David Pagnotta: Canucks deadline direction. Are there deals we are going to be surprised by around the league?

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Face Off.

It's Mr. David Pinyota.

Hello.

Nice to see you.

How are you?

Good.

It's been a busy little bit, certainly, but things are starting to pick up even more.

We're in that period now where there's that little lull after a little bit of activity

and everybody jumping in on the rest and let's see how much that pick or when I should say

that picks up, be it later this evening or this afternoon or this evening or are they saving

it all for tomorrow?

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Heels like a simmer has started.

Not a boy.

A simmer has certainly started.

Sima Sima.

Okay.

David, you had mentioned there's some interest picking up.

He's had a marvelous season and another good game last night, Drew O'Connor.

What can you tell us there?

Yeah, certainly a player with another Uranus contract that has generated interest from

a number of different teams.

He doesn't have a huge cap it.

He does have limited no trade, but he's got a $2.5 million hit and for his capabilities

that's a pretty attractive piece to some of the contenders that are looking to shore

up their mid to bottom six, the third line especially.

But there are teams that are in that boat that want to do that that aren't looking and

kind of fishing around and you look at teams like the Buffalo Savers that couldn't pull

off the Paracodial.

They're looking in other areas to shore up their blue line, but they're also looking

for a depth piece.

You look at Utah, you look at Vegas making a move the other day to bring in some pieces

and then bringing in Nick Dowd today.

So they're probably and presumably out of the mix on that front, Colorado picking

up Nick Wah.

There was interest there, but now with Wah in that might take them a little bit out

of the mix.

But you look at some of the other teams, as I mentioned, that are looking to shore up

and add some depth and Drew O'Connor is certainly a player that's generating interest

on that front.

Does the extra year add to his value at this point or do you think pure rentals are

more the order of the day?

No, honestly, it's situational.

It's based on teams' cap situations and how they're kind of moving forward with some

of their game plans.

We know the preference for Dallas, for example, is to get guys on expiring deals, unless

it's a star level talent that has term attached to their contract, and they'll fish in that

pond for that particular asset.

But some other teams that have cap restraints to look at Tampa, Tampa's a team that's

looking right now, fishing as well, wouldn't surprise me if it's someone like that, somebody

like a Teddy Bluger.

We know there's interest in Scott Lotton out of Toronto, so they're looking for those

caliber players that are also in that $2 to $1 to $2 million range.

Lottons at 1.5, I believe Bluger is just under two, I'm just checking here, 1.8, and then

of course, O'Connor at 2.5.

So it kind of fits the mold for some of those teams that, you know, yeah, it's expiring

deals on some fronts, but also that extra term does provide some value.

Oh, for sure.

I mean, if you can't fit $2.5 million in where the cap is going, gosh, do you know what,

do you know what the ask is, David, on O'Connor, do you know what he could fetch in return?

My, based on what some of the talk is for some of the other players out there, I would

imagine a second round pick in another asset is probably in and around what the asking

prices on him.

I don't know that definitively, but just trying to gauge the market knowing what some of

the other players are, are commanding, he's probably in that range of a second plus for

him and primarily because there is that extra term, that there is that extra year on

his contract.

Bluger, for example, there are multitude of options, I was told going into just coming

on to the show, that there are multiple options available for the conucks with respect to

Bluger, but they're fielding things out.

The one thing I did also here with respect to Bluger specifically is that if the conucks

don't feel they get a good enough return for him.

They like the player.

If he's still around after Friday's deadline, don't be shocked if they start to have some

discussions of what a potential extension might look like on the front.

Nobody here disputes that at all, David, but we were sort of of a minor, I'm of the mind

at the very least.

Like, by all means, he is a, he's the kind of player the conucks would want on this roster

next year.

I get that a thousand percent.

But if by Friday at 11.45 AM, all you're getting is an offer for a fourth or a fifth

round pick, well, you might be disappointed in that.

I would still make that trade.

Do you think the conucks still make that trade or do they just have a bar that unless you

get, you cross it, we're not going to trade the player, even though these are UFA?

Yeah, it does seem like they have set a specific bar for some of their assets.

And if they don't hit it or come close to it, that they'll just hold on to these guys.

I'm with you.

I subscribe to that theory that if you're getting a lesser asset that you wanted, unless

it's astronomically different, you bite the bullet and make the move, collect the asset.

Their mentality seems to be a little bit different.

It does sound like they're probably to get in and around whatever the ballpark price

is for Bluger because there are legitimately multiple teams that are in the mix for him,

but we'll see how that trickles out over the course of the day and going into Friday,

because there's a lot of teams that are fishing for similar type of players.

Yeah, and help me out because we know it's not a direct comparison to Bluger in part

because there's term left in part because they're just better.

And in part because one's got a Stanley Cup ring.

But Nicholas Raw fetching a conditional first and a fifth and then Nick Dowd,

who former Vancouver Kanaku, really blossomed when he got to Washington, returning a prospect

as was the second and a third for him, that was pretty good work there by Washington

and by the Leafs in getting that sort of return on those players.

How did those prices come about?

It's a combination of what they're, and we're going to notice this and see this a little bit more.

It's a combo of what they do on the ice and what they do off the ice.

For some of these guys coming into certain competitive environments,

you want to make sure you're bringing in a player that A checks a certain box,

but at the same, in terms of style and talent, but at the same time,

it almost has to be a seamless transition coming into a room.

And both of those guys are glue type of players.

Nick Wah was a tangible piece of, in Vegas, didn't really work out in Toronto.

So they move out and got, as you said, a pretty good return, a very good return.

At the same time, Nick Dowd, there was a lot of disappointment this morning

when, you know, I put it out that he was being traded.

A lot of people that I talked to in that organization were a little bit disappointed

and upset that they were going in A this direction,

but also it had just happened to be Nick Dowd.

Him and his wife were so integral within that community that there are a lot of sad faces

and a lot of sad bodies out there with respect to him being moved out of DC.

But that just shows you what type of player is going to Vegas

and what type of player at the same time is going to Colorado.

So as much as you're paying again for the talent on the ice,

you also have to make sure that whoever you bring in,

and both of these guys have term, you want to bring in somebody

that's going to almost seamlessly just naturally gel with the rest of your group.

Those checkboxes on that front.

And I do suspect guys like Bluger, guys like O'Connor fit that mold as well.

And that's why you may, and that's also, excuse me, why the connox

have probably set a pretty solid bar here for some of their assets

based on the type of people they are and the price tags that are being paid right now.

Colton Perrico kills a trade with his no-move clause.

And that is his prerogative.

That's why it's there.

The connox players, either that have the no-move clause or about to have no-move clause,

don't seem as fussy about being, you know,

adhering to those new no-trade clauses.

The players with Excel made Bessars going to Buffalo, Bessars would go about Buffalo.

We'll see.

But you tell those players with extended extended term as we get to the tougher traits.

Are you still well below 50% chance of any of those happening for the Vancouver connox?

I mean, they're trying.

You know, I think, I think, the name totally blind,

Conner Garlandlin, excuse me.

I think he's somebody that is aggressively out there,

that the connox are trying to make happen.

They may not at the end of the day because of that contract.

And I'm sure there's a pretty decent price to it.

There have been teams that have checked in,

most notably the Islanders in Boston.

I don't think it's a fit on either of those fronts at this stage.

And, but there are other teams that are kind of in that mix that do have interest in the player.

And seem to be comfortable overall with the contract.

It's just a matter of how do you make the asset acquisition cost work.

And that's what they're clearly doing.

He doesn't have say now because there's no trade doesn't kick in until July 1.

Jake DeBrusque, bit of a different story.

You know, we talked about this last week.

Heather is a willingness from his side to accept the trade out of Vancouver.

He amplified that on Monday with his comments,

effectively saying, yeah, I waved to get out of this environment.

I think both certainly available.

I think we all know that.

I think Garland might be a little further along than DeBrusque.

But again, it's all going to depend on what type of assets are brought back.

And the connox, again, trying to maximize that.

Jersey and Washington were mentioned on Conner Garland by somebody.

I forget now have you heard those two tied and does that make sense

based on what you know the capitals and devils are looking for here?

I've heard a little bit of New Jersey.

I haven't heard too much on the caps and it's not to say it's not not possible

because it does fit what they're both looking for.

So yes, Washington moved out doubt.

And yes, they're listening on a couple of other of their players.

But they're also looking to bring in somebody with term that fits that group

that they can grow with and next season and beyond.

So in terms of contractual status and what they bring to the table,

that certainly makes sense.

And I wouldn't be shocked if the caps go in that direction.

New Jersey, it's no secret.

They're looking for somebody to play on the right side with Jack Hughes.

And obviously familiarity there with his brother.

And that could potentially be a fit because, again, they're looking for someone

that you've got Brad on one side, you've got Jack up the middle.

They're looking for somebody on that on that right side to help with the offense.

It hasn't worked out for them on paper by any stretch, especially on the ice as well.

They want a goal score more than anything.

So Garland, not necessarily a prototypical pure goal score, but it does check off a box

in terms of the devil's looking to add an offensive winger ahead of the deadline.

So both make sense.

And like I said, I think New Jersey has checked in.

I just don't know how far along either of those may be.

How hefty is the price on damage there in New Jersey?

Is the Garland for damage principle trade make any sense to you from what you understand?

From Vancouver side, run with that.

From New Jersey side, I don't think so.

I think if they are going to either move damage or combo damage, it's going to be for a legit,

you know, first line caliber player without hesitation of any regard in there.

Makes sense.

The other thing, David, is Connor Garland has not scored a goal in 23 games.

How much is that hurting his value based on what

you know?

Well, I don't think it's, I mean, I don't think it's detrimental.

I think people are obviously cognizant of the fact, but, but not detrimental in the sense

that, um, look, what's gone right in Vancouver this season, right?

I think everybody understands that.

I think everybody knows that for the most part, a lot of guys have struggled this season

because it's been a collective struggle.

And it's not to say they're getting a full mulligan, um, but there is a little bit of an

understanding that, okay, look, it's been an off year.

But, you know, it's not a one off.

It's not just you.

It's a variety of players.

And there's a reason why you guys, um, are at the bottom of the standing.

So I think, I think everyone understands that the players that guys like Garland, guys

like the brusque are and are capable of, uh, and the output that they're capable of

doing, uh, and producing, um, but everybody is, like I said, aware of the fact that Vancouver's

season has been, uh, I don't know what, let's go with rough.

David, uh, they replaced all the, the seats in the arena.

So that went right.

It, it took two and a half years, but they finally replaced all the seats.

So there's your high watermark for how the season has gone so far.

We have not mentioned the name of Andrew Kane, have we?

He was my next question, as a matter of fact.

Do you remember of Andrew Kane, David, uh, does the rest of the league, uh, I mean, he

was, he, he may have been acquired to be flipped.

And is that going to arrive?

Yeah.

You took my joke effectively.

I, I heard of him.

I don't know if anybody else has, uh, lately, um, it's been quiet on that front.

Um, the, the connoxor willing to retain half, uh, of his contract.

I think we all know that by this point, um, it's been, it's been fairly quiet.

Although, and I mentioned this, uh, last week that he is a plan, you know, C and D for

a lot of teams.

So this may be a last minute type of scenario where if some clubs that are looking to

add, you know, a, a physical offensive type of player for a playoff run, if they strike

out on, you know, A, B and C, uh, they could circle back to Vancouver and say, if you're

taking half, we'll give you this.

Let's make it happen.

But that's based on that.

I suspect that's going to be something closer to deadline time itself, uh, if it does

work out unless a team strikes on on everybody now and knows that that's the only option.

But again, because he's presumably, uh, the fourth option for a lot of teams and on, uh,

that if it does happen, it's, it's a last minute type deal.

And because he's that last retention slot, the, right, you can't, they, they've got to

be careful about where that goes in terms of another trade, too, right?

Well, and, and the way to weigh that is, look, if you're going to get a third round

pick or a, or a fifth round pick or something like that, whatever it is for, for a vander

cane, um, is it worth grabbing, let's say that fifth at the last minute or, and, and then

paying half of his salary, or does it make sense to retain on somebody else to make

a deal a little bit more attractive for a drill conner, for example, if you're eating

on his 2.5 for this year and next, just like they did with, um, with Tyler Myers, if you

get a high draft pick as part of that, you know, that juice might be worth the squeeze

versus just saving that spot for, for a vander.

Lastly, for me, David, I don't mean to, uh, push you on the spot here, but I'm sure you

have heard all sorts of things here of late.

Give me a stunner.

Give me something we could see here in the next 23 hours that would knock, uh, socks

up.

Whether it's a team, whether it's a player who hasn't been all that prominent in trade

talk, whether it's, uh, a three way, uh, trade to facilitate, uh, give me something between

now and next.

And tomorrow noon, Pacific time that you think, uh, has even a snowballs chance.

Oh boy, okay, this is where I get radioed, um, let's, let's see, let's see.

Well, okay, here, I got, uh, I'll get one that I wouldn't be shocked at this point.

I would have been a little bit surprised, uh, about a week ago, if, if this were to happen,

not so much anymore, and if it doesn't happen now, I suspect it'll happen at some point

in the off season, Morgan Riley in Toronto.

The Leafs are listening on a variety of guys.

I think his name, or I know his name has popped up a little bit more recently, uh, recently

being this week in the last few days.

Um, so maybe it's not fully at a left field, but I, I wouldn't be surprised if we see

something hover around Morgan Riley, uh, and, and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I think there's some discussion points there that are worth expanding.

And, uh, David, you would have no idea of knowing this, but, uh, one of our most loyal

audience members for 15 years is Andy Riley of West Vancouver, father of Morgan.

Oh boy.

Well, I'll be sure to break into him.

Um, in fact, I can attach to the Leafs trying to get assets back, or do they want the

cap space?

What's the biggest, what's the MO there for them?

Uh, a combination.

Um, yeah.

So, yeah, maybe gives your son a call, uh, but, uh, that, um, uh, I, I think it's, I

think it's a combo.

I think they, they, they under, uh, excuse me, have an understanding that they've got

to make some, some pretty decent adjustments and changes to their roster.

And I, I think that you're probably not going to get market value right now, but I do

think if you can bring back a, a, a solid asset or a combo, uh, depending on what they're

looking for and free up a little bit of money moving forward, then I, I think that would

work for the, for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

That being said, the guy like Morgan Riley at 7.5 million, as a number two defenseman

on a contending team, uh, or a team that's on the cusp of that, uh, looks pretty good.

So I would look at teams like San Jose and Anaheim if we do go west, uh, as potential

suitors for a guy like that.

So I would throw him in the mix as one of those, whoa, did this really happen type of moves?

Um, and then two teams, I'm also very curious, but I think Utah is itching to do something,

um, in addition to bringing in weager, they're, they're itching to do, to doing something

up front, um, whether they've re, well, I think they've reengaged with Thomas, but whether

that's, um, provided a little bit of traction at this point, I'm not sure, uh, but I'm looking

at them and I'm looking at Seattle, another team, very desperate to make a big splash for

a star talent and a first-line caliber guy.

I suspect that that's, you know, well, it is something they want to do.

It wouldn't shock me if either of those two teams won, making a second big splash and

Seattle making a big one as well.

So I thought Thomas is, Thomas is perfect for Utah, isn't it?

Because he's young enough that he's, Thomas is perfect for everywhere.

But in terms of the cost and the ability to pay, Utah's got to cover this full.

And if he's not so old that he doesn't grow with the core that he's got, um, to me,

that's a Montreal two.

They're having the same conversation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, uh, well, exactly.

And I think the Habs are in a different predicament because they don't feel they're there

just yet.

Like, they don't feel like we're going to get Robert Thomas and we're going to be a legitimate

Stanley Cup favorite moving forward.

They're two years behind Utah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think from that regard.

Now, the thing on Utah, because they're covered is so deep, um, I believe the primary

target for St. Louis is, uh, Caleb or Caleb, excuse me, didn't weigh a, who was drafted

fourth overall last, uh, last draft.

Um, I was told it's him a first round pick and another first round equivalent asset in

terms of the ask, uh, from St. Louis.

Uh, I was told they're not moving.

Again, look, they're not moving, uh, uh, semi chef, um, but then YA seems to be someone

they, for whatever reason, I suppose the other two are comfortable with in this regard

because of the player, but how much more they're willing to add.

That's clearly what those two teams are discussing.

All right.

The good news is, uh, doesn't appear like Andy Riley's watching live or I would have

heard from him.

I'll make it.

No, it's all telling me.

He's a good guy.

He's not causing trouble.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, Andy is the most I think Gregorius happy guy.

As we just know, uh, Perico Morgan wants to come home and babysit the kids for a little bit

because, uh, the Leafs went off the contract.

I can think of.

He's got a new move.

He's like, he gets to call the shots full say absolutely full say, David, I know you've

been chalk a block.

Can't thank you enough for this, my friend.

Thank you.

Have a great, uh, a promote tomorrow.

Yeah.

Tell them all about what you got coming up tomorrow.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Certainly on, on, uh, DFO, we've got, uh, the full trade deadline coverage here starting

at 11 Eastern going all the way through, I think it's 3 30 or 4 PM Eastern, uh, here

in studio.

I'll be sitting right here, uh, whenever trades kind of go down.

So hopefully, uh, I'm more than anyone really looking forward to activity tomorrow.

Uh, so I'll be doing that.

And then we've got Carter Hutton, uh, Jeff Merrick hosting the main desk with Hutz, um,

and Wojtek Wolski jumping on as well, former NHLer, uh, and then bouncing around Irfan

Gafar in Vancouver, Tyler over in Edmonton, uh, few ad, uh, Johnny Laz and, and Colby Cohen

as well in New York.

Uh, so we're going all over the place here providing additional coverage.

Sounds great.

Awesome stuff, David.

Thanks for the time.

You got it.

See you boys.

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