The Only NBA Player Who Refused The Vaccine Exposes Why... | DSH #2127

0:00Well, like, I'm one of the only NBA players I've never got the vaccine. I'm like one of a few. And they tried to make our life hell. Like, we had to get tested, like, three or four times a day. Gee, they were pure pressure on me to put something in their body that they hadn't even, like, tested for real. Or it took them, like, what, six months to develop it. To me, like, that was weird. And, like, in the future, I'm not with that. Where they can just tell you what to put in your body, tell you to put a chip in your brain. If you just think that the world is the way it is, and it is the way that the government is telling you it is, at this point, you're, like, a fool. It's kind of our duty to stand up for what's right. And you can't be scared in that space. Obviously, if you say too much, you definitely probably will come to target. Which none of us are trying to die. All right, guys, here in New York, we got Michael Porta Jr. on the show. I'm trying to get him on for a while. He just had an amazing season 24 and 7. Congrats. God, thank you. Appreciate that. You must be feeling real good after that. Yeah. I'm a guy that likes to win though. And the team last year, we struggled to get a lot of wins.

1:02But I think it's a process. And we'll do a lot better this year. Yeah. Kind of a transition year, right? Exactly. A lot of us do actually youngest guys. We're the youngest team to lead. Yeah, a lot of five rookies that were in the rotation plank. So this year, we signed a couple older guys. And then the young guys are a year older. So we'll be all right. Nice. Yeah. The next just one, too. On home state. Crazy. Yeah, I don't know. Like it's cool because New York is where I'm at right now. And so like the energy is amazing. But that's obviously our rival team, you know, to an extent. Bitters for us to across the bridge. We have a while to get to where they're at. But so it's a bit of sweet thing. Were you shocked at all when they won this season? Honestly, I was. I had no idea the next would. I did not think that they would win. I thought they would come out of the East. And I thought that they would play Oklahoma City Thunder in the finals and lose. But I knew I knew when San Antonio B. OK, see, I knew that the next had a better chance of beating the spurs than beating OK, see, I felt the same way because of the spurs youth 100%.

2:04I thought if the Thunder got out of the West, I think they would be the next day, they probably would have beat the next day. Yeah, because they had the experience. The experience they had the veteran guys, the grown men, you know, the guys that have been in the league for a while. I feel like the spurs as talented as they are, they're so young that the nicks have guys that are eight, nine, 10 years in. Yeah. And they're just, you know, so 100%. A lot of moves this off season. I know if you felt seeing all the trades and all that stuff. And it's crazy, right? You honest to Miami, you got Jaylen Brown leaving Boston and that whole thing. It's a lot going on in the NBA. And in the way that they're trying to kind of villainize Jaylen Brown's a little strange as well, you know, after everything he did for Boston had his best individual season last year. Finals MVP, help them bring a championship in the way that they're kind of doing him right now as a little crazy. Yeah, the media is brutal in your sport. Have they ever gone after you for anything? Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, one of the, one of the things that kind of, I guess is brought up in the NBA is that it's athletes. We should just kind of be quiet, make our money and stick to

3:05basketball. And because I've kind of ventured into the speaking space, you know, with podcasts and just, you know, talking how I talk and whatever with my opinions, it definitely has got me in some hot water. But I think like if you, what's the point in getting a platform and getting some money if you, if you're not willing to like make some type of change or stand up for what you believe, it's become another robot is really no point to, to having that platform. So I don't feel like I'm saying anything like outrageous. I just feel like everyone should be able to share their opinion, whether they're right or wrong, we should all be able to respectfully disagree. And I feel like in the world today, we're missing that a little bit. Yeah. No, I respect that because I know you're taking a risk certain players can get fine for things they say, right? Yeah. That's awesome. And then obviously like even Jalen Brown, he's on, he's on, he's doing a streaming thing. He said nothing wrong about anything. He just shares his opinion and works hard, but all the sun because he ventured into that space. Now people have something to say.

4:06Yeah. It's just a little strange. Yeah. I thought that was weird. I think he got fine too, right? Did he maybe think so? Maybe. I don't know if he might, he might have like went after the refs or went after something and then got fine. Yeah. I'm wrongly you don't get like, find, unless you say something against the refs. The refs or yeah, but normally you don't get fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People always got something to say about the refs in any sport. Right. So one of those things that even in my lifetime, mentally, people are talking to the refs. People are always got something. I feel like being a referee is probably one of the hardest jobs in the world because facts. I don't, I mean, I hope they get paid well, but they fly commercial. They, I saw some refs getting in a rented car one time that they have to drive to the arena and back and then they just go to a game just to get talked crazy to all games 100% and I feel like, no, you're right. And now with sports betting, people are so invested in the game. Yeah. That went a ref blows a call or whatever sports betting is like so like this become the new epidemic in America. And I feel like, yes, us players is brutal for us because

5:09whether we play good or bad, we're disappointing someone. There's someone better on your over somebody better on your under. Right. But yes, for the referees as well, I feel like if it's a close game and you feel like a call is shaky, you know, they're going to get crucified on social media. And, um, but I do feel like it would be, it would be good to have some type of accountability for referees as well. Like if they do change the entire outcome of a game because of consistent bad refereeing, they should, you know, there should be a consequence for sure. Yeah, they should maybe set them out of important games or something. Yeah, maybe that I know that there's like a voting poll on like how referees performed in the regular season and based on that, they get more or less games on the playoffs. And that, yeah. And all the hours and they get like obviously, they probably get paid more for playoff games and based on like how us players rate them as referees that has a long way to go in terms of how they get, how many games they get in the playoffs. But, um, I mean, regular season games are still very important and, you know, referees are tripping. Hey, guys, you know, I don't do promos for just anybody.

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7:11emotional thing. You just destroyed someone. Exactly. They should let some of the emotion stay in the game for sure. I feel like that. Yeah, I got a technical foul one time for that for for dunking on somebody and just would you post daring as to my only thing I setting there and I got like a taunting type of wild. Yeah, wild. What do you think of AI getting involved with some of these refereeing? Cause so the World Cup has this AI technology. I don't know if you've been following the World Cup. Yeah, a little bit. But it like detects offside calls. Really? Some people love it. And then some people hate it. Cause if you're offside by like a hair, it detects it. Like if your head is above the defender. Really? So some people hate it. You know what I mean? What do you think? I think in all of sports, they should keep AI out of that space. Oh, really? I think so. It might make the calls a tiny bit more. If there's like a review on a call say like in the NBA, they get to like challenge a call. Yeah. And the referees get to look and see if it's a foul or if a player is out of bounds or whatever. AI can maybe help out in that standpoint. But like in terms of the live play, if you start bringing like AI into that,

8:15that just I feel like that opens the door to a lot more. When AI advances more and more and more, how much are you going to let AI into the entertainment space that we? Cause you want to keep the human aspect of this. I feel like referees making good or bad calls is in a in a in a weird way part of sports. And that's part of just like us players, we can make mistakes. We can our coach can get on us. I feel like having referees, they get to make good or bad calls and the players getting on them, the coaches getting on them and trying to try and to manipulate them and manipulate the game. But that's part of basketball and sports in general and a good coach, a respected coach is able to talk to the referees, tell them to look at certain things in the NBA. Cause everyone knows like an NBA. Players travel a lot. They carry the ball a lot. They are in the lane for three seconds. A lot. And if you have like perfect refereeing, then there's going to be calls a lot of time playing around. Yeah, literally every play. Yeah.

9:15That's a good point. I didn't think about that. But so you must adjust your game a little bit depending on the ref, right? Some like guys guys game in the NBA. It's completely different than their game in college. You get away with different things in college versus the NBA and vice versa. Especially when it comes to like carrying the certain carries, certain travels, certain certain ways you can draw fouls. All that changes when you get to the NBA a little bit. I feel that. Yeah, you can draw a lot of it. Would you say it's easier to draw fouls and then be added in college? You have to be skilled at it. Like I never, I'm, that's something I'm working on the Southeast and actually is the skill to be able to draw fouls. Like people will get on a shake. They'll get on James Arn. They'll get on certain players for foul baiting. But it's not as easy as it looks. It's a real skill to be able to convince the refs to call a foul because the refs know like that on social media and everything. People are getting upset with them for calling these fouls that look like flops. But it takes a real skill to be able to consistently get to the foul line

10:17and consistently like flop. Like that's not like an easy thing to learn how to do. Yeah, that's an interesting take. So you're not against foul baiting or I'm not like I feel like some, I'm against how like the refs do get tricked a lot. And they give the offensive player the benefit of the doubt a little bit too much sometimes. Because there's a lot of calls that they'll call a foul that if the offensive player to stood and didn't fall and landed on his feet instead of falling to the ground they wouldn't call the foul. So players are able to exaggerate. And the thing is like we're supposed to get called for a tech for flopping. Really? But a lot of times guys flop and they don't get called for the tech. You know, so they start, yeah, if they start calling the technical foul when guys are exaggerating fouls, then I think that some of that will go where? They just did that in the World Cup. This guy flopped and he got a, he already had a yellow card. So they kicked them out. Really got two yellows. Yeah, yeah, crazy. Yeah. I mean flopping is part of the game though.

11:17It is actually a fairly game. But yeah, there's there. Guys are just so good at it now. Yeah. So good at it that it, it can become a little annoying. Part of so watch. I feel like when you share the term unguardable, do you believe there's certain players that are just you could do the best defense and you can't stop them? Um, there's in the playoffs when you, when you like properly prepare and game plan for certain players, you can make any player struggle as certain games, certain points. Like for example, coming to rent one of the most unguardable players in the NBA. This past season when they played the Lakers, every time Kevin Durant touched it at the top, they were sending two at him. Kevin Durant wants to score the ball. He's a willing passer, but he wants to score and just frustrating him like that to where you bring two defenders and you're making Kevin Durant make the right play and throw the pass. Like that is then, then you're playing, um, the Rion for the backside, but you would rather that than Kevin Durant play one on one and get to his spot and rise over the top.

12:19So it's all about game plan. Like obviously Yannis is very hard to stop, but if you build a wall and transition and like guys are, um, you know, like all coming to him and building like that wall and making him throw that pass and then get a late close up for a three. That's how you can kind of kind of stop certain guys, but there's some guys that are really, really tough covers, man. Like Luca, Luca Donches, when he's hitting that step back three, that's in great a way that that's hard to stop or like, Shay with that mid range with that bump, hard to stop because he can, he can, he can get to the lane. You got to be careful about fouling him because he's developed a skill of convincing the rev to call it and he can just hit you with that bump and shoot that, shoot that fade away. And if, and if you take that bump and go to contest it, he's then going back in and drawing the foul again. So yes, it's, it's hard to go. Sorry. I feel that I've heard Dremon talk about this. He'll say in the playoffs, your main strength is taken away. Yeah, that's, that's all about, it's about playing chess.

13:19Like guys in the NBA are very skilled. It's about like taking something away, giving up something else. Like there's certain teams that you'll pick a guy on the team that you want to shoot the ball. So now the guy guarding that guy that you want to shoot the ball, that defender will just kind of be a help defender for everyone else. So the ball funnels to him and you're living with him making threes, you know, with a late contest, you know, so, um, like pick your poison. That's literally like pick your poison. But then like some guys will miss a few threes. Now the coach panics and takes them out and you're like, okay, we got him out of this series because he wasn't consistently knocking down the three pointer. And then same thing offensively, like you're going to hunt out certain matchups because they're going to put certain players on other players that you don't, that you kind of want to avoid. Then they're going to hunt out certain players. So it was definitely chess. Yeah. There's the mental side of the game really kicks in in the playoffs, right? Because you people always say that players play harder in the playoffs.

14:20I don't think is that like I might take is that guys play hard all season. Like this is our livelihood. Guys are playing for roster spots for more minutes for less minutes for bigger contracts for whatever guys play hard all season. So I hate when fans say that that they don't. It's just that in the playoffs, you know the team you're playing gets more. But you study them more. So it looks like it's harder to score and it's harder to because you know all their plays, you know all their personnel, how the players, what, what hand they want to go to left or right. And then the regular season you play some of the games. Yes, you still have scouting reports and things like that, but it's a little bit not as like not as deep. Yeah, you know, because you only got one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that makes sense. You've been part of a lot of playoff series with the nuggets. Are there any you wish you could redo? I would say if I could redo one, it would be, um, we played Minnesota game seven and in Denver. Then we were up like 20.

15:22What year was this? This is the year that the Mavs, the Mavs played the Celtics and the finals. Okay. And if we beat Minnesota, I think we then go and play the Mavs. We probably beat the Mavs just based on Matt. Yeah. If you're tired of paying for 10 different tools just to manage your podcast leads, funnels, email, SMS and bookings, I've got something that'll change the game for you. High level is the all in one platform, thousands of creators and entrepreneurs are using to run their entire business from one dashboard. No more app overload, no more misleads. And right now because you're part of the DSH community, you get a completely free 30 day trial when you sign up through my special link, go high level dot com slash digital social hour. That's 30 full days to test everything from funnels, automations, calendars, websites, even white label mobile apps for your brand. Write the link in the description or pin comment, lock in your free trial and start running your business like the pros. Cause I don't think we'd lost to them much. That was Luca and Kyrie. That was Luca and Kyrie, but like they're big man like they wouldn't have been able to guard Joker one on one. Right. And then they would have brought a double and then we had too many shooters, you know,

16:25with like we had too much. I feel like so I feel like if we would have beat them, we would have played Boston in the finals had a chance to go back to back. I think that Boston series would have probably gone six or seven. Yeah. Maybe seven us for Boston. Yeah. But if we beat Minnesota at home, we probably would have been in the finals again with a chance to go back to back. And then that next year that last year, um, year before last year, we played Oklahoma City games seven in Oklahoma City, but we got blew out. Me and Aaron Gorn were both like had crazy injuries. Yeah. So I would say that Minnesota. I remember that one. Aaron had a back injury, right? No, he had like a hamstring. Oh hamstring. And I had the shoulder. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're recovery stories and saying I was watching videos of the three back surgeries, right? I mean, not a lot of players have come back from even one, right? Yeah, I know my, my story's unique. I don't know if there's another plan, history of, of, of sports really that could come back from three. Cause not just the back surgery, it's all the stuff that came along with it with the, with

17:25the nerve damage with the, I had to change completely the way I play. Yeah. Like I, I literally changed completely. I changed the leg. I jump off of when I go to the hoop. I'm totally crap. I changed, yeah, I changed so much that it would have been hard for a lot of players. So now like I always say like my goal before was to be the best player to ever play basketball, which I think I had a chance of being one of the best. Cause I could do everything on the floor. I could dunk on you from the free dillon. I could create off the dribble. And I could shoot the three ball crazy. Like nobody could, could guard what I was doing in high school, you know, in college. Like it was easy for me. But now after those things, now my story is all about resilience and perseverance. And like I get to touch and influence and kind of like inspire a different group of people been. If I had never had any injuries and I was just smooth sailing to the top, you know what I mean, like so it's a different story. It's a definitely had a story with a lot of hardships, but a lot of trials, a lot of tribulations, but God uses all of us in a different way.

18:28So it's taking a while to look at it like that. You know what I mean? Cause you feel sorry for yourself for, and I still have days where I feel sorry for myself. But you know, it is what it is at the other day. What percent would you say you're compared to your peak when you had no injuries? I think I'm better overall. Like because when I had no injuries, it was when I was like 16 and 17, you know, now I'm 28. Um, I think I'm, I, it was just like the athleticism part. Like I'm still an athletic player and can do athletic things on the court. But before I was like a freak out there, like not only like a freak shot making ability that I felt was like on par with the camera and the, and the Steph Curry's and the Kyrie's of the world. Like I felt like my shot making was already really good in high school. Like in high school, I shot like 75% from three. Holy crap. Like that's yeah, yeah. I shot like even better than I do now because I didn't have that imbalance from the back

19:30stuff. So now there's a lot of like compensation and I'm still one of the best shooters in the NBA. Yeah, you're shooting for 40% now. Yeah. Over my career before like I didn't have any imbalance. So, but I would say the main thing I lost was some of that of let us. But like if I was to pair my shot making ability with that like elite athleticism, I felt like there would have been no way people could guard on the court. So it is like sometimes I think about it and I'm like reminiscing some of my high school I got to like your high school mixtape now. Yeah, you got to watch it. But it like I said, I'm still very blessed to be in the position I am and yeah, it is what it is. Gotta keep, gotta life keeps moving. No, like God doesn't give anyone a perfect life. We all have our own trials and tribulations our own demons, you know, that we have to get passed and things like that. So sounds like God is a very big role in your life. I know Christianity is important to you, right? That probably helped you through that dark time. It did.

20:31I mean, there was days where I definitely was like mad at God and kind of didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel because I never really had a plan to be. I'm not one of those guys that played basketball and had all these other hobbies and interests. No, I wanted to play basketball rolling. Yeah, I was all in. So when the injury started piling up, you're the number one player in the country, projecting the number one traffic, the injuries happen, the doctors that tell you you might never play again, definitely had like some tough times. But I do feel like overall my faith definitely has played a role in like my recovery and kind of like my outlook on all this. Yeah, that's what I think separates because some people get injuries and they never come back mentally. Yeah, you know, yeah, mental, mental, my mental fortitude and my mental strength, I feel like it's really, really, really elite. Like I think that that is like probably my best trait is like my resilience, my ability to be able to like go into my mind and tell myself to keep going, you know, or my ability

21:34to like block out other people's opinions and things like that. Like I'm very, I'm very good at doing that when I need to do that. I feel like I need to have these days because there's so much criticism on my mind these days with social media. It's a balance man because like yes, like a stand on Instagram all throughout the season and read the comments and I could still be okay. But am I going to mentally be like happy reading that stuff? No. So like a lot of times during the season, I'll get off of social media because it was bad before sports betting. Now with the sports betting, every game you're getting, I'm getting hundreds of DMs of just people like so, so, so happy because I hit three threes or they're so mad because I didn't get seven or eight rebounds. Like and that's every game. So if you're on social media and it's in the comments, like people are either calling you a bum or they're calling you like telling you that you saved their life and they put their life savings on you, they're $1,000 and it's just it's a lot like and then like. So yeah, you I think as a to be a healthy individual, you definitely have to limit your social

22:38media use during the season. Yeah. Because people turn on you like that dog and it's like a lot of recency bias. People don't care what you do for them in the past. They want you to do some form right now. Yeah, absolutely. People forget so quick. It's really sad, man. It's really it's sad. It is the way that things can just people, people's attention span isn't long. So they're only worried about the the latest. Yeah, I think well, and Jersey like I told you and when I used to come to New York, iPhones weren't really out when I was a kid. So people were actually walking around like having conversations. Do you know when I walk around people are just on their phone literally, you know, I watch people when you're walking around here. Exactly. They're like zombies. Exactly. Yeah, it's so much different than it used to be like the way that I grew up as a kid, playing in a cul-de-sac, playing like kickball or whatever like being outside being on the trampoline being like it's so different now the way that this generation is growing up. It's it's it's and it's only going to get crazier. The more the more with AI and everything, I agree.

23:39Yeah, I think that the whole world eventually will change when it comes to the entertainment space and everything like that. Yeah, it's something I think about man because I want to have kids eventually and I'm like, wow, I've them growing up in this kind of world is going to be interesting. It is, it is. I'm homeschooling my kids for sure. 100% no doubt on that. I mean, I went to public school. You did too. Public. I was homeschooling. Oh, you were homeschooling. All the way until eighth grade. It's one of the reasons why I'm able to think the way I think and I'm able to like, I'm not saying that every kid that goes to public school is programmed, but in a way they are. In a way they're like, and you spend a lot of hours in the day, useless hours. Like I was homeschooled. It took me two hours to do math, science, English, history, all these different subjects took me two hours while in public school, you're there for what eight hours are. And then when I finally went to public school in eighth grade, I was way ahead of all my class. I'm in honors class. I'm getting a four point. It's easy for me. It took me two hours a day growing up to do my school. So like how much of the day is wasted in a public school?

24:44It's crazy. You know what I mean? So when it comes to having my own kids, like I'm definitely going to go to homeschool. I feel like, yeah, I didn't know that because back when you were homeschooled, that wasn't really common. Now it wasn't, man. I think my parents, like I can't believe the household I grew up and it's probably the biggest blessing any child could have. I had seven siblings. My mom was there home mom, homeschooled us. They raised this vegetarian. I don't think vegetarian is the best way to go unless you're doing it like perfect. You can all protein and stuff. But they like, we're so intentional with the way they raised. Yeah. Part of the reason why I don't have to like go outwards to seek validation and I'm willing to like speak on my opinion and not try to maintain its perfect self image that everyone likes, you know? Yeah. Because the fact that I have such like a strong foundation with my family and like a grounding foundation with them. So that's what I noticed by you're very open about everything. Yeah. I think like authenticity and just it doesn't even mean you have to be right.

25:44Like I'm more, more than wanting to be right. I want to be like curious, open and authentic and willing to listen to others' opinion too. So even on my platform and like I want to, I want to eventually have like two people on from opposing side. Yeah. I do a lot of debates on really. Yeah. That's fire. It invited. Yeah. Like in the legal denariate the conversation. I moderate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So like imagine when the stuff was going on in Palestine. Yeah. You get a really well-swoken Palestine person that gets a state their side of the argument versus that you said that last week. Really. I had someone that lived in Palestine. He came and debated someone pro Israel. Yeah. That's that's dope. Dude, it's dope. Because people aren't doing that. Like even Stephen A Smith is starting to do it. Really is having a lot of debates on his show now. I think like question versus Muslim is long debates. Yeah. Christian Atheist debates like. But like two really smart people that are doing it in a respectful way. So I think it's not to be productive. Yeah. You can't just be a screaming match. Definitely.

26:45Yeah. No, I'm all about that man. Yeah. That's why your nickname is curious Mike. Yeah. Curious. I'm sure I did. Curious Mike. Let's go. You still in the conspiracy rabbit hole. A little bit. I feel like nowadays is not even conspiracy. I'm not as stupid as I'm the open. I agree. I agree. Like people used to think that you know all the stuff that came out with the FCN files was conspiracy with these people doing what they do or the secret societies and this and that. And all that. But like, I mean, I feel like if you just think that the world is the way it is and it is the way that the government is telling you it is, at this point you're like a fool. Because it's so in your face. Yeah. And they, and like, yeah, I'm not saying everything is a conspiracy. But like, definitely everything is not what you're told and you should be willing to do your own research and come your own conclusions. I first like got down the rabbit hole when I was young, man.

27:47I'm like watching like a Disney show and I see like the subliminal messages in the show in a kid's show. And it was like pretty demonic like like subliminal messages. I'm like, why are they putting this in a kid's show? And then put me down the whole rabbit hole and I see like, oh, they put this stuff in like in your face. But it says in the Bible, man, like I'm Christian. So all this stuff goes back to what it says in the Bible, which is like the world is not ran by Christians. It's not ran by the Islam people. It's not ran is ran by Satan, like the devil. We live in a dark world. You don't see that this world has a lot of evil, then you're blind. So if the world is ran by Satan, it makes sense that the people that are at the top top are doing some pretty dark stuff and they're in there. The agendas that they're pushing, the, you know, the fear they're pushing, but also like the, like it just makes sense that that's what's going on to the top. So when the stuff like the Epstein files comes out and you're like, it makes you question like what the, what the leaders of the countries are doing and things like that.

28:52That's not surprising to me. And I'm just glad that like now people are not so shocked by it. Like Ryan Garcia, when he used to come out and say all this stuff was happening and people like this guy's lost it. He's delusional. Even like Michael Jackson. That's another one. That's a big one. I don't think like I'm not going to sit here and say that I know how Michael Jackson died or anything, but you can't sit here and say that you don't think it's a little fishy that as soon as he starts speaking out on some of the stuff, he dies. Yeah. And then after that, they say that he used to rape kids, you know, and they used to like, they tried to discredit his whole message and his whole, his whole life. Like, okay, if he was doing that, why didn't they come out when he was alive and say that? Yeah. You know, why they're coming out once he's dead and can't defend himself. And I think that he was just, personally, I think he was just a dude that was very charismatic. He loved kids. He didn't have a childhood himself because I'm a dude that like, like I love my nephews. You know, I like, I understand loving like children because they're so pure and whatever.

29:53That doesn't mean they are here while and like that. And I just think that like certain stuff like that, when you talk about conspiracies, I think it's because at the end of the day, we don't have full proof of everything, but a lot of the stuff. I just think not everything is as, as it seems. Yeah. What do you think about some of this? I agree. I, you can't believe all of them because then you're just, you gotta have your own discernment, you gotta look at the facts, but like you with the timing thing, that's always weird to me. And someone starts speaking out like Charlie Kirk or Michael Jackson, whoever, and they die within a couple months. That's always weird to me. That's weird. What do you think about like, like, did you, were you deep into the Epstein stuff? So when the whole P gate thing came out, I was pretty young. I think I was in high school. I heard about it, but no, I wasn't like so deep into it. So were you pretty deep in it? Not really. I just kind of knew that some people that are up there, were already on that, all doing that type of stuff. Yeah. So when that came out, it wasn't like surprising to me.

30:54It was just interesting to see that it was just written out so clearly in the emails, like what was going on. And then the fact that people really, the fact that so much like stuff can be in the public's face, but really they can do nothing about it. It's kind of was like, yeah, no one got arrested. That's why people with a platform like you or like me, if there's a real injustice that we feel strongly about, it's kind of our duty to stand up for what's right. You know, and you can't be scared in that space. Obviously, if you say too much, you definitely probably become a target, which none of us are trying to die. Look what it's a take to. You know what I mean? Even if you're not a death target, they'll hit you with the legal system. They'll hit you with the media. Like they put them in jail for what? Like they, and the thing that's scary now is like, because of AI is out, like we didn't use to think that you could come out with like a typing your phone, make me a picture of Michael Porter Jr. doing this, this and that.

31:55And they can make it look perfectly. It looks so real. So now is that progressing is better. It's like they can make a case against anyone for anything. And they come up with text messages of what someone said. They come up with voice, audio of what someone's talking about on the phone and make it sound real. So now it's like they can create any narrative they want. And that to me is a little scary because they already were doing that with people. They already did that with Kanye. They did it with Kyrie. They did it with Ryan Garcia. They did it with Michael Jackson. You know, now they can even be crazier. Yeah. They did with Andrew Tate a little bit, you know, we don't know obviously. But like just like I've had a conversation with Andrew Tate with Steini. But he doesn't seem like a like what they put him in jail for. They said it was human trafficking human trafficking, right? But like I thought that he was just having girls like he was like he used to like like pretty much do like only fans. Yeah, the webcam is webcam thing.

32:55That doesn't mean that you're trafficking girls like, but so I know it's scary to me, man. Like scary. I bet the Kyrie want spooky because you're you're you're in this. Well, like I'm one of the only NBA players that never got the vaccine. Oh, you know, I'm like one of a few. It was well done and they tried to make our life hell like we had to get tested like three or four times a day. They were pure pressure on me. They were like it was like a lot to say no to and it wasn't even me just trying to trying to be difficult. It literally was just me feeling like why are they pushing this so hard? I feel like anything that the world like the social norm or the world is like pushing like too hard. They're doing it for a weird reason. Like we've had a lot of different sicknesses and I know people I got COVID three times. So I know who's serious. I used to have asthma when I got COVID. It was hard to work out. It was hard to breathe. I know some people with serious cases they died, but to force someone to put something in their body that they hadn't even like tested for real or took them like what six months

33:58to develop it or what it is super quick like to me like that was weird. And like in the future, I'm not with that. But they can just tell you what to put in your body, tell you to put a chip in your brain, tell you do this, tell you do that. I'm not with that. So I felt like that was like the beginning stages of like them trying to overly control individuals. And that's not what America's about. That's not what the world should be about. You know what I'm saying? So I definitely, I definitely, they've even with me in my own way, they've tried to create a narrative that I'm a certain type of individual. And then I'm like a certain way, which couldn't be more the truth. So like I feel like even through social media and the the clips that they'll post are being the way that they try to caption the clips. People are so like impressionable that they're like, look at one clip and then hate someone for it. They'll look at a crazy, and you take clip, hate them for it, but they never watch a full interview. They never. You know, and I'm not saying everything he says is great.

34:58I'm not saying everything I said is spot on, but that's something that's wrong with the world. Yeah, it's people judge you very quickly. I've won one auto context clip. They'll label you with conspiracy theorists or whatever. And it's like, yeah, they'll like they can literally create a narrative about someone that couldn't be further from the truth. Yeah, that's why it's important to have your own platform. I want to see more players do that, honestly. I like that a lot of you guys have their own shows now. It's cool because like I remember the first time I thought of having a podcast, which was way before everyone else. Like now the past three, four years, everyone wants to get out here. But when I started that, when I came with the idea, it wasn't like that. I'd have been like five years ago. And it was because I had like tweeted something or put something on Instagram and they would take that and people could just run with it. You know, and you have no, you can't like have your own voice, but then with the podcast and speaking, you can kind of like create your own narrative a little bit, but even now it's hard because people, the judges, man, they're so short, they're not coming and watching the whole interview.

35:59Nope. They're taking the clip, and people are clipping it up and the things that are the most viral are the most negative because the negative stuff kind of goes with the algorithm. The crazy, the crazy. So that's why it's still kind of hard even with the podcast to kind of create your own narrative, but it's better than nothing, I think. Yeah, it's better than nothing. Cause 10 years ago, people wouldn't make their decision about you through God's like Steven A Smith, Skit Bay List, whatever they say, they felt about you, right? They had a lot of power, traditional media. Now they're spent a bit of a shift, a little bit of a shift and, uh, and it's going to be a power struggle for sure. I mean, you see the power struggle right now between like Jalen Brown and some of those bigger media guys, I'm Bruce or Jalen. Yeah, man. I think he's an outstanding individual and I think he, um, he definitely is like, uh, I don't want to use the term martyr, but I also feel like me, I kind of feel like me and him are like, charl Blazes in that way that like dream on green, you know, even Austin Rivers, my boy Austin Rivers, um, I love his pod. Yeah. And like, like he keeps it authentic.

37:00You know, he's not scared to step on toes. He's not, he keeps it authentic. I feel like when things are too PR, that's kind of like played out a little bit, man. Let's be human beings. You feel me? Yeah. People can, I think sense it to these days. Yeah, it's more, I feel like nowadays people are craving more authenticity than ever before because they can see through the BS, even in the world, even as the higher up it goes. A lot of BS, man, they, it's not always facts, you know, when you, uh, eventually retire, I know it's not for a while, but you got plans to just chill. You don't want to be in the spotlight anymore. Yeah. For like a year or two, I want to just kick it, relax, um, and then figure out kind of my next mission, my next purpose, um, which I do feel like I'll have to get some tips from you because I do feel like, um, this space and just not always talking to another person, but even if I want to get on the mic and talk about it for 10 minutes about something going on in the world or whatever, I think that's a cool space. It is. It's very, um, what I do now is the most fulfilled I've ever felt in my life really because

38:01I get to talk to the most interesting people in the world. I get to travel the world. Yeah. Travelings very good for you. You learn a lot. Um, and I just have fun, dude. Yeah. I don't talk to anyone I don't want to. And then we see how the audience reacts to everything. It's cool. Yeah. And the numbers and the analytics and all that, seeing what works with doesn't work. Yeah. And I think that's a lot of people. Like, I mean, you're talking to like all these people, all these different opinions and you're getting to then hear all these different sides and then come to your own conclusion. Exactly. It's pretty cool. Yeah. No, I'm talking to the best people at what they do. Like if you're the best person at X, Y, Z, I'm talking to you and I'm learning from you. And there's something you can learn from everyone. Exactly. You know, whether it's a billionaire or just an athlete or an author of a book who knows it. And you can learn something from a homeless dude for real. You can literally learn something from a lot of people. What are you learning these days? Are you reading any books or consuming any podcasts or anything? No, I've been traveling a lot this summer. I need to get back on that like peaceful.

39:05Honestly, man, like I'm guilty of getting distracted too. I'm being on the phone too and not playing down enough. Come on in. I was very, really. It's so bad. Yeah. What's your screen time? It's cool. Let me see. How do you look at that? If you go to settings and then type screen time. Settings and then screen time. Yeah. Let me see. Yeah, man. Nine dude. Oh my god. It reminds a lot better than it used to be. Really? It reminds five hours. Oh, that's solid. That's actually the lowest I've heard out of someone our age. Really? Yeah. Yeah, five hours. That's pretty good. That is. That's still a lot. Still a lot, but I think it's a five because I am working out. That's a smooth three four hours throughout the day that I don't have a good answer. That makes sense. I'd be watching YouTube videos. I'm actually learning probably half of it. Yeah, my girl, she, I'm actually learning a lot from her. Her screen time is like two hours. Yeah. That's impressive. Two hours a day, man. I've seen her. She's so present and in the moment I've seen her put her phone down and not touching her hours on some normal stuff, not even her trying to force herself.

40:07She's just in the moment talking to people. Pretty impressive. Isn't it crazy how that's a rare thing these days? And it's rare seeing people like, like I've been around a lot of famous people. Yeah. Seeing people that like actually are present and giving each conversation that they get them like they're there and they give each person the time of day. That's a, that's a rare thing. That's not supposed to be rare. Yeah. Did the rise in popularity ever get to you at all? You seem pretty grounded, but. No, I think the, it didn't just because first of all, I got seven siblings, you know, and big family. And also mine was like a slow boy. Like I was in eighth grade, I became kind of known for being good in basketball and then at ninth grade, I was better. 10th and 11th grade, I became like the number one player in my class. And it became like a slow thing. So since high school, people have been like a fan of me, you know, I feel like when people go on like these reality shows, then they come off and they have three million followers and they are faint and they're walking around. That can be true.

41:07I would be a shot. Too quick. They're a system and they, yeah. But for me, it was like a slow boy. I agree though, because just as fast as you rise up, you see these guys just roll off just as quick. From what I've seen, I've been in the social media game for like 10 years and there's so many people that have come and gone. And then it's like they're chasing that like what they once had and they're doing like the most just for attention. Yeah, that's a dangerous rabbit hole to be in. Yeah. If you're just chasing views and attention, then you start doing crazy stuff. Yeah, you know, what do you think of these streamers? Now I know you've been on these streams. I think someone more dope. I think Neon is really dope and grounded and cool. I think it's cool how Kai stepped away for a while, which he needed to do and he can come back and feel like refreshed. Yeah. I think that's, and I would tell Plac Watchers to his face because I got on Plac Watch. Like he, to me, like he's all about expressing yourself, which is cool. But it's me out of something I'm watching his own like, yo, are you good, dog?

42:08That buddy's funny and he likes to express himself. And then Adrian Brunner and Dean, they're hilarious. They're wild and butt to an extent. AB, that's how he just is. So that's why people are like so like entertained by it because that's his name. That makes sense. You know, yeah, as long as you're being yourself on a line at the some of these streamers just be doing the craziest stuff. Like car accidents. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having their security guards press people, getting in fights. That's when it gets kind of dangerous, right? Exactly. Yeah. You ever want to get into that world at all? Maybe I would do the streaming, but like it would be, it wouldn't be like a streaming it. Like we're going to do in a bunch of activities. It'd be like doing my, my sit down conversation, just live streamed. Yeah. That makes sense. So then people know it's not like super edited. It's pretty, it's pretty, whatever. That's a big thing. A fanatic stress is here. A lot of live pods. Really? Yeah. I'm going to, yeah, I have a couple things. Yeah, there's a lot of podcasts that are filming live with an audience.

43:09Oh, that's choir. Yeah, that's fine. I think Shannon Sharp's going to be there a couple other, Dremons doing his thing there. That's fine. That's like, that event looks popping, man. Yeah, it's cracking over there. Yeah, did you go last year? No. No, I'm going tomorrow though. Hell yeah, it's going to be lit. Are you still on the, you said the vegetarian died earlier? Are you still on that? No, I had a knee for the first time, pause and... Oh, my God. I can't. My rookie year. All right, wait, yeah, my rookie, I went to like a breakfast place and they accidentally bought a bacon and I tried it and it was... Oh, no, I don't know. Bacon had that this morning. So then I like slowly introduced other stuff. Oh, God, yeah. And do you feel better? I do. I think because I, I think you can do vegan, you can do vegetarian. It just has to be, you almost have to have a chef to get all the micro-new trans, all the protein. You can't just do it yourself too hard. So growing up, we were vegetarian but we weren't getting any of that stuff that we needed. And I feel like that might have contributed in some way to some of my family members' injuries.

44:13We didn't have that foundation, but my body feels great and I've been eating meat, paws, for, uh, for what, nine years? Okay. I don't know how Chris Paul does that, man. I really don't. But he has a chef. Oh, he has a chef. When you have the vegan chef, like they can like get you the protein through quinoa or through chickpeas or through, you know, afocados and different things that they can substitute. But when you've done that, chef, you're just eating like random stuff. Just not meat. It's hard to, it's hard to get everything you need. Was there a veteran like that that took you under their wing when you first came in? Someone like CP? I had Mason Plumley. I had Paul Milzap who was like, he was right next to my locker. He was, he was a great vet. Then the next few years after that, I had like Isaiah Thomas Austin Rivers. Um, nice. Yeah, I had some good, I think that's a well-barned, my man, well-barned was dope. Um, yeah, I had some solid, solid ones. I feel like that really helps you navigate the lead because the average career in the NBA is three and a

45:13third years. Which is nothing. Yeah, and I think one of the best vets across the lead, probably an NBA history is Deanna Jordan. He literally just signed a two year deal just because he's an amazing vet, you know? He could, he's still got his, it's crazy. He's older now. He still has all that athleticism and whatever, but he's committed to being a good a veteran leader for that young team out there in New Orleans. So he was in Denver for a while. He's me and him got into a bad one time. Really? I proud of you. And you and Dianjee. Yeah, we got into, no, it was in the game. We got into a bad. I'm talking about like cussing each other out, telling each other that each other is going to get traded. This that is that like we were into it. But like, like we became so close over time after that. Like, like norm that felt at the time like a conversation you can't bounce back from. Like we were on the bench, like talking crazy to each other. But we got over it and he literally has become like one of my favorite people. And like the best vet you can have, I feel like it's Deanna Jordan.

46:15I mean, it's cool that we got to that point after that heated conversation. That's dope, man, because not a lot of centers make it that long. Yeah, yeah, he's the man. He's he's he's yeah, he's and he's still so athletic. Like he inspires me because like he's still one of the first in the gym, still one of the first in his routine. Like he sticks to his routine. He sticks to his stretching, his lifting, his massages, his diet. Like he's so on point and he's not even like getting tons of playing time at this point in his career. But he's ready. Yeah coach calls it. His body is ready. Like that to me, like you've developed like a like an identity and like a like a consistency about yourself and an integrity about your like life that I feel like is impressive. Yeah, that's why LeBron is achieved greatness. You know, that's why Yannis is who he is. That's why Shay is who Shay is that consistency and like your daily habits is is always really impressive to me. Yeah, that's dope because I know he's only getting like five minutes now, but he's really hard.

47:16Exactly. Like that just shows why he's lost it so long in the league, though. Exactly. He's almost he's upper 30s now. Yeah, I would say he's probably close to 40 holy crap. Yeah, I remember him on a he's close to 40. I remember him on Lob City, man. Yeah, that was when I was in high school. He could still do all that stuff too. That's crazy. Yeah, he could still do all those in Blake Griffin and CP. Oh my God. I know. I still can't believe they started seven. Wow. That's one of those what if teams too. It's in the other live city, right? Yeah. Health is just such a big factor. I mean, right? Yeah, health is, but health is people think health is just about the physical your physical body. Yeah. What I've learned about health is it has to do with not only your physical body, but you have to pay equal attention to your mental, emotional and spiritual health. If you want to be like in full alignment and all of them affect each other, if you're off mentally, your body's not going to feel as good. If you're off spiritually, your body's not going to feel as good and your mental's not going to feel as good and your emotions aren't going to feel as good.

48:17You know, they're all like intertwined. Yeah. When you look at a pie chart of like winning a championship, mental health, physical health, coaching, like how would you break it down? Because you've got a chip. What do you think is the most important? I would say your mental health would be probably like 65 or 70% of the fire. So more than athleticism and then the other because everyone in the NBA is good. Our profession than the other half would be 30% and I say that because by the time the playoffs comes and the champion, you've got everyone's banged up. No one's 100% healthy. They say Jay, Jayla Brunson just had surgery on his wrist. Really? And he was playing through that the whole finals. He was even makes it even more impressive, but no one's 100% healthy. But it's that mental and it's that togetherness. It's the year you lose a tough game at home. Now you have to go play another game because the same team, you know, like clearly, Cleveland, when they played the NICS and they lost game one after being up 25 in the garden,

49:23that destroyed them like mentally, you know? Yeah, they were like the same after that. Yeah, so it's like it's a lot to do with that. It's so crazy how one game can just decide the whole series. Literally not. And that's all the mental signs. Same with the Spurs. Like there was one or two games where I felt like it was a mental collapse. Yeah, they could listen to us again. Like they had the players. They had the talent. They were dominating most games and they kept, they kept like folding at the end. You know, they were up 72% of the games. Crazy. Isn't that nuts? But they lost in five. That's nuts. That's unreal. That is crazy. That's a crazy stuff. Do you feel like you've accomplished every day and you've wanted to in the league or you still got more? I got more. Yeah, I got more. You want more chips, sir? I want another chip and I want it all star. I was supposed to be an all star last year. Oh, you need that last year? No. 24 and 7 was enough. Well, they, yeah, but they, yeah, they, they hold me. I was supposed to get in there, but it becomes a whole thing with your team's ranking,

50:23right? Yeah. Yeah, that's part of it. And then like, but at the time I was averaging like 25 points, something and they put a couple of dudes into the, I felt like I could have snuck in there over, but so that's still the goal is motivating me. Another championship and helping lead this, this young team. Yeah. And helping us be a playoff team and growing this the right way is also a goal of my scale. Have you made all start in? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not in the nuggets because we were two stacks. Right. You know, Jamal only made his first all star last year. What? That was, you know, Jamal Murray. No, that's crazy though. Yeah. I thought he made it every year. No, no, no, no. The score was going guard position is so deep. No, it's just that the west is so good, then we were so stacked. A lot of the stats were like distributed more like caring, gorgeous. Jamal, when I was there, I was like, I was like, you know, I was like, what, what, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, there's only two years here. I was averaging 18.5 or 19. Jamal was averaging probably 22, 23. But then without me there, he's dependent on more, he's probably averaging 26, 27. Right, you know. So, sounds you think you'll catch as a shot of being the best center.

51:25I think he is the best center here. Really, better than when be better than shack, better than, yeah. Well, so I forget, the other older centers that are known. Yeah. I think he's, you think he's already the best. I think Joker's the best center here. Really? because he's still active. He's the role overall. Yeah. I feel like he could have got MVP five years in a row. I feel like he, he, he, he, he, he, I mean, obviously people put so much stock in the championships, which they should. But how many did Shaq win with Kobe? Was it two or three? I don't know, but that's like one with D-Wade. It might have been three. Yeah, three. But that's like two top five players ever on the same team. Yeah. So like, you know, they were able to win those championships. Obviously, I think Shaq, you know, Shaq and Joker, that's like the, but I think Joker's in that conversation for sure. He's in the convo. A lot of people push Shaq over him for now, but you're a teammate. I think he's in the convo. I just see you've seen it first time. He's in him to do stuff on the floor that nobody can do. You get involved with the gold debate at

52:29all. You kind of stay out of that. I stay out of it just because I feel like people, again, it's people being followers and being sheep. And it's just because everyone said Jordan was the goat. Everyone just wants to say that you didn't sit down and watch 50 of his games, the full game. Yeah. You don't know any that you don't know Jordan was the goat or not. Like most people in his generation, you had to grow up watching Jordan or have like been a student of the game and went back and watched all his games, his good games, his bad games, you know, his playoff series to know if he's the goat. No, you know, but like obviously his resume is when it comes to resume, he's the goat. I think Lebron is the goat in a different way. I think Lebron is like his long, he has set the blueprint for athletes on your habits, how you prepare longevity, what the human body's capable of. I think Lebron has set all those standards to a new level. Absolutely. He came in like probably like Tom Brady, you know, Tom played for a long time, stayed pretty in

53:34shape, but the best basketball player ever, I feel like it's like if I had to put a list, I'm putting Lebron, I'm putting a Jordan then, then I'm going to say Kobe. I think those are the top. That's a good list. But the top, when you talk about like top 10, like there's a lot of guys that could probably be in there. Like I think, like I think Shaq's in there. I think I think Mattie Johnson's in there. I think Larry Bird's in there, but I think that you could make an argument that Kevin Durant is a better basketball player than Larry Bird was. You could definitely make that one. You know what I mean? So then it's like it's Kevin Durant in there. Then it's like, okay, Steph Curry in there. Then you got to Bill Russell's in the wheelchair and it's like, it's like a lot. Yeah, it's up 10 you could say anyone. So that always like asking players because you're like actually playing against these guys, you're seeing them with your own eyes. I'll say the top five players that I have been in the NBA since I've been in the NBA, the top five players I've seen

54:36is Joker, Janice, Shay, Steph, and Brian. No order. No order. So Katie's not in there. Wait, what I say Katie Joker, Brian, you said Steph. Do you say SGF or no? I'll say top seven. I'll say I'll say Katie and and and SGF are in there to solve a booth. But then it's like Luca and it's like Lucas could be in there. Luca, if it's just offense, right? Luca, if you're just talking about offense, we got a factor in both. I don't know if that's but his offense is yeah, offensively unbelievable. I think that playoffs, I think deep book. He's one of the toughest covers I've seen down in Mitchell's a crazy tough cover. Jason Tatum's called Jaylen Brown. Like there's a lot of good so many like I'm growing up. If you had one or two really good players, you could win a championship. Yeah, right. You got to have a whole squad and a bench now and a bench. Like literally, literally to win a chip, you got to be stacked. Yeah. Think about a stacked. Okay, see what they had three

55:39all stars on their team. Shay, Jaylen Williams and Chef. And then they had a crazy bench. When we were when we won, you have Joker who's an all star, Jamal's an all star. AG could have been an all star one year and I could have been an all star another year. So that's for all star, I'm almost that are starting. Then you bring in up the bench. Bruce Brown, obviously we had KCP who you need players that like like people underestimate how valuable like the the the role players are like. Shaq that's about every that's literally everything. You know, that like if OKC didn't have the carusos, the case and wallets is the heart and stands. Like they're they're they're not who they are. Yeah. You know, if Boston didn't have the Derek Whites and the Drew holidays, they're not who they don't know. Shaq talks about this all the time. He'll say the role players will win you one or two games in the series. Yeah, I don't you I would go like a good role player. I don't even call him a role player anymore. Derek Whites not a role player. Yeah. When Drew. How is not a role player? What do you call him? I don't

56:43even know. We do call him. You don't really call it because some people call a dream on green like a role player, but like you they don't win those temperatures without a dream on green. Yeah, so he's a star. Don't know. He's like a he's like a Hall of Fame player like. But yeah, I don't even know what you call those guys that are like excel so well in their role. You can't really call him a role. Yeah, at that point you ever get an argument with Dremond on the court? No, now Dremond's cool me. I'll matter. Right. I don't even know if he remembers me and him right the yeah me him to uh ruins white part of me and Dremond took a shot together. Yeah, we were there. He's a he's a cool dude. It's crazy. Like some of these people that have big personalities on the court, the Dremond's, the Dylan Brooks, like you meet him in person. They're the coolest dudes ever. Yeah, I went to Delilah with him once. He probably doesn't even remember this, but he shook my hand super nice to me. He didn't know who I was. This is really before I was even like no one on social media. Yeah, and I was with my boy, shout out to camp for them. Yeah, nice. This guy. Have her dude. I was actually shocked. Dremond. I see what it was. Yeah, because you formed this persona. This is why I'm

57:45so careful judging people these days off what I see online. I thought he was a dick or whatever from all the foul and he was doing, but he's like the nicest guy. Yeah, and I was just talking to Dylan Brooks the other day in Vegas. He literally said he's created like two characters as off the court character. Then this character he taps into when he's competing to give him that fire in that edge. Yeah, but off the court he's super laid back. Exactly. So super cool. He's like a villain now, but I think the NBA needs guys like that. Yeah, that right. For sure. You ever get into like the you said you were talking shit with the Andre Wands, but you're not normally like that though, right? On the court. No, no, I'd be chilling for the most part. Yeah, that's what I know. It's you're pretty calm and cool. I don't ever see you talking or getting in fights or anything. Yeah, not really. Not really my style. People will need it to get fired up. Yeah, I got other stuff to think about, especially like, yeah, or what's the next big thing for you, man? Well, you, uh, I know big season coming up, but what else? Your podcast coming. I want to take this stuff off the court more serious. Um, professionalize it a little bit. Um, but definitely I'm going to release 10 like episodes throughout August, the September, 10 pretty good combos and I really try to

58:49tap into the space because I think I think it's another talent I could have for sure. I think your show could be one of the biggest sports shows. Yeah. Well, yours isn't even sports really, but it's it branches out into all that I saw. I got it like really and I'm I'm talking more about like how how how to really like do it in the best way because I've even so far had really good conversations, but you have to get your platform to a point where people are tuned in. So now you can have random people on and it's still about right now. It's like I need to have almost a thing. Yeah, you don't want to I don't want to be like, no, like feel bond as well too. He'll have on a random electrician or the police officer and get a minute. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can't have a lie on just big names. Right. I hope you thought. But, dude, thanks for coming on. I was really, this was awesome. I appreciate their done. Yeah, check out the show guys. A wink of blow. Peace. If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend. It helps us grow the channel, it helps us grow the podcast. It means a lot to us. Thank you so much.