Most Replayed Moment: Tony Robbins Reveals The Key To A Meaningful Life

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1:05you see their life turn into what looks like depression, a form of depression, an absence of meaning in their lives. I wanted to just throw this out there because we are in a society that's increasingly encouraging independence. There's upsides to independence, of course, we all understand those. I wondered if there's a double-edged sword here when you said earlier about making the world more about just me, me, me and I. In a world of abundance, I imagine many more people are going to choose to make it about I, I, I, I, because I can. Put a headset on pathoretically, never leave my house. Someone could literally put a robot puts the food in my mouth. I could have some sex robot that just gets me off. Money comes in my account by UBI. The reason your friends got depressed, I've had this happen, I've seen this as well. I've had, you know, most of my friends are older than I am usually for some reason. I gravitated to the man that were 18, 20 years my senior who brilliant and they're learning from them and seeing where they're going in their life and so forth. But I watched something like Southern Company and make a billion, too.

2:06And then they were happy for like a month maybe and they called me, let's go to this, go to that and they're trying to go to somebody. I got, you know, I got a lot of companies, got a lot of kids, I got a lot of things, right? And it's like, and eventually they all want to get back in the game because we have six human needs. Certainty, uncertainty, because think about this, if you were certain every moment of your life, you know what someone's going to say, and I'm sure you have this somewhat, you know what they're going to say before they're going to say it. But if you know what someone's going to say before they're going to say, you know what's going to happen, what's going to happen every moment of every day in the beginning, it would be cool. But after a while, what would you feel? Board. Out of your mind board. So God in her infinite wisdom gave us uncertainty. We need variety. We need surprise. So I asked people, you're going to state in 15,000 people and I say, how many of you love surprises and everybody raised, yeah, I go bullshit. You love the surprises you want. Dispriced you don't want you call problems, but we need those two, right? Third need is significance. They need to feel unique. You need to feel special.

3:07They need to feel important. Who do you think has that need? And all of us, everyone. Yeah. Now some people like Donald Trump is pretty obvious, right? And some people though, it's like, I don't want significance. I don't want to be in your, I don't want to be special. That's only because they feel they get special to get attacked. Right? Some people do it by ear rings. Some people I tattooed in certain years. Some by knowing box, box scores about a sport more than anybody else. Some people buy their art. Some people they wear they dress. Some people buy their money. Some people have been more generous. Everyone finds a way. Okay. However, some people do it through violence. Okay. So let me give you another seed. Why is violence always been with us? If I feel I'm insignificant, and this is by the way, even more powerful in most men's cases because the nature of testosterone, right? Stosterone is about significance. It's about being dominant, right? So if I'm in a community and I'm driving by or I'm walking by this community and it's a tough community, a tough environment, somebody comes up with a gun to my head. I've never met him in my life.

4:08Why? Well, first of all, how certain do you think that person is you're going to respond when they put a gun to your head? Before you may not have paid attention to them, but you're going to pay attention now. How significant are they in your life on a zero to 10 scale with that gun to your head? They're the most significant thing on earth. And by the way, every time it's a little different, they give variety. Anytime you meet a belief, an emotion or a behavior meets at least three of these six needs, you will become addicted to that thought, that feeling of that behavior. It could be a positive one or a negative one, but you will become addicted to it. So violence connects those three, but you can also get significance by tearing other people down. So why do we have so many warriors in their little house, you know, doing their little virtual signaling, doing what they're doing? Because they've done their life. And it used to be I'd have to confront you. Now, I don't confront you. I don't even know who I am. I can say all this terrible shit. And I'm sitting in my more place and make my seal feel significant because I've made you smaller. I'm bigger. It's why social media is so terrible. There's great things.

5:09It's what's so terrible about it. It's like people now can meet their need for significant without much effort. No consequence. You come and say this directly to me, you're going to pay a price of some sort, right? That's no longer there. Now, fourth need, connection and love. Everybody wants to love. Most people settle for connection because they've had love at one point. It was so painful when it ended. They decided to settle for connection. How can you get it? You can get it by going for a run and feeling connected to God of the universe, nature. You can get it by prayer. You can get it by being with some friends. You can get it by making love. You can get it by getting a dog. If nothing else, get a dog. No, get a cat. Cats leave. But dogs, you leave for two minutes. It's like you've been gone for six months. They'll make you feel very loved. There's a million ways to feel connection and love. Some are positive, some are negative. Some people get connected by their problems. They're always comparing problems. You've ever seen two people comparing, but I have this. Well, you think that's bad. Let me tell you mine. They're arguing over significance and they're connecting through their problems. Right? The biggest drug on earth is not cocaine.

6:12It's not fentanyl. It's not dope. It's problems. The deepest fear everybody has is they're not enough. In our deeper fears of we're not enough, we won't be loved. I've never met a human being. I've worked with Kings, Queens, winners of everything you can imagine. Academy Awards, scientists. There's some point in which you might feel for someone you care about most that you're not smart enough, young enough, old enough, pretty enough, funny enough, rich enough, playful enough, something enough. And as the worst feeling on earth, to feel like you are unloved and worthless is internal death. So people come up with a story. It's just because I have this dyslexia. That's why. Or it's because I was raped and maybe they really were raped. I'd want to kill the guy that hurt them, but that's not why they're feeling what they're feeling right now. It's because they're fearful. And so if you have a big problem, that's why I'm not where I want to be. It's not that I'm not enough and not worthy of love. And so people use problems to connect. Now these first four needs, certainty, uncertainty, you can see how they have a conflict.

7:12But if you ever rented a movie you've already watched, get a life. Yeah. I have to. Why would we do that? Because we're certain it's good, but it's been long enough that we hope there's a variety that we won't remember at all. I haven't variety once again. So you can meet multiple needs through the same task potentially, but certainty, uncertainty, significance, you're you are in Hollywood. Why did people come to Hollywood? Be famous and see it be famous, right? They know what that really is if they did some of them move away from it, but significance is what they're looking for. But what they really want is love. That's what everybody wants. But you know what the problem is, they think if they're significant, everyone's going to love them. And I get these clients without mentioning any names, the biggest names in Hollywood. The biggest names in sports. And you know what their number one thing is, they're angry. Why are they angry? Because they thought if I'm significant, everybody loved me and now they go, people rip me online to interrupt me with my family trying to have dinner. They don't give a shit about me. They just want to picture. They just want this.

8:13And if I don't do it, they write that about me. They care about themselves. They care about themselves. And so what happened is I thought by being significant, I would be loved. And now I'm super significant and I'm not loved. I'm attacked. Because the more you try and push your significance on someone, the less significant they make you. If you love someone, there's nothing more significant than true love, not a trade, not all love you if you give me something. Genuine love. And if that happens, you become significant in people's lives. But that's the number one challenge in this community. So significance, love, have attack. If you're significant, you're the individual. But I need to be connected. Or if I'm still connected, who am I? And that's the pull. The secret to it all of the final two needs. The spiritual needs, not religious, but spiritual. And that is we all must grow. When you grow, you feel alive. And if you don't grow, you start to die inside. And this isn't my rule. Everything in the universe grows or dies. As you well know, this is the law of the universe. If your relationship's not growing, it's dying. Don't bullshit yourself. If your business is not growing, your businessman, you know, he is not growing.

9:14It is dying. You've been to do something now, right? But we grow so we have something finally to give, which is where meaning comes in life. When I grow, I have something more to give. And if I can give that to someone, then my life is more meaningful than just the pleasure of I have the machine that, you know, makes me feel pleasure in certain parts of my body and feeds me and all the things you talked about. If you went to Vegas and you pull down that, you know, that little, you know, you'd box thing and you get boom, boom, boom, bars, bars, bars. What's your reaction? Amazing. Amazing. Wow. So, isn't it? And you pull it a second time and you get it again. Amazing. And now you do a hundred times. Yeah, that's amazing. And now you have as a job. If you do this and you got a predictable outcome, the fact that you don't know what the outcome is, that's the jackpot in it, they get someone hooked on anything. That's what makes it significant because it's scarce, right? So, when you do this, if I said to you, Assama Bin Laden, what would you say is top-need

10:16driving force? Was it certainty? Was it variety? Was it significance? Was it love? Was it growth or contribution? I'd say probably significance. 100%. He was one of, I forgot the number, 27 children. I literally was 27 children. He was a nobody. He took his dad's money. He was not very religious. And he went to Afghanistan and he used his money and became significant. Not by shooting people. He provided resources. And then all of a sudden his entire life changed. How do you know? The most significant thing is he sent other people to a die. He didn't go to die. He sent other people. Now, his number one drive is significance and his way of doing it was to get other people to die. On that same day in 9-11, there were men and women in the Fire Department, Police Department who, when are those buildings knowing it a good chance they would die to save a stranger? Also driven by significance both with different rules. If I die a hero, my life is meaningful. And that's a meaningful life. So people can even have the same need structure, but their beliefs about how to meet those needs

11:19are the most important thing. And the needs of connection and love, growth and contribution have no downside. Certainly make, if you have certain needs, your number one thing, you're always trying to keep life the same way. And you're going to be stressed out. Especially with, hey, I hear you're going to be really stressed out. If you're a variety person, you can have a lot of fun. But eventually, not much variety of life you described for all these people. Now they have the money, they have the sex, they have this, they have that, they have the woman they have, the notoriety they have the Academy word, it all gets old. Because if we're not growing, it doesn't matter. How many people do you know that we're famous, who are rich, who had supposed to be everything people want and took their own life? Why do they take their life? They stop growing and stop having a sense of meaning by giving. They could show, I could show you example after example of people. So these need structures in the new world have to be met. We can meet Cerny right now very easily by going online and controlling our communication. That's why people text. That's much easier than communicating back and forth with someone, right? We can get variety by going online so easily now.

12:20We can get significance terror that people down or work on something significant, we think, right? AI explore the world. We can get a sense of connection to people online or through a robot or these days, people have an AI and they talk to it like it's their boyfriend or girlfriend because it totally affirms them. They say something idiotic and they tell you you're so smart. You better, right? But you're missing growing and contributing. If you're missing growing and contributing, you will not feel fulfilled. You as a person, if I read your books correctly and I didn't read them all, but that piece of it probably the best lesson you got early in life was there's the science of achievement, there's the art of fulfillment. There are two different skills. If you want to shorten a life, you need both. You go to the east, they're really great about fulfillment. They can live in poverty and feel totally happy and connected to God of the universe. You come here and people can have an incredible external life, but they're internal life often not so nice. They get really pissed off because they didn't get their special sauce on their burger, right? It's a different world. I believe you can merge those two.

13:21How? You master the science of achievement. There are rules to achieve as you well know. We're an old book with 33 rules in it. Me too, right? So I know those rules. I know books on finance, three of them. I want an answer. Is it still possible to win the financial game because so many young people think it can be done. So I interviewed 50 of the greatest financial people alive today. All started with nothing. All billionaires, nobody from the Lucky Spurm Club. They all did it on their own. Ray Dalie, a Carl Icon, Warren Buffet, all of them. And guess what I found? They're all different, but I'm a modeler. I found the strategies that are common between them and I applied them. I taught other people, wrote the books, but I applied on myself. That's how my businesses and my life grew geometrically. I modeled, I didn't have to learn on my own experience. You follow? I've got to ask you some questions. There's some those two points. So on these six needs, because I also want to ask you about the 50 rich people that you've interviewed for the books, but on those six needs, when you look at someone like me and you look at the broad world that I'm heading towards as a 30-year-old man, what configuration of these needs? Well, I'll tell you what creates all the pain first.

14:24Okay, please. So if I go to room and I'll say, I explain these needs like I have. I know this is going to lecture here. I didn't mean to be that, but I just want to share because I'm so passionate about it. And I'll get people to understand what they are. And then I ask them, I want you right down what you think your top two needs have been, not in what you want, but in the way you've been living. Because people might want love, but they think they have to be significant before they can get it, or they might want love, but they want certainty that level never go away. You follow me? And so that modifies things. And I'll say, so the way you live, the way you live, where it would have been the top two. And then I say, I want you to write a paragraph about what's the downside of having that one so high on your list. And it's amazing. So then I say, now write what you think your list top two should be to go to the next level of your life. Okay? Let's have that. You do that. What do you think your top needs? I see you doing it right. I love how active you are. So what would you say your top two have been up until now? I think if I'm being completely honest. Yes. And I'll, by the way, I want to thank you because I watched several of your pieces and

15:25you are. You're not functioning about people. I'm just going to die some day. So there's no, even if being honest makes me look bad. It's like because my, of course, like significance of course, especially from where I came from. Yeah. That was the big problem was, you know, being different and not in a good way. That's right. And then I would say, interestingly, it feels like uncertainty and significance. I really, really high for me because yes. Yes. And for some reason, I have a very huge appetite for uncertainty. Yeah. That's right. You're wired that way in a beautiful way. It also leads to learning for you. That's one of your vehicles for learning. Is it not? Yeah. Dropping out of school, stopping going to school when I was young, dropping out of university, quitting jobs where, you know, I shouldn't have quit them after a month. Which by the way, if certainty was your top need, would you have done that? No. No. Completely. So the units down, these are, I'm talking about the six controlling forces of your life. There's a million stories about your life, but there's only six reasons you do anything. Yeah. You have all these stories, but reasons.

16:26So what would you say would be the downside of that? There about, whether it would have been the upsides, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're sitting here because they're upsides. Your desire for significance made you look for significant ideas, significant application, succeed in the downsides of wanting significance at the top. Not because it's valuable. Significance is valuable period. Everyone's aware. Yeah. But it's the sequence. So if it's the top, you're less, what's the downside? The me it costs me connection and love and all these, and some of these other opportunities. That's correct. Which is what you really want underneath at all. Yeah. Your desire for significance really came from the fact that you were not loved and connected by people. People judge you to call your skin. They put you in a community where you were different. You're outside the, so it's like, I'll show them. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Which by the way, it was a very healthy response, right? Yeah. But now at this stage of your life, this is the gift that you have now at this stage of your life, right? You're entering this second season, right? Yeah. Now, you don't have to be driven by that anymore. Yeah. You're more significant. Yeah. Like, what more are you going to do to this?

17:26No significant. I'm sure you'll find more significant things to do, but you've done so many significant things. You've helped millions of people. I'm sure through your insights, your elements, you've written books, you've built businesses, and you're only 33 years old. It's pretty, if an awesome, right? So now you get the leisure of being able to sit back and say, now with the greater level of consciousness, what would I daily be at my top, too? What would you say your top to need to be to have the next level of your life, to go to the next level for you? It's really easy for me to answer this question. Connection and love and the need to grow and give. Yes. Yes. Well, those are two different ones. Connection, okay. Growth and contribution of those two, which one do you think is even more important for you? Oh, God, of those two. Yeah. It's hard because one you can see is the vehicle to the other. Yeah, exactly. I understand that, but I'm asking a different question. I'm saying, which is more important to feel, experience? It would be contribution. Yes. So for you, you're saying love and contribution? I'm saying love and contribution. And what order? Love first and then contribution. It's a good choice. I tried it. My head, I tried the other way around that I thought, no, it's almost like that, like monks

18:30have said to me many years ago that you need to fill up your cups so you have something to pour out for others. Yes. And that's what I was thinking of. I was thinking, it doesn't work. That's why it's choice. Most people would make that choice. I, for most of my life, was contribution first and then love. It was my way of earning love. And so like I'd be on stage for 13 hours, and this is before people had phones and everybody wants to sign something and give me a hug. I work my guts out. And then that was my take it in time. So I'd be there, finish it one, thirty or two in the morning, and I'd be there till three thirty till every person had an autograph, got, you know, their hug and everything else. Now it's pictures a lot faster. But that was my life. I met my wife, Sage, changed my entire life. She didn't care that I was Tony Robbins. She just loved me. And all of a sudden, I never thought 12,000, 15,000, 20,000 people of love pouring at you could compare one person to a pair. But way beyond that. So now I've finished it and when I give my guts, I go to one in the morning, but then I get up and I leave, right? You know, I take pictures in the middle of the day and then but then I leave at that time

19:31and I go home and be with my wife. And it's switch where love is there because think about this. If contribution is first and this is what a lot of people do, then it's a way to protect yourself from feeling rejected. Because if I, I'm always giving to you truly generously over beyond it, you can then imagine and then you treat me like shit, well, then you're clearly the problem, right? I don't have to think I'm not enough. So, but the more honest way is love because if it's love first, now I'm giving because I want to not because I have to. Does that make sense? So tell me how you think that would change your life if you made love and contribution your top to and the way you actually live. Because you already value love and contribution, but if they were the highest priority, how would it shift your life at the better in your mind? I feel like I would be significantly less stressed. You were correct. You were absolutely correct. So when I ask the audience this, I have them write down and I've got 15,000 people and I'll say, okay, how many have certainty on your list? And they've come to an event that has a fire walk, right? And you get like 50, 60% of the rooms in their top two of their list, right?

20:32Because it's in our culture, it's still the most important one. It's the foundation. It's the one that's going to have the biggest problem with AI because they want things to stay the same and life isn't. The only thing is for certain is change. And now rapid change, like geometrically rapid change. Okay, variety, small number, significance, shuff through the roof. Social media has made significance disproportionate in our culture and it's why people are so unhappy. You used to maybe compare it most yourself to your neighbors or your friends. Now you compare yourself to a billionaire, which there's only 3,000, right? And so you're like, my life's not that great anymore. Or you compare it to pictures that have been doctored. A friend of mine owns a Germany says, tell you, you can't believe it. Women and men come in here who are influencers. They lay everything out and then they do their video and they never work out. They're 27 years old. They don't have to work out for shit. And they do a minute workout. They got jeans. They're just fine. They don't even do the workout. It's all pictures. It's all bullshit, right? You know, because it makes me so mad because real people, they're working hard to make something happen. So that's why people get so women, especially depressed comparing themselves to images

21:34that are not even real, right? It's totally absurd. So when I do with the audience though, certainty and significance is 80% of the room, right? There's growth, people, contribution people, but that's the dominant force because of our cultural conditioning and because certainty is basically a survival tool. Then I've asked them to do what you did and I say, okay, tell me, I don't tell them anything. Like I didn't tell you anything. And then I say, okay, who has certainty on their list now? In a room of 15,000 people, 12,000 people, there might be like five. Okay, there's five people that really don't like pain. They'll point that out to them and they look at me and then I go, okay, how many you got, you know, variety, you'll be more variety. How many got significance? The number plummets, just like it did with you people. I didn't tell them anything. Their own intelligence knows this, right? How many got love through the roof, right? Contributions through the roof, growth through the roof, those are the ones that expand. And then we show people how to condition that though because it's one thing to know it. It's another thing to our training it in your body to make those priorities happen in your life, right? Just like any other habit, looking at anything else.

22:35You have to build the neurology of that. You have to practice putting yourself in those states over and over again where you make the value based on love or you make the value based on contribution. See before you do something to be significant and you miss out on some of the love. Now, love is probably always what you want it. That's why you can make that decision so quickly, right? But now I'm going to go for that first, not this secured as round. By the way, you will still be significant. You'll be loving first and you'll be contributing and that will make you significant. Is it really possible to change like that deeply? No, not at all. I've never been able to do that. No, no, I have 49 here. I've never seen that happen. No, I was thinking really, really deeply about what you were saying and I was thinking there will be some people that are listening. And I think there was maybe a part of me, my conscious that's like, because that's a journey I've never gone on before. I've never shifted from the... Well, you're not going to do it by discussion. You have to have leverage. What is that? However, you have to have something you value more than your present way of doing things.

23:38Leverage can be pain or pleasure, right? So, let my fiancee... You're fronsey. I understand how you got to LA. A little leverage, right? Her love, her happiness for joy. Oh, that's beautiful. That's a face, my girl. You and Sage. That's awesome. You're going to put people's day with their pictures. That's impressive. It's a beautiful photo. I love her so much. We've been together 25 years. I love her more today than ever before. She has a force in nature this woman. Really, really great. But yes, she's leverage in my life. My youngest daughter's massive leverage, you know, it's four and a half years old. It's beautiful. But I'll give an example. I worked with a woman one time on stage and she was a colon therapist and a vegan. But she was always sick because she's so stressed all the time trying to be perfect at everything. There's a constriction in her body, right? And the level of stress was just ridiculous, right? So I was trying to get her to see, have some other options about what to do without boring the whole story. I'm looking for leverage always.

24:39That's how you get someone to make a change. You got to get, make change a must, not a should. Not me making it to you. If I put a gun to your head, that's leverage. But some people rather die than then to your will. You have to find out what moves that person. It's unique for everyone. Not what motivates them. I hate the word motivation. I've never used it. I don't know your drives. Look, if you're fat, you're motivated to eat. I want to know what's underneath. I don't know what those the drives are. So this woman, I'm trying to help her make changes and I show her these things and see the consequences and she wouldn't change. I wouldn't change. So I finally, I said, I got to push this light. It's like, I said, how long I wouldn't tell her this. I asked. I said, how long with a person with a level of stress, what these things you're doing and these ailments, how long will the person like that live if they don't change? And she paused and she thought and she said, probably to 35, how old are you? 32. It's like, okay, she's going to change now. Maybe she's going to do it, right? That's the leverage. She's got to change. But I can't change. I just can't. It's just how my life is.

25:40I said, well, I said, this session is on videotape, you know? And I said, how do you think your daughter's going to feel when she's carrying your coffin and she knows that you knew you could shift this and you didn't? This is pretty intense. The main chief thinks she's going to die if she didn't do it, she probably could. So I'm picking up big leverage, right? She's going to know that that's horrible, but I can't change. And part of my head, I'm like, holy shit, she's not going to change here. What the hell is going to change her? And then I said to her, I said, yeah, what if her new mother is a meat eater and she exploded on stage? That is not happening. I will not make this happen. I mean, she went berserk. And she goes, fine, I'm changing this now. Like there is always leverage. There is something that will make change a must and not a should. Change is never a matter of ability. It's always a matter of strong enough reasons of motive. If you got strong enough reasons, you can do just about anything.

26:41But if you have weak reasons, you're not going to do anything. So the fact that you understand this is our discussion. In an event, you'd be in a rather, rather peak state and I take you through a process of consequence where you will envision what the consequences are and then you can make that shift. And you still got a condition that this specific change is the hardest one. I think a lot of people might say I was thinking forward as life events to come and becoming a father. Yes, it's often that will do that. Well, absolutely shift a lot of people. Becoming a father, getting married, falling in love, there's certain events losing people will make you reevaluate things. Haining a birthday, you know, you're 33. When you hit your 40th birthday, I'm sure you don't think it will be any different. I remember people telling you that, but you tend to reevaluate for some weird reason or a culture. And after 40, usually a five year or 50 year or 60 year, it's just part of the way we look at life. There's a process you go through and there will be different things that trigger you. But when you want a real lasting change, you have to change the driving force.

27:42When we change these, it's changing your values. So again, like think about how your brain is a predictor and it's trying to close the gap between what it's predicting what reality is. When it's not working, it looks for an answer. When you get to the point where your old strategy doesn't work enough and you have enough pain, you will search for something new. And if at that time we can give you something that actually works, you'll grab it. It's like, if you're drowning in a sea of confusion and I throw your life around, you're not going to go, I don't like the color. You're going to grab a hole and it comes into your unconscious. And the last thing I'd say about that is it's also about going beyond your conscious mind, right? If you ever try to do something and then sabotage yourself, it's just consciously you want to one thing, subconsciously another. I believe all lasting change happens in an altered state. When I say an altered state, you call it hypnosis, I tell you, I'm a dehypnotist. Most people walk around in hypnosis. People tell me like, you can't hypnotize me and they're going to hypnotize state in that moment. Do you ever drive your car and then something cuts your attention and you stay focused

28:44on it too long and also you realize, holy shit, who's been driving the car? Yeah, you have that shit? That was a hypnosis state. Hypnosis just means you're inside, not outside most of the time. And in a hypnotic state, what goes in goes in deeper than in just a conscious state. That's why I like doing storytelling and my wife and I, there's certain things in life that just shouldn't happen that are inhuman and trafficking is one of them. We had a friend that's child was taken in trafficking. It was the most brutal thing. So I got us involved and so we've contributed to 72,000 children being saved. I've gone out on some of these undercover with scars on my face and elements. It's the most brutal thing you can possibly imagine. But I tell you this because when you witness certain things in life that are so intense, they alter you. They change you. They change what you value. They change what you make important in your life. And so what I say to people, you want your life to keep growing, keep putting yourself in new environments, keep getting around things you're not used to and let something hit you.

29:44People don't know their passions because they keep going to doing the same things. It's like get around where it's better and see what hits you. And something's going to strike you. Something's going to wake you up. Something is going to make you feel more desire, more want to give something to life as opposed to just live your life. Because the life you described to those people is predictable. You get familiarized. You get in pain. I mean, you look at people in Auschwitz, you know, the Mansour Chameenings on my favorite books. You read it? Vixie Frank, yeah. And I about the rights of making the movie. Really? On a recent I was talking about the fun of the kids as I made the sound of freedom. Did you see it? Yes. So we beat Disney that we can people that would never happen, right? But that movie changed people, radically woke them up, brought resources to the table, created real shift. Mansour Chameenig I think can do that as well. But in those places, they get habituated to the pain. You get habituated pain or pleasure. That's why we've got to grow. And when we grow, we get that life cycle. We feel more alive. And then we got something to share. And then we feel meaning.

30:45And then it's like a virtuous cycle. And life gets better and better. What you just listened to was a most replayed moment from a previous episode. If you want to listen to that full episode, I've linked it down below. Check the description. Thank you.