeah, absolutely. There are. But more often than not, there is a link. Now, the person may not be known directly, in this case, it might have been indirectly, but there's a reason why someone is targeted very often. Eventually, if you look long enough, you'll find it. Yeah, you just got to find that motive, right? There are essentially stranger crimes and those are harder to solve because there's very

20:44little motive other than the fact that somebody wanted to kill somebody, but it wasn't really that particular person, let's say. Now we know Bob met his sister at this, sounds like a pretty high end club. Kazaar and her husband lived in the Bolinium Tower Apartments, a luxury high rise on Mission Street. She and her husband lived in separate units on different floors. Well, that's a weird way to be married. I mean, it's kind of a strange setup, right? Yeah. Just if you didn't like your spouse a lot, maybe you go ahead and get your own unit. Yeah, maybe. Now, I understand some people might have separate bed room. Sure. They're snoring. There's different bed times. There's all kinds of issues. My couples at some point in their marriage might want to sleep in separate rooms, but in separate apartments in the same apartment complex, that seems a little strange.

21:47It really does. After Bob was killed, his ex-wife, Krista, received an anonymous text that said, I heard that you were talking to the police. Please tell them to check the footage of the Bolinium Tower. I'd like to remain anonymous. I fear that I will be stabbed too. Okay. I mean, I think if you're Krista, right, you're grieving in some way for the loss of Bob. Yeah, he's an ex-husband. At one point, you guys were in love. I'm sure there's a lot of grief there. To me, this is a little scary, right? You get this anonymous text. It's very clandestine. Yeah. The investigators learned that on April 3rd, 2023, Bob, Kazar, Muminny, and tech entrepreneur Bo Mojizabi, attended a party at the home of Bob's friend, Jeremy Boyd.

22:47Bo and Bob left the party and went to a hotel bar, but Kazar stayed behind. Bob eventually went to Millennium Tower to visit Kazar. The ambulance video captured Bob arriving shortly after midnight and leaving around 2am with Nima Muminny. They got into Nima's BMW and drove off together. Other cameras tracked the BMW to Main Street, the car parked in a dark and secluded area under Baybridge. It stopped just out of frame, but the camera captured the glow of the tailway. Two subjects entered the frame. After standing on the sidewalk for five minutes, Nima appeared to suddenly move towards Bob. They separated. And an injured Bob walked north on the sidewalk. While Nima went south, Nima stopped along a fence line where the knife was found. His BMW was then captured, taking off at a high rate of speed.

23:49Well, so that's sudden move towards Bob must have been the three quick jabs. I think, yeah, that's what police were probably thinking. And him walking along that fence line was probably him dropping the knife and getting rid of it before getting in his BMW and taking off. Either way, he was now the main person of interest, right? Nima. On April 11th, officers were able to unlock both of Bob's phones with help from his family. His call log showed a FaceTime call with Nima via Kazaar. His phone also showed a text from Kazaar that said, just wanted to make sure you're doing okay. Because I know Nima came way down hard on you. Thank you for being such a classy man, handling it with class. Love you selfish pricks. Okay. That last part's a little strange.

24:49That was a little strange. I don't really understand that. But what I'm taking away from it is that in the text, Kazaar's a little concerned for Bob because Nima must have got upset. Yeah. What's the one off on Bob? Maybe Nima was just being an overprotective brother. Or wasn't happy that his sister was possibly carrying on with Bob when she's married to this other guy. Nima Momeni was arrested and charged with murder on April 13, 2023 during a search of the siblings homes. Investigators found the knife in Kazaar's kitchen that was the same brand as the one used in the murder. Police wondered if Nima took the weapon from his sister's kitchen. And I think that's probably a pretty good assumption. I think so too. And it goes back to me kind of talking about the pairing. Like pairing knife, not really being the ideal choice of weapon for murder, you wouldn't

25:58think. Not that it's not capable of killing somebody. It obviously is. Yeah, but it's something, you know, you can grab quickly as you're headed out the door. And you also can kind of conceal it. Yeah, they're usually a lot shorter, right? Than other types of knives. From August 1, 2023, Nima was ordered to stand trial during the two day preliminary hearing. His defense unsuccessfully argued that there might be enough evidence for manslaughter, but not murder. Nima had no reason to kill Bob in the two men were cordial. Nima was angry with another person, not Bob. Prosecutors though said Nima drove Bob to a secluded area, stabbed him three times with a knife and then drove off in a hurry after a dispute over Nima's sister. And you know, if you're looking at the two sides and comparing it to the surveillance evidence, it kind of does favor the prosecution, right?

26:58And their version of events, the prosecution also presented video and forensic evidence showing that Bob was last seen getting into a car driven by Nima and a bloody knife was found near the spot where the two men got out of the car. I mean, I think if you're a juror based on some of this evidence, you would have to be thinking, well, this doesn't look good for Nima at all. Yes, it's kind of hard to defend a criminalist with the San Francisco police testified that Bob's DNA was found on the blade of the knife, but not the handle. And Nima's DNA was found on the handle. Okay. Now it's looking even worse. Nima went to trial on October 14, 2024. Prosecutors argued revenge was the mode. Nima was extremely close with his sister and he wasn't overprotective, brother. He believed that Jeremy Boyvin assaulted his sister and that Bob had an inappropriate relationship

28:03with her. Bob spent his final three nights partying with friends around San Francisco, including Kazar, Jeremy Boyvin and nightclub DJ Bo Bo Hazabi. During the trial, Jeremy Boyvin was most frequently referred to as the drug dealer by witnesses and attorneys, not what a lot of people would like to be known as. No. Try to avoid that if you can. But if that is your main occupation, that's probably what they're going to call you. Maybe in the circle he was involved in probably paid him very well. Well, if you think about, yeah, the circle being these high end exclusive parties, is there going to be there someone supplying drugs? Is it just one person? If so, that person's probably going to make a boatload of money. Because let's face it, these people attending have a boatload of money. They're okay spending it.

29:04And if that's what they want to do, they're willing to spend it. The afternoon before he was killed, Bob and Kazar were doing drugs and drinking at Jeremy Boyvin's apartment. Bob left and Nima later went to pick up Kazar who said she had been assaulted. Nima was enraged because Bob had introduced Kazar to Boyvin and he also left her alone with him. Which I get, right? You found out that your sister was assaulted. There's going to be some rage there. Oh, yeah, you're going to be upset. I could even understand why some of that would be directed at Bob for the reasons I just mentioned. But why would you kill Bob and not the person who was actually the one who assaulted your sister? Seems like he's picking the wrong person though. I mean, yeah, it should, can he be mad at Bob? Yeah. Why would you kill Bob? A friend of Bob's would testify that Nima questioned Bob over the phone about what

30:07happened to Kazar. He sent text messages saying that the two men were creeps and sexual predators. But then Nima later hung out with Bob at his sister's condo until she kicked them out saying she needed to sleep. That's kind of strange, right? You guys are a bunch of creeps and sexual predators. Hey, by the way, what we still doing that thing later tonight? Well, if your Nima is it a way to get close to Bob because you want to do something to him, if your Bob, maybe you don't want to hang out with Nima after getting these tags, I don't know. I would think he wouldn't want to. Now maybe he did. He wanted to explain his side of it. Hey, I didn't do that. And we mentioned it, right? The surveillance video showed the two men leaving Kazar's condo around 2 a.m. and getting into Nima's BMW. Surveillance footage also captured them getting out of Nima's car near the Bay Bridge. Where the stabbing occurred? 99% of DNA found on the knife handle belonged to Nima while Bob's DNA was found on the blade.

31:15Kazar was a key witness to trial. She testified that she had never met Jeremy Boyd until two days before the murder when Bob introduced her to him. She admitted to heavily using party drugs. On April 3rd, 2023, she was at Jeremy Boyd's apartment with Bob and Bo. Mahazabi was doing drugs, staring at her and making her feel uncomfortable. He had pursued her in the past, but she always refused. She told Boyd then to make Bob and Mo. Hazabi leap. When Bob got into an Uber to leap, he texted Kazar, get your ass in my Uber or never speak to me again. The defense emphasized that Bob wasn't worried for her safety about being alone with Boyd. Kazar testified that after Bob left, Jeremy gave her and her female friends three shots of GHB, often referred to as the date rape drug.

32:18She lost consciousness. She was sexually assaulted and woke up face down on Boyd's bed, wearing only a bikini. She cried and called her brother for help and asked him to drive her home to Millennium Town. Boyd's footage showed her looking distraught, disheveled and barely able to stand as she left the apartment. She admitted that she invited Jeremy over to her apartment around the time Bob was stabbed the death because she wanted more drugs from him. And that's such a strange thing. It really is. I understand sometimes when people want drugs, they need drugs, their decision-making might not be the best. Just say you wanted the drugs and you were okay being around the guy that just sexually assaulted you earlier. Yeah. I mean, that when most people hear something like that, they're like, why would you do that? But if you're in the throes of an addiction, which I don't know what her addiction level

33:23was or it just seems strange, I think to most people. But I think you can also kind of see now maybe why Nima was so upset. You as a brother get this call from your sister saying, hey, I've just been sexually assaulted, come get me. I'm telling you what, man, most guys who are protective of their sisters, that is not going to fly. Oh no. But we still have this question. Why is Bob the target? Why does Bob become the target? Exactly. When it's very clear that Jeremy was the one who committed this sexual offense. It's a wise stab, Bob. Yeah. Kazaar's testimony contradicted the early testimony of Bo Mojazzabi. Bo Hazabi testified that he overheard Nima call Bob around 9 p.m. on April 3rd.

34:24He was angry and demanded to know what happened to Kazaar in Boivan's apartment. Bo Hazabi was with Bob until Bob went to Kazaar's apartment around midnight. Nima then got on the stand and claimed he killed Bob in self defense. He testified that he and Bob were at Kazaar's apartment in the early morning hours of April 4th. She asked him to leave it 2 a.m. As she was angry and wanted to sleep. As they left, they talked about things to do. However, all the bars in the area were past last call. Nima started driving. As he drove, Bob spilled his beer and asked Nima to pull over. As Nima pulled out a towel, Bob saw a nitrous whip next to the towel and huffed it. According to Nima, Kazaar had left it in the car to go see her husband because he did not like drugs. Remember the lipids? I do remember wipids.

35:24It's not something I ever did, but I know a lot of people did back in the day. They really did, man. I don't know exactly what they were all made out of or where people obtain them. I thought some people did something with those little canisters that you used for BB guns, but I could be wrong. I don't really know how wipids were obtained. I think they got them from those handheld, the fancy whip cream things too. You make your own cream and you put it in the canister and you use those charged things to squirt the whip cream out. You were a lot richer than I was growing up because I have never seen that before in my life. I used them. I don't even have any idea what you're talking about. Fancy whip cream that you make yourself and then you have your own container. Not like the Rady whip that was the first one. We just buy the Rady whip and spray it directly into our mouths. So apparently, and then again, this is all Neema's testimony, right? So keep that in mind.

36:25Bob get out of the car and Neema followed him out. Bob wanted to keep the party going by getting more cocaine from his hotel room, but Neema wanted to go home. Neema testified that he then made a bad joke. He said, I said if it was my last night in town, I'd go hang out with my family. Instead of fucking around in strip clubs, it said him all. He just blew up in front of me. He went from zero to 100. He was very angry. Neema told Bob it was just a joke, but according to Neema, everything I said just made it worse. Yelling, cursing at me, circling around me, getting in my face. Neema continued in his testimony. I'm facing Bob. He's cussing at me. He's yelling at me, talking about parenting. When Bob pulled out a knife from his jacket pocket, Neema said, I was afraid from my life. I just wanted to control his hand. I grabbed his hands.

37:25I tried to control it. I was grabbing it and pushing him backwards. He took a swing. Neema and his defense attorney reenacted the altercation that took place on the street. The defense attorney pretended to hold the knife and swing it towards Neema. Neema grabbed his arm and redirected it to the attorney's chest. Neema said that Bob just turned around and started walking away. He didn't know how badly injured he was. He didn't want Bob to get the knife again. So when he saw it on the ground, he picked it up and threw it over offense. So we have to break down this story. And this happens in almost every trial when somebody is fighting for their life, their freedom, they're charged with murder or some other heinous crime. There is quite a bit of video evidence. There's also some pretty good DNA evidence.

38:27One person ends up dead and the murder weapon is this pairing. They believe it's Neema. He has to come up with a story, Gibbs, that to the best of his ability and maybe the ability of his defense team, right, fits within the evidence, but kind of shifts the blame or not kind of does shift the blame on to Bob. And this is his story. So what does the story mean? It means that it wasn't Neema who took the pairing knife from Kazaar's apartment. It was Bob. Right. Bob's the one who pulled it on Neema and in this action movie, self defense move, he turned it back on Bob and stabbed him with three times, apparently. Yeah. You know, so you got to keep that in mind. Also, how are you getting past the DNA? Very difficult to do that.

39:29How is the handle 99% your DNA? And not Bob's. If Bob's the one who had the knife to begin with, it should at least be a mixture, right? Exactly. And that's going to be a problem if you can't explain that. But he's got to come up with something. Yeah. Or his defense team has to come up with something. He also, you know, tries to explain why the knife ends up where it does. He said he was in shock when he learned Bob was dead. Neema said, I feel awful to his family to himself. He didn't deserve it. I don't think anyone deserved that. The prosecution noted that Neema never called police to report the attack and didn't even call police after he learned Bob had died. I mean, if it was self defense, why would you not call? I think that's a pretty big point that they would make, right? The prosecution. The defense also called on Oranzo V. Agas who testified that she reassured Neema nothing

40:33happened in Jeremy boyman's apartment. She told Neema that his sister was lying and under the influence of several drugs and closing arguments. The prosecution played Bob's 911 call, which recorded his final words. Bob said somebody stabbed me and repeatedly asked for help. According to KRON4, prosecutor Dane Reinstead emphasized that Neema didn't tell anyone. His version of what happened under the bridge until over a year later, after he had time to review all the evidence and craft a story. Sure. Now you've seen the videotape and you can walk it frame by frame on how you want to tell your story now. And you know what evidence they have, right? And all that. So it kind of goes hand in hand, right? Why would you not call 911 if this truly was self defense? Why would you not tell anyone for an entire year that this was self defense?

41:38Right. I think if I was a juror and I heard all this, I got to be pretty dubious. That's the way that this thing really went down. The prosecution argued, Kazar was the true mode, not self defense. Hours before Bob was killed, Neema learned his younger sister was given drugs and assaulted. He blamed both Bob and Jeremy. He made a flurry of phone calls on the night of April 3rd, trying to figure out what happened and who to hold accountable. Neema blamed Bob because Bob was the catalyst who put these events into motion. He introduced Kazar to Mr. Boivin. He left her alone with Jeremy in his apartment. Bob was vouching for Jeremy. That led him to believe maybe Bob could have been involved himself. I get that, but I don't. I still don't understand why his anger was solely direct him.

42:41No, maybe not solely, but that's who he acted on. Bob, rather than Jeremy. Yeah, I really feel like you needed to wait a little bit. Get more information before deciding to take action. It seems like he was kind of a hothead there. Yeah, and it could have been, you know, he's upset. He's lashing out at the first person he can find. Defense attorney Sam Zangina argued prosecutors told a fragmented false story about Bob's death and that the motive was just not there. Prosecutors swept certain evidence under the rug and never called important witnesses to the stand. I think prosecutors call whoever they thought they needed to be on the stand. Well, and you could also make the argument that if you thought they were so important, why didn't you call them to the stand? Exactly. According to KRON4, Zangina argued that Kazar's testimony was not credible.

43:41I think she has a serious substance abuse problem. And I don't think she's credible at all. She's not something you can hang your hat on. I'm not resting on a thing that girls said, not a thing. He emphasized that jurors should focus on Bob's toxicology report. Bob went on a three-day cocaine bender around the city before he died. He said the evidence was that Lee had cocaine, ketamine, and alcohol in the system that affects pain receptors, affects perception. Prosecutors told you he uses drugs all the time and they don't affect it. Is that the truth? Does that make sense? What? Does it matter? That's what I was wondering. I get it. You're trying to come up with something, but it seems disjointed from what we know happened. Yeah. He might have been on a three-day bender. He was probably full of cocaine, ketamine.

44:42We know what the toxicology report said. But what does that do with him being stabbed to death? And why does 99% of the DNA on the handle belong to your client? Yeah, I think that's a big hurdle that you have to overcome. If you want to believe any part of his story, I think you have to overcome this DNA evidence. And I don't know how you do. Your Bob is the one who originally has the knife. I'm assuming he's carrying it by the handle as most people would. You're not going to carry it by the blade, right? That would be dumb. At the very least, you would expect there to be some mixture, some percentage of Bob's DNA, some percentage of Nemus DNA. But that's not what we see. NEMA took seven days to come to a verdict. But on December 17, 2024, Nemo Momeni was found guilty of second-degree murder. Seven days.

45:43That's a long time. It is a long time. You and I have talked about a lot of deliberations that took 30 minutes, an hour, two hours, seven days. There were some convincing happen to go on behind those doors I'm thinking. Nemo was also found guilty of the modifying charge of using a deadly weapon in the commission of the slank, which added weight at sentencing. He faced 16 years to life in prison. Nemo's mother said after the verdict is quoted by NBC Bay Area, my son is not the person that they think. He's very kind. He's very loving and respectful and caring. Good people can do bad things. Well, that's true. He might be the best son in the world. Yeah. I mean that he didn't kill Bob Lee, prosecutor Omid Talak, set outside court. I'll just say I think the jury got it right. It was a tough case. A lot of people contributed to this case, making me and Dane rainstead's job fairly easy.

46:47We're grateful. We're happy with the verdict. In March 2025, Bob Lee's family filed a lawsuit against Nemo Momeni, alleging negligence and wrongful death. The lawsuit also accused Nemo's mother, sister and his sister's husband of aiding and abetting and of conspiracy. The Lee sought punitive and financial damages alleging that the family aided and abetted Nemo by allegedly trying to delete digital evidence, getting new phones and hiding Nemo's vehicle. He also claimed that the entities associated with port side apartments where Bob collapsed from his wound, released private information and videos of Bob's death without their consent. Yeah. That's going to frustrate anybody, right? Yeah. You're going to get really upset about something like that. Nemo also sued several media outlets for defamation, invasion of privacy, fraud, intentional

47:48and negligent inflection of emotional distress, professional negligence, breach of contract and civil rights violations. He's seeking $17 million in damages from publishers of the San Francisco standard LA times and New York Post. He's going after the big guys. Yeah, but is it going to be hard for him? I mean, he was convicted of murder. Yeah. How much defamation could have gone on once you're convicted of murder? I mean, they're telling what they learned from the trial. Jeremy Boeven never testified a trial and spoke out for the first time in early 2025 in an interview with Dateline. He said bottom line is, I didn't do it. There was no sexual assault at any point. He did admit to slapping Kazar on the buttocks, but denied doing anything sexual against her will. He admitted he had an intimate physical relationship with Kazar for many months after Bob's

48:54death and that Kazar called him to apologize for accusing him in front of jurors and reporters. He also said the allegations took a toll on his life and were outrageously not true according to court documents. I go back to that thing of she is calling him for more drugs. After alleging that he sexually assaulted her. And her best friend came out and said she was not being truthful as well. Yeah, so it really makes you wonder, right? You never want to say that someone's lying. When they make an accusation of sexual assault, now he's saying it in defending himself. He's saying, hey, it didn't happen. I didn't do this, but into that point, he's saying after the death of Bob, they got together for several months. Had a relationship and that would have been after the alleged sexual assault.

49:56In January, 2026, ABC 7 reported that Neema had still not been formally sentenced. Bob's ex-wife, Crystal Lee told the outlet, it's a cruel waiting game. That's for sure. That little bit of peace would be very helpful in our healing process. Neema's attorney, Daniel Shreero said he intended to make a motion for a new trial and was going through the trial transcripts, but he didn't have all of them. The attorney wrote, we can't go forward with the new trial motion until we have the chance to review all the transcripts. No sentencing can occur while the new trial motion is pending. He also noted that there were two court reporters during the trial. One produced a substantial amount of transcripts, but there was also a substantial amount that had not been produced. The other reporter had not produced any transcripts so far. Bob's daughter, Scout Lee, also told ABC 7, it just feels like we're not getting the

50:59justice that we need by continuously pushing the sentencing back. Scout recalled that she felt scrutinized by all the media coverage surrounding her father's murder in the trial. She wished there had been an organization that could help her during this time. So she created the nonprofit called Beacons of Breavement or Bob. The nonprofit funds therapy and mental health support for victims. And I don't see how that could ever be a bad thing. As long as the nonprofits run the way it should be. People can get in trouble with nonprofits if they misuse them. But it sounds like it could provide a lot of help. D.A. Brooke Jenkins told ABC 7, they're entitled to have finality in this case, or at least they should be. He's entitled to file a motion for a new trial or an appeal, but that in no way should

52:01in our system stall his ultimate sentence. Neemma sentencing was further delayed this July. As his attorney argued, there was racial or ethnic bias at play in the trial. A judge agreed to an evidentiary hearing on the issue. And Neemma and his attorney were back in court in mid August. So obviously very recently, the defense argued that stereotypes about Middle Eastern men were invoked at trial and may have played a role in the jury's decision. According to KRON4, it remains unclear. Not the next steps would be if the judge were to find compelling evidence of racial bias. Sounds like this one might be sitting around for a while. Yeah, well, it's certainly in limbo. He's been convicted, but he's not been sentenced. And obviously there is a chance he could get a new trial. There's a motion up.

53:02That's tough on Bob's family. Sure it is. He's been waiting quite a while now for him to be sentenced. But I'm sure he has some money. He's probably got good attorneys and they're dragging this thing out and trying to get him a new trial. Well, that's what attorneys are for. But as we wrapped this one up, Gibbs, there were a couple of things that stood out to me about this case. Number one, you have a number of very wealthy, influential people involved in this thing. But you also have quite a bit of drugs and allegations of sexual assault. I still go back to Nima being so upset about getting this call from his sister and her saying that Jeremy sexually assaulted her. But in his mind, Bob is the more evil of the two.

54:02And he also introduced her to Jeremy in the first play. And that one's a little tough. I mean, people introduce people to others all the time. How can they be held responsible for that? Some weird thing or bad thing that that person might do later on. Exactly. And she was in that elite circle of meeting people all the time. And they were all hanging out together. And I think that's part of what makes this story so strange. It's not like these people were strangers. They were, if not friends, they were definitely partying together, hanging out together. Then you have this allegation of a sexual assault that some people are saying is a fabrication. It's not true. It could be the catalyst for this entire murder.

55:03Good thing. I mean, for me, it all comes down to the video and the DNA on the knife. Yeah. And I think the DNA on the knife is probably the biggest. Because even with the video, could some of what you see maybe fit his self-defense theory maybe? I doubt it. The video probably pretty much discounts that. But there's no doubt that the DNA discounts it. But it's pretty much like I always think, right? You have to come up with something as a defendant to combat all this evidence that the prosecution has against you. And sometimes even the best you can do just kind of seems wacky. But what else is there? You put up no defense? You got at least try some. So at this point, he's convicted and just waiting to be sentenced. Yeah. Yeah. And he has been waiting for a while now.

56:04More importantly, Bob's family's been waiting. Well, yeah. I think that is more important. Because he was convicted at the end of 2024. So pretty soon it'll be two years, two full years without him being sentenced. Now, he's still incarcerated, right? So he's doing time. But there's still not that finality for Bob's family. But that's it for our episode on Bob Lee. We got a voicemail. You want to check that out? It's here. Hey, it is Tyler from Abilene, Texas, the birthplace of Bernie Tita. I just wanted to call and let y'all know that you'll do a great job on this podcast. And it is very enjoyable. It's gotten me through a lot of long nights at the convenience store. So I just wanted to thank y'all. I am currently, currently just finished the Ninde's Brothers episodes. And I have listened to a lot of True Cotton podcast. I have listened to a lot. But nothing has made me a sick milestone because those two little bastards.

57:05It made me so sick. I had to call my mom and tell her I loved her. So thank y'all for everything you do. Well, we appreciate the voicemail and the kind words very much. I will say, you know, the Ninde's brothers are pretty polarizing. Yeah. You know, there's some people who hate them or some people who think they were justified. I mean, opinions on them really are kind of all over the play. Really are. It's not like a a Ted Bundy or a John Wayne Gace or a Dom. Are you not going to find many people who don't believe they did it or they did it for a reason that they're okay with? But you do find some of that with some people with the Ninde. Yeah, you can see it online all the time. Yeah, absolutely. Where do you say it? What was the birthplace? Oh, Bernie Tita. Remember Bernie? He, uh, I love Bernie Tita. Well, he's a killer. But you know what I mean? He was the one that operated the funeral home.

58:06That's right. And befriended the older woman and Jack Black played him in the movie. And so that's where they did the funny, different parts of the movie. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I got a kick out of doing that episode. I really did. I remember, I don't remember every episode, but I definitely remember that one. Yeah, fun with that. We did. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime All the Time. So for Mike and get me stay safe and keep your room time ticking.