Ep 3650: Katie Grabs The Mic, The Croker Crowd, Walk On Music - 07/09/26

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2:25A self and Mark Organ have been to some big boxing events together over the years. Bernard don't survive in two knockdowns before knocking Ricardo Cardo out to become super band-moid champion of the world in 2009. A number of lesser known Bernard don't fight against the likes of Prince Aaron and Sean Shortfews use. Don't have a Crocker won last year open belt fast that ended in a mass brawl, but never have we experienced anything quite like Saturday night at Crocker. Welcome to the pod. Hey, Merr. Hey, on. Hey, on. Never seen you so scared as I did that night on. Lewis Crocker. The Lewis Crocker Paddy Donovan. It was a scary moment for you. A scary personal moment for you. Which part of Belfast we go to now, Mark? You know they're sitting better than me. It was a lively crowd. It was a rambunctious occasion. As was Saturday night in a different way. We were there for Westlife, Radio and Saturday. Just hung around to watch KDT. Listen, the lights still have it. You reckon? Well, yeah, I do reckon. I'm pretty certain that they still have it. Oh, God, it shows how much I know about this whole thing. I saw Westlife that we're going to be playing and I got so grim to have played. I was like, that's just a crowd. I'm going to embrace that. That's

3:29not. For an event of this magnitude, how are we not getting somebody that we can really sort of are proud of and are musically respected and all that sort of stuff? Listen, I don't like Westlife at all. I don't get it. Not for me. I don't think they could have picked anyone else who got such an embrace from the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. Incredibly. How many nights did this yellow crowbarque themselves? Like 25 or so? You know what I mean? They're literally the Ireland's most popular ever about. Yeah. For a large part of the crowd, they're like, oh my God, we've already got these KDT tickets. And now we get to see a mini Westlife concert as well. This is amazing. It's been talked enough about Westlife at this stage. We can probably give it a wide breath now. But it was such a unique occasion. I was just the atmosphere around it. It was totally completely unlike anything I've been to. Yeah. My controversial angle is that crowbarque throws up stinker fights on. Look, Ali against Albuyluas, really bad fight. Historical occasion. Terrible. Do you ever watch it? No. No, no, no. Can't believe you didn't

4:31watch that back. I've seen the doc. The doc is very good. Surprisingly, I made of Ali fights. Not that great. Yeah. Yeah. KD's fights. Bit of a stinker. Oh, I've got to fight itself. Yeah. Undercard. Very poor. But yeah, it was still such a privilege to be out. It was, I loved it. It was absolutely brilliant. It was, you know, one of the most unusual events I've ever been to. The atmosphere was really friendly and joyous. And without the sort of wildness like we saw at Lewis Crocker. Yeah. Fight. You know, and loads of profits that have been to just huge numbers of women and groups of women going out together like the walk up to to along Joneses rose to Crow Park and just seen, you know, groups of eight women of all different ages going to sport KD with all their KD gear on. It was kind of a beautiful thing. And I just don't think it's been matched. I was trying to think about how an occasion like that when you're thinking of, you know, in world sport where there's so much love for just one individual that, you know, it's not a team

5:32event in any way. And yet they just, everybody turns out for this just one send off where they're like so up for sea in this hero, but not really that connected. I don't think to the sport that's happening. You know, of course not. And you're not going to, you're just probably the numbers. You're not going to set out Crow Park with 80,000 boxing tiehards. No. And nor a show jick as it wasn't the night for that. No, I can't. I don't really understand it. Like I absolutely love KD, but I never thought would sell out. You know, I hear the same as Crow Park. Same as Murf Prairie. Yeah. No, I never, I didn't think it was the doom. I was. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. It's such a phenomenon. I think it's kind of funny. I was kind of done with all the KT videos and KT footage and, you know, Matroom, you know, the fairy tale and Infakate. You know, it's like I've had enough of it last week. I probably, you know, overdid it earlier on the week. But like champion where her sponsor and they put out this kind of footage of her, um, training in a, like a housing estate in front of a housing estate in the green with like all these kind of young kids and it was kind of grainy and it looked beautiful and and there's just like different shots of her with

6:35all these belts straped over our shoulders. And she just feels like sort of a figure in Irish history that is going to be talked about in a hundred years. Yeah. Oh, completely. Like kind of, you know, a mythical kind of the material. The methodizing, the methodizing is happening while. Yeah. She's still fighting. You know, just the bizarre nature of this thing of like, you know, it's been spoken about so much, but dressing up as a boy for the first fight, the unliked hood of the story and then that to be the ending. Um, I don't think I have any time I think I've KT fatigue. Then I see one of those shots of her as a kid. Yeah. And even just the way she speaks and everything and oh, man, it's beautiful. I'm like, no, no, I can take a bit more KT stuff. But we need to talk about the walk on music. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because the the the rendition of grace beforehand by Roxino and E. Fascade. It was. Yeah. Yeah. Roxino. As the dreaded up to the drag luck. And yeah. And answer said, but they were the crowd were dying for sing-along tunes. Like, the reaction that finally came down got murved by Europe was not deserved. Like no disrespect to Europe

7:36with that. Yeah. I honestly cried out banana. That's a repeat that I didn't call God. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, then KT comes on to all Hail King Jesus sung by Bethany world. Like the balls you have to have. Yeah. You know, it's like when McDevid sticks on lighthouse family at one of his house parties. Yeah. Yeah. Like all the crowd are dying to hear something good. No, no, he's got a lot of credit in the bank. Yeah. Let him just let him just listen to his lighthouse. The man plays a Mercedes-Sansist somewhere around. He knows his music. Yeah. But honestly, like the sort of the crowd were just dying for, you know, a big tune at that point. Yeah. And it like just shows how single of mine it she is. Like she doesn't do that shit. Yeah. Yeah. And like it's kind of it's reflected in in so many things that she's done in her career. You know, she picks Russ, uh, enemy, you know, and a non-couching Connecticut sticks with him. Doesn't care. Yeah. You know, even though he's kind of criticized a lot in, you know, wider boxing circles, but maybe not being good enough for her. But Littry Andy was saying it last week. Yeah. It was just saying this. And weakness is there that I haven't really been worked on over the years. Pixcro Park, you know, just decides that's it. That's just where it's going to be. I'm not. I'm not

8:37compromising on that. And I am going to play all five and a half minutes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of all KELKING Jesus. And it's like, it's what did you say? Let's go with this. That's fine. But it's like, it's a log song. No, because it could. You could easily halfway through kick in to it. And you do see it. It's a boxing. But you know, there's a little slow one and then it kicks in to something. Dancing. That's that's exactly it. I think you give, you give all Hale King Jesus a solid minute. Yeah. And then you go put many ac 2000 by you. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it was kind of funny. She's seriously though. She like sung every single word on the way out. Yeah. Yeah. And I, her first fight, the song that she came out to was Thunderstruck by ACDC. Her first profile fight. Didn't sing one word. Yeah. That's a privateer's choice. Yeah. Exactly. It was just, you know, lips totally sealed. But like seriously though, like dreams by the cranberries or something like that. Yeah. Or writing dirty by chameleon air. They would be my things. Yeah. The only card was a weird one. You couldn't possibly design a series of events to grim the crowd out more than what we saw there. Well, there was some good stuff. You know,

9:38Patty was great. Patty, one of them was where you got a great reception before. And after like a really big reception, even before with it. I'm never sure because we, we know Andy, we've met Patty. We follow boxing. I don't know what residency has with the wider public, but actually got a great reception. And then when he came out, everyone could see how class he is and the star quality has. So that was brilliant. That was the upside. Fortunately, a couple of the other Irish fighters and a Brennan thankfully seems to be okay. He's tweeting and whatnot. But he, yeah, that was, that was, it was a horrible thing for him. And the Thomas Cardi bizarre. This was on TV. I don't think. I don't think we're showing these fights. So no, it's kind of bizarre. It's kind of a person to clip up where as if Thomas Cardi getting his punch slightly off balance going through the middle ropes in a way. I've literally never seen it outside of WWE, WWE ring before. It's a crazy kind of a moment and a real weird one for the crowd to take in. Everyone's just kind of like, what just happened there? You know, yeah, it was so bizarre because RTE had the rights to all the fights. So I'm told. And they also did the commentaries on them. So they recorded, they taped them, but yet they didn't show the

10:39Adamalanyan fight. You know, maybe that was earlier in the night, maybe they didn't tape it. But Adamalanyans this absolutely brilliant prospect looks amazing. He's going to be really big. Like he's exceptional. He's way better. You know, don't need to be disrespectful than Thomas Cardi or Dave Allen. Yeah, for example, in my opinion. But then they didn't show that the Thomas Cardi fight. There was a few other undercard fights they could have shown. And they decided not to, which I think it's sort of unusual in that they had so much time to fill. And they decided, you know, which is their right. Maybe this is what the audience wants, but to go with, you know, like interviews with Marty and Michael Flatley, for example, which, you know, it's not Michael Patee. And I just, I thought that was kind of unusual. But yeah, it was Paddy Donovan. I don't know if you saw the Paddy Donovan fight, but he was absolutely. Yeah, it looked very sure. It was almost like a perfect fight. Yeah, yeah. And he looked so good. And it was interesting to see that the reception he got our right. But I kind of feel like he's, you know, people might know Paddy just because we've spoken about him quite a bit. And we don't have to go into detail about

11:41it. But he's kind of, even the way he's communicating now and talking, he's like so much confidence about him and the fact that he lost the fight to Crocker or the two of them. And I think he deserved, I know Andy was saying he didn't think he lost the fight. I think he deserved it. Yeah. But he was just out of this world good. And he was wearing the crown colors and, you know, like Tarot McKenna was in the alley colors that alley wore. Yeah. And when I was, you saw back on TV, I was saying to own the other night, it was like the crowd in the background was so vast, but it was still, they were in there early and that they were still daylight. So it looked like kind of in 1970s or 80s. That was my favorite part of the night. Actually, that, that light, it was amazing in the darkness. Crocker and the darkness is just a lot. It should be more, yeah, football matches. But just as the light comes down, it's just absolutely spectacular. It was like kind of Barry McWagen Steve Cruz. Do you remember that? Brian, so many song cranes in the background. A perfect crowd was 50 times bigger than that. You know, so I love that. But yeah, it was a really disappointing night for the double fighters. And I think like we've spoken to Emma Brennan. I felt really sorry for him because, you know, he's a former guest of ours and we know him and he's such a great guy. And he got

12:46knocked out really heavily and it seems, well, I thought he was outmatched originally with Taylor Bevan, who's like a younger, stronger, bigger fighter, who's kind of matrooms next big thing. And Emmett wanted to fight, but it also, it was just, he was clearly outclassed or being outclass quite early and gets knocked down four times, keeps getting up and the corner don't throw in the title. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe he came back out for that last round. They had a good look at him before he came back. He came back out. Didn't he get knocked down again early in that round? And still he fights on a course. He's got his brave, he's warrior all the kind of stuff, but you have to take it out of the last hands. Yeah, that's an area. And then the knockout itself was gruesome. You know, it was a headcracker off the counter. You know, you've seen what can happen in boxing, you know, it's a thankfully, he, well, I didn't quite walk away. He tried to walk away, and that's sit down again. He's unconscious. Sorry, he's unconscious first. Then eventually he comes out of the ring, tries to walk, sits down again, and then they put him in a wheelchair, and he gets reeled away like it was. Yeah, it was great. I'm tough to watch. And it was, it was also that he afterwards he said he's healthy and he has zero regrets, and he has one

13:49year left in the sport, and he'll have to he'll fight one or three fights, one to three fights at a lower standard. And he just said he's not good enough for it, you know, but also there was a tweet that was out there about saying, you know, how much the fighters were getting paid, and it was that it was down that Emma Brennan was getting paid 60K, and he tweeted that he was getting paid substantially less than that. So it's all just a little bit grim, and I suppose the reality for the crowd that were there, they got a sense of what boxing can offer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, boxing is not all Katie Taylor. Yeah, mostly stories. We don't often see what happens to Thomas Cardi to be fair where he goes flying through the ring. That was completely just bizarre, but we do unfortunately have a lot of cases where bad stuff happens in boxing. It's not all it's not all Katie, but a lot of people watch it, a lot of people watch it. Numbers are in peak audience of 1.6 million on or T. Wow. Toy Show last year was 1 million. 590,200. So it just just squeak past last year's Toy Show. That's not including streams. There are 550,000 streams. Just to compare it up peak audience

14:50to the biggest sports event last year. Obviously, this year should say check yet versus Ireland. That was 1.6 million as well. So I don't know exactly yet. There should must be a difference of one or two between the two. So we'll see which one is more of you. But also there was a 74% share of people watching on average, 973,000. So almost three quarters, three quarters of anybody in the country watching the TV. That's it. It was watching the fight, which is amazing. What was your favorite moment? I think my favorite moment was when she took the mic after the fight. And she kind of just ended the sort of the zone bluster in that moment. And yeah, you kind of wanted her to walk around and take in and embrace the crowd. So that moment was, I thought, was beautiful. But also I thought the speech afterwards, especially it was kind of so intimate talking about her father when we all kind of know the background and taking that moment. That was a really like it was a kind of a movie moment, wasn't it? You know, like saying I love you to him. And I think that's also

15:53one of the reasons that Katie's loved is that that sort of period in her life was so played out in the public. And you know, the fall of Rio crying on the TV not being able to speak in that post post fight interview. That all happened quite close together. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. And then just speaking about her husband as well. And no one knows that side to her and how she said that past two years of her life had been the best years of her life. And then also like when she was referencing, and I just wanted to mention this, that when she referenced her brothers and her sister, and how they imagined she was like, this all started out with those in the kitchen, punching the heads off each other, you know. And I remember going to her fight against Jessica McCaskill in Bethel, Green in York Hall. I was quite early on in her career. And I went with my brother. And obviously there wasn't a huge amount of fans, even at London. It was kind of funny. There wasn't many Katie fans in that night. Like I don't know why at that point. Pretty sure you guys got that he has green time. It was one of those ones. Well, it was just guys. There was, I mean, they all should have done her fun. Her mom and her two sisters and her,

16:55her, sorry, her mom and her sister and her two brothers all should myself and my brother all beside them. So we were sitting ringside beside them. And they were so, so much fun and so welcoming. And so like, you know, obviously incredibly into it and invested in their sister. But they were really lovely family to be around. So I thought that was, it was kind of magic to think of all those little kids in the kitchen with their little sister. And then she does that. Let's go and play with play the bit where she takes the mic now before Chattant and Schneider Carlin Mulligan. Hi, it's Brooke DeVard, host of Naked Beauty. And I want to talk about how I upgrade my hosting experience. There's a moment just before guests arrive when my home stops feeling like a series of rooms and it becomes an atmosphere. The light settles the air shifts and then the beautiful scent of Jasmine, Rosenfig, fill the air. It feels warm and considered. That's what Pura does. It turns fragrance into environment, a collection of beautiful, clean fragrances all controlled from your phone. Choose your sense of place at Pura.com. There's one thing that will forever change the way you sleep. And it's the softest 100% organic cotton bedding from Boulin Branch.

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20:07Katie Tader's stunt. She's an apple. That post fight still feels good. I thought she really took control of the occasion. Yeah, I would love announcers and commentators to understand silence a bit more. Let me just look around. Then the crowd started the Katie-Kady chant. He caught it off just as it was getting going. It was like, silence. Not utilised enough. We're done. I'm jumping straight back in with my next film. Even the moment with the husband, Sean, all that sort of stuff. Other piece, we've seen this week, I think, where we've seen a lot. I don't think it's gotten to no Katie Tader better, but she's been very giving of herself. I continued to talk right through to post-fight stuff. Yeah, she was enjoying the show. I think it's so rare for someone to get the ending that they want, never mind the ending that they have designed through their whole career. So I think to show her gratitude, I think she was like, well, I better show up here as well. And make sure that I'm meeting the moment. Part of that is giving of herself. Some of the quotes, Matthew, had in your piece. Afterwards, it's really underlined that to me that she

21:13she kind of really meant the gratitude thing. Sometimes over the years, people's answers to questions are like, I'm so grateful for yada yada yada. It's like, yeah, okay, we get it, like, say something else, but it was kind of shining through the whole week, the show that she put on during the fight and then afterwards. It was for everyone, I think, as well as herself. One of the things she said was, I think people really resonate with your, she was asked, why do people love you so much? Not an easy question to answer, I wouldn't have thought, but it says, I think people resonate with your vulnerabilities as much as your successes. They see me cope with the heartbreak of Rio, the heartbreak of the Chantel camera loss. They see me in my personal difficulties as well. I think my story is a story of everybody in the whole country. Yes, kudos to the great Gavin Kuhn, Gavin Kuhn, Gavin Casey for that question, because boxing press conferences are, there's a lot of boxing accolades at a boxing press conference. And sometimes find, there's a lot of, this isn't so much a question as a comment, questions

22:17and or as an observation. And a lot of the questions were, thank you, Katie, for your wonderful career. And thank you for this great night we've had, we've all had here. Can you believe it? And you know, we're Katie's having to go, yeah, it's so brilliant. And Gavin actually kind of flipped it around a little bit and said, look at what we've all experienced here. How do you explain why people love you? Which isn't an amazing question actually, and an incredibly difficult one to answer, but it came to her straight away. And this was I was thinking about afterwards, she must on some level and must have in the build up to all of this. Actually sat with the idea of how unlikely this whole thing is, not just Saturday night and look when you were there, markers there, shanage were there, everything that was there that was completely unlikely and completely sort of impossible. But like, that's been her whole career.

23:20Like, everything that she's ever done was never really done before and certainly not to her, to her standards. And so there must be part of her somewhere along the way that has given all of this some thought. Like, how did I get from, you know, the little box and club and braid to this? And so the speed with which she went from, I don't even really know how to answer that question, immediately answering it with real sort of clarity and a really interesting viewpoint. I don't know if that, if she's correct actually. I don't know. I was thinking in reality, she said, Wunderfeed is a pro. 12 defeats out of nearly 200 as an amateur fighter. I don't know, she's had an almost unparalleled level of relentless success in her career. I don't know if it's the idea that she's out the ups and downs. Well, yeah, but that makes it. The fact that you mentioned the personal. Exactly. That was interesting. She mentioned the personal vulnerabilities and the personal ups and downs. Particularly given she gave P to shout out in the ring after, and then I think he was in the ring then afterwards. That was that layer. And I think people also remember that

24:24you know, the Olympics weren't guaranteed for her. So like, in some ways, a KDK tailor as the adored Irish sports person that she is and the adored Irish person she is kind of similar to the event as well. It's kind of weird in theory. The event was such a weird thing in theory. It's like 80,000 people could have sold three times over are going to go to a sport that most of them probably have never gone to before. Or will again. Or will again. West life are playing. The undercard is kind of odd. But it worked. The entire thing worked from West life to the weird celebrity. Like if you were watching on Warty, the weird celebrity interviews in between holding kind of just piece together. And KDK tailor's celebrity I think is like that as well. She's you know, she doesn't have the same kind of she has an aura, but she doesn't have the same force of personality that some of her other greats have like a Rory McElroy or you know, even some of our open-coming athletes. Like her force of personality is much quieter. So yeah, it's the event

25:29and the oddness of the event is kind of matched by the oddness that it all just works. The event worked in KDK tailor's career worked by this sheer force of her determination. Yeah. And I think her struggle. I mean, like as you say, she has had very few bad days in the ring, but her struggle if we are to call it that is to create the sport of female boxing. You know what I mean? I think people can absolutely resonate with that. And like this that that struggle basically is to struggle to get it into the Olympics. Like the celebration that London, like in a weird way, like to her first fight, the quarter final against it was Jonas. I remember being unbelievably emotional before that fight more so even than the gold medalist. That was one of the most amazing sporting occasions I've ever seen. Yeah, more so than the final and also the final was very cagey. Yeah. And her opponent would say that it was a lucky decision, but the Jonas one was just incredible because she came out and was just a lot of people have never seen her before. You're never seen her in a fight. You hear all about her. She comes out and she just ends up in this unbelievable scrap that she

26:33probably didn't need to. She wanted to show she just wanted to show off and show her great. She was. Do you remember the roar she let out in the ring? Yeah. It's like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. She's got personality. Yeah. And then and then to do it again in the professional ranks. And like, you know, female professional boxing, like do you say every chance that's a complete washout for Katie? You know what I mean? No one else had met at work. And the fact that she, so I think they're the struggles that people really resonate with this idea that, yeah, you had to create it all yourself. You know what I mean? Nothing was handed to you on a plate and that's that is an extremely admirable equality to see in someone. Yeah, because we were trying to answer that question of like, why has she been so big in all of our lives for so long? And even if you just look at, okay, who has won an Olympic gold medal? And other than Michelle Smith in the pool, which has an asterisk, it was 1992, you know, 1992 to 2012. So you can see that like,

27:33they seem less hard or got now that, you know, we got to chunk of them in 2024 and we got, we got more of them in 2020 and 2060 or we'd known in 2016. But like, back in 2012, someone going for a gold medal and knowing that she's only going for it because she made it happen. It makes sense then that the Irish public were like, go on. Like, you know, this is someone that we can really get behind. And then she's like, she said herself as well over the weekend. She's not controversial, which like, she's interesting entertaining in the ring and then non-controversial out of it. So she's kind of the perfect person for every type of person to get behind. Right in this piece on the weekend about how everything that she did was impossible until she did it. And I tried it one stage to try and imagine, let's say we're sitting here in 2026. What is the comparable idea now of somebody creating a kind of a sport, a sporting career that literally doesn't exist now? Like, I actually was thinking to use you did. Like, like a figure skater.

28:37And let's get all to a kind of side. Get that arena built. We're all too inside. Like somebody who, let's say, takes a sport that doesn't particularly exist here. Maybe a winter Olympian of some description creates their own career and then creates it to the point where not only do Irish people kind of adore them, but Irish people will follow them, will go to say the winter Olympics or something like that where we have never gone. We've never, there's never been a Jackie's army going to a winter Olympics. And then let's say like in whatever, 20 years from now, whoever it is finishes off their career because they're by, they get a purpose built ice rink in the croak park and 80,000 people come to it. Like, that's how unlikely this whole thing was. And you can probably see some of the barriers in that. If you take that example, which is a great one, like the attitude towards that ring, that ring being built is one of like, A, we don't need it. Why would you do it? Like, this is for somebody else. This isn't for us. Like,

29:40that's the prevailing attitude. The same with the white water rafting on the Liffey. Like, sure, why do we need, we need that for it? Like, why wouldn't you just spend the money on a couple of G A pitches down the roads? There's not enough, there's not enough G A pitches in the country. You know, that's kind of attitude that she was probably coming up with. Exactly. And I only do it to make the point of how weird is exactly the right word. How weird it was to be sitting there on Saturday night in this stadium that looked absolutely amazing. It was incredible to be there. It was an incredible show that they put on. And it felt, it felt odd, it felt weird. It felt, it was a totally different crowd than you're used to in croak park. I've never seen so many couples kind of walking in hand in hand for their Saturday night out, going to this show, this box and match. But you spend the tip back to when she started out. And you just, the road from there to Saturday night is just so unfathomable. And to the point where I'm not sure we even given

30:46credit to how unthinkable this whole thing was. And how much of the world that she has lived in, she understands so deeply the boxing world, but also this kind of Irish quasi celebrity sports world. Like because croak park became a character in the story. Like so, croak park wasn't just the venue, it was like part of the whole event. And she understood that from the second she started talking about croak park in her career. Like this was, this was what she wanted because she understood that would be something that the Irish public would get behind in a way that, you know, the same thing wasn't around for the three arena or it wouldn't have been there if it was the Aviva. And it was, it was a total character of like when you were going to sell the tickets, you were going to buy the tickets or you were there on Saturday night. It was part of the whole thing. And she just understood that. So she was saying at the press conference, you know, it's odd that I'm in this world of boxing because I don't do a lot of the stuff that, you know, in the dark world of boxing shows. But I'm like, well, you do get that bit though. Like you, you do know that you have to tell

31:46a story and you have to get people buying tickets and wanting like more than just you there. And I think that's part of probably why she's been so successful in the professional game as well. Yeah, her story does get enough credit though. I think you were saying that there hasn't been enough credit given to how unlikely this thing is. I think that's, oh, it's been constant for the last 20 years and certainly over the last eight days or so. We've done a couple of podcasts ourselves on, I think it was was Walt Woll how insane this achievement is. I still think, I still think we want to have much more coverage of your want. It's not even a coverage point of you. I think just our brains can't process it in a way that, you know, that you know, the way here sometimes people say the Beatles are the most underrated band of all. Like we don't get how anyway, maybe it's the wrong way of phrasing it. But I just, when I was trying to sit down and like plot from from where we are now to get to somebody feeling croak park like that from a from an absolute standing start, it just seems, it just seems mind-ful. It was a bit of a, it was a difficult,

32:51I found was a difficult event. Like my, I got home, my wife has asked me, you know, what was it, what was it like, you know, compared to other big sport occasions. I found it impossible to bench market against anything else. That's the thing. And I did say like, I've been at much more exciting, I've been at occasions where I felt much more excited as in you're at an all-around final or your team is playing and you're so impressed. It was a complete, yeah. And there's a jeopardy in that and you and something amazing happens and your emotions change. Whereas this was just one long tribute, which was amazing in its own right, but it was different. It wasn't, it was really feeling like a sporting event. No, exactly. It was, it was a Saturday night out in Dublin. I should say I was delighted to be there. I'm not doing this piano thing of, oh, wait, so I suppose I'll go. That's shy, but I'll go. It was great, but it was just a little, yeah, but it was very hard to compare it to anything else. Yeah, it was my first time being in Croak Park since the all-around football final and like, you know, too unbelievable. Like, you know, legendary days in the history of that stadium, but two very different feelings.

33:57You know, after the all-around final, like that stayed with Pete, like sure stayed with people yet, like, but like you are bubbling for days after that, no matter what, what, what am I to skin you had in the game? Anyone you're met, you're going, you're there, Jesus Christ, you know. Whereas like I was out a couple of things, like yesterday and run into a few people, like I do in the shop and order and they're going like, what was it like? And I said it was amazing, it was absolutely amazing, but like totally got you on. Like, I think it's because like everything else was Katie, we have no frame of reference. You have nothing to compare it to. She is a comparator of one all the way through. What about that bang and ring walk, too? And we mentioned at the top, right? I overheard in Dublin coffee shop earlier, three young people probably, like, in their mid-twenties talking about the fight. And one of them was like, like, if you're going to do a Christian song, there's probably better words. I was like, there's a big way. They listed a couple of Christian vikers, I was like, oh, I've heard of. But yeah, she's that's what she wanted. And it

34:59did create the atmosphere. No, it is, but you know, that's what I mean. And it doesn't, and it's because it's so slow. It is the ring walk is just such a great boxing tradition anyway. And to see that in Crock Park, that was the one moment where I was like, this is absolutely that and all the post fight, the immediate post fight, so from the ring, where she takes the mic and all that. That felt like more of the like, we're here for these. These are amazing. These are the moments to be here for a while. The boxing fight itself itself. Yeah. Even like where I was sitting, it was actually really hard to see the boxing. Like, yeah, yeah, because the fight wasn't that close. I was like, when she's definitely winning it, I was tempted after a few runs, but like, maybe I'll just stick in the orty commentary in my year. And I was like, now I'll just continue to listen to that. I was here, yeah, yeah. I was trying to do that while writing about it. And I couldn't hear it. And I know he's cancer and headphones. The her grab in the mic was interesting as well. Because it's funny, Eddie Herne sort of talked about it in the press conference afterwards, because you know, the thing they did with this kind of solemn laying down the gloves and all that. Like a great moment for the little. Great moment for the little. Eddie Herne had been kind of

36:02planning that all week, he said. And we're was about to do that when she just grabbed my so he obviously didn't know that she was going to do that. Which I thought was again, just her kind of taking just charge of the whole thing. Now I couldn't hear her. I couldn't make out what it was she was saying. Because you could see that she was thanking various people and you know, she thanked her mom and she thanked her dad and she thanked so many people around. But like, it was kind of indistinct, but people were just kind of lapping it off. Anyway, and I think that was just that was them just kind of hanging on to her for the last few minutes of that they were going to have her because like, you might still might never see her again. She could just disappear. Yeah. You might also never see that mix of people in a stadium in Ireland again. You know, as you were saying, this is all Ireland. I mean, it was it was a bit of everything. Yeah. Including the strongest amount of wheat and oh my god, Laura. This amount of grass up there

37:06would knock you out. That's just a very end-to-end. Not in crook parks, not? This is just in the press box. But like, it was such a wide spectrum. I kind of arrived there, sort of around half six, quarter seven. And you were going down Jones's road and like, you'd see like, there'd be like a little spiritual guy with a tricolor around her neck next to like four women in their kind of fifties, all dolled up with like cans of smirnoff ice. And then so many couples, like so so many couples just kind of like the fellow at the jumper around his, knotted around his shoulders and the woman in her Saturday night going out clothes and just like they're such and then like, you say if you like a few lads over there and I feel like if you travel our lads and a few like lads from inner city Dublin and there was just such a massive spectrum of people. And I was talking to Peter Eiken

38:12afterwards and I know he had sort of said it earlier in the week that, you know, the big thing when he's trying to sell a big show, like so most of the tickets come from Dublin. It's sort of, it's usually sort of 65% Dublin. That's how you sell a like a massive stadium. And he said that this time it was like over 55% were from down the country of something like only 35% in Dublin. I thought it was part of the beauty of it because even when you go to concerts in Cropark, there's kind of like a similar enough crowd depending on what concert you're at. I think the the most different one I've seen recently is at the Aviva from Metallica. Present company. Includes or exits, I'm not sure what you're going to say here. This is probably the least sporty crowd I've ever seen. Whichever you on was at the Pantera on the undercarter was at the the night. But one of the things that really stuck out to me is the traveler community were so intertwined with the boxing world. And I'm not sure if the traveler community would ever have felt welcome in Cropark in the way that there was that presence on Saturday night. It was really

39:18cool to see. And then just the like the fashion across the board was so wildly different. It was just added to the color of like walking around the stadium. Because it was a Saturday night out for a lot of people, like there were some women in high heels and shorts skirts. And then there were some lads who were fully rigged out for the night. For afterwards, you know, the tight t-shirt, the muscles protruding. And then the tricolors and the like match gear. It was just a beautiful slice of Irish life all in the one place. It made it really fascinating to just soak that in. For Katie to know that it's not just one group of people that were turning out for her. It was kind of from ever which is why she was able to she could have sold it out three times over. She left boxing before boxing left her of honor, Maria, to achievements known as more important. It's from your piece the weekend, Mal. More possibly today. That's assuming she has left it.

40:20I mean, are we all 100% certain we're never going to see Katie today in the ring again? Do you know what? It was the one question I was going to ask in the press conference. And it had just, you know, when you're in a room and I read the room on, I read the room. And I was going to try and ask it in a facetious kind of way. As in, why would you walk away? Sure. Look at all of this. But by the time the microphone kind of got around, it was about 40 minutes in. And it was also well past 1 a.m. And people just wanted to go home. She's surely done. Like, she's, what else? No, there is the thing with her. All her life has been this one thing. And she seems to have a kind of a blind acceptance that she can just make her life something else. And so we'll see obviously how that works. Like, how do you decide, like she had this line, I think it was Gavin again, she was talking to, she says her whole life has been a training camp. You know, for the past 25 years, it's been one training camp to the next training camp,

41:22how you then, like, let's say, what are we, we're at the start of September. Let's say we get to, okay, she can freewheel the Christmas now, but let's say middle of January next year and she's nothing on the cards. Like, what then? Like, what, how do you define your life then? What, what do you go and do? Like the hilarious thing is that Brian Peters has this bloody ritual lined up for that she's going to be going around Ireland. He sure he started yacking on the other night that he's bringing her to Clare Island and in his buff and in his talk doing this stage show. This is a play though. No, it's the first half of it's a play. Right. Second half is her on stage talking to Steve Bons about her pro career. That play is going to happen repeatedly. This is going to happen. He reckons he is like 29 nights. I look bouncy as much as an expert. Yeah, but that sounds like a token for Katie. Took it for Bonsi. Jesus Christ. She did say she was going to enjoy the fruits for labor and like

42:24the Americans were creeping in with her vacations. So there would probably be a bit of that that she would like, do you know what? This is like, I deserve this. I've made, I've made a load of money and I'm going to figure out what to do with it, whether that's like vacationing or if it's business. And like, there is something in that that she's closing out her career in a way that a huge amount of athletes, particularly female athletes, haven't been able to do. So like, she just have the second life available to her. And she has a head on her shoulders. But what do you think that second life is? You know, is she going to be like, when she do the the RT panel during the Olympics, you know, that doesn't sound really like her. It sounds like you're talking about a serenist style business empire. Business, I think, is probably like, we know that she has, you know, invested in certain things. We know that she, like I ask, I have Casey about the money. I was like, is that a sign of, you know, she really wanted to make a success out of women's boxing and the more bag that she can bag the, it underlines that she did it. And Gav was like,

43:25well, no, she also just likes making money too. So if that is in her, well, then, you know, there is, she has capital and she has ways of means. We know she has investment. Well, yeah, we know, but the best way she has to make money at the moment is, be Katie. Be is to fight is to stage these massive events. It's true. I don't know. It's, it's you were asking like, what would another fight? What would it be? I don't know. Some new superstar comes in the scene the next couple of years and starts shouting out for Katie Taylor. I want Katie all this kind of stuff. They're very proud. You can tell by the camp, they're very proud of this Netflix association that they got on that, you know, it wasn't everyone's taste. The Tyson thing. But if it's some massive big Netflix event or something like, you know, he's selling a massive stadium. She is hard to switch off the competitive. I'm just basing this on every other box or in the history of box. She has four she though. I know. Yeah, they don't have to retire. Sometimes I'm a normally there. They retire because they, they have it. This way though, you know, boxing is much better than me. What's the field like? Like, outside of Katie, like, who's next? We got to go on the Gav casey on that one. Yeah, but like,

44:29who's next in line? I don't know. I don't know. There's anyone at the moment that would excite people in terms of an opponent, you know, but I do. That's why it's some nominal future superstar. Something on the way that's like three years away or whatever. And he kind of raised the question, which you guys last week, he was like, is it her last fight? Like, she hasn't really been explicit, but she was way more explicit than Saturday and obviously like putting the boxing gloves down and stuff. It would have to be something complete that we can't foresee here. And her age really does preclude her. And like, even the fact that they were more open about the calf injury and all of that, that doesn't show. Oh, yeah, at the moment, I feel like they are retired and your head she's retired. It's just, yeah, that's just keep it that way. Why am I willing to this into existence? Let her walk away into this as you can do now. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, it's Brooke DeVard, host of Naked Beauty. And I want to talk about how I upgrade my hosting experience. There's a moment just before guests arrive when my home stops feeling like a series of rooms and it becomes an atmosphere. The light settles the air shifts and then the beautiful

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46:37America's definitely Katie's final site. I don't know. I think they're being too clear-court about that. Like Katie still is, and one of the reasons why she's loved is that obviously she isn't a great talker like that, but she's a lunatic in the ring. And she's always gets dragged into fights. She has that sort of like manic look. I was actually, it was pity we got none of that in the fight over the weekend. You know where the sort of moments where it can be at the end of fights where that sort of- The last eight seconds is the other fight. She decided I actually just got to throw 25 punches here in the last eight seconds. Well, you know that intensity where she and like we talk about the vanity of her and those types of things. Those sort of moments are there. Like she's a fighter. So I don't know, I think it's very, very difficult for her to maybe fill that void and so many fighters come back after the age of 40. There could be who knows the charity thing. But I don't know. I could be the executive one that didn't think of at that moment was it could also be there's a lot of crossover events. Oh, Katie Harrington now. I don't want to see those two. Why not? God. Same reason you don't see it to

47:41two Irish fighters often don't fight each other. We've seen this because we want to see one of those being beaten by the other one. You apparently do, man. I don't really want to see Kenny Harrington or Katie Taylor getting beaten by their old. I wonder the two of them want to fight each other though possibly. I was thinking more like maybe there could be a YouTuber or something like that. You know, I just don't say this would be bad stuff. But I'm trying to think of the kind of new challenge that I actually don't even think that that's coming out of retirement. That's just a business move. I do think though that everybody has embraced Katie as much as they possibly could. I know Mal was saying that I think I think it really showed with the finale like that and showed with the coverage over the past week and generally how Ireland has embraced there. I don't think it could be anymore. No, I was perfect. I don't know what more should possibly do. Where if you were elsewhere? Down in the Hinge. The Miracle at the Hinge. The Miracle at the River Ina. Simon was trying to make the Miracle of River Ina work instead of the Miracle of Madana. Yeah, I was down

48:42to the Walker Cup on Saturday. It was it was a brilliant day. As it turns out, everything that happened before the last 45 minutes of the Walker Cup, we can basically throw in the bin because the last 45 minutes yesterday were absolutely riddig. Let's go team GB and I man. I've never felt more Great British and or Irish than I did on Saturday. I can tell you that. And the company of Lauren Stonigan for part of it. Yeah, so now I was playing. So met our first Mal I bet. Well, he did the golf course on Saturday morning with Lauren Stonigan for we'll be talking about that tomorrow. Kevin Cooney's going to be in on the Irish Open coming up. Are you going to Trumstoon beg for that? I've to be decided. Wes Claire was amazing this weekend on Let's Not Spoil it. That's for my read for World Service Members only. Thanks, Merff. Thanks for listening. Thank you. The second captain's world service. It is not war and death and time. It's not all that at all.

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