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That is called cannibalism.
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You will start there.
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How the SEC wants to create new rules, Greg Sanky now has become the good guy.
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And then we will get into the big 12, burying itself, but your marks been clear.
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We want to be the basketball conference, but the basketball conference doesn't make
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as much money as the football conferences.
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The big 12 putting itself behind the eight ball and then we will finish with Texas A&M
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Two teams that have not done that well in the SEC, well, they had that one yet.
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They had that one year, but they left and for money, but that money is made their viewing
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experience exponentially worse.
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Fisher Dick Weiss Post says as he's the commissioner, Greg Sanky wants college sports
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to return the one time transfer rule.
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Sanky's called for national eligibility standards on rosters.
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This would be the same Sanky that allowed Betty Ako to play at Alabama after being a professional
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basketball player and is allowing the same thing of Vanderbilt.
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It's a little weird.
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This guy you know, literal guy who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima says, hey man, we shouldn't
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drop nuclear bombs while the Greg Sanky's doing this.
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I mean, to be expecting less from the SEC, I can't remember a time that them or any of
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their teams have abided by the standards that they set on the rest of the college football
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They just have a tendency to get in front of the eight ball and then back away and go,
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whoa, whoa, where did this come from and blame everyone else for it?
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It's not at all shocked by that.
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This is another example.
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Certainly the SEC is serving its dominance saying, hey, we can control the rules and make
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And even Sanky expressed the issue with older players, 26, 28 year olds that are in college
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Hey, that's your league that you're letting that happen in a picture you follow college
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football across the state of Texas.
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This is happening a lot in the state of Texas with UT and A&M out of the SEC.
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Does it feel like the commissioner of that conference has let the league just kind of run
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free and do whatever it wants?
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Yeah, it really does.
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It feels more like they have become each individual little little private entities.
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Each team has where they don't really work together.
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There's no congruency.
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They argue over their own championship.
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You heard Lane Kiffin say he would not play in the SEC championship if old Miss got
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And it's just like, if that's the culture of your conference, it's toxic.
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I don't think there's any going forward from that.
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You have to go way backwards to even fix that if you have your top coach, at least in
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terms of notoriety, saying I won't play in the conference championships.
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He didn't make it there, you know, because he's Lane Kiffin and the told Miss.
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But still, I just think if you, if you're at that point, your conference is all over
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I think it's the piece to then you've, you've mentioned this in a lot of your social media
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content you put together about the college football playoff.
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And the SEC wanted to dictate the college football playoff.
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And now that's become a broken mess full of, I mean, I guess if you're the SEC, you're
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winning because it's just your teams.
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You made it your invitational.
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So that, that hasn't skewed from what they wanted to create.
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Are, are you of the belief that the college football playoff needs fixing?
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I thought it needed a little fixing after four.
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I didn't think we needed to jump to 12.
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I think the main problem with the playoffs is that we don't have any standards.
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It would be like if in the NFL, they, we, they got away with all these set rules where
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we know exactly who's in and when they're in and just said, you know, let's make it kind
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But let's pick the teams that might not have the best records or have the best records
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against good teams unless just put the ones that everyone knows, you know, let's make
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sure the patriots are in the playoffs every single year.
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That was, people grabbed their torches immediately.
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So I think it's weird that the S&C is allowed to have the standard of, no, we are, what's
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I can blank in our right now, but it just means more, yeah, it just means more.
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And it's like, they're just means more and they get kicked out first round almost every
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every single team this year got absolutely annihilated.
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And then there's allowed to hold themselves.
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And then you heard them arguing that the group of five shouldn't be in like with J and
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you getting slaughtered by organ.
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But what about when Tennessee hosted Ohio State last year and got slaughtered by like 30
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I just, I don't get that standard either.
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Yeah, it's completely flipped the way that the SEC wants to build narratives even around
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like leagues that aren't their own teams that aren't their own.
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They want you to feel certain about the wells, but think that they are the kings.
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How much of the SEC villain factor has been exacerbated by the fact that they haven't
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won an actual championship and now going on four years?
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It's, it's, it's weird to think of it as villain.
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It more makes me just happy every, every time there's a great meme that says another
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hypothetical win for the SEC, I see it posted on every, every post I see now.
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And it just brings me joy.
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But it definitely adds to their, they feel almost like the an entire conference feels like
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Dallas Cowboys, you know, just assuming that everyone has to respect them, like I thought
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that assuming that they have to be respected because of their history, but they're really
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starting to feel not like the blue bloods anymore.
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The big 10 has really kind of knocked them off recently, obviously recently and they,
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they just don't seem like the old SEC.
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And I think a lot of that is an I L. And I think a lot of that is just what they're doing
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now, pissing a lot of people off, rubbing a lot of coaches possibly the wrong way.
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When we come back, as much as the SEC is making mistakes, the top level by positioning itself
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as the villain that will ultimately crash and fall, the big 12 has positioned itself
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as meek and mild with a basketball approach to college athletics that ultimately could
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Would you rather be a human being stuck in a hot air balloon 920 feet in the air on a
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cell phone tower in Longview, Texas or a power for conference commissioner who sells
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their soul to basketball because I don't know which position I'd rather be and fish
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considering the big 12 is sold out for basketball and sold out for TNT, which by the way might
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actually fold TNT announced yesterday.
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They might not be a thing anymore.
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I disconference selling itself to hoops.
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I just don't think is going to be a long term play that behooves the league.
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But have you Drake considered cool courts that have screens on that?
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Or playing games in Mexico or playing games and times where I there are ideas for passing
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I mean, have you considered that playing on a TV?
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That's something that people tune in for innovation that excites, if you will.
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And look, basketball football moves the deal.
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Basketball is fun, but the big east predicated itself on basketball and that conference is
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They had to lose all their football basically other football schools.
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The big 12 wants to make money, but basketball, albeit undervalued, is still just not even
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close to football money.
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It really isn't, and I really think it's partially because they're different games.
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But the NBA is really hurting right now, if I remember from the last year.
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And like, I just think that makes people not as interested in college basketball as
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They just are not interested in basketball right now.
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NFL is doing incredibly well.
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College football obviously is doing incredibly well.
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And so I really think the big 12 backs the wrong horse on this one.
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I think furthermore, the big 12 have not made great decisions to some of their acquisitions
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of teams over the past few years.
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I wasn't really excited about UCF or Sensi.
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I felt like they don't really mesh in our conference.
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They don't really have, of course, UCF won the National Championship in 2017.
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But they just, I don't know if they have this history really needed to be in a powerful
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I didn't really like that acquisition, but yeah, the big right point, I don't know why
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we're pushing so hard for basketball right now.
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It isn't seem to be going in the right way.
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So I guess on the, the inverse of that, if pushing basketball is because basketball is
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so good and obviously it is the big 12's the best conference in college basketball.
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Does it just point to the fact that or, or is it a fact that football is not good enough
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to be a bell cow of the big 12 this leak and hang its full hat on?
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I think we, we lost a big branch over past few years.
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I mean, OU and Texas are, Texas, especially, started to be one of the biggest brands.
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The hook of the horns is one of the most notable, like recognizable logos there is.
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And I think that moving away from trying to push up another brand, like I think, I
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talked about this one of my videos, like tech saw that and we're like, okay, we need to
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be the face of the big 12's not.
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We need to do that.
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And I think not having a, oh, they're a big 12 team now notably, like everyone used to
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think UT was the big 12 team not having that anymore, it definitely hurts conference.
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Where do you rate the big 12?
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I mean, you, you cover a college wall across the board.
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You've been a lot about how to fix the post season, how to fix the portal, how to fix
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Where do you rate the big 12 as it, as it pertains to town at basketball, the number
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one, I won't allow you to respond.
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Where, where do you put the big 12, can the big 12 stay alive long term when it faces
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some of the other big dogs?
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I think that there's a lot of Boomsday preaching when it comes to the big 12, I think we're
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I think that right now goes big 10, it goes SEC.
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And I think if you look at how poor the ACC ended up panning out a little past year,
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and they don't really look like 10, a great spot either.
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I think we, at least overall, we have the most parity.
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We are now the fun conference I talked about that in my videos that we are what the
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PAX 12 was five years ago, where every game is kind of a nail-biter, even though it doesn't
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You know, BYU can go all the way to triple OT with Kansas, and it's not that shocking.
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And I think we are the fun conference, and I think that's what we need to start really
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selling is that, hey, we are the conference where there's anything can happen.
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We used to talk like the 12 team nine games, one true champion.
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We need to bring that back, that like we are the conference where anyone can win it.
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It's not like the big 10, where it's going to be Ohio State or now Indiana every other
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It's not going to be BAM at Georgia every other year.
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Who knows when the big 12, I seriously last year could have seen anyone pulling out
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except for Oklahoma State, but it really could be anyone.
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And I think that's what we need to start pushing is that we have this parity, and I think
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we do have the talent for it.
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We have a lot of big brands still in it with good eye and I out.
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So parity, does parity sell, I like watching it, you like watching it, does America like
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watching when Kansas and BYU go to triple overtime, or are they by and large going to
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pass on that in the big 12 cannot, it would make a mistake in trying to build its conference
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That's one of those where it's, it's going to be looking back.
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I think that's a hindsight question, because I think it could survive.
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I think true college football fans, not casual ones, really like that.
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I think that is, that's what college football is all about, is it's chaotic, it's dumb.
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The number one team in the conference can go and lose and a giant upset on the road
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to the unranked team, and that's going to happen.
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And that's what college football has always offered is, like an alternative to the NFL,
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you know, the better team on paper isn't always going to win.
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So parity does think that that is totally a possibility and move forward, but it sometimes
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a lot of college football trutters are like, no, that just means the conference is bad.
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Another piece of this before we jump into the A&M and Missouri conversation, and this just
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came out from Ross Dallinger, by the way, is that the Utah president is going to be
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in the, in the room this Friday, when the president of the United States meets with college
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football leaders to discuss how to move forward, how to make sure that we, we can make college
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football a little more appeasable.
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Interesting, you know, that where, where, I mean, do you think, and this, I don't want
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to dip too far in politics, do you think this is a time given the state of affairs for
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our literal country, that we can still from a legislative level fix the sport, or should
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our folk, it's our focus a little too tight up elsewhere.
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Um, you know, I, I don't know if, um, if Nick Sabin really should be commander in chief
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of what's happening in the Middle East, but do I think that handling and some really
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legendary coaches, um, should maybe get involved in a more administrative sense of the sport?
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I think there definitely needs to be, there needs to be legislation on an aisle.
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It's kind of insane that it's, I've said this for a while, that it's just like one way contracts,
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like, hey, we're going to pay you to come play for us, but there's no obligation for you to stay.
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Um, there needs to be some kind of wads around that.
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Um, and yeah, I'm not, I mean, you just saw it happening in Mississippi.
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They, they are giving no taxes on an aisle.
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It's just kind of crazy that they've gotten to that point.
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Um, so obviously, there needs to be some kind of regulation and some kind of, hey,
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it's going to juggle right now.
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There needs to be something done.
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I don't care what it is, just something that says it's moving in a direction.
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Yeah, I draw the line at the $7 million quarterback in Mississippi State paying no income tax.
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That's where I draw the line while I sit over here and scrape up pennies on my end.
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Fish, let's get into Missouri, Texas A&M and how those two schools have,
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have ultimately fluffed by leaving the big 12.
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Fisher I've been of the mind.
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If you're an A&M fan, if you're a Missouri fan,
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you probably think, oh, I love it.
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We went to the SEC.
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Yeah, you live in cop L Texas.
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You're a biggie of what you know.
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Your mom went to A&M.
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You had to go to play.
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But your mom went to A&M.
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You live in Joplin, Missouri.
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And your uncle went to Mizzou.
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You heard the world.
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Well, he got kicked out of sophomore year.
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But he went there for a little bit.
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And you thought, we're so glad with the SEC.
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Now, of course, we're below 500 in SEC play
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since we joined the conference.
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And we can't seem to succeed on the national level
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or win the SEC championship.
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But the school is making a lot more money.
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My pushback is Dan and cop L has never seen a dollar
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of that money that his school got.
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And instead, all he's seen is more and more losing.
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It just means more losing.
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You leave the big 12.
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You're best suited to be.
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And you try to take out the go to the big pond
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or the fish are way bigger.
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Those schools cannot compete for championships there.
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They can win every now and then they cannot compete.
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Leaving the big 12 was a mistake.
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Because it killed the viewership of the actual fans.
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I mean, hey, at least they have a shiny new stadium
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that they have to pay $800 to sit front row at.
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You know, and this really has been my problem
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with A&M as a whole.
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It's not the fact that they're cold.
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It's not because they are.
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It's not the fact that they don't have cheerleaders.
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And it's not the fact that they act like they're
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it's their year every year.
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It's the fact that they all of that is tradition
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and they pride themselves on tradition.
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Their fight song is about the rivalry with UT.
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They're saying gigam is about the rivalry with TCU.
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And they they every I went on a tour there
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and they all they do is hammer tradition tradition tradition
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and to you and they left it all for money in 2011.
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They said, you know, we're good.
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We're going to take money.
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Even though we claim we are a tradition based.
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We only let's all we care about.
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We're going to get a new stadium.
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And we're going to join the SEC.
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And then we're going to go under 500 the entire time we're there.
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Hey, but at least they got eyes.
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We want to round with it.
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That is the the whole yeah, Kevin Sommelings.
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That worked out really well, right?
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Yeah, Jimbo Fisher because that worked out really well.
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They're now still paying head coaches that they had to fire
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and they're paying them because they fired them.
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That's kind of in the MO for these big 12 schools.
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Really any school that joined the SEC Arkansas in 94 95.
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In that indeed, hey, let's go join the SEC.
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And it's been terrible for them for 30 years.
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Blowing up the Southwest Conference.
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I know the toothpaste is out of the tube, man.
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But wouldn't it be awesome if we could just wave the magic wand tomorrow.
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And I think ultimately they may not know it's for the better for themselves.
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But A&M Missouri fans should agree that we can wave that magic wand
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and go back the way things were.
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It would be who've them a ton.
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Because yeah, the school is getting more money in the SEC.
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But that brand new hot tub at the training facility.
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You don't get to use that.
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The fans don't get to use that.
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They're seeing more losses.
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And I think if you were to ask a fan would they rather have a new stadium
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or were they rather than going 7 and 6 every year or 8 and 4 every year
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and the SEC go 10 and 2 11 and 1 every single year in the big 12.
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I think they'd rather that.
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I think they would rather have more accolades
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than a brand new building on campus.
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I think the average A&M fan and average Missouri fan would much rather that.
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And it makes me wonder if A&M knew that the playoffs were right around the corner
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when they agreed to join the SEC if they knew,
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hey, our path to the championship is going to get a lot harder
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now that we have to go through Bama, Georgia and LSU every single year
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just to get a chance to sniff at the national championship.
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I wonder if they knew it was coming.
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Can I make a I can't my show?
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I'm going to make a fairly bold statement here that I don't think that I think is just true.
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If A&M and Missouri walked back to the big 12 tomorrow,
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it doesn't automatically mean they contend.
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No, the way we've seen that pin out.
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I just don't think that those two schools are going to be contenders even in the big 12.
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No, not especially today.
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If I mean if you look at how the bull season went, especially,
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I really don't think that the like I said earlier.
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I don't think the SEC is as dominant as they think they are.
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And then beyond that, I think if A&M and
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and Missouri hop back in, especially Missouri, hop back in right now,
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I don't think they're top of the conference like they think they are.
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They I think they learn really quickly.
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We got to do something.
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I mean, A&M year after year has had at least top five recruiting classes for the past
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what five years or something, especially in the transfer portal.
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And what they have to show for it.
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I mean, going seven and five, you beat BAML a few times.
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That's their biggest act light.
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Is that, hey, we beat BAML when they were number one.
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Did you win a national championship with all of that?
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Have you done any of that?
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I don't think it makes sense for them to have done that.
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And looking back, I don't think it makes sense for them to leave the big 12.
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I get their kiss about Longhorn Network.
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But I think again, hindsight, it makes more sense to stay
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in the big 12 and really bolster that conference.
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Sure, we just lost Nebraska.
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But that that was forever ago.
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And we had just lost my zoo.
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But that's not that bad of a hit.
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I think if they stay,
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they try to pull someone like Arkansas into the into the big 12.
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I think if, similarly, if UT and OU stay,
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the big 12 right now has Washington and Oregon.
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And I fully think if they just stayed within the conference,
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the big 12 is, I mean, if you look at the big 12 picture,
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2011, that is a power conference today.
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That is a for sure.
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Every year, contending conference.
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So yeah, I just don't really know why.
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And I'm felt the need.
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I regret doing this.
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But put yourself in the mind of an M fan.
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You're in their headspace.
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Would you rather win or you have your school bring home money?
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You just had me jump into a Missouri and an M fans brand.
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So I'm kind of in pain.
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But I'd rather win.
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You know, I'd rather much, much, much rather would.
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Sure, maybe I get my ass boot by UT every every year.
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That's my one loss of the season.
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I am cool with doing that every year.
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If it means I have a few big 12
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championships under my belt.
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If I have few conference championships under my belt,
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I am so happy with that.
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I don't need a Kyle field.
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I am cool with playing and Floyd Casey.
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It means that I bring some freaking accolades.
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This before we wrap up this thing,
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you are Brett Yormark, the big 12 commissioner.
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Let's flip it to the big 12 for a second.
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What is your number one point of emphasis on X, Y, Z to change?
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If you're going to succeed against the mighty SEC
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and the big bad A&M's and Missouri's of the world,
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what do you flip to help build back the big 12 pieces
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that need to make them a prominent conference?
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A lot of that is going to be retroactive.
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I think we don't try to get Cincinnati or UCF or Houston.
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I love the Cougs, but part of me doesn't think I go for them.
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Part of me thinks I go for a lower level SEC team,
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like I said, like Arkansas.
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I think I go for something that has a larger brand
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But right now, what I'm going to do is really try to push
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the brands that are working, and that would be tech.
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That would be BYU, that would be Arizona State,
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that would be Arizona.
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I think Baylor and TCU could get it.
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Both have, I would really push the ESPN
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and Fox to be like, hey, look at how fun these rivalries are.
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Look at how fun the Baylor and TCU,
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I'm not calling it the blue bonnet battle,
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but look at how fun the revival is.
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Look at how fun tech versus Arizona State is
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and has been for the past two years.
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And I really use some kind of magical powers
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to get them to think of us as a fun conference to watch.
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What the pack 12 was, maybe we're not going to be in the trenches,
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but we're letting up the store board.
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That's, look, man, if you're a fan,
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one of the small schools, the big 12 added top to here,
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but he's the expert.
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Fisher Hardgrave, working folks find more,
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working folks find more of your budding work.
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They can finally on TikTok.
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That fishy takes 19 all lowercase.
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I don't deal with caps.
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And that's that's the main place you'll be able to find me.
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I try to post this often as I can.
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Only big 12 foot ball.
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It's the best conference there is.
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This is me using my phone as a microphone now,
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because everything fell apart, man, show.
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This has been always will be locked on.
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Thanks for making the year first.
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Listen every single day.
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Do say good on day.