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Buh-ya!

All right, welcome everybody to the last edition of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show.

Along with Jason Lloyd and Tyva's Powell on that and the bull.

Like Anthony Earl Steve on the other side of the glass.

My name is not Tyva's.

It's Tom.

Oh, would you stop?

What is that?

Would you?

Oh, cool Tom.

That's what I guess.

Oh, it's because you're an uncle Tom.

That's that's undefended Jason.

Oh, my gosh.

How angry would people get if we hung right now?

Can I give you a hug?

No, we can do this.

No, you don't make it worse.

You don't make it worse.

By the way, Jason's in such bad shape.

He pulled the muscle just talking.

I don't know what happened.

Like my side hurts.

Yeah.

You're out of shape, man.

We got to, you know, I'm not that far out of shape.

I'm not as good a shape as I was about to.

You're not that far out of shape.

You were two of us.

I'm pretty good shape now.

It's all gone to hell.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I'll hug you later.

We got to get the browns and good shape, guys.

After what they've done in free agency and trade so far,

we'll talk about that.

The cabs lost to the Orlando Magic.

Plus where the Guardians rank in terms of starting pitching

in the American League.

All coming up today.

We'll say hello to Mike for the first time.

Hello, Mike.

What's up, guys?

What's happening?

What is this hat you're wearing?

What is that actually?

What?

A fishing company hat.

A fishing company.

If they send me something,

I will wear it on air.

Yeah.

I can't read the logo.

That's why.

What is the logo?

I'm not quite sure.

Dude, it's a compass.

Do you not know what a compass is?

I thought it was a fishing logo.

It's a compass.

Well, this is super embarrassing.

But it doesn't matter if it's a shame.

Poor Mike, I put him in a tough spot asking about that hat.

Well, he did look at the hat when he put it on his head today.

I took it out the box and put it on my bad.

I will bite neck by the tail.

You just got berated by Anthony for.

I'm sorry.

That didn't come off very meat.

Let me tell you how this morning went.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell us.

So we come in.

I text Anthony this morning.

I said, hey, our new sales guy, Jordan,

has two clients who he wants us to shoot this fake read for.

Okay.

He come in early, can we do this?

Perfect.

So we come down, we put these mock reads into show them what it would kind of look like.

By the way, two very exciting potentials.

I like it.

I like it.

Two that we all have heard of.

We know.

Nice.

At least.

Good job, Jordan.

Nice job, Jordan.

So not over the line yet.

Not over the line.

All right.

But he said hopefully these little mock up reads could be the last thing that they need.

See, no other show is going to tell you about the advertisers we're hoping to get for

the show.

No, we come down.

We record the reads.

It's awesome.

We're going to talk about the cabs in a second and they're the end of game situation

where they didn't have a challenge this morning.

I get a phone call from an NBA person.

I put it on speaker so I could listen to this NBA person explain why they don't end

or agree.

I'm not going to tell you what they said and it's gotten all the the pluses in the world

this morning.

He comes out here and berates me.

And just kill you and just puts the bus in reverse and right back.

Oh, he was apoplectic about how sorry, wait a minute.

We share an office and you take a call on speaker and suddenly that's a plus for

me.

No, it was great and I appreciate it too for two.

Yeah, I really want to this was a conversation with the NBA executive.

I wanted you to hear Mike's bleeding all over the microphone.

Wow.

Do you also listen to your music out loud on the bus or your not cast?

Those are some of the worst people in humanity.

That's what I thought some of the worst.

Did you see speaking of which did United Airlines just made it where you can't listen

to things?

Yes.

Best rule ever.

They ban you for life.

I don't know why you don't have headphones.

If you don't have headphones, that's embarrassing.

You should be ridiculous.

I'll get charged for that.

Well, let's take a carry away.

So you get banned for life if you try to listen.

I don't know if that part's true, but I doubt that's true, but, but, uh, you can't

listen.

Make sure you charge your headphones going to the game.

I see.

I never, maybe that's a problem now.

I haven't traveled regularly in a long time when I was flying everywhere.

Most people didn't listen unspeakably.

Yeah.

I rarely see it.

Once I'd rarely see it.

It was, I was one of the last couple of times I was on a plane.

There was somebody a few rows back that was watching a movie with no headphones.

And I was like, that is beyond where you want spirit.

It's not frontier.

I would never fly either of those airlines.

I have.

I've flown them.

You're too good.

I am too good.

Yes.

I've flown them.

I, you know, as funny as I think I flew, I flew with spirit one time while I went to

Jamaica.

Yeah.

I was like in middle school.

Okay.

That's about it.

I don't think I've ever rode this before.

This is a true story.

And I will try and find the picture.

I flew spirit about five years ago.

Man sitting next to me had four shirts on at least.

And he pulled one shirt.

He put his head through the sleeve hole and like slept with his head buried in the sleeve.

I've never seen anything like it.

That's what you get for flying spirit.

You fly with barn animals.

But you're flying with barn animals.

I mean, spirit and frontier.

Hopefully those aren't the new sponsors coming on.

Because spirit and frontier.

I brought that off.

You're never going to believe the season.

This is really, really awkward right now.

No.

Oh God.

You got me.

But I told my wife, flying spirit and frontier is like putting a plane in a slingshot, pulling

it back and letting it go.

And wherever the plane lands is your death.

That's where you get off.

That's where destination.

Oh, Atlanta.

Well, it's...

Sioux Falls.

Sioux Falls.

And he just got a Sioux Falls.

I just got Jason.

I mean, you should tell people what you got me with yesterday in the group, Jack.

We chased a lot.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I was on the phone.

And I'm like, so I couldn't respond.

I'm like, Mike, how do you not know he's tracking?

Yeah.

You couldn't believe you didn't realize.

Well, it is because it's with the Hadigordans offered.

Yeah, I mean, somebody posted in our chat group about like Jay from Arizona said something

something about it chased the water putting up these huge stats in spring

training and I I responded and said yeah Chris Anthony just said you know he

needs more seasoning or something like that yeah he's got a triple A and then

Mike was like was angry about are you serious what is going on you know

you know should we talk about that I forget that we said should we talk I can't

remember exactly how he put it but he was upset but of course I was just joking

around although you still never know for sure with the guardians but as long as

he's healthy I think he's I don't see how he could not possibly talk about the

daily day you never know when he's going to be healthy and when you're going to

get hurt you better take advantage of the time he's healthy yeah I mean the

guys killing it so much in just spring training numbers what was his when

he got scratched the week what was that for it was a general sort of lower body

sort but he's fine but he's fine he's fine there's be an extra cloth you don't

want to send him to Columbus and have him pull a hamstring there like have him

pull it up here don't waste good at bats in Columbus yes you know he's ready

all right let's get to our first topic of the day and that's a loss for the

Cavaliers yes not the lost though it's how they lost which will be honest this

is the first time over the Rendon right now a quick reminder that starting on

the 23rd yeah we've got to do it every day this Monday but in two Mondays

couple changes coming to the ultimate Cleveland Sports Show we are changing

times from 11 a.m. to 10 a.m. the first hour 10 a.m. to 11 is just in the WKYC

app if you take a picture of the QR code on your screen it'll take you right

to the download the second hour 11 to 12 will be both on the WKYC app and on

YouTube it is a good thing for the show it costs you zero dollars and zero

cents to download the WKYC app I got a note from Brandon the digital guy

upstairs he said he's seen a massive jump in WKYC app downloads over the last

48 hours there's no way to track exactly if their UCS as viewers are not

but I'm gonna assume that all the new I would so thank you to the early

adapters and we appreciate your guys by the way I know there was some people

worried you couldn't download it in other states or other countries you can I

know I know I know in Canada I had I asked somebody that I knew in Spain in

Canada you know your sister was in Spain my sister was in Spain I asked

somebody in Canada somebody in Mexico and somebody in Portugal that I knew

all to download it they all did the one in Portugal was having a little

issue with the app I don't know what was going on but the others in Canada

Brandon upstairs I text him said should there be any issues internationally he

said no should not be any issue can you any state it doesn't matter and it

has to be WKYC plus the app can you watch it on the website I believe I

don't know what's on the website because I believe on KYC just dot com WKBC dot

com they live stream the right I believe yeah probably but I will find I will

find out I would say just download the app that's good question yeah but we

should have the yeah we should get there's we don't have all the answers to all

the questions people are asking work them all out and again starting the

23rd which is not this coming Monday as you said Mike the following Monday

or the show will be from 10 a.m. to noon going forward with the first hour only

out of WKYC app all right so guys the let's get it to it all right I got

set this up okay set it up with how you're saying I know you don't even know

what I'm getting to okay I know what you're getting to but go ahead did you

see how the game ended last night I did go ahead well they run down which I'm

not reading for the first time which I never do that yeah I admit I didn't

read the rundown yeah says calvesverse magic that's all around that's all

says so I said it for anyone who didn't see how this all went down the

Cavaliers were down 30 because Vince Chalene wants us to make sure we're

talking about basketball yes Vince Chalene who's asked to be a guest on the

show wants to make sure we're talking about basketball yes that's a whole

well they're comfortably that's a whole story I shouldn't even run shouldn't

about so the casted out 13 with about five minutes left they cut it to two

yeah was 17 and a half seconds left then there was a

errant pass by Desmond Bain to Palo Bankero that went out of bounds they said it

was off Cleveland James Harden vehemently disagreed however they'd already

used both their challenges if you use both your challenges even if both

they're successful yeah which was the case for the calves last night you

do not get a third challenge kill even was unable to challenge the play the

ball stayed with Orlando they call the timeout hit a three coming out of the

timeout turned into a five point game with 15 seconds left the game was over

after the game Chris feed or Cleveland dot com who was with the team traveling

as the lone beat reporter for the calves caught up with Donovan Mitchell who

had this to say about the idea of not getting a third challenge quote and I

quote and I'm having a hard time with the rule of once you've had two

challenges and you can't get any more especially when you win both he went on to

say Steve you take the next part of this maybe on bias because it happened to

us twice in game ending situations the past two and a half or three weeks but

they are game changing plays it happened in Detroit it happened here both of

them on TV I don't know what the rules should be if you're winning challenges

especially on calls that are very obvious I think it's something that should be

talked about right now if you challenge two plays that's all you get yeah

we don't get it I mean it's all your thoughts the rules stupid it is NBA does

replay so terribly some of them it takes so long I mean it's ridiculous yeah what

was the second I know the first one was when that's one on L is blocked the

ball and they said it was a fight and then he got picked out for he got teed up

and talking to the coach I know and then I was like he was saying that to the

rest they should rescind the technical if you get a technical on a call that

then gets changed after a challenge besides the point what was the second I

think you should get a technical foul for every flop I also agree with that but

the other call that he's referring to Davis was when they were playing Detroit

in Detroit in that overtime game with no hardened no Mitchell and Jared

Alan Fowl Dalyndur on the block on the block that the NBA the next day said

wasn't a foul that was the other one they weren't able to challenge because it

already won their two challenges prior to be fair to the NBA it's the hardest

sport is so many things going on at baseball football's tough but not like

basketball there's so many little things all the time the players whine about

every play they never commit fouls I look at Dodge as a

apparently the worst he's either where he's really bad yeah he a chalk to

whole play to be cousin to riff it's just the whole thing is ridiculous but in

the end I I'm gonna be that guy again and say who gives a rat's ass does it

really matter whether they win this game against Orlando or not well where is

where they had in this I mean oh the rule the rule is the rule I mean I hear

you on that but it's it's it's really but I shouldn't say that but but no

that's because you back to the meaningless man I want the I hate March and April

basketball but I want to play it to the larger but don't it's 100% right yes because

you're rewarding and competency by the officials they've already screwed up

twice yeah now you're letting them off the hook fighting calls in the future I

think in the NBA out of the NFL if you keep get it if you get the right you

keep getting the right yes yes yes it's like they be penalized for the

rough screw it up it's like the the ABS in the spring training game that

don't miss what five calls yeah and and a half or something like that like

terrible you you and you're right it is it's a hard game to officiate because

it's so fast now the players are more athletic and better than ever before I've

talked to guys about like do you want a fourth official out there and the answer

is absolutely not like the court is cluttered enough it's crowded enough with

10 guys and three officials we don't want a fourth official so I don't know

what the I there is no great solution that certainly they should be able to

speed up this replay process because I know that's a big yeah sticking point

is it it disrupts the rhythm of the game and guys and these replays can go on

for multiple minutes at a time football seems to be for the most part pretty good

they've gotten it unless unless it's like a change possession you got to go back

and find the spot and stuff like that then it may take a little longer has now

gotten good and fast it's easier stuff yeah but it's so easy yeah but the

basketball I don't understand why it takes as long as it does yeah some of

these but if they can speed it up then you should get you should not be

punished for being correct well they're doing it at the arena instead of

having somebody well they used to do it in New York New York we play

officials handled everything right and players handed that too yeah you know

it's bad with somebody walk up to a referee saying oh my life oh my whole

life he said yeah you want to see oh my life this was the call that they

couldn't challenge by the way so Bane makes an error pass to Bancaro it may or

may not have hit hard and last it may or may not who knows hard and immediately

says challenge challenge it's off it's off magic it's off magic and then on my

life yeah a player's never think they touched a ball and never I don't know

could you tell is there an angle where you can tell whether it hit them or not to

me it was off bank care I'll be honest yeah but I can't do from this angle I

could not find the other angles of the replay yeah there was an angle from the

front where you can see the hands and it looked like it hit bank care and

looked it looked like it hit bank caros hand and hardened sand was behind

bank care but never actually hit bank caros yeah either way Caves shouldn't have

been in this position they didn't play particularly well yesterday but I talked

to a couple different NBA guys this morning who's the conversation and heard

this morning the consensus was there's too many stoppages in the NBA already

and Jason you've sat in this we had games and I know Earl South I hate all

challenges I wish they would get rid of all in all honesty I would abolish all

challenges but if you're gonna allow two challenges the idea that you shouldn't

get a third if you're successful on the first two because of ref and

competence makes no sense why would you get rid of all challenges don't you

like calls to be correct I hate stopping I'd rather just live and die with what

the ref said and let's move on and play I don't like the stoppages there's

too many you don't like them because they're too long I don't like stoppages at

all I'd write I'd write out there's time out there's too many time out there's

too many time out so yeah I agree I also I mean time out there stoppages all

us but those stoppages are part of the game that the challenges in a first

quarter over whether or not that what happened is stupid I mean I think if

you're gonna get challenges if you get the first two right why would anybody

ever challenge well that's like that's dumb in the first half I don't know

that I would challenge anything in the first half like let it let it go it's a

first half save him the only thing I would ever I don't even know if you could

challenges I'm not I don't know the NBA well enough and the only thing I would

ever consider challenging the first half is there was a guy get kicked out of

the game or something like where it could affect the whole game like that

sure but on it whether it's in bounds or out of bounds or that's stupid

and it's every game it's so dumb I would save it for I would you know based on

the rules knowing you could only have two challenges no matter what I would

save my challenges for the fourth quarter and I know all points count the

same but still I watched this game and I had a thought last night what was that

the cast need you're an outlet so funny yes Dustin said the same thing on the

podcast I was like the paint isn't that funny it was down there well I was like

wait I see I haven't tried I think window Carter I think want to say you popped

the game off and kind of dunked on Evan a little bit and I was just like man we

do need we do need Jared out there his presence is me yeah we do we had a

typical Dean Wade game zero points in 20 minutes it's it was bad last night

Jalen Tyson was bad last night he's been off the mid was horrific last night

those three combined for four points Tyson has not been good since hard and

he's been the only one that seems to have been negatively affected by the

hardened edition is that fair to say yeah it's the who's shooting a better

field go three point percentage between him and Merrill since the all well

Merrill at least had a good game yesterday probably neither time is to the

Jared point it depends on which version you're gonna get because I've seen a lot

of playoff Jared's that didn't do them a whole lot of good so he's got to fix

that yeah unfortunately there's a lot of guys on this team where you like I've

seen playoff blah blah blah yeah and it's not good what is his you only

have to change that is to play better what's his injury Mike who Jared

Alan yeah it's just it's fine it's a knee bruise he's just there being extra

cautious with all right should we leave the calves there and get to the the no

one more than the cats okay so down the stretch this actually game related

yeah so Keon Ellis had 20 points last night he was five eight from three

he's been read on him in the last two games since he got acquired by Cleveland

Kenny opted to stay with Keon over going back to Jalen Tyson or Schroeder or

whoever yesterday down the stretch he's not gonna go five of eight from three

every game that's unrealistic but when Keon Ellis has been doing over the last

two games Jason I did an ultimate cab show yesterday and talked about what each

role player kind of to do to solidify himself in the playoff rotation Keon Ellis

Jason is making a hell of a case in 31 minutes last night to be the first up

in line when they need to kind of wing smaller guy who can defend but also

space the floor and make some shots he's been really good the last two games

yeah I mean the bottom line on what Mike and I were talking about was you got to

make shots first of all you got to make shots to stay on the floor but if he

can be the best perimeter defender and make shots yeah he has a place in this

rotation yeah I don't this is nothing new with last night I don't I don't know

that Dennis Schroeder has a place in this rotation I think he gets squeezed

yeah because he's played really well overall but I don't know that you're right

I mean we've seen in recent years good defenders like Isaac a Coro and D

Wade who can't make a shot in the playoffs can't play it's they become

unplayable yeah and I'm not saying Keon Ellis has to make five threes every night

no but the other team's got to respect it yeah right if he's make if he makes

two three like that's what you need right and that's Mike and I were saying at

the end of the podcast if the first one goes in it changes so much in a playoff

game right the first one didn't go in and it regular season game it don't matter

yeah when Isaac a Coro is alone in the corner and he's shooting a three and that

first one does not go in versus when it does go in yeah it's a big difference

yeah all right let's talk some football none of us were on the air yesterday so

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like did you say Harry Potter instead of Harry Potter Harry Potter please an

airy like he's Harry Harry Potter Harry Potter Harry Harry Harry that's in New York

in you coming out well my New York I mean New Jersey it's a thing Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry

all right whatever Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry I can't even say Harry

try to do it try to do it Harry Harry no hot hot hot hot here's the funny thing real quick

so my son's name is Aaron yeah AARN Aaron whenever we meet somebody and he's got to tell them

their name adults especially they're always confused by this because people in

Northeast Ohio pronounce AARN an E-R-I-N exactly the same right Aaron Aaron say AARN Aaron E-R-I-N

Aaron see yeah I say Aaron Aaron Aaron Aaron and Aaron the two I didn't know who was

a North East Ohio accent it's not see I had I had this argument they say it is

there's an act not there's an act they say especially everybody everybody they say like it has an

act in yeah like they say like that what's funny to me is there are some people who say it like

like Anthony Lima who grew up in Geography County he says Jaguars it sounds like he's saying

Jaguars he sounds like he's from the South for crying out loud so does oh no he's not from here

um the Jaguars this different Jaguars Jag Jaguars the Jaguars you say Jaguars Jaguars Jaguars Jaguars

a Jaguars well that's true Steve says it real weird Steve says it weird how we hear you Steve

saying Jaguars it's not Jaguars it's Jaguars Jaguars it's like Louisville versus Louisville it's

supposed to be Louisville but everybody says Louisville Louisville right or Louisville there's

something is there something in Utah that people are or or the vana versus the vata vata

the vana anyway I got to say guys on paper and that's a big thing just like with the draft

eat go ahead you kill my momentum here I am I am because well you just we just spent three

minutes on hairy hair all right we're talking football now I know what I gotta say I gotta

reset it and we gotta set it up for we gotta click right into the offensive line and that would

have not been the the way to start we gotta start with the moves they made before the offensive

line moves well at least before in terms of what we're going to talk about first they did

three things yesterday real quick ball around the horn Yorkers resign after Brian store the

horkes they didn't seem like cento it is the horkes before he when he said it was so good yorkes

so he's back they signed Jack stole and they tended Ronnie Hickman real quick around the

horn we're diving the offensive line thoughts on the three what good is Jack stole's a blocking

tight end good to have a work is back because we all thought today would move on it was so weird

respect we all heard with the special teams coordinator said I think it was three of us and we

were like I guess he's got like it now he's back and it was that was weird yeah I guess they don't

care about the coffin got a lot of street thought do we know what his deal is like is it a two

year that only one year two million oh that's what it is it just came out yeah okay one year two

million yeah because there are a bunch of parts still they steal my draft or a sign on free

or a free agent only two million is guaranteed work would him and have a competition two million

guarantee that's not a lot uh stole I mean what we say the guy is like 40 catches in six years

he's a blog he's a blogger you and you need that we're gonna get him getting tendered we

I assume you're starting saying guys pretty decent player if you're telling me you're draft and

Caleb Downs is sick but even if you were why would you let Ronnie Hickman just watch all he's

getting paid a lot of money I don't know he's been a good find yeah I mean he goes all go books

all right so overall Mike oh I gotta say um I like what the Browns have done yeah I I don't know

like until the guys play together and we'll see it's you know you don't know but on paper

they have really improved their offensive line here I mean you saw this it couldn't get worse

it certainly couldn't get worse but here's the thing and we said this we talked about this time

this this is kind of why we got into that little bit of argument over a line where I was like

I just need five solid players they know I don't need superstars on the offensive line

no no start dissing you know and that's kind of what the Browns are doing I don't know why we

get to title the bomb thing up there but okay so here's the Browns off projected offensive line

right now a rookie left tackle you got John Zion Johnson at left guard Elton Jenkins Jenkins

why do we got Jenkins two positions spots he's gonna play two different Oh yeah you both

they're both Jenkins and Howard it right now they're not related for the record they're not related

so now it's I think it's possible that Elton Jennings ends up being a guard Whiplier play center

and Tevin Jenkins is a backup also what was his deal Tevin Jenkins yeah I don't think it

was much I think one year I didn't see Jenkins Tevin Jenkins money is not come out yet

when you it's probably as G. Bush say Minimowski how was Elton Jenkins at center last year I

think he was decent not nearly as good as he wasn't but he's much better at a guard yeah how about

does I floated I floated this city chat they should sign Rishi Walker and put them back with Jenkins

and they was both working together with the Packers right yeah right so you got chemistry there I

think they want I like that they patch work this guy with some solid veterans here I don't think

you want to have every spot like you want it a step you want to get that left tackle I still think

I don't have to get him at six maybe you get him at 24 I don't know but and I still think Tevin

Jenkins could be a backup but between Johnson Elton Jenkins and Titus Howard is that his name yeah

they've added three legitimate starting players and they had none yeah and now they have three

so and Tevin Jenkins is a borderline legitimate starting player too the offensive line on paper

has been significantly upgraded you look at I didn't think they would do this much at that position

what do you think they're going to do they had to get five guys but I thought he literally said

he was going with off he said he wanted to do a Chicago did I thought they said they were going to

wait to to spend money no no no no no that's like a big dollar big dollar you thought they'd they'd

sign for or they had no choice they you have the agent I mean you have you know further down

life free agency you have the draft boy you are comfortable with starting five rookies no so what do

you talk I just can't think they need this aggressive I have you don't think it's like four guys in

the first two days I thought I didn't know if it'd be in the first two days but I'm saying I mean

you had to get some depth I agree I will continue to say I I slander a B for a lot of the stuff

that he's done but one thing I will say he don't do is make the same mistake twice last year

the mistake going into the season was we didn't we ain't about to address the offensive line we

just go row these five guys out well this year they got they actually right now I believe they

got a two deep right now what if you get one more I think you get a left tackle you might have a

two deep like we got depth that they went on the offensive line like if somebody goes down well I

don't know if anybody's any who's the backups that are any good I mean you still Luke Dwan Tevin

well then you don't have a start if you start if you talk about Tevin as a backup then you don't

have a starting right now well now you could put Luke Whiplier at center and Elgin Jenkins back to

guard which is where he was better at but you got look you got your backups could be yeah I don't

care how you want to do it either Tevin Jenkins as a starter or backup Luke Whiplier Dwan Jones

that center you got at least that's it every can and kt leviston I think they made the decision

they're not kind of on Dwan Jones yes because he's not they you can't no he's not been he hasn't

played a completely I don't think they were lying on anybody that was here Whiplier's the only one

that made me and and and so like I thought they would trade for one I thought they'd probably

sign to draft one and maybe Whiplier starts right but they've already and they've signed three

and traded for one yeah so but I mean they had to get something I agree but I'm giving them credit

that they they address you know the whole my whole point is the bangles need six guys on

defense they sign too so I'm going to give him credit for the fact that they've done I think

that it's not like the bottom of the barrel like it's no they three guys they've added it seems

that it seems that they yeah that they've done okay now all I'm saying is that they're going

into this season we're at least dead at the position outside of last year where they had to go

take people off practice squats and stuff like that like they're not there so that's that's all

I'm they still have holes to fill but like outside of left tackle you could make a legitimate

starting offensive line right now yeah I think I think Tevin starts at right card we talked

about that before I think like the whole reason that they did what they did with Wyatt at the

end of the year was to get a look at seven right how was he Tevin yeah I think he's all right

in them last few games it depends what they feel about Whiplier I think Elton Jennings plays

either right guard or center depending on who they like more between Tevin Jenkins and Whiplier

whoever's better and right now you'd lean towards Jack in me eighth he was eighth overall as a

as a guard small sample yeah two three games I mean that's positive yeah yeah that's positive

they felt they felt they felt like Tevin Jenkins was better than Wyatt at the end and he was a

starter before coming to the Browns so when he's played in his career he's been good yeah and here's

the thing the issue is he hasn't stayed healthy the Browns online was terrible last year so that's

kind of going to wear on some of the you know like I'm willing to give Tevin Jenkins a fresh start

I so you so you want Elton Jenkins Jenkins as the center and Tevin as the starting as the right

guard probably okay but me if Luke Whiplier blows him away they could start him in center but

Elton Jenkins the right guard and who's the left guard that's what I want to know is that Zion

that's right Zion really Zion Johnson he's only played left guard his career Zion Johnson yeah

what what was a pro bowler who oh yeah oh yeah yeah two seasons that's a pro bowler yeah

he's been better as a left guard than Zion Johnson as he was much better as a left guard than he

was at a center so you put Elton Jenkins whatever you put the other guy in right guard I don't know

probably that he's going to be the center most likely he's going to be the center Tevin Jenkins

is going to play right guard Zion's going to play left guard and tight tight tightest is going to

play right tackle and you're going to get the left tackle hopefully in the draft you know

all right that's what in the first round and left as they say they go get Rashid Walker which

now to tell you that they go in straight position at the end of the draft do you feel they're

do you guys right now feel like they're more likely to take a wide receiver at six because of what

they've done here or no I think I don't think that what they've done has cleared that up at all

nothing it's both is still in place as it was two weeks ago I think they're more likely to trade

down than anything if they can find the right to 100% agree with that and I 100% agree with that

back end that I don't know like I could say Cincinnati and Dallas might want to trade up

A I don't know if the Browns would make a trade with Cincinnati in this situation

and you know Dallas might make sense you know because if they're not going to take a wide

receiver at six they could probably get an offensive lineman at 12 that they could get at six

I was I did the morning I did the morning show we had Mary Kay on and she talked about the idea

of talking up Thai Simpson to try and get somebody to come up to take tie at six I don't buy it

well I wouldn't even talk like what I'm just going to talk them up I mean

and the funny thing is like you need a quarterback too but you're going to give a rather team

I don't know but I understand like you get the highest price usually last year is the anomaly

yeah usually you get the highest price when the team's coming up to take a quarter back so

and teams are going to be hesitant to give up a first drop pick we talked about that too yeah

absolutely it's going to be hard to get that's what makes it worth it to what to trade back

well it depends on how what's your paint threshold how low are you willing to go

it depends what I know I said what what do you think the team is willing to give up to we'll get

to see it depends on how high they got to move that's why like 12 for reveal was Dallas

that's 12 that's how they want to you're not going to want you're not getting a future one for

that you get a second round pick this year probably yeah you probably 12 and two if you're the

Browns and you think you could get the same player or 12 or an equivalent player at 12 that you

get a sixth and you do it you might get that's realistic but so you think they would give a

did you say Dallas will potentially give up the 12 and the second round this year yeah that's

what I was saying 12 is I don't know I mean 12 and 4 I think I think like that points chart

I think that's become obsolete I don't know the team fully follow it as much as they used to

follow it pretty closely yeah but I mean last year that trade that he pulled off blew it out

of the water yeah that's true so I I don't know like if you if you're trying to get a 27 first we

talk about it for that's like a Julio Jones title yeah now you got a trade to the you got to go to

the 20s you got to go from six to the to late late teams probably really 20s to get a first

next year I don't know that you want to go that far down what a begets what's the jet second

pick that the jet second 34 no it's like 18 they got to first round oh I think at the second

first round they trade off yeah yeah where's that colds pick it's gonna be pretty low because they

might be they might trade up I doubt that they just traded for Gino and well Gino's not going to

stop them I'm saying every report out of New York right now is all lies on 27 it is how

can we of course there's a lot of teams gentlemen's pun on 20 rounds and they're not trained up

they're not the only team thinking that way yeah but I don't think I mean what do I know it's

it we're all guessing when it comes to the draft but I just don't think no I'd be surprised

if it trades up for tight that's why to that's why to Raven say hold on now let me let's back up out

of this thing I like to try to pretend it wasn't just cold feet did they got I don't think it was

just cold feet really what I don't think it was I'm telling you you buy this this it's not the

buying and you think they was going to get trade interests and max ground about that okay no

but I don't but just the idea that like Ravens are one of the best run franchising league you

think they woke up one day and go oh my god what have we done yeah no I think they looked at his

knee and said no we can't do this I don't believe that so you know that's what I'm not disagreeing

by the way Jason lock it for a he was killing the he hates that he hates the Ravens but that I'm

not I know they're going to go away and Jason but they're not run by the same guys anymore but

but you knew his knee was they already had his his knee right now is is going to be okay they're

looking at down the road now I understand and he's not going to be the same guy I was just talking

to kid about this he's not going to be the same guy in three or four years yeah what I'm just

just me I understand this but you didn't think that before you

I think they I think they said it rayhendrickson's not that

so then why wouldn't they have said that a week ago that's what I want to know that's why it's not

just cold feet because they couldn't done that a week ago maybe there's another reason they couldn't

do it I don't know it's weird I mean whenever a guy says in a press conference they feel gutted

I know they're lies you're not I mean I think I'm done I was talking to somebody last night about

this trade I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle I don't I don't think the Ravens

are just saying wait wait a minute let's just pivot you know every team is looking at them like

I'm not taking a chance with you anymore no well you can't you can't do it with you if the

Browns had done this they beginning oh they get destroyed you want to say yeah me it ain't going

going to be no before the new year yeah yeah you don't do it now there's all day you go through

and I put in our in our chat like there's a stain on them oh yeah but there's only 32 of these

so you got like yeah it's limited it's a limited trade pool art I mean Diana from our places really

going in on the race yeah good I'm surprised at how sort of strong she's there on some of this stuff

you know the the Ravens and Steelers because they've been good organizations it doesn't mean they

will always be well times change yes but I mean I I have a hard time believing that

they could have just done this a week ago they could if they wanted to sign trade Hendrickson they

could have done it a week ago no the party they thought it was going to cost even more than

oh they gave him 112 which is what you want to access stuff what do you want it don't be something

I actually think trade Hendrickson's about to go off the cliff you what I mean he's 31 I mean

in some point it's hard last year but any question to put a wrap on this we move on to

Joe Botoni of Tyvis from where the offensive line for the Browns ended last season we'll call it an F

G obviously is it fully now yet they still have a left tackle etc etc if you feel how good do you

think this line could be in 2026 I feel like this is incomplete I can't you can't really ask

is it right now yeah how good is it right now how good is it right now it's kt levis

than a star left tackle he is right now I guess so see minus but that'll it'll change well you say

are today yeah minus I know yeah that's fair well you wouldn't I guess in theory you could start

can and couldn't Tevin Jenkins play tackle he's played left tackle the past if you if you were doing

it right now I put Tevin Jenkins a left tackle put out Jenkins at left guard put Zion at right guard

and put Whiplier at center I give it a B minus I really think they minus I think they've really

upgraded this offensive line no doubt yeah no doubt yes there's still working that left tackle

thing they'll make a break the left tackle and they hit and I'm not confident they will but if they do

the offensive line could be pretty good so Monroe Freeland at six or trade down to 12 and

Monroe Freeland if you get Monroe Freeland and he's as good as everybody thinks he is their

offensive line has potential to be at least middle of the road for sure if not better and that's

good enough and that's good enough if you can get the middle of the road yeah you're good so what

do you give it to I get right now like around you probably see I'll split the difference see

minus split the difference I mean you got to see I don't you guys never played together I don't

they never played together I don't know the scheme that they were running yeah I got I got it

I got it upgraded you got it up it all sounds good you're gonna have an upgrade at least on paper

in every spot you've got an upgraded that offensive line coach I've been I've been scarred in my

life where I thought there's two there's two time two scenarios in my life where I thought this

is a home run and they gonna be unbelievable yeah when Namdi went to the Eagles with a

Sante Samuel I said that's gonna be the best thing ever and when Chad and T.O. clicked up together

at what was that the bill I forget where they was playing together they played together somewhere

they were old I don't care I still it was them too it was Batman and Robin as they would call

they sell and that flamed out I said yeah never I'm not going you probably thought the

I was young no I was a kid you probably thought that net's team was gonna be good too I did

and the Lakers like the Carmel on yeah flamed out yeah enamored by the names

type is by the name all right let's get to our next topic guys quick reminder regardless of where

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talk a little Joel Betonio guys we thought we could get an announcement on his retirement as of

yesterday it turns out Joel doesn't appear to be retiring based off the dead money and the

cat pit that he is costing the browns this year had he retired it would have been able to be

split up over two seasons 23 and a half million he is now in the free agency pool and the browns

are taking on a dead cat from Joel Betonio of 23 and a half million this season which means Joel

most likely appears to be playing his final season elsewhere outside of Cleveland oh no

I wouldn't draw out of the conclusion that he's gonna play I still think there's a good chance

to get a retire a chance he's gonna retire yeah but he's not coming back here I would probably

put that third okay I would say I know a lot of people assumed it was browns or retire you're

saying it's not right anyway I never thought it was just brown good for him if he want to go

somewhere and have a shot at winning the ball absolutely good for him I don't dare ain't gonna be

no money from Cleveland that's gonna say nothing negative about Jason you know I'm better than we do

he doesn't care about the money does he at this point I mean he's made a lot of money in his career

I he's not going to another bad team is what I'm saying if he does play no I think he wants to play

I think you if he play if he chooses to play I think he wants to play somewhere where

he's got a chance to win the successful quarterback yeah that's what I think he's what's a good

team that needs offensive line I don't know um buffalo no he's from the west maybe he goes closer

to home saying for him I don't know the Rams they need to they I don't know if they need a guard

he has somebody retire off they line or is it right tackle no I don't remember but anyway I

listen to it he's earned the right to do whatever he wants green babe I would rank it just took

days I would rank it retire probably 80% yeah play elsewhere come back here and the browns

are operating as if he's not coming back right whether he retires it goes elsewhere if he

retires to let go he's over with if he retires now the browns still can't split up his

cap it no no that's why and Jason I appreciate you I guess clarifying it I thought the fact that he

did not decide by yesterday meant he had re-entered the free agency pause and unrestricted I mean

he's still retired anytime he retired anytime he is in the free he is in the free agency I guess all

things are true he is technically in the free agent because you went under the assumption that

if he was going to retire he would retire so he would not hurt the browns obviously that I think

he I don't know I he's probably wanting to shop around and he doesn't know the browns see see

what else is out I wonder if you want to shop around a little bit then I mean you still motivated

play I I would still lean I'm just I'm I would lean toward retirement still I still think he

retires but I think he wants he probably wants to just hear some people a deenies talk about that

on the show about when you spend your career in one place and all you do is lose yeah just go see

what it's like on the other side take a year now obviously Joe was not interested in that or

he got hurt at the end right right right up you know Zach has mentioned before I think Joel got

to the end of the season and felt like he probably felt better than he realized maybe I don't

know he had a little bit of backflare up this year he's dealt with back issues in the past but

and he could still play he could still play he did there's no doubt he's still a starter in the

NFL and Joe and Joe he's not elite anymore but he's still a star what if he goes to the Atlanta

Falcons I don't know who the left guard is but I'd say that's yeah but why would but he did

not going to win well it's a situation this system that he knows his bill I hear a call of

hand better offensive and I win it a super bowl they're probably not super bowl no they can win

it they can win that division they look at like yeah you know and it could be he's like hey is

there a good team that's gonna give me a contract right and if there's if it's only bad teams

I'm gonna get better than Kevin and Bill but we just talked about he wants to win the Falcons are

gonna be mediocre at best probably they were they were tied with the first place record winner

let's at eight and nine that's the point they got a shaky quarterback situation do they not they got

two I mean penics is the star of the selfie but we don't know if penics is any good

I don't know you know so I mean the Falcons are you know they're a middle of the road team

we all know they're not winning the Super Bowl so I don't know they're not winning they win

in those Super Bowl I'd say that now Jason will you rank the three options for Patonio again

and the order you think is most likely and he said retire I would say retire would be one

elsewhere would be two and returning to Cleveland would be three yeah I don't think what elsewhere

over the brown is it's simply a winning thing yeah uh he's like at this point of his career that's

probably the most I think he wants most yeah yeah I think I mean yeah I think that's

probably fair to say that he would like an opportunity to he's probably frustrated by all the losing

and all the nonsense yeah what's a team that we can not be what's a team that we assume there's

gonna be in the Super Bowl next year well I don't know if there's any team you can assume it would

be how we're assuming they have a chance to be in the Super Bowl Buffalo you Kansas City Kansas City

the Rams Baltimore trying to think of Seattle Seattle no another day last situation yeah well

what's from the best of luck I mean it's going to be obviously will be weird just like it was

with Nick Chubb's even another uniform but he played right guard at the stage of his career you

know what I mean like he ain't gonna play tackle no but I don't know with the movement the

footwork and everything would flip to the other side could he moved to right guard that was hard

I mean I think he'd want to play left left yeah so I I don't know if you're giving it one last

go I mean why would you you're saying move to right guard because he's not as good as he used to

me no I'm just saying if there's a team that needs a right guard yeah I don't I don't say I don't

know the answer to that okay I don't know yeah like it's I don't think it's that outrageous to say

that coming back here would be third right their grounds are operating as if he's not coming back

yeah right or it's going to be a lot three potential or it's going to be a lot of people that's

going to learn how to play the right guard and it ain't going to be him not here no I'm saying if

he decided to say you know what I want to go back to Cleveland oh yeah then and Zion Tevin and

Elton is that left guard is solidified right you might as well go ahead and get on the right side

yeah or you could trade one somebody you just say and if he comes back I guess in theory but

don't don't you feel like they know he's not coming back to them yes they've definitely

operated as if he's not otherwise you know you would have brought him back because even though he's

not as good as he used to be he was still their best offensive lineman when is and obviously

you can retire anytime but when do you think the latest a team would be willing to give him to make

said decisions it before the draft wants the draft you kind of have your the tray is always the

train line I mean there's always I would say after the draft if a team goes through the draft

way after the draft and he could he could he could come back or the season I don't think he'll

take I don't think he might not take him that long to the side yeah but if if he wanted to in theory

oh he could take it to John somebody would give him a job in July July they he took it to the season

left guard go down he would be the first call there's somebody would yeah so teams will go

through the draft and then if they didn't get what they wanted out of the draft they may I mean

he'll make he'll probably make his decision sooner than that I would I would think so he's not

gonna wait till the season I would I would think but he did somebody would still be he might he

wouldn't have as many options at that point sure because more spots would be full but let's

somebody gets hurt yeah I mean I don't know Conkland Teller and Betonio are all free agents and and

Jed Will who just live with the Bears they remember Joe I think it was on our show I think Joe said

he told Joel plays long as you can yeah because once you right once you quit that's it if you

was yeah especially that position right true Tom Birdie came well this ain't no Philip Rivers

like when you're offensive lineman once you walk away you're not coming back I can't think of

anybody retired and came back because an offensive lineman what's his name tried to do it last

year but he failed his physical the Lions yeah right now yeah right now I think he had just

retired yeah he missed like six months it was only right and then somebody did it they tried

but they failed his physical I think he might be coming back this year I think I'm

I'm interested to see where my boy Taylor Decker goes see how do I stay with you go bucks yes

yeah all right uh so anyway we'll keep obviously we'll keep an eye on all the former Browns and

where they end up uh with all three of those offensive lineman haven't heard a peep about David

Nijoku have you guys and there's been a lot of tight ends that have signed yeah all right he's

does it matter that he's opposed June 1st cut no I don't think so no it doesn't matter

oh yeah no why it's still out there the joke is still out there Conklin now Conklin now second

way you can be Conklin might have to retire wouldn't he he think they'll be interested in

doing still is he still on the cap to Jack or dead cap hit on him this is they have a dead

cap hit on everybody this is ridiculous man like this is this is this is how they're able to keep

spending money yes it's the strategy of the cap keeps going up so the percentage you take up

the smaller when you take the money if the Browns were good if the Browns were actually good at

getting players this would be a massive advantage I mean Philly Philly is probably the best

in the league it manipulating because this to some degree too but they're good at nobody does

it as good as nope nobody spends more nobody I shouldn't say nobody's good nobody spends one

of the Browns nobody everybody assumes that the Eagles are going to trade Jaylen Carter because

they paid George Davis I don't know I don't think we have a trade AJ Brown I don't think anybody's

giving them a lot for him and Jaylen Carter want to play here yeah take that take that deal

alright Mike what he got for us let's get to our next topic quick reminder download the WKYC app

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March 23rd alright guys the first 48 hours of the tampering period the unofficial start of

free agency is where most of the big names fly off the board but there is some benefit to being

patient and letting some guys fall into the cracks this is a list from ESPN of the best remaining

free agents you mentioned Rashid Walker a second to go Tyvis you have Kyler Murray Johan Jennings

Taylor Decker Stefan Diggs Joey Bosa go Bucks and Jacquan brisker safety still out there

uh guys is there a benefit to letting those big guys come out and then finding value in days

three four five six and seven of free agency or is anyone signed from this point on more in the

jack stole nice that piece well I mean these guys are all gonna be starters yeah you're talking

about I mean there's still some good players available you just hope that the the ask him price

come down that's kind of right I mean but what every guy on this list is gonna I mean maybe

Tyler Murray's not gonna be started depending on where he goes by assuming he's gonna be as

and he goes to Minnesota he's gonna be a starter and that's the the rumblings all these other

guys are gonna start somewhere so they're still value yeah depending on what you got to pay these

guys I mean it's you know what a browns be a part of it I don't think the browns will sign any

of those anybody on that list they'll sign no I don't the browns have not done anything at wide

receiver I know which tells you it's probably coming on the draft that's right and for once they

got a draft somebody one of those first three picks if not two have to be wide receivers yeah I

would probably yeah I baked that that's the way I got to do that but yeah I mean there's always

value in I don't even want to say second tier free agents because some of those guys are first

tier free agents I told you to be free agent I won't and he ain't gonna cost that much who's that

now Westbrook do Nick what is it yeah yeah Mr. Touchdown Westbrook I take yeah I'll take the guy

hey what is this what is he like six two six four six three something like that six should we

give you every height he's listed on on purple ball reference six two six two yeah I'll take that big

guy outside guy yeah take the top off the defense I mean the guy had just the one bazaar season two

years ago guess what we need just one bazaar season that's all we need well bazaar seems to happen

a lot around here yeah you know there's a name by the way it's still a free agent that the browns

won't sign at this point but Christian Kirk I remember Monday we came in and I was like hey I

were Pierce at Chris Paul a name to keep an eye on is gonna get a contract of a yeah I can't believe

I haven't heard his name has he been signed his name is number 13 on the great Christian watch list

on ESPN how he would brown a receiver who's still out there yeah a couple other names I don't

think the browser gonna sign any more offensive lineman I mean they've added four guys they're

gonna do some some in the draft the wand will still be here is a backup you would still got the wand

and whiplier will be here that's six offensive lineman the center might be out of time

zinter and levenson I don't know I'm not counting those guys let's just another contract for two

years he's on the roster nation all right so that's that's seven and then you're gonna draft

that one or two guys so I yeah I don't know the zinter zinters not definitely on the theme no

I don't think I'm gonna sign anymore for you I'd be surprised they signed any more offensive lineman

Zach made the point yesterday that yeah the zinter selection has cost of rounds thirty five

million dollars and guaranteed money for Zion Johnson and Elgin Jenkins Jenkins because that was

one of those two spots they drafted him to be yeah a batonio or a tele replacement and

can't get on the field is he really that bad he must be that he just signed two guards over that incredible

yeah I mean he was supposed to be close to a lock coming out of Michigan yeah they all

offensive lineman was really good then I I know he got hurt and my my call my call actually hurt

him in the game and I thought he stinks too coincidentally no hey hey the two of the worst we don't

we don't we don't know that he was hurt last week we know it we don't he he got you glimpses

can I get can I at least get this year I'll give you one more year thank you thank you

is this like she's doing can I at least get this year a position we haven't talked about

mm-hmm that I do think there's still some names of at least relative interest

is the running back position we know juggins should be back should I'm talking myself into

Jeremiah love I know it's not gonna happen but go ahead possible I don't hate crazy like

like they said then I would not be all the way I would be man if you're you're be your

Gibbs and Montgomery backfield but there are some free agents because and once again drone

forwards of free agent so they could bring he's garbage come on go right now it's just

quenchon juggins give me the free agent you're right I mean you got doing Samson he's gonna be here

I want to talk to Samson as you're you're only two running backs there's never been a team that

just carried two no but I'm just mentioning he will be bad right but go ahead shot white who

you mentioned bowl as a guy you like the other yeah he's not bad I like we're shot white as a number

two back he was good in that role for Tampa go ahead Brian Robinson no his skill set is kind

of more like Dylan Samson is it no it's more like quenchon juggins he's a thumper Brian Robinson

is a thumper yeah I must be confusing him with somebody do who got shot that play for the

commander last year he did it here with the 49ers I'm a like him I mean that's fine oh he

I would call him no scat bag I'm I'm I'm misjudging him go ahead Naji Harris

he coming off him for the keelies tear where Justin Herbert had to leap over him to run the play

yeah he went to do play action that man failed out he just jumped over like that right at the

red plate you got a couple of names uh Miles Sanders AJ Dylan Raheem Moster

not hey shut up he was just like 40 Austin Eccler now he shot he is 40 yeah Antonio Gibson

that's who I was thinking of that's to do from uh he was he the painter's like he was also in

Washington yeah he was used to be I watched yeah he is that he's that's who I was thinking of

the other Washington back I didn't realize Robinson was a free agent he didn't want he's kind

of in a disappointment though he was fine two years ago yeah Washington's got only one running

back on the air roster oh air possible Jeremiah lacrosque jacrosque merit what it called

about what's it what they called bill bill yeah yeah why they call him bill I don't get it uh his

when he was a kid his mom called the bill because Jacosky or someone a coach called them bill

Jacosky was too long they called them bill and he's became bill so the coach was too stupid to say

his own name to somebody called the bill as a kid and just became bill okay uh Nick Chubb

mmm man they ain't doing that it might be done they ain't doing that Joe mixing that he ain't doing that

uh any of the name Kareem Hunt they'll be getting them out oh no Kareem Hunt this this will be

coming out of the draft yeah I the only guy that makes sense it's very much well I guess there

is you got the two runner back from Penn State you got the the guy who also was at Nordic day you

can't always find a running back yeah yeah they they get them out to Joe to me reshot white is the only

interesting guy in the running back group that's a free agent like he could he could be a good

number two back I mean you technically have that now you got a good one two punches Samson just

a little bit better yeah which the offense allowing one good last year that's true that's fair

it's a position um yeah I mean obviously with the upgrades on the offensive line you know why

receiver remains a huge need we've talked about quarterback they're you know we'll see what happens

there I just want them to get a leader and the receiver room like I just don't think Jerry

Judy is uh no it's it's Tate Tate is a pro like he's just a pro guy do you know I can't remember how

well you know as far as a leadership we didn't work together yeah as far as leadership goes like

I don't think he's like a vocal leader yeah okay but he just like he's one of those dude that you

don't have to worry about he's gonna handle this business he can make sure that he ready to go

that's that's him right like he's been like that's just the first day he got on campus like he's

just a pro like but as far as like vocal leadership guys that people follow I'm not 100% sure

that's not his back yeah so like and I felt like that room is missing that like Jarvis Lancery

right right right we need that type of presence in the receiver room and she's doing a podcast now

is it good for you everybody's doing a podcast Jarvis and uh Jarvis was mean mugging I did

picture I saw a clip the other day of him I don't remember who the other player was and that's

the thing like some of these receivers like I don't know any like the only strong personality out

of them ones he shows digs right and is he the is he a good leader for a group I don't I know he

could turn you up we probably have him turned up I don't know if it's in the right way but they

they have to be aggressive for show yeah definitely has some aggressiveness to yeah to be it's

gonna be fascinating to see what the Browns do because they need more than one guy in at wide

receiver they need clearly they need a number one wide receiver but I think they also need a

number three wide receiver in my mind I know a lot of people are hoping that could be Isaiah Bond

or Cedric Tillman I just think him or she door had a nice little connect right but I look at him more in

that that fourth receiver role that comes in occasionally like because you think he's a gadget guy

yeah I see like what's his name the guy who was on the Niners you came here for one you got to hurt

Markees Goodwin Markees Goodwin I see him in that type of role where like I'm not running him

out there 50 plays but I use him occasionally to get a you know deep on and I just don't think

he's an every down guy but I certainly could be wrong I mean he could be better than that

I mean what's his upside potential he was like he was projected with a third-round pit I don't know

he was good in college he just had the the situation that messed him up yeah I think he was

around the third-round pit I think he I think the talent is there you got to remember like you

watched the guy last year didn't play with no OTAs I don't even think he had was he here for

training camp I don't think he was no I think he came so like he learned he was learning everything

on the fly yeah maybe did these job but we'll see all right Mike let's get to our next topic

guys the Cleveland charge back in action this Friday good as they take on the Santa Cruz warriors

and that's a big rivalry the Cleveland charge of the NBA G-League affiliate of the Cavaliers

the fifth season back in Cleveland they have alumni like Sam Merrill and they Quantomlin who are

making major impacts on the NBA level their current two-way stristan and Aruma Riley Minix and

Olivia Saur are showcasing that the G-League is home to future stars in the NBA get ready for

a magical night on Friday as public call transforms into Hogwarts it is Harry Potter night some

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Friday March 13th at 7 p.m. presented by Nuevo the first 1500 fans receive a charge scarf tickets

are on sale right now at clevelandcharge.com this ticket is so hot that Jason Lloyd has literally

left his seat and it's your thing to the box office to get tickets to take the full screen Jason

literally left his seat he's left to see he's got to get those tickets he said his son AJ

Harry Potter scoff so bad that he needs to get there before anyone else Jason will be there

Friday if you want to yell at Jason for all the crazy things he said you have a chance on Friday

because I cannot oh my god you can tell people who harass him and he's not going to be there Friday

so don't show up that's true I will be there that's true so I will be there on Friday for

Harry Potter night with the cleveland charge Jason oh Jason you know you get to deal with a small

bladder right now you have to go get them thinking you like what I did their time so it's

funny that Jason leaves when we're going back to talk cabs because I was going to start with him

on this but the reports around Max Truce getting more positive and more positive both he is in line

to play on Sunday for the cabs they host the Dallas Mavericks at home less than

what we got 16 games left 16 games left three days away from a potential return he practiced

in full capacity last week we've gone through team organized scrimmages I think it's

funny that you had to use your fingers to count how many days it was till Sunday I thought

today's Friday so many times and I thought it was Wednesday my just days are met it's been a long

yeah with the change of everything with days have been long time is when when you look at the

Max Truce edition the possibility if he returning on Sunday how much of a difference

does Max Truce make for the team is the difference in just winning a playoff game winning a playoff

series is it not that much of a difference considering the depth that they already have on the wing

how much do you think Max Truce impacts the cabs ceiling in the play I think Max Truce

impact is is astronomical to be honest with you I mean you think about we just talked about in

what the first segment we were talking about Keon Ellis he's not going to give you five of eight

every night and Jason just sat up here before he went to the bathroom was telling you about how

that first three matters in the playoffs hitting that first three watching that first one go in

it matters well Max Truce is out of out of him Sam Jalen Tyson and Keon Ellis he the only one as

you know for sure he's got the playoff experience and final experience that he can get it

so with that being said Jason got his tickets his Harry Potter tickets and so with that being said

with that being said I absolutely think it's big for this team to have a Max Truce now

I'm not expecting him to come out on Sunday and just light up and go five for five from the

three point line it's definitely going to take some time for him to get back into the swing

into the floor offensive things like that but I think having him for the playoffs is going to be a

big addition if he is what he was before injury like if that if we get that like we got us a

knock-down shooter that we can run sets for that can get open and stuff like that I think that's a

big addition Jason yeah I don't know what to think about him because what's he gonna I mean he

hasn't played all year he can't be in NBA shape right no and that's so I came back from

a tour of Achilles and played 29 minutes 32 yeah Max Truce and Jason thank you I mean you

really comparing those two guys in terms of being an NBA shape I think it's a perfectly fine

comparison not saying it's the player Jason Tatum is but right but what give me both guys

injury Tatum was a torn Achilles yeah and Max Truce had a Jones fracture in his foot he broke a

little tiny bone in his foot oh yeah that has been it can be a very significant injury yeah I

don't want by the way I say little tiny bone I don't mean to denigrate the energy it's energy

injury itself it messed up yeah I will see I'm curious to see what he looks like you know

um how is is Jason Tatum played again how many games he played now two three no

putting it after the cabs game he's on a minutes restriction no it's not

JT nope he's playing 27 28 minutes again nope he's not I mean they may be monitoring his minutes

but he's not under any minutes restriction all right well if they're monitoring his minutes he's

under a minute restriction yeah I mean it's he's not playing 40 minutes yeah he's not playing 38 so

they is just because they haven't announced it doesn't mean he's they're not being careful

you should be careful of course they tried to jail a brown child to throw this man an oop at

the beginning of a game oh Danny it didn't work did it what it says is first game back what's the

question on max what would what's like how much you can max waste yeah oh yeah the report max

juice could return to the cows on site what did he say what does that mean but I think he can

be an important piece for them you know as they when they were struggling before the hardened

trade I was talking people who thought like they really miss max max it's sort of like the glue

guy that can hold all this together so I don't know that he goes back into the starting lineup

maybe he does but he just does a little bit of everything that this team needs and I think it's

I think it's been a big miss for him that he hasn't been around and there I to me there's still

enough time to get him ready for the postseason there's still enough time for him to get his legs

under him to get his wing to get into game shape and by shape and hopefully find a little bit

of a rhythm they're not asking them to carry the load obviously with what they have around them

so I think this is I think it's significant I think it's a really significant that he's coming back

who's to start who started the three last night last night it was Dean Wade's and Merrill it's

been so Sam's going so they was the switch Sam would be going to the bench of max with start if

this was a playoff game like if he was held for you got the four and then to me it's between

right now it's between Dean and Max for that fist box for the starting spot which in a playoff

game who you will I would probably the swim in Max's I would I would probably take Dean for the

defense and rebounding he discussed it but it depends on a matchup it is it's matchup depends

but and if he's not making shots Wade has never done anything in the playoffs okay but if he's

on the roster you got to he's starting right now I mean it's just I don't understand you don't

need him to score he's a regular season player you don't need him to score 18 in a playoff

series you need him to make two threes I don't have any faith he can make you have faith he can

hit two threes I want him to prove me wrong I want I think proves me wrong I think if Max

Truce looks right down the stretch I'd have him start in the playoffs it's just a I mean there

it you could be right because I I like how it looked in the past with Dean is a starter I just

like the size that he brings and some of the like they for for as big as they are with mobility

and Jared this team struggles to rebound way too much yeah and so he can help him with that so but

I mean again it goes back if you're not making shots you can't play you can't be on the floor yeah

I mean he does like and I have more faith than Max making shots and I do exactly so why was a team

why was like a Tony Ale way but a play different it's hard to play straight B 26 it's hard to play

if you aren't making shots if see if you are not a threat to make open like

like Dennis Robbins couldn't play now he I honestly yeah I think he's really strong yeah I think

he was really strong but uh what's funny those early his career he was a score and then he

became this this insane character who just grab rebounds yeah I wish I could go play in the NBA game

in a playoffs just to see like get me like let's shoot it I just to see what that pressure feel like

I'm like they would they would shoot it they would leave you so far I know and I want to do you

understand that if I hit that first three oh you ain't give me give me the ball give me the ball

Tyler's right now you were an NBA playoff game how many points did you score zero

okay he was realistic zero listen yeah people don't understand it is levels to like basketball like

you mean six yeah that too but no because I was about to take Jay Crawford over defense but that's

a whole Jay Crawford not a professional baseball player well I mean he was he was pretty good he

was very good but he's 60 years old and I was almost went over to fence no but we're comparing

how you doing the NBA versus how you did against Jay that's not an equal comparison

he's a has been pedal to him there he will come back wow strangle you had his fighting words

right there I am too it was too washed up yeah but levels to basketball like like if I would

like make nuggets me hooping with like guys that used to play in the NBA long time ago and stuff

like I don't know how you NBA Mike well or play college I mean I have to play in the NBA but not

regularly but like it's it's it's you go play with them and it doesn't matter what you do defensively

they gonna make the shot I can't play with people like that like I don't want to because like

that's gonna make me really upset like yeah here I am playing this great defense and you just

gonna make the shot no matter what I do I don't want to play like that's the NBA like that's

what it is in the NBA like people they be out there missing and all of that and people think oh I

could get out there and say no you can I though you can't and I know I know for a back that I would

never like if if we was at if I should have been a walk in the lifetime and I seen Donovan Mitchell

in them out there I'm like yeah I'm gonna hit this one out I'm with this I'm gonna wait to the

up the has been coming here I ain't no all right well I'm surprised I thought you would have

said you could score but no I know I wouldn't now I go out there shoot it now they're gonna leave

me open I'm making one for show but if they defend it like if I was going up against Donovan

in lifetime I would post them up and try my fate now I know I could get shot are you tall

in the Donovan yeah he's six why what are you six three oh yeah yeah yeah and you ain't

gonna bully me because I'm in the way room too I didn't know you were to play that game I learned it

I didn't say stay for you I'm talking about check me I got I'm gonna get the ball

uh give me the ball in the pain I'm gonna take it all I want to post him up for show I'm not

sure you're moving down for show so you play don't think too sick wait time is probably moving

down wait time you play one-on-one with Donovan I ain't say I'm a win I said I'm a

most of score what's the score final score what are we going to you're playing a 21 21 to 1

you got one basket yes sir what do you think yes sir yeah he would get is it winners ball

losers ball what you want to do if it's winners once Donovan scored make it take I ain't

getting it back yeah I ain't getting it back yeah give me the ball first just give to him first

okay so you're back in the down you're not trying to shoot no I shoot no three

oh it's straight ball or a regular ball does that matter difference does that matter to me

NBA balls I guess I would give time as a chance to score I'm getting a point was a pro athlete it's

not that wrong yeah exactly you know I'm getting a point I ain't I ain't by any means he go he

gonna wipe the floor like I it's gonna go but I'm definitely score give you one point I wonder

what Donovan would say you got to ask Donovan that can I do I have permission to show Donovan

this clip on Sunday absolutely I'll show I'm not gonna be there someday I feel like Donovan would

strip the ball from you potentially he might be crafty enough to do that but see I'm gonna you

got to keep it high I mean you're not that much told that I'm he sure he can jump he can probably jump

higher than you know you got to get that ball yeah he can definitely hold on yeah I don't know why

I've been watching clips I've been watching champion yeah yeah hey donovan slam dunk champion

didn't he wear a slam dunk championship yeah I know he did the Vince Carter dunk and like

I'm done by having his jersey and I'm pretty sure that was him hmm I don't know if he won that

year ago donovan Mitchell yeah was the 28 did it unlike LeBron yeah 2018 won it his second one point

Donovan one point that's it you can win 211 for show but I'm I'm I'm scoring a point I'm sorry

you got to give by the way Mike you got to get when you talk if you showed Donovan this you got

to give him the context that obviously type a professional athlete you know it's not like he's

a slappy this is good yeah I'm gonna have to this may be an offseason project I'm not sure I'm

out enough one-on-one time with Donovan in the locker right right explain who Davis is show him the clip

yeah it's a long clip yeah yeah yeah cut it down you get one point cut it down I think I can get one

point I think you might okay I think you might yeah unless you push it all right Mike last thing

I should still move on top a little guardians it's the most realistic I've ever heard you I know

I respect all right listen basketball I respect it like I will never diminish what they do because

they are really good it's amazing it's ridiculous to see how like they you watch them play like

pick up basketball and they don't miss it's crazy yeah I mean you see like guys that we think

of being like stiffs in the NBA like Brian Scalibre needs and then he goes to the park and then he

just won't miss yeah when when when I was covering the league there was still about probably eight

to ten arenas where we set courtside yeah there ain't nothing like sitting court side watching

in NBA game watching these guys fly up and down the floor and do some of the things they can do

is on I sat court side once I was invited I certainly did not pay for the ticket like kind of

between the basket and the bench you know on the sideline and Kevin love almost fell in my lap

this is LeBron love yeah days and it was and I mean it was an amazing experience it's

unbelievable to see why are the best of close and personal sporting event you could be at I'll

tell you what else is amazing to see in person especially with great seats which I did one time

boxing man you don't realize what you don't need to go to a box I this was like a lower tier

I mean I mean I'm doing amazing to get something clean as well I saw a heavyweight boxing match I

was sitting right on the ring it was at the turning stone casino in upstate New York and these were

two heavyweights I can't think of their names but they at the time they were like heavyweights that

had one time been good like not elite but good guys and they were both kind of towards the end

and they were fighting each other and especially with the heavyweights it's every punch look like

they were getting hit with a sledgehammer yeah yeah and on TV it doesn't seem that intense but

I was watching a clip on Instagram by the day where it was COVID and it was like a boxing match

going on and you can hear every sound that date went in right because nobody there and do not do that

I was like yeah this is different remember Kelly Pavlik yeah yeah yeah yeah I wasn't I wasn't here

but he was fighting in young's town yeah and I covered it for the social press I don't think

about boxing I was like oh my god myself into it yeah but yeah yeah I mean it was that is

that's his person we were sitting ringside for that that was something else and what's funny

to me the worst in person sport is football yes it's the worst cap cap much rather watch on TV

cap it's not the worst in person sport and if you own a side well for a side boy you don't have

side yeah you know yeah back to shoes real quick yeah in terms of what he brings to the calves

he is kind of the middle of a bunch of different calves roll guys in that three spot right like

Dean was a little bit of everything yeah not a lot of offense you had a guy like Sam Merrill

brings the shooting in the spacing but rebounding wise defensively wise little suspect yeah

Tyson's kind of in between but hasn't proven it at the NBA at the NBA playoff level yet you know

not the same position as Dennis Shooter well neither have Dean Wade and Sam Merrill

Faber at least they've had games in the playoffs where they have existed right and I

really have existed as I like the experience experience yeah streus is kind of the happy medium

between them all he gives you in theory if he's the old streus the shooting he's not the defender

Dean is but he's not a slash defensively he's a good playmaker for his position as a secondary

ballhandler creator he's a little crazy which I think that starting five needs Jared and Evan

and Donovan and James don't have that little bit of crazy that I think a starting five kind

of needs at times which is why I go back and forth and whether I think Dean Wade could be that

fifth starter and he can be a guy that picks up and gives you decent point of attack defense

yeah which last night against Orlando we didn't talk about so a lot of people saying what the hell

is Moby doing defensively like what a bad Moby defensive game sure not his best defensive game

yesterday but when guys are getting blown by in the perimeter and he's having a step blown by in

the perimeter no no no great they guys said something yeah yeah yeah yeah when guys were

consistently getting blown by in the perimeter and he has to step up and help when they dump down

behind them that's not on mobile you got to stay in front so yeah he gives you kind of a little bit

of the best of everything and if he's the same player he was there's no way he's not one of the

guys can plus he's the most we know he can do something in the playoffs we don't know about the

other guy so all right Max good to have you back you hate Dean Wade I just don't I think he's

he can't play when it matters and it's crazy because if you go see him at lifetime he was

score 50 points oh he's ridiculous that's what he looks like he looks like the elite player at

lifetime fitness fair enough all right let's get to our I don't know if that's fair at all but

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both yes about time the Guardians rotation by the way Vince Chilini just sent me a text and

he's happy with talking baseball no I don't have his phone number what is this Vince Chilini

let's tell you guys it over we have by the way a great overtime topic for you a great

we're cutting a live promo for Tim Misney I just got an email in the last 20 minutes saying

Tim Misney is interested in spots on the show can you guys cut a spot I say we should all

shave our head like Tim Misney he he asked us it's we're gonna have some fun over time all right

cutting a live promo for Tim Misney uh but with the Guardians Bowl yeah you have mentioned in

the show the other day that you felt the Tigers had the best staff in the American League after the

addition of your Valdez and Justin Burland yeah yeah a lot was schoolable so my question was

what is the guardian staff rank among the American League best best in the American League

well you were at you asked me yesterday could they be the second best rotation in the American League

and the answer is no not right now no the yet well the answer is it could be

but right now yes you are correct it's not number two I think Boston's got the second best

rotation uh really that's the Toronto well I like with Bieber's health oh Shane's healthy Shane's got

but he's not healthy well he's starting the season on the injured list really yeah but as of

now it's minor we'll see so first of all you got three got you got Bieber who's hurt I think

this straight from ESPN so if you don't like men is in what ESPN well you left they don't have

Jose Barrillo's on there but he had a bad season Trey his savage is a great young talent but

he's young and he has a pitch much I like them and Cody Ponds just came back from like

Korea so I don't even know I just copy this from ESPN I mean those top three are legit I would

I'd say that I mean Shane has barely pitched the last few years so I don't think he's legit

well well I don't know what he is at this point Jason I was pretty good in the playoffs last

year give me put up the Boston's rotation uh you didn't tell me Boston I'll read you I did tell

you Boston I don't know what happened Crochet is their ace Crochet is better than anybody

on Toronto I'm taking that over Ranger Schwarez it's just better than anybody on Toronto just

good about better than anybody on Toronto the bottom side of Boston I don't love Beo and Oviato I

mean let's see about Peyton Tully coming up but the top three is very good well I don't

sonny Gray I'm cutting cool sonny Gray I'm I think he would he's as reliable as Shane Bieber

but he with the car knows he what he's done all over the place yeah I would put Swarez is the number

two and yeah but uh to me I mean I like Dylan Cease has got great stuff but he's always been

inconsistent well they're both very fair both of those rotations they're both better than Cleveland

yes and even the Yankees now the Yankees got guys coming back from injury I don't know how much

you can rely on Garrett Cole right but I like their rotation Max free yeah you know and now Cole and

Rodon are are not going to be ready for the start of the season if they will call me back June

May probably so there and be anything that was really good last year I I think the Guardian's

rotation like right now is better than the Yankees because Cole and Rodon are not going to pitch

but um long term I would take that one but yeah I mean if if Rodon and Cole are healthy that

that's better on paper but did I mention one of the team or no I don't you disrespect

Bryce Miller that's my guy he's hurt is he yeah I mean he's I we don't know how serious it is

yeah he might might be not they don't want they got a picture in the miners that pitch both

hand now they traded him they did to who to the Cardinals is he going to actually do that in the

majors I probably not pitch both hands yes the coldest thing I got him in his name he's got a very

jet gerangelo or something yeah that is something he got traded to the Cardinals in the

Brendan not of a trade which the Guardian should make it to the majors and pitch with both hands

yeah I don't know if you will but gerangelo synthetic that's like Travis Hunter going both ways

in the NFL it should be else in the West not the Rangers not the A's well I mean the Ranger still

stay up I've evolved me and Jacob DeGrom yeah but yes I mean you can't and you've got to count

Shane Bieber you can't rule off the what do they have after that what do they have after those two

I who else is what do they list for the right I moved up my head it was pretty good

SPN projection of our rocker of all the Mackenzie Gore Jack Lighter and Jacob Latz oh yeah I would

take the Guardians over there yeah I do like to talk about I think he'll be good talked about

anybody else in the East the thing the thing that the Guardians don't have compared to all

these teams we mentioned is a hundred percent short thing number one star correct Shane Bieber I

mean a Tanner Bible and Gavin Williams both have the ability to be there and Gavin Williams pitched

at that level last year or close to it but neither one of those guys is I'm certain he's

another one's not on the crochet level no or I mean there's not many on the in baseball they're

on the crochet level you know so that's the thing that puts them behind well listen don't

be wrong the Guardians love a good rotation I understand that but here's it's more about potential

and upside than it is about short thing right and really kind of depth it's they have good depth

you know like who's the third starter for us the slave Cicconi I like cantillo I think it's

going to be cantillo this year because he's the guy I like the most but Cicconi's good Parker

Messick oh Parker Messick the season starts what's today 12 yeah two weeks from today actually two

weeks from tomorrow there's one game on Wednesday night yeah two weeks from yeah and then everybody

else plays two weeks from tomorrow yeah for two weeks from today that's probably starting Columbus

right you think I think I would assume so yeah Alan let's start I don't know what's there you

know it's interesting there are a lot a number of teams right now talking about using a six

manner rotation the Mets are talking about it well it Toronto was considering it although they may

not if Bieber's not ready to go listen call when you got the one guy to pitch the first opener yeah yeah

I like that which is why part of the reason they got a chip they they should have done this years

ago change how you win this credit it yeah it's silly the rule is so the way they do it is so dumb

also if you're going to give stats about starting pictures you got to take out the openers from those

stats well we see because it's misleading well we see Austin head just pitched this year I guess

it's really possible yeah yeah sure yeah we could see it I can't I'm excited I you know I don't

know how many people out watching the show or excited about baseball season I know it's been an

under I mean underwhelming off season for the Guardian is crazy but it always is it's crazy

because for the past two years ago they was won away from the championship and in last year

everybody wrote them off and then they had this magical win streak at the end of the year to make

the playoffs combined with a tiger's magical losing state it was all tough yeah that that was

terrible yeah that was terrible but like the last it was at least excited they gave you something

to be excited about for two years it's just off season a lot more than two years the Guardians

give you in this in season a lot to be excited about most years new in recent times but it's hard

to get excited it's hard to get overly excited going into the season when the only players they

spent more than a million you know more than a million dollars on this off season were Reese

Hoskins who I like a lot Austin hedges and Sean Armstrong in the pulpen I mean you know you

excited about the water I'm excited about Valera put about David and Zardo not excited about David

Fry I messed up man why I don't think he's very good two years ago he was he was good for a half

of season that's been it well he could be good for nothing excited for roqueo no I hope I can get

it excited are you excited for Travis Basano where is he starting I don't know is he starting in

Columbus he will yeah you got time let's hope there's there's a rush for you don't see him

before going down a dog night going there would have but listen with Hoskins the water Valera

maybe the offense will end up being better than we think uh if they all play up to their

capabilities who's playing first base man Zardo Hoskins will D.H. you okay with that I think that

might flip man Zardo so bad defensively I just yeah but Hoskins is a good defensive leader I think

they just want the young guy I think they got to play him I would be fine with playing because I

think you got to play maybe they'll switch him up I don't know bad and something you've been doing

your entire life oh man Zardo's bad compared to other guys in Major League Baseball just like you

said with with Brian Scalibreini in the NBA or or whatever let's go to like Donovan Mitchell's not

a good defensive player but he would be at the what Donovan was an elite defensive player coming

out of college he was known for his defense right I mean Calman Zardo has trouble scooping

ground balls regardless of he hasn't played enough I'm with you but the knock on him is always

I hear you but most Major League players how do you play it is entire life it's hard time is

to field a ground ball I have a field of ground ball and you're making a field of ground ball

since 2000 and you and you couldn't catch a ground ball of a Major League bat I think I could know

you couldn't I can still say you do you think basketball's harder than baseball because I'm

starting to get an impression you're not as far as hitting pitches yeah yeah the rest of it yeah

do you think fielding is easy I do I mean naturally I was good at it except velocity of 112 miles

an hour backhand you're crazy I mean Zardo's are over 90

if that ball come on that man I mean I toss it like that with no man Zardo can't become an

adequate first base I don't disagree but he's a young player Reese Hoskins is not a good defensive

player either I'd play man Zardo at first base most of the time we'll see what they do I don't

know I don't know what their plan is obviously but and then we're going to see Juan and center

20 home runs baby and you know what he's right I'm the air in the lots of the Guardian show as

the Bay they're going to introduce me as baseball expert of my time yeah he's going to fit

hit 400 with 20 home nine I only had 400 three nine nobody's going to head 400 three nine

I'm going to head 400 but so there you go so the Guardians I mean is there anybody else

in the central that's got a better rotation the Guardians I don't think the royals do

the white socks don't the twins don't right now we still you the rays don't

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best side for you to go bet rivers and bet opening day Stephen Kwong home run put the house on it

so I could come here the next day I said he would remember 19 to go where were the Guardians opening

I know they're home operators against the Cubs where's their road up is it the A's the Dodgers

I know it's on the west coast let's see the car is scheduled for the remember I should know that

yeah bad job I know I know they start in Seattle oh Seattle I knew it was on the west coast

why they always started Seattle they have a few times they usually start on the west coast because

they're worried about the weather well it's about to be a hundred degrees over there in Phoenix

oh is it I just looked up the forecast white zone of Phoenix no my my co-host was saying like

how everybody goes to Phoenix for spring training and all that nine issues like it really hot

or it's like nine degrees and stuff right I'm going to Phoenix in two weeks for what owners meetings oh

you going you're going to go over the next game you told me you were going to Phoenix it goes back

and forth Florida Phoenix in West Palm I was not going to go this year I was a late edition so

controversy you see you seem thrilled yeah on that note they might make you work how dare they

now there's there's a couple different things I'm chasing for the athletics so I'm going to

the owners meetings all right uh killed time because I got to look at my phone here for a second

to find something so you guys got to talk about something time it's who's the worst NBA player you

think you could beat one on one no no no no the worst that I could beat

well at least you could give a game to it be a legit game

now I think we'd go back and forth and I can like I can hang with yes the current player

current player who you think you could have a competitive game of one-on-one with

well they have to be a guard because I can't I ain't about to mess with none of them

their mother was oh

hey dang that's a horror what do you think Mike for me none zero for him oh for

tivis trying to think it's somebody I can just try to have a darey's garland just step on his

toe first possession hey darey's been averaged to 21 points as well he's been playing as well

I think he's still coming off the bench right I think he started the last game I did he good for

him I think Kauai had 45 you he ain't see time is staying in front of darey's no I said if he's

he said step on his toe that's what he said it's an hour I can't really think of nobody because

I like I said I can I respect that craft I really do like it doesn't have to be somebody that

just cannot shoot Isaac a Coro he's big he's big and strong yeah you're not getting that I told

his eyes six six five six six oh yeah that's easy money that's light work six six light work

you know you you signed it up signed me up Ryan Nemhard on the Mavericks five eleven small point guard

super craft that you're not staying in front of him but if it was loser ball I think you'd be

able to back him down a little bit and get some decent shots there you go by the way

don't macaque lemon like did he not run the 40 at the combine now he ran it today what do you

run 448 well it says 448 to 453 according to Dame Brewer and then it says according to

multiple somebody owe me money you know what somebody on the barbershop on G Bulls you but the

all too much because I told y'all he was not going to run no 433 I know track he gonna run a

433 I say that man ain't running no 433 I'm a date yeah so what is that what does that do for

his drafts nothing is that's what you expected out the run this is the thing about these 40 times

you got you got to remember that like everybody made a big deal about car now it takes 445

or whatever the heck it was yes he the NFL is is intermediate routes like a lot of routes is

intermediate right but when John Ross ran that crazy time he got drafted I would do John Ross

to do it now thank you so but but I'm saying it sometimes plays a role in what these teams do

yeah but I don't think of 445 like people think of 445 is slow it's not it's just fine

445 with good route running is great JSE ran a 445 I think Puka ran a 445 it's not a

negative is what you say no 445 if it was a 446 we could talk about it but 445 like that's fast

so what's the average what's the average NFL receiver probably 445 so that's fine so the the time

he ran is just right in the middle yeah of what you wanted that's not a flag okay so there's

it's a non factor it's been a quiet day mostly in terms of free agency in the NFL I just wanted

to look to see if there was any kind of breaking news that it happened off the yeah there tends

to be a low once you get to Thursday before some of these other guys start coming off the board

because a lot of teams now are having their press conferences and trying to get them on drop dead

price that's what's going on on these guys how good is is Joey Boce at this point I he was on

that list of of free agents that Mike brought up before what did he have let he was with Buffalo

last year what was in stats I don't know I felt like he was solid last year Boce had five

sacks that's how old is he now 30 yeah about to be 31 you played with Boce right that was my dog

shout out to Joey he was a beast anytime I seen 90 so look back when I was coming out right yeah it

was you know you look at NFL like the goods in the bad yeah and then they have like somebody say

what we think of the player so in my thing on on if you go look at my combine thing it says a random

player want random coach in the big 10 said we wanted to run straight at him mean like I wasn't

a good tackler which facts I wasn't a good tackle I missed the most tackles when we won the suit

when we won the championship I had the most missed tackles the next year I had the second most

tackles but I was third on the team and tackles so just imagine if I made them tackle finding the

ball wasn't the issue maybe getting them down was but that's a whole another story for another day

anyway you you why do you think you weren't as good a tackler I don't know I don't think I don't

think I was as confident in myself confidence right I was just I was talking to Earl about this

on my drive up here like sometimes you got to hear stuff a couple of times yeah actually fully

grasped so like and when we won the championship like tackling the way we were taught the tackles the

first time I was being introduced to that style is the rugby style tackling it's the way that all NFL

players is being taught to tackle because it's supposed to be the most safeest way so that when I

first did it those two years it was like new for me so it was like hard for me to kind of grasp it

and it's funny because I went to the NFL to Seattle they were like the pioneers of it they were like

the first people tackling like that so explain that rugby style tackling it's taking your head out

it's shoulders near steps so like when you're running up to somebody you want to get your near

foot up first and then you want to put your shoulder into a grab grab squeeze the thighs and

drop a five that's kind of how you want to tackle to wear an old days it was put your face put

your face mask on they chest and stuff like that right yeah so it was just a totally different style

for me anyway you would play that way your entire trial yeah you just yeah yeah running take your

face mask put it everybody put your face mask through it's even in high school that's what everybody

used to say yeah so that was the way that you saw the tackle when I switched it up it was just

different learning that style so I went to Seattle and like in Seattle I became a much better

tackler because this is now would be three years of me being in the system and then I go to

Sam Fran the same style of tackling so like it became much better I say all that to say back to

Joey Bolsa how did what does this have to do with Joey Bolsa when the executive said that we

want to run at number 23 not if 97 was in front of me I know if I look down to see Joey down there

I know you're not running the ball over here so yeah whatever so you said I mean it's like

it's no play oh yeah you probably got a set injury issues he probably got about two

of the years two years left him he's he but he got to be what 30 31 something like that like how

old is Joey Bolsa he's about to turn 31 about to turn 31 yeah he has 19 sacks in the last four

seasons he probably got about two years left him yeah I mean he's a he's a third he's like your third

guy yeah at this point yeah but he'll still make some big plays I would love for him to go to

Sam Fran and play with his brother him and Nick Bolsa yeah the Bolsa brothers be nice

all right so do we expect the Browns to make any more free agent signings at any position

of significance I guess define that however however you want don't they be cornered that

didn't they sign a corner that we haven't talked about it all angel Ross I couldn't find anything

on them that's my point well there's a corner depth so so let me he's a special so let me get this

right right now yeah but the angel Ross the guy they signed tight started to cut you off but just

server was on the same page yeah uh been in the league since 21 yeah seven games since 21

all right so he's so let me get this right your starting corners your starting sorry seven

games last year but he only has 22 total tackers that's fine I don't care about that these

you got some experience but your starting corners is is Denzel and Tyson and then you got

Miles Harden at the nickel right who's after that because this has been the question this is

something they're not ever sent is unrestricted right he is so I mean that's something you because

this happened last year where I believe well Tyson went out it was a game where both of them went

out yeah and then I didn't know who neither one who do well they probably need some linebacker

depth to right they let the about they go I was surprised by that you see my I mean it's for

Daniel Watson still here because I know they draft the four but then you know those are these are

things that they're going to dress the mid middle and later rounds of the draft I would assume yeah

linebacker you know I don't think they'll make another see they need they need another corner like

badly do you think would you like to see them upgrade Miles Harden at at the nickel corner yeah

if this is important as Rudy say it is yeah I bet you're you're you you go out there you're

OC yeah you see the second there who you going out I'm going after him he is he really a starting

caliber player I think he could but I think he's scrappy enough that he could but potentially be

one I just think he was very inexperienced like right hopefully this is your two because I think

he was an outside guy and I think he kind of got forced into that role but in a perfect role he's

your fourth corner right yeah yeah so or third if one of them went like yeah outside yeah yeah third

outside corner but yeah yeah I yeah third outside corner slash second yeah like I would if they

want to go get a true nickel type of guy yeah and put them in there and let him be right there

are there any type of events that are available like nickel corners that you can think of

Mike today you see you see when they had when the the bills was going to release the Johnson you

see I said cash him out we needed nickel and then boom the Raiders trade it for our toast

dude was like arguing like the third best nickel in the league like I don't know why they would

even release them but whatever they're not separated by slot versus outside well read some of

the corners of Davis knows these guys don't know if they're slot corners I know he's not a slot

but do I know Martian I don't know where he's not a slot I'm saying you know him would you take

nobody's you need a slot corner no he's not a slot corner but I definitely taking for

depth reasons for sure I don't know I don't think Martian is good to be in Cleveland

uh my I wouldn't want to my home I just don't want him back here oh it's because he's from here

I said yeah I don't want that to happen for him but if football player watch I take him for a

third corner for sure who are some of the other corners that are available I'm gonna name just a

bunch of names you tell me I'm gonna stop Trayvon digs wait wait what are you talking about

who's the core a slot oh okay go ahead go ahead digs no uh cater could do I don't know you

just made that name up no I'm actually for one sub this is the real name sounds like a character

from the Flintstones I don't know Jardavius White Jeff Akuda Roger McCreary Jason Pinock

Nazi Johnson Adori Jackson who did play a little slot with the Johnny Jeff Akuda what a bust that guy

is chill out no no bugs is he the biggest besides Billy Price is he the biggest Buckeye bust he

was a top five pick now he was a top three pick I think he wasn't really he didn't go third number

three yeah whoo where do he where do you like I love Ela was 10th to the Giants I mean he's better than

Jeff Akuda yeah we had a better career at this point can Brit Taylor or can Taylor Brit well he was

terrible last year Martin Emerson not a slot obviously you're gonna bring him back no right no I don't

think he was already slow and he was on and he tore his Achilles so so there's no slot corners of

the name you take one in the drill yeah the angel of ponds that's I listen every year I say one

name that I want to brown take the angelo who the angel of ponds play for Indian sounds like a football

he's like five eight five eight yeah he's small but that dude scrappy and that dude can play

that football super fast they're thinking we're in a four three I believe he is that dude got

some attitude to him where's he getting drafted they keep saying he might go second round oh okay all

right let's get the super chats Mikey super chats first one Jim Carlton says if Evan

mobile he can't remember how to shoot a free throw teams are going to hack a mob in the playoffs

and it's gonna work and guess what he's right why can't he hack a mob it's all of a sudden it is

absurd how he is falling off a cliff as a free throw shooter this season down to six no excuse for

that 62% 62% for a guy who is way too talented and way too good of a shooter to be that low 73%

last year 62% this year missed a bunch of free throws again last night that's all mental that's

I don't know if there's a football comparison there's Jason I don't know if you can think of a

baseball you and ball can find a baseball compares it's it's not the yips but

free throws are muscle memory repetition it's not like it doesn't change like catching a football

I think there's a lot of mental involved in it like Jerry Judy with the drops yeah catching a

football is like that like I used to drop picks and they'd be like I don't I dropped that pick like

it's the easiest thing in the world but like when you're thinking about it you miss it but like when

you just let your body naturally do it it's just bang like there's nothing but I would imagine

free throws is like that too you sit up at that line I had a good routine I used to

once I knew how to hold your shoot from the line in high school you know I don't know but once I

learned that you supposed to shoot with the laces my free throw percentage went through the roof

really yeah I used to just shoot it I used to grab the ball I like then I start like finding

the laces and doing it like that and I used to make them all the time I don't understand how

any NBA player doesn't shoot at least 75% of the line I don't understand that shoot with the

laces I changed my life yeah it is the moment thanks to legit concern his three point dip

you could directly trace it to the calf like good before the calf calf and the recovery part

was horrific starting to get healthy again three point percentage starting to rise

his shots were short from three a lot during the bad stretch and once again it's not I'm not

giving him excuse but like you can see short on shots calf tied together there's no excuse for

being short on free throws I mean I mean actually there's I've been actually curious to know you

in Jason and Bull's opinion you know all this time we've been so well maybe not us but like a

lot of this fan base has been so wanting to push Jared out the door are we sure that Evan

after five is good I think it's I know there are times where you want Jared yes but I think

they're best offensive lineup like 80 a full season and playoffs with Evan at the five I think

their best lineup is Evan at the five and four shooters around him I've thought that for a few

years okay and and this and Jared has not been good in the playoffs not at all so if he comes out

and blit balls out this year in the playoffs maybe he can change a lot of the narrative around him

but I just think the best lineup is Evan at the five and four shooters around doesn't mean that

there aren't spots where that boy you really need Jared yeah there are times he's boy you really

need Jared he's played great with James Hardin he has and Mike and I talked about that on the show

yesterday and Evan is not a natural fit for for James on picking roles so yeah that's what I'm

saying like there is a spot for him but I just in general NBA general when you're not matching

dependent when you're talking about what's the calves best way to attack teams to me it's still

11 at the five and four shooters around you did the NBA would ever consider making the court bigger

why you want that I had just create more space out on the on the floor a little bit no I don't

I don't I don't think so no point line let me ask you this there've been talks about eliminating

the corner three and stuff like that I don't know that it'll ever happen there's nothing serious

in the works right now so we've had a sample size of Jared with no Evan and now Evan with no

Jared why is Jared better why has he been better I should say I'm maybe not overall as a better

player but like since James Hardin has gotten here Evan obviously was missed some time due to

injury and Jared was 20 and 14 why is Evan not that Jared is the perfect picking role player for

James Hardin perfect why because Evan should be able to do more Mike can explain this Mike does a

nice show of explaining this better than I do I number one is the size and physicality like Evan

just doesn't love taking the contact I don't think of Jared Allen is he's got a bigger body that's

about it he's a dicker body he's like taking a screen yesterday we did a lot of what a

what a yesterday of the show we did a illustrator breakdown of the difference in how Alan set screens

versus how mobile set screens Alan is a rim runner in the traditional sense which is how Hardin

wants to play mobile is not a rim runner has never been a rim runner what does that mean exactly

go back watching us to this show we did a whole tell a shitter thing I'll give you a quick

essence you set a screen you're going directly to the rim oh it's Lord of the room

rim like a picking true a picking role get to the rim well but that's that but Jason said the

problem is he didn't like to set the picks that's the same that's why Alan works Alan is a

traditional rim run I'm not saying he doesn't like to set the picks I think Jared is better yes which

is why when we acquired James Hardin I kept telling you like Jared Allen's gonna be the biggest

beneficiary you did say that that is the kind of player that is worked at every stop of James

Hardin's career what do you believe when he sets screens is more of a picking pop player he's a

picking fade player he's not the guy who likes to get directly down so I don't want him instead of

Jared at the five and see like given like I don't understand like I'm here I hear you on the

playoff thing he does have to prove it but let's say he they go left I mean if he proves that the

playoffs were having a different conversation okay so the way Jared has played since James Hardin

has gotten him he if that translates to the playoffs you rather have Jared at the five if that

translates to the playoffs and he's rebounding and he's playing this well and he's yeah okay

I'm totally open to that changing but he hasn't shown it the play that's fair no I just

fair I just I was just I was a little shocked they're like and I and I didn't factor in the

playoffs like how Jared in the past has been in the playoffs I'm just thinking about the right now

like he played like that why wouldn't you want yeah cuz I told you every to me is the next

factor player I'm not depending on how but Jared has to be Jared what he what we've been seeing

out here all right next super yeah mr red pants as Cleveland has accents too we're the only

place to say tree lawn tree lawn that's not an accent that's a slang what else is it cold I mean

that's just tree lawn I don't know what you call that what do you know it's not an act it's not an

accent what do you call that is nothing what it is called some people call it a devil strip

yeah yeah Cleveland's not the only place you called I call it a tree land what did you call it as

a kid I just a little just ask Steve what it's I don't think it just grass tree asking the guy who

doesn't know what a compass is yeah Michael I think we call it the tree lawn I can't think

anything else that I have ever called the lawn I don't think that's a Cleveland exclusive all right

all right next palace life kid says would you guys trade back from six and draft sedic

pair him up with fan in two big-time tight ends no yeah I don't know that you're trading back from

six to no no because as I was talking to an insider I don't I'm out on sedic you're out yeah why

which the down what's the thing with him allegedly obviously I can't confirm it but yeah what I

what I'm hearing is it's not a not the most motivated guy me not not great yeah not like

Shay said he's heard some not a great practice yeah okay not not truly want to be the best

king young gree says same sources say standards can't walk in chew gum said Dylan was a super

computer puts their credibility into question we haven't even talked about that we got the message

for Vince Jolini and we get to talk about Shadour Sanders today three and there's still

three in a whole show for Vince with no Shadour just for him yeah I never once called Dylan

Gabriel super computer now one that was Mary King never and it was we haven't even talked

about it but we did a full show with no quarterbacks yeah we didn't talk about the quarterbacks

at all today essay Spencer says Tyvis wouldn't score on Bronnie stop capping oh I respect it would

you score Bronnie I believe so but yes I respect it well I wouldn't it's like 21 to 21 you don't

think I would score that does Bronnie doesn't play real minutes does he he's a good glee player

that's not my question no that's all this Bronnie six four six three he's a legit glee player

he's a good glee player yeah he would never he would go or he would never and I don't care

because there's nepotism all over the place but he would never be in the NBA if he wasn't LeBron's

son right now right now right now he's he is a legitimately solid glee player yeah yeah

which is pretty impressive because you don't think I can it would be 21 to 1 against Bronnie

Bronnie's a tough match because he's your size and he is a really good athlete like you believe

you think he could score more easily on Donovan and Bronnie no he said can make a competitive game

saying no no I didn't say a competitive guess it's 21 to 1 oh you it's go you score oh yeah good

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