Right Said Fred— Said Right Things

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1:25My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolfe, the battle of ideas. Wow, it's been a long time. I don't know, three years maybe. Right in red. Thank you for joining me in the changes. Yeah, yeah, last time we spoke, I think we were still in the middle of the the kind of a great madness and that's the pleated somewhat. So, uh, Do you think it's getting back to normal? Yeah, things are feeling a little bit more sane now. But um, yes, I used to feel about that. Well, I said, yes, I said normal. I shouldn't have said normal. Okay. That's not really what I was. What I was there's been there's been an awakening to a degree from certain areas and the knock on the fact that the lovers talks about with, you know, whether after the lockdown, which would be things like digital ID and more authoritarian approach, stuff like that. That has come to fruition.

2:28We're not fruition, but they're trying to push that agenda. And so from that point of I think there is, there is no, there is no awakening. It's still, it's still sporadic and there's still a lot of people out there. We've got, we've got a neighbor who's in the entertainment industry and he's religiously reads the garden and it's just a sky news because he thinks, yes, he thinks they are the arbitus of truth. Yes. And, um, and we will, and we talked to him, we mentioned, you know, the world economic forum or George Soros or people like that. And he has got a clue who we're talking about not. It's so funny. Yeah. You would think you would think people by now would know who they are. No, no, a lot of people don't know. And people who only look at the mainstream news would never know. No, if you want to find out about, you know, Crane and Russia or Middle East or Gaza or, or digital ID, a facial record is anything basically do not go to the mainstream media. It's just not reliable.

3:29No, that's not. Oh, you must better off. So I think these places. I think it's good just to cherry pick and, you know, just to get them not cherry pick. I get to get your information from different places and do your own, you know, this listing the mainstream media, then listen to something else and then say, well, why, what do I think this? And I just just different sources really, you know, it's very important. Yeah, it's very important to to to to triangulate. It is, it is very important. Exactly. We often said if they had, if people had cameras in their phones in 1914, the call up rate would have been appalling. People were taking pictures of the trenches and I would be all of all, I'm not going there. Selfie with treks. Selfie with trench for years. So yeah, not good. No, so I think for years now, the press and the mainstream media in the West has had a pretty free run. And they don't like what's happening. They don't like the fact that they're not numbers are decreasing. I mean, a lot of online creators, content creators are outperforming mainstream.

4:30You know, a lot of them, it's not just one or two now. People just use site, maybe Joe Rogan or whoever. But now it's, it's a lot of people. The numbers are very, they're there for people to see. Yeah. Just quickly, before we continue, for those listening who are wondering why we keep hearing so many airplanes, they're just because you got to close to the airport. Yes. It's weird. It changes from day to day and it changes on the cloud cover. So, so today's particularly noisy, actually, I don't normally go. I don't know why. I could close the door. We're actually quite close to the castle. We're actually quite close to where the castle and one of the stories. Does anybody know what happened? What's up? We're going to go with, and yeah, one of the stories about the castle is if the, the Monarch is in the castle,

5:31they're not allowed to fly over. That's what we've been told. That's what we know that. Yes. I think it's in case they enter the Luthorian. They fly over. Yeah, I don't know. Which would be my choice, obviously. Yeah. Of course, you're living close to the castle. We know lots of people who work and will live within, within the castle grounds. Yeah. They're also stories, Ben. How true they are. I don't know. You hear also stories. You hear all sorts of stories about secret tunnels that go between the village of Windsor and castle itself. So, back in the day, they could get out of the castle without being seen if they had some kind of a list of things. They were, for more documents, and those aren't they? I did an interview with an amazing research, a historian by the name of Francis Dieder, Francis Leder, sorry. And she's written extensively on a group called the Black Nobility. And she argues that the Royal Family, the British Royal Family are part of the Black Nobility. They, this group of bloodlines that have existed since the Roman Empire.

6:36And they have immense amounts of power, even though the power might be indirect. Okay. So, what does that mean, the Black Nobility? We talk about skin colour. No, no, no, no, no. Is that why you've been... The black is hidden? Hidden? Hidden? Hidden? Yes. Correct. I've never seen another story. Oh, I see. One of the stories... Yeah. I thought we were talking about something out of Africa, or... Black nobility? The Black Nobility in Africa. Yeah, so Black Nobility in Africa might be different. I think that's how we used that too. Exactly. So yeah, the hidden hand is what we're talking about. Yeah, very interesting. I mean, I find it remarkably persuasive. Yeah, there's more awareness now over here of what's loosely termed the blob. When people use the term the blob, they mean the establishment of the deep state, whatever. Also, is there a part of like human nature? Imagine the three of us all having dinner. And we're all multi, multi, multi billionaires

7:38and I control, let's say, gas and oil coming out of Eastern Europe. And control gas. And yeah, yeah. Richard is, you know, Richard is mainstream media and you're some sort of political kind of an analyst or fundraiser or something. We're all sitting in the room. We would, if we all got on, which is what we do, we would all conspire, wouldn't we? We're all saying to you, that this is really difficult and I need a hand with this. So you would say, Richard, like, I need much better press coming out of this project I'm doing, is what humans do. They conspire with each other. They always have done their way. And that's the trouble is, is when it comes, when you get big business and politicians to do it together. Well, the nonsense always was, it seemed to me, that only one side conspired. That's what is so ridiculous. I mean, there's a lot of talk then going on about the Fabians over here. They've been conspiring since the 1800s. So this idea that it's only people on the,

8:39I don't know, these were truth, but on that side, if you like, who are being, you know what I mean? We politicians and governments and influencers and lecturers and bankers, they've all been conspiring. We years and years and years. Yeah, centuries. But this is the point. Yeah, this is the point. People conspire on a daily basis. You even conspire when it comes to shopping. What do you do? It's just that the term conspiracy has been weaponized so much so that people are even scared to say it. I don't think it's anything to be scared of. But I think the problem is that it's been caricatured. So when people say conspiracy or conspiracy theory, the image that gets drawn in your mind is six guys around a table in a smokey room plotting, something evil. And it's isn't like that necessarily. No, not at all. I also have stupid images like the tin foil hat

9:40and it's all a bit. Yeah, yeah. Already. Yeah. But I personally see very little of that now. The evidence, like the reason of Fauci think. And this is the unraveling of what was the truth. I'm a bit of a... 111 times. Yeah. Is it true that the evil is he'd been pardoned? He can be imprisoned for every year. For one year every time he implements the fifth. Yeah, I'm a teller. I've read that on some sort of... Fairly real, sort of a reliable source or none. What was it? Some senator was talking. And he said that you can get a prison, a year of incarceration for every time you incite the fifth on a subject that is pertinent to the inquiry. I don't know how true that is. I don't know. I've read. Come on. If you question Fauci, you question the science.

10:40Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. I am the sole source of... He is a sole source. Yeah, and I think he will get clean away with it. Yeah, but he's made as there's... He's number two. He's already been done as they... I think he's already been charged. Some guy who's his advisor's been charged with a law or has admitted to hiding evidence. Yes, certainly. Well, if you can't get number one, then you go for number two. Yeah, you do. Yes, you said low hanging fruit. Yeah, I mean, it's all a bit... That's right. One of the thoughts interesting to that whole period was that... I think gradually... What was interesting about the whole COVID thing is that, gradually and particularly now, people are beginning to wake up to the fact that the people in power do not always have your best interests at heart. I think many people generally believe that they did. I think my part of the was cynical, but I think at the bottom end, you know, the basic belief system was that they were all on the same side. We might disagree about defense on spending or welfare or whatever it is or taxation.

11:43But fundamentally, we were all on the same side. I don't think people believe that. I think we have had a pretty fast descent into a low trust society. I always felt it was quite a high trust society. You know, probably, when did it start? I would say maybe Trump's first term or Brexit or... It all seemed to start coming unraveling around there. Maybe it happened before. Maybe it was not only leveled. I don't... People made a disagree about that. I was watching... I was watching a thing today very quickly about a kidnapping in 1968 and a tiny village in Surrey. And this boy used to travel 16 miles from school to home every day. And to save money on the fair. He would take the first half of the journey by bus. And the second half of the journey, he would hitchhike. In the Lord. And back in those days, of course, nobody thought anything off hitchhiking. I mean, I have hitchhiked. I mean, those people have. But this kid on this particular day in Surrey in 1968 was hitchhiking. A car stop picked him up. We've never seen it again. So this trust issue has actually been going on for those people

12:47in that little village. That was an extremely unusual event because they all trusted each other. They all felt they knew each other. And suddenly, the big, bad world breaks into their home, if you like. So I think it's always been there, but I think it's now magnified beyond belief. When we were on holiday, when we were kids, I was probably about 12 and Fred was 9, something like that. Mom and Dad wanted to go away to a nightclub because they were much younger at the time. So that we were on holiday. So they put us in the charge of our waiter at the hotel. Now, we'd only known the waiter for about three nights. You would never do that now. We know you're two children in the charge of a Spanish waiter that you'd only known for two nights. But Mom and Dad didn't think twice. Raymondo was lovely. We had a lovely time down by the beach. But now, you would even consider that. You wouldn't do it. Now, you would believe that given the fact that we live, as Fred said, in the low trust society, that this would not be a safe way of leaving

13:48the children. What do you think is better, a high trust society or a low trust society? And let me preface that. So you guys live in the UK, which is effectively a first world country, although I guess many would argue that. But let's just use that as the base. And most things work. All right, I live in Africa. So there's a very severe contrast between our countries. So I would argue that I live in a very low trust society. If you look at the COVID jab, I think less than 2% of the South African population actually took it. It depends who we are trusting. It's difficult, isn't it? I think if we have a firm belief in the well-meaning nature of the people in power and the people we are trusting, like the police or the courts or whatever, the politicians, or whatever, then I think it's good to be in a fairly high trust society. But I understand what you're saying. When that, when you no longer believe that the people

14:50in the upper levels are on your side or trustworthy or honest, being a low trust society is absolutely essential. Yeah. This is what you're saying. Yeah. I mean, it comes with pros and cons. It does. I mean, we like everything. Well, what was interesting to skill, to talk about COVID, or sick, and to go through the conversation? But what was interesting with just before COVID in the lockdown, I think there had been a poll based on the trust of faith people had in politicians. I think it was 2019, I think. And it was the lowest, we just our politicians lower than we ever had done in previous polls. And then, but then, immediately, the lockdown kept in their vaccines, people took health advice from known liars, from people who had clearly shouldn't be trusted, and from doctors that were ham picked

15:53by those very same politicians. It was odd. I felt the whole thing that there was a big shift. And the other thing that surprised me in the music industry, in the music industry, put normally tends to be over politically, left of center, overall. It leans left. And so you had the take up from musicians taking the jab was very high. I don't know what percent she is, but I think I'm well. Intertaming generally. Yeah, I mean, I'll be things up in the 80s, maybe. It's very high. We meet very few musicians who haven't had the jab. And what was weird is they were to get these left leaning people, these left leaning industry, taking health advice from someone who clearly writes of central at Boris Johnson. You'd think there would have been some low trust, some sort of cynicism, some sort of like, well, this we know this guy, we don't like this guy, we don't trust this guy, maybe we should just do a bit of homework and a bit of research, but they didn't. They just did what they were told. Also, you had this whole thing where you, you know,

16:54the lot of bands there, their image, were sticking it to the man. It was all about, ranging against the machine. It was all that. But when push came to shove, they didn't stick it to the man in the way they originally intended. They stuck it to the man in a complete way. And they stuck it in the man. They stuck it in the man. Exactly. And also the other thing about pop, which is really weird, I think, is if you go back into the 60s, you had people at Joan Buyers and Bob Dylan and country on the fish, all those people talking about politics, talking about not trusting the man. Actually, not trusting the narrative, the story. And pop was actually at the centre, then, I think, of the cultural issues that were going on at the time. And now, pop music is, there's a movie some years ago where pop music was just like adverts. It was just like adverts between whatever the music was. No, it wasn't. It wasn't totally called. It was something else. With that black guy that was in prison for tax. Where's this night? Where's this night?

17:55Yeah, it was that movie. Yeah, anyway. But that was the idea. So pop had lost its teeth completely. It was just become this vanilla sort of background of the lift noise that didn't really mean anything anymore. And it's, I mean, so I think the way, when we had the idea of Bob Dylan at Glastonbury, and that was a very depressing attempt to make pop music or contemporary music sort of relevant, if you like. But actually, what it was, it was just defining people. It was just an angry outburst of somebody who didn't really know what he was talking about. So it is a bit strange the way that's gone. Going back to the trust thing, my partner was who died some years ago from HIV. He, in the early days, we were taking, he was taking a lot of drugs that were developed by Fauci. He said to you stuff like that. And it never crossed our minds or my mind, or my mind, that these doctors at that time weren't doing their absolute level best to find a treatment.

18:56Never crossed my mind. I trusted them completely. And now, of course, with hindsight, you realize actually these people were not worthy of that trust that I was placing in them. No, it was, AIDADT had a very, very mixed, very, very mixed results with different people. What saved my partner was what they called triple therapy, which was when they started combination therapy between lots of different drugs. And that made a huge difference at the time to him. But what was interesting about that, for me, was when I looked back, it never crossed my mind. I was looking at all these tablets, all the options open to people who were HIV. And it never crossed my mind for a second that these people developing these drugs didn't have our best interests at heart. Well, I mean, I'm asking because... Yeah, I'm asking because South Africa kind of was the epicenter of AIDT mass testing. And I saw pretty much no net benefits at all. In actual fact, I saw a lot of people getting very, very sick and dying. Because I mean, it's a chemotherapy ultimately.

19:57I mean, it is. In my believer, it's what killed Freddie Mercury. Right, is it? Yes. Yeah. Well, I think back in the day, the ignorance around AIDS and HIV was profound. And people didn't really... People pretended they knew what it was, didn't really know what it was. People were unsure as to how it was contracted. The medication... I mean, I remember with my partner, the triple therapy only really came in towards... Not towards the end, but when we were two-thirds into it. And that made a huge difference. But I think in the very early days, when AIDT was the drug to go to. And again, Freddie was saying, we have people just trusted these doctors. They trusted... You put on a white code, not suddenly in your trustment. You know? Well, trust the science. Trust the experts. Yeah, trust the experts. Trust the science, I mean, really. People forget now, but there was a time when in the early early ages, they thought HIV was airborne. That's right. That was floated for a while. And... Well, Fauci himself said... Yeah, Fauci said that you can pick it up from a table countertops.

20:58Yes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and then the role the mainstream media played and the role the government played at the time, but certainly in the UK, was just disgraceful. We had this big tombstone on TV. Yeah, don't die, England. Yeah, don't die, England. Don't kill Granny, don't die, England. The whole thing with HIV was the... Once you are HIV positive, that's a death sentence. That's how it was sold. That was the idea. And it was the gay plague. If that was a pretty common expression in the early ages. And then, obviously, it started to affect the... The strength community and the whole... The game changed considerably. But initially, the same scare tactics used in the early ages were repeated during... You know, in the last few... I mean, we were... We were, we were, we were driving into London. Now, a huge poster during the HIV... In the... Everything. You know, don't kill Granny and look into my eyes, all the... I mean, it really was.

21:59I mean, the... Same style. The state was absolutely disgraceful. And so too was the media. Actually, the media was appalling. Didn't make any attempt to really do any forensic reporting at all. I've got an amazing book here called Inventing the AIDS Virus by Peter Dusberg. I don't know if you've seen that book. Oh, I know you've seen that book. Yeah. One Rogen back in the day before Rogen was on Spotify. I don't think you would have a guest like that now. Yeah, well, I remember walking into it, walking into a pub during the period. And this ridiculous girl behind the counter went to put this PCR thing on my forehead to test my temperature. And I said, you know this is just nonsense. You know that it's all nonsense. And she said, no, it's not. It says it works on the packet. That was her... That was her position. It says on the packet it works. So it must be right. And so people just weren't thinking. They weren't thinking for themselves. That was the most depressing thing. That we grow up in a... We grow up in a culture where we think we're all independent-minded

23:02and we analyze things and we're rational and logical. Actually, what that showed was that there was a... People were incredibly susceptible to fear, panic and ignorance and gullibility, actually. And when you have people up on the carton and Elton John rattling on about take the jab, be cool and all that stuff. That's when I started reading these people and not what you think they are. I had Pete Perrota on my show. Pete was the drummer of offspring. And he was not offspring fired him because he refused the jab. That's right. And I thought, how unpunk rock is that? And yeah, you two guys are sort of pop icons and you're more punk rock than the punk rock guys. Well, they set the bar very low, did they? Yeah. Punk rock thing, a bit like Brit Popping Aware, a lot of movements. It's a lot of PR over... It's also a lot of style over content. I'm not saying they didn't think it exists, I'm saying that. But it was used for purposes of propaganda and hype

24:06and there was a lot of sort of chess beating and not a great deal of substance. No, we were so mightors. Do you know a guy called Winston Marshall? Yeah. Well, we were talking to him the other day. And what was interesting about that, this was nothing to do with COVID, nothing to do with anything and anything else. But he was basically removed from... from a month of the sun. One of them. He left. That's right. That's right. He's very true. He did, yes. He's a really nice guy. By virtue of him reading a book. So this was nothing to do. It's a mindset about anybody that disagrees with the narrative. That's what it is. Whether it's COVID, whether it's HIV, whether it's digital ID, free speed, whatever it is, people on the left, it seems to me, generally speaking, tend to be much more inclined to de-platform and to silence people. When I was a kid, it was all BNP. Those were the people to fear. It was the people on the far right that were the problem.

25:07Now it seems you've got people on the left who have the problem. This is the head scratcher. This is really the head scratcher. Because what is wrong? Sorry, go on. No, it's just this weird how conversations now are just being de-platform, they're just being stopped. It's pointless. I mean, you can't have people who was weird with it. We seem to develop this sort of way, but there seems to be this movement on the far left that is anti-everything that the left used to be. The left, the far left, like the far right, obsessed with skin colour. I think the far left, the far right, are far too much in common, which is why they're way together. They're all foritarian. They want to silence you. They're intolerant. It's more than cults, really, than seemingly more than cults. And just the ability to speak your mind. Well, we learn to trouble, well, I wouldn't say trouble. We got into a frackar with some of the people in the press when we've stopped,

26:09we went into a demonstration right at the very beginning. I remember that. Yeah. And what was weird about that was we went to the demonstration, not because we were motivated by the demonstration, because of the demo, if you like. We just wanted to go and see exactly what a demonstration was like, because I'd never been on one. But just the very fact that we were there turned into a bit of a thing. And it was a bit like the Southport thing. Those girls were murdered in the Southport. And the idiot, Stama, you know, referred to everybody that had a problem with that as far right thugs. You know, this is what we were dealing with. And that part of the left, maybe they're all Fabians. I don't know what they are, but they are incredibly dismissive of ordinary people's fears and worries. And I don't understand that. If you're representing the people, even if you think their fears are unfounded, you need to address them. You need to give them the... Yeah, that's the thing that breaks my brain. What is wrong with having different opinions?

27:09Well, everything now, apparently. When we were growing up, we served with bands. And we all sorts of things we had. If I think of the people we played with, they're politics in a way. It was almost... It didn't matter because they could be far left, not really far right back in the 70s. You never talked about it. No, it wasn't. You never talked about it. If someone had a particular view, go, that's your view. That was it. You know, it just... It wasn't ever an issue. Certainly, you certainly would sack someone from a band back then for their views. Or reading a book. Or for reading a book. It was... It's mad. I think if you're of a generation like us, where differences of opinion were common, then I think... And it wasn't an issue. It has... It has come a complete surprise, I think, to realize that disagreeing with somebody actually carries

28:12an enormous amount of... An enormous problem for some people. We've had gigs cancelled. We've had a film cancelled. We've had adverts cancelled. It's a lot easier now, I think, in people. And we've done quite a few festivals recently. And the public, the punters, have been fantastic. They've been really, really cool. And what I think is interesting for me is that if you leave people be ordinary people, they will just get on. They will just get on. Politicians have investment in division. That's what they do. All their power comes from division. And black... We have black hat. That's what they are. If you take politicians out of the equation, ordinary people will get on. What's quite funny is how this could be both sides of the argument. Because we were sitting here with a coffee, it was about two years ago. And this couple sat down next to us and they recognized us. So now you talked about the marches and all this sort of thing. And then this lady then to cross us and she said, obviously, your fat earth is.

29:17Right? So I said... I get that. Yes, I said, actually not. Actually not. She looked at us like, you're too stupid to talk to her. You don't think the earth is fat. And maybe it is, I don't know. I don't really care either way. How does it affect her? It's not like I couldn't care less. Exactly. But anyway, so this lady said, you're not flat earthers. So she said no. So she rolled her eyes. She looked at her hospital. You know, these two lunatics. And they got up, they walked off. And so the intolerance is everywhere. We suddenly didn't step up to what they thought we should think. And they just walked off here. One of the great things about doing the demos was some of the people you meet. I mean, some of the people we met us absolutely so out there. They are so bonkers. There was one woman who had a big placard which said, the queen eats babies. That was one plan. We asked the camera. We asked the photographic evidence. We didn't have any. Another woman said she had a placard with a phone number on it.

30:20She said, if you phone this number, you will get free electricity for the rest of your life. I like it. I like that. I like people who are just standing outside the ring. It's good for people just to say. I told you something exciting about being rude to people. People will be offended by everything now. So that's not being offended. I defend their right to be offended. That's my position. I used to enjoy some of the protests. I don't go smudge now. I was a. I need my knee. I need my knee. I don't go. I used to because. Sometimes I just go through phases. But we met a lot of lovely, lovely people on those marches. And we still do in the streets today. People still come up to us. Almost on a daily basis. We're chitchat about something. And he meets some very, very interesting people. I really like that. There was a good thing by Richard Javaisa the day he talked about offense. And he was right. He said, offense is only taken. You can't give it. You can't give it.

31:20You either take offense or you don't. That's all it is. And the people who are offended are people who just like taking offense. And that's a major difference. People don't necessarily go out to it. Intending to give offense. But if they decide to do that, it's down to the people listening as to whether they take it or they don't. And if they take it and they don't like it, they walk out as opposed to trying to close down with it. Yeah. And the Australian comedian Steve Hughes adds that by saying. I like Steve Hughes. Yeah. Never have come. He should never have cut his hair. Can we tell him? Yeah. He looks less metal now. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. Yeah, he looks less metal now. Yeah, because for me, when I first saw him and he would look really, because he was a drummer, it wasn't in the metal band, I think. Yeah, it was a musician. It was a musician. And when I thought I first saw him, what was great about his image? And if I had been a manager, I would have said, keep the long hair. Because you don't look anything like any other comedian. It was a, you know, the mean.

32:20It was as an image, it was a very fresh image for a comedian. So when he cut his hair, I remember thinking, oh, no, don't do that. And you had lovely hair. It was to tell that really, really good joke about being offended. That's what I was, that's what I was referencing. Yeah. I'm going to tell you that you find the police. I find the offense. I'm offended. I'm offended. You know, I really liked Steve P. He was very, very funny. Yeah, and he says, he says, so you offended. So what? Nothing happens. You know, I'm going to get liberty. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I'm offended all the time, but I am all the rage. We're not the right. I'm not afraid of it. You know, boy bands were offended me for our 35 years. Yeah, some music is very, very offensive. You just have to not listen to it. You mentioned flat earth as earlier. I absolutely love flat earthers. I love chatting to the, I don't think earth is flat. Look, I don't buy into the official NASA story, right? I don't know what I'll buy into, but I don't think earth is necessarily flat, right? No.

33:20But I will say that I've had the best conversations with flat earthers, because they're on the periphery. And I like people who are on the periphery, because they get my creative juices flowing. No, good work. And why can't they think that one thing is flat? Let them also, the only question I've got, I don't know whether they met, does anybody who thinks the earth is round? What holds the water there? I don't know. You're asking for, right? You're saying it's liquid. I mean, all the whales and all the fish, you know, and I don't understand that. I can understand the water at the top. But how's it? I don't know. I would need, we should explain one to explain one to you. And let's be honest, when you fly in an airplane and you look out the window, that horizon does look pretty flat. It does look pretty flat. But although I have to say, if you go high enough, you see the curve. You see the curve. You see the curve. I don't know. Have you been higher than that? Yes. Yes. Oh, you have. We've been very high. Yes, you've been high. Yes, you've been high. I think Colin is. Is that a metaphor?

34:21It's a metaphor. I think Colin used to fly at 60,000 feet about twice as high as a normal airline. Yeah, we did. We did. We did. We did. We did. And you do see curve. Yeah. Now, the thing is the one we live in now, I don't know what I'm looking at half the time. It could be AI. And we can. People on. A simulation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People go on. They really upset with me. Sometimes I make a mistake. I'll post something and it turns out to be AI. But it's just social media. It's not real life. Nobody needs, nobody's died, died. Nobody's been hurt. So I just delete it. I'm with one, but they get, they get, they, they, they really feel the need to have a, to have a go. You moron. You know, you're so stupid. Why just make a mistake? This is what I mean. I've had to come off X and Facebook because I just got so tired of all the negative hatred. I think it's so boring, you know. I can't tell you how many times I was called a cockwombl. I can't. Is that a bad thing?

35:21I don't even know. Yeah, I was a cockwombl apparently. I don't know what it is. But and I just actually, it's bad for my vibe. It's just bad for, you know, waking up. If you, if the minute you wake up, you look at the screen and it's just people beating each other up and bell fast or or some is lambing nut or cutting some of his head off or whatever. I don't want to, I don't need it in my life. I really don't need it. And also the Maddox clickbait stuff out there, the amount of stuff that's set up. Yeah, exactly. And also, it depends on your algorithms. I was, there was this guy squeezing a spot. And I watched it for about 10 seconds. So in my whole time, I just got squeezed in. Pins, in poppers and black head removal. I was like, now, and the other time we were talking just literally two days ago, we were talking about some luggage because we made change some luggage on my turn. Yeah, really boring conversation. And I went on Facebook. I've just got back, back. So I've got this one backpack after the next. That's how it's shut up. I'm a bit like the, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a poro fan.

36:23I really like the, um, uh, he or he'll borrow the whole egg of the Christy thing. And so I, I clicked on a couple of documentaries about the making of the series. And now all I get, all I get is poro. Come on, I should say over and over and over and over. I mean, David Suchet is brilliant. But there is a limit to how, how many, how many I need to watch. Have you heard about that, that seven degree theory when it comes to algorithms? Um, I might have a bit of a wrong. So, no, no, no, it's all that similar. So it's something along the lines of, and I must look it up, but it's something along the lines of, no matter what discussion you have online, you are only seven talking points away from discussing Hitler. Oh, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, let's say, let's say I'm going to go and look up right, said Fred's greatest hits on you. Yes. And, yes, just a few videos later, I'm watching a speech by Hitler because of the algorithms. Who knows, who knows how that, how that happened.

37:24Yeah. It's extraordinary. Well, we, we did a, um, we did up, we, when we were doing this movie, we were looking at, uh, titles for a sub, a sub plot within the movie. And what three words do you need in the title of a movie to get people to watch it? And you need the word sexy, you need the word sexy, um, shark and Hitler. So we thought of sexy Hitler shark. Cut, a shark with a little mustache, you know, who's very sexy. So, but yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, I know if I've got to say, if I was out of Hitler, if I was, I feel like we're still talking about the silly old devil. Greatest, greatest marketing campaign in history. I tell you what's really good fun. You, if you've got a socialist make me tell you enough that not that fascism always comes from the left. There you go. You tell them that Hitler was a socialist. They don't want to know. Are they going to make this really fun? And then you say, well, it was the national sociator of social workers.

38:24Yeah. What do you mean? In fact, we were in Germany and we actually said that. You know, he was part of a socialist movement. And they didn't, they didn't actually know what his party was called. And it's always really good fun. But anyone who's on the left or or see themselves as an academic left and you mentioned that fascism starts on the left invariably. I think it very upset. Have you ever seen the House in Wales that looks like Hitler? It's a house in what? There's a house in Wales that looks like Hitler. Because it's called a sloping roof like the hair. And a little black door, one window above it. And there's a cat. And there's a cat that looks like Hitler. Yeah. And fun enough of just that cat. Yes. But we both start to live in that house. Yeah. The thing is actually. Wait, and is that cat's name? Wait for it? Kittler. Oh. I see what you did there. You should be on the radio or stuff like that.

39:25It's also that you got a movie a dad to make dad jokes. What was the song that Kenny rested last year? Something. Oh, Hitler was a... I think it was actually called Hard Hitler. What was it? I think it was called that. I remember that. Yes. It was super. Yeah, I mean, he went straight for the gullet. Yes. When I was working in a gym, I was listening to the radio. And there was a phone in quiz show. And somebody phoned in to answer the question. And the question was, what was Hitler's first name? That was the question. What was Hitler's first name? Lots of silence on the line. Suddenly you heard, was it Hyle? Brilliant. I love it. You can't make it up. But let's not talk about that nutter. Yeah. Yeah, going. I mean, I want to go back to the music stuff. You know, part of who you guys are. I mean, are you still censored or canceled?

40:26Well, we had one agency. It's rare. It's patchy. We did have an agency in the UK. And they were recommended to us by another band who they were with. And they weren't worth this because they... Because of our politics. We didn't have the friggin' L there. And the trouble is with going back to... We did a couple of chat shows with Nigel Frage. And it was when he wasn't in politics. He was after... He was named MEP before he joined reform or started reform. And he was running... He was literally the host of... Talking pints. Talking pints. And then he had another TV show. We went on... As many people did. We went on his guests of this show. And of course, the idiot left within the music industry thinks that some sort of us being some sort of a fireright in the text. And that's the stupidity you're dealing with.

41:26So, it's a nice question. We come across it very rarely now. There was one agency who said some... I didn't say it to us as it said to some of us. But we've literally now got more offers on the table for next year than we've had in the last sort of eight years we put together. So, we clearly... Yeah. And we've actually been... We've been approached by a couple of record labels recently, which is quite interesting as well. It's a miracle. So, I think that side things has very much gone. You'll get it now and again. We get it from musicians occasionally still. But they're normally the flag shaggers who go your waif flags on the stages of festivals and those more on dinner. So, to ask you a question, no, it's mostly gone. Also, I think it was a very bad idea when musicians got visibly associated with the COVID jab because that eventually became political. It did. COVID eventually became political because everybody could see the deceit

42:27that was going on between some medics and the government. And the fact that it had no long-term data attached to it, it wasn't proven blah, blah, blah. So, when certain celebrities and musicians and entertainers hitched their flag to the COVID jab, it was a dangerous move because not only was it against free speech and freedom to make your own decisions, it was also a political move. And you cited almost by definition with the government and the official narrative. We get approached by the three major parties. To have conversations about standing in elections. And we never would. And I would never align myself with a political party either because they will let you down the surest eggs rings. And I don't have that. I'm not affiliated. I, I the way I feel pretty politically honest, really. But so we've never done that. Which was a, which was a, what's that noise?

43:31Okay. We, we are, sorry, for me. What's that saying? Oh, it's got a little party. Yes, that's right. Yeah. So, so we have, we have, we have, we have been approached, but we, but we never, we never would. And I just, I think they're voice voicing an opinion and saying what you think is okay sometimes. But I think could try to get a balance because also these artists now who insist on talking about their politics on stage, I completely agree with Mick Jagger. And then what Ricky Gervais said at the, at the awards, which is come on stage, take a little award, say a little speech, and fuck off. I feel that, you'd be in high to play your songs, get on, play your silly little songs, wave to the crowd, do your best and then go home. And also you, yeah, why do they come like that? Well, I think it's because I think I don't, I think some artists genuinely didn't really think very, very clearly about what they were doing, what they're actually doing,

44:31is they are, they're trading a, this, this spot on stage, which they've earned through music for a 10 minute diatribe on politics, and it's, it's a betrayal. It's in the same way that when Corbyn stood up at Glastonbury, it was a disgraceful thing to do, not because I disagree, but because Bans, he took 20 minutes or whatever it was, of stage time away from a band. It's a music festival. It's a music festival. That's what it is. And they do, they have 10, they have 10, they have discussion 10s, they have other things. So why wasn't anyone of those? It doesn't need the main stage. It should just be, it should just be back to back music. That's it. Yeah. Let me, let me put a, a span in the works here, has music ever been neutral? Let's go back to Woodstock. That was in the 1960s, and the entire festival was actually a political statement. It was. That's true, but the bands got on and played, didn't they? I mean, they did, which even said what he had to say. The bands whose, they, the joint country, and the fish, song, a song, but they weren't really, it wasn't used as a political platform in that sense.

45:34I mean, there was politics in music, then absolutely. And it tended to be along the lines of sort of more anti-establishment. And there was obviously concerns at that time about the, about being there, just a five being also the race rights, it's just a five being. But, um, this, I don't know, maybe I'm, maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly, but they seem to create, reach a much better balance than we have at the moment. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe getting it wrong. I think there's a difference between, given the, given the fact that the, the government narrative will, in, in all likelihood, have all the support of the media and all its, all its various agencies, it will have a voice, a very loud voice. So, just for instance, during the Vietnam War, the government was, was in control of that narrative as best it could. So, it's not, I don't think it's a bad thing to be politically involved in music. As long as you're, like with Bob Dylan, as long as your music, your politics is wrapped up in music and not in the speech. And as long as you're tilting at, at the right target,

46:36as long as you're, you're forcing people to listen to a possibility that there's another story. But there's another narrative that you could pay attention to. Um, if an artist got up and just went on and on about how great Boris Johnson was, I mean, what's the point? There's no point in that. The point is to go up and stay to write a song about what his problems might be. Or, what Cutney and Chies, as you'd chiefs, did a promo for Big Pharma. They didn't say, we believe in free choice. We didn't, we didn't say, we have had the vaccine, we think you should, you know, we think you should make your own decision. What they called is anyone who wasn't vaccinated, they called them losers. They did the, the I L Y festival. It was pretty horrible. They were known as the, they did, let's hear it for, um, Madonna, let's hear it for Sarah's, all these big cheers going up. And then they did big loser signs for the old vaccinated. It was a, really, it was a monumental low point for music festivals. What do they come? What do they get named as the Pfizer chiefs of Pfizer chiefs?

47:36Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It was truly disgusting that they, that it was used to promote basically a poorly, a poorly researched vaccine. And, and, and basically putting, putting that any or that, not other stuff aside, it should, you know, you go back to choice. They should just say, in fact, this is a really, just get on, play the free music. And that, and that should be that. But so thought it was just a pretty disgraceful behavior. And I think an apology should have been, should have been made. Anyway, it's depressing when people try and other what they call othering people. Yeah. You make them other, you turn them into something other than you. And rather than trying to see the things that unified people, you, you look for the things that separate them. And I don't have any, any patients with that. I think that's why I don't like many politicians because they look for the divisions rather than the, the, the things that join people together. Yeah. I was saying that. I was saying, I don't know. And I mean, one thing only about, you know, most people would get on when we do a festival, and there's, you got thousands of people out front.

48:37Well, actually, as you know, it's actually 20 million. Because it's quite a big festival. When you've got people out front, they just want to have a good time. Yeah. They just want to get, you know, that, you know what I mean? It's, it's, we have had festivals over here where it ends in, in riots and bloodshed and like that, that fire, fire island thing, whatever. Yeah, it was, it's also preferred to the Notting Hill Carnival. And the Notting Hill Carnival, you know, it's a, it's a real shame. I think that point that you're making is probably the best comment of this entire conversation. It's something that I have spent a lot of my personal energy focusing on over the years in this particular podcast. If you had asked me say 10 years ago about any of this stuff, I would have added people. I was very sort of ideological, ideological, you know, and, and I would never mix with a commie, for example, whatever. And yet, I found myself having the greatest conversations with communists, self-proclaimed communists on this very podcast. Because once you realize that you, you, you have in common more than you don't have in common with so many people,

49:43it's an amazing experience. It's like a form of enlightenment. And also, I don't think, I don't think it was a saying original to Margaret Thacker, but I think she must have told me from somewhere, but she said, you can't kill an idea, which is absolutely true. She's absolutely right. People can have an idea. And nothing you can do about it. If they've got that idea, that's what it is. The only, all you can do is hope to learn from it. And if you can't learn from it, then just ignore it. Move on. But don't hate them because you don't agree. Don't hate them because you, the only, the only problem I have with people are people who would be totalitarian towards me, people who will not leave me alone. It should I want to be left alone. Yeah. And that's my, that's where my line is drawn, where I become, I become quite intolerant of people who won't tolerate me. But that generally comes from, from the state and from sort of holy gawker, all infrastructures. Also, because of people that we had all the problems we had in the early 90s and then manifest itself in Moscow in 2007, which came from the anti gay community.

50:52And the most of the hate man we had through the 90s was all sort of gay related, anti gay related and then we got beaten up in Moscow. That was to do with the whole game. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. And what was interesting about that, just going back, there were three people who thought us getting beaten up was hilarious. The far left, the far right in James Well, those three people all thought it was hilarious. And that's, and that's shown you a lot. It was, we had a lot of people coming up saying, you know, you're okay and sorry to see that, but it was always the far right, the far left and the, and the presenter James Well, who thought it was hilarious. It was partly my fault because I did make sexual overtose to the mayor of Moscow. And that was a bad move. Just remind me again about what happened. Okay, so we were doing a private gig in Moscow for an oligarch. He had a big private party. We were the band and we had Russian crew and the term manager, the local term manager.

51:59And it was through a promoter we know and it was all we knew the people involved. And he said, there's, so this was a Saturday night and on Sunday morning, we had a late flight to think about several of the night. And he said, what are you guys doing in the day? And we said, we got a list and come down to this, this, this sort of gathering. It's a, I think called it a fate. And he said, there's a bunch of people meeting up. Well, that's about the two, the two girls. Yeah, but they were, they were a fast. Yes, yes. They're doing a set and and just a bunch of people getting together. So that's what we were told. Hydrast, you say. Hydrast. So we, when we pull up. What happens is that the door slide open and Richard, I kind of bundled out that van then shoots off the van behind us who've got security and the two, the term manager in. I'm told to drive on by the police. So Richard, I thrown out in the middle of Red Square, where all these people are protesting that they've all got masks on.

53:03They've got these sort of traditional headwear. Yeah. And they're doing lots of shouting and screaming. And they've got these masks. So I was immediately thought I said, Richard, I think we're in trouble here and he didn't really get it because I could tell this was an anti gay. They, you know, HIV is airborne. So why they were. I thought it was that. I thought it was air pollution. Yeah, I thought it was. So what really happened was is that the press spotted us. So the cameras are pointing at these 40, 50 guys who are doing that. And the cameras are going away from them and swung around to us. And they got very, very upset. And they came over. They shut. So I got beaten and kicked from behind. I was held by the police while I was getting hit. And so, and we've been in Russia and Eastern Europe a lot. And we, what you never do. If you're in a freckles with the police, you never get to know it. Is that what it's, that's where it goes really, really wrong. So we just grabbed our stuff and we ran. And we, um, and the experiences.

54:04Being in that part of the world, so that's what you have to do. So we legged it. And then what's weird is that all these different factions started running after us. We had Phil crew running after us. Couple of the far right guys. Then our two and a half. Spot it as he was running. Eventually he had found it. The two and a half. And we got. Sorry, exactly, but we got taken into a Italian restaurant that was closed. So they opened up throws into a Italian restaurant and shut the door. And, um, and we had to hide in the back. And there were police. And these far right guys running around and lots of noise. And we just hit it the back and to all calm down. Then we waited, I think three or four hours or something. We got a car cab to get us around the back of the restaurant. Jumped in went to the hotel and grabbed all our stuff. And then we just like the. The hotel in. The hotel in Russia often keep your passport. And they kept us. So the. The two of magic for 14 knew the reception you know, tell. They handed up. Passports over.

55:04He came back to the hotel. We. We by this time we had more security in the. Any band has had this life. And we were then taken to the airport. And we was. You know, taking in the back and all this sort of stuff. And it was it was only when we really took off. From Moscow. When the wheels came up. When the wheels came up that we felt safe. We was all over the news. Well, I think it was. We had to. In fact, we had to. We phone mom actually from the airport. Because the minute we saw it on the. On the scene on the screen. We knew it might be. All cast in it in the UK. And if mom saw it before we told her. She would have absolutely freaked. So we actually phone mom actually from the airport to tell her that we're okay. But it was weird. Yeah. Very weird. You can. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Very weird. If it is, yeah, we've had that before. We've had it in. In Poland, we had the far right coming after as doing all the.

56:04Cutly photographs signs that. As at a fall to stage. And we've had similar things in Lithuania. The gay thing is a real problem. I think they think we're both gay. And they're not really interested. I don't get it. No, I don't know why. That would have been. I saw. No, I saw an interview with the. Can I tell you who I would beat up? Is somebody broke into my home and tried to attack my family? Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. Now I completely agree with you. I don't know. The kind of mentality that you're dealing with in some parts of Russia, and I'm sure in the Eastern, all these in Europe, there's a young guy being interviewed about color and skin color and everything else. And he said, well, you're looking at the example. When you watch your clothes, you don't mix the colors and the whites, do you? That's what that's how he thought. You know, because you know, you'll stain the whites if you put them in with the colors, you know, well, it is correct. If you if you're talking about washing your clothing, if you're talking about laundry, he was using it as an honest version.

57:05Yeah. And also, I don't know if you were taught this, but my mother always said to me, you never wear brown shoes with black pants. Oh, we don't wear brown pants. I do. Surely. Nobody wears brown pants. Which is where I'm with. I don't wear brown shoes though. I never wear brown shoes. I do. I do. I do. I do. I found all that to that. I'll never wear one of those white George Michael suits. No, no, I wouldn't do it all the time. Yes, exactly. Don Johnson was the other one that Don Johnson from my TV. I'm with my channel. I love my TV. No, no, no, no. Ricky Chavez wore one, didn't he? When he tried to win it after he was sacked from his job as a David Brent in the office. He made his own pop video and he was dressed up in white. Was he on a white stallion? White stallion. Very, very funny. Really? Yeah. No, it was. That whole thing in Moscow was very, very weird.

58:07And from that moment on, we took security with us just in case. I was going to go back. We went back and we went back to you. You were great. We had shows in Ukraine and the Baltics. Yeah. Afterwards. We got regular threats online. We'd had the threats in the UK. We used to get sent, some ladies, some crazy ladies, to send us food with smashed up glass in it. And so we had the best white art you should never, ever, except for fans, ever, even if they hand it to you. And so we have that a few times. And we use your crazy stuff, some fans do. But then we went on to another level. It started getting here. They beat their technician's car. They have a few things around the house. So the anti-gathering was a real problem on and off through the 90s and even 2000s. Yeah, it was. Yeah, you forget. It's not an issue now. It doesn't seem to me to be an issue in the UK now at all.

59:07You might get a little bit of a problem. There might be pockets of intolerance, like, say, tower hamlets for various cultural reasons. But other than that, it's pretty, I think people are pretty accepting now, fortunately. But it wasn't so long ago when people were far less accepting and the government through ignorance or malice, I don't know which, at the time, fed into it. And headlines like the gay plague and don't die of ignorance and the whole thing. And also, of course, back in the day that people believed that you had gay people on the left and straight people on the right and never the train shall meet. And it was only when it was realised by the ignorant politicians that many people straddle both camps and straight people started getting HIV, that the money started coming in for research. It wasn't really. I truly, I do think, if it had shown itself to be purely gay and never crossed into the straight community, I'm not sure there would have been any attempt to deal with it.

1:00:09I mean, Lee died a lot good stuff. Yes, she did. She did a lot good stuff, actually. Well, just to make things worse, being gay now also means that you and a presser, did you know that? If you're gay, you're an oppressor. Yes. How so? You're a presser. What are you oppressing? Are the gay people? Well, I don't know. I'm not the one making the game. This is the whole oppressor. There are two... This is the won't thing, which is basically there are two classes of people in the world. There's the oppressed and the oppressor. Right. And you can divide the whole world into those two camps. Right. And that's why the white privilege nonsense comes from. Because they are oppressors. Okay. But it is a lot of wrong ones. But you're right to say it is... I think it's best to avoid all of that stuff. All the won't stuff. And just... I just think you should stop being an oppressor. How about that? I think it's not being an oppressor, exactly. Apologists... Yes. People just...

1:01:09I don't know why they don't think for themselves. People just... I don't understand it. Just... Catholicism is the courage to think. Did you know that the heart of slavery and slave trade is in Africa? Yes. I can believe that too. Yeah, that was massive slave trade. And I would think, you know, we're going to match what's going on in trouble. Place of a camera is don't go. China, North Korea as well. Lots of slave labor, I think, in the Middle East. Well, the reparations... You know, the reparations... I don't know if you saw this, but the church in England has pledged to send 100 million pounds in reparations to make a real barbedro. The reparations position is essentially a racist one, I think. I don't think it's paying much attention to the history of slavery. And when people are told that the British Empire, back in the day, spend a lot of money and a lot of manpower, actually ending slavery in terms of what Britain was doing on the high seas.

1:02:10They don't want to hear it. They just want to rattle on about the British slavery, forgetting about the Ottoman Empire or the Chinese or the Spanish or anyone else. The biggest slave trade is in the world right now, Black. Yes, yeah, exactly. I mean, it is... It is... it is madness. So I think people, as we're going back to what we're saying right at the beginning, think for yourself, there are lots and lots of different outlets now. You don't have to read the Guardian or the list of Sky on the BBC to get your information. You can go on to all manner of websites now. So it's interesting. You see that journalist that got into a immigrant camp in Calais, I believe. And then he lived there, then he got on a dinghy and he's filmed the whole thing. I think it's a name dragon, something somebody wrote. And he did, I think if he got on the... What's her name? I mentioned to you. Oh, so... Soap with? No, no, no, no, no.

1:03:10Oh, shot. Elizabeth... Isabel. Yeah, it is. She's... she talks about it quite a lot. This guy's done this sort of really investigative piece, which is interesting, you know. Yeah, sorry. It's just a timeline. Yeah, it's a... Barrel. No, whatever. It's just a... It's a very... When you walk around and you're just talking to all three people, and that's how all three people are just regular people, everybody senses something weird is happening. They just do. It's a kind of... It's a kind of... They sense it in the air in the minis. They just... They don't know what it is, particularly. They can't put their finger on it. I got the segue for you. As we're coming for the final lap, yet, what they can't put their finger on is what you guys have called a spiritual war. Yeah, yes, it is a spiritual war, I think. It is, yeah. And it's a war against... So there's a lot of talk right now about Christianity and Islam as these two combating influences.

1:04:10My thing is, I'm with Christopher Hitchens on this. I don't need God to be good. So I don't need... What I value is freedom of speech over and above everything. The ability... For every single person to live their life as they choose, not to have some crazy priest, Catholic, Imang, or whatever, over their shoulder, barking orders in their ear about how they should behave, what they should eat, and how they should have sex, and who they should have sex with. It's none of their business. So I don't know if they're not all saying, I don't care what you do, as long as you don't fight in the horses. I don't know what you mean. That's how I'm kind of how I thought I think. Yeah. I'm just looking at the time, Jens, I thoroughly enjoy chatting to you. I hope we do it again soon, but let's just quickly talk about some of your music. Oh, music. Oh my God. Well, we're easy to find. We're on Facebook. We're on Facebook. Are these wrong, Fred?

1:05:10I think it's probably not right now. We're not often now. Yeah, we're very easy to find. If you're going to our website, we're going to find more of the socials on there. Regular updates are on there, and we can be found on the eggs and TikTok, Twitter, so I have to look at it. TikTok, or so on Instagram, Facebook, we're all over the shop. And we have a lovely, a lovely young man called Alexi, who's helping us make our social media sort of makes sense. Yeah. And we're out on the road next year. Yeah, we're going to do everything we'll be updated on. And you've got the greatest tits of them. Yes. Yeah, that's how it was at ages ago. That was a single sound, three years ago. You know, that did a right. He did really well on physical. And so we're doing that. So, we're chatting a couple of labels at the moment. So we're visiting some new material out early next year, and then we'll be on the road. Yeah. That's the plan.

1:06:10I hope that that road extends to my end of the podcast. Exactly. Exactly. And right at the bottom tip of the African continent. Cape Town. Yes. Cool. We're playing Cape Town. And also I knew some of it in Michael Hall, such one of the Poshes schools in South Africa. And also we've got a very expensive school. I know it is. Yeah. We did, we, we, we in Durban had a great curry in Durban. We played a few places in the, we have plenty in the home of the ANC. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Cheddersburg, so we played a lot of places. Bloomvanting is also the home, sorry, the birthplace, I beg your pardon, of Gerald Tolkin. Really? No, where's it? Did you not know that? No, I didn't know that. Well, school day. Yeah, school day. Yeah, exactly. All right. No, it was, it was, we've been there many, many times and we've really, really enjoyed it. And we stayed in a hotel in Cape Town right on the front, right on the coast.

1:07:12Probably chatting, thinking. Yeah. All right, guys. Fred Richard. Thank you for joining me in the trenches. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. On the best metastasis. Thank you, thank you so much. See you soon, hopefully. Bye, man. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Mississippi offers a thriving business ecosystem with affordability, greater collaboration with energy partners, and record-breaking speed to market. Looking to expand, break new ground at Mississippi.org.