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The fourth and last word in the Pusook of the Euchar Bays, Pusook Tessav was the word

he. So I put right angles in over here, it says he, the price of told us it was

La Hose to exclude the Ste Halachem. That's the special offerings brought on

Schluest to a loves long to sheep. Shlug it on a Lachem of La Levina, that that one

does not require either oil or levona. Okay, that's what we're told is coming

to exclude the Amelahudsi. Once again, we're just using this as an example by the

Mintras-Kahannem. Like, who says that's what it can be, Tessav, why not Mintras-Kahannem?

Well, to kind of make sense that Mintras-Kahannem, you're going to want to include

Mr. Mintras-Kahannem, Havela Rabouye, Shaqain, and here is six similarities. Number one,

they're both an Esauroy. Number two, they're both processed in a, in a Cleanew

Tensel. Number two, they're both brought as Mata, unleavened loves as both of the

Stelachem, which is brought as Chameids. Number four is Etsem, they're brought on there.

Own, number five is Haqasha, there's a drawing close of the ball holding them to the Mizbeach,

as opposed to the Stelachem. And finally, the Ishim is the, there's nothing that goes

from them to the fire, but the Omer and the Mintras-Kahannem, they are brought on their own.

Okay, that is the six similarities. The Gamarsas actually, Andrei, but quite to the contrary,

the Stelachem has ready for this 11 similarities. That's what should be included, Havela Rabouye,

Shakane. Number one, Seabor, two, Kheva, three, Tamiya, four, Dachal, five, Pigula, six,

Bishapsa, seven, Mata, eight, Tenufa, nine, Barats, ten, Bisman, and eleven, Hadash, and,

unlike on the other previous ones, that were six versus six or four, this is six versus 11,

Vahani Nefesha, and here they're like 11 is more similarities. And the similarities here,

let's go over all them. They're both Krabana, Seabor, they both have a key of three,

broad, they're both proper Tuma, they're eaten from them. Pigul applies to them because even

let's say like the Stelachem, it's the Shrite of the Cross, it's Matir, them, they're both

offered on Shabis. They both are Matir, the Omar is Matir, the new grain for everywhere else,

the Stelachem is Matir, the new grain, and the base Hamiddash, Ades, Tenufa, they both have a

special waving ceremony, nine is Barats, they have to be brought, they can only be brought from a

grain that was grown in the land of Israel, number ten Bisman, they have like a set time they have

to be brought, and eleven is Hadash, they can only be brought from the new grain, Vahani Nefesha,

and the conclusion, like it was each other time, was Mistabra, Nefesha kind of makes sense,

that if you're going to include something, that is a individual's courtroom because of the

term Nefesha it's used. So there's a mission of the Khayevala Shemuf-Niyatzmah, if you put,

let's say in a Minchas Khouta, this is not supposed to have Shemuf, you put oil on it, that would be

an individual liability, and Khayevala would avoid a Bifniyatzmah, and also if you put, uh,

the Frankencensin, it would be an individual violation of the Torah prohibition, Kamah,

if, uh, Nelson ala Shemul, let's put oil on it, well, there's nothing you can do, because oil,

like once you pour it onto something, it sort of like seeps in, and it's past the however,

Levoina, if you did what you shouldn't have done, which is to put the Frankencenson,

well, that's not irredeemable, because the Alaktena, you could just kind of collect it all,

like pick out all the pieces, and it would actually be, uh, what remains would be okay.

Let's say Nelson Shemul, Shireha, not on the grains that's before the Komitsu is done in

processing, but on what the, the remnants of it, well, you know, overloy sauce, that, that is in

no way violating the prohibition, the prohibition is, uh, to put the oil on, as it's being processed,

not afterwards. Um, let's say Nelson Klee Al-Gabe Klee, let's see, I had a Klee, and it had the,

grain stuff in it, and then you put another Klee, and you put oil on that, that doesn't ruin it,

just take the second Klee out, and everything's all right. Um, Tonerabana, the more things

are brisa, it goes for six lines. The Pasok says, uh, Loyasim Alehen Shemin, Duna Puroylaan

them, um, Veim Samin, if you did though, it would Pasok would ruin it. Kama, Yohalo Yutenalela

Levona, um, maybe so I always say the same thing by the Levona. Uh, you're not supposed to put the

Levona on dream, Nelson, if you did Pasok, it ruins it. Uh, no, Tamaloymar, the Pasok says,

quote towards Ki Ghatas. Um, meaning like even if you put the Levona on it, it's still called

a Ghatas, and it would still be Mechapir for the person. Okay, well then maybe even if you put

the oil on, you weren't supposed to be put the oil on, Yohalo Yutenalelaan, Peshemin, Quesimark,

no, Tamaloymar, he, the word he means it has to be done as it is, and it's not supposed to have oil on

it. Okay, so then you're telling me if I put the Levona on, don't worry, just take it off,

and it's okay, but you put the oil on your room too. Umar Royce, why do we see if it lifts all

to invalidate it when it is, uh, has Shemin put into it or the Haksher, and to say it's still okay,

even though the Levona was put in it. Well, says the Bryson, it just kind of makes sense,

place it on you. I'll, I'll make it invalid once the oil, she has your loctite. You can't like

gather up the oil. Once oil has been poured in like a bunch of, uh, flour, uh, by definition,

you can't gather it up. Umar, Sharon, I'll say that it's still okay when it's the volume that was put

in. Well, I shaft your little light so you could literally, it might take a long time, if you

get very tedious, but you could pick out every piece of Levona. That's the end of that's an

a source. I assume Levona is sort of like granular, sort of like, uh, maybe like rock salt type of

consistency, which is just the next question. Boa asked, uh, Rababara Funa, uh, he has to be

ochanan. How about this? Nus in Allah, Levona, shehuka, mahu. Let's say the Levona that you put on,

wasn't like the chunky typical Levona, but rather it was ground up like almost into like a fine

powder. What do we say about that? Colin, Mishoom to Eftar Alalakta is the reason why Levona being

put on is not so much a problem because you could take it off. Well, if it's been powderized,

low Eftar Alalakta, you can't really gather it up. Um, oh, Dilmer, maybe Mishoom to lowly

miivlet's because it doesn't get absorbed into it because it's not liquid. Vanami, lowly miivlet

might be powder, but it's not getting absorbed into the Mincha. So which way is it? Well,

Tashmah, I put a triangle this Tashmah and one line later, I put another triangle on the next

Tashmah. So come in here, come in here, uh, here's the first one, Tashmah, two words of writing,

those ulevaina, you lock ten at the above, Bryce, I said, if it's the Vona, you could just gather

it up. Okay, and that sounds like you can gather it up. Um, so that's the reason, meaning like,

if you ground it into a powder and you can't gather it up, maybe it won't be good. The more it says,

maybe, yeah, but maybe, you know, Dilma, maybe when the Misho, or the Tenex source above was using

that, uh, approach of you could gather it up, it's telling you one of a number of things you could do.

Dilma, how do I come? I call it means, how do I move it? Firstly, it doesn't get absorbed in.

Secondly, by the way, you lock ten at you can gather it up. So as long as it doesn't get absorbed

in, it would be all right. In other words, in conclusive at this point. So Tashmah,

come in here, we'll try again, another Tenex source, another quote from the above Tenex source.

This one goes five words I put it in right angles,

max your only, but the vinyl said that if the vinyl is put on, it's because you could gather it up.

Well, Hachanami, so to here, you could say that Chadevaid Ka Amar, that the

style of the above Tenex source is giving you one of a number of reasons.

Okay, we haven't really answered the question, so the Gomorrah reiterates my havela. So like,

what's the answer? If you had ground Lavena, there's like ground into a powder and put on,

would that make the Mincha offering irredeemable, or maybe you could do something to fix it. So Amar,

if not, you'd say Taneer, we have a Bryce, the Bryce goes forward just over six lines and says

like this, Mincha Skelta, and a Mincha Knoz. Both of those are not supposed to have Lavena on them.

Let's say Shannas on Allaha, you put Lavena on it. Well, is it all ruined? No,

Malakia is Lavena, you could gather, take away all the pieces of Lavena, Uksher, and it'll be kosher.

Ve'im ad-shalloy like, let's say before you gathered it up, the Lavena,

Khishir Valah, you had one of these mach-shavas that can ruin it. In other words, Benchluss

Lisbono, Benchluss Maklima, whether it was a mach-shava that you were going to do something

or so to like eat it or burn it outside the proper time or outside the proper place,

it's puzzled and valedates it, and there's no car race, though. However, and apparently here,

you really could gather it up. Ve'im, Misha, like, livena, so if once you've gathered it up,

and there's no more Lavena there, then, and now you're processing it and you're processing it

properly, Misha, chevalah, Khuts, the Maklima, if the car is a mach-shava, there's going to

either eat or burn the parts outside the proper place, puzzled and by carous, yet Khuts,

Lisbono, and that's really the most destructive type of mach-shavas, and do it, pass the proper

time either the burning of it or the consuming of it, that's pigl, Bechlava, of carous. That is

the end of the teneiic source. Now, the commercial question, well, one second, if it's to have a

pach amai pasla mach-shava, question markama, digui, who? Exclamation point. Well, why not just look

at this mincha while it still has Lavena in it, as though it is, like, I don't know, someone

threw a piece of confetti into it, or like a container, a topor container into it. Why would a

mach-shava possible it, isn't it, digui at that time, that was pushed off from being able to be

used, and things that are pushed off, the mach-shava, a puzzle mach-shava, it doesn't affect them.

So, three approaches to answer this, Amara Bayeh, he's the first to put a number one next

swiss name in the middle of the next line is Rava, I put a number two next name encircled it,

and three lines below that is Ravashi, I put a number three next swiss name encircled it.

So, a Bayeh says, well, here's the reason why, because even as it's being processed, even if

you can put Lavena, it's still the puzzle first, where it's a chatez, and therefore a mach-shava,

just like mach-shava, puzzles, a regular chatez, those were the puzzle this. Ravashi was a second

approach to Amara Hamani, he says that actually the above teneiic source is according to the

shiites, y'all could have gone and amidst you, delasely digui, and he doesn't hold of this issue,

those people do, with his and all this issue, if something is pushed off, that that affects it,

and we see that from the precedent of the Yomkipura Vodo, where there's two goats brought

exactly the same, and one is used as the, as a carbon's present in the Basin-Migzish,

a kerbachatis, the other one is the scapegoat that's taken out and pushed off the rocky cliff,

so there, you have that both in process for the Yomkipura service to be good.

Khan Amidstri says, afilud dhambakais, even if you have the blood in the kerbachatis,

we're already sheptid, the sa'ir lahashem, maybe khaveir al-Shaloib al-Grolem is

avically, and then let's say the sa'ir, that's la-za-za, that's supposed to be pushed off the

cliff, like kind of drops dead, has a heart attack or something, so you don't have to bring two new

ones, you could rather bring one new one, and you don't even have to do a new casting of lots,

and match it up, that is the Khan Amidstri approach, she doesn't only got pushed off,

even though something problematic happened to it, just like fix the problem and everything's

all right. Ravashi is a third approach, Yomar, Kholshbiyad al-ayhaveir, Ravashi is like this,

something get pushed off, if there's nothing you can do about it, if there is something you can

yes do about it, then it's not considered a push-off. Amar of Shisha, Kavasi, Ravashi misstapa,

the approach out of those three that makes the most sense is the Ravashi approach,

Dimon Shamba is laid, he's laid to Huyin, who in the first place, like which ton is it,

that we know that holds of this concept of that, if something became invalidated, it gets pushed off,

that's the Tanrabihudihi, Ditsan, as we see over here, again, back in the Yom Kipper avodo,

when you have the two seerim, he's the one who says, Amar, Vali dhamrabihudah,

this next source goes for almost two lines, Nishvahadam, let's say you have the two goats,

and you're now processing the one that's a carbon to Hashem, and like the blood spills,

well, the other one, I mean, the ones can be the scapegoat, can't be used anymore,

because it got pushed off, because it's a twin, it wasn't processed properly, and therefore,

what do you do? Yamos misstalayah, the misstalayah has to be killed, and you bring two new ones,

or Mesa misstalayah, let's say this year, misstalayah drops dead, Yishvahadam,

even though you already have the blood in the cup, and you're in the middle doing the

avodo of the one last shem, you just spill it on, bring two new ones, that's the Raviyudah,

clearly, when one is pushed off, it's no longer able to be good. That's the end of the next

source, for Iluhaehadabiyudah, however, where it's the issue, something that you can do something

about, as opposed to like one of this year, just like drop dead, or the blood spilled,

Tanya, we have a brisa, and the brisa here, I believe it's talking about, on the 14th of Nisan,

in the afternoon, everybody's bringing their carbon pasach, and we know, for a carbon to be valid,

you have to have certain things done, like the Shreeta, the Kabbalah, the receiving of the blood,

but let's say, because of all the hubbub, somebody, Cohen actually wasn't able to do one of the

particular, that old, thousands, or tens of thousands, a hundred of thousands of sheep that were

brought to be carbon pasach, and the blood never made it to me's bare. Sort of Yihudah says,

well that would push off the validity of that carbon pasach for that person, whoever it is,

even though we might not know about it, Shreeta says, no problem. At the end of the day, when like

the Azar is filled with blood from all of the carbon pasach that were processed, Klyse, Hayem,

and Malay, Medama, Tarruvas, they would fill up a temple vessel with the blood, this is a mixture of

all of the blood of all the carbon pasach that had been offered that day, the Zarka, Zriga, Arras,

and they would do one Zriga, connected to Yisayda, on the part of the Meezbeach that has Yisayda

underneath it, and that would act as a valid Zriga for if there was any carbon pasach that didn't have

the blood, Shreeta would be Shreeta, which is amazing, because until that it Shreeta was no good,

and now this is fixing it, that is clearly what she described, Yihudah, Ad-Khan.