Nightcap Hour 2: LIVE from Las Vegas - Max Kellerman, Zab Judah & Richardson Hitchens Join!

0:00If you're bookshelf and you're for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture. With your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed, so obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman, Angel Jaretana, Jeremy Cole, Hank Cash McDonald, and we're the hosts of the artist on artist on artist on artist podcast. The Improvized Character Comedy podcast were each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on a lowly. It's right up next to the microphone. I hear you get the elbows here. The eyelashes hit each other. You never seen it least so quiet as when the Pope gets up to ring on Halloween.

1:02Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So like by Asia Revan or so, at least 70% have a phone. I'm Dr. Joy, and this is therapy for black girls. We spend our surviving middle school run getting into what's happening inside your kids brain, the group chat, and their friendships, and what you can do about it. Your child is not doing this on purpose. That's the kind of perspective we've been pulling from the psychologists and psychiatrists who study this for living. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Our hometown is not a test tube. 90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America, plays out in one small town. The developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land. We need cities on a shining hill. This is our town. A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch

2:04of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. College football will hijack your weekend, ruin your sleep, and break your heart. And that's why we make the Sullivan-Berbill College football show. I'm Ty Hildenbrand. He's Dan Rubenstein. Every week we preview the games that matter in the storylines that are going to ignite your group chat. And you can join us in the aftermath as we react to what happened, why it matters and how the sport went completely bonkers yet again. Listen to the Solid Verbal College football show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

3:05Listen, last fight. How you feel? I felt good. Yes, I felt really good at 47. The seven extra pounds helped me out. And in no rehydration clause, it felt like another day in the gym. Right, as far as obviously going up and weight, dealing with different opponents at that weight, is there a difference with your power, with your power, carry over? How did that feel? Yeah, I feel like my punches have more snap on it, sharper, crisper. I felt really good, honestly, on my first fight I won 47. And just the comtability of like, how I felt in the gym. I won 40. I was walking around maybe an upwards of 68, 168 to 178. So that's a lot of weight. And then I had an iB every hydration clause. I couldn't even gain more than 10 pounds to the day to fight. So yeah, so my days was numbered. How did the speed? Because obviously when you move up, sometimes the speed dissipates as you move up and weight, because you're a lot faster than 35, not here you are at 47. How does the speed compare to that the light of weight? I feel like the speed is the same because I was really a 47 pounder the whole time.

4:07Okay, I was just sucking down some extra pounds to make 40. Yeah. Hey, do you think elite boxes have a responsibility to entertain or is getting the dub is the main thing? Uh, I feel like it depends on level you on. Right. The level you are on because, um, I mean, I feel like if you're fine like a megafight, if I was in there with somebody like a dev in Haney or like a, uh, uh, a big fight. I'm a big day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like the fans would be, would, it wouldn't stay my career if I didn't entertain the fans. But and I got to W. Yeah, absolutely. I see fluid fluid doing numerous nights. Oh, yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. You joined Zuffa boxing? What went to the decision to join Zuffa? Um, to be honest, I spoke over with so many different promotional companies when I became a free agent from Eddie. Yes. We spoke to Eddie spoke to, I sat down with, um, Oscar De La Hoya, Tom Ring and all of them wanted me. But Zuffa, they came with the best offer as far as the money wise as far as like seeing my vision. I feel like a lot of different promoters,

5:09they'll try to like, they money that is bigger. Zuffa. So they can't do a car, a lot of cards in New York, at least coaches, it costs to like those showing New York with Zuffa. There was like, down with making me a star while I'm at. I have me fighting Vegas, Orlando. Like he's a New York fighter. He's a East Coast fighter. Let's build him here. And once I heard that in the mean, I'm like, yeah, I didn't sign. Hey, now you look at the landscape 147 right now. Is there anybody that you have your eyes on a set that you like to fight next? I always wanted to never hate me fight. The devil, hate me fight. Um, devil, hate me or Tio Fimo or Ryan Garcia. The guys that was the stars at 140. They still the stars now. Right. Right. Um, and I feel like, yeah, Tio Fimo, Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia, those are the established names and then the names right under that would be like, Roli, Keeshawn Davis or Brian Norman. Why does this so difficult for us, for me as a boxing fan, as a boxing enthusiast, why is it so difficult for you to be able to name the people that you

6:10want to fight? And it never really happens. Is it that much politics that comes in the play? Uh, yeah, I don't know. I like, I don't know what it, what is it about boxing while a certain fight isn't happening. Like, even just now I was talking about talking about it. I don't know why I had nobody talking about Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney too. That's still didn't get settled. Nobody is talking about that at all. But I feel like, um, these fights don't get, don't happen because they're, I feel like just different things is always happening in the background. Like, just never know like what's going on. One minute, you'll think Keeshawn Davis and Devin Haney's fighting. Then that fight followed through then now I'm in talks with Keeshawn. So we don't know if that's going to go through it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, turbo, turbo, we keep in the fight. Yeah, we're in talks about making a fight. That's going to be a good one. That's a chest man. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's a good chest man. I like that. Yeah, talk about this fight. Ryan Garcia, your corner being it. Um, what do you like? At first, I was going to corner because I had a bad taste of my mouth and went to Ryan for it. Rolly. Yeah, I feel like

7:11the minute he got dropped by Rolly, he was gunshot. Yeah. And what helped Rolly get that W as Rolly was extremely patient. Right. Because if you look at Ryan, Ryan is a reactive type of fight. Yeah, even when he caught Devin with the hook in the first round, I was devin through a jab like that and boom, he reacted with a hook. I feel like with Ryan in, um, corner, I don't know if corners ask patient as a Rolly because he don't really, he don't really got nothing else to like why they like in the middle of the rain posing and he ain't going to flick a jab, he ain't going to hit Ryan with no sharp jab. So you're going to be looking for a big power shot and that's when Ryan going to be sharp and using his speed and catching. Yeah, looking to pick him up. Yeah, I got a question. I'm glad you said that when I look at Ryan fight, I think Ryan relies on speed too much. He relies on that one shot that left hook. Right happens when corner being nullifies that one that one shot. He showed what happened. What happened with Connor Brinn is aggressive comes in high guard and he smothered him and try to make him uncomfortable. Oh, no, yeah, it's ball game. It's lit because we know Ryan can't fight. Ryan already don't really know how to fight in a in a in a like an

8:18engaging. Yeah, engaging. He needs like some type of space to make his. So I want to do his up in his his face. Yeah, in the pocket. Yeah, he's back. Yeah, he gave me back. So you're spoken about your friendship with Shakur. How have you guys been able to support each other? Shakur as a professional. He's he's I mean, Shakur is helping support me since the amateur. Wow. Just with always giving me wisdom, always being in the gym with me. Put me in position when I was younger. I remember I have no money and telling him I'm messed up right now. He put in me like in a power rate commercial with him. So he always was able he was always like helping me. Even as a professional, if I need a small partner, he'll be like, I'm I'm gonna get this kids to come to the gym. I'm gonna take care of it. I'm gonna take care of him. Like I'm make sure you're ready for this fight. So he always he's always there to support me as a professional. He's always been a good friend for me to me. How long you been in the fight game? Period. Yeah, period. Yeah, since 12. 13. 12. Yeah, 12. 13. I was that. Hey, what was the moment you you you realized that boxing could change your life in your

9:21family's life? When I went to Olympics really at 18 and then I was there with like Floyd Maywell to send that send now in Brazil. We talked about trying to professional and I'm like, damn, I could really like be something in boxing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've always wanted to be a fight from time to 12. You always want to be a fight. No, I didn't. You didn't. I was I wasn't I wasn't doing a beat people up in the street. I said I didn't want to but I didn't want to fight or nothing like I was I'm coming though. You didn't want to block you want to fight. Yeah, I know how to like we go outside. I met at a at a school party center. I made a beat anybody. But then I just loved it. Right. I love the hand wraps. It was so cool to me putting on hand wraps. I love the pads. Yeah. People hitting the pads like Floyd. Yeah. And I just I started I see a kid named Bruce Carrington walking to a gym. Okay. And I was like this dude fight like Maywell. I don't know. I'm like I can't get close to Maywell. I'm a train with this dude and I'm going to start picking up these skills from him and I started just being around him. Then I messed your court and I after that I was going to tournaments and now I'm a full-fledged boxer. And then I remember sitting

10:22down. I was at a tournament in ringside and I was looking at the TV and all the coaches before the tournament started. Everybody gathered gathered around in the hotel room and made a big commotion and it was a guy named Marcus Brown and Olympics. This was 2012 Olympics and I'm looking like what is this? They like it's the Olympics. Like it's big. So for them five years of me being in the amateurs I was like I got to make it to Olympics and when I did make it to Olympics I was like I'm a term professional and go all the way with it. Wow. That's unbelievable. Yeah. So you and a Kishan might have something going on. Yeah. You excited about this? I'm the tunity. Of course. It's a great opportunity. It's a really really great opportunity for my career. Is it going to be on the East Coast? It's going to be on the way. It's going to be here in Vegas. Originally supposed to be in New York. Now I'm here and they try to put it somewhere like Europe. Somewhere. Yeah. Under the Anthony Joshua and I thought I thought Purie said that fight was off. I don't know what's going on. I'm supposed to be in a car. I'm just selling. I'm wearing it. Right. Man that's unbelievable man. What congratulations on your career man.

11:25Yes sir. Down the road man and come back. Hey when you get that bill come back and talk to him. Yes sir. Well thank you for getting your rope. You need a sparring partner and camp partner. That's what I'm going to need a tall linky soap. He ain't no soap auto. I ain't no soap auto. Yeah he ain't no soap auto man. orthodox man. I don't been in the gym with him. He pretend like he's a man. Oh okay. Oh I want to fight Zab too right. We got a man. Man what you call him scoop.

12:29You so quick. Huh? A bird. Hey man. That's not the man for the head of the head of the fish. I had to get out the fan. Damn. You know you know why he scooped me right. Right. He scooped. He ain't wanting to he knew he knew he didn't want none of that. But he has you know he's going to drop you on your head bro. He's growing that. Yeah. Yeah. He was. He was. See you know you thinking about boxing he's telling me I was. Are you know it's funny. That's what I told him. I told him. Hey we need to when I went interview him. And I'm like no I bought that effort. And so he was. He was killing and I did him what he did. That's why he said no gravy like that. Yeah. I did. Just like he did on you. Muah. Me off all day long. I'm not. They're the street by. They don't buy the new. But not, but it was nice. Have a bud. I appreciate. Very nice. That was done 30 minutes more than what he was supposed to get. It was supposed to be him 15. And he was here for 45 minutes. And so we appreciate that bud. Yeah. Unbelievable student of the game.

13:30Unbelievable Boston IQ. Like I said, I don't know why he doesn't get more credit for his boxer in IQ. his ring, ringmanship, I mean blood special. Like I said, I saw him fight Spence, I saw him fight, Conello, yeah, that Conello fight, man. That was good. That was good. That was a stand, but he stepped that thing with that one. Did you see the spills fight? Did you come see him with Vegas? Nah, I wiped on TV. Okay. That Conello fight, huh? I seen it. Not knowing which way it would go. You understand how good Crawford is. You understand how good Conello's been. Yeah. So it was trying to kind of hard to predict, because you don't know what's going to happen that way. I mean, you fight, you fight, you fight the one. Going up that high? Yes, you fight the line in his den. Boy, he had an answer for everything. Everything, everything Conello threw. He had an answer for everything. But you know, you heard him say he studied him though. Yeah. He did his homework. You know, you know everything in his den? He been studying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For a minute. Man, it was like, I was like, man, I was on the edge of my seat. He'd laugh, I said, bud, you got this thing.

14:31The last two rounds just, hey, don't get dropped. That's it. You're the, I don't know what the judges saw. They're around the game. Yeah. I don't know what they were looking at. Yeah, bud, bud, real student of the game, man. Real student of love and passion. That's why he said for so long. Yeah, you got him talking about something that he really enjoyed. Yeah, bro, this had to go. And the thing is, man, bud was a wrestle. Rassul did not end school. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joey, haven't changed. Yeah. I rattle too, Joe. I rattle. Man, his son just won, his son just won state. Not by hand. Yeah. But bud, bud, bud is different. Blood is like blood got aside in him. It was a little flim. Yeah. But he'll, he'll, he'll, I mean, he, yes, he loved talking about boxing. But just to get him away and to talk about other things, he loved, he loved sports in general. He loved sports. He loved talking about sports. He loved, man, he was, man, it was great to have him on top. We're going to have Zav, Zav super due to coming to the, coming to the stage shortly.

15:32And then we're going to finish up with Max Kellerman. They better hurry up. I feel like my work ain't done. I got to go take club Shisha today at five. Are you doing it yet? I ain't doing it yet. Five today. So I got to go home, change, change shirts, I ain't changing shirts, pants. I'll get back down here. You want to get out of the night, Joe? Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm going to tell my lady in my life. I'm going to go on. They'll tell me how much to take out. I'm going to know before the bank close now. Five. I'm going, baby, I need to take out five thousand. The gamble with them. I don't know what the fuck I'm going to be doing. Yeah, buddy, we gamble tonight. They're going to show me how, yeah. Hey, what brother? He left? Man, standing looking for brother. Yeah, I think brother. You might be over there. No, you might be over there. All of the smoke over there. Huh? All the smoke? Yeah. I think you're over there. What's that? I think I'm funny.

16:33How much that deal? That's not real? That's yours? Let me see it. Let me hold it real quick. You want that, Ash? Doing what? Hey, Chad. But you'll guess what? She'll give it back. She don't know how to stop. Hey, Chad. She can't stop. She won't stop until the heaven ought to give it all back. Hey, Chad, you see how much I won last night? Huh? Huh? Hey, money bag, yo. Y'all don't want to see me? Don't worry. Don't worry about it. They're having back. Yeah, he won't stop. They don't have to do no money spray like me, bro. That's how they know once you hit them, you got to come back, especially. You think you were looking for me again? There you go. You don't lose all that answer. 2000, 3000, 2000, 2000, five. 9, 11, 12.

17:37That's how you roll, huh? Hey, we might need to go back there at 20 now, but it's less than, huh? Yeah, a little bit funny. That's all to take. That's going to take me in. Hey, listen, this somebody rent now? Yeah. I don't know who for $1,000. I don't know what you living in for $1,000. They ain't paying no rent. Hey, man, hello. Hello. They ain't paying no rent today. And I'm excited to see this fight tomorrow. See what's really going on. Can't wait, right? Everybody don't talk to get great game. Now it's time to put up a shut up. Ain't nobody talking, talking over with. Yeah, man. Hey, hey, hey. Ain't nobody made way. That was $145.5. Brian's talking about it, ain't he? That would be safe. Wait, baby. All right. Shit, let him sum. I'm just trying to see how you're not going to count fast. I used to be in a little competition back in high school. Who would count? Watch this. Watch how fast. I'm not having to hit my high school, ain't man.

18:4013,000? Joe, you're not going to count fast? Brian. No. Yeah, you know, ain't. I want you to talk to me slow, so I know. Don't talk to me fast. Don't count fast. Yeah, I let you. I slow it down. Yeah. Yeah. You got to peel them off, little Joe. Huh? Oh, yeah. I just ain't want to lick my finger. I don't know what the money been. Well, it's going to be back in that thing if you ain't careful. Who we got? He know it. Now, he working right now. I want to be rude. I'm excited for the fight. I'm excited to see some of the fights that they talking about. The undercover. Yeah, I came on here with that. I want to know that Jerry and Duke. Yeah, I didn't realize that he said, trained with him. I ain't even know that we're young. That's crazy. I want to see what you call him. What? I want to see, no, I want to see some of these fights that everybody

19:40talked about happening. Oh, my man here talking about, oh, he's a shot. Hands. That's a good one. Yeah, that's what I want to see. You know, you know, the Nigerian dude, the tall one. Yeah. You know what his training is? Pedro. I'm a gal codon trainer for a Floyd. Yeah. I didn't know that I'm a trainer with Pedro too. I don't know, but who he fighting on? The Nigerian dude, the big fight. Somebody that got some power on him. Some heavyweight. Yeah. Well, he definitely looked, he looked the part on it. Yeah, he did. That's a big boy, man. I want to see some. Yeah, he looked, I mean, six, I mean, he was six, five, six, six. Yeah. Big boy. He was a big dude. We got a, who is here? Actually, the hairy up and come. So, uh, did the bug over there? He did. I'm trying to say the fights that we can get. I mean, most of the fights, uh, Ochoa, is that 40 and 40 and 47?

20:42Yeah. Tank, the mod roach. Tank, that 140, 147. 40. 40. Huh? If you're a bookshelf and you're a four-year page or equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. So obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. So, like, if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, and that is a Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers

21:42who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hi, this is Kylie Breikman, Angel Jaretana. Jeremy Cole, Hane Cash, McDonald. And we're the hosts of the artists on artists on artists on artists podcast. The improvised character comedy podcast were each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is foe journal. I don't know, I think you guys are to foe journaling. Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So you're, so we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako in the Pousin Papers Cranes by Audrement Donald at the Wonderland Bookstore 14. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore yesterday, and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Doctor 30. No way. I have to come to the last bookstore, though.

22:43Kim Katrol is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He, he winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone. I hear you get the elbows here. The eyelashes hate each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on the IHIRD Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America? Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is high nears and apple etch. But they weren't just planning houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life. Stop right there. Is that normal?

23:45A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment. God need men to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here. Our hometown is not a test to. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies, now did you? Listen to our town on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Buy Asia Rather and our sell at least 70% have a phone. Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy and this is therapy for Black girls. We spent real time on it in our surviving middle school run, bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist who's raising two black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological, air psychological chaos happening all this in town.

24:46We got into group chats and gaming, friendships and bullying, and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust. You're belonging. You could think of belonging as I can be myself and I can still be accepted. And then they're fitting in. Spitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid rejection. Then we turn the conversation toward the fathers, sitting down with therapists, cure games on black fatherhood, and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have more shorts so you can't do flips. You have on the dress here, across your legs. That's the range of this run. From screen time to identity to the fathers doing the work at home. How to get off her device. But the reality is there's a lot of light out there that we don't want you as your adult in the life to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who spend their careers thinking about exactly this. I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

25:46You know the feeling. You make a pick in your fantasy draft in the entire room groans because they wanted that player. Or you grab a small school rookie off waivers and you start him right before he goes off in prime time. There's no better feeling than crushing your fantasy football league. I'm JJ Zacharyson, host of the late-round fantasy football podcast. Before your draft, our players to target and players to avoid episodes tell you exactly who to circle and who to cross off. We've got data-driven analysis, historical trends, and the strategies that separate winners from the rest. And your dominance doesn't stop with the draft. All season long, we have our 15 transactions, 10 trends, sleepers, and the mail back. Data-driven, quick hitting episodes to help bring home that league trophy. Listen to the late-round fantasy football podcast on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Nicole Liyokin says he has had enough of fans of approaching him in public. And wants to be left alone.

26:47I'm getting more and more bothered by popularity. This is going to sound corny, but I'm getting rooted to people who are approaching me. Honestly, it's tiring. Some people around me know I don't take pictures because it's my time. I sound rude again, but I can do it. But what can I do? If people can't understand me, I understand everything. But it's been 11, 12 years or enough is enough. Hey, man. Some guys don't want to have to deal with all that. Okay, Ocho. He's not America. They, and that's what it is. Hey, what are you? If I see him at Denver, he's going to give me a picture. I don't care. I'm a bother you. I never have opportunity to meet you. I never have a chance to see you again. But give me a picture on all that being rude. It come with a territory. It's a part of your job. And I'm going to be nice too. How you doing? You come by better getting into the locker room. You probably going to see him on the street. Nah, not him. And I like horses too. So we could, there's certain things. We could bond on you being rude. And I know about horses too. But you know, that's the thing. That's the difference between you know, a lot of sometimes you're a peeing a foreigner

27:50in an American athlete. Americans, we think you're obligated. You heard Ocho saying it's a part of your job. You feel they feel an obligation that you take time out of your scale and be your busy day. Right. When you don't want to be bothered, you don't want to be bothered. Absolutely. So, somebody else don't want to be bothered. Oh, he rude. Yokes said I'm being rude and rude. And I don't care. That's how you got to go, bro. Sometimes you got to be a little selfish with your time. Yeah, you know, you get, hey, hey, because because Yokes is like a, he more like a mega star. Okay, Ocho, he can't go nowhere, bro. Think about it. So anywhere he goes and somebody see him, it don't matter, bro. They don't want to take the first ball. He's standing down. He brought himself a tall. He's seven foot tall. Yeah, he's seven foot tall. So you, like he can go somewhere and hide and people not know who he is. People going like, man, he got to play basketball. Yeah. Even if you don't follow the sport, you got like somebody to say him for a tall, you automatically. Yeah. Even if he doesn't play basketball, you automatically. Soon that he does something. And so, you know, he's probably with his family. You know, he got, I think he got two little girls now.

28:51You got a wife and brother. When he out in public, he's like, this is my time with the family. I don't get a whole lot of time with my family because I'm playing games. I'm training. I'm trying to be the best player. I can possibly be. And when he's out with his family, he just wants to be left alone. And I get it. And then I totally get it. And then seven foot. It don't matter if they know you play ball or not, they're going to want to picture, bro. Trust you. You know, that's just, that's just the way it is. And the people that, well, who is, who is that? Yeah, I don't know who it is, but I took a picture with him. And it only takes one person. That's it. You know, everybody else, 10 other people, they ain't got to know who you are. Yeah, let me take a look. Can I get one too? They can't get what they say. And they ain't nobody but me. But soon as I take a picture, they're everybody up. Right, right, right. You need one bird. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got some head. Yeah. You flock right down to the back of the harry go, bro. So I definitely can understand what YoKid is talking about. Because sometimes, you know, sometimes, you're not always in the best mood. You're not always in the best mood, man. Sometimes I feel like I ain't a good bod just like, you know what, let me go and stay my black ass home.

29:53And when people talk about being celebrities, that's the, you know, that's the overrated thing. Because it's hard to be normal when you get to a certain point. Yeah, bro, you can't go, you can't go to the grocery store. You can't go to these different retail places. You know what I mean? Without being bothered, they're just going to come with it. Well, y'all better get ready. I'm going to be honest. You think y'all, you think y'all too famous now? Give me, give me another. What? Give me another six months. Six months? What? What? We're going to need security. We wouldn't be able to walk through this hotel, boy. Oh, man. When we walked that, I walked that the back way. I didn't go through the back. Okay, my back. I didn't go through the bayonet you see anyway. Yeah, Joe, it's going to be crazy in a minute, bro. I'm not. We got Zayahm coming to the, uh... Yep. What's up, ass, Jack? I'm going to ask Jack, what do you think about this fight, man? Yeah. No, yeah, you can start it up there. Yeah, I'm going to start that thing off. I'm going to do something then you start it up.

30:56What? What? What? What's going to be that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I hope we get a good fight. The last thing, the last thing I want to see have happened is that this build up, and everybody talking about this fight, they come out there and be a good. Yeah. Yeah, that's worse. I know one thing. What? If Connor come out then there's aggressive off jump, because Ryan can't fight in the pocket. Yeah. Once he's smothered him and making him uncomfortable, and do all that turning, what's going to be a long night? Come on, come on. You good? You good. Yeah. Got Zab, Super Judah, Jordan. What's up, bro? You good? Yeah. What's good? What's good? What's good? What's good? What's good? Yeah. Go ahead, don't jump. What's up? Listen, you've always been a student of the game, man. Very sharp. Very good at what you do. The sweet side of the general. Garcia been. How you see it playing out? Basin, you know, skills, I mean, styles always makes fights. Basin and styles need two fighters. I want to hear your, your, your, your honest opinion on who you got. I think match up wise is good. You know, at first, when kind of, when, when kind of put those pictures out.

31:56Yes, of the weight of the wage man. I was like, ooh, I was, I was kind of worried, you know what I'm saying? But then seeing him yesterday, he looked very energetic, very full, very healthy. So I said, you know, maybe those AI pictures are the same. Yeah, you know, that was like a psychological mental game right there. You know, I'm saying, you know, if he did that for a psychological mental game, that was, that was very smarter. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I think that, when I kind of said a fight, I got a chance to see Kana and L.A. training. You know, he's faster than what I thought he was. Right. I'm saying he's a very big guy, a very big young kid. And you know, I just think that, you know, if he could put together some good, some good punches, and you know, you know, keep coming forward, he might be successful. And then on, on, on, on the other hand, I think, I think Kana Ben is, he's not a guy that I think that's coming to the fight to get knocked out. He's coming to bring it. I believe that for him to be successful, he got to make it dirty. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying, you got to be in his chest.

32:56You got to make it uncomfortable for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for. Right. So you, yeah, you, you can't just give him a regular clean fight and lie on the move around and just throw the hook and the move and jab and nope, you got to be in his chest. Press him around, throw him around. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Make it a ugly fight. Wow. And what you call me said that, uh, Ocho was just talking about that, that Ryan doesn't like to fight in the pocket. He needs distance. He needs separation. You get that, like you said, get that hook off. And what, and a lot of times when you look at rolling, rolling neutralize the hook and then land in his shot, right? Just, his con is, his con is kind of patient enough because the thing that if you go and look at it with rolling, when rolling dropped, it rolling with patient. Right. And I think that's what hurt rolling the last fight against P.O. He was too patient. Right. And he got aggressive one round, round five, run that round decisively. And then he went back to being patient and then T.O. Fimo picked him off. So is he going to be, is he going to be patient in this situation because Ryan is looking to let his hands go. We know that. But Ryan is also looking to counter.

33:58So it's, it's kind of going to be patient enough to come back to, to come back, uh, Ryan style. I think being patient in this fight is the wrong fight. You got to be aggressive. Okay. You got to be aggressive. You got to take it. You got to take it to him. Ryan do things that he is not, that he does, that he does not want to do. Okay. Make him throw punches that he does not want to do. Make him use them back at them quads. Make him go back back. You know what I'm saying? Like, we all know, that's no joke, you know what I mean? That ties the legs down quick, you know what I mean? So you can't allow him to come forward. Throw that hook. Get his one two things off. You know what I'm saying? Move around the ring. You can't. You can't. That'll make a bad night for a kind of him. Yeah. What all, what all you've accomplished in the sport of boxing, what's next for you, bro? What you doing now? You still training, working out? What's up? I mean, listen, working out is the lifestyle. Yeah. It's lifestyle for me from the age of six years old to the age of 41. That was my duration of amateur and professional career.

34:58Yeah. I never done nothing else. I never played no other sports. I never had a job, anything. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think now when we be 49 years old, it's embedded into me, you know what I'm saying? I have to work out to tip a therapy. Yeah. It's therapy. It's mental. You know what I mean? And I got to keep going. Am I going to compete again? No. Right. No, I'm not. But just being in that type of shape mentally preparing yourself. Yeah. I enjoy this side of the game. Way, way, way, way, way, way, well. Yeah. You're taking it. I've seen your son, your son, Bob. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How it is? He's, I'm 17. 17? Yeah. Okay. And then I got two, I'm twin boys. They're on cornerbacks. Cornerbacks, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they 11. Oh, they can get this work. They can get this work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and they, and they box and they box. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You raise the soldiers over the age of you. I got soldiers over there. You know what? I got a pop one of football team in California. I'm the SFV charges. Yeah. And I'm saying I'm out there with the Sean Goeson and Reggie Bush as my coaches. Right. And I'm, yeah.

35:59So we are there having a, we having a good time. Actually, they play tomorrow, but I'm going to be here. Yeah. But I know they're going to be successful. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you've been running after your fight. You rewatch the fight with Floyd Mayweather. Now, you say Roger coming up on the apron. Yeah. You say that should have been a DQ. Automatic tomorrow night. It kind of been dead. Gets up on the ring during the fight of the action. They're going to automatically disqualify him. Yeah. Puget, Puget, Puget up there. And this fight, why it was overlooking, or not frowned upon. It's right. You know it beats me. Yeah. Yeah. You know me. Hmm. Do you, have you thought it, so that was, well, we've taken a long way. or not frowned upon as, you know, it beats me. Yeah, me. Mm. Do you have you thought, so that was, was that your first time, so have you thought about like, how different that would have been? Because I don't think anybody wanted to floor. I don't think you really wanted floor to get DQ. You're just saying that's the rules of the, that's just the rules of boxing. That's the rules of boxing. If your corner's stuck on the ring during the action, that's a DQ. But they're hung, what about the knockdown? They overlooked that too. Right. They overlooked the guy coming to ring. It was a lot of things that overlooked that night that could have made a difference in the decision of the fight.

37:00Right. So my whole thing was, and then right after the fight, they accused me of inciting a riot. I was suspended for one year. That's why we never seen a rematch. Right. Right after they got me out the way, ASAP, you know what I'm saying? And then Floyd went ahead and did his career and then by the time I came back from after the year, they already told me he had a full schedule and plans of doing other things. So I was never, you know what I'm saying? You're not getting my rematch, right? You know what I mean? So that's probably why, you know, and we spoke about this. Probably why, you know, I was a little bit salty when I seen Floyd in different places. I was like, look at him like, like, yeah. And I said, like, one night we was in the club and he sent me some champagne over to the table. I said, I sent it back. I said, don't send me champagne. Send me a contract with your name on it. Oh. Yeah. You know, and then he gave me like, what the hell is wrong with you? You know what I mean? You know, that was the competitiveness in myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know. You really wanted that rematch, huh? Yeah.

38:00As a warrior, 100%. You know what I'm saying? I was faster than him. You know, you strasmin' to Floyd? Yeah. You gotta go back and watch it, huh? Yeah, go back and watch it. Now, it was a hell of a fight. The further man you was getting to, it was a hell of a fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, let's say I have a lottery spec form. He's a hell of a fighter. He has, you know, he earned his name. Yeah. I'm saying, as TBE, you know what I'm saying? He has radar defense mechanisms in his head, because I ain't slow. And I was trying to get him out of here. I mean, he was a fraction of an engine. He was, you know what I mean? Yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah. What makes him so skilled at? Because we saw, I know you remember Tweetie Whitaker. Yes. Tweetie Whitaker had, I mean, that head moving like that. But not like Floyd. And Floyd had power also. But Floyd could pick something up and bang him, right back at you. Yeah. Yeah, right. Right. I mean, we've never seen anybody's, I don't know if we've seen anybody's before or since. Tweetie might have been the closest thing that we've seen.

39:02But Floyd took it to a whole new level. Well, he was taught that style from day one. OK. He's never learned any other style. You know what I'm saying? Coming from Roger and his father, that's the style that they had. And they gave it to him. Pernel Whitaker was a different type of animal. You know what I'm saying? Pernel was my coach. Actually, when I won my last war title, you know, he was my professional debut. I was a Coleman event on his car. So sweet people was mine, guy. He had defense like Noah, the Albax on the hampsons 16 years old. So Pernel was a totally different animal. You know what I'm saying? I mean, not taking anything from Floyd. But he wasn't moving like how I'm Pernel was. Yeah. I mean, like I said, if both was great, it was just two different times. Sweet people. Sweet people moving his whole body. Yeah, yeah, Pernel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Floyd worked on more offense than, you know, I'm saying with the deep and Pernel was just, he wanted to show you how. Yeah, yeah. He was like dumb, is he? Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to the holly the other day of him fighting

40:03the De La Hoya. And De La Hoya was swigging. And he was like, oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. He made it. He was about 16 punches, right? Yo, I was just like that. Yeah, that was crazy. That was unbelievable. Yeah. Did you, did you have a, did you ever get an opportunity to see Manuel Gussis fighting person ever? So I used to spar with him, Manuel Gussis. What? In Florida, yeah. Yo, I tell you a funny story. That's my, that's my favorite fighter. Man. He's on the entertainment aspect he brings to the ring. Man, listen to me. We hired him. He came to camp. I don't know, we was fighting in some particular fighter. Yeah. And we hired him. He came, he came to the camp. We got into a real fight the first day, real fight. You know, I know it was half a box. He can do a real fight in the ring, right? That's what I'm saying. It's not crazy. But what happened was when I was jab, he would grab it like this and pull me to him and then hit me. So I never seen this before. I never, I never felt this. I never seen this. And I was like, you can't do that. Right.

41:03You know what I'm saying? First of all, what are you doing? Because you know, you don't really understand it. You can't hit. And I'm like, what the hell is he doing? I just felt my arm getting jerked and then he cracking me. Anyway, I told him to calm down. He can't do it. He kept doing it and then we got into a rut. You know, I kind of like, I was wild about you. I kind of scooped him up and slammed him and then got him tussed on the ground. And I was like, but I mean, I guess I have a lot of respect for him. He was a hell of a hell of a fighter with his own style. I don't think that, and that's crazy. You say that was your favorite fighter. I don't think he was given enough credit for who he was. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he was the first guy to go in and enjoy blood from Floyd. Yes. Nobody's ever seen Floyd like bleeding fights. I'm not even busting up. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? Got to give him a lot of credit. Yeah. Yeah. You say, why don't we see the fight that we, you remember back in the 80s, you saw, you saw the ran and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Haggler. You saw the ran and sugar ray. You saw sugar ray and Haggler.

42:04You saw sugar ray and her. You saw these fights in the 70s. The heavyweight fought everybody. Right. You weren't ducking nobody. The heavyweight's, all he had to fight, former and Frazier, Praver had to fight homes and had to fight this guy, had to fight that guy. Why don't, why can't we get the fights that we want to see now? So, you know, Smire asked me this and I told him, I said, I think it's because of the, because of the money. Okay. Because of the money and like today's, and today's world, your undefeated record is like a 800 credit score. Wow. Which allows, which allows you to cash in on the big money. So, the longer you keep the 800 credit score, you can go to any bank, show me credit score and you're going to get that money. Yeah, you can go on sale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm afraid the tango was certain fighters because they go, I don't know, that might, I might get the L and then get more. That's a seven putter. Right, right, right. And I can get that same credit loan no more. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we didn't have guys back in the days making 40 million, 25 million. No. 150 million, 200 million, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

43:04You know what I'm saying? I mean, they didn't have guys doing a Tyson. And my era was the biggest guy. He's making $30 million, $30 million. $30, yeah. And I'm afraid that was astronomical. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We look at like $30 million, we think about the will of the last time, Conello fought for 30 million. He don't fight for number 40, 15 million. Have you mentioned 30 million to Conello? He's going to let you know what? Call me back. Yeah. I don't call me back. Yeah, that's exactly exactly. 100%. You know what I'm saying? That just goes to show you. Yeah, because I'd be like, bad. And everybody be talking, I want to fight this, I want to fight this guy, I want to fight this guy. And then when it comes down to it, the fight falls through. Or they put all these terms where we got to have a rehydration clause, where I want to go up, you know, you got to come down to me. Bro, somebody to $154, they're not coming down to $140. They're coming down, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was the deciding factor with the Haney and Shakur fight. Yeah. You know, they went and come down to $44 when Devon was $47, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, Devon's like, okay, well, why should I go to $44?

44:08And sacrifice myself of losing weight and going and fighting you. And then Shakur like, well, you did it before. Right. With another guy. So why not do it with me? Right. So I understand both sides, but I think that that's the greater fight in my book that never happens. You don't think it's going to happen? That's the greatest fight in my book that never happens. How do I look at it? From the because of negotiations. Oh, okay. Who's A side? There you go. There you go. And that's what going to come down. That's what's going to come down because you got Bill Haney on one side of the manager. You got Jay Prince on the other side of the manager. You got two moguls. That's like a B side. Both of those guys know nothing about B. Nothing. You know what I mean? So he like take the B side. No, no, no, no, no. He never breaks out. He's got to be AA all the way. And we know him. Boxing can't be two A side. Somebody go away. I ain't walking out first. Right. But man, we paid a seat at though. We were. That'll be a mega fight.

45:08But no, I see the first fight. We'll both fight and walk out the same time. Exactly. That's the only way. Yeah. One guy going to want to make $2 more than the next fight. Because then you're not making the same money as I'm making. No, no. Yeah. That's the greatest fight that never happens to me. You think it'll happen though? No. At some point, never. No, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe later when they get older. Right. Then it's going to be where they're going to be the same. Yeah, then it's going to be the same. You know what's going to be like? It's going to be like pack your pack of y'all made weather. Yeah, it happened. But we know we wanted that fight five years, six years soon. Earlier, yeah. Yeah. And I hate that. You and your prime, these, both of these guys are in their prime right now. Right. This is when they should be. This one they should be locking home. Right. Right. Yeah. What's another fight you'd like to see? I like to see Hitch is saying the key. Sean. Hmm. He's talking about that. Yeah, Hitch is in the key. Sean. I think that would be a good fight. But Hitch is saying it's a hell of a five boxer.

46:10Clean fundamentals or shop. And Kishan is an excellent counter puncher. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But you got to remember, Hitch is saying going to beat it for him to counter punch. Right. And then Hitch is saying it's not going to oppose a big enough threat to stand it long enough for Kishan to, you know what I'm saying? Get on his sheet. You know what I mean? So that's, you know what I mean? That's an excellent fight right there. As soon as he mentioned that, I say, but that's going to be one hell of a chest match. Hell of a chest match. Oh man. We had blood on here for a little while. You think blood comes back? Is there a fight or out there that can get blood crawled for to come out of retirement? You know what? I was just accent on that. And from what the way he explained it, I don't think it is. But I like the way he keeps all these boys on edge. Yeah. Like mention my name and I'm coming back. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying? You're like over. Say it again. If your bookshelf and your for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home.

47:10This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman, Angel Jaretana. Jeremy Colhane, Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the artists on artists on artists on artists podcast.

48:13The improvised character comedy podcast, we're each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is foe journal. I don't know, have you guys heard of foe journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So you're so we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay, a panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sudako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audrement Donalds at the Wonderland bookstore, 14. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Doctor 30. No way. I have to cut the last bookstore though. Kim Kattrol is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone. I hear you get the elbows here, the eyelashes hate each other.

49:13You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on the I heard Radio App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. By age of rather and or so, at least 70% have a phone. Middle school is a different world than the one we grew up in. I'm Dr. Joy and this is Therapy for Black Girls. We spent real time on it in our surviving middle school run. Bringing in a child psychologist and a psychiatrist who's raising two black girls of his own to talk about what's really going on with our kids right now. So it's literally physiological and neurological and psychological chaos, I mean all of the same job. We got into group chats and gaming, friendship and bullying, and how to tell the difference between healthy monitoring and the kind of surveillance that erodes trust. You're belonging, you could think of belonging as I can be myself and I can still be accepted. And then they're fitting in. Fitting in says I have to change who I am in order to avoid rejection. Then we turn the conversation toward the fathers, sitting down with therapists,

50:16caregains on black fatherhood, and what it means to raise a daughter through this stage. You don't have on short so you can't do flips, you have on the dress here across your legs. That's the range of this run. From screen time to identity to the fathers doing the work at home. We have to get off our device. But the reality is there's a lot of life out there that we don't want you as your adult in the life to miss out on. This has been our surviving middle school run. Brought to you by the people who's been their career thinking about exactly this. I'm Dr. Joy. Listen to therapy for black girls on the I-Hort Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America? Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is high nears and apple etch. But they weren't just planning houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life.

51:21Stop right there. Is that normal? A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment. God need that to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here. Our hometown is not a test too. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the I-Hort Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know the feeling. You make a pick in your fantasy draft in the entire room, Grones, because they wanted that player. Or you grab a small school rookie off waivers and you start him right before he goes off in primetime. There's no better feeling than crushing your fantasy football league. I'm JJ Zacharyson, host of the Late Round Fantasy Football Podcast. Before your draft, our players to target and players to avoid episodes tell you exactly who to circle and who to cross off.

52:26We've got data-driven analysis, historical trends, and the strategies that separate winners from the rest. And your dominance doesn't stop with the draft. All season long, we have our 15 transactions, 10 trends, sleepers, and the mailbag. Data-driven, quick hitting episodes to help bring home that league trophy. Listen to the Late Round Fantasy Football Podcast on the I-Hort Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Back, and then you're like, you know what I mean? So, you know, but do I, I don't know, man, listen, you know, in boxing, your pockets tell you when you come back to boxing. Right now, his pockets are good. You know what I'm saying? They're overflowing from like, with like a devil, but. Think about this. But as in the position, he's retired. He's retired on top, right? Every boxer has been able to retire on top. And every last one of them, money's been able to get them to come out of retirement. Right. Right. Every time. And I'm sure at some point, I don't know when.

53:29I think, I think, but I'm coming back. I mean, listen, man, they put a three with a bunch of olds behind it. I can't see him saying no to that. That's what I'm saying. I can't see him saying no to that. I said 150. Yeah, that's the best thing you want three, yeah. So, but let me ask you quick, but what, what, what does, because that seemingly the only fight that's appealing to him is probably the boot fight. So, does boot come up to 68? I don't budding, coming down to 54. If you're 300, I'm going to 54. I'm going down, bud. Blood, that depends. The phone goes look like a smoke. I don't know. I'm going down, man. I mean, do I think 60? I think we split the difference. Yeah, 60. The buck, the boot fight at 54. Go to 60. Bud just fought in last party, 68. But then there's this advantage for, for, for, for boost, because he's not like he's never been comfortable at 160 pounds.

54:33See, me, I remember that even when you're going to like most fighters that fight at 160, they coming down from 180. Yes. They coming down just to make that weight and then they going back up. Right. When you just coming up to the 160 marker, and that's what you're carrying, fighting a bigger guy. I mean, that's, that's risky as well. It's, it's a bud that much bigger than boots. Blood walking, bud probably walking around like 170, 170. But he's staying in good shape though. He does. And he's in his salad. He's compact. Yeah. I've been known for a long time. I've never seen him out of shape. Yeah. Never seen him out of shape. That's what that's what I was telling myself. He had name started cal, but you could tell he was like, yeah. Yeah. He's, he stayed within striking distance. It's not going to take him, they don't really take him to full training camp to get to where he needs to be. Yeah. Because he's really close to, he watches what he eats, he trains, he does this stuff that he needs to do in order to stay within striking distance.

55:35Because you don't, like you said, guys that come to 160, eight, guys, 160, eight, he walking around at 190. Yeah. Easy, easy. Canelo got that, he's got that Mexican blood in. Yeah. So you know, their diet, canelo walk around 195. Yes, easy, easy. And he comes down to that weight class. I used to watch Fernando Vargas and training camp the same way. He used to walk around big and then he come down to 147. I used to be like, how the hell did you just do that? Yeah, that was a 30, 40 pounds. That was amazing to me. I told God, yeah. Another one, same way, he used to come down. You know, 130. Is it already? Yeah, Goddy, yeah. Goddy's the command of 140. He fought Florida, he fought Florida 40, right? He fought Florida 40, yeah. I remember that fight in the Atlantic City, man. Yeah. But you know what? We got to say Goddy wasn't Goddy that we know.

56:35No, yeah. Too many wars were making war. Too many wars. Too many wars. Too many wars. That body shot sometimes I wake up and I still remember it. He's still feeling it. Make war the tough guy, man. Tough guy. Zayah, I appreciate the man. He's very good. He's back. Yeah, appreciate the man. Yeah, sir. Appreciate the bro. Max, let's fucking talk boxing, baby. That was awesome. Yeah. That was awesome. Unbelievable. We got Max. Max, tell him to join us here. I gotta add tell Max, give me on the broadcast, Woody, man. Let me call the fight. We can join, he's over there talking to Zab right now.

57:36You call Kennedy? What's he want? What? What Kennedy want? What? What Kennedy want? What? What Kennedy want? What? What? School been in two weeks. Now my daughter won a new bag pack. Trying to figure out where I'm a phone ringing. You tried to, you want a new bag pack? School just started. We got you one. That ain't the same. Max, cut into our time. We ain't gonna have much time. Tell you what's up with him? I've got some money. Now I'm good, thank you, though. Right. That was a mad dog. I appreciate it, Justin. Don't you, don't make it back. What's up bro, how you doing?

58:36Let's go in, let's start with this fight. Yeah, what's up? Ryan, Connor. Yep. What you think? I mean, you know, I'm so conditioned that in the old days on HBO, they didn't want you to ever pick the fight. Right. Especially when you're in the middle of the game. You know, I'm so conditioned that in the old days on HBO, they didn't want you to ever pick the fight. Right. Especially if you're calling the fight. Connor is the underdog for a reason. Okay. Ryan was a, you know, like it's funny, as you get older, you realize, if you want to know who the best fighters in the world are, look at their amateur records. It almost always works this way. If you were dominant internationally, dominant internationally, gold medals and stuff, your Andre Ward, you know, what you're doing in May weather, who got a bronze bushooter hat of gold, you're pernell winner, you're Roy Jones, you're the top of the top. One level below that is you dominated nationals and you competed internationally.

59:36You might win a belt. You might, you know, be even a real champion in the division. Okay. One level below that is you dominated local Golden Gloves in a real place like New York, a rel A in terms of the competition. Right. But, you know, only, you, maybe you're a contender, maybe you could grab a belt for a second. Right. was beating all the guys in the juniors. Yeah. But term pro before he really tested himself against the top amateurs, but he was like that. Okay. He beats, he has a lot of names on his resume that are dominant fighters now when they were kids, right? That's not Conor Ben. Right. Conor Ben's done it through like when he's had the opportunity, willpower and toughness. Yeah. So that's still, so Ryan's like a two and a half to one favorite for that reason. Right. So I have to- He mentioned that he didn't start boxing until he was 16-17. Conor Ben. Right. If he didn't, until he found out he was dead, he'd be like, if in me to fight. And it is in him. He's a tough guy. Yes. But you know, like Ryan's got special kind of talent. And you know, like great players know, twitches.

1:00:37Yes. If you saw this dude run right away, you know, okay, he's a different kind of twitchy athlete, right? Yes. Ryan's got those kind of twitches. But then think about this, Max. You always know styles make fights. So you understand Rich, I mean, Ryan has their special switch. He has his quickness. He has their left hook. He has that jab. What happens when someone nullifies that jab? What happens if Conor Ben comes in and is aggressive? And makes Ryan comfortable. Ryan doesn't- is not comfortable fighting inside the pocket. He's not comfortable fighting on his back foot. What happens then? Do you have an answer for that? I would say that if Conor- I don't even think it's the- Yes, the jab technically there are different things. But the real danger is, and Ryan knocked Barrios down with the right hand. Yes. But the real danger is Ryan's left hook. That's the decapitate. Right. So like, you know, boxing is rock paper scissors. Muhammad Ali is the boxer. Yes. He's bad for George Foreman. Foreman won at a time. Big shots, right? Yeah. Ali makes a mess, boom, boom. But Frazier is bad for Ali. High volume. Yeah. So Ali makes a mess, mess, mess.

1:01:38Frazier likes, that's nothing. Come on, let's go. I got five, ten more coming in the way, right? Right, yeah, yeah. But Foreman is bad for Frazier because to get inside, you got to get through the dangers on to that power, right? Yeah. So the question is, is this Frazier Foreman, where Conner's got to get inside the danger zone of the power, and on his way in, Ryan takes them in her team. Yeah. Or is it a situation where if you take away some of Ryan's offensive weapons, and he gets inside, his Conner, more like the pressure fighter against the boxer, right? And now he starts to overwhelm them on the inside, right? Yeah. I mean, two and a half to one, that on his way in, he gets caught. Right. But any five to one or ten to one, and the odds are shrinking, right? Because people recognize that Conner's got that dog in him. Yeah. And he's even been calling Ryan out. Like, you know, we don't know that about you. He's saying, he's saying we know it about you, and it's not there. Yeah. But I think it's fair to say we don't know it about him yet. Right, right. Right. What's preventing boxing from consistently making these big fights?

1:02:41Here's the galaxy brain answer, okay? All right. If I were to say, hey, you know what they should do in football? There's a million football leagues. I'm talking about Roger Gidell. Hey, you know what they should do in basketball? They're a billion basketball leagues. I'm talking about Adam Silver. Yeah. Hey, you know what they should do in boxing? Who we talking about? Two. There's no they there. Right. There's no they. Right. Right. So there's no one looking out for the long-term entry. So let me give you an example. Once upon a time, baseball didn't have a commissioner. Yeah. And now Kenna saw a mountain land. Right. And racist and kept it segregated and all that. But I'm making a different point about it. Right. After what they call the black sock scandal, because if it's black, it has to be bad. You understand how it works. Oh, of course. So they fixed the world series. Yeah. They're like, okay, we need a commissioner. Now I'm quite sure there were alcohol sponsors, right? Like companies who came to different owners like, yeah, we want to give you 20 grand to put that on the outfield wall. Right. Now commissioner land is could sit there and go, yeah,

1:03:41that's good for you in the short term. Right. But we want mothers wanting their kids to come to the ballpark. That's bad for us. Right. There is no they there in boxing. Okay. So everyone's reaching for all the money they can get as fast as they can get it. Right. Right. Right. And that's the kind of big answer of why the fights don't get made. Right. Right. Why don't... But the people who are in the middle of the world are going to get paid. We but max being the back of the football be a boxing official not all you are. You remember in the 70s every heavyweight, fall in every other heavyweight in the 80s. Sugar Ray, Hagler, Herndt, Barkley, Durand. Nobody does nobody. Well, so first of all, when Don King and Bob Aaron were running things, you ran into some of the same problems you got now. Yeah. Which is there is... So why am I going to risk my guy against your guy unless there's really enough money in it. Right. Okay. But the name recognition was so high. Right. We understand the world through storytelling.

1:04:42Right. Why do people... The sides of the fact that you guys are good on TV, right? Right. Why do people care about you before you were ever on TV? Because they understood your character from the TV show you were on called the NFL. Right. Right. And they... So they were interested in you. There was... There was like you had name recognition. So in boxing when they knew the characters, look boxing beats everything. I tell people all the time I do this famous thought experiment. I'll say like, what's your favorite sport? Football. No, it's not. It's boxing. And I'll prove it to you in 30 seconds. Yeah. You come to a street corner. Flag football game, stick ball, hoops, a fist fight. What are you watching? Yeah. Everybody go and turn and watch. Right. So boxing is just better. Right. Because everything's a metaphor for something else. If you can't tackle Chad, it's because he's metaphorically imposed his will on you by juking you and then get it right. Okay. Right. Boxing, it's like tennis, take away the ball. Lennox Lewis hits Mike with a right hand. Mike Tyson goes down. His brain tells his legs, get up, can't do it.

1:05:44He separated him from his own will. Right. There's more compelling. So now let's redo the thought experiment. Why isn't boxing more popular? Redo it. MJ and LeBron are playing one-on-one over here. Barry bonds is hitting off a Roger Clements. Over here, you know, like you get it, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then over here it's just two nobody's having a fist fight. Now boxing is so bad that people are still sometimes watching the fight, but now it's different. If you don't know the characters, so in the 70s, Muhammad Ali is the most famous man in the world. Yeah. Not just athlete, he's the most famous man in the world. Right. That's worth, so you can make the fights because everyone who's, there's fan interest, there's money involved. Right. Terence Crawford finally got shine when he fought Canelo Alvarez. Right. But if you stop your average American on the street probably even now they might not know who but is. Right. There's no they there looking out for the long term interest of the sport, no plans made, no TV deals the way the other major sports have. Yeah, yeah.

1:06:44Therefore you don't know the characters, so you don't care as much. I mean, that's the big, I said like galaxy brain answer to the question. You know what? What's the fight you want to see? If somebody says, man, come on, man, you know what it is. I'll tell everyone's going to say the same thing. Just say it. Don't even fuck around, just say it. Tell me. No, I'm not going to tell you, you tell me. The fight that you want to see right now. Yeah, no, no, just say it. Come on, man, why are we even playing? Why are you doing that? Boots and butt, you act like you're surprised. I thought you go say, David is your cooler. Okay. Boots and butt is about to start. Ding, ding, round one on this network. The Super Bowl is about to kick off on that network. What are you watching live when you record it? I'm Boots and butt. You're watching Boots and Bud live. Boxing beats everything when it's at its best. Boxing beats everything. Right. Yeah, Boots and butt. But you don't give it to us. You don't give it to your best. That's why I'm at Zufa. I'm at Zufa because in the history of boxing. Zufa boxing, you know, in the history of boxing, there's only, of combat sports.

1:07:44Yeah. There's only one man who ever built an institution that will outlive him. For example, Don King. Don King was the biggest promoter in the world. He was. Yeah. When he, now he's been in decline for a while, but so he has a little suite of offices, half a dozen people working for him. He goes out of business. That's it. Bob Arram, same thing. A dozen people working for main events. You just name the operation. You ever been over to USC headquarters? It's like going to ESPN. It's like an airline hanger. It's a campus. There are hundreds and hundreds. It's an institution, right? So when Dana called me and said, Hey, I'm thinking about doing this thing. Would you be in? I'm thinking, this is the phone call I've been waiting my whole life. I've been waiting for, are they to be there? Yeah. Now, people will have criticism of Dana in terms of, what is this guy getting paid or how you organize in this? Those are things that you can negotiate later when something actually exists. Yeah. But he's the only dude who built something that's a real business.

1:08:47That's an institution. So I'm excited by the possibility there's no guarantees. Yeah. But maybe Zufa boxing can become the NFL, the NBA, major league baseball. And there can be a day there and everyone gets to see, you know, it's the Rams and the Seahawks, NFC title game. No, you know what? We'll see that in a couple of years. Yeah. We're not ready to play yet. You know, we're going to, we don't want to play them. We'll play Tennessee. Right? And you can buy it on pay-per-view or you don't just, you just don't get to watch any football. Right. Right. That can come to an end and you can get the Super Bowl every year. Right? If I said max, I'm only at you called one fight. Mm-hmm. And if it could be a future fight or somebody in the past, what fight would you call it? That's already happened. It's already happened or you might, it might happen. Ooh, that's a great question. Or it might happen. I mean, well, it's an unfair, like, you know, Joe Lewis and Max Schmelling rematch.

1:09:49When, you know, the Nazis had their high command ringside at Yankee Stadium. Right. And Joe Lewis and Max Schmelling is a great guy, the president of Coca-Cola into his 90s and he wasn't aligned with that. But he was used as a symbol of that. Yeah. And Joe Lewis, you know, the inferiority of this race versus the master race and all that. And Joe Lewis knocked him out in one round. But, like, was hitting him in the body, like you would want to hit your worst enemy. Right. And Schmelling was like screaming and pain and he knocked him out in one round. That would have been a fun fight to call. Mm-hmm. I like it. You got the thing on you? I was it. Well, I'm good. I'm glad he, I'm glad we agree on that bird, that bird, that bird, boost fight coming up. But, you know what? It's gonna take triple digits to get him out. He and side. Bud's gonna fight again. I'm gonna say, I'm too competitive. Bud is too competitive and the boots, the reason, listen, if this was two or three years ago, who do you like? Bud. Yeah. I don't have to think about it that hard. Right.

1:10:49But, I don't, even so I'm never picking against Bud until I see it. Right. But, if you've been off a couple of years and you're 40, and you're in with an explosive athletic puncher. Switch, hitter. Switch, who knows what he's doing, too. Boots is a special talent, offensive talent. Yeah. You know, how much defense is gonna get mixed in? What's gonna happen when he runs across another super fighter who he's never had to fight so far? We'll see. But that's a dangerous fight for a 40-year-old who's been off for a couple of years. And that makes it, in my view, much closer to a 50-50 kind of fight than it would have been a couple of years ago. What it means to happen soon, Bud said he's about to be 39. So it needs to happen this year. Boots is getting ready to fight soon, isn't it? Yeah. I'm trying to, like, see, I try to explain to people the way belts really work in boxing. Think about college football before there was a playoff system. Right. So you might win a prestigious bowl game, and that's something that's, you know, one of these sanctioning body belts. That doesn't mean you won the Nadi.

1:11:50Right. Right. So when you hear, like, uh, Manipack, yeah, one title is in eight divisions. Yeah, he won bowl games in eight divisions. Yeah. He won the Nadi in four. Right. Right. That's the record. That's the record. Yeah. And that's the record. Guys, uh, uh, bud. Manie, and you could argue Floyd, but I would argue Floyd's only got three, because he made Canelo come down below the weight limit, right? But you could argue that either way. Right. In history of boxing. That's it, who really won four Nadi. Yeah. You know what I mean? OK, I got it. Max, appreciate your ball. All the best good call tomorrow night, man. You going to be in a tent and go see what, see what Ryan can back up all that talk, because he's been talking a big one. Yeah, I think that's the best thing about that. We like action. Appreciate it. Mike Skellerman. Yes, I agree. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. I want to thank you guys for joining us. Make sure you a tune in to catch this fight tomorrow night. Paramount. Paramount. Paramount. Plus, excuse me. We're off tonight. We'll see you back tomorrow. Hey, and don't forget. Man, bud, coming soon.

1:12:50Hey, and don't forget. Man, bud, coming soon. To a streak near you. If you're bookshelf and you're for you, page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture, with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman, Angel Jaretana, Jeremy Cole, Hane Cash, McDonald, and we're the hosts of the artist on artist on artist on artist podcast. The improvised character comedy podcast, where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes.

1:13:50Does the Pope dress up? He, he winks on Halloween. He gets rid of next to the microphone. I hear you'll get the bubbles here. The eyelashes hit each other. You never seen it least so quiet as when the Pope gets up to ring on Halloween. Listen to artists on artist on artist on artist every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, like, buy Asia Revan or so, at least 70% have a phone. I'm Dr. Joy, and this is therapy for black girls. We spend our surviving middle school run getting into what's happening inside your kids brain, the group chat, and their friendships, and what you can do about it. Your child is not doing this on purpose. That's the kind of perspective we've been pulling from the psychologists and psychiatrists who study this for a living. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Our hometown is not a test tube. 90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America, plays out in one small town.

1:14:50Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land. We need cities on a shining hill. This is our town. A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. College football will hijack your weekend, ruin your sleep and break your heart. And that's why we make the Solid Verbal College football show. I'm Ty Hildenbrand. He's Dan Rubenstein. Every week we preview the games that matter in the story lines that are going to ignite your group chat. And you can join us in the aftermath as we react to what happened, why it matters, and how the sport went completely bonkers yet again. Listen to the Solid Verbal College football show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.