BREAKING: Judge Declares Mistrial in Lindsay Clancy Trial! Chaos Ensues As Reddington Fights Back

0:00Breaking Lindsey Clancy News, the judge has just declared a mistrial and Lindsey Clancy's attorneys are fighting back. They are not happy about this. And they are filing an appeal with the Supreme Court. We have one juror that is holding out which has now led to this mistrial. We're going to break it all down. I hope you're ready for it. Let's dive in. This is No Filter with Zach Peter. Your go-to source for all the latest pop culture and reality TVT, SirFresh All Week Long. Now, let's dive in. And dive in. We shall. What's up, guys? Welcome on in. So much has happened in the last 24 hours with this Lindsey Clancy trial. I mean, things went bonkers yesterday in the courtroom and then things got even crazier this morning. So I'm going to give you a full recap. I'm going to give you guys a second to come on in.

1:00And when you do come on in, we'll get into all of the minutia because there's a lot that has gone down in the last, not even 24 hours. I would say less than 24 hours because yesterday's court day ended up in chaos as Kevin Reddington was fighting with the judge. And it continued this morning. Kevin Reddington is fighting back because the judge has declared a mistrial. We know that it was one jerk that was holding up this verdict now. But really quickly, I did want to give a little shout out and love to my friend, Lauren Niddy. She just, if you followed the Blake and Baldoni saga that we, if you followed the Blake and Baldoni saga, then you'll know that Steve Sarowitz was one of the defendants in the way, fair parties. And Lauren Niddy, who's a good friend to mine, who still has a head left on her shoulders. In this Lindsey Clancy case, she just interviewed Steve Sarowitz.

2:01I just wanted to play an exclusive clip that way you guys can go and tune into this after that as, you know, as we're all trickling on it. I just wanted to give a little love to Lauren. Here's a quick 90 second clip from her interview with Steve Sarowitz. From an hour, I expected more from a publication that has the reputation or have been the reputation of New York Times than what they did. And it was disappointing to me to have this front page story, which accused me of sexual harassment in a way that was completely alive and never having it retracted and never having an apology. You know, I was accused of being at a movie set watching a scene where I simply wasn't there. And accused of watching a scandallly clad. A woman who, according to people who actually were, there wasn't scandallly clad. The completely false act was accusations against me by the New York Times and never having

3:02a retraction, never having an apology. And of course, the many, many exaggerations and falsities in their article. I am disappointed. It doesn't matter, you know, at the end of the day, and I'll say this to the people who are controlling the New York Times. It doesn't matter if you're successful. It doesn't matter if our suit was dismissed. It doesn't matter if they make money. That money will never help you do good in the world. My strong advice to them is to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they're doing good. There you have it. Steve Sarawitz, on the court of random opinion with my friend Lauren Niddy Goe, give her some love and support. Please support. I like to support my friends. I love Lauren. I'm so proud of her and I'm so proud of this interview that she did with Steve. It's available now. Go and tune in and subscribe and like her channel. I love to support my friends. Let's get into the mix. I know why you're really here.

4:02Let me just recap everything that went down in the courtroom yesterday. There's a lot that went down. Obviously, my notes that everything that I was going to cover was to recap everything without the context of where we're at today. I was expecting us to have a verdict today based off of what went down yesterday and we ended up getting a mistrile, not going to bury the lead. That's what we got. Yesterday afternoon, Kevin Reddington appeared to have gotten into some sort of heated conversation with the judge. It was then revealed that it was because of in the jury deliberations, they were being held up because of one juror. So out of all 12 jurors, there are 12 jurors and six alternates of the 12 that were deliberating 11 seemed to be on the same page and one was holding things up. It appears that Kevin Reddington wanted this juror tossed out and the judge was not immediately willing to toss this juror out. The juror claimed that the juror was not willing to follow the law when it comes to reasonable

5:05doubt, which leads us to believe that the juror was holding out with the guilty verdict, whereas the other 12 jurors were clear that they believe Lindsey Clancy is not guilty by reason of insanity. So what is this reasonable doubt issue? Well, when it comes to Massachusetts law, and remember, I've always said, and this is where I kind of really struggle with the law sometimes, but I've always said, what is moral and what is legal are not always the same thing, right? We've learned this with a number of cases that we've covered here on this show. There's morally and then there's legally, right? For me, morally, Lindsey Clancy is undoubtedly guilty according to my morals, right? So she does not appear to have had postpartum psychosis or psychosis at all, depending on who you ask, but at least in court, there was no proof that she had postpartum psychosis. And if anything, the experts testified to the opposite that she did not exhibit symptoms of the criteria that meets psychosis, right?

6:08She claims she heard a voice in her head for 18 minutes and it was only that 18 minutes that she happened to murder her three children, right? So to me, there was clear premeditation. She Googled the route that she sent her husband on. She sent him to CBS. She sent him to go get dinner. She sent him on errands, made sure she knew how long it would take for him to go out and how long he would be gone. And that would be the amount of time that she would have. And she then systematically took each of her children downstairs into the basement and killed them one by one. She strangled them to death, right? It wasn't like a fit of rage. It wasn't a, you know, as we've seen in other cases of women getting off by not guilt of a reason of insanity in postpartum psychosis or postpartum depression or whatever psychotic break they were having, we have seen women get off, but they're, they expressed clear signs of psychosis. Whereas Lindsay seemed very clear. And in my opinion, my personal opinion based off of everything we've seen, there was clear premeditation in my eyes. She sent him out.

7:08She Googled the route. She systematically took the kids into the basement. She did it in separate parts of the basement so that the children did not see each other. From what we understand, she turned the kids away from her as she said, go be with God baby. That to me is very clear premeditation, right? But again, what I believe is moral and what the law says are two very different things. And that's where sometimes I reckon I can't reconcile with the law. However, when it comes to these trials, we can't necessarily go based off of our personal moral compass, right? Which is the unfortunate part, like there are legal standards, you have to go based off of what the law says. That is the, that is the job of the jury. That's why I said there was actual, there's actual insanity and then there's the legal definition of what it means to be insane, right? So now if we take that a step further, the burden of proof in Massachusetts here was on the prosecution. So what does that mean? That means that Lindsay Clancy did not have to prove to the jury that she was insane.

8:09The burden was on the prosecution was on the state to prove that Lindsay was not insane, which to me in and of itself is insane that they have to prove that she wasn't crazy, not that she has to prove that she was crazy at the time. She can just claim that and then the prosecution has to dispute that and that was what was up for debate in the courtroom. Again, Lindsay didn't have to prove anything. All her legal team had to do was cause reasonable doubt about her mental status. The prosecution had to convince the jury that Lindsay was in her right state of mind, which is why they really tried to make her out to seem like this cold blooded killer that hated her kids, which listen, in my opinion, I think she is a cold blooded killer. Now that the trial has played out and the evidence has come out, I believe that she what she did have some sort of psychotic break, but I believe everybody that commits murder is not in their right state of mind. I do not believe that this was postpartum induced, okay? When you factor in the layers of mental health postpartum after birth, multiple doctors, multiple prescriptions, that combo I can understand how a jury would then come to the reasonable

9:15decision that there is reasonable doubt about her mental state. I don't like it and I don't agree with it, but I can see how they got there. Now remember, this case was never about whether Lindsay did it or didn't do it. It was always about her mental state at the time that she did it. That was what was up for debate in that courtroom. And unfortunately, it appears that the jurors did not feel that the state did a good enough job proving that Lindsay was in her right state of mind. In my opinion, that's almost an impossible burden that they were challenged with, right? How do you say that somebody is not in their right state of mind when they claim that they're hearing voices and that they're not well and that all of these doctors failed them and they went to all these different visits and they had all these different meds and they have a list of medications and a list of doctor visits to show for that. That to me is an almost impossible case to fight, but that is how the Massachusetts law is set up. You can believe that the law is flawed. I believe that that is not a, I don't agree with that, right?

10:16Morally and, you know, according to my own values, that does not align with what in my heart is justice, right? So that's why they're saying that this one juror is not following the law because that one juror is probably saying, no, she broke the law. She should go to prison. I believe that she was in her right state of mind. And how do you argue with that juror, though, right? If the juror says the prosecution convinced me that she was in her right state of mind, that juror is entitled to his opinion. We now know because Kevin Reddington has outed it. It is one of the gentlemen on that jury. So nine women or eight women, nine, ten, the last two were men and then there's the 11th juror who's also meant to be three men and what was it? Eight women, nine women. If my, yeah, if my mouth is correct, nine women and three men. Yeah. So two of those gentlemen and the nine women have all agreed she is not guilty by reason of insanity. I can understand how they got there, but also you can dispute that if that one juror

11:19is claiming that the prosecution did their job and convinced that one juror that she is guilty and was in her right state of mind, you can't be mad at that one juror, you know? But again, this case really wasn't about, you know, did she do it or didn't she do it? It's clear that she did it, but this trial wasn't about that, which to me is also messed up when you really look at it, right? So can they toss that juror out? If the judge wants to, he could have tossed the juror out or he can allow things to move forward to a mistrial because it's not a unanimous vote. And if you don't have a unanimous vote, then unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, you get a mistrial. And that appears to have been what has happened, right? The juror did not want to change his vote and the other 11, I can only imagine how frustrating that was for the other 11 jurors that one juror was fighting back, but that one juror held his ground and he said, no, I believe she is guilty. The prosecution convinced me.

12:20And so when it comes to this dispute over the law and reasonable doubt, because the judge did have to stipulate yesterday that reasonable doubt doesn't mean an infinite possibility of, you know, or an infinite number of possibilities, right? Because aliens could have come down and hijacked Lindsey Clancy's brain. That's a possibility, but that's not reasonable doubt. But from what it looks like to me, this juror says, no, the prosecution convinced me. The prosecution convinced him. How can you dispute that, right? Your job is to follow the instructions per the judge, right? And so, but how do you, how do you prove that he wasn't following the instructions per the judge? If to him, there was no additional reasonable doubt to him. The prosecution pleaded their, or showed their case. They showed their cards. They played their hand and to him, they convinced him that she was in her right state of mind. She made disagree with the other 11. And you got to give homey points for standing down and being like, no, I'm going to pound

13:21my fist on the table. And I am firm. She is guilty and deserves to be imprisoned. So what happens if she, or what would have happened if she was found not guilty by reason of insanity? We'll go through that. And then we'll go through what Reddington's fighting because Reddington did want this juror thrown out based off of the fact that he believed that this juror was not following the law. He's just being right now. And that's what Reddington has now filed an emergency appeal. So the mistrial is on hold right now. It's on pause. It's the mistrial has been stayed in the court because Reddington wants to have a Supreme Court appeal to determine whether or not the judge made the right call of calling a mistrial or whether or not this juror should have been tossed out. I give respect to this juror for standing tentows down. Right. So if, because we're at mistrial, but the mistrial is on hold based off of this appeal that emergency appeal that Reddington has now filed, it's very tense in the courtroom. But what happens if Reddington gets this appeal granted and there is an alternate that gets

14:25put, first of all, if an alternate gets put in the deliberation start over again from the beginning, the trial doesn't start over again from the beginning, but the deliberation start over again from the beginning and that one jerk gets plucked and not the one gets put in. This other jerk could also be convinced that she's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, right? But so if Lindsey Clancy is found not guilty by reason of insanity, initially, I thought that they would send her to an institution for life, right? That was my thing. I was like, okay. And my argument, as always, was well, if she's claiming that she had postpartum psychosis, then well, postpartum doesn't last forever. So by now, wouldn't she be out of postpartum? So why would there be a need to institutionalize her? Because she may have been crazy then sure, but she's fine now. You don't live with postpartum for the rest of your life. If that's her argument, is that postpartum is what caused her to do this, then how is institutionalizing her going to solve the problem if she's not somebody that is in a constant state of psychosis,

15:25right? So to me, I was always kind of torn about whether or not the institution would even be sufficient because technically, she's not a crazy person. Her claim is that she temporarily went crazy, right? So to me, institution didn't really seem like a fair sentence for, in my opinion, according to my moral compass. Well, then I learned in Massachusetts, she's not automatically sentenced to an institution for X number of years to life or whatever, which is what the impression I was. I was like, oh, she'll go to the institution, she'll be locked up there like Andrea Yates, right? No. So if she's not guilty by reason of insanity, that is an acquittal. She will be acquitted. If the glove don't fit, you must have quit. Now the court can and likely will order a psychiatric evaluation. And in the state of Massachusetts, that they can evaluate or hold her in the institution for up to 40 days while they evaluate her. But after that 40 day period or however long it takes them, it's up to 40 days, however

16:27long it takes them to evaluate her. They must determine three things in order to keep her and she needs to meet all three things. Okay. Remember, they had immediately after she is acquitted, but she goes into the loony bin and they have to determine these three things and all three things must be present in order for them to keep her. Number one, they need to determine that she is currently mentally ill, which again, kind of contradicts her entire, the premise of her argument that it was postpartum psychosis, right? Because we're three years past it. How could she still be in postpartum? So they have to one determined that she's currently mentally ill. Is she? They have to also determine that she's also a danger to herself or to others. Is she anymore? And three, they have to determine that there isn't a lesser alternative, right? So all three things must be present. And what is a lesser alternative? I don't know, maybe an outpatient program, maybe therapy and medication.

17:28You know, something else that might help her that doesn't necessarily need to be institutionalization. So all three of those things would need to be met in order for them to hold her in this institution, right? And she needs all three. All three need to be, need to be found in their evaluation. And then the stay is only for six months to a year. That's how long they can hold her is six months to a year. And then after that year, she will need to be re-evaluated and then continue to be re-evaluated year after year, right? So that means if they don't find all three of these things and they find she's actually okay in about a year, she can be out in less than two years. If they determine a year from now, she's doing great. She seems to be in her right state of mind. We don't think she's a threat anymore. We're going to let her go. That's what this means is she can technically go free within two years or it's also possible

18:29on the flip side that she could be there for the rest of her life. If they determine based off of their evaluations, that she needs to be there for the rest of her life, right? So some experts are saying that it's possible that she could be there for 10 years, some are saying she could be there for possibly up to 20 years. But if the whole premise of her argument is that she wasn't a psychomurderer because she was experiencing a postpartum break, is she going to have postpartum for the next 10 to 20 years? That's the whole argument here, isn't it? All she has to do is play nice with her doctors and then she can go rolling out of there right and dirty. That to me does not feel like justice. That to me is disrespectful to those three babies that she sucked the life out of, right? That's my that's my take. I don't know if I feel like that's justice because she could technically be evaluated and go. EW says Andrew Yates has been allowed to be released, but she is staying voluntarily.

19:32Yes, that's an option to Lindsey can voluntarily stay if she wants to. But she can also go free. That's the reality. She has the choice whether she wants to stay or go. Is that justice? Really? Is it? Let's take a quick ad break. I have a lot more to think about this and I'm curious what your guys thoughts are, but we do have to give some love to our sponsor this week and you know, I know that you got a critical mind and I know you like a good deal. This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Drop in some details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto policies. The process only takes minutes and it could mean hundreds born your pocket. Visit progressive.com after this episode to see if you could save progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates potential savings will vary not available in all

20:32states. I don't know. I'm torn about whether or not this is justice or not justice. Does it matter what our thoughts are not really? I mean, of course, I think it matters what our thoughts are. Amy says she's going to be the next Casey Anthony, unfortunately. Yeah, but at least I don't remember Casey Anthony having this level of support from people online, which is crazy. And speaking to her supporters, let's get into that because all these people supporting Lindsey Clancy, the clue, Clux Clancy is I like to call them. You better get ready to start marching for Nick Reiner. Okay. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite and sexist and probably a manhater because me. I don't know about you, but for me, I have a moral standard and I think, you know, despite their unfortunate mental health issues, they are both guilty of murder in my opinion. That's my moral standard. But if you think one deserves a pass over the other, then I think there appears to be

21:36some flaws in your moral standards, right? Because by all aspects, both Nick and Lindsey suffered from mental health issues or hormonal imbalances, right? Saw help and were failed by their doctors. Were on medications that altered their mental state and have both pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. So please explain to me what the difference is other than gender, other than you saying, well, Lindsey's a woman and she had postpartum and Nick's a man. That's your sexism. That's your hypocrisy. It's showing, right? And other than this battle of the sexist culture war, I don't see a difference. If you care about mental health, you got a rally for Nick Reiner too, right? He didn't have postpartum psychosis, but also neither did Lindsey. She was never diagnosed with postpartum psychosis. And if anything, the experts testified that it didn't even appear that she was experiencing the criteria for psychosis because you don't just randomly hear voices for 18 minutes when

22:37you kill your kids. So sorry if that triggers your toxic empathy, but if you have empathy for murderers going through mental health issues, Nick Reiner needs to be your next savior. All the ladies wanting to play Sandra Bullock in the blind side better start making t-shirts for Nick Reiner and marching outside the courthouse with their blue t-shirts on, right? Now, that's not to negate postpartum. Let me be clear about that. I'm not trying to diminish postpartum in any way, but also I'm not trying to diminish murder either, especially the murder of three innocent babies. Sorry, not sorry. Sorry, not sorry. I'm not going to play that game. And to me, you need to have a moral compass. To me, they're both wrong. To me, they're both guilty. I feel bad, you know, and yes, you're right. I'll never understand what it's like to go through postpartum, but I'll also never know what it's like to go through schizophrenia. Does that mean that I can't have an opinion about somebody that murders somebody in a schizophrenic

23:38state? Fuck that. Nah, not going to play that game with you. Okay? Not going to play that game with you because if you're not writing for Nick Reiner, you're a hypocrite and you're sexist and you're playing a battle of the sexist culture war, whether you've made this political or you've made this about women being more valuable than men, I don't care what it is. I have a moral standard and it is across the board. I think Nick Reiner, who was failed by the medical system, who was on multiple medications, who was seeking help for years, years unlike Lindsey Clancy, who was seeking help for months. I think you need to have a moral come. You need to have a moral standard there. And if you don't, then you're being blinded by something other than justice. I don't support murders. Never have. So sorry, not sorry. Yes, there are circumstances like self-defense that I think are valuable. However, in this case, the argument is mental health issues and these people having a

24:39psychotic break. If you're using Lindsey Clancy as some feminist model to raw, raw rally around, I don't even know. Honestly, a lot of it feels like projection. And here's the thing. This is where I feel like I have a very pro woman approach in this. Ladies, if you have gone through postpartum, you are proof that women can go through something incredibly challenging, a very difficult hormone imbalance. And you are proof that you can do it without killing your children. Don't make Lindsey Clancy the face of postpartum, okay? Because if you have been through postpartum, then you are living proof that it's possible that a woman is strong enough to experience postpartum and not kill her kids. It's possible, okay? So I don't understand why Lindsey Clancy gets to be the face of postpartum when she strangled her three babies to death. That is not the face of postpartum. That is the face of a cold blooded murderer.

25:42Sorry, not sorry. Okay? And I'm going to show you something. This is going to go against everything that I've been about on no filter because I don't like to use children for cheap brownie points. I also don't like to share photos of children that are, you know, children that are not public figures. This is where I'm going to get mad at Gina here. Because Gina did this to me. Gina, Gina got me this morning. Gina got me crying this morning. Gina Milan on X. I'm going to show you this. And I hope this, this hits you the way that it hit me this morning. Look at this baby. I normally do not show photos of children or try to play these games. But when you look at this baby boy, Callan, who is eight months old, and you look at that face, and you see that baby boy, and you know that that woman strangled him until

26:42he couldn't breathe anymore. I've seen photos of the family. I've seen photos of the kids together. But when I saw this baby boy, I lost it this morning. I was just sitting having my coffee scrolling through eggs and damn it. Damn Gina, Gina Milan shout out to Gina when she showed this photo of this baby boy. It got me. Okay? That is a baby. His mother should be the one person in the whole world. Mama Lian should have been there to protect him. He didn't have a chance to even live his life. He didn't have a chance to even make it to his first birthday. And you're going to make this woman the face of postpartum. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sorry. Again, pro woman here. I believe that women are strong enough to go through incredibly challenging things without having to murder their babies in the process. Okay? And as that woman with her, her Adam's apple that came for me on the internet, I remember

27:43she was like, what was Ivana? Ivana sure is like one day you don't like women, but you're going to have to rent a woman to have a baby on you. You're going to have to rent a woman. Yes, I am going to have to rent a woman in your words. I will need to use a surrogate. I will need to use a carrier because unfortunately, sometimes we're given circumstances that we need to find ways to overcome. Right? So yes, I will have to one day have a surrogate to bring a baby into this world. And I will do everything I can to protect that baby. I can't imagine a woman strangling the life out of her poor baby and then wanting to get off for it or wanting to get acquitted and get an easier sentence for it. Okay? I can't. I don't know how anybody can look at this face of this baby boy and not like get a gut check. You can go through postpartum without killing your children. Period end of story. No matter how hard it gets, there is help available.

28:45Okay? I just again, damn Gina. Damn you Gina. Gina went and got me. I was bawling this morning because I was just like, oh my god. You know, yes, I want to have a baby and I'd listen and I'm terrified. Every day of not being a good enough dad or not being a good dad in general, I think about that. I'm like, oh my god. How can I bring a child into this world? And then I think of people like Lindsey Clancy who brought three kids into this world who had a husband that made what, $400,000 a year went to one of the best institutions to seek help. Had a nanny at home had a husband that was willing to work at home with her. She had means she had money. She was choosing to go to different doctors. And yes, I believe that she was in pure agony and yes, I believe that she was really struggling emotionally and emotionally, but no, I don't believe she deserves a pass. I don't. I'm sorry.

29:45The more that this case has gone on, the less convinced I am that this is a postpartum break. And honestly, I think it's insulting the women to women that go through postpartum. And the fact that she's become the face of this is some some warrior. Same Lindsey. Are you fucking kidding me? Same Lindsey? That's what you're going to do. Also the women that are saying same Lindsey, listen to me. If you watch or listen to my show or if you know any of these women in your life, please share this message with them coming from you, not from me because they don't like men. Listen to me. As a woman, you are so strong and you are so powerful. And I believe in you. And I believe that you can seek help. And I believe that you don't have to murder your children in order to get through your postpartum. That is a reality. Okay. You don't have to murder your children. The fact that I even have to say that out loud is fucking crazy and makes me fear for

30:47our society that that's where we're at. That we have to remind women that you don't have to kill your children. It's not okay. And again, sorry if it triggers your toxic empathy, but you better be writing for Nick Reiner the same way you're writing for Lindsey Clancy. And if not, sorry, but you're a hypocrite. It is what it is. Oh my god, just look at this baby. Look at his face. Look at that. It's like an innocent baby. I don't know how you don't get angry looking at that. I don't know why, Collins. I mean, maybe because again, I've expressed wanting to have kids myself. And I guess this is where I'm putting my own projections on yelling at the ladies who are like, I've gone through postpartum. So I see myself in Lindsey or the women that are blaming Patrick because they're like, I've gone through narcissistic abuse.

31:48He must be a narcissist. And I tell people not to allow their own perspectives and their own background coloring affect them when it comes to judging this. I just, I would give anything to have a baby in my arms and to just see people in some way twisting themselves into pretzels to defend this shit is like viled to me. And I know that they're not coming from a bad place, right? I know that the women that are rallying around her, I can understand them while also disagreeing with them, right? They feel seen in Lindsey and they feel like they can relate to her. And I get that and I don't want to negate that, right? I'll never know what it's like to go through postpartum, but I also never know what it's like to go through schizophrenia, you know, reality. I just, I don't, I understand where they're coming from, but I just, I don't understand

33:02the level of disconnect, right? To, I'm sorry. I don't understand the level of disconnect to not want to see justice for these kids. I don't get it. El says we love you, Zach. Thank you for fighting for those babies. And again, I'm not somebody that does the cheap, let me use the kids to make my point, but like, first of all, Kellen doesn't get to have the luxury of privacy anymore. He's gone. He didn't get to have a life. So we're not violating his privacy because his life was taken from him before he even got to celebrate his first birthday by the one person that should have been there to protect him. And even people blaming Patrick, I'm like, you think he wanted this? You think he wanted to come home and find his three babies gone? You really think that that's, that's what he wanted? Are you kidding me? Like, it's just insane to me, you know?

34:06But I understand these women. I understand that they feel seen, but also I want you to understand that like, she is not your representation, my love. Like, if anything, there are so many more women that experience postpartum every day that don't kill their kids. Those should be the women that you champion. Those should be the women that you rally around to support. Not the woman that lost control of her emotions and killed her baby babies. Oh, yes, I saw this, Dan, that Reddington yesterday brought in fan mail for Lindsey to read in the courtroom wild, wild. Holly says it's wild how invisible the children have been to and I will tell you, I, to me, I saw the photos of the family and I saw the photos of the kids and I was like, yeah, I get like, yeah, fight for the kids. Fight for the kids. But when I saw this photo again, I mean, it's a damn gene as many times as I can because

35:09Gina just hit me with the sucker punch this morning. When you see that baby, like, I don't know how that doesn't break you, you know? I don't know how that does not break you at all. I mean, and I saw somebody compare hate and panatier, right? Hate and panatier struggled with postpartum depression. And what did she do? She gave up her rights to her baby girl. She put her girl, her baby girl's custody in her father's hands and said, I can't, I'm sorry, I don't trust myself. Please take this baby and raise her and take care of her. And I'm saying you could tell she was riddled with guilt from doing that, but she also believed that she did the right thing for her baby. You know, that, that should be your representation. I love postpartum hate and panatier spoke about it openly and did what she believed was in the best interest of her daughter.

36:09She did not kill her kids. Those should be the representations. Alexis says that's what you do as a mother. Yeah. I couldn't even imagine doing that, but also what a brave thing to do. That is braver than strangling them to death. Sorry, not sorry. EW says very good point. That's the face self sacrifice. Yeah. She took a call in the middle of doing this yet. Not only did she plan it, not only did she do it systematically, but she took a phone call in the middle of it, probably so that her husband didn't think anything was wrong and was clear headed on the phone when she spoke to him. Um, not had not heads our eyes. 64 says thank you. Look up Constance Fisher. Yeah, a lot of people have talked about Constance Fisher.

37:10She got away with this one's got off and did it again. Lindsey Clancy had mental issues, but she knew right from wrong. I believe Lindsey knew right from new right from wrong. I keep I see people talk about Constance Fisher a lot. Constance Fisher is somebody that murdered her children and then got off with it and then went and had more children and murdered them. Um, I don't think that's going to be the case for Lindsey. I think people are forgetting Lindsey's in a wheelchair. So I'm pretty sure Lindsey's not going on too many hot dates and having any more babies anytime soon. Um, I think Lindsey's time having kids is done. But yes, I do think that the Constance cases is a very real one and a very real reality. Um, Lindsey has a lot of people. I don't think that's going to be the case for them. I think that's going to be the case for them. The answer says I had postpartum also and I never felt that I felt I couldn't protect them outside of the womb and it freaked me out. But never never harm. Yeah.

38:10And listen, people's experiences with the postpartum are all going to be different. They're not all going to be the same and some people are going to experience more severely than others. And some people don't really experience it at all. Right. It's a spectrum. Um, Yeah, Fisher did it again. Yeah. I don't know if I have the energy to get to any other topics today. I don't know what do you guys think. I don't think there's any new update as of yet. Let's see if there's been any any movement in the courtroom. Uh, um, um, um, um,

39:12Um, um, Kevin Reddington does not want this to go to a mistrial. Reddington says 11 are clear. He believes that this final jurors crap so he wants that juror plucked and replaced with somebody else. Again, if this juror believes that the prosecution proved their case, how do you dispute that? What if it wasn't about reasonable doubt? What if this juror says no, I believe that the prosecution did their case. I believe the prosecution was successful in proving it. How do you dispute that? And listen, hands down to that juror for holding down that courtroom and not being afraid, not being afraid to fight back, not being afraid to stand as ground, not being afraid to,

40:13you know, Robbins has removing jurors as crazy. Yeah. EW says he's allowed to have possible doubt. It has to be reasonable. No one could determine that but him. Yeah. Exactly. No one can determine that but him. Now here's the thing. If it does go back to mistrial, I talked about that on the show. Today I talked about, I broke down what it would mean if she is found not guilty by a reason of insanity. Yesterday I talked about what it would mean if it goes to mistrial, just to briefly recap, if it goes to mistrial, there will likely be a second trial. There could also be a potential plea deal. I don't know what that would possibly look like, but yeah. Laura says, can I be that juror ally is he single? Right, justice for the juror. Oh man, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how I would feel. Like I understand why these 11 jurors have come to the conclusion that they have.

41:14But also, who am I to dispute this one juror? You know, it's actually you know where I can find Zach on Jesse Weber. They were supposed to send me a clip that I was going to share. I was on Jesse Weber last night. We didn't talk about Lindsey Clancy. We talked about Kim Zoolseac and her son that is now, he's now facing, I believe seven different charges, Kim Zoolseac from the real housewives of Atlanta. Her 15 year old son, KJ, Cory Jr. He has now been indicted on seven felony counts. One is aggravated child molestation. I mean, he's 17. So it's interesting that he's been accused of child molestation when he himself is a child. I believe him and the young girl are the same age. But it's aggravated child molestation, aggravated sawdemy, aggravated sexual battery, and three counts of sexual battery against a child under 16 and false imprisonment. So that is, those are all seven of the felony counts that he is currently facing.

42:14He is denying it. He is currently being held. He has a hearing, I believe, on September 9th. That's coming up. Right, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, September 9th is his next court date. We'll see what happens. A lot of the details are redacted because they are underage. But KJ Kim Zoolseac, Kim Zoolseac is one of the original stars of the Real House as of Atlanta. Her and her husband, Corey Beermann, they have a young son, KJ, Corey Jr. He is 15. I believe the girl is also 15. And she is alleging that he assaulted her in, I believe, a Jim Changing Room. He is denying the allegations. He's taken the lie detector test and his mom is standing by him. They're also claiming that this young girl made allegations against other kids in the past. And they're also claiming that when the girl had her evaluation done right after she reported this, there was no male DNA found in or on her. So I don't know, lots of questions.

43:17But he has now been, he has now been indicted on seven felony charges. So we'll see what happens with that. September 9th next week, that's his next hearing. But I talked about that on Jesse Wever. We also talked about the firing of Maria Barton Barromo. She's a Fox News Fox business correspondent. She was fired recently and they believe that it may have been due to her close relationship with the White House. It's possible that she may be feeling in the seat of press secretary. Who knows? We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Finally, I talked about that here on No Filter yesterday. So, whoo, crazy, crazy, crazy. I think this is brightly. I don't think I have any more energy to discuss any other stories. I think we just need the weekend to clear our heads.

44:18And I'll keep you posted. Follow me on Instagram and TikTok at Zach Peter can follow me there. Because you'll be able to keep up with the latest. There will be another new episode that'll stream live on Monday morning. So you can be sure to subscribe here. Hit the like button do all of the things. I will keep you posted. We'll see what happens. We'll see if if the mistrile sticks or if Reddington is able to get his appeal and they are able to replace the juror. But also replacing the juror doesn't mean that an alternate won't come in and have the same same thoughts. Susan, I know Susan's very much in the legal world. Susan jumps if you're still here. The alternates, they're in the deliberation rooms with them, right? Aren't they aren't the alternates in deliberations with the other jurors as they're deliberating or are they kept separate? I know they're there during the trial and they're not really allowed to have a say. But I kind of feel like the alternates would also be present, right?

45:25During deliberations. So when they do bring in a new juror, I understand that deliberation's starting again, that I don't think so, but I don't know. Okay, so it's possible that the alternates are not in deliberations because we know the bay lift and everybody, they're not in the deliberation room. Okay, so it is possible that when they bring in the next juror, the next juror could also be like, no, guilty. Oh, interesting, they are separate. Okay. Yikes. Okay, so yeah, deliberations would start again. And how do you then determine whether or not the 11 jurors are not going to try to persuade the 11 or the final juror, the 11, I guess it would be the 12th juror, sorry. They would persuade the 12th juror. Like if the other 11 are already clear, then how do you not then I see sky parts and I'm dying laughing? This is Sally. You guys talking about sky? My dogs, Sullivan's right here, skies over there. He's not on the couch. Yes, Baba. Yes, we were talking about you.

46:27So yeah, there's no way to guarantee that I know that's why it's kind of like that's a bit of a gamble. Because like, how do you then determine that that's right and just when you're bringing in an alternate, already knowing that the other 11 are clear. Sammy says, I would bring in a whole new jury. Well, that's then a mistrial and then we move to bringing a whole new jury in. I don't know. All right, we'll see. I love you guys. Have a great weekend. Hug your babies. Give them love. Because they're crazy people out there like Lindsey Clancy and even crazier people out there like the clue, Clux Clancy's that are right and hard for her. All right, I love you. I appreciate you and I will. I'll talk to you guys on Monday or give me a follow online. If you want to keep up with the latest, you can also get ad free episodes of No Filters with Zach Peter completely. You can sign up for No Filters. All access on Supercast. Go support my friend Lauren Knighty. Her new interview with Steve Sarawitz is up now.

47:28If you follow the Blake and Bell Doni legal saga, you'll know Sarawitz was one of the way fair defendants. So go give some love in the clear. All right, guys, love you. Appreciate you. Bye, bye, bye. Have a good one, guys.