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Sir, Roger's arena.

Oh, look at that, okay, you know, I will need some levity, so that's good, that's

good stuff.

And hey, Vancouver Warriors banner in the background.

They deserve some publicity, that's, no, we don't want the kids, we want the Warriors

winning team, that's an actual winning outfit at Roger's arena, Patrick, they can go ten

and three this week.

Get a share first place in the NLL tomorrow, tonight, actually, Patrick, do you have any

explanation and advance of hearing from Alvin on how Teddy Blooger is still a Vancouver

can act right now?

Hey, yeah, it's surprising, no, I don't certainly have the feeling, you know, he was on the

radar.

There's no doubt about it.

He's certainly really interested, and you know, you see other players of a similar type

going for a trade, so I don't, no, I don't, it is very surprising, I had a feeling David

Camp would go, there was just sort of something I heard early in the week that there was sort

of a, how to put it, sort of a last minute kind of mentality with, I think, some of the

teams that were interested in him, sort of like he's playing E, and so obviously Washington

moving the direction they're going, I'd actually kind of wondered if Philly might move

from, because, you know, they only really had three centers, but they've gone and solved

their problem otherwise, so, but I knew he would kind of be sort of a last place option,

so that didn't surprise me, but yeah, in the end, Blooger, who is playing well and has

everything you kind of think you want, so yeah, that one did surprise me, I don't think

that was, there's anything beyond the fact that they just didn't get it done, I don't,

you know, I know there's sort of some interest in maybe obtaining him, obviously when you

talk about that before and there's an argument for it, but yeah, I don't get it, it seems

like the one thing, it would say, and everything that's happened this week that you thought

would happen would be that he would be going somewhere else and somehow he's not, but

then again, they would have been really, they would have been really saved their bacon

a little bit, I think, on today.

Yes, they would have changed the release for sure, they would have been really thin at

center for the final quarter of the season here, if they traded Blooger as well, it's

not the reason why they retained him, but what is a look down the middle the rest of

the way, like the time you were called up, are they going to use him or is it just as

simple as slotting Rato in here, because camp was playing every night.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's a great question, we were wondering that ourselves, you know,

is this really, there's some, what did Rato Rato do?

No kidding.

To create the scenario for him, right, but yeah, you look at, look at the options that

are left, and the time you literally is kind of the extra four, but it's not like they

didn't have an extra run.

Max Sass, and he figured would go in the lineup with Garland Gone, and he played the other

night for Kane, you know, we were told Kane is not playing tonight, although I was also

told that that was much about potential trade, is anything, and obviously he's still here,

so whether he plays tonight or not, we'll see, I mean, obviously he's got 11 games to go

until he plays 1000 in the NHL, and obviously, well, how happened with the Vancouver Conox,

this might be a strange ceremony for him, but he has achieved, and he has had a solid NHL

career for all the twists and turns that there has been to his NHL career.

He is here now, and he will continue to be a Vancouver Conox for the rest of the season.

So yeah, I mean, whether Rato gets in the lineup, I guess he's now the question, and finding

out what his future is, they certainly were a, remember how excited they were, it's almost

like our first round draft pick, and yeah, here we are as the coaching staff is not

I guess, liked his game, and he continues to be the odd men out.

We will see if he gets in the lineup tonight.

Connor Darlin in the deal last night with Columbus, what says you, did they get enough return?

Well, you know, you look at what other teams have done, you know, I think most people

the reaction was like that's it, but I do point out that this is a guy signed on a six

year deal, which in the past, Jim Rutherford's made the argument that if you have a guy signed,

it's easier to trade them because it's less of a variable for another team.

It's just hard to imagine, I mean, and like, as Jaypat will point out, and it has point

out more than once, Connor Garland has not scored on a goalie since November.

I don't think he has lost the ability to score.

I don't think the team has been very good.

He has been part of that all of my suppose.

And I do think he will help Columbus.

I think he'll be good player for them.

Did they get enough?

Yeah, I mean, I think they should have gotten late first.

But in the end, what's the difference between late first and early second?

They see how Columbus goes, I guess here.

It's going to be one 40.

The pick will be sort of late 40s, early 50s, I guess at this point.

Wow.

But a couple of years down the road, Patrick, the second round pick, right?

I know a lot of them are going to be, yeah, and here's the thing.

And I've seen other people cite the contract extension for Garland

and other teams being wary of it.

But a couple of things are important by way of context on that.

Number one, the extension was viewed as an asset in the eyes of the Columbus Blue Jackets.

This is not a team that often gets big name free agents that want to sign there.

Johnny Goodrow, the late Johnny Goodrow would not withstanding.

So it's for Columbus to get cost certainty on a proven NHL commodity

that they can feel good about over the next three to four years,

particularly a more veteran effort type of guy for all the young forwards they have

was an asset or at the very worst neutral in Columbus's eyes.

Secondly, there was a market of up to eight teams for

Connor Garland according to Rick Dollywall, including four that were left there at the end.

So they were not able to play one off the other and maximize the return on Connor Garland.

Yeah, I, that was the thing.

And you know, you and I were talking about this last night.

When I saw there were four teams of all, I'm like, well, surely they'll get a first out of this, right?

So the fact they didn't get it first.

I don't know what that means, but it tells you that in the end,

they couldn't play the market as well as others.

Probably would have thought they would.

And I agree with you.

I mean, when this year of all started happening and players started moving on,

I was convinced the connection really wanted to get another first round pick in that asset.

They were chasing after in the fact that they are now standing here without a,

without a third first rounder tells me that they didn't execute their plan.

I mean, they, they, they are rebuilding.

They are moving in a new direction.

They do have a bunch of picks.

You know, as I was talking to someone else in the league this morning,

and they basically asked me the question, and I appreciated it.

I said, you know, if you think about, think about a second round pick in terms of Jet Woe, right?

Jet Woe is a second more looking is, is having dropped,

would you rather drop to Jet Woe this year or hold on to a future pick?

And if yours and maybe get good, you could trade it for a useful player.

There is an argument for that.

And so that's how maybe you can look at the Garland second.

That said, the fact that they didn't get another first round pick.

In the end is, I will be curious to hear if they view that as a failure in their plan.

I'm sure they wouldn't say that publicly,

but I think they really wanted to juice their intentions this year.

You know, the more first rounders you get in the mix,

the quicker this can all take, you know, in the end,

it's going to be top hockey for a couple of years here.

And that's going to be a hard thing to sell.

And the ownership he's having to actually do the work to sell tickets.

They just want to have winning and make the work do it itself, I guess.

And the more first rounders you have, you know,

better chances you are turning on quickly.

So that in the end to me is the takeaway here is that they've done okay.

And they're looking like a rebuild and they've got a bunch of decent picks coming here.

But a quick turnaround, this is not going to be not yet anyway.

People will show up to watch the brand new Shiny Objects.

So to me, it means Brayden Coots is a full time put.

Brayden Coots is a full time player next year.

And whoever they draft this year is a full time player next year.

Let's have Brayden Coots prove he's a national hockey league player.

You don't want to rush him and ruin him, especially with the new rule

that you're allowed a 19 year old in the American hockey.

I'm not necessarily advocating, but I'm just saying that will be the temptation

for them to put butts in seats is to have people watch the Shiny Objects.

Both of us are of the mind, Patrick, that they are at least legitimately

interested in rebuild these moves.

Tell us that.

The question is based on what we've seen so far and what we can forecast

in the near future here.

Are they the ones that should be making the rest of these moves?

Are they going to do a good enough rebuild as we watch the blues and flames

probably do a better job of it so far?

Yeah, I think that's a great question, right?

Like this is the first true strip it down to the studs rebuild

you've seen in Vancouver in 27 years.

It was Brian Burke that did the last one, and he was aggressive.

And he went after obviously the sedans right off the bat,

but he made a lot of trades and he added guys.

And obviously the league is different now.

The cap changes that old dynamic.

The fact that it's harder to sign for agents,

harder than ever to sign for agents.

It is a really good question in terms of setting themselves up.

Yes, as I said, they've got a bunch of draft picks coming here.

And that matters, right?

That they're nearly at the top end of the draft.

Like that matters.

That will help them with the basics.

But in terms of executing all of us, right?

Like a lot of these are in the end,

these are self-created errors, if you think of them, right?

Like the fact that he was left.

I mean, maybe Quinn Hughes was always going to leave.

But certainly the way he left more quickly than expected.

And that's down to JT Miller blowing up in their face.

Elias Pederson struggling the way he is.

That was a choice.

There were people internally who said,

no, this is a guy we need to move on from.

They didn't do that.

They're stuck with a goalie that's always hers, right?

And his contract, his new contract hasn't even started.

So there are a lot of warning signs for sure

when you look and say, is this a group that's really

going to need the right group to get it done?

On the other hand, in setting up that 23, 24 season,

the way the team played, the way that team was playing well,

they also made that happen.

So in the long run, the real question now is,

one, what do you actually do?

How do you turn this team around?

Well, certainly you get a bunch of young guys,

but you also have to make the right decisions along the way

and not get desperate and not say, we're going to try to do this.

Which was the Jim Benning problem, right?

They have to avoid that.

But they also, in the end, they have to get it right.

And the question of getting it right, in terms of recent form,

in terms of player selection, in terms of decisions,

has not been in their favor.

And so I totally get why people have questions about it right now.

OK.

We shall let you go, because we do anticipate,

at some point here, you have to be there for Patrick Alvin.

Just earlier in the day.

And still don't have an exact ETA on Alvin.

We will be going to Patrick Alvin live

once he steps the podium in the Rogers ring.

But there was talk earlier in the day,

he was going to go early, less the connocts do nothing.

So it didn't sound like there was a whole lot that was busy this morning

from an early hour Patrick.

They seemed to be forecasting that this wasn't going to be...

Let me ask you, what's with Curtis Douglas?

He's huge.

Well, I mean, listen, you had to make a claim, right?

Like the fact, I do feel you're a bit...

It's a bit weird that the waiver deadline on this day is an hour,

you know, there's a waiver deadline and then there's a trade deadline.

Like, I guess if you're the 11 o'clock who don't know what they're doing,

you go pick up the giant winner because they need players, right?

Like, thanks for reminding me, because, you know,

I went and talked about how they don't have an extra scale,

well, they do now.

So it's more than like, yeah, it's just not back in the line.

Oh, can't imagine.

I guess, I mean, it was funny.

I found myself thinking a bit.

As soon as I looked at this guy and I'm like,

oh, he's got eight fights, you know,

there was a big talking point earlier in the week about how literally

this team had not shown way much fight on Monday night, right?

Like how dire the effort on Monday was now.

They were a lot better against Carolina on Wednesday, even in the loss, right?

There was a lot more spirit and heart and all that kind of stuff.

So literally they've added a guy who will add some pushback over the final

20 games of the season.

And I suppose if the reality is, right,

you're playing a not very good lineup and you're playing all these

dog games, you need to give the fans something.

So why not go back to the good old days?

There it is.

Let's just go crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

So basically, you were taking a page out of slap shot here.

Yeah, I was expecting you were looking for fascinations, spectacles, side shows.

You are basically selling the thrashers to Atlanta right now.

Like it's some expansion.

I would guess guys, and you need some big tough guy to fit the stereotypical hockey player

role to be able to trot him out and sell eight game homestead knows the hockey itself is

not going to anything.

Game homestead in March, guys, I would say you have a 50 50 chance on any of those nights

of seeing Curtis Douglas fight.

Yep.

Over under three and a half by Curtis Douglas knows those eight games.

That's the other.

Yes.

And Curtis Douglas probably probably knows it.

Yeah.

Alvin in 10 minutes.

So you get you get skidattling.

Thank you for this.

Much obliged and we will catch up next week.

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