Clippers Rock Bottom 9.0, Plus Charles Barkley on the Clips, 76ers, Lakers, ESPN, and Why He Loves Josh Allen

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1:02So Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, while I'll be live on Netflix, so stay tuned for that. I'm in Boston, Massachusetts, where I went to Fenway Park yesterday with my dad and my son and my daughter's boyfriend, who has had an interesting week. We got to see a Mariners loss, but we had a great time, and it was great to be a Fenway. One of my favorite places on the Earth, not really enjoying the allergies these days, went to my daughter's game on Tuesday. They won their first game in the season. She scored a goal, so that was fun. It's been an interesting week, up and down week in a lot of different ways, but that's the thing. When you've been in the limelight for a while, shit happens. Anyway, Barclays coming up in a little bit. That's right, Charles Barclays, every September, right, for football season, comes on the pod. We had him randomly booked, and yet in the last 48 hours, all hell broke loose with the Quippers. That's 24 hours, less 36 hours, whatever it was. So we got to hear him talk about the Quippers. I am going to talk at the top of the podcast,

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3:17和 owe the arena that he just spent five years slaving over trying to figure out how to make the best basketball arena possible. Can't go to the games. Thanks, Chair. This was a phenomenal level of incompetence from Balmer and the Clippers. When you think back to 2019 where LeBron had shown up in LA the year before, the Clippers were so desperate to be relevant again in year five of a Balmer that they literally hoard themselves out and every way they could not only did they do everything it took to get Kauai. They trade SJ and all those picks for Paul George because that's the only way you can get them

4:19together instead of just playing poker with Kauai which I I still don't know where else he would have gone regardless they get fleeced in the Paul George trade which was defenseball when it happened but six years later it looks like one of the worst trades in history league they got fleeced by somebody named Uncle Dennis who is no longer or now allowed near any kind of league business for the next five years. They got screwed over by Kauai Leonard I think you know you think about like who didn't get punished in this how about Kauai he only had to pay a $700,000 fine he got to go back to Toronto the team he should have ended up with anyway didn't really lose any money didn't get suspended for 20 games without pay and you know why they do this because obviously the players union and maybe even Kauai too it's like hey if you're easy on Kauai we won't challenge this and as soon as the players union can't challenge it the Clippers have no recourse because they had agreed to abide by whatever the NBA found in the investigation so if the players union is not assuming nobody is

5:19suing this is kind of what they're stuck with they have screwed up almost a decade and a half of their franchise dating back to this summer in 2018 like they're not going to have their pick in 2032 that would be 13 years after the Kauai signing they could basically throw a bar mitzvah in 2032 for how fucking stupid they are they've turned themselves into the Southern California Brooklyn that's they I think we'll have less fans over the next couple years and they've ever had at any point in the history of the franchise including in the 80s and 90s when the owner was actively trying not to spend any money and somehow they are the single most depressing situation the NBA yet again if you think about the mid 2000s timber wolves after the Joe Smith verdict and the damage that that did to Kevin Garne's prime Kevin Garne was 25 best players ever and makes the 2004 conference finals despite the fact that they lost Joe Smith and we're starting to lose all their first round picks within in 050607 never makes the playoffs right you've one of the

6:25best parts of the league you can't even make the playoffs in a 16 team playoff and they ended up having to trade them the Boston where he finally wins the title this demolished them and what happens and this is what's going to happen in the quippers when you don't have picks you can't get somebody like Yoke age or Yannis to show up in 2027 or 2028 no for age and one scow there because you're in the future you have to start taking these huge risks you take risks on people like Mark Blunt that's what Minnesota did or Ricky Davis or you know you're taking these big expensive contracts that people are actually trying to dump but the player is good and you're hoping maybe it'll work out with the player and by the way if your front office is naked like look at Minnesota they wasted the whole mid 2000s. Gardenet trade was defensible because they got out Jefferson and some picks back but then in 2009 you know they pass Curry they pass on Curry twice so that demolished I would say a a decade and a half for the timber wolves based on all the picks they lost having to trade

7:27gardenet and then in confidence could that be what happens to the quippers if Wogler the first round picked the quippers got in the Zubak trade if he becomes a bust they took him fifth I'm just saying I hope he doesn't I hope he turns out great if he becomes a bust this is the single most depressing NBA situation since the early 80s Cavaliers when owner Ted Steepian traded away so many first round picks they had to create the Steepian role to admit to basically prevent anyone from being as stupid as this Cleveland Cavs owner was this will be the most depressing situation since then all right so the quippers are still professing like their interest their their innocence but you know if you do the sniff test here and this is something that Pablo Torrid did so well as he was doing on the podcast about it where he was he had real evidence but was also like hey does this pass the sniff test to you guys basically well you look at the sniff test now from from what we look at that report we know that multiple NBA teams already said in the late 2010s that Uncle Dennis was making crazy demands like that's

8:30documented like asking for hockey pieces of hockey teams and crazy shit so we already knew that was happening in the summer 2019 from the report these are just things that were in the report post signing they said Uncle Dennis consistently pushed the quippers for 10 million year and extra quay endorsements and if you read between the lines of 47 different things that you can just add together it's clear they were like yeah all right you do this and we'll try to figure out how to get you to 10 million years somehow for companies that he had endorsements with this is from the report each company had never before signed an endorsement agreement over remotely the same financial magnitude and hasn't since that's notable also from the report each agreement imposed minimal performance obligations of Mr. Leonard relative to the amount he has paid I talked about this a few weeks ago it never added up why he was getting endorsement money not to endorse anything well the report spells it out go read it 36 pages also from the report no agreement was publicly

9:35announced so you're paying up money for all this dude to endorse your product but we don't know he's endorsing it and he's not doing any work for it sniff test there are also emails from the aspiration higher ups the clippers are promising to increase the amount they pay as per quarter online who's what we pay this guy is a direct quote from one of the emails another responded thanks for verifying we should be fine if it's cash flow neutral so this is basically this is spelling out quippers giving aspiration money and it's coming back to them and it's just kind of going back and forth because they're trying to figure out how to get quiet stuff and then also in the report clippers chief commercial officer scat son and bird talking about the the forum deal that they had I never wanted this forum deal always knew it was super shady I cannot begin to tell you all the red flags of these deals just doing what I'm told so that's documented not great there's there's some what if stuff I got some good questions about this over the last 24 hours

10:36including you know the quippers the five first round picks are gone should that have just been the prize for the in season tournament they're not going to do that but the first round now 29 teams so everybody has a better chance of they move up in the draft so it has all these ramifications so every everyone else in the league has to be delighted that the quippers got their legs cut out and it also makes the draft a little easier for them the most interesting email I got was from Tim from Philly who asked let's say the clippers won in 2021 and then it turned out all this stuff had happened after the fact what if they had won a title what if they won the title in 23 would Adam have had to revoke it college sports style one of the weird things about this was a lot of the Kawaii stuff was really centered around the extension like the 2022 23 range one of the years where he was hurt I didn't understand that part at all and it almost makes it seem like it was some I used to have there there's a million things I don't get about this the biggest one being

11:40why are you doing all this for a Kawaii Leonard I get it he won the 2018 title and you could argue he was the best player in the in the world at the time and he gave you credibility to battle the Bronner and all this stuff but you're dealing with somebody named Uncle Dennis and you you're in this world you could say you could talk about oh and every NBA team does this this is a whole other level of what every other NBA team would do like even if they had gotten him an endorsement to do like an Elsa gun dose sub shop and he held the sub up like that famous Scotty Pippin same with Chad where he's holding the one with the giant footlong sandwich with the two girls between them that's one of the funniest dads of all time even if he had done that and they overpaid him for that at least he was getting paid for work I just can't believe that these people who also built like an awesome building who seem really competent everything they do were this bad when you read this 36 page report but then you think what more could we have expected from the most incompetent

12:44sports franchise of all time I wrote a piece the curse of the quippers in 2009 after Blake Griffin got drafted where I spud all all this stuff I I'm just going to rip through the highlights not even from that piece but everything after this is a team that traded for young Moses Malone in 1976 and then flipped them six days later for two first round picks they traded their MVP two time MVP Bob McHatley for John Ginoe and Cash they traded two starters and an unprotected first for Bill Walton who had broken feet and an Apache 35 surgeries players they stupidly gave away or lost since the NBA merger in 1976 mentioned Moses and McHatley Adrian Danley Terry Cummings Tom Chambers Danny Manning Lamar Odom Andre Miller and Elton Brand that's just in the 33 years span from 76000 they traded future first for world be free and Joe Bryant in those first became Charles Barkley and then I'm more on pick in the 1986 draft priority they took Danny Fairy one spot had a Glenn Rice even though Danny Fair was like I'm not reporting the quippers and I'm not

13:49reporting and playing it away they had traded the quippers they passed on KG and Kobe and consecutive drafts in spots where the easily could have taken them a lot of people passing them but it's notable they drafted Michael Ola Candy first and they're drafted with Pierce Vincent Der they drafted or traded the following stars traded for the following stars who either blew out their knee or their Achilles tiny Archibald Norman Nixon Marcus Johnson Danny Manning Derick Smith Ron Harper and Loyvut they drafted 18 forwards in the top nine over 33 years span they drafted Blake Griffin in 2009 super exciting immediately gets hurt Mrs. Isricky season they traded Baron Davis in 2010 to get off his contract the 2010 11 season the pick they trade to get rid of the contract ends up being the number one pick in the draft Kyrie Irving 2014 their best chance ever to make the finals they get completely submarine by Donald Sterling scandal which was the craziest owner scandal in the history

14:52of the league submarines them during a playoffs where it seemed like they might have the best chance to win if anyone in the playoffs so that happened they do the co-I trade which ends up with them giving SGA and Jalen Williams and basically building the OKC dynasty then the the co-wide piece of it where he just keeps getting hurt that basically blows up the first half of their of their decade where they never know if they could rely on him covid 2020 it's forgotten that as we're heading into covid three teams I have a chance to win the title Milwaukee and the two L.A. basketball teams we go into the bubble what was the team that completely fell apart in the bubble more than like famously more than anybody the team that just kind of wanted to get out there and didn't care if they want to play a front or not the Clippers and then 2021 right when that seasons wide open ends up being Phoenix and Milwaukee what happens co-wide gets hurt and round two they're not making the finals that's the only time they ever made a conference finals they did not have a retired

15:56list that I know of the best Clippers probably Clip Chris Paul the best Clipper ever who they just completely torpedoed their relationship last year the second best Clipper they've ever had is Blake Griffin who they signed to a big contract and then traded to Detroit cut his legs out and the third best Clipper is probably co-wide Leonard who just caused them a bar mitzvah worth of damage over over the 2020s in early 2030s so they have no picks in 29 30 31 32 and 33 and I don't know how you fix it so the big question for me was this the right punishment and this is I'm not saying they shouldn't have been punished I'm saying was this the punishment that they deserve because I think you can make a case maybe you give bomber the choice maybe it's either you sell the team or here's the punishment

17:02and if you don't sell the team your fans are going to know that you chose to keep the team and screw them over basically for a half a decade so you pick you tell us because either you sell in the next six nine months or here's the punishment because the part that gets lost in this is you have all these Clipper fans there's not a lot of them but they're they're there they're around Southern California and there's people that bought season tickets including myself about I have season tickets with my friend Mike Tolan when they built this new building they went around and they went to a lot of they basically asked if you want to sign a contract if you go if you buy in for five years you know you get 20% off you get this you get that so we're in year three of a five year contract for Clipper tickets and we signed up with a team that just cheated and got and got docked according to the NBA do they care about the fans at all like would they offer any Clipper fan like hey this was

18:02really bad we get it if you want to opt out of your tickets if you want to if you bought tickets for a game this year and you want to want us to return the money if you bought half of the season ticket whatever we're offering a refund right now what happens if there's a class action fund like what like if if Clipper sees ticket people got together and we're like we're actually going to see the Clippers because we don't want to pay for tickets this year after everything that happened what would happen this has never been tested in the history of of the NBA and the bigger thing to me and this is what I don't like about the punishment I get why they had to do it that way and you have to have basically this is the third real and people know what it is now the people that get punished are the fans Steve bombers worth 15 billion dollars right oh no I have to pay a 30 million dollar fine like he probably burped that out oh I can't go to Clipper Games for a year well who watch them on TV julien Jacobs and Lawrence Frank like they're suspended he gave Lawrence Frank a huge extension right before all this stuff happened

19:04the fans are stuck with the team and this is what happened in Minnesota in the mid 2000s this is what led when I was at ESPN I wrote a magazine column about how I wanted to be the new GM of the Timberwolves because they'd hit rock bottom and maybe they needed hope and some outside thinking how do you fix this from a Clipper standpoint with the fans like not only that was this coi thing a nightmare from start to finish they never won anything with them right and then on top of it they had to trade for James Hardin to try to make coi happier and then they gave up more picks this 2028 pick they have it's probably going to the Celtics unprotected it's like a Celtics sixers they get the best of the picks of wherever the pick played out so even before they lose 29 3031 3233 that picks going to Boston in 28 so as a Celtic fan I'll be rooting against Clipper next couple years but how do you reconcile all this with the fans how do you get them to come back what do you do how do you think outside the box to make them feel good about being a Clipper fan

20:06again especially tying in the last 50 years of this franchise and the fact that from the moment they moved to Southern California or started thinking about it it's like somebody tossed a black hat on this team and it's never going to change and if the outcome had been sell the into a dome to the Lakers moved this team in the Seattle I just don't think there's a lot of tear shit I really don't and I think what bomber did with this team where he was basically following the worst owner in the history of the league one of the worst owners in the history of sports and somehow came up with with an even worse outcome than anything from a basketball standpoint that happened with Starling so this is a disaster I really think that there should be some outs for the fans because I think this is just bullshit you root for a team you pick a team you're stuck with them you're not allowed a divorce your team so well we're allowed a divorce real people but not not our teams and if you pick the Clippers you're just taking in the chin

21:10for your entire life so how is that worth it at some point you got to come up with another choice for an NBA team and honestly I think it's right now for a lot of people so yeah I never thought the Clippers would find a new rock bottom but I think they have we're gonna take a break we're gonna go to Charles Barkley and Charles's audio and video was cutting out a little bit so there's some video spots that we had to run a picture when his video stopped but it's that you're gonna enjoy it he's great and he's coming up next the Bill Sim is podcast is brought to you by Fandall and guess what Fandall is now everywhere I'm not kidding it's everywhere California Texas Georgia Florida you can finally get in on the action at home the game whatever the group is watching it's all up to you Fandall makes sports more exciting because every fan can now celebrate your team winning or when the group chat calls the comeback does matter what state you're in wherever you are get in on the sports action with

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23:17and embargoes apply commercial use excluded no refunds. Charles Barclays here on a Thursday morning which we had planned I think for a couple weeks not realizing that the biggest punishment in the history of the NBA was about to come down against the sad sack clippers a team that when you ended up in Philadelphia you ended up with the clippers pick because they had traded their first five years earlier for jelly bean Joe Bryant and you end up with that you could have been a clipper I mean I mean you probably wouldn't even be talking to me right now you might be living in like a one bedroom apartment in Alabama somewhere. Yeah you listen look at it draw listen it was really interesting like remember when that thing came out like two weeks ago and the clip was like well we found no wrong doing blah blah blah then like they let him be said no that's that's very interesting we got a different one yeah so I said somebody asked him what I thought I says well NBA is trying to figure out what to do the clippers are

24:23not very good at cheating they got busted and they're trying to figure out a way to save the integrity of the people of the NBA the not very good at cheating I mean this was one of them shut out the public for uncovering like wow no break like really easy cheating to find so listen I think they did the best they could under the circumstances and the clippers that got what they deserved but this was probably let let Kauai come to Canada and that's the best case scenario yeah when that when Kauai when that trade got Greenlit for him to go to Toronto that made me suspicious because Toronto was probably the team in 2019 that had the most agenda against the clippers for how it played out yeah you know listen number one Kauai should have never left Toronto and it

25:24began it the only an entire country he had a great general manager massage at Harry you Jerry I mean it was it was it was one of the great runs that was one of great runs in NBA history about one guy who took an entire organization to the top random and he should have never left Toronto in the first place but this is just a stain on the NBA playing as simple this looks bad um there's no way that uh that's nothing you can really think from us got busted for cheating in a then I guess they got busted twice for cheating because I guess Kauai was getting paid by two different companies four and I mean sponsors I'd never heard of there people that didn't normally have sponsorship agreements with anybody and that's when once you get to four pretty tough to cover up the stuff yeah like even if you did a commercial you could at least cover it up a little bit

26:27yeah yeah like you could pay for not doing anything that's really bad cheating they could at least put them in some kind of a fake commercial or something like that to try to cover their ads which which honestly we're gonna be honest that's what they probably should have did like they have to know especially when I I saw when people start getting arrested you know everybody's don't flip and get less jail time so that's one that when the aspiration thing went down my man got jail time you have to know that's when the cook is started crumbling so if they were gonna cheat like they did all they really had to do bill honestly just do a fake commercial even yeah they should have did something like that so they would have been able to cover their ads yeah that was the in the in the in the in the report that came out where the it really seemed might they took umberage at a couple of things the clippers did including like you have this endorsement deal with the team that's never with a company that's never done endorsements and then

27:29there's no commercials or any sort of thing for the endorsement and they have no other arrangements like this with any other athletes or celebrities so what do you want us to do at this point yeah they put out them in a very bad situation they put and I got a lot of love I'll be put them in a bad situation and they got a hammer rightfully so plain and simple Chuck would you take money from a company that wanted you it is endorsement but you didn't have to actually endorse anything and nobody ever knew you even involved with the company I felt like you would do this bill let me tell you there there is never free money don't forget there's never free money like you some of these stories you've been here and do our our lifetime when something crooked happens if you do something crumbly for money it always comes out in the long right and always do one of my favorite things is jail is full of people who didn't

28:33commit crime like no no but they ask you a question obviously anybody would be tempted to take a lot of money but there's always consequences when you do something illegal there's always consequences playing the simple did you feel like this stuff was happening when you played or is this a relatively recent thing oh it happened when I played the rockets needed me to take a pay cut the sign scotted pipping and I said you know what y'all can get scotted pipping I'll take a pay cut right so there's a we'll make it up to you next year I'm like fine and it won a lot of money I think the most money I ever made I'm not saying it like stupidly most money I made was like five million dollars which is a money I know that you know that the internet food is gonna go crazy that's a lot of money so I took a pay cut so we could sign scotted pipping and let's say we're going to make

29:34it up it took me the next year and I was on the end I had nothing left in the tank but I had one more year left of my contract so I sure for training camp and starting my contract and they're like well we decided you wouldn't work this shit so we're not gonna give you that money back you just gonna give your original money back and I was like oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no they're like well you can go somewhere else and at that stage I like I couldn't get more than that money with them I'm like you know what y'all pissing me off but I had to take that money without you remember you go back remember when Joe Smith got busted but the 10 rules but teams have always did onto the table deals what I hate yeah you take a pay cut here we'll pick it up to you I think they're the absolute I think the NBA is investigating a couple of those right now uh Gary Trance serves me correct yeah yeah Gary Trance one is weird but people are doing this a long time so you know for the Clipper fans out there

30:41where you have your team just get destroyed by first the co-ired trade and then you lose a half a decade of first round picks including you had a couple picks in 2009 now you have won and the good point about it they're used to losing so it won't be a it won't be a drug to the that's true you know they've 50 50 years of experience with feeling bad um but when this happened with Joe Smith who you just mentioned in the timbre wolves I thought it had a profound impact on Kevin Grant Kevin Gardner's career um just Minnesota basketball in general it took them I would I mean then they were hiring the wrong people too this is the team that famously took two point cards that weren't Steph Curry in the 2009 draft like they made a bunch of mistakes but ultimately I look back at that and I remember writing about it at the time like holy shit this Joe Smith thing it might be ruining Kevin Gardner's prime they got the conference finals once in 04 and that was really it he was in a lot of it for three straight years after that and I wonder what the Clipper is is that gonna happen well the Clippers are not gonna be running for the

31:44next five years anyway yeah listen if you're in the Western Conference you better get um you can get the frequent finals mileage to Oklahoma City and to San Antonio and if you bought if you bought 10 tickets to San Antonio and 10 tickets to Oklahoma City for the next five years you're gonna you're gonna get to use them everything in the West is going through okay see in San Antonio the next five years uh those so there are two great organizations they got great players they're well coached like the NBA championship going through San Antonio and okay see the next five years not just to West but yeah so it doesn't that that's the only saving grace for the Clippers they're not gonna be irrelevant for the next five years but most scenes in the West are not gonna be relevant for the next five years I talked about this at the top of the podcast but do you feel like there should be protections for fans with this stuff like

32:44do you think the season ticket holders of the Clippers should be like this whole thing happened I didn't sign up for this I'd like to be led out of my season tickets like should fans have better protection 100% and be a one one and one thing I've always said I think this should be a rule that you cannot raise your ticket prices if you below 500 I've always said that I don't think like some of these teams but they raise their ticket prices every year no matter what I've all I've said vastly said this that should be a rule in pro sports as you cannot raise ticket prices to go team below 500 and I don't even think that's that much of a life on issue like if your team is below 500 you should not be able to raise your ticket prices plain and simple yeah I wonder like even in the second half of a season when a team's clearly trying not to win if those tickets should be discounted we don't think about this stuff at all with the paying customers for whatever reason

33:46that's a little bit different because if you ask a fan are they trying to get to that damn lottery that's a different animal but now nobody the lottery is in the same anymore though like if you're in the bottom three now you've less ping pong balls yeah but I think the NBA screwed it up what they have at I've said from again and every team in a lot we get one ping pong ball that's it but there's no sure we were watching with ping pong balls for losing it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard like okay you don't get one ping pong ball that will force you to try to win down the stress because like what we're gonna be in a lot of we're not gonna get more balls I've not always start to NBA screwed this thing up front of the beginning every team in a lottery did one ping pong ball I mean I think you can count on one hand the amount of time to team with the worst record actually got the number one draft pick yeah they never get it so why are you rewarding them to tank games the last 30 games of the season no you know you're gonna be in the lottery you're gonna get one ping

34:49pong ball and that's it that'll be an easy simple way to fix their lottery can you explain to the people listening who are a little bit younger who don't remember the 80s and 90s how incompetent the clippers were when you're an NBA player what it was like to play against them what just what it was like to have them in the league during that stretch they're kind of like a lot of baseball teams now the clippers always had good players but they wouldn't pay them I tell people this all the time the notion that every team is trying to win in sports it's not true it's not true some of these guys are just great businessmen they're making money because they split the revenue their team is getting evaluated on five two and three hundred million more every year so they're running a business but Donald Sterling was a great businessman you he was an awful person but he was a great business man the clippers go back feel I've said this for years it's impossible to be bad as sports

35:55it's impossible think about this if you're gonna get a lottery pick every year your teams should get better automatically I when I'm talking to my friends I said these teams somebody teams are not trying to win because think about this if you're a great lawyer you're gonna go to the best law firm if you're a great you're gonna go to the best hospital sports we're the only job in the world think about this we're the only job in the world but we tell you you suck but you know we're gonna do we're gonna let you pick a new crop of people coming out the best of the best and you said it early about Minnesota they picked two point guards and back to back years that word name step curvy they just don't know what they're doing I think people are trying it's impossible to it's impossible to be bad as sports if you just if you got unless you got bad people don't know what they're doing go back and look at every draft think about this the side

36:58of Tony us first they moved up to get quiet they drafted Tony Parker to know we're all the famous in the second round a late first round that's they know what they're doing but you know people didn't pick Jaylen Bronson they picked him late like people just don't know what they're doing like and you know now now they're using analytics but the best way to evaluate basketball players to get people who know exactly what they're looking for but I do like if you're not good at your job yeah but a lot of these guys general managers they keep their job to like three head coaches if they get lucky every now and then they keep their job but man it's impossible to be bad as sports if you know what you're doing yeah to that point like think about Oklahoma City right in the late 2010s were Durant Leaves they have Westbrook they make a big play for Paul George

38:01they're kind of they have a low ceiling they're not going to make the finals they know it and then Presti it within a year completely rebuilds the team makes the Paul George trade nails a couple picks and they go from like we suck to now we're a title container in two years because they played the system correctly but a lot of teams don't number one nobody thought she was going to be this great but right you put Jaylen Williams you put Jake Hungram and what the thing Sam does been anybody in the league he got guys on the bench that are incredible right Isaiah Jill I know they just treated him they got the jail in Williams kid like he can because you when you're dropped as low as they are you have to know what you're doing it's actually he's from the San Antonio model and he said he's doing like the same stuff with with Genobley and Parker the guy he's getting late first round second round are really really good players that goes back to what

39:02we're talking about if you know what you're doing but there's guys who pick guys in a lottery who can't play dead you know but if you know what you're doing you got to have a great scouting staff you got to have a great man place so you look at like some of the other teams and what they did this year right Phil Adolfio sometimes sometimes you get lucky right Phil Adolfio Maxi fell to 21 they end up they getting him that's a great great pick they they they take for one year they get VJ edge comb great pick Jay Lebrand the Celtics want to move off him they're in the right place right time with dad they get him and then all of a sudden the bronze like hey that's looking pretty good over there I'll jump in too and now all of a sudden they have the number two odds in the East yeah you know what's interesting about that Bill I've been asked you know I live in Philadelphia doing a summer because they got the best golf courses in the world so I picked off everything so I've been in Philly for the last two months um I have been asked 9,755 times

40:08why the Census tree did them brown and Philly and 9,752 times I said I have zero idea why and that was to me one of the craziest trades I've seen in my 40 years in the NBA I can't explain it it doesn't make like okay the self-just don't want to deal them brown I understand it clearly they did not want to get around deal them brown there is no way in the hell you trade him that close to number one of the team you got to play five times in the regular season and probably going out to beat get through in the playoffs because the sixes were dead the sixes were dead they were irrelevant they had a agent Paul George and an agent JLMB for the next two years would here uh fall three or four years with them be they were dead in the water irrelevant and now of a sudden they get Jamin they are back in contention and then you throw the chair on top with

41:12LeBron but there's nothing anybody can say to me that I can go on TV or on your podcast or anywhere that trade may sense but it's self-dict that's just crazy yeah I've obviously been sitting with it all summer and I think about two weeks ago talked myself into at least maybe why I could work but fundamentally I just thought Jalen was so good last year and I get that they didn't want to pay two guys that amount of money like both of them had top 10 contracts in the league for value and to me like the more I stare Paul George makes similar money to Zaylun for the next two years they didn't have they don't have they didn't have to pay Jalen right now I think what they were thinking was Paul George and Jalen they're making around the same money this year next year Paul George is an expiring would allow them in the circle back but it was interesting some of the rhetoric they had about like Steven's who you know is always very careful what he says

42:16and he just seemed to think like the team ran its course with those two guys and that it wasn't sustainable anymore to contend and that a year from now they're going to be in the same decision they were in this year and they had to make a move they had to change the team they had to move Jalen out use all these people in his spot and that was either going to be them going sideways or maybe even going up I just I watched the whole season last year I thought Jalen was was incredible you know and that's the part I can't wrap my head around trading a guy off an awesome season I just haven't seen that before yeah Jalen was great last year and let's be honest once Jason gets a chance to have an entire off season summer he's going to come back being a MVP Calvac player they would have been the favors that my band in the east I think that next thing was what one of the greatest runs but I think they're going to regress a little bit yeah but they in my opinion it's dealing how to stay with the Celtics they would have been the favorite in the east going forward next year and if even if you want to get a next their respect

43:21they would have been the septentine in the east right so listen I'm trying to wrap my head around it to be honest with you Bill well I can say I'm not even a post to them of trading Jalen but you don't trade them to fill it up if you don't trade them you don't say I even the owner of the sixes told me he says you're a great player I've got to trade you I'm not trading you anywhere in the east and conference yeah yeah I mean you trade him I West but they trade him to Philly to a division rival that was just crazy now like I said you because of Brian there's no chance for Brian comes Philly the zero chance for Brian comes to Philly if Jalen's not there here's the here's the thing with that I didn't see my there was a marker for Jalen which is even more surprising but goes back to what we talked about in the beginning about a lot of these teams are just stupid like they if Jalen's if they're basically like hey we're shopping Jalen Brown yeah

44:24we've seen all the teams in the NBA I find it hard to believe there was in the team or two that would have been like yeah well we'll we'll make a run and then we'll go for him but you were in the situation when I think about like chemistry and stuff which was obviously a reason they wanted to split up Tatum and Brown even though they got along there there was like no bad blood or anything but I think that there was a little bit of a whose team is this thing that they just wanted to get ahead of and they didn't think it was solvable especially how good Jalen was last year as the guy you went through this in Houston when you guys got Pippin now you guys were older yeah but you had Pippin and Hakim and you and you guys were all you're all three of the top 35 parts of all time and it didn't work so why didn't it work was it beyond you being old why didn't it work just because we were old we made it to the conscious foul like I think my first year in Houston but you're not with Pippin yeah but that's the only good year that we had we were broken down and Scott didn't want to be there yeah he took the money but he didn't want to be there now

45:26we voted to Portland right away after that but we were just old-hats bans to be honest what you feel we had one good year I mean we remember Stockton hit the shot Matt Maloney that year yeah my first year in the nation we had a good year and and and and I was cooked I had a good seven year but after that I was cooked but it was a keen was cooked and cloud was cooked and that's why cloud and that's what honestly why Scott had wanted out of there remember when but remember we traded a came the next year yeah but we were just all cooked to be honest with you people only we got a a keen finish in Toronto people forget that but but we were all cooked to be honest with you yeah there's some tough jerseys from the 90s because we have Ewing was in Seattle in Orlando yeah keep was in Toronto some stuff Tony Parker ended up playing for Charlotte in the 2010s you know it always ends badly it always badly you know it far the time is always going to win

46:33I think it's a leak easier it's a lot easier today let me get that out the way because there's no physicality so you can play another couple years but like it's all the physicality's gone out the game but but most great players it always ends badly I mean he could say Michael for the Wizards ended badly if you want to be honest it did he wasn't Michael Jordan playing for the wicks but didn't make the playoffs either yeah but it's always going to end badly if you keep screwing around with far the time all right so we kept we've been saying this about LeBron for the last couple years and you know I just does he defy it because Brady defied it Brady played to his 45 who won a Super Bowl he was an MVP and this was in his like early 40s and it kept going and going can the bronby the only guy who defies that we have to be honest about LeBron if he gets swept into playoff the last couple years so just cause you're putting up good numbers don't mean you're being effective and I don't I'm not taking a shot at LeBron it's just facts you know people say

47:37he's defying the odds I'm like well for my memory serves me correctly he's got swept it in playoff the last couple years I thought uh yeah so I says is he putting up good numbers yes he's putting up good numbers that does not mean you're defined because it's to me it's it's a lot easier to get numbers now it's a lot easier to get numbers but I'm saying and LeBron's playing well don't get me wrong but to say he being father that I'm like they got swept and we're going to be honest you know we got a lot of step step step for wives out there but it comes to LeBron and you disagree with LeBron or you just hating on LeBron uh I I know the way Jaylen Rose was getting some heat he said the meat is turned into LeBron fanboys and I I know they're stepping wise they just go along with whatever they say I said LeBron's playing pretty good I I agree with that but they've gotten swept the last two years in the playoffs so don't tell me how great he's playing because uh if you can't swap you're not playing that good yeah I guess great he's

48:40playing great for a guy in his 40s that they but the issue is and I think this has been the issue for them the last couple years and they clearly knew it because they didn't really want him to come back you have you basically have two spots what you said that again they didn't want him to come back I've been saying that all summer I'm so glad she said yeah because I deal with these fools in the media like LeBron left the linkers I said leckers didn't want LeBron they were like it's time for us to move on like a lot of way he released that statement saying I've decided to move on like dude the linkers they hell list they're like no it's time for you to move on but that's and you if you I'm glad you sent it like that because I tell people you think if the linkers really wanted LeBron he would have left there come on man stop it these if media guys are so like LeBron made the decision to leave the linkers like no the linkers made the decision for LeBron and they made the decision in January of February and the Luca got hurt yes LeBron had that

49:43resurgence but the issue with the brown were they needed to do it it was time for him and I was disappointed he went to filly I'll be honest with you I wanted him I thought it'd been a great ending for him to go back to Cleveland but he has no affiliation with the 76ers yeah I thought it would have been a perfect ending and let's be honest with you I think honestly if LeBron went to the Cavaliers they they would have been my pre-season pick but they got a really really good team they just need some leadership and LeBron had a went to the Clayton Cavaliers they would have been my pick and and let them tell you something if he would able to go out winning a championship in Cleveland it I can say I'm always going to think my greatest player but LeBron's career would have been the greatest career if he got a went back to Cleveland because if he wins a championship in filling could be cool because Philly had won a long time but if he had a went back to Cleveland

50:46at 42 years old or 43 of being on play two years and walked out winning a championship it would have been the greatest career like it had been Brady asked because Brady is at the top of the food chain on careers yeah but if LeBron at his age would have been back to hometown and win it would have been the greatest career in sports history yeah it's I don't think he felt like he could win with that team in the same way is my interpretation because it seemed like at the beginning of Fraege in C he was headed to Cleveland I would have bet anything on it and he was he was the only team he was actually meeting with in person in real ways but something scared him off on the Cleveland thing and maybe he thought they could get rid of James Howard and I don't know well listen you know what I this is what I think I don't have no proof I'm just scared out of my ass I think once he found out they had probably did an under table deal with James for three more years yeah I think that's probably what scared him away because I believe if he went back if he

51:46went back to Cleveland they would have been the favorite no question I mean they just they got to the conference finals last year and you had LeBron with his leadership to go with those guys they would have been the favorite but there's no doubt in my mind because you know first I'm surprised they gave James three years but it makes sense like okay we have promised him that deal one thing about LeBron just from the last couple years I think what's changed even though you the numbers were relatively the same right I think the issue is you basically have two spots for expensive guys on an NBA team right the way the salary cap is now that the second apron so if you're going to really pay two guys you better make sure you can win a few playoff rounds in a row with and LeBron and his age clearly you know I don't think he could be one of the two guys anymore because of the grind of the season how you have to play on both ends and if they wanted to pay Reeves that you can't pay Luca Reeves and LeBron and expect to win more than one playoff rounds so

52:46I think they were out in February on it oh I agree with that but I still think if you had them want to Cleveland would come twentaw and Donald and Ming and LeBron is going to have ball board James Harden if he had them there I thought that would have been the third percent of East of my faith because they were I mean like I said what the team they had they got to the conference finals and right there and and one of the worst one of the worst coaching jobs and one of the worst NBA games I've been playing with 20 point of feed like that like they were close um so so so LeBron had to win there in my opinion they wanted what they would have been the favors in the East. Here's the thing if you're paying LeBron four million a year that's a great deal I don't care what team he's on like that's amazing value for somebody like I why do you think San Antonio didn't want him because they and him going to bias Harris instead and doing some other things but San Antonio was so close I felt like he would have a huge impact for them. That team

53:50first of all those two guards I don't want to see them for the next 10 years if I'm a guard in the NBA yeah Papa and Cal and uh Cal football if I'm a guard in the NBA I do not want to see them for us the next 10 years they're going to be the best they're going to be the new step and Clay I really think they're like no you know what let's just do it organically we got to win we got to we got to so yeah and I think because they won't probably wouldn't be to grow into the leadership role on his own because they like say they're going to be the team to be with okay see but the next 10 years in the NBA I mean you're going to go through okay see San Antonio the next 10 years I'll take a bit right now if you say but give me okay see in the spurs they're going to win five championships in the next 10 years I'll take that bit five in the next 10 yes here's the thing like normally I would say you're right Chuck I think that's the right

54:57instinct we've had eight champions in eight years and we've had a bunch of teams already that people are like oh what like Denver after 2023 watch out for these guys to be the next dynasty Celtics in 2024 uh oh here we go hey let me tell you something if if you go back and look at those teams if the numbers have to treat it everybody they probably would have repeated right but honest this first one seven games without okay have okay see having their second best player okay see probably one that's serious if they have a head jail and they probably would have beat the next but so and listen I'll go back to this if the subjects have never you know what the subject superpower was for Zincus yeah if they could take them healthy and brown and kill for Zincus healthy such as what one another happens always been something flaky that happened or we would have had some teams that would have repeated

56:03but when the subjects have for Zincus I like nobody can beat that team right there for Zincus that would gave them a superpower because you had Tatum and for Zincus I'm like nobody can beat that team I said that like in January and I didn't know Jayden Williams gonna get hurt I said okay she's gonna win the championship and he got hurt never got helped to watch her ever listen okay see this first gonna be bell in the west but I'll take five out of ten I'll take that benefit put it out there somewhere yeah but you just made the case why that's not gonna happen there's so many dumb things that can happen with these teams you can have injuries you can make one dumb trade you can't pay everyone at the same time and we I just feel like we've seen like the Warriors who they won 15 yeah four but three and five years basically right when Durant came but they won one before Durant then they won two after and they lost them 19 and we would have said when he showed it there oh my god they're gonna win eight of the next 10 and they won two more and then they won the extra one in 22 but but they probably wouldn't want another one if if LeBron they got they

57:08remember they got the package from the NBA when they suspended three months they probably won another one remember yeah yeah I think this okay C team is bigger and deeper and I think this first team is bigger and deeper so they don't have some listen this Webby kid he's got a chance he can do things that most people can't do yeah okay C is the deepest team and then the deepest team at the league they they I mean they almost made to the finals without the second best player being out I think he only played them probably 30 games all year all right so if I'm the rest of the league and I agree that on paper five and the next ten could go through synatonio kissy I'm thinking well who knows with injuries and money especially when b 7 foot say it's always scared to him and his south all this stuff what happens with chat homegrown the next couple years was that an aberration in the playoffs last year or maybe he's not as good as we thought he did like they're I'm talking

58:12myself in a certain reality is because then honestly the next thing the next and the run they had and the fact that they basically just came together for nine weeks and won a title it makes me wonder is that do we have so much talent in the league now could that keep happening the next probably the greatest run in NBA history for for a good solid team I don't think they are great team but it had one of the bronze and ternanja one of the great all-time performers which is interesting because I don't think even the next sign and they thought he was going to be this great yeah I mean I don't think and I saw I remember there's a bunch of clips and he kept receipts when he showed with people bashtim when he went through the day coming this is not a need a mover blah blah blah blah blah I love when he played that video but man it's been one of the great surprises he is turning one of the great players in our league but they want to one of the great runs one of the great runs in NBA history but like I said I'll take my chance with

59:17OKC and as pers but if they do that while the future I'm going to put some money on OKC and as per for the next five years for sure okay so you're over under next five years three and a half titles for OKC and this person sounds like oh yeah for sure okay how much fun are you going to make fun of the Lakers this year the snowtime Lakers all the way guys just with the weird team they built the general this feels like it's going to be comedic fighter for you on the ship now I really want to see the Lakers do well first of all I'm a big group of saying a big awesome range fan I think they're going to be better than people realize I really like yeah the Luca Luca and Kyrie took the Laker took the math to the finals come on man this team is probably better it's probably team is just as good as that team they're going to be fine I think are they going to win the championship I don't think they're going to win the championship but the league is

1:00:21better when the Celtics the next and the Lakers are good team yeah see listen with all the crap that was going on in the NBA with this low-manifest bullshit the quiet thing and all the stuff going on I think the NBA got the Lucas League in sports history with the next one in the championship I thought I've been in the NBA for 40 years this was the best feel good story that I'm trying to think when we've had a champion that was such a feel good story Dallas that the only one is Dallas and Dirk but that was really one player versus a whole city and all the history an all-time great getting that monkey off his back he can't win it's nothing I'm pretty much you're dirt it's the only other in in the conversation where it was something that everybody felt good about basketball well I remember with Dirk the first time I think one of

1:01:22the first times we ever did a podcast when I was at ESPN you called it the shit list when a guy when he no matter how great he is if he doesn't have the title you just down the shit list and like Dirk pulled them so off the shit list right yeah he did Dirk put himself on the car malone John's talking Charles Parker proud to you and shit list Elton Baylor one all-time greats Elton Baylor yeah I was happy for Dirk because there's nothing you know you don't go crazy over it but when you hear guys talking about it these are all the time great to players who have wanted to have to become up all the time so it drives you crazy like all of a sudden we're like golf and tennis the individual sport instead of a team sport I'm not sure how that actually happened but it happened so but other than 100% agreed to other than Dirk pulling them in the championship and this winning championship was probably the second best field good store we've had in a long time do you think it was repeatable or are they a one and done I think they're one and

1:02:23done I think that would just a perfect storm you know it's with you I do I just think it was a perfect storm because you know one thing is quiet to kill the Eastern confidence become better than the Western Conference yeah I mean you take away the Brooklyn you take away the Brooklyn is there's not a bad team in the Eastern Conference that's the one of the things that got signs me about Philadelphia you know Jule and beat has never played a full seat but Braun hasn't played a full seat in probably six years partly gonna be able to hold them because like I say other than Brooklyn every team in the Eastern even the Washington with us is gonna have a good team I mean come on man what's the last time we've been able to say that 10 years so every time the sixers play the Celtics it's gonna be a dog fight and so if they don't have those guys and they're the number H.C. and they have to win three series on the roads that's hard to do well you also have

1:03:23the miles from the previous years right they made the conference finals two years ago they went all the way last year we saw that with the Warriors where they had to have five year run but by the time they got into year five they're running on fumes the rank gets hurt quite Thompson gets hurt you know the hundred playoff games 95 playoff games a year kind of adds up um um Janice and bam on Miami yeah they gonna have a good team to do I think they're gonna win a championship no but they got a lot of spots to feel but they're gonna be a good team you can be bam and Janice that goes back to my original point you know I see that's what I'm being in LeBron both got to stay healthy because every game what I can say the only team and I shouldn't say it because I'm going by last year the only team I can see the stinks in the eastern conferences Brooklyn that and let us go down Orlando's gonna have a good team Charlotte Charlotte's got a good team the Indiana's back Indiana and Indiana's gonna be a really one Indiana's gonna be one of my sleepers

1:04:27but also out west be too let me tell you something you know a team is gonna surprise people this year for Utah Jazz yeah Danny is quietly building a really really good team they're gonna surprise people be able to say who's your sleeper this year I said man Indiana's gonna be really good I said because the zoo boss trade they got kind of got screwed in the lottery because they couldn't got another good player but having a boss back zoo bosses the hell of a player in Halliburton when I said man watch out for the Utah Jazz they probably get now they got to figure out what to do are they gonna keep what's the guard and mark mark and because they can jump start there for you to quickly with him they could be a playoff team with him but if they traded him they could get the Kings rasm because he's a helper player yeah I'm with you on Utah because the X factor for them is a Peterson is good right away they're gonna be really dangerous because that's

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1:08:41regular season then the playoffs you seemed like you guys again yeah it was great the only thing I didn't like we never worked I thought it was disrespectful to the fans because yeah this is mad we we were very sad them own it's crazy how they never they were great to be honest with you they didn't do anything when you're in a relationship you wanted to work for both people and I called them all the time I said yo man if we do it somebody don't like tell us he said do we love what y'all doing and I said the only thing that I had a problem with and people complain I said do the fans don't know when we're on we want to work we we open the season bill in October we work one day in November and we were Christmas day right so we worked three times three months I says the fans can't find the games as it is because we're on three different network they don't know what night

1:09:43different things are and I thought that was disrespectful to the fans I know these TV networks I know they pay a lot of money but we should do everything we can to make the make the games accessible to the fans and I didn't think we did that last year still on us once a month to start the season I didn't like that at all because the fans like with them when are they gonna be on again we're like we're on once a month they the rest of the time they were on NBC and Amazon they know let's help the fans find the games that's what we should do so I feel like there's some endarounds like they could put you on ESPN plus or ESPN 2 and just try to keep you in the habit of being on once a week seem to be the easy fix because ball that's just not going to happen okay that's not going to happen so stop it you just told me you wanted a word work one day yeah but no I'm not gonna do the uh do that every show shit that was the one thing I laid down I'm gonna be I'm gonna be

1:10:48a good team player but I'm not going on every show number one I think it's really important for me to limit the amount of times I'm on television like when I'm on I want to be on like no no you misunderstood me I'm saying I'm saying do more inside the NBA not others shows I'm not on TV at all right now I don't want to be I don't I don't do shows right now because when the season starts I want to do our show I'll do a couple of eat spam things but the last thing you want to be is on every show I don't want people to get sick of seeing my face I'm very strategic I've done the same thing like I have a I'm doing your podcast I have a been on TV since the season ended I went on TV one day when the Brown now just saying they had me all over down creation I cursed LeBron as out because I was on my way to the golf course and they called me to turn around I was on my way to the golf course they call me to the Browns gonna make a decision

1:11:49what made it even funny and weird Bill I I was on my way to the golf course in Philly because I live in Philly during the summer and I went back and they didn't know where he was going so I had to go chill and talk about it then he announced it was on Philly and I spent the next five hours on TV in Philly talking about LeBron coming to Philly I was so damn pissed I told LeBron when I said I'm gonna kick him in his ass but I really do a conscious effort I told ESPN I'll do greenie every now and then because I got much respect for greenie I'll do Stephen A every now and then but the one thing I'm very conscious of I don't want to be on TV all the time because I don't want people to go late listen and I don't want to call out guys you know guys who love sitting themselves on television I don't want to call anybody out yeah I have an idea who you're talking about I'm sick of you on TV you don't have to go on every show you don't

1:12:53have to have an opinion on everything so I'm like to get back to your original point I'll do greenie every now and then because I like him I'll do Stephen A every now and then but no I'm not going on every show that's not shit's not going to happen I can promise you that well at least you're not doing the thing this year where you're claiming you're gonna retire to get you retired more than Muhammad Ali I've eaten Muhammad Ali at seven retirements and you had nine you know you know Bill let me let me I'm gonna say you this for the last time and I need you to listen to me like my girl Judith said you do you do you do this it I need you to hear me you got a listen to me you I need you to hear me you listen but you're not hearing me so I told it TNT I was gonna retire at 60 and they're like oh he's full of shit he's not going tired so we come up I'm saying guys this my last year they're like what do you mean I said I told you I was six years ago I was going to retire at 60 they're like you were serious I said yeah I was

1:13:56serious then they said to me do us a favor stay two more years till we get the new deal I talked it over with my friend they're like I said okay I tell you what I'll stay to 62 which was last year yeah and they said they said I say I'll stay the next year little I know these fucking idiots is gonna lose the NBA now I say like so I so I had made it my mind I was gonna retire at the last year so I said okay I'm good like I say I'm gonna pass it to Jamal Crawford or Jalen Rose I'm good yeah so they're like okay so then they're like well we need to decide I said I said I told you I was retiring next year they said we can't let people think you're retiring but we're in the goals of skating a new TV deal I said that hasn't anything to do with me I'm retired

1:14:57they're like can we tell people you're gonna stay I said yeah okay tell people I'm gonna stay but I'm not staying but I didn't know they were gonna lose the deal so I'm retired this is true story I'm meet with NBC I'm meet with Amazon NBC offers me a deal I'm like I appreciate it but no thank you Amazon never offer me a deal but I said I met with them I said no thank you so I think I'm retired I get a call from Ernie who's the person I trust and respect the most he says Chuck they got this deal on the table but ESPN is gonna take our show which you consider keep working I said well I mean not really he said but everybody can keep their job not me I'm gonna check everybody behind the scenes you know Bill I really love the people I've been with him for 26 27

1:16:02years I was like Ernie how long do you want to stay he says let's keep their job for two more years and so as to earn a house to take for two more years but he says Chuck I'm planning on tying in two years so me and Ernie are a fact is to deal so to answer your question Ernie Ernie said to me Chuck would you please stay for two more years I said you know what I love you man you're the best I said I'll stay for two more years so right now I left Ernie changing his mind next year is my last year for a hundred percent deal but I always have to explain to people these retirement conversations because I like I'll explain why I was gonna retire but so right now Ernie Ernie told me this year and next year was his last few years but the only reason I stayed is so

1:17:04everybody can keep their job behind the scene we're talking to two hundred people but I'm hoping to show keep going on ESPN but if Ernie retires after next year I'm done because we are packaged deal I got so much love and respect for that guy if he says he's done I'm done because let's be realistic I could have went to NBC and made more money if I was concerned about money right NBC offered me more than I was making it but I was like it ain't about the money I say I'm done but man I really wanted to keep these people because I've been I've been with these people these are 26 or 27 years I get to know them and all their families and but like I say I can't just keep working but forever do I be six or three freaking no I'm not I listen I want to down the golf course bill I don't want to die on TNT on ESPN it's definitely not I don't want to hear

1:18:10down and out and drop dead on the I want to drop dead on the 13th hole I it's funny when I I went to see you for the the first time we met was 2002 I think I went to do a piece about inside the NBA when I was writing free as pin dot com and one of my takeaways was like oh this is why the show works these guys love each other and it's so funny like you you still have that same relation with Ernie 25 years later basically where now you feel like it's you and him to the end yeah because number one remember I told you how you plan to remember I said man I'm a big fan of yours I read your stuff blah blah blah you like what I said I'm a big fan of yours I remember you kidding yeah yeah so you know you know Ernie and he is the glue the whole all this stuff together yeah he works his behind and he's been so so much stuff in his life you know the sun had a couple years ago that was traumatic for us

1:19:13you know he battled cancer you know when you work with somebody I mean I can't even believe you know it's really fun to earn it give me shit all the time because when I took the job he's pulled me aside he's just be honest with me how long are you gonna be here I said Ernie I'm gonna be if the five years and I'm probably gonna take an NBA job and like once a month he says hey how's that year five thing worked out for you because I'm not going to lie I recently I recently thought I saw my two tv from three or four five years max and then I'm gonna take an NBA uh uh and now 26 to seven years later and it's amazing I would have loved to have had you as a GM in the mid 2000s when I was right in my column when when we had that was like the atrocious GM Apex all the all those teams the nicks and the timber wolves and there I don't know if you would have fleece them or you would have gotten infected by them but something interesting would happen

1:20:13you know I've had three chances via GM but they wouldn't give me total control I says yeah no I'm not leaving my job to take a job and I'm gonna get fired I says right I saw this happen my jill with the wizards like they blame him for everything but I said I have no problem child blaming me for anything but I'm gonna have complete authority on all the drafts and trades like when you have no experience yeah who you think I'm a harm my brother I'm I'm I says I you I can always tell who's gonna be a good NBA coach or a coach in general bill by the assistance they hired because a lot of these coaches one thing I admire about Nick Sabin he hired every ex-head coach because he knew they were gonna be a good assistant and they're gonna do things the right way they want to be a here coach again a lot of these coaches hired their friends and their buddies and they like somebody who they ain't worried about taking their job I said I don't want somebody want to be an

1:21:18assistant their whole life I'm gonna surround myself with successful people but next thing you go back every coach he hired Kirby Lane Kippen Sarkeesian the coach at Maryland like he hired guys who had got fired Bush Jones because number one they know how to run if you a head coach is a coach because being a assistant coach is like night and day when being a head coach man but he hired guys we had ran things who knew how to organize things but what he's like I'm gonna strong the systems around me but a lot of these coaches going back to the area you were talking about they hired their buddies who didn't know what they were doing who were like they weren't about somebody taking their job I want somebody around me who was ambition who won't dump other than an assistant you got to because the be successful you got to surround yourself with successful people right I agree with you I've tried this episode is brought to you by my old friend NFL Sunday ticket

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1:23:24the Packers and Vikings sign up for Paramount Plus today stream all a super sports week I mean what else would you call it gonna do it um you always come on every or at least September before the NFL sees that this is the fourth or fifth straight time you have opinions you have picks two years ago we looked this up two two years ago you picked the Eagles to win the Super Bowl and they actually did so I think you're one and you're one and four lifetime with us so obviously everyone's on pins and needles to save you can increase the percentages what do you have for the season but today's something man I was so excited when last Saturday happened it was my Christmas they called a week zero I finally got to go into a what's book and bet on football I was it could just like because now it's like Christmas for me every Saturday and Sunday for the next six seven months you know football my favorite sport I don't normally leave my house on Saturday and Sunday so that bet on football every weekend I just freaking love it I do I love it and so last week

1:24:31I went into casino for the first time and it got to look to me like it's like Christmas for you and it is like Christmas in the middle of the damn summer I'm good to go I'm good to go for the night I love going into casino every Saturday and Sunday betting on football Bill I do but this gonna be this gonna be a great year you know the obviously everybody's on the rounds Ben Wagon man I'm it's great to see Aaron Donald back I got so much love I respect for that guy but in the in the AFC man I want this team to win the Super Bowl so damn bad Bill I don't want to see the Buffalo Bills uh Josh Allen to me is the best player in football I saw her and her ever say that the other day on the AF man he's the disguised the best player in football and they went out and got him a weapon DJ Moore I hope it's enough I hope they improved their defense I would love to see they got a new head coach obviously but I want to see the Buffalo Bills because you know you talking about the

1:25:35shit list earlier I think one of the greatest accomplishments in sports history they're never gonna get recognition or to love it deserve as the Buffalo Bills going to four street Super Bowls that's never happened before but they're never gonna get the respect they deserve because they never won one one it's one of the great because you know you talked about early all the wear and tear you put on your body when you play all those extra games all those year after year after year but the Buffalo Bills had to then you know and it's it sucks they've never gotten the credit and respected they deserve but had accomplishment but I'm I'm I'm all in on Buffalo I'd love to see them win the AFC and get to the Super Bowl and the NFC man the Seattle Seahawks have to be the most disrespected champion in the history football I got a chance to meet their coach coach McDonald in Lake Tahoe and man the job he did man they that defense was incredible South Donald

1:26:38he didn't see ghosts in the more he just saw the Vince Lombardy but that defense was incredible they don't even mention it anymore this all about the Rams like I said I know they got miles and and I'm glad to see Aaron Donald back but man the Seattle has to be the most disrespected team Super Bowl champion in a long time can your Patriots be good again since they got my man AJ you know that's gonna be interesting you know how am I Eagles gonna do now that that's the big question and Philly it's gonna be a lot of pressure on Jalen to play at a high school so if you look at it listen I think the sleeper team it is not you know why I know they have a sleeper team the quietest mouse in the room has been Jerry Jones this is the this is the first time that I can ever remember they've went the entire preseason without Jerry being on television

1:27:43every single day that tells me he thinks the Cowboys got a legit chance I agree super quiet for two months and listen you think about for the last for the last few years it's been Michael's contract date uh that's contract for the last three or four year CD lamb CD lamb's contract a year before I haven't heard Jerry all preseason which tells me he think they got a good team yeah I agree so yeah so they're gonna be really good man but that's what you know there's always don't can Calla Murray listen to him McConnell is a genius on offense can Calla resurrect his career man oh here's another while it's not never for for Lamar and Baltimore right now I never that's what makes I tell people when you play sports when you got a good team

1:28:46to begin out of season there's nothing like it bill like guys know when their team sucks yeah but when you tell people very few years when you play basketball or football you're like you got chance of winning the championship or winning the Super Bowl like I played for 16 years probably five years I'm like we got a chance of winning the championship and probably football is harder but you know you but it's probably it's probably 10 teams has got a legit chance to win the Super Bowl the other 20 they're like we trying to get better and we make the playoffs we're gonna have a good year but when you like the Patriots they they got to get to the Super Bowl to feel like they had another good year Buffalo Baltimore two thoughts on what you said because I said this last week about the Seahawks I'm so glad you said that about them being

1:29:50disrespected I was making the case last week they might be the first NFL Super Bowl champ who is a nobody believes in us team everybody's moved on they have basically 95% of their team is back from last year when they dominated everybody and I don't know everybody's just blowing the Rams blowing the Rams blowing the Rams but if if I you mentioned McDonald how good of a coach he is you know he's gonna use it his motivation the whole year everybody's already hitting the Super Bowl the Rams it's like we didn't even win you know how this goes this happens at football all the time yeah I heard some idiots on TV talking about 10 of Rams go undefeated I'm like I'm defeated like they never make they made the playoffs yet so but you know that's what makes father but like you know who you know I got a man crush on Dan Campbell I want to see Dan Campbell I'm a lot of seed Detroit get back to the playoffs and do some damage I mean it's so that's that's what makes

1:30:51it for it's crazy Bill that's it because last year nobody's specced your pages to get to the Super Bowl no no I thought they're be good I didn't see it how about Sean Payton in Denver this might be the favorite in the AFC they might have got to the Super Bowl this year if my boy told me some almond didn't get hurt I mean there was two teams the Denver absolutely could have beaten the Patriots and probably would have next didn't get hurt and then Houston would have beaten the Patriots of Stroud didn't completely fall apart in that game because Houston had the best defense at least in the AFC maybe in the whole league and also can he rebound right he probably got more pressure on him than any player in the NFL when you got a defense that good and you would read the single hand of the reason they lost and like he's probably in my opinion he's probably got more pressure on him than any player in the NFL I truly believe that well and that's the

1:31:53difference between basketball and football because in basketball you're all basically one unit and you have a starter is in the bench yeah football you have the offense and the defense and if you have an awesome defense and your QB is just letting you down over and over again it's it's almost like like when Matt Maloney couldn't hit a three-point shot in the playoffs for you guys and it's like that's one guy but this is like an entire unit that's just sub-marining you you just don't have to turn the ball over you don't have to play great right drive the car yeah you just keep us keep us on the highway and so and that's the thing it's hard to play sports on the pressure is he gonna just let it fly or be tentative that's the hardest thing about sports that people don't realize it's hard to play sports on the pressure like if we once he told this first interceptor how's he gonna react right so that's what but that's what makes sports intriguing that's why we watch well and then the quarterbacks just in general this year we have

1:32:57Lamar is at a really interesting point in his career um you have Nick who I think has the team that at least is like a top 16 potentially if he's good enough you have Jaylen her Jaylen Hertz who you haven't even mentioned yet with a huge spotlight on him now with another offensive coordinator no AJ Brown making a lot of money out at Eagles fans what what are the where are the Eagles fans staying with Jaylen Hertz these days this is gonna be a big year for him this is gonna be a big year uh this is gonna be a big year because you know they took the noise out the room yeah okay because they took this to other guy so we got rid of the other guy now okay is on you uh and and this and that's the way this thing works we have if they picked the guy they said okay this this relationship is not tangible and they're like we're gonna take you and that's just the way this bounces is it's all on Jaylen now yeah the rams thing is interesting because comparing it

1:34:00to basketball when you have heavy favorites in basketball like San Antonio no coma city you can't even bet on them to make the playoffs they've made the odds so high it's like literally impossible to bet on it because you know like whatever happens they're gonna have the infrastructure to be good and in football you know the rams as good as they're like top seven or eight are and as great as their coaches it's still football and you lose two of those guys and you have a top heavy team and all of a sudden that can tilt away so anytime I ever see somebody that's a prohibitive favorite I just don't I'm not buying it I don't think anybody should be a prohibitive favorite well you know this and you have to go guys on television and radio I have to pick somebody and they go pick the prettiest girl you know can Matt can Matt Stafford stay healthy you know he stayed healthy and won the MVP but you know he's up there and eight so it's you know they took the kids something from Alabama he's not there and play other rookie right so but that's what being

1:35:01that's what makes sports amazing like sports like in real time like you get to be high low mad said excited we do all this stuff in real time that's that's why I want to season first off bill it is such it's such a real joy over cities over people like it's beautiful to watch all right so it sounds like so I have a Houston and Seattle in the Super Bowl and I have Seattle winning back to back your Super Bowl pick is what don't do defense is it you pick the final score going to be 17 14 that's my man that's going to be a slumber knocker I'm I'm going to I'm going for Josh out I'm going to go Buffalo Beals against Seattle and the Buffalo Beals are going to win a Super Bowl over Seattle 2117 wow so you're saying they finally get off the hump

1:36:06Josh Allen gets off the shit list Buffalo as a city gets off the shit list just like a shit list cleansing and it's going to be one of the great days in this forest my man Jim Kelly, Thurmond Thomas, Bruce Smith, Darryl Talley, I forget what Steve's name is the point retarded the great cricket retarded Oh Steve Lasker forget his name Who is it Steve Taster? Yeah Steve Taster yeah Yeah I love those guys I became a Beals fan because the Cornage men and Jim Kelly and Darryl Thomas and those guys and Bruce Smith so I want them to get off the list because just the same way I saw you see the excitement on those nicks players Patrick, Larry Johnson, John Starks and all those guys. Okay I would love to see those guys be on the parade with the Buffalo Beals got a new stadium and everything. Yeah they're really now that the nicks have won the title I would say is it the sons that would be the most euphoric fan base

1:37:11if they won the title they haven't they haven't since 1970 they've had a team and they've great fans. We're not going to win the championship that should be sale brother stop that bill. I'll say I'm down the road not this year. Well how about my sisters that'd be great too. Hey you won an 83. I guess that was a long time ago. I asked my Lennium. Sun's never won. I know thanks for reminding me. Well it's true. But now it was great for New York I said it was exciting but man that's the beauty of sports. Do you start from you start from the bottom every year and whatever happened it plays out in real time. Real time. So would you would you expand if you were the NBA or would you just move Brooklyn and the Clippers to two different cities and stay at 30. Well we need a team in Seattle. Yeah no kidding. Yeah. There's the other has the best fan base in pro sports probably.

1:38:14That was one of the worst decisions they made moving that team out of Seattle. I always always feel bad about screwing a fan base moving the team but the number one priority we need a team in Seattle period and I know they want to do Vegas. The number one priority would be Seattle they had a bench fan base in sports. We agree. Charles Barclay a pleasure as always we'll see who's right. We both have Seattle and the Super Bowl. You have Buffalo. I have Houston. I have Seattle winning. You have Buffalo winning. Great man. We'll see who wins. Thanks for having man. You're a good man. Continue success. Thanks for having me. You too. Always great to see you Charles. Thanks. All right that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Charles Barclay. Thanks to Eduardo Gahal as well from the ringer and I'm going to be back on Sunday. We're going to be live on Netflix. I think at seven o'clock ET means out doing Guestalayan's week one plus our NFL futures draft that we always love to do. Enjoy the weekend. I will see you on Sunday.

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