The Lindsay Clancy Obsession: Why Are We Hooked?

0:00Now from New York City to the world, it's Dominic Carter. And the phone lines America are open 800-848-9222. Dominic Carter here with you on this Friday AM. It does some good news, at least as it relates to AM radio, House Majority Leader Steve Scalice vowing to bring the AM radio for every vehicle act to the floor for a vote. So we all know how dependable AM radio is in times of emergencies. And so this is good news. At 9am this morning is when the judge has again told the deadlock jury in Lindsey Clancy's

1:01murder trial to keep trying to reach a verdict after a dramatic six days of deliberations in a case that has gripped America, but the judge at 9am this morning they're about maybe forced to declare a mistrial. Tensions flared and caught after the jury for a woman sent the judge a note saying one juror would not follow the judge's instructions on reasonable doubt. And there was audible shock in the room when the defense team then asked for the juror to be removed a request that was denied by the judge 36 year old Clancy is charged with three counts of first degree murder and the deaths of her three children. But I'm starting with this we're beginning with this this morning. Do you know who is also responsible for the climate we have today with crime and the

2:07coddling of criminals none other than NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick and his taking a knee. Why do you say that Dominic because it sent the signal to those always looking for an excuse for bad behavior that their thought process was okay. And when I've always said about Colin Kaepernick right. It's been 10 years since he took a knee if you felt so strongly about this Mr Kaepernick right. Why didn't you do this your first year as an NFL quarterback. Why did you wait until the end of your career when almost no team was interested in you and you were a backup. And acquiring minds want to know but here we are all these years later and Kaepernick talking about his disgusting display of taking a knee.

3:11You finally took that knee. What was the feeling where was your head. I had a few different thoughts was thinking about all the people before me and the sacrifices that they had made how far they were willing to go. Whether that's the Montgomery bus boycotts. Whether that's Rosa Parks. Whether that's Malcolm Mech. Whether that's MLK. We saw people willing to go extraordinary lengths because they believe that we could be better and they believe that we could bring about rights and equity and justice for everyone. And to think about the sacrifices that people before us had made if they're willing to go that far. How far should we be willing to go. What is the cost and the expense of doing nothing. I got to see different cities respond differently to me. We went to Buffalo, New York. Saw people like my jersey on fire and throwing in front of our bus as we're pulling in for the game. I saw people with shirts that they were selling that had me within the scope of a sniper rifle.

4:13I also saw down San Diego the first time we took a knee a black woman who had a sign Kaepernick for president. Well, certainly no Kaepernick for president. And that's in part George Floyd, Colin Kaepernick. That's all what set the climate to say it's okay to, you know, the criminals of the victims. And you know him taking a knee Kaepernick be professional. And this is one example. I know you retire it now, forced into retirement. This is one example where I agree with shut up and dribble, but in this case, shut up and throw the ball. And if you felt so strongly about this, why didn't you do it in year one? These years later, what do you folks think? 800, eight four eight nine two two two at the White House today. President Trump meeting with Jewish leaders in the Oval Office. And that's a wonderful thing. One of them came out and talked to reporters.

5:15My name is Joseph Stadman, an active in the Jewish community in New York and the Jersey for the best part of 20 years. Today was an opportunity for the first time in over 50 years for the president of the United States to meet with the grand rabbis of the largest Hasidic sect, the vision, the visually, visibly Hasidic community, visibly Jewish people such as myself. We had the opportunity to thank the president for everything that he does in the United States. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm still thinking about the woman at the Brooklyn bookstore, a Jewish bookstore that gave it to mom Donnie when he walked in thinking that he was going to have a perfect photo op. And she said, I don't think so. Hey, you know, who's been stepping up big lately? He was never going to be a contender up against Trump, but Florida governor Ron DeSantis in the last couple of months as governor of Florida.

6:19But he has a leg up on New York and he also did a mic drop, if you will, in making this comparison to New York. So you have Florida now that shining in almost every regard and New York is just the opposite. Here are four million more residents than New York State does. Yet our budget is 117 billion. Their budget is 268 billion dollars. We have the lowest per capita tax in the country. We've paid off just since I've been governor 52% of our state's debt. And we have a smaller government today than the day I took office. See, it can be done. And DeSantis is correct. So I'm curious from you folks to explain why America is almost obsessed, if you will,

7:19this case out of Massachusetts. And that is the the Clancy case. And she's charged with murdering Lindsey Clancy, her three children, ages three, eight months old and five at her Massachusetts family home July, excuse me, January of 23. What is the fascination with this case? Because I'm still trying to get it myself. And so the judge judge William Sullivan sent jurors home just a few hours ago for the day and the Clancy murder trial after denying the defense's request to remove a juror from the case who who the defense lawyer claims refused to listen at date. Excuse me, the jury for a person said this juror refuses to listen to the judges' instructions.

8:24All right. Well, good afternoon, everybody. What I'm going to do is excuse you until tomorrow morning at nine o'clock, all right? And then I'll speak to you at that point tomorrow morning. So remember the instructions that I've given you, over and over again, stay away from any coverage about this. They'll talk about this case. And I will see everybody tomorrow morning. And it is at that time, just a few hours from now, what eight and a half hours give or take, this judge is going to be forced to declare a mistrial. Then at that point, the prosecution has to decide whether they want round two, whether they want another bite at the apple on this case, or whether they just don't prosecute. Instead of time, generally speaking, prosecutors will turn around again for the to seek a conviction, a second time with the logic being that they've learned from their mistakes the first time at trial. So I don't know what's going to happen here, but I really am trying to figure out what

9:28is this fascination that America has with this case. What makes it so special? Is it is it that this mother may, may get off in terms of being convicted, not being convicted? What in three kids that are that are no longer alive? Three beautiful children, NBC reporter, Laura Jarrett, who covers the court system for NBC. She sat down a panel discussion discussing this case. Evan Reddington, Lindsey Clancy's defense attorney fired up there saying that essentially this one person, this one holdout is not following the law. Yes. This is really interesting. 11 to 1. I think we can surmise where that one stands and I say that because Kevin Reddington's argument to the judge was that the four person wrote a note that said there is one juror who will not follow the judge's instructions on reasonable doubt. Laura, it's all coming together.

10:29Now we know why Lindsey Clancy was brought up there. That's a fundamental right that she has to be presumed innocent and the prosecutors have the burden to approve the case against her by a reasonable doubt. We know why the jurors were brought up one by one to take their oath again, but they are to make their determination based on the judge's instructions and the evidence in the courtroom. That is what they're supposed to be doing, not taking into consideration anything else. Now we know why Kevin Reddington makes this argument because based on educated guess, we don't know for sure, but it would seem that one holdout because the four person is saying they're not listening a reasonable doubt is likely on the side of conviction for something. We don't know what. But we don't know what where the others are favoring the defense because obviously that's the burden of proof for prosecutors. Why wouldn't the judge just remove that one juror? If there's any suggestion at all, that juror, and again, we don't know all the contours of it, but if there is any suggestion at all, that that juror is not able to follow the law, why wouldn't the judge just entertain the defense motion to remove that jury and

11:34then you remove any worry that could go up on appeal? These jurors have been at this for days now, right? And that's part of the problem. If you remove the juror, it throws a monkey wrench into the system and opens up the appeal process. Let's go to line one, Chris and the cat skills. Will you bend stranger? Hey, how have you been Dominic? So I have a close friend of mine and she told me I am fascinated with this case. I can't get enough of it. And I said, really? I said, this case creeps me out. I don't like to hear about it. And she got very entered adamant about it. She said, the mental health system failed this woman. She complained about her severe depression problems, postpartum depression. They went and put her on powerful psychotropic drugs that made her crazy and they didn't see her enough as a patient.

12:37And so is that your belief or just your friend's belief? No, I think there's a good statistical slice of why people are fascinated with this case. And because I mean, I don't get it, Chris. It seems like this case is rocking America and it's all what people want to talk about. Well everybody talks about the failures of our mental health system. And a lot of these medications, you hear the side effects on the television ads about increased risk of suicide, you know, strange thoughts when you take these medications. They work scientifically through uptake inhibitors where they're manipulating how your body absorbs like body chemicals that have effects on the psyche, on your psychology of how

13:43your brain works. And what happens is these uptake inhibitors don't always work how they're supposed to. Okay, what ends up happening is the immune system, either bypassed system or it builds up a tolerance and over time and maybe right off the bat in certain individuals, certain patients, they don't work like they're supposed to. And what ends up happening is you have a fluctuation and a deficiency in brain chemicals that are even worse than what they're trying to target to begin with. That's why you always hear these side effects on, you know, the third time you do, and you do Chris, I'm terribly late for a break. I'm glad to hear from you, I haven't heard from you in a while. Time for a break. We are coming right back. The Dominic Carter Show on the Red Apple Podcast Network. Now, from New York City to the world, it's Dominic Carter.

14:57And back to the phones, we go Rebecca, line two and Brooklyn, good morning, what's on your mind? Hi Dominic, how are you? I just wanted to share something about the Lindsey Clancy case and that is that I, for a very long time, I, you know, I'm not that I wanted to feel guilty, but I felt very certain that she needed to be sort of punished or accounted for what she did, however. I just wanted to share with the audience that my mother, who is a therapist with a specialty in, gets a frenzy and she's been voicing. She was so fascinating that she explained to us just the other day what these command voices that literally command the person to do things. I just found it, it really changed what I feel about the case and I know that it's veering towards the same. I just wanted to share that that these are actual voices and in psychosis, she was explained to us that they can command a person to kill, to murder, you know, to do terrible things.

16:00I found the chance and I never really knew that it's a real voice. Yes, indeed, it's a real voice and we've seen it at the White House where the Secret Service has shot people where voices told them to go to the White House and try to get in, driving their vehicle. We've seen it all over the country and the world. But for arguments like Rebecca, let's say, you know, Paranoids get to Francia. It is, it is, it is, it is a very serious issue. But let's say, let's say for arguments, say that yes, that's exactly what happened in her case. Should she be found not guilty and sent to the mental hospital? What should happen in her case? Well, are you asking me what my opinion is or what, you know, is my opinion that is what you think should happen? After, after, you know, we don't often sit with our mother then really sit and talk about her profession, but after she's that and really explained to us what it is, I really

17:02changed my mind and I felt that I would prefer to see her put away in a mental institution as opposed to being in a prison sentence for life. And so might have to be institutionalized for life. I don't know the cure, but I would prefer that, yeah. Right. Well, if the jury's deadlocked and the prosecution can't get a conviction, none of that applies. She will completely walk if they can't get a conviction for one thing or another. Yes. If they cannot get a conviction, she will walk on everything. And as of right now, it's deadlocked. So the prosecution will probably come back for a second trial, but we'll see what happens. I hear you, Rebecca, you've changed your opinion on this case. We are taking your live calls, 808489222, we are coming right back. The Dominic Carter Show on the Red Apple Podcast Network. Now, from New York City to the world, it's Dominic Carter.

18:16As I mentioned at the top of the show and good news for AM radio house majority leaders, Steve Scalise, vowing to bring the AM radio for every vehicle act to the floor for a vote. It's the right thing to do. So I'm looking at my Twitter at my ex and in a moment, we're going back to your telephone calls, 808489222 on this Friday, 8am. Starting the Lindsey Clancy murder trial, Lisa from Queens just said at Dominic TV, I couldn't even call this baby killer a quote mother. I vote to do the same to her what she did is unforgivable. I wish I could have taken the children to protect them. So many childless couples desperately want a child. Now Lisa does have a point there about so many couples for one reason or another that

19:18can't have children that would do anything for the blessing from God of having a child. And so I hear you Lisa from Queens and then we also took the call that's somewhat sympathetic to this mother on trial and in all likelihood, it's in about 8 and a half hours. Never take the judge will be forced to declare a mistrial or remove a juror and I don't see him doing that. And then it becomes a question of how many alternates does the judge have that can step in immediately. And I don't see that happening because the jury has already deliberated and the for what for a number of days and the ultimate juror is not part of those deliberations. So I just don't see that happening. So Matt plays I got a question for you, Mr. Man.

20:21And I'll ask you the question after this, I found this Matt very interesting and acquiring minds want to know CNN reporting that more Democrats are identifying as socialist, especially younger Democrats. Now I want you Matt blaze to think about that for a second, but this part of a report from CNN. Think on themselves as democratic socialists among all Democrats, including those independents who lean towards the democratic party. Look at this. Talking about a third, a third of all Democrats who identify as democratic socialists, Bernie Sanders and Zoro Mandani are not alone. They are a considerable part of the democratic base at this point. And more than that, if you look at Democrats under the age of 35, they are nearly half, nearly half of the democratic party. Look at this 42% of Democrats think of themselves as democratic socialists under the age of 35, just like Zoro Mandani. But what happened in New York City is not some aberration, right?

21:24It is not something that just happened in New York City is something that we are seeing grow within the democratic party at this particular point when we're talking about 42% of Democrats under the age of 35 identifying as democratic socialists and a third of all Democrats. My goodness gracious. But ask them to define what a Democrat socialist is. I bet they can't. Matt blaze, are you surprised by what's in the CNN report that more Democrats are identifying as socialist, especially younger Democrats? No, because this is the trendy thing to do. It's always about the trend. We just talked about Colin Kaepernick kneeling. Remember when it happened, all of the football, high school football, youth football, they were all kneeling. Do you think some nine year old knew why he was kneeling? No. They saw it on social media, saw it on Instagram. I don't know, TikTok was around yet, but they saw it everywhere and they started kneeling

22:27too. They stood with Kaepernick or Nelt with Kaepernick. They didn't know what they were kneeling about. So now they see the democratic socialist word everywhere. Oh, Zoro Mandani, he's young, he's smiling, he's the mayor of New York City. Oh, I'm going to be what he is. They don't know what it is. They have no idea what it is, but they just see the young guy who used to be a rapper, he looks cool, he seems cool. I want to be like him. They don't know what they're being. They have no clue what it means, what they're signing up for, what the belief is. They have absolutely no idea. I think you hit it on the head, there, Mr. Man. So tell me something good, Blaze, before we go back to the telephone calls. Tell me something good, here we are on a Friday, we had a rough week. That's good. That's it. We had a rough week, the stabbing and time square. Man, it's an eye opener.

23:28You could have been walking up that block. I could have been walking up that block. Somebody just walks up to you, pulls out a knife and stabs you in the stomach. I mean, so we had a rough week, man, and I see you got on your, my, uh, didas, your jacket there, your blue jacket, your gray t-shirt. Tell me something good, Mr. Man. The good thing it is, I'll tell you this, it is Friday. And when I go home, I will clean my pool and they are coming today to close my pool. That's a good thing. Why are you making me look bad? Why are you making me look bad? Because you're closing your pool. I haven't even scheduled to have my pool closed yet. So my electric bill, my electric bill can go back to normal, not having to run that pump eight hours a day. Yeah, well, uh, uh, yeah, uh, normal. Do you know what they're charging like orange and rockland? Do you know what they're charging these days? I know what my bill was. It's on central Jersey. It's not something else good. Something else good.

24:31You could still get a big Mac if you want. No, you're trying to kill me, man. I will listen to you that are doing a great job on me on the right track. I'm easy like Sunday morning and you want me to go back to that poison ice cream. What about some ice cream? No, I can't have that either. I can't have that either. Um, uh, boy, see, see, see, see, you can sneak it. You can sneak it. What about bears? No bears are walking around your uh, I did see a bear earlier today. Maybe bear. That's why I didn't post it. Oh, I tried to get into the garbage can couldn't get into the garbage can and walk the way. Well, if baby, if baby bears this one, if baby bears there, that means mama bears not far. Right. And that's another reason why I didn't go outside. That's, that's yeah. That was a smart move. Smart move. Smart move. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Please. Thank you. You know, I'm going to come back to you because I want to know and crying in mind. Want to know what do you do on your weekends? But hold that thought for a second. Let's go to somebody's telephone calls.

25:32Robert, line one in Maine. Good morning, Robert. What's on your mind? Yeah. Uh, I don't want to change the topic too much, but getting back to this lady who killed her three kids, uh, the mental health system seems to have things backwards. Remember when, uh, President Reagan was almost killed? Uh, they put the person, he quickly fell in prison, not in prison in a hospital, a prison like hospital forever. And what better place to make a diagnosis and if something new is found out in the science of mental health to apply that to help this person get better and maybe be released someday, then do you use that constant watch in a hospital? In this lady's case who killed her kids, the system was completely backwards. Everybody's so difficult, uh, so worried about putting people in hospitals, possibly because of the cost, possibly because of what's called civil rights issues that diagnoses

26:33are, are tried to be made by several different therapists or psychiatrists on the outside where they only see people briefly in a fragmented fashion. And the person just struggles in that system. If they were more easily placed in a hospital to be watched carefully under protocols to make a better proper diagnosis and possible treatment, this stuff wouldn't be presented 100 percent, but it would be helped very much. And that's my main point. So Robert, you believe, uh, so wait, first of all in Maine, are you following the case closely? I mean, Massachusetts is not too far away from you, but in your opinion, folks in Maine following this case very closely? Yeah, they really are. And you know, people are on both sides of it. But as I said, the mental health, you know, such a big difference between diagnosing, say, heart failure, where we have machines, where we have technology to do test-thought

27:34people. And I don't know if somebody has real heart failure. Whereas with psychiatric illness or disability, all we have is what we see. We listen to the patient. Perhaps we talk to the families. Sometimes we have some, we really don't have the kinds of better tests that we have. And other branches of medicine. What we do have is we have a place where the person can be watched very carefully by skilled clinicians in an inpatient setting, for as long as it takes to make a proper diagnosis and to try to decide on therapy. What happens now is they see a bunch of different people, to cry at your, who see you for 15 or 20 minutes and get placed on a series of medications. That's really backwards. It's backwards from what was done in the past with HEEKLY and it's backwards in terms of using what we do have to try to make things better. And yes, people are following it and made an advance of true sense where I'm from originally.

28:38Robert, thank you for a well thought out point of view and you make some good points, points there. Robert calling for Maine. Before I go to Bob and Boston here, I'm looking at my Twitter at my ex, the lovely Liz Rosenblatt. Liz says, as a mom of eight and a grandma of 10 beautiful children, I cannot imagine how any mother could intentionally want to hurt their child. Drugs can alter brain chemicals. Let's think about that for a moment. Good point there, Liz. Let's go to Bob, line two, Boston. Good morning, Bob. What's on your mind? I'm going to, first of all, I want to say how much I enjoy your show. Thank you. Secondly, I think one of the reasons why people have fascinated, at least in the Boston area, we've had two major cases. One is involving women. One was the Karen Reed trial, which she was found innocent when she was accused of killing a Boston policeman with her car.

29:39The second trial is, hasn't come up, but it's coming up with Sarah Burp's Moore, who was murdered by a police officer. This is the third one that's kind of followed. People have been doing comparisons between the three cases, and it's just been talked about a lot. Even though they're all very deeply different. It's a very sad situation I feel for her. I think what you had said earlier is correct. I think it's going to be a mistrial, and I think they will bring another case back again, again, ster again. So Bob, if they don't get the conviction this time, does your hunch tell you they may get it the second time or no? No, I think she's guilty of insanity. No person in the right mind could do what she did, and the fact that she tried to kill herself afterwards. Her life is real.

30:40She's a paraplegic now. She's in a wheelchair. There's nothing good that's coming out of this case. It's just a very sad case in my opinion. It is. Just quickly explain this national phenomenon of attention to this case. Why? Well, I think some people think she's an attractive woman. I think that's some interest. Just the bizarre nature of the case, I mean, what doesn't happen very often when a mother kills three of her own children and then tries to commit suicide. It just has captured the fact that the public and at least in the Boston area, because of the other cases, there's a lot of people who are drawing comparisons, even though I don't believe there's any comparison between them other than they're all women. But it's, you know, my pain is just a very sad situation and she didn't get the mental help she needs as some other colors had pointed out.

31:42And wherever she ends up, I mean, her life is over in my opinion, whether it's jail or a mental hospital. Correct. It's going to be a very tough row, Bob, from Boston. Thank you for the wonderful call. Let's go to Vincent line three, Brooklyn, and Good Morning, Vincent. In regards to this Clancy woman, first off, when she woke up in the hospital bed after trying to offer self, she said, do I need a lawyer? Well, and she's claiming that she was hormonal because of the postpartum blues and everything. Well, if I've never accused of offering somebody or beating somebody up when the cops take me downtown, I'm going to say at the time I was trans and I was hormonal. How about that, Democrats? Put that in your pipe and smoke them because you believe in this trans stuff and everything. So that's what I'm going to say. You're talking about, I heard yesterday that this is going to be, if this woman beats this case, you forget about it. I'm talking about the hormonal ceiling because they're going to say, who's going to want

32:47a higher dispersion to be the president, this woman because she's going to be in charge of the football and heaven forbid if she's hormonal. But that's what I'm going to say. And Democrats, you always talk about that there's such a thing as trans men and trans women. Well, when the cops arrest me and they got me downtown, I'm going to say, I'm not guilty because I was trans at the time and I was hormonal. Well, I hear you, Vincent, but you know I was trying to point out, Dominic, how ridiculous the whole Democratic position is and this woman is guilty of, she should be like your previous call has said, she should be in an institution for the criminally insane for the rest of her life, her life because I've known women who suffered from postpartum blues and they got the help. It took a lot of work, a lot of love and a lot of family, but they got there.

33:51They got, they did the work and they didn't go kill that two. She didn't, this woman in particular didn't kill her kids or didn't try and do them harm. Well, I hear Vincent, I got to take a break. Thank you for the call. I hear you, Vincent and I'm not excusing the way her behavior, but you know, I, we're not women and from what I understand this hormonal issue, it's a major one. Now, most women, I would say nine out of nine and a half out of 10 women don't resort to this type of behavior, but I just don't know. Maybe that's the fascination in this case. Time for a break. We are coming right back. Dominic Carter show on the Red Apple podcast network. Now, from New York City to the world, it's Dominic Carter.

34:54And we see your telephone calls. Let's go back to them. Line four, Sherman and Manhattan. Good morning, Sherman. Morning to you too, Dominic. I was going to say I was watching an interesting piece on YouTube about women not getting diagnosed because with all due respect, this is an adult show that I love. So I'm going to say like it is. This is double standard where men get looked at from child, they start off from childhood. Men always look at to be responsible and your character and et cetera. And you know, the decision you're making from Tom Yoyong. Women are not spoken to in terms of their character and the decisions that they're making in the scrutiny and so forth, especially, way forward, especially attractive women. And attractive women is less likely. You can go online and see it on YouTube. This very fascinating, deep series, sober documentary about extremely attractive women,

35:58very cute women, women that are tall, women that are looked at, admire a lot, they get less scrutiny, they get less responsibility told to them, they get less finger pointing, they get less pointed out to them that they made a mistake that they were wrong. And so, in a sense, it's saying that the society today is creating female monsters because attractive women are getting away with a lot of slick stuff. They're more likely to shoplift. People, they did a study too. So, what does your heart tell you about this case?

37:19What does your heart tell you about this case? What does your heart tell you about this case? What does your heart tell you about this case?

38:32What does your heart tell you about this case? What does your heart tell you about this case?