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Ike, Spike and Fritz — ESP Debates Eagles Super Bowl Hopes and NFC Rivalries. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.
It is the WIP after Newshow at Ike's bike and we wait on Fritz. It's Tuesday at 3 o'clock and kind of a bitter sweet appearance for Elliott Shore Parks. Sweet because the Eagle Star play on Sunnets. Yes, bitter because the preseason and training camp. It's all over that's Elliott season. It is how much How much headway do you think you made an Eagles insider of the year because this is normally where you shine? I mean, I obviously thought I had a good month. You know, I feel like the joint practices. I feel like they're the new training camp stats like you see it around the league win loss record studies being done on it's really awesome to see you know Just see this continued coverage. Yeah Ryan Pagnetti of the Eagles. You see this he did a study on all the On which team outplayed another in joint practices for the last 20 years in teams that won the joint practice Overachieve their expected win loss record. I think it was 20% of the time. So how does he have the data on Which team outplayed the other team? So I think he just went and read practice notes. Okay, so there was no declared winner loser
That's my thing, but it is but he saw in the teams that lost it under achieved their expected win loss by I think it was quite a bit as well So that was cool to see obviously all the interceptions was a big story. I didn't throw them. I just reported on them So that's a good point. Yeah, so the the question is and I will pose this to Ike not you Elliott I'm posing it to Ike. Yeah, I think Jalen's Elliott short whatever his name has you know during the interview I think you could paint that as a point for Elliott in the inside of the year because he only named two people Which I've a clean and Elliott or you could paint it as against Elliott because he got the name wrong and didn't know the parks and Got the short wrong as well if we're Well debatable. Well, I mean, you know, it's a non-seagull He said sure I said sure I was asking I kind of moved on So Ike is this and well and we're never moved. Well, I mean Jalen moved on it was like I like sure Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Ike is this a point for Elliott or a point against Elliott well
Now it's hard to actually declare which which side of the legend you should follow on with this right because I don't really know But here's what I do know I Came away from that whole little ordeal with Jalen and to sit down a GQ and that mentioning Jeff and Elliott has a Win for Elliott. Okay, I think without question. That's the general sense. I came away from him with he named two reporters He said if I wanted to talk football I would have talked to Jeff McLean or Elliott short whenever his name is right now he obviously knows who he is Yeah, he just probably have never tried to pronounce his name or remember his name. He just knows it's that's Elliott short So I wonder if he knows me as ESP ESP people say that a lot don't think he knows you as yes I wouldn't rule it out I would know you know the Elliott right now when I would say for you know the inside of the year things like is if he named Another reporter that wasn't me. I think you would without question be like
Yeah, so yeah, so I think the fact he named me should go point my Yeah, yeah, and and I think it should be noted that Elliott the two people that Elliott named were Tim and Zack So it's clear that he sees those guys Only two got named but yeah They're all great. So Elliott what is more likely this year the Eagles miss the playoffs or go to the Super Bowl man It's a great question And I do think and like all my years covering this team like this specific iteration of it It's probably the biggest variance of what could happen you think about after 2022 we expect them to go to the Super Bowl 23 they went in 24 25 they're coming off winning it So I think if I had to say which is more likely baked into the question is I think taking for granted how easy it is to make the playoffs I think it's really hard to make the playoffs to make it five straight years in the NFL is extremely difficult I was looking it up on the on the way in here I think only 11 teams in NFL history have made it six consecutive years, which is what they're trying to do
So it is very very hard to do so I do think there is logic in saying missing the playoffs when I watch this team in training camp I didn't see a super bowl team. I saw like a borderline playoff team because of how the offense looked But well then that should be your answer But They've never missed the playoffs and when you have an elite head coach quarterback duo I think the answer is the playoffs So I think it'll be harder to make the playoffs than people are giving a credit for I think Dallas is really good I think winning the division will be really hard you look at the NFC North you could see three playoff teams out of there You could see three playoff teams out of the West, but I would be very surprised if the Eagles aren't in the playoffs like that's all I mean quite literally all they do is win like they you know double digit wins playoff birth So I think it's much harder than people are giving it credit for I think it's a really good question But I would say they will make the playoffs. No, no just to clear Well, no, you're right you're reframing the question just like everybody else is that's not what I asked you You're right. I didn't ask you what's more likely they missed the playoffs or they make the playoffs
I asked you what's more likely they missed the playoffs or they go to the Super Bowl and those are different questions Right because three out of it. Yes all Jalen and Nick do or win But most of the time they've lost in the first round three out of five years. That's not go to the first year kind of doesn't count But yes, but it is I know but it's the first year like it was a successful year Sure, but I think 2325 you could argue we're not 23 certainly so half the time they lose in the first round Yeah, if you don't count the other half they go to the Super Bowl. Yes, so So I guess if you told me you watched them and you didn't see a Super Bowl team and you think The Cowboys are going to be really good and you think you saw a borderline playoff team How is it not more likely that they missed the that they missed the playoffs rather than go to the Because I just think the chances they actually missed the playoffs are so slim like once they get in I think first of all They beat the Rams all the time so I think if they play the Rams into playoffs, they will beat the Rams right but I think Chicago would be a really tough game for this team. I think Seattle could be pretty tough We'll see how they do it the Super Bowl hangover
I like the Lions I think are very underrated this year the Lions were really good for a few years in row kind of fell off last year That being said, I think it's more likely they put together a playoff run than when the playoffs time when the playoffs start They're sitting at home. I just I know it's really hard to make the playoffs by his canvass in vision a world where that happens He said the same thing about the chiefs Before last year right now for what it's worth my homes towards ACL They wouldn't have made the play they wouldn't but I'm saying they were not I don't think they were eliminated at that time They weren't but they wouldn't have made the playoffs maybe in the last year or no They definitely wouldn't I mean I'm pretty sure they'd a losing record when yeah, it was gonna be hard. Yeah, yeah Sorry, but I'm just gonna say I'm looking at the NFC and I think We sometimes judge the Eagles a little more critical because we see them all the time I'm not there and I get it like we're locked in on the backup same Yes, yeah, but I think there are holes for all those teams you trying to tell me The Green Bay Packers don't have questions sure they do yeah, the Lions don't have questions about their team
They finished 98 last year Ben Johnson is gone. I don't know how good they'll be this this this upcoming season Minnesota San Francisco has questions Seattle has to repeat Right I'm I'm thinking about any NFC South just forget about them Yes, yes, Saints Falcons And then let me get to these cowboys if we keep talking about yeah because they look good on all fits as they usually do When they're either blowing out a bad team or they're scoring latent gains where they've been blown out right they they they put up the office enough And I said they can't score when they need to and they damn sure can't stop anybody They got Christian Parker for the first year. We'll see how well that turns out for them What I'm saying is I look at the Eagles and I look at Their questions versus what do we know about the Eagles to be true? They have a lot more questions answered already than those other teams have not to mention the winning aspect of it
Seattle is a paper champion They're paper champion. I thought there were frauds all last year. You guys are a paper champion Here's why I really don't think I can tell you their paper champion spike No, no, it's not disrespectful because you don't believe in the Eagles For the same reason Seattle is good They got one receiver their defense is great their quarterback is me They don't even have the running back that they had last year and the other running back towards ACL But you'll believe in Seattle Why well hold on the Division hold on two things one There's a difference between to an extent believing in Seattle this year and their ability to repeat Yeah, I'm okay. That's what we're talking about but also calling them a paper champion that For champions he it was first in defense and The two Eagles teams that won super balls I think it would stack up fine No, that's he that Seattle defense was better than either of the defenses
We saw the ball. Yes, and Less let's be clear the 2024 Eagles defense was pretty damn good. Yes, but not as good as last year's last year It was pretty all I'm saying is it was pretty damn good And Seattle's all hold on and the defense is weren't separated by mouths You may be talking about separated by a couple of feet But Seattle's defense wasn't light head and shoulders above that Eagles defense. I'm not buying that I'm not buying it and Eagles got better talent and Well, look at the Seattle's offense. They got a wide receiver and nothing else and still they managed to be third and point That was last year. I'm talking about this year Don't yes, but but if we're if we're like why why are they going to be any worse? You know, I could look Don't last year one last year. They won last year when no one expected them to win now They are expected to win and I'm wondering how many people actually believe that see I don't doesn't look isn't a jugger not ten because nobody believes in Sam Donnellt as the quarterback
They don't fear Sam Donnellt as a quarterback. They just don't nobody fears our quarterback I know no, but you miss an appointment. I'm saying the point that I'm saying is the credit that you give them you don't give to the Eagles They deserve just as much benefit out of doubt if not more If you look at more if you look at their track that's why I say if not more if not more Well, but the Eagles have more questions this year than the Seahawks do I think I think it's a legitimate argument that the Eagles defense is just as good. Oh, no, just as good as Seattle's Seattle lost a few players on defense I watch Seattle's defense that's last year. I'm talking about this year's defense bike. We added new players to our defense Yes, we added one defense of in a corner yet defensive end who by the way has not played yet and the we also lost Running or a linebacker who I hope trot is as good, but we lost a linebacker I love the Kobe didn't you play half a season? Well, Jihad Campbell will be in there. They played half a season
I mean, I think when it comes to the Eagles right like what are the questions because after watching them in training camp I feel really good about the defense. I think whether they can run the ball is a fair question I feel good about the answer to that which running game do you feel better about Seattle's or Eagles? I mean, I would say the Eagles because I think this can't even name Seattle's running Well, I said rookie this is Notre Dame this whole offensive change is about running the ball Yeah, I think we view this through the Jalen lens, but it's really about they did this because they are gonna do whatever it takes to run the ball this year Yes, but but you understand that Seattle's ability to pass the ball helps them be a better running game So I think the one question with the Eagles is are they able to pass the ball? I think that is question Well, but I'm just saying if you look at Seattle There's a question of how do they handle success? How will they come back? Like there is a running game going to be as good can Sam Darnal do it two years on a row? Like there are questions about them and they won last year despite Inspired Sam Darnal leading the league in turnovers. Yes, which is unlikely, which is hard to do. Yes, but also I wouldn't bet on Sam Darnal leading the league in turnovers again
I don't know how many intercepts you had in the total ball enough you will in 2024 I mean you're asking to throw the ball enough you will either 14 interceptions last year, which is not it's not like you through 25 interceptions. No 14 is not nothing. I mean when Jalen through 14 to 13 to 2023 They like had to completely change how they played the game. Well, yes because they weren't great at scoring points Which Seattle was last year. Well, they've been fair. The Eagles have been great at scoring points every year besides They haven't been great. I mean, I think if you're top eight you're definitely oh it's amazing how you found the eight Well, because they were eight in 2024 So I know you're gonna say well they were eighth and points in 2024 But in 2024 we watched the offense. They were very good offense. They were great. I think they were they said frit They said NFL record for rushing your identities and how is that not great? Well, that's part of offense. Yes The passing the passing game wasn't great, but overall if I told you a team set an NFL record for rushing your Identity season. I think we would all agree that is a great offense. No, I don't think we were because we because it's not the whole offense They were eighth and points and their passing game was 29. They had a grip But they said well they had no though they had a great offense because they said it on this
I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm just like I get your point But I'm just saying that in 2024 they there were very few times they needed to score and I know you hate the expression But very few times where they needed to score and they were unable to after the first month of the season like they they ran through teams And that's part of the reason they only averaged the we would we would not afford that to the defense if this team was winning 3532 every game or 3730 we would not be going defense again good enough to win We would all be talking about how if the defense was good enough the defense was giving up 27 or more points I would agree or not good enough to win but don't win it All right, but how about how about if the defense was eighth and the legan points allowed yes They would be a good defense not a great defense. I think it's a great offense when you said an NFL record for something It's hard for me to say if you're the best purse the best team to ever do it in the history of the league that that's not great I don't know if the if the team if the team led the league in sacks Yeah, it's a they had a great defense on what if they were the 10th in the league in points allowed but they set the NFL record for sacks
Yes, I would argue that is a great defense. I would not Well, why we disagree? So why you scared of the cowboys because I listened to your season Yeah, I think the cowboys are gonna be really really good the reason I ultimately picked the Eagles over the cowboys is because I think the cowboys Are way more reliant on DAC and if he goes down like they're in big trouble But I think the cowboys might have the best offense in the NFL you look at what they did last year They're top five and almost every important offensive metric. They're returning all 11 starters They're returning the same coordinator same head coach George Pickens contract seems like it's not a problem I thought that might be a distraction doesn't seem like it's gonna be I think their defense it's fair to be skeptical. I think they'll like you could a great scenario for them We'll probably be like 20th 18th something like that But they were so bad last year if they can just get to even regular bad I think Dallas could win 11 or 12 games and when you look at the Eagles like I think Eagles win the division But I have the Eagles at 11 wins and I ultimately went cowboys at 10 because a we'll see if DAC can stay healthy B I don't trust them to win big games and they do have a lot of big games on the schedule
So I went with the Eagles, but I think the cowboys are right there like I think it's 51 49 The I would say 58 42 That's me I'd say 51 the The jump in defense. Yeah Clearly they don't have the personnel that we had in 24 when we have the jump in defense But Christian Parker's good at it and that they have they do have players Which we don't know if Christian Parker's gonna be good at it by the way. Yeah, just like we don't know Sean Mania right now I think with the difference with the cowboys Like if you look at it as I think the Cowboys offense in the Eagles defense might be the two best units in the conference You can make an argument for the Rams certainly being best offense or best defense But I think the Cowboys offense was better last year and the Eagles defense was better than the Rams defense last year So I look at those two units as the best two certainly in the division But I think in the conference as well then it comes down to okay Well, what do I trust more the Eagles offense or the Cowboys defense? And I think with the Cowboys defense the ceiling could be higher potentially because they have so many new players Caleb Downs Malachite Lawrence
I really like them in the draft. They have both of them They went out and added a bunch of new players if you look I think a top five in snaps last year three or four Those guys are gone like they completely just changed over their defense But I think another hard part of that is you have a rookie coordinator You have like I don't know eight new starters. You got to put it all on the same page Whereas with the Eagles offense I think they have two like sure things and Nick and Jalen and now when I say Jalen is a short thing Does that mean he's gonna throw 30 touchdowns? No, I'm just saying I know what I'm gonna get from Jalen this year Which is he's gonna take care of the ball and he knows how to win games And I think Nick also knows how to win games when I look at the Cowboys defense. I don't see any short things Yeah, I mean listen the Cowboys may put up points. They always put up points But one thing I never worry about is the Cowboys in the postseason. I just don't Yeah, but the tough thing about that is like the Eagles have to win the division first So I split they'll split in this regular Would you take a split with the Cowboys right now? Yeah, yeah, I think I would too. Yeah, of course. I would yeah I think it's more likely they lose both the doubt. I just want to be clear. I have placed a
Futures MVP bet on deck press guy. I just want to have a good year. I really do. Yeah We all should that that will assure us he won't win Well, I did place one on Jalen last year But I think with the Eagles I mean, I do think it generally it really does come down to in a big game Who do you think's more likely to win a big game? Yes, and I do think it's the Eagles They have a longer track record of doing that like who do I think the like the Cowboys this year? They have to go to Tampa Bay. Do I think they can go to Tampa and win? I don't know They have to go to Green Bay. Can they go to Green Bay and we don't think the Cowboys can go to Tampa and win you just said I don't really see you you set hold on they got to have at home Yeah, my bad never mind and you just said extract this from the records. You just move on Like you don't even think about in terms of the play. I just think that I think that I think Dallas is really good at home and questionable on the road Okay, I think they're at different team at home So I think any road game for them against a borderline playoff team is tougher than it is for other teams 215 59294 94 coming up next we do have another quarterback list that came out
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