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The English teams have been tearing it up in the Champions League so far this week. We chatted to Lars Sivertsen about Martin Ødegaard’s blistering early-season form and signs that adoption of tactics long-favoured at Arsenal and Manchester City might be helping Liverpool turn a corner under Andoni Iraola?
The Parrott theme was strong throughout the week given he's scored the winner in the last two game. Ken was irked by some beak/peck errors on Real Betis' social media accounts and the commentary of TNT's Jonathan Pearce.
We also covered Mary McAleese going nuclear on the GAA, Trump's Doonbeg trip, Erling Haaland’s able deputies at Manchester City (there are none), and Souness destroying Declan Rice.
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described here by Kennerley and commentator Jonathan Pierce. Hearts there against the right center back. Kind of, you know, looks like maybe he's going to hold it up. Maybe he's going to go right onto his right foot, goes onto his left foot, cracks it in, cracks it in, in the far post. A brilliant finish. I mean, why not? This is stunning strike. Jonathan Pierce's narration of same on D&D. There's a gap to his left to be once they go into it. Let's go into it. That's good. Leal 2, round bet is three. Fantastic game of football is took down Brick to really poor defending again. They showed him onto his left foot and he took advantage in score. I mean, did someone have Leal in the game? Unbelievable. I'm a label. That's like Leal, Leal, uh, Leal TV, Leal Fad TV. I'm really angry with that. I'm like, what are you talking about? Showed him onto his left foot. He's right footed.
Yeah. Does Jonathan Pierce know that? I'm not sure. He's talking about like his carrot bail. You know, showed him onto his left foot. You know, really terrible defend. He's gone. He's gone. I'm sitting thinking, I don't deserve. You know, I was looking for a Spanish commentary of it. And I found like some baddest, uh, baddest radio on Wednesday. Yeah, but we're not even going to play it because the top comment underneath it was Issei Keikan, the Alba Antiveros. They complain about Alba Antiveros. Menudo Mierdan, the Nerazion. Mierdan means shit. Yeah. Nerazion is commentary. This is awful commentary. The baddest guys, well, maybe I should have played it because the thing about them was they were just talking about the game and they got completely surprised. They weren't expecting. Why don't we play that? Here it is. Totally anomalous and it's that all the English teams are in the same group. What now obviously it wouldn't be possible? There it is. It's for the three-two-three Alvethis. No!
Not like I'm hearing it. Yeah, um, but you know, Pierce is going to start. Yeah, you're, you're, you're life's too short to get annoyed by Jonathan Pierce again. Well, I did get annoyed by Jonathan Pierce. I know, Jonathan Pierce. I know, I've been listening to Jonathan Pierce a long time. You already know, he's probably. And you know, we've come a long way from this kind of stuff. That's him reacting to it. I mean, a penalty. That's his commentary on Alan Shire scoring a penalty. You know? I mean, it was it was a big night at Wembley that one. This is what he can say when he's excited by go. You might think, well, it's a national team, you know, it's a national team. No, do you know what I think? He was a younger man. I'm going to maybe share some secrets of TV. He was also at Wembley.
Was he necessarily our TNT sending their TNT three commentary team around Europe? Or are they doing it off tube? I don't know the answer to that. But I'm guess. I'm not sure. I could be underestimating the amount of the money sloshing around behind the scenes there at TNT. Yeah, I mean, is it just thing good now that he really gets turned on by? We are the only, the only, my Chelsea, the only, or two, Chelsea. Wow, wow. We didn't add that music, but this is just all YouTube companies. Just remind you of the family reacted to Troy. Reminds me of late Martin, later a Martin Tyler, because he's got very annoyed from various clubs. He's against a certain name of clobber because I think the energy was adding a little bit. Well, what we are beginning to see is that
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accepted as a parrots do have strong beaks look to size. Yeah, I just thought it was going to say I mean, they can crack nuts with that. They could crack a finger in that. Definitely good. But maybe actually the listeners can help me here. Because with something parrots-related, it's always stuck in my head, I've never been able to. I remember this thing once to podcast many years ago and it was about African grey parrots, which are supposedly among the most intelligent type of parrots, among one of the most intelligent species on the plant. And in this, I mean, other way parrots can kind of talk. I mean, they can imitate sounds. And they can hear sounds like they're talking, but like, do they understand what they're saying? You think probably not, right? Maybe they know that certain sounds can trigger certain behaviors they seek. They're proud, please. They're looking for a little bit of a reaction from the Brad. They don't say together. But as I recall, and I remember I was cycling when I was listening to this and this researcher had lived with this African grey parrot for years or
whatever, and I forget the name of the parrot, but the parrot was, you know, they were quite friendly. And at some point, the parrot, she was kind of like, in my memory, she was kind of almost kissing the parrots. Well, not kissing, but sort of rubbing noses with it. And the parrot said to her, in its parrot voice, your beak is soft. This is the story that I heard, which would be an example, if true, of a parrot constructing an original sentence, comparing the researcher's nose to the beak to its own beak. Well, saying, your beak is soft. Now, this is in my memory. Did this really happen? I've never been able to find the actual story. African grey was an African grey parrot. I forget the name of the parrot. Apparently it said, your beak is soft. Is this true? I don't even know what subset of the
world service listeners you think will know about this. There's no way you say this is one for our PhD people. Remember we got a lot of PhD shout out to a few years ago. I feel like someone's doing a PhD and throw it out to the high parrots. It doesn't matter what you say. There's always some guy who thinks he knows, right? So in this case, I actually welcome. The English teams have been tearing it up in the Champions League so far this week, including Liverpool at home to Atlético and Arsenal's solid, yes, solid, one-neil win over Napoli. We chatted to Lars Sivritson earlier today. I did absolutely hammer Napoli last time. I ended up in an anew one-neil, but it was a bit of a, you know, Napoli, I've had some good results in recent years, particularly at home. I mean, they've given Liverpool a couple of thrashings in the club era. They had Quartz Kelly playing for them then and I'll see him hand in guys like this. I must say I looked at the team last night. I know it was like there was this kind
of an Indian Premier League vibe to their team. I thought it was like this. This doesn't look too good. But you know, Arsenal, you can only beat what's put in front of you and they smashed them. I mean, XG-wise, I think this was the most in the last five years that any way team has had in the in the Champions League. Obviously they missed most of these chances. But are you as kind of bullish about their general prospects this season as as most as I am, for example, as most people say. I mean, I they're really good. Like they're they're they're worryingly good. They they're still rock solid defensively. Like they can see it so few chances. I know this isn't like it's not a brilliant Napoli team. I don't think and they're managed by Musselin Al-Nuala, I agree, which comes with its own, you know, he's typically a very defensive coach. But still going away to Napoli and just not conceding anything in terms of chances pretty much is is not an easy thing to do under any circumstance, I would say. And it seems like we we're saying we've all noticed that they're more
fun to watch. We've all noticed that they're sending people forward. So Lee says come in and made an impact already. Someone who wasn't very expensive for them. And we can all see these things. But they've done that without so far sacrificing any of that defensive solidity. They're conceding so few chances. And it's it's it's kind of worrying for everyone else. Like I know it's early in the season and getting to this level is one thing, maintaining it for 38 rounds. I guess is different. But it is worrying for everyone else is that they seem to have been able to keep that solidity that they have and added a little bit more going forward. And that is ominous for everyone who's trying to compete with them. Yeah. And you know, they they made Chelsea look, you know, far inferior, I guess, on the weekend. And I suppose if there is going to be any challenge to them, you know, in the at least on a domestic front, well, maybe in the European front as well. Liverpool are one of the clubs that could maybe do that. And this I've been quite dismissive of them.
You know, throughout the summer and in the first couple of weeks in the season. But I don't if you caught any of their game against Alec, I like to see. To me that they were this is on the best performances they've given in a while. They were showing a couple of dimensions that I think have been missing for a while. One of them being the defensive solidity. It's slightly different from Liverpool because the style of play is so different, you know, you know, to to Arsenal's particularly with their Aula. It is quite adventurous, let's say. But the inclusion of Ronald Aurojo as opposed to a fallback like Frempa. I think it makes a big difference. You can you can sort of see when you when you when you include a player like that. So the difference this can make to have secured fields kind of helps to explain why Mickal Arteta and Pep Guardiola have in recent years had this punch on for why what about if I played this massive sender half as a fallback?
I wouldn't be such a bad idea. Yeah. There's a thing to be said for having an actual defender at fallback. I think Frempa was an exciting player but he's not a fallback like he will he played when he was very good for levacus and he played as like a particularly attack minded wingback. I think I don't know what his future at Liverpool is. I think he's good enough to find a position there but I don't think it's that fallback in a sort of traditional back for. And that adds some solidity. I would just say what the caveat of that is I think the goal they conceded was a little like having conceded to very slightly ridiculous counter attacking goals on the opening day of the season. I think we are looking a little bit at Irola's insistess on keeping quite a high line and playing quite chaotic in direct football does that leave them vulnerable to the counter. I kind of think it does and the sort of simplicity with which at least go just went over the top of their defensive line and scored like it was kind of it's a little bit worrying you don't love to see that. But there were good signs apart from that in the game I thought and I think we're seeing already that Barca is adding something very useful here with his sort of very sort of direct running.
He didn't score but that chance that Florian Vert set up for him is kind of exactly when they were linked with Liverpool like that was the chance my brain was like oh this is going to happen because because very very very I share your frustrations over his first season at Liverpool but I am a Florian Verts truth or I believe in him. So the year when you say truth or in the sense you think he's good rather than discussed. I think it's brilliant. I think I'm on this sort of when I hear English journalists dissim for not looking good enough I go into sort of Ferguson from Sebastian Veron more mentally. That's where my brain goes when I hear the good and great of Fleet Street dismiss Florian Verts but I could be wrong like it's possible that he will never adjust to the slightly more robust and rumbunxious physical style of the Premier League like this could happen but but he's clearly extremely technically gifted he has a lot of vision like there's a lot of good stuff there and I think you will unleash that more if he has more players who are making runs ahead of him again bring it back to the other go thing if you want to be that creator that job
becomes a heck of a lot easier when people are actually making forward runs out of you and you see the sort of move that him and Barca la cooks up there I know Barca la misses the chance but that is that's a good blueprint for me I think that's that exact connection if you take and get that going is going to cause trouble for a lot of opponents and of course Alex Andre is actually showing signs of life as well there is like they've spent enough of a money on these three dudes like you want them to to be good but I think there is the the making some of a really scary front three there if they can like keep working on that connection yeah there was a move in there in the first half as well where in which Verutz the girl keeps say oh black safe they put in fact it would have been offside but it was a similar type of sweeping move which showed maybe the potential of this combination McAllister scored a good goal as well he had kind of made waves during the week oh it makes me very sad I saw I saw Gravenberg and saw this like get their new contracts but there was known for me this makes me very very sad but I can assure the fans I will give my all until my last
day here at the club and the last day here at the club is scheduled to be well he's taking in he's taking down on the he's got two years well less than two years now remaining on his contract seems to me like these guys the repul love losing players on free transfers yeah I can kind of see both sides of this in the sense that McAllister turns 28 later this year so he's got yeah if you put him on like another four-year deal or something you have another guy who's probably going to age age out a little bit age out of his of the stage where he is useful for for Liverpool or is the player that they need him to be and he'll get to a point where you can sell him for for good fee there so they are conscious of not wanting the squad to grow all together and maybe holding off from giving him a contract reflects a certain anxiety about that and some of the transfer moves they made but still he's a Premier League winner with Liverpool he's entitled to to fight his corner in this as well and make the point that you know it's kind of normal to give them a new contract
with it you've got I also remaining I also think Larson he's a better footballer than either Gravenberg or solvus Lee solvus Lee is a big shout defending I think solvus Lee is a is a is a better ask the you I mean you know the sub-zone go okay this guy's like super fit and runs around and McAllister that's the kind of data betting it's like what you know he's he he don't look like the athlete of the day supposed to okay fair enough exactly but like he's very good on the ball he makes good decisions he makes the team play better I think much better to a much more obvious extent at least some my eyes than either of those other guys who they've given new contracts to I take that point now but you're not think possibly that feeds into again anxiety over handing him a massive new deal feeds into this idea that last summer while a lot of Premier League teams were going bigger and stronger and signing big athletes Liverpool kind of went for the short technical dudes and the first 12 months of that experiment was not positive and that they probably look at the squad and think
maybe we do have too many of these sort of technical guys and we actually need more athletes and again handing you a massive like four-year deal to a guy who's turning 28 and who isn't exactly what they think they need more of might be something they don't feel super comfortable doing I mean I'm I'm I'm pulling this completely out of thin air again but that there's a bit of logic to that I think yeah yeah fair enough but one thing just lastly on this that year I'll have been interested in in his first few weeks is a ruthlessness of which he treated Ryan Gravenberg after his terrible mistakes in the first match yes newcastle and I thought that was he but he he reappeared finally last night and and played a played about 25 minutes 25 knock right minutes in front of his new national team manager Chavie who which are how delighted he would have been actually with any of the Dutch who there's not game from one came on as well I'm not sure how interested Chavie will be in putting him straight into the team but what this shows is with Irole I mean Gravenberg
was an absolute perennial in your own a slot a lot a lot of trust in him sort of didn't really matter if you made mistakes he's like well mistakes happen the next tomorrow is another day with Irole evidently there was more an attitude of well you just can't do that you can't just give games away and then be like oh well nevertheless you know who's next they there are consequences yeah and is it it's the interesting thing is that he defended him publicly after that game you know because it was clear that like Gravenberg's role in that midfield is to be the six is typically to be the deepest one and when he when both of the holding midfielders make runs into the box off the ball like I've been calling for Arsenal to make more runs ahead of her to go but this is this is this is maybe too much guys and they lose the ball and there's certainly no midfield there at all like it looked ridiculous right we talked about this I think and Irole I asked I found the quotes now he said after the game it's not just personnel I understand that Ryan Gravenberg is basically the number six and is on the edge of their box if he shoots and scores then we're saying
what a play from Gravenberg I don't want us to take that from his game but we have to adapt as a team to the situations so he kind of came out and was a little bit like okay this is something we need to work on but then you're right he's completely dumped him after that he's like okay you're not starting anymore maybe this is just his leadership style maybe this is like I'll take the I'll take the bullets in public like like Guardiola being sad in the dressing room and that documentary is saying guys I'm gonna go out and defend you in the media now yes but internally but internally he's like well if you're gonna behave like that I'm gonna have to use someone else meet Finn the single customer agent made for the entire journey from qualifying sales leads to resolving support issues Finn works across teams carrying context from one conversation to the next learn more at fin.ai long waits and impersonal care often leave people feeling stuck in their health journey regen md wellness offers a solution with personalized therapies like peptides hormone
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