The Left Has Been Funding the KKK & N*zis : WTF HOW IS THIS REAL?!

🚨 The Southern Poverty Law Center — one of America’s largest “anti-racism” organizations — was caught funding the KKK and neo-Nazi groups with millions of dollars.

In this explosive Based Camp episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins break down the shocking DOJ indictment revealing how the SPLC used money laundering, fake entities, and paid plants to keep cartoonish racist organizations alive. Why? Because the “racism industrial complex” needs visible villains to keep the donations flowing.

Topics covered:

• How the SPLC funded the Charlottesville “Unite the Right” rally

• The economics of fear-based nonprofits

• Why much of today’s “far-right” extremism appears AstroTurfed

• Nick Fuentes botting & relevance farming

• The difference between real policy discussion and performative racism

• How genuine conversation on race, immigration, and culture gets sabotaged

This is must-watch content for anyone tired of the endless outrage cycle.

Show Notes

The Department of Justice’s Bombshell News

The Indictment

* According to the indictment, some Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) donor funds were used to secretly pay leaders and members of racist, violent extremist groups, and at least part of that money was used to support their organizing and activities, including the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally.

* The indictment alleges that, contrary to donor-facing representations about “dismantling” hate groups, SPLC used donor funds to pay a covert network of informants (“field sources” or “Fs”) who were themselves leaders or members of extremist racist organizations.

Key uses of funds described:

* Covert payments to informants embedded in or leading groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, National Alliance, National Socialist Movement, and American Front.

* More than $3 million in SPLC funds were secretly funneled between 2014 and 2023 to these Fs associated with various violent extremist groups.

* Funds were routed through fictitious entities and disguised bank accounts (Center Investigative Agency, Fox Photography, North West Technologies, Tech Writers Group, Rare Books Warehouse) to conceal that the money came from SPLC donor funds.

* After those accounts were shut down, SPLC allegedly continued to pay Fs via ACH transfers labeled with disguised monikers such as “Rarebooks050” and “IPResearchCON050.”

Examples of specific racist/extremist activities supported

The document gives concrete examples where SPLC funds allegedly enabled or facilitated racist organizing or demonstrations, not just passive “information gathering.”

* Unite the Right rally (Charlottesville, 2017)

* F‑37 was a member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 “Unite the Right” event in Charlottesville.

* F‑37 attended the event at SPLC’s direction, made racist postings under SPLC supervision, and helped coordinate transportation for several attendees.

* SPLC secretly paid F‑37 more than $270,000 between 2015 and 2023.

* This means SPLC funds, as alleged, were used to pay someone who actively participated in planning and logistics for a major racist demonstration.

* Support to the National Alliance (neo‑Nazi organization)

* F‑9 was affiliated with the neo‑Nazi National Alliance and served as an SPLC F for more than 20 years.

* F‑9’s activities included fundraising for the National Alliance, while being paid more than $1,000,000 by SPLC between 2014 and 2023.

* The indictment states that SPLC donation money was used “for the benefit of the individuals as well as the violent extremist groups,” which in this case includes a fundraiser for a neo‑Nazi organization.

* Payments to leaders of other racist groups

* F‑27: reported officer in the National Socialist Movement and Aryan Nations‑affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club, secretly paid more than $300,000 (2014–2020).

* F‑42: former chairman of the National Alliance, featured on SPLC’s “Extremist File” donation page, paid more than $140,000 between 2016 and 2023.

* F‑30: leader of the National Socialist Party of America, former director of a faction of Aryan Nations, former member of the Ku Klux Klan; paid more than $70,000 between 2014 and 2016 while SPLC simultaneously used his “Extremist File” page to solicit donations.

* F‑43: reported National President of American Front and convicted federal felon for participation in a cross burning; paid more than $19,000.

* Another F described as Imperial Wizard of the United Klans of America, and another as a Ku Klux Klan member married to an Exalted Cyclops, also received SPLC payments; one Klan‑connected F received more than $3,500 during litigation about Klan participation in an Adopt‑a‑Highway program.

* Indirect funding to additional extremist leaders

* The SPLC allegedly funneled more than $160,000 from a fictitious entity to F‑11, who then sent funds to various violent extremist group leaders, including a former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

The press release

“Between 2014 and 2023, the SPLC secretly funneled more than $3 million in donated funds to individuals who were associated with various violent extremist groups including the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, and National Socialist Party of America

A Grand Jury in Montgomery, Alabama, today returned an indictment charging the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) with 11 counts of wire fraud, false statements to a federally insured bank, and conspiracy to commit concealment money laundering. The United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Alabama Northern Division filed two forfeiture actions to recover alleged proceeds of the organization’s fraud scheme. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigated this case with assistance from the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI).

“The SPLC is manufacturing racism to justify its existence,” said Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche. “Using donor money to allegedly profit off Klansmen cannot go unchecked. This Department of Justice will hold the SPLC and every other fraudulent organization operating with the same deceptive playbook accountable. No entity is above the law.”

“The SPLC allegedly engaged in a massive fraud operation to deceive their donors, enrich themselves, and hide their deceptive operations from the public,” said FBI Director Kash Patel. “They lied to their donors, vowing to dismantle violent extremist groups, and actually turned around and paid the leaders of these very extremist groups - even utilizing the funds to have these groups facilitate the commission of state and federal crimes. That is illegal – and this is an ongoing investigation against all individuals involved.”

The SPLC is a non-profit organization headquartered in Montgomery, Alabama, whose mission, according to its website during the relevant time period, was to be a “catalyst for racial justice in the South and beyond, working in partnership with communities to dismantle white supremacy, strengthen intersectional movements, and advance the human rights of all people.”

According to the indictment starting in the 1980s, the SPLC began operating a covert network of individuals who were either associated with violent and extremist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan, or who had infiltrated violent extremist groups at the SPLC’s direction. Unbeknownst to donors, some of their donated money was being used to fund the leaders and organizers of racist groups at the same time that the SPLC was denouncing the same groups on its website.

“Donors gave their money believing they were supporting the fight against violent extremism,” said Acting United States Attorney Kevin Davidson. “As alleged, the SPLC instead diverted a portion of those funds to benefit individuals and groups they claimed to oppose. That kind of deception undermines public trust and social cohesion.”

Between 2014 and 2023, the SPLC secretly funneled more than $3 million in donated funds to individuals who were associated with various violent extremist groups including:

Ku Klux Klan

United Klans of America

Unite the Right

National Alliance

National Socialist Movement

Aryan Nations affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club

National Socialist Party of America (American Nazi Party)

American Front

According to the indictment, the objective of the scheme and artifice was to obtain money via donations through materially false representations and omissions about what the donated funds would be used for.

In order to covertly pay the individuals, the SPLC opened bank accounts connected to a series of fictitious entities. The covert nature of the accounts allowed the SPLC to disguise the true nature, source, ownership, and control of the fraudulently obtained donated money the SPLC paid the individuals. In order to keep the scheme going, the SPLC made a series of false statements related to the operation of the accounts.

A conviction will result in the forfeiture of financial gains from the alleged illegal activities.

Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and FBI Director Kash Patel made the announcement in Washington.

The details contained in the civil forfeiture complaint are allegations only.

Updated April 21, 2026”

The Southern Poverty Law Center’s Response

They stopped posting on X in 2024 but in hindsight their posts look like reports of all the “alt-right hate” they’re funding lol

Their response on YouTube

* In a pre‑indictment video statement, interim CEO Bryan Fair said SPLC had been informed it was under a federal criminal investigation focused on its “prior use of paid confidential informants” to infiltrate “extremely violent groups.”

* He framed the paid‑informant program as a dangerous but necessary tool to gather credible intelligence on white supremacist and extremist groups that pose serious threats to communities.

SPLC leaders have said they will “vigorously” defend the organization, its staff, and its work against what they describe as baseless or politically driven accusations.

They characterize the program of paid informants as a longstanding effort to infiltrate extremist groups in order to monitor threats and prevent violence, not to support or promote those groups.

Interim CEO Bryan Fair has publicly defended the payments as necessary to place people at personal risk inside violent organizations and said information from informants was shared with law enforcement and “saved lives.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center’s Salaries

* Margaret Huang – President / CEO

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 466,934 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 55,806 USD

* Derwyn Bunton – Chief Legal Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 264,277 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 37,801 USD

* Lashawn Warren – Chief Policy Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 256,191 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 37,435 USD

* Seth Levi – Chief Program Strategy Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 251,745 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 36,151 USD

* Ann Beeson – Chief Program Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 249,191 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 47,519 USD

* Sybil Hadley – General Counsel

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 242,869 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 47,089 USD

* Cherry Gamble – Chief Development Officer / Interim Chief of Staff

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 240,721 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 47,208 USD

* Arun Kandel – Chief Information Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 239,894 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 46,924 USD

* Twyla Williams – Chief Human Resources Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 237,861 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 47,505 USD

* Erika Mitchell – Treasurer / CFO

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 225,020 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 45,658 USD

* Shannon Farley – Interim Chief of Staff

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 210,108 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 43,710 USD

* Julian Teixeira – Chief Communications Officer

* Reportable compensation from SPLC: 190,894 USD

* Other compensation from SPLC/related organizations: 28,552 USD

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am beyond thrilled to be here with you today because we got the craziest of crazy news.

Oh my God. The KKK was funded by the Southern Poverty Law Center. For people who don’t know, that is one of the largest Anti-Defamation. Anti-racism organizations in the United States. This is the core leader and shield bearer of wokes with the only organizations that even come close being things like I wanna say the, the, like a DL right.

And, and

Simone Collins: they’re worse than the a DL. They’re, they’re more, they’re more extreme and active than the a DL, from

Malcolm Collins: my view. Yes. This is like the leaders of the woke. This is, this is woke Kings of America,

Simone Collins: the ultimate fighters of racism, presumably,

Malcolm Collins: and not to a small amount. It was literally millions of dollars, multiple.

Millions of dollars. And when you consider the amount of funding that something like the K, k, K [00:01:00] is likely actually getting from people, because if you’re employable or the type of person who can make millions of dollars, you typically don’t fund the K, KK.

Simone Collins: No,

Malcolm Collins: because well, one thing, you wanna keep your source of income even if you secretly agreed with them.

And even if you didn’t, very few people who are like. Competent and make a lot of money are that level of racism in in the brand of the K, k, K

Simone Collins: oh yeah. And also if, if you are actually super racist and you have a lot of money. You would secretly fund acts of racism in other ways? Like these organizations are not

Malcolm Collins: effective.

Simone Collins: Yeah, they’re not actually effective in driving racism. Like maybe you’d buy like Russian bot farms to fuel, like racist hate or something. Maybe pay some like Pakistani people to like, you know, spam with a lot of clips that are racist. X and YouTube and Instagram, but not. Not the K, k, K. It’s so weird.

Not like the National Socialists in in America. [00:02:00] What are you doing?

Malcolm Collins: This may have been, and we’ll be going into this the core thing, keeping the lights on at the KKK. Mm-hmm. And note here, it wasn’t just the KKK, you know, the Charlotte V riots that the left freaked out at forever. And then they play that clipped piece of Trump saying good people on both sides, and then saying very explicitly, but I do not mean the racist.

Right. Like obviously

Simone Collins: they leave that out. No, no one knows about that

Malcolm Collins: party. No, they leave that out, right? Because they lie. That’s the only way that their side seems like the good guys. But it turns out that the racists who were at that rally were bused there. By the Southern Poverty Law Center’s dollar

Simone Collins: and or were paid plants by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Malcolm Collins: Well, they say paid plants, but I wanna go into how plausible is it that these people were actually paid plants and that they were not paying to just keep the lights on within these organizations so that they would have a reason to protest, to ask for more power, to ask for more money to [00:03:00] accumulate.

You know, government and bureaucratic resources in power,

Simone Collins: because this exemplifies something we say about nonprofits over and over. If you see a nonprofit that makes its money from donations and has survived for any non-trivial period of time. This is not something that exists to, to serve its mission.

This is an organization that specializes in raising money. And if you’re raising money, presumably for a cause, the bigger and badder and scarier, the, the battle you’re fighting seems the more effective you will be at your actual functional purpose, which is raising money. So the Southern Poverty Law Center, it, it’s existentially dependent on the existence of.

Cartoonish racism in the United States. And this really exemplifies just how terrible it is to be an organization that depends on donations for survival.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, I think, and I’ve said this and this is one of the things we’re gonna go over in this episode, is that [00:04:00] most of the cartoonish racism w.

States, it’s now clear is actually AstroTurf by leftist. Yeah. And we’re gonna go into evidence of, for example, Nick Fuentes. Over half of his viewership maybe around 75% looks to be Botted. Oh. Really? Yeah. I mean the, the left has basically made him relevant again by continuously publishing pieces on him and doing, which we will go into.

A huge amount of botting of him, because obviously this isn’t right wing people botting him, he keeps telling people to vote against Republicans, right? Like he’s one of the biggest annoyances to the Republican party. The group that benefits the most from his voice going silent is Republicans, right?

Mm-hmm. And so what we’re basically gonna point out is, is this is just not a, a widely held position among any portion of the base. There aren’t these cartoonish racists out there anymore. Yeah. At least in terms of like any, any organized capacity, any large ground swell capacity, there [00:05:00] are people with specific racial grievances.

Like the tearing down of historic statues. But anyone could see why that would cause somebody to be upset or people taking jobs for undermarket rages or certain groups acting in ways that are unfair, like, promoting their own over outsiders, like happens sometimes with Indian immigrants and people can complain about that.

Or crime waves associated. With Catholic immigrants, which we have another wave of right now. And every time we get a wave of those, we get a huge organized crime. Boom. Point out like the mob, the mafia, just a Catholic immigrant thing. But these are all, these are all his like just things that we, the US have done historically.

The cartoonish racism. And again, people will be like, oh, cartoonish racism is historic to America. That might be a whole other episode is, is how actual were people in the past? Yeah. And we’ve pointed out when you actually go to writings and stuff like that during the period of active slavery, there was a lot of cartoonish [00:06:00] racism.

But the average person was probably significantly less racist than you would imagine from what you are taught in schools today. Mm-hmm. And after slavery was over you know, you go to the 1950s and stuff like that. In some ways the average, like if you’re contrasting it with the white economic situation.

Today is significantly better when compared to the black economic situation than the two were in like the 1950s, for example. Mm-hmm. Same with racially motivated violence. If you look at black people who were killed from 1950 to 1960, I go to 1950. ‘cause that’s when people see as like the, the cartoonish.

You know, whatever period.

Simone Collins: Exactly.

Malcolm Collins: And you contrast that and we have other videos where we like go into all the numbers on this with a number of black people who were killed or racially motivated crimes in the past 10 years. It’s something like five x higher in the last 10 years. Yeah. Which I think things

Simone Collins: have not improved.

Malcolm Collins: Surprise a lot of people. Well, no, it’s not that they’ve not improved. It’s that we might have been sold a false history about. Racial tensions in the United States. Mm-hmm. Which [00:07:00] some people and I, I’ve noted a lot of people who are these young men who are cued and tricked by these leftist campaigns into believing things that work against the broader rights goals.

Is, is they sort of adopt a conservatism that isn’t a indicative of any real historic thought pattern, but is much closer to what a woke progressive Cartoonishly depicts their conservative villain to be. Mm-hmm. You know, that’s, that’s like I point out like, nick Fuentes ideology is completely incoherent.

He’s a Catholic integralist who is upset about Catholic, Hispanic immigration into the United States. If you are unaware of what the end goal of Catholic nationalism is, it’s that the whole world is under one Catholic government, right? The the Vatican, right? If he. You [00:08:00] cannot want borders to stop existing and all be under one giant global Catholic government and be upset about a majority Catholic immigrant population.

That makes no sense. That is completely incoherent,

Speaker: Specifically, what I mean by that is the entire world existing underneath a Catholic government being the ideal form of government, presumably means that the United States would only be better from your perspective as it became more Catholic. And you can’t say, well, they’re a different type of Catholic from a different region.

Because the end goal is all regions under one government,

Malcolm Collins: but. Catholicism is seen as like the most bog standard christiany form of Christianity to Wokes. So I’m gonna go with that. And being racist, well, I’m scared of racist, so I’m gonna go with that. And I bet these cartoonist racists really hate Mexicans, so I’m gonna go with that.

And I also [00:09:00] point out here Catholicism more broadly. Generally like institutionally, one of the least racist forms of Christianity. And it has had to be given the way that it proselytizes. Yeah. So even the idea of being Catholic and a racial supremacist is a totally incoherent ide ideology.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like, have you. Seen how Catholicism has spread, how there’s this constant interest in trying to be like, oh, you know, you’ve always been Catholic. You’re one of us. Like it’s one of the most inclusive religions in the entire world. Insane.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like all your local gods we’re actually saints and you just made a mistake.

And we can, we can work with that. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So that is. And, and this is us. People who are typically on the show are seen as anti Romans or anti Catholics, right? You know, saying this right? Like it is not a racist religion. The Vatican is constantly putting out tracks about how we need no borders.

We need, you know, let more immigrants in. This is [00:10:00] constant, like this is constantly coming from this pope. The last Pope. This is like mainstream. So what, what, the point I’m making here is a lot of these young people. And I, when I, when I talk about somebody like Nick Fuentes or some of these people who are funded by these organizations I’m not saying that they didn’t come to these positions on their own but Nick Fuentes even talks about how he came to his position.

It wasn’t through logic, it was through feeling pushed into these positions. Mm-hmm. By what’s his name?

Simone Collins: Ben Shapiro.

Malcolm Collins: Ben Shapiro, and other people who constantly went after him. And it’s like. I can,

Simone Collins: how seemingly out of nowhere before he was famous or big.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, we’re gonna do a different episode on the Jews where we go into, like, the Jews are causing a lot of problems for themselves right now and Jewish.

Communities need to like they are minting, antisemites. And if you look at Nick Fuentes history and how he was turned into an antisemite, you can see how any like young person could have been [00:11:00] radicalized by the way that. Ben Shapiro using e enormous power compared to what Nick had at the time attempted to isolate and freeze him out.

And there’s some people who back down when you do that to them. But there’s a lot of people, especially people from young white male cultures in the United States that if you do that to them, they are only going to double down you, you that, that, that is, that it like definitionally, there is nothing you could have done to him that would’ve forced him to double down more.

Simone Collins: Huge tactical mistake.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. A massive tactical mistakes that’s being made across Jewish issues right now, which, separate episode, because that one’s going to piss off a lot of people. It’s, it’s bad. It’s bad. But I wanted to go into this because what I wanna understand is one, who are they funding?

What were they doing right? How did they think this would work for people who wanna say no? No, no. Genuinely they were just trying to get information on these organizations. That, that’s the biggest question I have. Were they, like, were they doing what they’re [00:12:00] saying they were doing, or were they actually just trying to fund the opposition?

So, and, and opposition existed so that their stupid flywheel of money could go on forever. Right. Have you looked into the, the cases of this Simone? Like, are you familiar? I have like, what’s your take

Simone Collins: on it? Yes. Yeah. Before

Malcolm Collins: we go,

Simone Collins: what’s my take on, like, what’s actually going on? I, I think that they, they reasoned internally to themselves that they were.

Putting plants and informants inside these organizations and or working with people who said that they would be willing to serve as such for them. Mm-hmm. But I do not think that functionally that’s what they ended up doing. And it really. Maybe without fully consciously acknowledging it, they were just fueling the racism themselves.

We, we had experienced personally someone who was acting as an undercover plant for the UK’s equivalent of the Southern Poverty Law [00:13:00] Center called Hope Not Hate.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: And so we know that organizations do this. They make up fake identities and they, yeah. Clearly, you know, fund these people. They give, they give them budgets to go and try to embed with racists.

But then we see, we saw the other end of it in the most charitable interpretation of this. You know, one in which funding wasn’t used to fuel bad activity. Right. Which we know it was, we know it was used to transport people to the, the Charlottesville protests. We know it was used to do actual concrete, naughty things as it were.

But still what we were, what what, what happened with us was the, the plant from Hope, not Hate, that interacted with us acted like they were a prospective investor. But they were like super racist and kind of like kept dog whistling to us about sort of being some kind of supremacist. And like they wanted to give us money now.

They never gave us money. They never funded us. So Hope [00:14:00] not hate was not doing that, but they were still actively like shifting what could have been an Overton window. Like our world, they were trying to communicate like,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, they,

Simone Collins: I have money and if you guys lean into my racist messaging, then you can have money too.

Malcolm Collins: Which, yeah, but they were basically actively trying to make the prenatal list movement a more racist movement in ev in everything that they did at everything that they went to.

Simone Collins: And this is the most charitable interpretation where no money was actually given, where this wasn’t used to fund any, any naughty, bad stuff.

It was still

way,

Malcolm Collins: It’s, this is stuff that we, you know, we’ve already seen from organizations like hope Not Hate that they. Embedded people in the prenatal movement to try to make the movement with promises of future funding more racist. Now we pushed back against that. That is clear in the hope not hate documentation of what happened here, where we’re like no.

Obviously they don’t, they don’t. Publish that part, but it’s pretty obvious given that they weren’t able to get us saying anything racist. [00:15:00] That we pushed back pretty hard on his racist stuff.

Simone Collins: But let’s look at, so in terms of this Southern Poverty Law Center, did, did you look at the indictment from the Department of Justice?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: And the claims made

Malcolm Collins: so.

Simone Collins: Because the indictment shows that this is just so much worse than what we had experienced from an embedded, you know, again, charitably interpreted, embedded plant trying to expose

Malcolm Collins: things. Well,

Simone Collins: no, it’s so

Malcolm Collins: much worse. And, and to me, I think it’s implausible that they were just trying to get information.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So in the indictment, they, they they anonymize the secret plants, you know, that were put and they give them, they

Malcolm Collins: probably are because we found that

Simone Collins: Oh, that’s great. But in terms of the Charlotte, the Charlottesville plant. There’s just no way that they didn’t fuel things happening. So they call this one F 37 in the indictment.

Mm-hmm. And F 37 was. Okay, if allegedly, they’re a Southern Poverty Law Center, they, nevertheless were a member of the online Leadership chat group [00:16:00] that planned the 2017 Unite the Right Event in Charlottesville. They, they participated in planning it. They attended the event at the Southern Poverty Law Center’s direction.

They made racist postings under their supervision and helped coordinate transportation for several attendees without their participation. It is plausible that maybe the event would not have happened. Because I could even see, again, if I go back to the, you know, our interaction,

Malcolm Collins: a plan, no, I mean, it’s, it’s worse than that.

It wouldn’t have happened. What would’ve happened is it would’ve just been a normal right wing event, right wing protest against racialist overreach against. Whites in America, which the leftists regularly do, and is something worthy of protesting.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: But they come in with this explicit racist messaging so that they can discount a a protest.

It’s over an issue that a lot of people care about.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And it’s, it’s, [00:17:00] it’s been shown in so many different psychological studies that people. We’ll lean into norms set in a group. So if you have someone coming in and they’re just like saying all these racist things and stuff like. Especially if they’re charismatic.

And, and funny and otherwise like genial you know, people might be like, yeah, sure, like whatever. Like, it makes me kind of uncomfortable, but I’m trying to fit in here. This is also a very known issue, like I think plants with the FBI and and other government organizations that have also been embedded to try to.

Root out bad things like this then sometimes get implicated in crimes happening that would not have otherwise happened because they’re like supplying guns and they’re, they’re supplying other things and they not going too far.

Malcolm Collins: The thing that makes it implausible for me is so like, okay, so they, they have these plants in these organizations?

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: well, there are a few. Innocent things you could argue. Now, first note that it, the big red flag for me that, that this is not an innocent [00:18:00] explanation. Okay. Is they were funding fund fund funding this through money laundering.

Simone Collins: Oh, yes. Yeah. So the Southern Poverty Law Center created these separate bank accounts with different names that were so, you know, like, oh, what were the names of some of them?

They were so suss. They, they were, they created fictitious entities called the Center Investigative Agency and Fox Photography, and Northwest Technologies and Tech Writers Group and Rare Books Warehouse to conceal the money that came from the donor funds from this, this nonprofit. And then after the accounts were shut down they claim in the indictment at least.

That the Southern Poverty Law Center then continued to pay these, these secret informants through Aach H transfers, which they labeled with disguised monikers, like rare books, 0 5 0, and IPR Research con 0 5 0.

Malcolm Collins: So wait, they were caught and they went back to doing it after being caught.

Simone Collins: I didn’t pick up [00:19:00] from the indictment, which I’m gonna link to in the show notes.

I’ll put show notes in. It why they were, why those accounts were shut down. But I think at that point they were trying to hide it. Keep in mind and I don’t know, like in the response that they have posted to this indictment, it is an interim CEO giving the response. And the, that means that, like there’s the, the, the former CEO whose salary I have ‘cause I also wanna discuss how much of this leadership is, is making for this nonprofit.

How

Malcolm Collins: much, how much?

Simone Collins: So I think something happened with leadership. Maybe they saw this coming or they knew about the indictment. They must have known about the indictment and that this was coming. So the previous CEO, who was Margaret Huang, she made $466,934 in reportable compensation per the, the nine 90 nonprofit filing

Malcolm Collins: half million dollars a year,

Simone Collins: half a million dollars

Malcolm Collins: she was making.

Simone Collins: And then other compensation from Southern Poverty Law Center related organizations, another $55,000. [00:20:00]

Malcolm Collins: So,

Simone Collins: which is like, you know, a year’s salary for a normal person. But no, that’s just her extra,

Malcolm Collins: extra

Simone Collins: compensation.

Malcolm Collins: So what I wanna go over here is, is to continue going through this thought experiment. Yeah.

So, we know that they were willing to go to great lengths to attempt to hide this, which keep in mind you can do this sort of stuff without needing to hide these trails. Right. Like the k, k, K does not have a very sophisticated financial investigation wing. To track this stuff. The, the guy who was embedded in the prenatal orgs by hope, not hate, he didn’t have to launder money to do that.

So the fact that they went out of their way to launder money to do these sorts of operations against technologically unsophisticated. Groups that are dramatically underfunded certainly wouldn’t be able to track them. Shows that this was about hiding it, not from those groups, but from stuff like the federal government.

Simone Collins: Well, no, from donors is, and that’s what this indictment is about. It’s, it’s not like a. Oh, you’re trying to hide this from us. It’s that you lied to [00:21:00] donors. These people thought that they were funding ‘cause they’re very clear about their mission, that they’re trying to, you know, bring an end to racism in the south and to create a very inclusive, you know, non-racist America.

What they were ending up doing was funding the most racist organizations in the United States, like cartoonishly, racist, not even efficacious organizations.

Malcolm Collins: Well, we keep seeing this like the BLM fraud, right? Where, you know, they, they ran off with all the money. But, okay. So could they plausibly?

Actually another tangent I wanna go on before I go into this.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: This is why we on the right need to be very guarded against people who come off like this, right? Or against people who have been fooled by people who come off like this and be like, no, that’s not what we stand for. And you really shouldn’t say things like that.

You, it. It’s not even to say like. It’s wrong, which I don’t say. I say, well, I can understand how somebody could [00:22:00] have these perspectives. It doesn’t help us win. Okay. Including that in the panoply of things that we are fighting for does not help us win. Mm-hmm. And this is where somebody. On the leaflets red, they wanted me to address this Asma Gold saying that he agrees with 99% of what Nick Fuentes says, right?

And I’m like, yeah, I do too. Nick Fuentes says a lot of stuff. But when you say it’s, it’s the 1% of stuff that’s absolutely crazy that I’m like. That’s obviously meant to sabotage the wider movement. You say 99% of things. Okay. And then you say that 1%, like, I, you know, I want US troops to die, right? Like, what I want the US to lose in Iran.

How, how are you on our side in any of this? Right. Or when I talk about like the things that the right just can’t accept when he is like, I, you know, I can’t support Trump anymore because he took JD Vance to the can, a VP candidate JD Vance a. [00:23:00] Anti-war. He’s the most anti-Iran war guy right now in the White House?

Catholic.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But because he’s in an interracial relationship actually having, is that

Simone Collins: his stated reason? Is that his stated

Malcolm Collins: reason? That was his original stated reason. He’s in an interracial, oh Lord. I don’t think, bro, that will not win elections. We will never, and people are like, well, if we could get all the whites to vote this way, but they won’t.

Okay. You know, they won’t, I know they won’t because

Simone Collins: they just, they don’t care. Most people don’t care.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So if you culturally want to have some, some bias against that, fine, whatever. But we are in this to actually win, not get money from the what it is or Southern Poverty Law Center. SPCL is that S

Simone Collins: plc.

Malcolm Collins: SPLC. SPLC Nick? Yes from the, the Southern Property Law Center. And I, and I, and I note that like, you, you guys need to stop being so gullible about this stuff. Like, I, [00:24:00] it kind of gets me, because I wonder when we do some comments are these like page shows trying to make us look at, it’s very clear that on like our subreddit recently, a bunch of people have been coming in creating stupid straw band arguments that nobody who’s like actually trying to win would be making

Simone Collins: really.

Malcolm Collins: And it’s like. Why is somebody doing this? Oh, you’re probably trying to get this rubber band entirely, you know, you already got it. Shadow banned when it, when it previously had made its way up to one of the top 50 easily subreddits on the website. Mm-hmm. Which was very frustrating. But that’s where we are.

But okay. Back to plausible. Is their explanation good enough? So it was over the course of nine years mm-hmm. It was over $3 million with so

Simone Collins: much money,

Malcolm Collins: 1 million alone going to just one guy in organization. So enormous amounts, concentrating, going to individuals, keeping this stuff alive involved in the biggest flash points in organizing the biggest racial flash points.

And so you could say, well, why could they have been [00:25:00] doing this? Like, what are the plausible other reasons to do this? Reason number one is they wanted to sabotage these organization’s efforts, right? Like that could have been a good reason to do this. Completely implausible. Like, the, the, the guys made no actions to sabotage anything and repeatedly advanced the efforts of these organizations and then got more money, like you could say, like maybe we gave him some money and he said he was gonna sabotage it and then he didn’t sabotage it and then we stopped giving him money.

But no, they like went outta the way to even change how they were funding the guy. Right. Or, or various of these guys. So that’s, that’s not in this

Simone Collins: Well, yeah, you’re, so the, the, just to be a little more concrete, the over 1 million that you’re referring to was for not the unite the right, like the unite the right rally that we referred to earlier, but rather a different informant that was associated with the neo-Nazi National Alliance and.

They, the indictment at least states that the [00:26:00] donation money was used, quote for the benefit of the individuals as well as the. Violent extremist groups. End quote, which in this case includes a fundraiser for neo-Nazi organization. They’re, yeah, just, I just wanna be super clear when Malcolm says like, help them, you know, perpetuate themselves and, and survive that, that, that is what was actually going on.

Which is. Unhinged. And, and also just to be clear,

Malcolm Collins: so let’s go to other potential reasons, okay? Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay. So

Malcolm Collins: no, it wasn’t to sabotage the organizations ‘cause they were doing the exact,

Simone Collins: no, they were helping them raise money. Okay. Right. They were helping them raise money and they were, they were filling the pockets and sustaining the lifestyle of basically people who served as free volunteers for these organizations, keeping them alive.

Malcolm Collins: So, we have the plausible, they are infiltrating these organizations to sabotage them not happening. Okay? It could be that they were infiltrating these organizations to gather evidence. And this is one of the, the, the things that they’ve claimed. One of these [00:27:00] guys rated an opposing white nationalist organizations offices and stole documentation.

The problem is, is this super doesn’t hold up. Let me explain why. So what information might you have wanted to get from these organizations? The key reason you would want to implant yourself in a potentially racist organization like Hope Not Hate did with us was to try to find evidence of, or create evidence of that organization being racist.

Yes. The problem is, is that the organizations that they were implanting themselves in. Are clearly on their face racist. You don’t need a secret informant to know that the KKK is racist.

Simone Collins: I hadn’t even thought about that. Yeah, right. Guys, guys, we found out the KK, K, they’re kind of racist.

Malcolm Collins: They, they do racist.

Tough and have a racist view. Yes, that’s good’s, that’s completely implausible. Amazing. So you could say, okay, [00:28:00] well it might be to track their operations or to look for like, are they gonna do anything violent in the future or anything like that, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. And, and to be clear, the interim CEO. Response to this indictment press release is the, the information we found saved lives.

They’re, they’re trying to argue that just, just to, again

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Share their thought. The problem is, is that this is also completely implausible. So first of all, the information that they gathered from these organizations the, the files that they stole and stuff like that were of. Past actions of the organization.

They weren’t of future plans of the organization, they were of past receipts, et cetera, right? Like they were about what the organization had did historically. That is a very little utility. Of saving lives or preventing future terroristic action. Secondarily, the people that they were giving money to within these organizations [00:29:00] seemed ideologically aligned with these organizational visions, right?

They were only using this money to advance the causes of these organizations. If there was some terroristic action in the planning, these people simply wouldn’t tell them. They would have no reason to tell them. They would actually have an even easier time occluding that some terroristic action was happening.

If you wanted to search out that, what you would do is embed somebody in these organizations like Hope Not Hated with views that are. Actually leftist views just pretending to be a rightist. You don’t actually give the money to somebody who wants to say, exterminate the Jews, right? Like that. What, what, what else could they plausibly have, have put them in for?

And I’d note here if they’re like, oh, this information saved lives. Point to it. What operation did you run based on this? What? [00:30:00] Nothing.

Simone Collins: No. All they said was that they gave information to law enforcement that saved lives. They weren’t explicit about it. It’s

Malcolm Collins: not illegal for them to be explicit about it, so why aren’t they?

Oh, because they

Simone Collins: lying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s true. If I were them, I’d be like, look, there was this one instance where they were like, we’re gonna take out this guy, and then we told the police and that guy was put in a safe house and now he’s Okay. I wanna say that. Yeah. It’s, it’s much better story. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The, the final and this, this is the like, okay. Maybe, maybe is they were just trying to get people involved in these organizations arrested get enough information from people within this wider sphere who might have been hostile to other people that is you. You note the people that they were targeting is people who had lots of beefs within these spaces and get them to attempt to wipe people out of these spaces.

That. That is plausible. But then why, why aren’t they, why aren’t they noting wins on [00:31:00] that front? Like presumably they should have been able to get multiple arrests with, with that much money and that time in? Well,

Simone Collins: the, the narrative they’ve presented though, because they’re saying, well, we’re not doing it anymore.

And when we did do it. It was in order to gather credible intelligence on white supremacist and extremist groups that pose serious threats to communities. So I think the story they’re trying to sell is, well, we thought that if we paid these people to be spies and moles inside these organizations, that we would be able to protect vulnerable communities that might be victimized by them.

And that was the whole point. When I mean that it’s flimsy, but when you look at the reporting. On very left-leaning organizations or media outlets that are covering this, they’re just running with it. Like, well, obviously the Southern Poverty Law Center needed to embed with evil groups to keep people safe.

And they sort of hand wave with that. And so, I mean, [00:32:00] it’s not great, but I think if you, if you don’t pay enough attention, it’s okay. Works

Malcolm Collins: well. Yeah. If you’re, if you’re not paying attention, this seems plausible, but if you actually look at the on the ground facts, we don’t have any meaningful information that was ever transferred to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Now, let’s look at the counterfactual, right? Mm-hmm. They would put that information out there. There’s legally no reason why they shouldn’t.

Simone Collins: Well, they kind of do. So they, they went off, they went off off Twitter, ex, formerly known as Twitter in 2024. With Elon Musk, I think really rising on it. Yeah. They just, they left their account there, but they stopped posting.

And that was the period in which this whole activity was very active. And now all of their posts, which they just, you know, left up. Feel like just a report on all of the racist activity that they funded. They’re like, look at the racism across America. And they like proudly have, you know, their whole like racist maps of America and all this stuff.

And [00:33:00] it now when you look at it and you scroll through it, knowing this it just reads so different active hate in anti-government groups in the US in 2023. And then it like gives this like animated map. And it just seems like. This proud count of things that they’ve funded. It’s really bad. No,

Malcolm Collins: but the the funny thing is, is that, the, if you, if you think about this from their perspective.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So you are them. Let’s go back 10 years when this started, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: If you guys remember what the KKK was like 10 years ago or what racist groups were like in America 10 years ago, they would do like a KKK rally and it’d be like four old men like walking through.

Yeah, it made you actually feel kind of sad for them. You’re like, wow. Like, they’d

Simone Collins: be like, oh buddy. Like, do you want, do you want me to join you?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like, come on man.

Simone Collins: I’ll put on a blue pillow and some khakis and they’re

Malcolm Collins: not a threat to

Simone Collins: anyone. Teammate, torch and walk with you. Yeah, it’s

Malcolm Collins: okay. Giant crowd yelling at them was of course, [00:34:00] always happened as well.

Now you look at like the tiki torch rallies and stuff like that during the period that this was being funded. I can totally see what’s going through their heads. They look at these protests and they’re like, this is why nobody’s giving us money anymore because there aren’t cartoonish racists in America anymore.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And we need to create them. And. Note here, like you can talk about like, and this is what the new right. People are like, oh, I don’t like you speaking on the values of this new right movement. It’s like, I’m, I’m sorry. There’s few people who more embody the tech right than like us, right? Like we we’re, we’re not only that, but we have a pretty loud voice in the space as well.

So like it’s easy for us to, on a loud. Large scale and intellectually articulate because that’s one of the things we do on the show is anthropology and political strategy. So for us to be talking about it only makes sense, right? And through talking about it and [00:35:00] through defining and helping understand it better we can develop.

You know, you could, you could summit it into being, to an extent, which is what we’ve been seeing more and more is this community of content creators who represent this movement. And in this movement we try to have honest discussions about race, about genetic differences, about rare interracial integration is not working where we need to, uh uh, because these conversations.

Need to be had. There are way when somebody’s like, oh, there are racial, yeah, there’s racial conflicts. And that means that interracial integration isn’t going the way that like the urban monoculture wants it to go. So we need to talk about how we actually long-term could resolve these issues. And, these conversations that absolutely need to happen, get shut down by the person who’s just making like racial slurs or secret Nazi signs to like troll reporters or you [00:36:00] know, although it was hilarious. Nick’s your body. My choice thing, right? Like

Simone Collins: that was well done. Yes,

Malcolm Collins: that was well done. Also, his Pierce Morgan interview was very well done.

Mm-hmm. Like he hasn’t done everything, but like when somebody’s like, I agree. Like that entire Pierce Morgan interview, I was like. Clearly Paris Morgan is a buffoon compared to Nick Fuentes on these part. Well,

Simone Collins: as you pointed out elsewhere, people just really like people online. One in in IRL who are vitalistic and happy and optimistic, and though I would argue he has a fairly whiny message, sometimes he comes across in his delivery as someone who’s having a lot of fun and is passionate and is vitalistic, and people just like watching that and being around it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and then there’s our fact, funny is our faction of the right, and you can watch our video on the woke, right, is the faction that. People call the woke. Right? Right. Like it is, it is not the deontological nick faction that people [00:37:00] call the woke. Right. Which is funny because they’ve tried to claim that people are referring to them, but if you actually read the long breakdowns on who is this new woke Right.

Contingent they’re very clearly talking about us. See our video on that if you’re, if you’re interested in it. And, and sort of our wider intellectual sphere. And, and when I say us, I don’t mean us specifically. I’m talking about like this wider community that isn’t obsessed with creating a sort of.

Theocracy in the United States, but instead wants to win on same policy issues because we can do that now. Right? Well, and, and push very hard against really dangerous cults that are growing in our country. Like the cult that’s growing under the banner, under the guise of a part of the trans movement that I think a lot of people can see that is behaving more like a cult.

And we can work to address this, but we can’t work to address this. When somebody comes in the worm and then starts shouting you know, slurs at [00:38:00] these groups and stuff like that, or starts berating gay people or something, right? Like, that prevents us from having the same conversations that we need to have to get realistic policy implemented, because presumably that’s all of our goals, right?

Mm-hmm. It’s many to build a large enough coalition that we can actually change the cultural window. And I think that they, they frankly, were effective at doing this. And, and worse, this galvanizes the left when you had the left go out and do the BLM movement and everything like that. Obviously funded by Russia.

See our episode on that. If you’re unfamiliar with it being funded by Russia, like the receipts are. Manifold

Simone Collins: that blew my mind. I was like, this can’t possibly even be

Malcolm Collins: literally the, you know how the left was like, oh, Russia funded like Donald Trump’s election, literally of the money they were spending to try to manipulate American public opinion.

For every $1 that went to help Trump win the election [00:39:00] or was presumably went to help Trump, they spent on all spoiler candidates. They also spent on Bernie Sanders. So like, clearly it wasn’t a left versus right thing. They spent for every $1 on Trump, it was $9 on BLM. Right? So when people are like, oh, Russia Putin buddy, buddy.

I’m like, if you don’t like BLM, they’re like, these people are effing with us. Right? But in regard to the, the, the BLM stuff. But I think it was Russia’s funding of that in, in coalition with stuff like this group that allowed for this perception on the left. They need to see these large crowds doing these racist things,

Simone Collins: but you can’t raise money if all you have is photos of pathetic.

KKK rallies with like five old men showing up, right? You, you need, you need good photos, you need good stories, you need good anecdotes. And if they did not invest that $3 million, they would’ve had a harder time raising [00:40:00] however million, million dollars they’ve raised. I actually only looked at.

Leadership salaries. I didn’t look at how much they’ve raised historically, but no doubt it’s a lot. Because while their top CEO was a paid almost $500,000 on almost half a million basically the next five leadership people were each paid around 270, $250,000. Like a lot of money. These are huge salaries for nonprofit.

So they, they must be raising a ton of money. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: oh, by the way, if you just wanna go over quickly on the Nick Fuentes being widely AstroTurf.

Simone Collins: Sure.

Malcolm Collins: So, what we see, it’s in the first 30 minutes after posting Fuentes routinely gets retweets at amounts 10 to a hundred x more than his followers Were suggest outperforming individuals.

Elon Musk, which just does not make sense. Who has 200 million plus followers in raw numbers from Nick Fuentes tweets. Now, the [00:41:00] accounts that were doing this, when they did the thing where they revealed what countries these accounts were from, oh no, they were predominantly from India. Pakistan, Nigeria, Malaysia, and Indonesia.

Not famously. Countries with a bunch of you know, like anti-Indian racists and stuff like that. Well, that’s Pakistan, right? They get all the Pakistanis who hate Indians and all the Indians who hate Pakistanis to, to retweet, to, no, obviously this is a, this is a, a, a faking it campaign. 60 to 92% of that initial birth.

Comes from a small cluster of accounts that retweet him within multiple minutes. 92% of these repeat early retweeters were fully anonymous, and it was only revealed that they were from these countries when the, the, the big leak came, came out. So, very likely that if, if we’re seeing his ex account being heavily faked this says to me that his viewers are probably heavily faked as well.

Mm-hmm. Which is almost sort of sad because [00:42:00] like I, I don’t, I don’t think that he isn’t bringing something valuable to the conversation. I think that there are some areas that are worth digging in further. You know, it is worse being more critical, and we’ll definitely be doing that in a, in a near future episode of Jewish relations with the right in the United States and how those can be best addressed given some recent events.

And, that that is absolutely. That is absolutely something that is very hard for people to surface. And when I say hard, I mean logistically hard. Mm-hmm. You bring that stuff up, your account gets banned as we saw happen. To who that giant creator. Who was, who found that Jewish city in New Jersey, and they removed him from patriarch.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. I don’t know his name, but yeah. He, he also has looked at Indian communities. He is just looked at crime in New York. It’s not as though his entire account is, I hate Jews.

Malcolm Collins: Remember [00:43:00] what’s crazier is like. His attack on the Indian community was over a cultural festival, right? Like that they’ve been doing for a long time.

Like that’s just part of their culture that is significant.

Simone Collins: Oh, no. He, he also did a separate one on, on a primarily Indian community, I think in, in Texas. Maybe it was in Tyler. Where he, he walked, walked around.

Malcolm Collins: They

Simone Collins: were doing fraud, but No, no. A lot of it was like, he, he would ask people, he’d like, go into like a seven 11, like, I’m gonna find the Indians.

And then he’d walk into a seven 11 and be like, Hey, on what visa are you here? Do you plan on staying here? Where’s your family? You know, he would just ask those kinds of questions because the premise of it, of the video was this Texas town or city is being taken over by Indian immigrants. Okay, I will go talk with them.

But anyway,

Malcolm Collins: but the point being is that both of these attacks on Indians were significantly more unfounded. Okay. Because one was a very cultural ceremony and the other was people being here [00:44:00] illegal then demonstrably large amounts of welfare fraud by Hasidic Jews, right? Like this is a well recorded phenomenon.

Right? And it was apparently, particularly egregious in the town and. Documented, egregious. This wasn’t like a, he figured this out thing. This is a, like a well-known phenomenon in this region.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, he went to the town because it was famous for it. He went to all these places because they were famous for these things.

Malcolm Collins: But in, in the episode on that, what we’re basically had to point out is then the a DL went to have him banned. So he couldn’t, like, they moved against him. They spoke against him rather than just admitting. Like, oh or, or better, like most communities should do, go after the, the, the Jews who were committing the welfare fraud be like, Hey this is the problem and they shouldn’t be doing this.

And we’re glad that he brought this to our attention so that this can be addressed was in because there used to be Jewish courts for handling this. But we’ll go over this in our [00:45:00] episode on that. But the point I’m making here is it’s important that we as a wider movement, do not fall for what is AstroTurf or like what is fake and the sort of performative racism of youth that doesn’t move these conversations forward in a productive manner.

Mm-hmm. There are a lot of people who are able to finally, after years, after decades, move the conversation around genetics, around birth rates, around immigrants. Communities not integrating with local communities able to move these conversations forwards to the part where we are seeing policy downstream of these implications actually being implemented, actually being plausible.

Mm-hmm. And these other groups are just spoilers for our ability to achieve these. Its and I mean, we’re, we’re winning. We’re winning on restricting abortion access. We’re winning like this, [00:46:00] this stuff is moving forwards, right? We’re currently winning against the, the trans ideology. We’re currently winning against other demonstrably harmful ideologies, but we only keep winning.

If we don’t allow ourselves to be cued by the groups, like hope not hate that, want to create the actual cartoonish racism. And I think it’s important that, that we see these people as one and the same. These are their foot soldiers. The, the KKK are foot soldiers of the Southern Poverty Law Center, not us.

And that’s why, as we pointed out, and how the white laws are racist, the heads of the KKK, if you, if you didn’t know this. But going into the last Trump election, like this Trump election cycle said, do not vote for dumb Donald Trump. They said, vote for Kamala Harris. David Duke said this. Richard Spencer said this, and Nick Fuentes said this.

They were pro Kamala Harris winning, and can you imagine the nightmare our society would be in? [00:47:00] Had that happened, X probably would’ve been taken down, put under.

Simone Collins: Well, honestly, like that’s what, that’s what the Southern Poverty Law Center should be. Should be toting. They’d be like, that was us. That was us.

We, we made them turn left. We made them contribute votes to our side. That would be a

Malcolm Collins: win. Yeah. Well they’re, they’re acting like intentional spoilers, right? Yeah. You know, they’re acting in a way that I think shows their real agenda. And because yeah, there’s no other like, real plausible reason you would tell people to vote against Republican candidates.

If, for example, I said, you believes that life really begins at conception and Republican candidates are successfully making it harder to get abortions.

Octavian Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: But oh, well, I love you Simone. You are an amazing woman. And one thing that I note at the end of all this, tying all this up, is if you’re like, but I, I want.

You know, more racism to solve my racial grievances dying, white populations, dying, white [00:48:00] identity, whatever. Even if you’re one of these people, only you can save the white population, right? Like you, you, what I mean by that is you have to find a white woman and have children, and. Pass your culture onto those children in a way that work, like is intergenerationally stable?

You know, who doesn’t have children over replacement rate? Richard Spencer, David Duke, and Nick Fuentes. None of them do. This isn’t real for them. Laura suer also no children. Even though she’s been engaged nine times, I’m like, that’s a you problem lady. Like people don’t get engaged nine times actually.

But the point I’m making here is we need to not fall for this, right? I think you’re, think someone need to understand that you can. You can understand all of these problems, but still at the end of the day, you are the only one who can solve them

Simone Collins: well. Yeah, and also just hating on other groups isn’t really gonna get you very far.

It matters more that you’re able to make your group strong. If you really care about, like, if you’re a [00:49:00] supremacist, then okay, be a really good parent. Give your kids a great upbringing. Make them excited to pass on your culture to a lot of kids of their own. And, you know, impart advantages to them that give them advantages in terms of wealth and technology, because if you don’t, they will not have outsized influence and they will not matter and they will not shape the world.

The fact that the, a lot of people are focusing so outward on these things of like, well, I don’t want them here and I don’t want this, and I, these people need to go away or whatever. Like, this is so stupid. Everyone is, everyone’s deleting themselves right now. This is, which all you have to do is just be chill and raise your kids well.

Like this is not that hard.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And it’s, and it’s like, and they’re like, well, if I don’t say like, I hate this group in a very angry way, then like, they’ll, they’ll not be leaving. I’m like, Trump’s successfully deporting people right now. Right. And, and at about as fast a speed as he can. In fact, he is deporting people so aggressively.

That [00:50:00] Nick Fuentes has complained about it on multiple occasions, as has he, one of his grievances. Yes. He says that ice is acting like cartoonishly evil and stuff like that, and like too aggressively. This is how you have to act when you’re

Simone Collins: getting bad actor. You cant make him happy. Oh my goodness.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, and he’s just a bad actor.

You know, you, you can’t complain about ice handling. F*****g problem. You say you want handled well, not understanding that people are going to resist and that’s going to look bad, that people are going to have children and that’s going to look bad. Right? Like

I just, it’s insane. Don’t understand how people fall for this. But apparently not a lot of people are. It’s just faked. It’s AstroTurf, it, it’s, it’s not a thing.

Simone Collins: Well, I love you. I love that we live in a timeline where literally the most racist groups in America are funded literally by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

They’re keeping it alive. The beating part of racism. Thank you.

Malcolm Collins: They were funded by the Democrats when they were founded, and

they

Simone Collins: all the, [00:51:00] all the donors, all the donors who are like, I’m donating to end racism.

Malcolm Collins: I love you so much and have a spectacular day.

Simone Collins: You too gorgeous.

All right. I will see you on the next room.

Malcolm Collins: How these companies, I get my site working for every browser, but no, they don’t get their sites working for every browser. I don’t want to though. When somebody enters an error on like a really obscure browser, I’m like, why don’t you use a normal f*****g browser, like a f*****g human adult?

And they’re like, but people are tracking my theater. And I’m like, everyone’s tracking your data anyway. You dumb. But like, what century do you think we live in here?

Simone Collins: So it goes,

Malcolm Collins: it’s like if, if you use an obscure browser, it’s like you, you, you do it because you only want to use the biggest and largest and most mainstream of websites and products because those are the [00:52:00] only ones that are gonna be optimized for you. Which is very frustrating.

Simone Collins: I. People have all sorts of weird

Malcolm Collins: things.

You use a niche browser, you use the perplexity browser, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. But I really like it ‘cause I can just tell it to do things, to control my browser and do things that I, I need it to do that save me a lot of time.

Malcolm Collins: What are we doing for dinner tonight?

Simone Collins: I was planning on just making the kids something simple, but I don’t know quite what

is there anything you wanna add?

Octavian Collins: Yes, the train. Lego, you love Legos?

Simone Collins: Okay. Love you buddy.

Malcolm Collins: Alright. What are we eating for dinner?

Simone Collins: I don’t know. I can make you Burmese chicken with rice. I can make you. Some vermicelli noodles and those bun, let’s do

Malcolm Collins: amusement chicken.

Simone Collins: Amusement chicken of rice I think would be really nice. You haven’t had it in forever. [00:53:00] Yeah. Fried. So it’s crispy. Yeah. Let’s do it.

Speaker 2: Okay. Andy. Andy, is it your birthday? It’s a I. Okay, so it’s your second birthday, right? Yes, it’s birthday. Birthday. Okay. And what is this? A birthday cake. What cake? I’m asking Andy. Andy, what is this? I got the taste, the ing. Andy. What? What is it? We can add? Taste only purple. Only purple. It’s only purple. Do you like the color purple?

Speaker 3: You like it? Put the ing on on the cake.

Speaker 5: Do not touch the cake. Okay,

Speaker 2: wait.

Speaker 5: Candles. Only purple birthday cake. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Okay, so you only want purple birthday cake, right?

Speaker 3: Jack has purple my white.

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