Kardashian Secrets & Royal Rumors with Martyn Lawrence Bullard

0:00Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go. Juice is scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales. Her real life, Mr. St.Van Cereal Data and Cereal System You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tab Lloyd Real LifePod can. Listen in, listen up. Heather McDonald. Juice is scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicey Scoop. I have a great show for you today. A great interview. A dear friend of mine. You will recognize his voice, his face, his style, and his interior design from famous people's homes to hotels to all around the world. Martin Balard. Martin Lawrence Balard. A great interior designer, a TV host, reality star. All those things.

1:00Dog Dad. Yes, most importantly, the dog dad. Yes, yes. Palm Springs Toast of the Town. Thank you. I'm so glad we finally did this. We've been friends for so long. I love this intro. You need to be my new PR. Oh my god, I love it. You are the best. You are a great speaker. I love it. I do love it. I love it. I love it. I do love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Thank you for having me. I love it. I love it. was the first time there was a reality show with real decorators, with real decorating, with real people ever on TV. So it kind of really changed the format and the way people saw it.

2:02And I got to have, we had great people on there, I had like Sharon Osborne, people like Daisy Fuentes and Lindsay Lohan, and all these kind of interesting people that actually let me film with them. And so the public got to see this, not just the usual, you know, glue gun madness that you see on home decorating shows. This was real true decorating TV and all the dramas in the mix. Right. And I think, you know, in doing it, you have a very unique, like, bold style. But then you make it special for each person. But I feel like if someone's going to hire you, they're not going to get some bland restoration hardware kind of a look, even if that's the look that everybody's doing. And has it ever been hardware you have a client and it's like you just are not vibing with what they're asking for? Like how do you make that work?

3:02You know, the extraordinary thing in my career is that I've gotten to work with unbelievable people, incredible celebrities, you know, heads of state royalty. So everybody's got their own vibe, their own style, their own thing that they want. And for me, it's been the most important thing to kind of get into their heads and extract their decorative fantasies. Now, I've had one or two along the way. I had an Arabian prince once that wanted to gold leaf his garage. So when he drove his car in, he was in a golden glow. We're actually real gold. Which was so mad. And not the most tasteful experience. But then I've gotten to work with people like, you know, Sir Elton, John and David Furnish that have the most extraordinary homes, the most incredible art collections and our extraordinary people. Yeah. Share for instance, you know, when I first got to work for share, it's kind of mad. She said to me, babe, I want to decorate my house like like a, like a, I want to be a

4:06Buddhist behaving badly. That is a great, that was my bad sharing. I'll get free. I want to just be like a Buddhist behaving badly. I want you to walk in and be like, what is this? I'm comfortable and peaceful. You got it. Okay. It was crazy. But amazing. Imagine having somebody. That to her beach was at the Malibu house. Yeah, that was the Malibu. Imagine something saying that to you. It's so fun to have these mad things that you can come up with. Yes. And how does it work? Now, obviously your clients are very, you know, of a wealthy level. How do you talk budget with someone? What is that? I mean, is everybody like the sky is the limit or do they say, hey, I only want to spend, you know, 50,000 on this room. I want the majority to be in this room. And of course, it's different if you're pulling out a kitchen versus we're going to paint the walls, wallpaper and, you know, furnish it.

5:08Everybody has a budget at the end of the day. Even the richest people. I mean, I've got people with a worth 20 billion right now and they still have a budget. You know, they still, I'm not going to stop presenting million dollars, and they're liars. You know, they're going to freak out. So you've got to understand the value of money. And it's really important for me actually to give a service where people understand the value of it at the end of the day. Whether you budget is $200,000 or 20 million, you've got to make sure that it feels right and somebody is actually getting the right value out of it at the end of the day. And, you know, again, I create magic. I create lifestyle and we give people new lives because that's what your home can do to you. So it gives you a new sense of who you are. Yeah. And that is invaluable. But there are budgets. There are budgets. Sadly, sadly, this is the cover of Sunset Magazine. Yes. And this is you and your Palm Springs home.

6:08Yes. That I've been lucky enough to go many times for fabulous parties during modernism week because this is one of those. Is your home is one of, what do you say it? Like the historical? Yeah, it's a listed American landmark. OK. It's a great mid-century house. You know, as you know, the history of it was originally Roger Moore, who was one of the great James Bond's. And then it was Hugh Hefner's. So it was like the Playboy in the desert for a while. I'm obviously ahead to scrub that pool before I got in there. Actually, one of the great stories is I was having dinner with John Collins. I've been in the pool. You've been in that pool. I love the pool. I was having dinner with John Collins one night. And I said, well, I've just bought a house in Palm Springs. It was an insurance for me. Oh, darling, I remember swimming naked in that pool. That's amazing. That's divine. I love it. And you guys, you and your husband, partner, Michael, you've had this house for quite a

7:09while. And every time I go there, though, it feels like you still are doing a little something. How is your own house? You're done. You like, you did it. Now, every room looks great. Everything is perfect. How do you just go like we're good? Or when are you not good or how often you change it? There is never a finish. There is never at the finish line. There's always something new that I've seen that I love or a piece of art I want to change. Or you know, it's like all of us. Every day we're new people. Yeah. Right? You're back in the morning. You might feel completely different the way you did yesterday. So my interior is evolved. Plus I'm a complete spender, Holly, maniac. So I'm always out buying something with the other. I've got to work out where it's going to go and one of my houses. But again, I love it. I'm a collector. I really enjoy that. And it gives me great joy to keep decorating. When have you ever had something where they say, just do it.

8:11Just do it. Take this from. I love what you do. And they're not happy. Have you ever had a, like, I'm sure it wasn't all that, but have you ever had a time where someone just wasn't really that thrilled? I mean, I've had the odd thing where someone didn't like a song for us on the long way. But I think the craziest story is I did a TV show in England called Hollywood Me. Hollywood What? Hollywood Me. Okay. Where I picked up like a kind of a wonderful deserving person, like a police woman or something on the street. And I sent her to Hollywood for a makeover. And while she was in Hollywood, I redid their home. Oh, okay. I like it. And they came back and they didn't know this was going to happen. And they're all dolled up. You know, sort of had the hair done and the vagina steamed and all the Hollywood stuff. And I think it's only come home and they've got a whole new house. Well, I had this guy that was obsessed with some rap guy that he loved. And we sent him to Hollywood and he got to meet this, got Buster Rhymes.

9:13He got to meet Buster Rhymes. But his dream had always been to live in a castle. Now, he lived in a very small sort of two up, two down little house, a council house, according to England, which means they're sort of subsidized by the government. And so I went in and turned this little thing into a castle. Stone blocked the walls. I went to some local auction. I bought like a... I didn't know. It was plastic, but like a suit of armor. Yeah. And I mean, the whole thing, it was hilarious. When he came back, I was dressed as like a knight greeting him outside with my helmet and everything. Well, he walked in. Oh, my God, and he cried. He was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen. I can't believe it. Then the wife came. And then she really cried because she hated it. She was like, what is this? What's happening? It's my family home. She's like, I live in Legoland. I can't live in Legoland totally. I can see that. Oh, my God, it was so dreadful. It was all on camera. That's funny, because I've seen some of those ones where they on a budget, whatever,

10:16well, we do a family room. And it's rare, but sometimes they're not into it. And I'm just always wondering, like, oh my God, as the interior designer, like someone not loving it. When you look back at like a million dollar decorator, which was like, what, 17, 18 years ago? I think the first series was 14 years ago. OK. When, like, now when you look back at those designs or remember, are do they stand today or is it, does it look dated? It's interesting, actually. Sadly not, this Saturday, I just had dinner with Sharon Osborne. And Sharon was on my first episode. And I read it at apartment for her and Ozzy. They were moving into Sierra Towers, which is a tower block building in Hollywood, a famous one. Whilst they were redoing their big house, and they were going to be there for two years. And so we did it on the show. And Sharon said to me, oh my God, she said, you know, I loved that apartment. It was so cozy and comfortable, kind of now on my own, you know, I wish I had something

11:18like that again. So I looked at it. I went back and looked at it. I looked at it yesterday. It's first time I've seen that show in 10 years or something. And I have to say, it kind of stood the test of time. The furniture shapes weren't quite what I would do today. Yes. But it still felt right because it felt like them. It was a little rock and roll. It was, you know, there was the old sort of back chandelier hanging around for Ozzy. But yeah. So, but in German, I think decorating changes, you know, there are trends that happen every season. But people invent trends to make money. You know, like, like, like, you know, a shop, Creighton Barrel or William's Slammer, whatever it is, will say, this season it's turquoise, next season it's orange. So it's to keep you buying. Right. So the reality is, I don't believe in trends. I believe that you should decorate to what you love and how you like to live. And I truly believe that modern luxury, the most important thing is comfort. So as long as you feel comfortable, that's, that's, that's for the number one rule.

12:22So trends I don't go along with. I like to make the trends. I don't want to follow them. Yeah. I mean, I like a big white, I like white, light, bright, you know, kitchen that I like and it overlooks the backyard. And that's what I have now. And I know that I want to do more to it because when we came, when we bought it, it was redone, you know, with the beautiful white cabinets and, you know, classic, beautiful wood floors, white, everything was painted white. There was no furniture in it. And it's like, it's hard to like make the leap of going, well, do I do the dining room in the color drench, but then is that weird that the rest of the house is just white and bright and kind of classic? Like how do you, I believe that you should have continuity and a flow in, in areas that flow into each other. Right. So if it's open plan, which I think mostly is right from what I remember, really and truly,

13:24you need to have a palette that flows. But there's ways to introduce color art is really one of the most important ways. And art is very personal. Art is a real window into your own personality, which is why I love when I'm working with people that have art collections, it's so amazing because you get to understand who they are almost from the very beginning. So art is a great way to put personality in. And things like pillows, you know, pillows and throws, they're so inexpensive, you can buy a pillow for 50 bucks. It's a way to add color without making a big commitment. Yeah. So like in your all white living room, if you suddenly decide, you know what, how about trying a bit of navy blue, you know, buy a few navy blue pillows, get a navy booth, navy blue throw throw over the arm of the sofa, or there's even all these wonderful sites like rugable, you know, I designed in line of washable rugs, rugable, rugable rugs are like 500 bucks. They're amazing, they're indestructible. It's an inexpensive way to add some color into a space. Right. And if you hate it, you haven't, you know, you haven't blown you off.

14:26Yeah. I think that's great. Well, when you speak about art, how, what is your opinion of just having the TV change the art all the time? Does that just horrify you? Did you see the look on my first? Yes. I mean, listen, I love, in today's world, TV's a part of our lives. You and I both make careers on TV. It's like, you know, we love it. So it's a feature that you can't hide. It's part of everyday living. And so I love those art TVs where you syncopes of art on the TV and it sits there and it looks in the daytime like it's, you know, some beautiful painting or some gorgeous photo of a zebra or something. I think the ones that flash are very distracting and I don't think that's chic. Mm-hmm. I think if you're going to do it, stick to one image, you can change the image, but don't have it flashing. Right. You know what I mean? Keep it there for a while.

15:27Try and match it so you're interior. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. And then, so what would you say like to someone who is starting out as an interior design? Like what's your biggest tip to someone that's like doing it? How do they approach a client so that it's, we're all on the same page, you know, and they can kind of control the client or stick with it so they're not being, you know, run over. I think it's really, really important though. So the most important thing is that when you're dealing with a client, you are there to try and make, as I said earlier, their decorative fancies come true. So you want to get to know them, you want to understand what they love, what it is they want. I ask a bunch of questions. So I ask, you know, what do you like about your present house or present apartment? What do you dislike about it? What do you love in your best friend's house? What's your favorite restaurant? What's your favorite hotel to go to? All those things become like a little thread that you can put together and make a tapestry

16:31that becomes the image that is them. Now when I say what's your favorite restaurant, you know, they may say, oh, it's Spargo, watch your colonies or pizza hut, whatever it is, it might not be because of the food, it might be because of the lighting. Is the way it makes them feel, do they feel sexy in that dim light or do they love the color of that, of that booth that they sit in? So you can suddenly extract all these bits of information and each part is part of the jigsaw puzzle. And that's how you kind of get not only to understand them, it's how you get the confidence with them to trust you that when you're going to do your presentation, that actually represents them. Of course, it has to represent you too, because I've applied you for your taste, but it has to be part of them. And that's how you get a successful interior. This episode of Tuesday's scoop is sponsored by Warby Parker. I am obsessed with Warby Parker glasses. I absolutely love my sunglasses. They're so unique and so great, but it's not just that they actually make buying glasses

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20:38shipping on orders over $95 or use the store locator to find Willie's on shelves near you. Like your local total wine, specs, ABC or local liquor store. Yeah. Now let's go back a little bit to how you got started. Did you have a calling? Were you decorating homes at 5? How did this become a thing where you're like, this is my gift? I don't know if I was decorating homes at 5 but my mom said that she remembers that I used to take, do you remember cassettes that were in those little plastic things? One side was C through, one side was black. One side was I used to take all their cassettes out from their music system and line them up and make houses. And then I would take all the dolls furniture out of my sister's dolls house and put it in these houses when I was like four or something. They were crazy. But I didn't have any idea I was ever wanting to do design. I basically, I wanted to follow, my dad had been an actor and an opera singer when he

21:41was younger. I wanted to follow in those footsteps. I always loved that kind of theatrical energy. My dad had another idea. He thought it was a very bad idea. It was a very hard industry. It was a very hard thing to do. And they paid all the money for me to have this smart education. But by the age of 12, I convinced him every Saturday to rent me a store in a market called Greenwich Market in the south of London. And I would take my little bit of allowance money, whatever it was, $10 or something. And I'd run around first thing in the morning with a torch to other people's stalls and see what I thought was pretty. Maybe it was a cup and saucer, maybe it was some silver spoon, some of a bunch of junk, but pretty. I'd buy it. And then I'd put it on my own stall. And I'd wait for the sun to come up and the American tourists to come. And you had 12 doing this? I was 12. And then I'd spin them a story about, you know, all the clean just had a morning breakfast tea out of this cup. And of course, you know, and I'd set it a profit.

22:42And it was amazing. And people would be mesmerised by this, like, you know, kid selling this cup apparently had just been nicked out of Buckingham Palace. So it was wild. I mean, I'm still spinning those stories now, but it's for a bit more money. That is crazy. So I did that from 12 until I was 16. And by the time I was 16, I'd made enough money that I could pay my own wage, go to drama school. So that summer, I put myself through the summer course at Rad at the Royal Academy of Drycart, Traumatic Arts. And by the time I was 17, I ended up enrolling in the Least Trialsburg Theatre School in London. And I did that. All the time going to these markets and still buying and selling things, at this point, I'd kind of graduated to silver or jewelry things that were easy to carry. So I didn't have to have like big boxes. When I kept doing that, kept making money and supported myself through all of that. And I didn't realize, but that sort of precocious child that was there, you know, making money

23:48and having fun, it was really my education. Because I got to learn what period was, something, what was a silver mark, what was regency, what was Edwardian, what was Victorian. And I really got to learn how you put two objects together and make them look better. And that's what you do on a store when you're selling in a market. You put two things together and you make them prettier. And that's what you do in a house. You put things together to make a beautiful picture. And that was my education. It's been my only education to this job. Yeah. And so eventually, you know, I modeled for a little bit and I do all this stuff and commercials and things in England. And eventually, when that time was 21, I thought I'm going to Hollywood and Vista. And so, in your early 20s. 21. Okay. Moved to Hollywood. And I ended up doing another season at the Least Drizeburg. And then I hit the pavement. And of course, it wasn't easy.

24:51I worked on a coffee shop for a day until I blew them. Just cappuccino machine up because flirting with someone got fired immediately. Just, you know, the usual crazy stories. Right. Eventually, I got cast in a movie called I Work Up Early the Day Diab where I played Earth of Kids Boy Toy. I was like, her pianist. It was hilarious. Okay. And I befriended the producer on set. And at that point, I mean, I really had no money, but I'd rented this really crazy little house, like a little apartment that was behind Pavilion's Market in West Hollywood. Yes. And that used to be Charlie Chaplin's movie theatre, his movie, where you make movies. The little house that you were renting? No, no. We're Pavilion's Market. Oh, okay. The little house I was renting, he'd built as a dressing room for his star called Norma Talmage. It's on a street called Norma Place now.

25:53And Norma Talmage was a great silent movie star. Anyway, this was her dressing room. And so I rented this weird space, had really high ceilings and small little rooms because it had been a makeup room and a wardrobe room. And then later, I think in the like 50s or something, it had become the gambling den for Lucille Ball. Just to have all her girls go over then play cards. And it had been to Lula Bankheads, Lesbian Lovenest. My God. And then it had been Judy Garland's little tiny house when she split from Sid Laft, I think it was, and she had no money and she moved in there for a little bit. I didn't know that until Lorna laughed to her daughter, came one day to that little house to some barbecue thing I was having and recognized it. She had all my mum used to lean against that tree, had a tree growing through the middle of the house. And mum used to lean against that tree in sing. So this place had this crazy magic history.

26:53Oh my gosh, magic school. Magic school. Mad history. Anyway, this producer Victor Ginsberg, I told him about it and he was like, can I come see it sounds amazing. So he came with his then girlfriend, walked in and he was like, wow, this place is amazing. Who degraded this? And I was like, who degraded it? So it's all junk that I bought in the Rose Bowl flea market. I said, you know, I had no money. I just bought this weird thing together. He was like, well, I love it. I want you to come and decorate our offices, the Hollywood film works. I was like, my God, I was 22. I've never heard of anything like it before. I went. I basically started to decorate. Yeah, $30,000, which I thought was a vast amount of money. To decorate 5,000 square feet. Kind of hilarious. I buy lamps for these days for people. But I mean, I managed to do the whole thing. From the flea market, I put like, old Indian doors on the wall and beaten up club chairs from the flea market. And it was like a crazy, it was like, out of Africa, goes to India via the pasting the

27:58flea market. Yeah. But he loved it. Yeah. And I thought, my God, this is brilliant. He's going to put me in another movie. Well, literally the day it was finished, I got a phone call from a lady called Liz Heller. And she was like, I've just been to Hollywood film works. I love it. I was like, I'm going to go to my office. I mean, the capital building. I was like, the capital building. Is that the White House? You know, I had no idea what was going on. Turned out, she was the president of capital records. Her office was Frank Sinatra's old office. I went over there. We clicked immediately. And I, of course, in my crazy 22-year-old brain thought, oh, my God, I can sing. Maybe I'll decorate and I'll be singing songs while I'm doing it. And she'll give me a recording contract. And I'll be a pop star. Well, anyway, turned out to end up doing her office, doing her house. Her wedding, she sat next to Cheryl Teagues, who was the world's first ever supermodel. By the end of the wedding, Cheryl hired me.

29:00Nine months later, we were on the cover of six magazines around the world, and my career was born. By the time I was 24, I had, I had, on my books, Sigonna Weaver, Rebecca Remain, a 16-year-old, Christine Ragerlera, Edward Norton and Sam Hayek, who were together at that point. And when did you get to a place where you're like, I need to have people under me. And was that difficult? I didn't even know I had to balance a checkbook. Yeah. I can't have still done. Yeah. To the horror of my accountant. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. So I think within a year, I realized I need other people because I didn't know what I was doing. And so I ended up taking a partner for a while, and ended up bringing in staff. And it's solid built. And because I kind of, by some magic, fell into this celebrity world, once you're in that, one celebrity changes to another, and you get, you know, it's all word of mouth.

30:04And so that's how it happens. And ended up working for Elton and Sharon, as you know, for the Kardashians. I mean, that's how we met at one of their Christmas parties. Yes, and then we were at the Joe Francis wedding. Look crazy, Joe. And Cheryl Teaks was there. And so then there was another party at her house that I went to. And then we just, yes, and then your friends with Lance Bass. And we just kept seeing each other at events and things like that. And then we became friends when you talk about that you can sing. And that you wanted to, was like, I could be a singer too. What was your relationship? Because I vaguely remember you telling me this story. But you did have a significant relationship with George Michael, correct? What dated him when I was like 19 for a minute, yeah, which was, which was really amazing because he was a huge star there. But it was all very hidden, you know, in your mean, he was, he was deeply in the closet. Yes, I mean, I was in the closet. I barely knew what was going on. You know, as a teenage girl, WAM was like my first concert I ever went to.

31:06He was an amazing, amazing man. And you know, that was, I mean, we were kids, but it was such a fun thing. I was modeling at that point too. So we had these things in London when you were a model, you got a model pass, which was all the nightclubs. Just wanted pretty people that they could come in. So they gave you these free VIP passes. And there was a great club in London called Browns. And we used to go with my girlfriends to this particular club where we were with our model passes, the line and straight in. And that's where I met George. And it was amazing. It was weird because we sort of looked alike back then. Yeah. Yes, totally. It was the ages, you know, shoulder pads and long curvy hair. And so anyway, it was an amazing period of, you know, just a fabulous thing to happen. Because not only was he an extraordinary guy, but I'm such a fan of his music. And still, I mean, that man really went to early because he was an unbelievable talent.

32:10And the music videos were like my favorite. As a creative person, when you look at the creativity that George had and you look at those videos, you know, it had herb, it, you know, videographing those extraordinary things and directing them. Those were works of art. Yeah. True works of art. And he's one of those artists whose music, I've never forget sitting there one day, just listening to him compose. It was wild. It just came to him. It was like magic. It was like watching Shakespeare, right? Those songs are still so prevalent today. I just heard a remix that somebody did a careless whisper. It was so amazing. It felt so fresh. And the Christopher song is the best. Oh, my God. Incredible. It felt like that in Mariah Carey's, like the two favorite Christmas songs of the last 30 years, you know. You mentioned the Kardashians. So how many of the Kardashians homes did you do? Because I feel like you did almost everybody.

33:10Oh, it was them. Yeah. I mean, the only one I didn't really do was Kim. We kind of did a fix up for a bedroom and got some bits and pieces along the way. But I did, obviously, first was Courtney, then Chloe, then Chris, then Kylie, and then Kendall. It was what? Kylie's story, which was the cover of architectural digest, was how do she then? 21, just. So it was like her first kind of first big thing? She just made a billion dollars off the lip kits. Off the lip kits. Just pregnant with the first baby. It was her first big real house situation up in Hidden Hills. And it was pretty amazing. It was pretty amazing to work for a 21-year-old with a billion dollars. I mean, I was very respectful of that. I don't want to run around, but spending money on crap. I mean, we really did a beautiful design for her in a very particular design. I mean, and it was very personal, even things like her dining chairs, her leather dining chairs. I had the leather custom-died to match each one of her best-selling lip kit colors.

34:16That is brilliant. Yeah. Everything was very, very, like, perfectly done for her. But that story, which ended up on the cover of architectural digest with her in this amazing mock-jake of stress, is still the biggest interior design story in history. It got 1.6 billion views within the first 36 hours. That has never happened before or again. Power of the Kardashians. I mean, absolutely. So now I'm doing, working with all of them. And I'm not trying to make the sister's fight. Like, personalities match or working with someone who was the easiest or who was, did you feel like you connected with the best? Honestly, Courtney had done kind of a crazy house before. That was like very mad. And when you're young, you do mad things. When she came to me, she'd seen other houses that I'd done. She'd spent time in those. Joe Francis houses in Mexico and seen all of that. And she had really kind of, you know, those guys have been exposed to the best of the

35:18best now all over the world. And so she was really already educated into the idea of wanting a more sophisticated home. And so we really did something beautiful. I got her to collect important mid-century furniture. I got her to start a real art collection. We went and visited art galleries together. And so that was wonderful because it was a learning process. And it saw somebody evolving and their taste evolving. And she's passionate about designs. That was really fun. Chloe's fun and wild and crazy. And that was great. And we did kind of a Moroccan-y thing in her house that was very sexy and loungy. And that's kind of her personality. Connie was young. So that was fun in the kind of educational moment of creating a home for a young person that still had real essence. Because Chris has got fabulous taste. Right. Agreed. But she's my my best. So she would overseas everybody and everything. I feel almost like she has the last saying all of that. And so Chris was there guiding the train on the tracks.

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41:40own style and all of that. But what did you think when, like for me, when Kim was with Kanye and we're hearing these stories of how they got all the Italian marble and then we're pulling out the Italian marble and there's no color and it's insane. Did you ever go to that house? I never went to that house. I only saw photos and stuff. I mean, I went to that house and it was very stark. It was Kanye. This wasn't. That's what I'm saying. That's what I, that's why I kind of. It was Kanye led for sure. It was very stark. There was very little furniture in there. The pieces that were in there were kind of like museum quality. It did not feel livable. It felt very museum like it didn't feel like a house that you bring kids up in that's for sure. And it's interesting because Kim has got a really loving kind of, you know, wrap your arms around you kind of experience, especially with her family about her.

42:40And so it was interesting to see that home, but felt so cold. It's so interesting that even someone at her level of success can get into a dynamic with a partner where, yeah, I was like, when they broke up, I was like, okay, good. Can she now dress herself? I want to see her sexy clothes again. I want to see her play like her kind of embrace her own thing again a little bit because it's like we were all watching it. And at that time, they were presenting like everything was good. But you were like, really? And I remember even when the baby was born in Northwest, like it was in shopping for a gift. We were told like beige, brown, or black. That's it. That's the only thing the baby will wear. And I remember thinking, this daughter is going to have her own style one day and board a she now, you know, like, but it was, it was just, and I was like, there is no way that Kim, who was like the most girly girl, is cool with like never allowing her daughter

43:43to wear pink or purple or yellow. I think, you know, when you're in love with somebody, you know, you get immersed in, in their world, immersed in that experience. And Kanye as crazy as he may be, whether he is always, a lot of people think he is, but he's also a genius. Totally agree. Yeah. Super genius. He's music's incredible. His lyrics are incredible. I mean, he's, he is a genius. And so when you have that around you, you get influenced by that. And it's overpowering. And by the way, he brought in the best of the best. He had extraordinary people like Vincent van Dyson and, and, and, and, and, my god, the Belgian. There's a fabulously famous Belgian decorator I now can't remember this name of, who's extraordinary. They brought in, ex of a vote. They brought in amazing people to work with them. It's just what Kanye wanted it to be very severe. Mm-hmm. Now obviously Kim's warmed it back up.

44:45Mm-hmm. She's brought in her great personality, her great style. And obviously she's still, she's been educated by that experience with Kanye to understand great art and, and great things. And she's probably still incorporating all that in her life. Yeah. The Kardashians, the Kardashian-Jenners have been exposed to the best of the best. They've been to the greatest houses. They know the wealthiest people. They've seen the most magnificent things been to the best parties, thrown the best parties. So they've really educated themselves so much that now they're extracting that into their own style. And listen, they're pretty extraordinary. Oh, I totally agree. I think it's amazing, you know, what they've all built. And it's fun to watch. And, you know, I've seen it for almost from the beginning. Yeah, and I've always was thinking, you know, as a mom, Chris was so smart. She created a business and a way that literally candles the only one that I think doesn't

45:47live in handhelds. Yeah. So, you know, she's got five of her six kids living in this community with her. I'm like, this is a mom's dream to have your kids be successful enough that they're not living in your house, but they're living, you know, a five, ten minute drive away. And they're all working together. And then, even if we were not having Sunday night dinner wheel, we have to meet because we've quit filming a show where we're getting paid. And we'll just have our salads on camera and talk. And it's just... I mean, so the salad. Yeah, salad salad. So, like, it really is such a genius thing. Oh, my God. And the reason it lasts is because they really are sisters and a family, you know, and so it will continue on forever. And their bonds extremely tight. Yeah. And Chris is a genius business woman. And, you know, people don't even know, they're very religious. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, people don't know that about them. They're very religious. So, they have these really strong core values.

46:48I enjoyed so much working with them. You know, I've enjoyed being friends with them. You know, I've been on vacation with Chris. You know, it's been... It was an amazing journey. The most extraordinary part of all of it is that obviously... I mean, and you and I were both on the show. We were both on Keeping Up with the Girls' Shins along the way. The most extraordinary part of it is that the connection with Kylie brought me a younger audience. So, suddenly, 12-year-old girls knew who I was, which has been wild. Yeah. You know, I was actually... I was in Paris, like, five weeks ago at Couture Week. And it's funny, we went on my got it, it was so hot. We went to the Go-To-Yay show and I saw... I've been working with Cardi B and I saw Cardi B there. Whatever to say, hi, I told you that. As I was walking out, a little girl stopped me. She was like, I don't know, 18, probably. A young lady, I should say, not a little girl. She went over to me, she went to me. Oh, my God, she said, I first saw you on the Kardashians when I was 12.

47:49And I've loved you ever since I've been following you. My God, that is the power of the Kardashians. You know what I mean? Now I've got 12-year-olds following me on Instagram. Right, yeah, it's amazing. You know, when you talk about spirituality and everything, I, and you're a spiritual person and I believe, you know, in putting out energy and then I believe you get signs from those who have passed on. And have there been any amazing, like, interior design stories where, you know, already you told me how many kismic things have happened living in this Hollywood house and how your career went. And if you didn't do this, then this wouldn't have happened. And, you know, all these, and I believe it's so great now as we get older, you start to almost connect like, everyone has that. If you open your mind to it and see it and look for the signs and be grateful, do you have any, like, situations like that where? Yeah, I mean, by the way, weirdly, every single house that I own has had some extraordinary connection with it.

48:49My old, my old, I still own it actually, but my house in Hollywood, in old Hollywood in Whitley Heights, was the home of Gloria Swanson, and we lived there. Oh, that's my mom's favorite movie. Rudolph Vannant, well, she lived there when she saw Sunset Boulevard. Sunset Boulevard, yeah. Rudolph Vannantino, and the famous writer William Forkner. My house I live in now, have you been to my new house? Yeah, you've been to my new house. My house now. Oh, no, no, no, this one. No, it's like a coin in this weekend. Yeah. That house, Andy Warhol lived there, Tina Turner lived there. Wow. Dennis Hopper lived there. I mean, so all these houses have had these extraordinary people. I haven't known that when I bought them. It's just been something about that energy that somehow that creative energy draws you in and attracts you to that. But I tell you a crazy story. You know, a lot of people don't believe in ghosts and things like that. I did this unbelievable house in Ireland. I'm extraordinary, 18th century property, magnificent restoration. It was one of my favorite projects because we got to shop

49:52the entire world to bring back 18th and 19th century furniture to Ireland, sort of that have been sold off auctions everywhere. And we brought it all back and restored this extraordinary house. So anyway, we're installing it. I'm there with my little assistant at the time installing this great big house. And there was a bedroom that was at the end of the hallway, smaller bedroom. And it's beautiful old fireplace, Victorian fireplace, had been walled up. And so I had it opened so we could see the fireplace again and kind of restored it and decorated the room more beautiful. And I bought this gorgeous mirror that was the shape of a liar. You know, a liar is like an Irish harp. Yes, yes. And so I had these big burly Irish delivery guys and these big kind of, you know, Guinness-drinking blokes and doing all the install. And I suddenly heard from this room a scream. And I thought, my God, whatever is that ran in.

50:55And this big burly guy who'd been up a ladder with another man next to him was hanging the mirror. And he was white. He was white as a ghost. And the mirror was on the floor. Why over the other side of the room? Smashed on the floor. And he was like, oh my God, he said, I know what happened. He said, I was hanging the mirror. He said, and it came off the wall, hovered in the air, and shattered in front of the fireplace, which was right across the other side of the room. It wasn't like he dropped it. You could tell he hadn't dropped it. So we were like, wow, this is so crazy. And he said, I don't know what it was. He said, but I'm leaving. I can't be here anymore. It's huge, gripping Irish guy. So we were like, whatever's going on. Anyway, I did a bit of investigating. It turned out that in the late 19th century, this had been a nursery. And there'd been an Irish housekeeper, or Irish nanny, who was a drinker.

51:55And one of the family's kids, this baby, I guess, had colliquered everyone, would stop crying. And she threw the baby in the fire. And killed the baby. And then she went down to the lake and drowned herself. So this room had had the unit that terrifying energy. And so at some point, they blocked up the fireplace because they didn't want that happening. Of course, me not knowing any of this had opened the fireplace. Oh, you could have turned it. And released that crazy energy. And so we couldn't get this room warm. We turned the piece. I've heard that about ghosts. A lot. They can control the heat or the air, and how cold it is. Oh, my God, it was so wild. So we literally brought in the local priest, and we did an exorcism and got rid of the energy. And now the family member that uses that bedroom all the time so they'd never felt anything weird or whatever, which I think we helped move the spirit on.

52:59But isn't that a crazy story? Yes. And it was literally, if it hadn't been that I'd walked in and seen this guy up on the ladder, on the far side of the room and seen this mirror over on the floor, I wouldn't have believed it. I would have thought you just broke it. But the fact we found all that out afterwards, crazy. Now, you know, with real estate and everything, you have to disclose, at least in California, from a real estate days. If someone died in the house, if it was a violent murder, I think you have to say it was a violent murder. But if they died, you're not to say what it was. Because actually, they wanted to make sure that it wasn't people saying someone died of AIDS, like in the age of. So they're like, if they died, you just have to say, hey, they died. But they didn't have to disclose what they died from. But then of course, if there was a violent murder, like a, you know, Sharon Tate, whatever, people know that. And would you buy a house that had this violent history? But it's a gorgeous house and it's a great view.

54:00And like the way that someone, you know, I always was like, well, I've never been presented with that. But if it was the house of my dreams, for me, I think if it, it's almost like Amityville Horror. Like I almost think if the crime matched like our family. Like let's say it was, the husband went crazy or the mother went crazy and killed everyone in the house. No, I don't think I'd want to buy that house. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't do it. If somebody has a house like, or was a dies of old age and it was the house that I left. And you know, you get it because it's life. It's part of the journey. But a murder or something, I mean, that RX show American Horror Story. Yes. You know where they heard that house, that crazy, which by the way, that house they filmed that in is supposedly haunted. It's like down by Hancock Park. Really? Huge old mansion and it's super scary. And it's been on the market forever. And so, you know, and you see all those,

55:01I mean, that show freaks me out. I couldn't watch that home on my own. I can't really watch much of that so too. That's too scary. Like I'm the person I am scared by like ghosts and devil and the priest has to come in and the extra says, maybe because I was raised Catholic. Like that stuff scares me. Yeah, no, it freaks me out. Yeah. Like literally, I will never forget that house in Ireland. Yeah. I had to go and say that one on my own, like a 20 bedroom house. I was petrified. Pfft, absolutely petrified. I actually went to bed fully clothed. You guys like to get up and run out in the middle of it. Yeah. So, but yeah, literally, I think that I couldn't buy a house that had bad energy, you know. Yeah. And I feel like you feel energy. Yeah. Do you think? Yeah, I mean, I've heard from people saying that like they walked in or they've brought a medium or psychic who just says, there's something I'm not feeling it whatever. And then the realtor's like, could you not get rid

56:02of the psychic? I almost felt like, you know, I'm ready to make a sale or whatever. But yeah, I do think that's kind of interesting about or like a piece like if there was some piece of furniture or something that might like, this is like coming to like a horror story, but as an interior designer, I saw this thing recently just coming across. It was a female who's an interior designer and she said, one of her biggest regrets. And I thought it was kind of interesting and she said, I had these clients and I'd worked for them with them for years. But they were very private people. She didn't necessarily say why they were private, but obviously they had a lot of money because they were great clients. So I don't know if they were, you know, Wall Street people or whatever. And but there was like one designer something and they said, yeah, you can, you know, give those photos and be in a magazine, but we were very private. And then there was another opportunity where she like didn't interview or something and she never, she never talked to them about it before.

57:02And then they like called her and they were like, you know, we really don't appreciate that and then they never worked with her again. And I thought it was really brave that she like shared the story of like her biggest regrets of like boundaries and working with people and this is such a world of like for interior designers, comedians, everybody like social media is so important. Yeah. And so like what would be your advice in dealing with people I think like, is it like right off the bat? Like, you know, are you down to let me share this? Are you not, you know, or what aspects of it? Yeah, but just to go back to one for one second, once we had that, please come in and get rid of it. Oh yes. The energy slowly changed and it became this unbelievable happy house again. So you can change things with us. Well, I do think you know when they do the sage and it is good to know that yeah, bring in like the poultry guy, lady, bring into the brain to why not? And it changed the whole thing to extraordinary happy family house. So maybe if there is a great deal but there's a scary thing you might just bring in.

58:03Yeah. Bring a one of everybody, you know, like bring it in, do whatever. Work the wand. Yeah. So contracts for me with clients. I mean, obviously confidentiality is very important. I have a lot of celebrity clients. In general, the celebrities, because they are public, they enjoy the publicity with their home because it's another extension of who they are. And sometimes it ends up actually bringing them, they get like, you know, a license for some home goods or, you know, so people see you've got great tastes and great style. They want to emulate that and be part of that. The Kardashians are a great, you know, advocate for that kind of thing, for instance. But I do believe that you have to respect your clients' privacy when they want it to be respected. You can't talk about people without them knowing or having agreed to it. Almost everyone of my clients have allowed us to publish.

59:04I think in my entire career, there's only been a couple of clients where we couldn't publish the projects. And that's because they were public figures and they'd had death threats or crazy stuff that's happened along the way. And I get it. Listen, I once had a mad stalker who broke into my house and tore pictures out of people that were with me in the photo frames and stuck their own face in. Wait, when was this? This was a few years ago, when I was back on TV all the time. Did you know that was the person stalking you and then one day you came home and saw that they'd gotten in your house or how did you know that? Oh, when you're on TV, you get mail from prisoners sometimes. You know, I started to get all this mail from prisoners. So I've scared me. But, you know, and then my press agent was dealing with it and I didn't ever really see it for a while. Anyway, some guy actually had become obsessed and had come out of prison and thought we were having it.

1:00:06You know, they thought it was the love of his life. It broke into my house. Which in Beverly Hills? It's actually when I was living in West Hollywood. Okay. Broken into my house. Didn't take anything, or anything, but just went around at the time I had loads of picture frames on tables and things. And carefully. So he took a frame, did the little thing took it out. All the people's faces like my mom and dad's face. And stuck pictures of himself in. And put the frame back together. Oh, I didn't notice. So at the time my house keeper, like, I'm like, who would come like two days a week, called me and like, oh my god, what is this? I don't know what's happening. She's just so strange. I think she thought I'd lost my mind, I'd done it. What are you talking about? I came home from a completely... All over my house. I didn't even notice. I've been said he must have been in your house for a couple hours. This is, which then petrified me. So yeah, so we had called the police. They gave me a stun gun.

1:01:08Oh my god. So I managed to stun my own leg. Was somebody walked up to me, was coming down the street. I thought it was the crazy person. I tried to get the stun gun out and stun my own leg. And my leg flew out to one side, split my tracks. That was the end of the stun gun. Did they ever find him? They did. They did. They did, he done it to two or three people. But I mean, it's crazy. So this crazy... Go back to prison. This crazy people out there, yes. Yes. Oh wow. So this, you know, this is a crazy world. Yeah. But that was a mad thing that happened. So having had that happen to me and my tiny little bit of fame in the world makes you understand that people that are really famous get a really crazy people after them. Yeah, it's really scary when you see this. I'll never forget shopping one day with Chloe Kardashian. We went to a store called The Rug Company to look at rugs. And we came out and she was about to get in a car. And some maniac guy came by on a bicycle and squirted stuff in her face.

1:02:11Like for no reason. Could have been asked, it could have been anything. I know. It's terrible. So when that kind of stuff happened, you just can't believe how crazy it is out there. Yeah. So I understand when people want privacy and you have to respect that. So in my contracts, it always has a thing that specifies you know, that we're allowed to take pictures for our own internal use. And if we're going to publish anything, we ask their permission first and get written, emailed permission from them to allow us to do that. And that way you're all protected. Yeah. Well, I think it's amazing everything that you've done. And I'm excited about this. This is your Instagram, which is amazing. If you want to see lots of great scenes, the hotel, the house is, it's Martin Ballard. But also now I want to ask you being English. What do you think about Harry and Meghan leaving? Monocito and sending their kids to the English school

1:03:12and coming back to England? Well, it's wildly unexpected. I'm shocked. I didn't see this coming. Why are you unexpected? I have met Harry and Meghan a few times. I've been wanting to see to. They're great friends of a friend of mine, a client of mine. And so, and they couldn't be more charming in person. I had a very weird thing happen though. When they first moved to Monocito, the Daily Mail, which God knows writes some crazy stuff, had on the front page, Elton John's decorator designs for Harry and Meghan, multi-million dollar home. It was complete crap. I've never even met them at that point. Let alone design for them all. And people are so venomantly against them. I got death threats. Now, what does it? The literal death threats come to my office saying,

1:04:13how can you design for them? They're disgusting people. Like a piece of mail? Oh, yeah, yeah. We got all this mail and stuff on my Instagram and DMs from people. You're a disgusting human. How could you work for them? It was shocking, really shocking. So there is major hatred out there, primarily for her, I think. And do you think primarily from the people of England, like you've screwed up the money? Yeah, I think it was a lot of others. There was English. I mean, listen, the scant love the interview without Probe was pretty wild. Yeah. There were a lot of things that should never have been said on that. There were things that were completely inaccurate or things that gave the impression of something that wasn't real. And was said in a way that maybe would give people the wrong impression of the royal family. I'm a royalist. I'm English. You know, I love the royal family. They have been their the hardest workers. And they are the number one tourist industry for England.

1:05:17The money they bring into the country is unbelievable. And they provide a great living for people. And the history of the royal family is extraordinary, 2000 years old or whatever it is. It's really part of English culture. And I think it's very sad that Megan wasn't able to find her position in that because she could have become the new Princess Diana. I mean, I was so excited when it started. And I thought she was great. Me too. I thought it was so cute. Yeah. I was happy to watch the wedding. I think the moment too was when she didn't think it through. You're trying to be funny. And you're like when she mocked having to bow to the Queen. It was very unnecessary. And he was just standing there like, that's where I'm like, I'm sorry. Was she not educated? Like was she not educated or did she not have the right big sister?

1:06:20She looked to like show her. Like this is what works with this is what doesn't. I don't know. It seems like unfortunate. I mean, part of me feels sorry for her because I think you don't know what you're going into in those situations. You kind of, you know, she bit off more than she could chew in essence. You are a public figure. She'd already been a public figure by being an actress. But being an actress is very different from being a member of the royal family. You know, you're in the public eye 24-7. There's no escape in a way. And you have to do public duties. You know, as an actress, you can wake up in the morning if you're feeling ill, you know, maybe they'll delay the shoot that day. If you've got 20,000 people waiting for you to cut a ribbon to open a Walmart or whatever it is, you have to be there and do it because it's royal duty. So it's a very different thing. I think it, I think that's a really good point. That I think coming from California, being an actress, all that kind of things, I've always said that because I related to a lot to her life story, just, you know, middle class,

1:07:21Catholic school, went to college, wasn't, you know, had to get her own way in the acting. She wasn't like a full nepot-baby or dad worked on a set in props or whatever. So it's like, I thought, oh, this is relatable. So it's like if I married the prince, you know, and I definitely think that there was, like I said, like a lack of an education and understanding of what you were really getting into. And also just the gloomy weather, you know, when you come from California, weather as a California, Southern California person, like it's, it goes a little gloomy for a few hours and I'm like, my day is shot. Like, I don't know how to deal. I shot that TV show in England two years ago. I was there January and February shooting. I thought it was going to kill myself. You wake up, it's dark and that just gets darker. My God. So I get that. So I think that was a hard thing to adjust to and then, yeah, I think she just didn't really understand the depth of it being American.

1:08:21And of course, with Princess Kate, she grew up in England. She dated William for a very long time. She just was, she was born for the role. She was born for the role. She understood the role. Yeah. She really understood the role. Again, I think it's the saddest thing because she could have been the new Princess Diana. She could have done unbelievable things in the world for racism. Rather than creating now, this like big drama that everyone's racist and then raw family, everything, she could have gone the other way and she could have been the spokesperson as the first kind of mixed race princess. She could have done an unbelievable job in the world. And I think it's sad that she didn't step up to that. I still, you know, I also, when you're an actor, you've got that inside of you and you want to fulfill that. And I think it's quite sad that she had to give up the acting career. I think if they've been a bit more modern and allowed it to say, you know, you keep acting, but also you need to do these royal duties. And together she would have formulated a balanced life.

1:09:22I think the fact she had to give up that career to become a royal must have been very difficult. Well, when she first got married, I thought I predicted that she would be like the Oprah of England. And then she could have had the biggest podcast talk show there. Yeah. And and speak to truly international interesting people and still show like who she is and and have the best of both worlds. Sure, wouldn't she wouldn't have been, you know, able to totally go off. But she's not like a crass person. So it's like it's all me doing it. You know, like so yeah, I feel like it was all like kind of these missteps. And I don't know maybe going back, do you think that she could ever win like win the people over again? Oh, now I don't think so. I think she'd have to really change the way somehow the other to get it back. I don't think it's coming back. There's been so much damage.

1:10:23So why are you even even Oprah damaged her own career by doing that? Yeah. Interview. Oprah's never recovered in the people's, you know, minds after doing that, because she allowed a bunch of not a bunch, but some lies to be told and and and the shock and horror and the whole thing. It damaged Oprah's career. Oprah, the queen of television. Pretty wild. So do you think they're going back because of financial reasons because all their L.A. deals have dried up. And in England, you know, try this. I don't know. I mean, for deals for filming for stuff like that. America's the number one. It's where you make money. That's an impossible track to the UK. But I don't know if they're going back because maybe they maybe, you know, Harry's missing his family. Maybe, you know, the King's not been well for a long time. Maybe he's going back for that. I understand the education thing because Harry was educated in those fine English

1:11:26schools. There isn't anything really comparable to that for younger children anyway here. Certainly later in life, you have Harvard and yeah, and all those things. But when the kids are young, the schools are very different. I mean, if I had a little prince and princess as she does and word, their dad is the prince of England. Yes, go to school in England. Like, are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean, I do think it's smart. It's now or never. And maybe it can be repaired. Maybe the kids will form their own connections. Like, you know, aunt and uncle and you know what I mean? It's the Andrew and Fergie. Yes. You know, the scandal of Prince Andrew or not Prince Andrew and what Andrew Wenzos is now. Oh, wow. The scandal of that has been so wild. They really made her the bad girl Fergie. Oh, well, remember that photo of the guy. Did you read any of that? Of course, remember like Fergie's a boyfriend was sucking her toe and then we're Johnny Bryant hilarious. He's hilarious character.

1:12:27That was her boyfriend. The Tosaka. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we didn't know that they were separated open marriage that he was hanging out with EBSC. We didn't know. So we, but we saw her like they made her to be the enemy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, I mean, it's really both of them. I mean, it was Prince Andrew made a complete fall of himself doing that. Do you know? Absolutely. But I'm saying at the time that we Americans saw the tabloids of the Tosaka. It was like Fergie is the bad girl. Yeah, yeah. And they're getting divorced. But it's more like Fergie was the one that stepped out when this whole time, who knows all the crazy stuff Andrew was doing, you know? Well, history repeats itself. Yeah. My God, amazing. But I think there's so much scandal gone on with with my uncle Andrew and Fergie. And maybe we'll come back and there'll be so much else going on. No one will really notice. Yeah. I don't think it's the case. I think the price will be all over them. I think they'll have a hideous experience.

1:13:29And the fact that they just lost that giant lawsuit in England with the, with the, I think it was definitely, definitely saying, yeah, he was suing the, the papers. And he did not prevail. Well, they've lost them, Liz with her, the bunch of them. They have to give like 30 million pounds back because they've got to pay all the legal fees for the other, for the other side. So how much money does he have? Like I've seen 60 million from Diana, but does he have it all now? I heard it was only 15 million he got from. Because it was divided out. But I heard that he inherited money from the Queen mother. His grandmother. So, but you know, and they had, they did have deals here. I mean, I'm sure they had a $10 million deal, but they don't anymore. There's nothing else. The Netflix deal is done. The, the podcast deal is done. Right. And, you know, even if she got an acting role, it's not convenient to live in Montecito and have to be driving the burbing.

1:14:31And it's not going to pay you. A thousand. I mean, when you're living that lifestyle, you, that's not going to do anything. Yeah. And then her little cooking show or whatever that can last. There's going to be something else going on there that's, there's going to be some monetary reason why they move back. I think it's like, I think it's the opportunities dried up here. Yeah. The kids are school age. Yeah. I think it's like a number thing. The dad is sick. If they wait too long, it may never get repaired. And how, you know, how they get to live the next 30 years. Yeah. I think they're going to pay for them. I think the rift between the two brothers is probably the biggest situation. Because that seems to be really terrifying. Do you think as a man, though, I feel like brothers could make up? Well, you would hope so. I mean, I would hate to have. I've three older sisters. I hate to have any fallout that's long-gevertis with you then. It can happen. I mean, I have siblings, but I feel like because they only have each other. You know what I mean? Like sometimes there's like a black sheep or whatever when you have a bunch of kids.

1:15:32Because they have each, they have each other only they know what it's like to have grown up. And then they were children of divorce and they were children who lost a mother young. Like that is, I think, what makes people so sad. They really want to see those brothers make up. And that's the other thing where you've sort of then blame the woman. And they know I wasn't in Kate because they were fine. The three of them would do all these things together. You know what I mean? Like she was always including him. So well, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see. And the truth is that none of us know what it must be like to be a royal. No. And to live in that and to have to perform like that and to have to. I don't think his book helped either. Oh my God. The book was ridiculous. That is a lot of boohoo. That was ridiculous. Yeah. You know, we don't need to hear about his frozen willy. Yeah. Well, I'm excited about your show now. I love the name, live, love and decorate.

1:16:32This is your show that tell everybody where they can watch it. Yeah. So this is on home worthy, which is on YouTube. It can support in my name or live, love and decorate all home worthy. It comes up. This is this is a real, been a real passion project. Because you know, I love travel. It's the one thing that inspires me more than anything else. It's the one thing that, that, you know, gives me, I think, the most knowledge in my design and feeds myself. So I love going to different cities. I'd love to travel. The one thing is when you travel, you never know a city or a place or a country until you know the people that live there. So the whole pretext of this show is that I introduce you to friends of mine that live in these cities and the way they live and the way they're influenced by the city and their culture and how that culture

1:17:34sort of helps them design their homes and live their lives. So it's really been fun. It's kind of like an Anthony Bourdain sort of thing, but design oriented. And each episode I have like five or six different people in all different houses. I mean, and it's not just the rich and famous. Yes, there's some of that on there. Beautiful, you know, mansions on the boss for us or old palaces in Tangier. But there's also, I've got a cross-dressing life coach, you know, living on a barge in London. We've got real, real diversity in the mix of this, which is what a city, which is what the world is. You know, and so you get to see these people that have got great individual style. And they tell you why and they tell you why they love where they are. And we've always got a connection like my gorgeous friend, Nebi, who many, many years ago used to work for me as a sort of a design assistant. Now lives in this extraordinary house in Istanbul. And you know, you see that the beautiful friendship that we have,

1:18:36but also the connection through the design. And how actually visiting her or these years in Istanbul and in Turkey, I've been influenced with Turkish and Ottoman style in my own taste. And so you get all of that wonderful extract. So it's been really fun. And I also, in each show, I give not only an insight to the people, but I always show like a beautiful place to stay. Like a gorgeous boutique hotel. Oh, I love that. And I show like a flea market or the grand bazaar or somewhere that I love to go shop, you know, because being at the Demented shop at the end, we have to go shopping everywhere. Yeah. And so you always get a little bit, a little taste of those things. And so it's great. It's been so fun to do it. We did London, we Paris, Tangier, Istanbul, Australia was really fun to actually. Those crazy Australians, it was just fabulous. So we got all this wild places and mix and stuff going on on it. And so YouTube is a wonderful thing because YouTube allows you to put in your taste into the algorithm.

1:19:44And it feeds you these great shows. And so now all these design enthusiasts are getting to see this show. Awesome. It's also great for travel. It's great for people that want to see a little, you know, want to be nosy into other people's lives. You know, there's a little celebrity in there. It's got a little bit of everything. I've enjoyed it so much. Well, I just adored this conversation we had. And I feel like there were so many things and we've had so many dinners and stuff. And you can't, you still brought all these new stories to me. So it was great. And thank you so much. And everybody followed Martin on his Instagram because it's so great. And it's Martin Balard is just the full name. And Martin is spelled with a YN cute. And follow him and then you can also see the show live, laugh, decorate, live, love and decorate live, love, not laugh live, love, a decorate. My show is your show. My new show is live, laugh, decorate.

1:20:46That's what we'll do together. We'll live and laugh. I'm decorating together. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me the best.