Building resilience through mobility training and focus

0:00Welcome to Informed Descent, the intersection of faith, family, freedom, and health. By America's real doctor, Dr. Jeff Harkey, board certified primary care physician on the America Out Loud Network. Welcome to Informed Descent. It's great to have you on. I try to bring interesting guests. Sometimes I'll just ramble about topics myself. And Troy, I don't know if you remember this. First of all, welcome Troy Casey's certified health nut to Informed Descent. I don't know if you remember this. Do you remember the first time you and I met? Was it in Orange County? No. No. It was during COVID. Okay. And there was an event in downtown LA at the Los Angeles, whatever it's called, capital of LA. You know, we're all the politicians. City Hall. Yeah. City Hall, that's right.

1:00I was there. Dennis Prager was there. Yes. I had known who you were. You were there. That is shirt on and bare feet with this long beard. I'm like, what in the world? Who is this crazy guy? And that was the first time we met. And I heard you talk and so forth. And I've been following you ever since. All right. So anyways, we're at City Hall downtown LA during COVID. May 25th, right after the right, either after or before the BLM riots, they were, they said they were going to keep us out of the beach. And I lived in Venice, Santa Monica area. And for Fourth of July, they were going to lock us out of the beach. And I was like, you can't keep an animal out of the water. Yeah. For sure. And so I met you there for the first time. I'd heard a little bit about you. I saw you live and thought, what in the world? Who is this guy? And I heard you talk, Dennis Prager talked. I think Simone Gold was there as well.

2:03A few other people. And I've been following you ever since. And the work you do, the exercise, the holistic approach to life is so impressive. And I've seen you work out with people. Maybe it was your son or somebody where I don't know how old you are. But you've got the body and the flexibility of like a friggin 20-year-old. Awesome. I love it. I'm 60. And my whole agenda right now is mobility, stability, mobility. Obviously, some strength, but core function and mobility is the most important thing right now. So tell my audience, Troy Casey's certified health nut. Did you get that handle and what was your path to get you where you are now? So I was a Versace model sitting in Milan 35 years ago, almost four decades ago. And I had bloating issues.

3:03I had no idea about nutrition. I was an American. I had asthma. I gained a bunch of weight. I gained the freshman 15 when it was the freshman 15. It's now the freshman 30. So I gained that going to college, not knowing what I was eating. Where did you go to college? I went to school in Marin County, College of Marin, and I went to school in San Diego. And you became a model? I had an opportunity to start modeling. I moved to Los Angeles. I got an agent in Milan and I moved to Italy. This was 1989. I knew nothing about nutrition, but the agents in that industry are ruthless. And so, you know, body dysmorphia, honey, you're fat. You're not going to vogue today type thing. And I went over there, you know, with the good college trials, I was like, I'm going to be successful. I don't care what, you know, it's all about.

4:04I'm just going to, I'm going to be successful. Well, I found out what it was all about. And we now see that in the Epstein List, Diddy Party. Yes. And that ate away at my soul while I was in that industry. I was like, I had good genetics. I was taking care of myself. I was fit. And I could only advance so far. And there was like this undercurrent of sexual innuendo and homosexuality that I wasn't willing to play any type of games. I just wanted to do my work and be successful. So alcohol and drugs were readily available. So I was living in Miami in the 90s and traveling to Tokyo, London, Paris, New York. So on behalf of Versace. On behalf of Versace. Well, I definitely, that name has actually propelled my career for the past 35 years. Yeah. Believe it or not. And so, yeah, I got contracts to Tokyo and I got all sorts of work all over the world.

5:08And I was bloating. I had issues. Then I got into fasting, juicing. I got results from that herbal purification, herbal medicine. And then I had about with alcoholism and drug addiction or party animal, whatever you want to call it. And I wanted to sober up. It took me like four and a half years to sober up. So in 1990, in 1999, I found a post on a meditation, 10 day courses in silence. And that was the thing that really saved me from alcoholism. From there, I started studying with indigenous cultures, Maori healers from New Zealand. They're known as the bone crushers and their specialty is birthing infertility, their midwives. So I learned a lot about what the human body could handle in natural medicine. And then I was offered an opportunity to work with an herbal company in the Amazon rainforest in 2005. How did you discover meditation? How did you discover meditation? Well, it was actually step 11 in alcoholics anonymous. And I'm not. So you went through it.

6:09You went through the AA-12 steps. Well, I definitely went through parts of it. It didn't really resonate with me completely, especially when they're drinking creamer and crappy coffee and sucking down commercial cigarettes. I mean, there was a lot of imbalances in that. And so I just, I saw what was useful. And I took it. I took inventory of myself. I apologized to the people that I had harmed. There was some great aspects in the 12 steps. And step 11, there was a june se qua with the meditators that had practiced that. And every time they would speak, I would be like, wow, what is that? And I would ask them questions. And then somebody turned me on to these liposinum meditation courses, which were 10 days in silence. How is that meditation different than other forms of meditation? Well, I haven't studied much other meditation. I just know that this is taught from the Polycanon, which is the language of the Buddha.

7:10And I've met many Buddhists over the years at these retreats, and they had never meditated before. So ideas or intellectual ideas or isms or religion, type of thing can spawn off of some type of master teaching. And so the Buddhist spoke poly, and most of Buddhism is written in Sanskrit. And so this is downloaded from the Polycanon, teacher to student, teacher to student for 25 centuries. And so, and it's, it's not about ideas. It's about sitting 10, 12 hours a day, hour long meditations, and you sit in silence. You focus on the respiration, you focus on the sensations. There's no intellectual ideas, no visualization, no contemplation. And so it's a pure technique. And I got, I got instant results from it, and I'm not into any type of religious ideas. I'm into practical application and results there, there, there from.

8:14And so, and I got instant results. So in 1999, I had spent about four and a half years trying to sober up, and that was the nail and the coffin of my sobriety. And so the combination of working 12 steps, but you did it in a way that was healthier, not the coffee and the creamer and the cigarettes. And then the 11th step, you discovered meditation that really put it all together for you. Correct. And the meditation, the technique is to sit a couple hours a day, one hour in the morning, one hour at night. And I would sit these long meditation courses twice a year. And I got tremendous results out of that practice. Sit and be quiet and focus on your breathing. Stillness, respiration, and then ultimately the sensations are going on all over the body. And the, the, the, the theory is, is that the subconscious or the unconscious parts of the mind and we're not unconscious, we're just unaware.

9:19Are always in touch with the sensations of the body and we are reacting either with craving or aversion towards these sensations. And so. Just still do this now. Yeah, I got off the path for about 20 years and I recently got on it last year and I've sat three courses this year and I've been sitting for a full year, an hour in the morning, hour at night as best possible. The 12 step program got a lot of familiarity I used to run a rehab center and 12 steps was the core of it. For many people, 12 steps is a religious structure. It's a matter of fact, Bill, whatever is last name, who invented a and the 12 steps did so from a Christian perspective. Now you don't have to be a Christian to work the 12 steps, but it certainly is consistent with a lot of Christian doctrine. Did you find that as well?

10:20Sure, I found, I found the purity and I found the cult like aspects. I saw both of it. I saw the purity. The steps, I think there's many aspects of the steps that are beautiful. It's also couched in language that people have to accept. I could never accept that I was powerless and maybe that's a game of semantics. Sure. However, that was the very first step. Now the rubber meets the road and taking your own inventory, asking for forgiveness and going deeper in each one of those steps. I think they have value without the religious aspects. What I saw in there is a lot of people would just go to the social aspect of the meeting and it was all about the meeting and being sick and being sober and how many days and how many years. It was all this thing about sickness. That's what I saw in it. For me, it was a turn off. I'm like Bruce Lee.

11:21Make what's useful, discard the rest, make it uniquely your own. So I have gotten good aspects of it. Twelve steps for sure. I've heard meditation described in this made sense to me. I'm sure there's a lot of different ways. Then our minds are always active. Even as you and I are recording this podcast, thinking when is my next patient? What are I going on tonight? What am I going to post on social media tomorrow? Our minds are like a waterfall of thoughts and ideas. The idea of meditation is not to turn off your mind, but it's like be able to step behind the waterfall so you can be an observer of your thoughts. Then you can better discriminate which ones you want to give your attention to and which ones you don't. Yes, and I postulate even one step further where the thoughts are always going to be there

12:23and you tap into the voice of God, if you will, or the ineffable, or the leading instead of what about this, what about that, the neurotic thoughts that we have. The reactions, if the theory of what I practice is there, we're not reacting to the sense stores, the sensual objects, the smells, whether we have an aversion or we have a craving towards it. We're reacting to the sensations in the body that get activated from the sense stores. When you slow the mind down enough to feel the nervous system, to feel the skin, on the pillow, all the sensations that are going on all the time, you're more in touch with reality with what is as opposed to the world of ideas which can get us into a lot of trouble. The clients you work with do you encourage them to learn this skill or art of meditation?

13:28Yes, I recommend going and sitting a 10 day deposit, of course, to 10 days where you sit in silence. Yes, and most people can't do it. I've been advocating ever since I've gotten results from it. I only recommend what I have done and have gotten results from. I've only practiced what I preach. I walk my talk or I don't talk about it. Sure. Do you think there's more entry level meditation that's accessible to most without having to sit in silence for 10 days? I believe that someone, so the short answer is yes. Now my meditation teachers and the cult that I belong to, they don't want other people learning other techniques. This is the technique from the Buddha, right? Distilled as best as possible teacher to student without dogma attached to it. They want you to practice Vapasana. Everything else is utilizing chanting or visualization, contemplation, idea of this God or that

14:37goddess, etc. They want you to deal with the reality, the truth within side, which is the sensations and the respirations. I will tell you this, before I found Vapasana, I started sitting. It was 1999. It was New Years. I partied like it was 1999. I got into a fight with my girlfriend at the time. It was one of those never again moments, never again. I was like, you know what? New Years resolution. I wasn't even into New Years resolutions, but I said, I'm going to start meditating. I didn't know what I was doing. Then I just got out of pillow. January 1st, I started meditating. I instantly got results. I didn't know what I was doing. Maybe I was doing home or E or some kind of sound, but I got results from that, like the anxiety was lifted. That was four months into the year and I found Vapasana.

15:39That's wonderful. People that are listening, we all have shit in our life. We all have problems and challenges. I've heard, as a matter of fact, Dennis Prager has used this expression on air. He said, and he gets this from a friend of his, the only people I know that are truly happy are people that I don't know very well. Meaning that when you don't know somebody, you scroll on Instagram or social media. You see the best of version of whoever is posting. When you get to know people on a very personal level, you realize they're just as fallen and flawed and imperfect as we are. They have just as many problems and challenges and difficulties as we do. That's the human experience and learning how to maximize and optimize ourselves is really the key by whatever mechanism, including meditation and fitness and many of the things that you

16:40teach people how to do. Yes. I mean, I like to say that we all have our dark side. We all have our shadow. Carl Jung was on to this and the gifts that were after are in the darkest recesses of ourselves. The idea is to shine the light on all aspects of ourselves, not sweep it underneath the rug like the pedophilia of the Catholic church. That kind of festers into a big problem. Speaking of that, you made brief mention when you were a Versace model doing your thing in Italy. You saw a dark side of the whole industry, the Jeffrey Epstein side. Did you ever cross paths with him? No, but John Luke Brunei, who has been mentioned quite a bit. I do believe he's died or suicide it or he was in prison. He owned models one and a lot of my friends were with models one in Paris.

17:46I was in and out of Paris briefly in the early 90s. I didn't work out of there very much, but Paris, Milan, especially the women's side of it. When the Con Film Festival was there, some of the women they would get cherry picked and they would go down to the festival. I did have a girlfriend from South Africa and she told me that she was paired up with Mike Tyson back in that era and that he sexually assaulted her as well. I don't know if that's true, but that's what she said. She was brought to con. They came back to Milan. I just know that the girls in general, it was good if you were about 14. That was the good age for girls and about five, eight. Girls started a lot younger. I know that there was a famous supermodel, Nikki, forget what her name was, but her father

18:50was a Florida sheriff or CHP. They flew around, Nikki Taylor was her name. They flew around with her. They didn't let her out of her sight. They did good for them because they saw what was going on. I think many women have come out. There was a whole Me Too movement. Some homosexual photographer Bruce Weber was fingered in that Abercrombian Fitch, which was also owned by Les Wexner. That whole male model in Abercrombian Fitch, sexy look, that was all designed by that John Luke Brunette, Brunei or whatever his name was. Bruce Weber was the photographer for Calvin Klein at the time. It was kind of incestuous, all of that stuff. I was on the periphery. I assume even though if you follow Troy, certified health nut, you'll see because he will show

19:52himself, shirt off, exercising and so forth. You'll see he's got the body of about a 20-year-old. I assume you're not still modeling. Well, I guess I model every day because I'm on social media. You do. You model a very different lifestyle than the one you used to live. Yeah, I've been in front of the camera for 35 years. I was an actor in LA after modeling and I did stand up comedy. My career is still going. I have friends in the film industry and TV and film is kind of over right now. They've just got streaming and Netflix. If you can't sell a show there, there's not much left for you. Everything is social media now. My son has got very good jaw structures. He's a beautiful young man. It took some pictures of him, sent him to my old agents and they're like, the industry's completely changed. Yeah. If he's got a million people on Instagram, they might look at him. So I started a path of questioning. Somebody who's listening that's as messed up as you and I and many and they heard you talk

20:57about meditation. Maybe they're not quite ready to go on a 10-day meditation retreat. I've never done that. It frightens me the idea. I read a book by a guy who was a news correspondent. I think on CBS, he had an on-air panic attack and he ultimately discovered meditation and he wrote about a 10-day meditation retreat, silent retreat, funny as hell. It was very difficult for him, but about halfway through, he had this breakthrough where he got what the benefit of meditation was. The book is called 10% happier. Can't remember the guy's name, but you can look it up on Amazon. He has an app called 10% happier where he helps people meditate. What would be your recommendation if somebody wanted to start some sort of meditation program? Kind of do that that's accessible to the average person. Well, I would start with movement meditation. Walking is the best exercise for the human being body. It's the way we're designed to move through time and space.

21:58What? Everybody can do it. Walking without distractions. So no iPhone, no headphones, no electronics, just walking in nature by yourself. Yes, that's best. I recommend getting away from as much technology and as much of the commercial conduits as possible, which includes food, medicine, grocery stores, farmers markets, be farmers markets, being your own doctor, going to the gym every day. Even if it's not the gym, because the gym's not such safe places with all the shedding now. For sure. I got a video coming out about that. I'm definitely thinking of getting rid of my membership. I got a fever a couple of weeks ago. Shedding. When you say shedding, describe for our audience what you mean by that. Well, going into a hot yoga room and sweating with a bunch of people that are definitely adept to the commercial conduits, they're not a nature boy like me. And vaccinated, for example, with the latest messenger RNA COVID vaccine.

23:02Or the flu or the shingles or the whatever. But yes, the boosters. And you and I, Jeff, we know about the inserts. We know about the pitfalls. We know about the 1986 act. We've probably been studying this for a very long time. And so we're aware. And I almost kind of forget about it. Like 90% of the people that probably live in Scottsdale where I'm from, they probably get all sorts of injections and boosters. And God knows what. And you know, it's a human being. You don't want to judge them. But I was in a class recently. I started doing plotties to rebuild my core and getting great results. And then I got a huge fever. And I was in bed for like a week. And I'm sorry. Dude, that was due to some exposure that you had. So something. I mean, we also had the invisible rainbow. So there's all sorts of new frequencies. Right. Troy, we're going to take a quick break. I could talk to you for hours. Then we come back.

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29:17truth. All right, we're back with Troy Casey on informed descent, such an honor to have you on. I love your post. I love following you. You inspire me to be better fit, more grounded, et cetera. Were this name certified health nut come from? So certified health nut was born in the Amazon. I started working with an herbal company down there researching the plants in 2006. I drank the ayahuasca with the Shopee Po Indians. Hey, tell me about tell me about that. What was that like? Iahuasca is this psychedelic. I guess it's an herb that you drink that's supposed to have have this kind of outer body experience. Tell me about that. What was it like for you? Outer body or inner body. I mean, it affects everyone different. I didn't go out to the angels and as a purgative effect, it's basically like drinking the earth, like boiled down earth with very bitter alkaloids that penetrate the liver, the gallbladder,

30:19the intestines. But more importantly, the nervous system where we hold our beliefs. And so, you know, I spent a lot of time with emotional, like gut issues, puking, shitting my brains out. I mean, it's a purgative. It really gets everything out of there as well as has a psychedelic component to it. And so it was a very powerful experience. And towards the end of the ceremony, because you go through the ceremony and they sing these various songs and they're lower vibration in the beginning and it's almost guttural. And then they sing the medicine through the chakras. And by the time you get to the end, there's these very celestial frequencies. And you just feel amazing and your heart is open. And I had been studying natural medicine for about 15 years at the time. I was doing stand-up comedy in Hollywood at the time and had a career in front of the

31:23camera and the certified health nut was born right there in the Amazon. I laughed out loud when I came up with that name. And so... I love the handle when I first saw it. Like, who is this guy? I love it. Yeah, laughter is the best medicine. If we can't laugh at ourselves, you know, it's like we're taking ourselves so seriously and statistically we're sick, right? And everything's scientifically validated. How the hell is that, right? We've got to get back to nature and as many facets as possible. Nature has the solution. God put forth the solutions here for us and we've just gotten so far away from that. 25% of all cancer drugs and 42% of all drugs on the market get their impetus from rainforest plants. So I was in the thick of the jungle, you know, studying the powerful terpenes and alkyloids of these plants and the drug companies just wanted to make drugs out of them. But when you isolate, standardize and synthesize them, they create side effects and side effects

32:23are a marketing gimmick. And so these are toxic effects on the human body. So why not just take the herbs? And of course, the jungle has powerful herbs. Harsh environments create the most powerful medicinals. However, I live in the desert. We've got Mojave Shaprall here. There's powerful herbal medicine. Before 200 years ago, 300 years ago, we didn't use drugs. We used herbs. You're in Arizona? Yes. You mentioned you lived in Venice for a while and now you're in somewhere near Scottsdale. I'm in Scottsdale now and I was in Venice, Santa Monica for 25 years. Uh huh. Left. I left right after I met you during COVID because they had my children locked up in a Waldorf school and it was like, we were paying for it and they were on Zoom for six hours and they had a zero media policy. So I was like, we got to get out of here and that something's wrong, right? Because the homeless were partying in the streets and my kids, you know, were locked up in the house and I'm like, yeah, that's not cool.

33:26For sure. So, uh, talk to me a little bit about how you work with people. Who do you want to work with and how would they connect with you if they're interested in learning more about Troy, you being a certified health nut, they're struggling and want your help with natural medicine to get to get better and to heal? Yeah. So traditionally I work with, you know, mainly men, masculine vitality, if you will. It's, uh, it's an interesting pitch in today's world. Holistic health is natural and all of a sudden we got all this biohacking and gadgets and gimmicks and new drugs, which are peptides and, uh, you know, most men are on steroids these days. We have a testosterone issue. And so I like to work with men to help build them up. And the more I kind of secluded to men, then the women want to work with me. So I work with anyone that wants to be vital and healthy and have energy.

34:28In this toxic world that's ever changing, I believe that we are the solution. We are the miracle that we're looking for. And so getting people back to nature in as many facets as possible. And so I have an online community. I have a group coaching program and I have a one on one coaching program you could find on my website. And we have a free gift for all the viewers for my curriculum. I like to tell people, Dr. Jeff, there's nothing new under the sun. Hydration, nutrition, sleep. The body needs sleep. There's tons of research on that. The body needs movement. A stagnant body of water turns into a cesspool. The pump for the lymphatic fluids is the transverse abdominis, the pelvic floor, and the diaphragm. The body requires movement every day. There's nothing new under the sun. So I coach people in to getting back to the basics and creating a lifestyle around the basics. We need organic food. We're made out of the earth. We need pure water.

35:29We're mostly water. We're in relationship with everyone and everything. It's a good idea to make peace with that. And the biggest thing that I work with in my legacy method is helping men find their legacy and their purpose where there is no vision the people will perish. Man needs purpose. Otherwise, they'll go around in circles. What's your favorite book that instructs men how to do that? Well, my book. Your book. Tell us about your book. The hashtag ripped at 50. A journey to self love. It's not a how to book. The book is written like a novel, so people will actually read it. I did a lot of research when I wrote my first book. Only 10% of people that purchased books actually read them. So if people were to pick it up, I wanted the stories to catch them. I was incarcerated as a youth. I was homeless. I grew up on my own. I was in the fashion industry. I sobered up. I went through a divorce and all the stories are in there working in the Amazon rainforest,

36:31sitting in the post-it-a-meditation courses. And at the end of each chapter is one of my nine pillars. Putting it in basic practical application, easy for anyone to do. Man, woman, or child. And so ripped at 50, a journey to self love. Do you have a faith belief or a religious belief? Do you consider yourself a Christian? I definitely enjoy Christian values. I have a direct connection, direct experience with the divine, with the ineffable. That's my religion. I find that through being healthy, being a clean vessel and an instrument, and I utilize nature to access that. And so I have a direct conduit. I don't like religions or structured teachings because I see that human beings kind of abuse that. My dad was in a cult. I got picked up in hitchhiking when I was 12 by Father McGuire of the Catholic Church

37:35in Marbarale, Connecticut. And this guy was supposed to be a pillar of society. And he asked me if I wanted to get drunk and then started asking me sexual questions. I was 12 or 13. So I have a lot of distrust to the systems. And I am a no system system type of guy. For sure. And so people can contact you through Instagram, Facebook, even YouTube, at Certified Health Nut or your website with the same name. CertifiedHealthnut.com. Yeah, I'm easy to find on the internet. You're wearing a shirt. Most people are going to be listening to this. This says gratitude is my attitude. Troy, what are you grateful for? I mean, everything. And this shirt is designed to be a reminder to message to self, right? So, you know, going through my divorce, I had picked up a gratitude practice because I needed something to anchor me in.

38:38And I still do to this day. I am grateful for the home that I live in, my children, my ability to, um, close and feed myself. I am grateful for the hardships that I have been through because they have galvanized me to go further, which doesn't kill you, uh, makes you stronger. I am grateful for the relationships that I've had over the years, good or bad because they've taught me so many lessons. I'm grateful for all the wonderful opportunities that I've been able to have as a career in front of the camera and to be able to learn and travel the world extensively and see things from, uh, uh, and out of the box perspective, I've never had a real job. Um, I've always worked for myself. Um, I'm grateful for my relationships that I have, my, my relationship to you, Dr. Jeff, I mean, the profound work that you're doing online. I feel so grateful to be connected to so many patriots and, uh, truth seekers out there.

39:43Um, and ultimately I'd like to become, you know, all of us to become patriots, you know, of the earth, right? We're in symbiotic relationship to each other. And I think I believe in a world beyond borders, past ports, uh, war, weapon, all the nonsense that we see in the divide and conquer. I do believe we can come together as one and I do believe that we can live in harmony in this, uh, biological expression that we, uh, uh, experience here on earth. As we're talking, uh, in the Nevada desert, uh, burning man just concluded, have you ever been, and do you have thoughts on what that, what that whole adventure is all about? No, I've never been. I partied a lot when I was younger and when burning man, when I realized there was a burning man in the world, uh, I had just started my family and, uh, I certainly wasn't going to go in the desert for six days and party and, you know, you got a lot of responsibilities

40:46starting a family. And so I just focused on that burning man, um, dancing in the desert in nature. I think dancing is great, but it's fueled by drugs. It's fueled by, um, sex drugs and rock and roll. And, um, that's just not where my head is at right now. Now I did do a lot of ecstatic dancing when I moved to Sedona during COVID, uh, and I found great solace in that and moving my body out in nature with some good music. Uh, so I think that has tremendous value. I think art and expression of art and human expression has value, but the debauchery that it's become and the commercialism that it's become, it's like, uh, it's like human beings kind of like commercialized and bastardized everything. We can't put it. We pimp it out, you know, right? And so are you, are you in Sedona now? No, I'm in, I'm in Scottsdale. I mean, yeah, okay. And Scottsdale for, for four years, my children are in school and I'm really focused on that.

41:51Otherwise I'd be back in in California. I miss the climate, but I don't miss the political climate. You're in Orange County, correct? Yeah, I'm in, uh, actually, Corona Del Mar sub subsection of Newport Beach, coastal Orange County. Well, you're in the crem de la crem. My, uh, my landlord's live down there. Yeah, it's not a, it's not a bad place to live, but the politics are pretty terrible. Um, and I'm the wrong personality to, you know, I'm just, um, I'm just, um, I'm just, I, I have, I have a big, I have a big voice and I speak it freely and I believe in free speech and, uh, and I don't believe in the totalitarian tiptoe and I can see clearly since 9-11, that was my big wake up, right? 9-11. I, I saw that things weren't right, but 9-11 was a big wake up call and then working in the Amazon, I saw that oil exploration was one of the main culprits in deforestation. And I came out of the jungle with an open heart after drinking the ayahuasca and I saw

42:53a mountain of sawdust and I saw two by fours on barges going up to Home Depot and the destruction and the pimping out of the rainforest, which I knew was a problem working with an herbal company down there. And I wanted to come up with solutions and I read John Perkins book, Confessions of An Economic Hitman to understand the way of the world and the IMF and the geopolitics and how the world works. And so I've since then advocated for solutions and my four major solutions for saving planet earth are free energy, gift economy, permaculture and self-care education, Dr. Jeff. Could you imagine if we taught elementary school kids how to take care of themselves? We teach them the opposite and we feed them, uh, cafeteria garbage. Oh my god. I actually grew up in the 70s. I, we actually had some semblance of real food back when I went to this school cafeteria. What does your diet look like, by the way?

43:54My diet is ultra clean, um, farmer direct organic, um, farmer's markets. I do shop at some of the bigger, uh, stores that go to natural grocers here. Um, and so I usually eat, uh, protein once a day, uh, meat or eggs. I have a farm drop for raw milk and eggs for my children, uh, once a week. And, uh, and then I work with an organic superfood company that's been around for 35 years. We own farmland in Utah. We grow, uh, heirloom wheat grass on volcanic ash beds, so mineral rich nutrients. And when it comes to nutrition, you know, we're just looking for sequestered sunlight. And, um, and so, and greens are part of the closed organic life cycle. So it's a herbal and superfood company. I've been with them for 13 years. I've helped people eat cleaner and greener and save time and money at the grocery store. It's a mail order company.

44:56I have a mic. So, Neil Link, I'd love to, I'd love to check them out. I'm always looking for nutrient dense organic healthy food. It's not always easy to find. I'm lucky here in Orange County. I've got a mother's market down the street. I've got a huge farmer's market down the street. I like being able to buy food from people that I can shake their hand that I know that are growing the food that I'm going to eat as opposed to big box stores that you're never really sure where it's coming from. That's correct. And if you've been following along with Amazon.com, they're bootlegging stuff now. And so, they're counter-fitting. So buying supplements off Amazon.com is a no bueno anymore. Yeah. I agree. Troy, you've got a new book coming out. Tell us about it. Brave new man. When's that book going to be released? Brave new man. We're still working on some business aspects for certified health nut to actually market

45:56the book, have an in-house marketing company. My first book was marketed with a partner. So it's been done for the last couple of years. It's been about 75% done. It's basically my walk through COVID. And I was sued. I was robbed. My bank account was vaporized. And then I was sued. And I stood up for myself with common law and filing my own affidavits and getting into irrevocable trusts and understanding how to operate in the private as well as all the COVID restrictions and the tiptoe towards vaccinations. So it was that whole time era. And it's an allegory of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World dystopian novel from the 60s.

46:57Well, look forward to reading it. If you want a physician to write you a blurb or a forward, let me know. I'd be happy to help you. Yeah, let me get that over to you. There's quite a few corrections that we need. It's pretty much, I could release it right now. It's just I want to make it more coherent and bring it up to 2026 as well. So I will send that out to you. It's almost ready, but I still want to get it right. And I write like a novel as well. So I really want people to voraciously read it and get something out of it. For sure. Do your kids think you're crazy? They know I'm crazy, but they also know the world is crazy. They're and they went to Waldof so they know how to think instead of what to think. And they're navigating the world and they're seeing what's out there. And because no one had big conversations about sex and abortion and the pill and all that

48:02stuff growing up in the 70s with feminism, no one had those conversations with me. So I have those conversations with my children. Good for you. Are your kids unvaccinated? Correct. They've been unvaccinated and they've never been to a pediatrician. How about that? So I mean, they have no need to go into the commercial conduits for anything. They don't need permission. And my son has lofty ideals of going into a career for himself. And we had a large discussion about because he's going into aviation and we had a discussion about the potential if you go and fly for a major airline. Like this curveball can come up and I've invested a lot of time and energy of not poisoning you. So you may want to look at that and then you may want to look at what's going on on Twitter and look at all the myocarditis and the hydrogels and the synthetic red blood cells and all the nanotechnology that's building from the mRNA and the potential problems because I don't

49:05want to tell my son what to do. But you might want to look at the potential problems you might have for just going, oh, I'll just take the vaccine. It's not going to hurt me. Hopefully he does his own research and comes to his own conclusions and doesn't just assume that what you're saying is right, but he comes to that decision by himself. Yes, very smart and he is. And I'm doing my best to not be the way my parents were. I had good parents, but growing up being born in the 50s and stuff like 40s, baby boomers, they still were trying to teach the kids, sit down, shut up. And it wasn't the same. My children are geniuses and I treat them as such. I'm very open. Some things I rule with an iron fist. I don't want to bullshit anybody out there. Otherwise, I like them to come to their own conclusions. Yeah, you know, we're coming up on the anniversary of 9-11 and not coincidentally, the day before

50:13last year was the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And there was a huge memorial held in Scottsdale area. I think it was Glendale. Any thoughts on that as we approach the anniversary of Charlie Kirk's assassination? God bless us all, Dr. Jeff. I mean, God bless us in our awakening. Whatever we're going through, whatever's happening is happening now. It's happening now through when ever the quantum leap or the big shift, you know, I've been talking about this for years and people are like, what do you mean quantum leap? What do you mean this? What do you mean things are going to shift? Well, when 2020 came along, because I studied the Mayan temples and was part of the movie 2012 and the shift of consciousness, the shift of the ages. And so I knew it was coming. And 2017, 2015, I was like, this isn't it? 2020 came around and I was like, oh, something's going down. And sure enough, three months into the year, it started and then, you know, it continued

51:17to go on. And so, and then there's more shifts coming. And I see it. I feel it. And I just think it's a great time to be alive and to stay present and to have the faith and to keep doing, you know, what's right and aligned with natural principles. Who do you follow that influences you to stay on the path that you're on? Man, I mean, myself is what keeps me on that path. I mean, my mentor is the great Paul Chek and he's one of the top strength training and rehab guys in the world. You know, I went to Charlie Kirk's event just to finish that up the year before he was murdered and my son works at a restaurant, his favorite restaurant here in town. So, you know, we were surrounded by that. I can't even, I don't even know what's going on, right?

52:20Because the way they presented it and now Candace Owens is questioning everything. I question everything since 9-11 anyhow. For sure. Every single school shooting, every single news program, every single hot topic, every single newfangled, woo-hoo, like, you know, ozempic and like, I question it all. Everything is, especially if the information is coming from some government and healthcare agency. Oh my God. You know, I've noticed this and I don't know if it's my algorithm or if you're saying it too, there's been over the last month a handful of, for lack of a better word, influencers on social media that are beating up people like you and me. They'll play a clip of our video and then talk over us and criticize the things that we're saying and try to lead people back to be more in alignment with traditional government,

53:21CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics kind of information. Are you saying that as well? Yeah, but I have the antidote for that. I've always had the antidote for that, Dr. Jeff. That's what the Certified Health nut is here for. That's why I do the butthole sonning. I do naked sunning. I drink my own urine and ancient practice. Not for everybody. I don't promote it, but I do it and I've been doing it for 20 years. I do sexual kung fu. I do ball slapping. I took it all the way to Netflix, baby. This is my comedy show. So if people start fingering me and then I can rip my shirt off, I'm 60, baby. Right? I'm 60. So you can have all your little theories and this, that and the other thing, but here is my vitality. Here is my virility, my victory, baby. And so take it or leave it. I am natural man. I am Sasquatch. I am primal and I will go to my grave with that. I love it.

54:21I think you have such a huge influence on people to get in touch with nature, to be natural, to look for cures that come from God, not for man, if you will, to get sunshine, to eat holistic and organic food. There's such a yang and a yang, such a, such, I don't know why there needs to be a fight. There's people fighting us. We just want people to be happy and natural and find their true meaning, their God-given meaning in life. And it's an ongoing battle. And I think the further along in my walk, I get, the more resistance I get. Well, you're an MD. Well, and thank God you're an MD with a clear voice because you get that moniker and then you also get to say the way you say things very naturally. You know, I work at a lot of doctor's conferences. They bring me on because I say what they can't. And so, but your presentation is amazing because you bring in all your medical doctor background

55:24and you speak very eloquently. You know, I grew up on the street so I speak the way I speak. Melissa and Troy Casey's Certified Health Nut. We're just about at a time. What else do you want people to know about you and tell them again where they can find you if they want to follow you and learn from you? Yes, certifiedhealthnut.com, at sign certified health nut across the internet. We've got free gifts for you. We'll put in the show notes over there. My nine pillars or a copy of my book digitally. My message is to people that they can live drug free, pain free, stress free, tapping into their heart and soul and the basis of what we've come down to the planet for. I think all these challenges that we're dealing with in the modern world are to awaken us to our next level of enlightenment, our next level of consciousness. I think that we've already had technology.

56:26If you look at the Egyptian, the Inkin and the Mayan temples, we've had technology. We've had something like free energy here before. We've also misused technology. We're just here at another bifurcation point. For sure. And what do you want to choose? You want to choose love or you want to choose fear? I think it's here for the choosing. Troy, thank you for influencing me and for all you do. I can't wait for your new book to come out. We've got to do another podcast for sure. Awesome. Thanks for having me on, Jeff. You got it.