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2:02sparkling out of the can. It's wonderful. Jason, let's talk a little football. What do we do? Oh, and while I'm at it, shout out to the folks already in the chat. Shout out where you coming from. I see Fafton. I see Winston. I see Lubbock. Get in it. Tell us where you're from. Jason, Carolina plays Tennessee State in front of a 12 noon crowd. Shack Diesel will get us all stirred up at 10 a.m. on the Wilson library steps. I'm definitely going to check it out. But here's my thing. Obviously, when you play a team like this, they've got some talent that you expect to win. So in this show, we're going to talk more about what Carolina needs to do to have successful Saturday beyond the scoreboard. Jason, just in your initial look at East Tennessee State, we talked off air, Mason Moons, a good quarterback, cancelling it and aceling it a lot. Just you're overall thoughts and then we'll dig into the details. Yeah, you know, I went and reviewed actually their game against Campbell, which was useful.

3:08Because I've got some sense of how how good Campbell is. And of course, Carolina has had has played against Campbell, you know, fairly recently. So you get a kind of sense of what their what their level is. And what I noticed is they've got some holes on defense. You know, they're there. This should be a great opportunity for Patrino and Carolina to use this as an opportunity to to get the offense on track to really feel like they can execute and run their base stuff. Execute in the passing game, all of that. But offensively, East Tennessee State has some dudes. They can sling the ball around and Mason Moons, 63211 out of Oxford, Alabama. He's a freshman. Look, he's starting over Jayden Davis, who at one point was was a very highly thought of coming out of high school. And Davis is a sophomore. This freshman's starting over him and he's starting over him

4:10for a good reason. Throws a very catchable ball, pushes the ball vertically, really well, mims is a guy that's going to be an FPS quarterback. Like he will get pulled away from ETSU within a year or two. He's just he can play. And they've got a few receivers who can also get over the top and can play. So they are not, they're not entirely athlete poor. And you are going to have to actually cover them. You're going to have to get pressure on the quarterback. You're going to have to be disciplined on defense to actually do what you want to do in this game and get get your defense off the field and and get into your backups and all that later in the game. That's what you want. They'll score if you're not careful. If you if you have a bus, he will find it. And they will score. So this is going to be an interesting game in that respect because Caroline is offense is going to have the opportunity to do something they haven't done in a long time. And that's score a reasonable amount of points. And defensively, they're actually going to have to play

5:14reasonably good football to keep this team, even though they're an FCS team to keep them from scoring too much. So that's kind of my initial thoughts. Yeah, when you look at it, Will Healy, of course, from coach Charlotte is funny. If you watched ETSU press conference this week, Healy and I'll get I'll butcher this if I'm not careful. Healy was at Charlotte. Billy Edwards played against Charlotte when Healy was at Charlotte. So he knows about Billy Edwards, talked up Billy Edwards about having experience and all and in six years and success at Maryland and started it way. You can all that. So it was a good press conference if you haven't watched it. You might not check it out. I mean, Caroline plays East Tennessee State. You expect Caroline to win big, but there's a lot a lot to gather from watching these these FCS teams and especially coaches that are on up and up. And like you mentioned, Jason Mason, Mooms, looking at the stats and I had it right here and I'm going to

6:14off when I was talking about elements 46 for 62 74 y'all are 74% 615 and five touchdowns. So he can sling it around. What does Caroline and people in the chat are asking about, is Avio Lewis, that is a Don Callahan question, UNC 4477. Don Callahan may join us on this show. I'll talk to him later tonight. So I'll ask him that question. But what does Caroline and need to do to to keep Mooms off balance? Is it the same thing that it did against TCU? Is it something different? Your thoughts on how the defense needs to look battling these guys that can throw it? Well, you know, my general thought is that with quarterbacks, there are certain principles that are pretty universal. One is it's really hard to be efficient if you're if you're on your back. So the number one thing that Carolina can do is is make sure that Mason Mooms doesn't have a lot of time to throw. I mean,

7:17one of the things so far with him is that he has been he has been able to to he's only been sacked once. And you know, he's been able to get rid of the football pretty quickly. And you know, you look at his overall time to throw. It's 2.6. He gets the ball out. But you want to make it so that if you can if you can get guys to compress the pocket a little bit on him and get into a face a little bit while also I think you want to get up and disrupt these receivers a little bit so that you're trying to force him to hold on to it a little bit longer than he's used to. Then essentially you let your rush kind of kind of affect him. But he's been pretty dang good over the course of the season, just getting the ball out. And I'll say when he's kept clean, that time to throw on average is 2.35. It's really fast. When he's under pressure, it goes to

8:223.83. So he will pull the ball down and move a little bit. But that's when you can potentially get him. And to me, a lot of this just comes down to those defensive tackles in particular against this guy because he does get it out pretty quickly. Can you compress the pocket against him? Can you force him to deal with cramped space? And can you disrupt the wide receivers enough? Because you should have the athletes to be more of a problem to those receivers for those receivers and what they've had in the first two games. They scored 37 against Campbell and they were able to run by those guys some. You've got the athletes to be able to bump and run them a little bit. Some of those things. I think you want to try to disrupt his timing with the combination of just in your face, let those defensive tackles compress the pocket and then get up in the faces of those wide receivers. 82% adjusted completion percentage. You'll take that. And like we said earlier, he's

9:22thrown for 622 yards, 10 yards and a 10 one intersection, five touchdowns. The time to throw you mentioned is a highlight for him. I mean, it's Campbell and I don't want to butcher the name of the team they played. Second, he did not play as well. He did not play as well in that game. So you look at this and you look at Carolina's defensive approach. I want to see like you mentioned the defensive tackles go to work. I want to say Xavier Lewis or whoever it is, Lee Roy Jackson or all of those guys go to work. And I want to see somebody on the back end make some plays. But let's talk about the linebackers first. I thought Derek Medino was great against TCU or very solid against TCU. Peyton Silman, not as good a game. After you've had an opportunity to review the film specifically of the linebackers in the back end of Milco, on defense, what did you see that maybe they need to fix or improve on in this one against ETS.

10:26Yeah, I mean, it was really, I actually thought Silman played better once I reviewed the film than he then then it appeared my first time through watching it. But when I got to look at the end zone copy and sort of see what his responsibility was and all that, he played a little better than I thought. But there were times where it just looked like he was just a beat slow in terms of triggering or in terms of getting to where he needed to be in terms of making the decision and pulling the pin. And really, I think that's the big thing right now is that both backers, this is their first year in this system. And Bellicic asks a lot of his backers. I mean, what they're doing in that odd front, those backers were doing a lot of gap exchange and they were doing a lot of, they're doing a lot of two gapping in front of them. So you have to actually play that gap through that gap and you're kind of looking for where the defensive tackle is going to be taken or where the guy in front is going to be taken so that you step up into that other spot. But they they were still in

11:31Silman in particular was still just a hair, just a hair slower than ideal as he's making those decisions. But it wasn't that bad. The other thing is that you're playing against a team in TCU that's really good at outside zone stuff. And they're really good at getting to the second level and getting hands on backers. And there were a few times where they got reached. But to some degree, that's also the fault of the guys in front of them who are supposed to be protecting them from getting reached. You know, there were times where the defensive lineman, he's responsible to make sure that that combo block that that guy doesn't come off of you. You're supposed to make sure that he's held up on you. So a little bit of some of those things that looked like it was backer initially didn't look as bad. But again, I think both of them and Silman in particular and Agumado as well. He was also, you know, he and Silman were pretty comparable in my book in terms of how they how they grade it out. Agumado played with maybe a little more violence. Silman's a little

12:37quicker player. So you have a little bit, a little bit of a, they're both split in time at this point. And you have a little bit of, um, of benefit from both of them. But really those two could pull the pin a little bit quicker than they needed to. And even MacDonald at times could pull it, pull the pin a little quicker. But MacDonald really impressed me. I mean, it seemed to me that he has a much, he has a really strong grasp and a stronger grasp of the defense than I expected him to have in game one. So, uh, and they were able to use him more widely as a result. They moved him around. They put him on the edge. They moved, they, they mugged him. They did, they did a bunch of stuff with him, which was, which was interesting. Uh, so I expect to see that. But you, you bring up a good point also about the importance of the backers in this game because the other thing is Mims has 615 yards and he's looked really good throwing the football. But the other thing that's helped them is their top two backs, TJ Payton and Jaden Daniels, the other Jaden Daniels, uh, the one that will not sue us for

13:38mentioning his name on this podcast. Uh, those two guys are averaging 7.7, 7.9 yards per carry respectively. So they, I mean, those guys have broken some tackles. They've got good vision. And if Caroline has not disciplined up front, they, they will get some rushing yardage as well. So that's the other side to this is if you're gonna, if you're gonna take advantage of, of, if you're gonna find ways to, to slow down Mason Mims, one of the things you have to do is make sure that they're, they're throwing because they have to not throwing an advantageous situations. And they get to advantageous situations if they can run the football. So you got to stop those guys. And that very much is going to come down to the backers. One of the things I'm really curious about in this game is is Caroline are going to continue to go bigger personnel like they did against TCU as often as they did or they're going to, you know, shift to a little bit smaller personnel more often against the team that wants to line up and spread you a little more and throw it.

14:41So I'm curious about that because if they do go big, that's, that's going to tell a lot about kind of how their, their philosophy of the season is going to be even against throwing teams. So something else to watch in this game. So against Mims, who is your star? If we're looking at this and I did this last week against TCU or two weeks ago against TCU, if you're looking at it, when we're talking about this on Sunday, we talked about the backers, we talked about defensive line, who in that back end on the back four or five, I would assume they're probably going to go some, I would assume they go nickel a lot. I think they're going to be nickel a lot, but we'll see. Yeah. So, so who, who are you watching there to see if they've improved or if they're going to be good enough to do this? Because I mean, it's East Tennessee State, yes, but to your point, dudes can play on offense and their issues not offense, their issues on the other side of the ball we'll talk about. Who in that back four will we be talking about on Sunday?

15:44You know, I feel like we already kind of know who and what Jayden Patterson is and we know what Caleb Costes. The guys that I'm really sort of still learning that I'm curious to see how they do weekend and week out as Tray Miller and Peyton Waters. Those guys are are interesting secondary pieces because they, one of the things they showed in week one is that they were willing to move those safeties a little bit waters and Smith around and do some things they just didn't do much last year. You know, there were times when they went when they went to different personnel, there were times where when they went to five DBs, they actually had Gregory Smith lining up in the money position. So he was lining up as a as a will linebacker effectively. And then Peyton Waters was taking that that deep safety route. And so they were moving guys around in ways that they they didn't do as much of last year. That I think is a testament to some some comfort that they

16:47feel in particular with waters with the range that he has and the ability to cover the way that he does. So and Miller, I think they showed a lot of confidence in against against TCU with how they used him in coverage. So this game in a game where it's not likely to be pouring rain in a game where you're playing against a team that maybe doesn't have some of the horses, the athletes that you're going to get against some of the the best teams on your schedule, but a team that can really throw the football. How do those guys, you know, how does Trey Miller, does he lock down his side? Does he really do that? Are they use are they comfortable putting Peyton Waters in one-on-one situations? This is the stuff that I'm looking at down the field in the back four. It'll be it they'll get opportunities absolutely, especially if Midens is given, well it all depends on these given time throw. I think they still get some shots down the field, but we'll see how those guys shake out. We're talking with Jason Staples here on the game plan podcast. Appreciate folks trickling in as we go. If you are new to the plan or to the game

17:54plan, we try to break down the opponent, Carolina's plan, and this week we're looking at what makes this a successful week for North Carolina and what happens on Saturday that makes it a successful week beyond the school board. School board matters the most. As we saw in the big house, teams can lose. They can lose and they can still be wanting to know somehow, but so Carolina needs to handle business on that end. They will certainly have the opportunity at noon in Keen and the stadium. You mentioned the weather and I don't want to flip straight to the offense, but how do you evaluate play in weather? It's more specific to the quarterback. No one will ask you about Billy Edwards on the other side of the record here, but on the defense, how do you evaluate guys if it's a sloppy game? I mean McDonald told us on Monday, he loves it. Crystal Callis said he loves those type cold, colder, a little bit damp games, but when you're

18:55evaluating the defensive players, whether it's Silman or Tray Miller or whoever, how much does that play a factor? It could be rainy in Keen and on Saturdays, you know, the weather people are all over the place. Either or, how do you evaluate if it's a bad weather? Yeah, I mean, I think what you're always doing, and the way I look at film is I'm looking at, is the guy doing his job first and foremost? Is he is he doing his assignment? Is he doing his assignment well? And along with that, is he displaying the traits and the skills necessary to project that he can do this further? That's what I want to see. So you think about a sloppy game. Maybe the quarterback has some trouble locating the ball as well. And I think both quarterbacks in Ireland had some trouble with the heavy ball with the wet ball. I think there were times where you know, you mentioned Billy Edwards. There were a few throws that Billy Edwards put behind the receiver that I think in a completely fair weather game with a normal weight ball because the

20:05ball gets waterlogged. The ball gets gets heavy when you throw it. I suspect those throws are out in front of the receiver. He's got a track record of being pretty good at keeping the ball out in front of receivers on crossing routes and things. And so you look at that and you look at Jayden Craig. There were a number of balls that were just slightly off just a little bit outside the strike zone for him. And you go, okay, how much and there are a couple where they clearly slipped out of his hand. There's a one that he, you know, he goes the load up and the balls just flew out of his hands. Remember, and he had to recover it. So you look at that. And for those guys, you just kind of, okay, well, apparently, you know, they're not exactly mutters in terms of being able to handle that as well as you'd like. But you're still when you're evaluating the corners, your question you're asking is, was that receiver open? Was the corner, did the corner match the pattern the way that he's coached to do? Did he react with the, the quickness at the right angle

21:06that you expect? Is he a guy that that gets over the wrong parts of his feet so that he slips in slides? Or is he somebody who, his footing is reliable because his technique is good? Guys with better techniques slip less than guys with, with worse technique. So you're looking at that stuff. You're looking at how open was that guy? How easy is it? That's how you evaluate. And, and for that, whether is a factor because of footing and some of those things, but for the most part, you're still evaluating the way you would. It's a great take. Talking with Jason Staples, as I said, on the game plan, shout out to Johnny T shirt, Johnny T shirt, calm, shout out to element hydration drinks. Go to the link in the description and get a free gift with your purchase for them. Jason, let's flip the script. Let's talk about the other side of the ball. I mentioned Billy Edwards. And again, listening to Will Healy, it was fascinating. Listen to him talk about Edwards and his long career in college. This is a question and this is the one thing and I'm

22:07not going to digress too far off, but this is the one thing that sort of pissed me off Monday. I wanted to ask this question to Bill Bella check. And we didn't have time because they spent time asking or other stuff. I think we're going to answer that he was not going to answer 13 minutes worth of those questions. I've always gotten annoyed when, when essentially you have, you know that you know how this works, that beat reporters will go in and they have a story already half written or all the way written and they're quote hunting. They're just fishing for quotes for to finish out their story. And really, they know like, okay, in this case, I know that he's not going to comment on this. They already said he's not going to comment on this, but I need to get him on the record that he's not going to comment on this. And I need to get the way that he does that so that I can put it in my story. That stuff drives me crazy because I'm somebody who wants to be able to ask a good question that might actually have a chance of shedding some light on

23:08something that we don't already know. Drives me bonkers, but I digress. You digress, I digress. We all digress. Let me ask you the question I was going to ask. I can't remember the exact wording of it because I was getting little little terms. I look, I've said I understand the need to ask the questions. I don't, I ask fine. But anyway, Jason, how do you evaluate Billy Edwards's play or Jaden Craig's play and in their play, what to expect and how to think, oh, they just not any good or are they bad because of the weather? And I was going to ask Coach Belichack, how do you evaluate Billy Edwards performance given all of that? Now my assumption would be he's say, that's an excuse for mistakes or whatever. But when you look at your quarterback coach, you've done this a long time. Like, what should we expect differently from Billy Edwards Saturday, if the weather's perfect? Well, a couple things. Number one is the first thing I'm

24:13always evaluating with quarterbacks, the number one and most important thing when evaluating quarterbacks is what? Whether the hair looks good, your answer to the question, don't kick it back to me. Does he throw the ball to the wrong team? Yes, is he, is he, is he throwing to the right guy at the right time? Yeah. Number one, is he putting the ball in danger? Is he putting, is he making sure that he's making quick decisions and getting the ball, putting the ball in a place where either our guy catches it or nobody catches it? That's number one. Because the weather can affect that. But if you're not doing that, nothing else matters at that position. Great. I'm a tallick. By the way, go ahead. I digress. We're going off the rails. Let's go. It's after dark. Number one for a quarterbacks, throw it to the correct color jersey, own time and in the right place. Right. Now, weather can affect that partly because what happens if your guy

25:18slips? What happens in certain cases where, you know, that's a risky throw now, but it's not in a normal circumstance, better quarterbacks understand how to play within themselves in sloppy conditions. That's a throw I might take in good conditions, but I'm not comfortable pulling the trigger into that window right now because I know that the ball's kind of heavy and I'm, I'm not feeling it. So you pull that down and you go to your check down. So you understand you're looking for whether your guy played within himself, put the ball in danger. Does he get the ball out on time? Is he recognizing how to play with those conditions? That's your first thing and your second thing really. After that, you're you're evaluating accuracy. You're evaluating all those other things and, you know, he's adjusted accuracy on the day with 66.7. That's not real good. Right. 66.7 adjusted accuracy, you know, below average. But, you know, you know, what his accuracy was

26:24at Maryland, 73.2, which is, you know, right around average, it's average to slightly above average. Okay. So you kind of know what he can do as a thrower. What you're satisfied with is that he went 28 of 33, which is pretty good in the in the rain, 28 of 33 with no picks, no turnovers. That's what you're paying most attention to here in those games. He was 16 to 28. He had 33 drop backs. Yeah. 33 dropbacks. That's right. Yeah. 28 28 attempts. Sorry, reading the wrong column. 16 for 28. That's not great, but it's not bad in those conditions. Right. Because what matters is zero interceptions, zero fumbles, zero fumbles lost. Right. So you walk out with no turnovers. You end every drive with a kick and you walk away with a win. I look at that and I go, nice job, son. We

27:30can clean some things up, but you know what? I can live with that. That's how I'm evaluating that. Indeed. And whether it's doing like Miami's doing to Florida Atlantic or what Carolina did to TCU went in 1510, a win as a win, especially for North Carolina. All right. Let's talk about keys for success for North Carolina on the offensive side. You can go wherever you want to go here. I think the number one thing is they got to get it running game in line. Benjamin Hall told us on Monday, they're going to get it right. They'll get it figured out. The one thing that still bothers me with this running back, being home for specifically, maybe, is the lack of broken tackles. But your evaluation and what you need to see from this group to say, hey, it was a good job. It was a job well done on Sunday when we talk about it. Well, I mean, the thing is they they have not

28:33been especially good against the past for the last two years. I think they were 114th last year against the past. And that's in the FCS. Right. That's. And then you watch what what Campbell was able to do to them in the passing game. Campbell threw it all over the field against them. And there were a few just flat out busts at a cross country route where guy was opened by 15 yards. And they're going to play a lot of cover three. They actually will they press they press Campbell a pretty decent amount. If they press Carolina, then you're expecting Carolina to use it speed to use the athletes on the outside and make some plays down there. There's a good game for Mason Humphrey to figure out how to how to take advantage of an FCS team. He's used to playing at that level. Get get some opportunities to get your feet wet at this level and and feel good in this uniform. You should feel a feel like you can go over the top if they're pressing you. And the other thing is they play a lot of cover three where the seams are huge. And they don't do a very good job

29:37of matching if you're going to cross the field or if you're going to have a post or whatever. This is a kind of kind of defense that you know, Patrino historically has put up absolutely enormous numbers against. So I'm looking at this and yeah, the running game is a big part of it. But I also want to see that they can actually throw the football this year because they couldn't do it at all last year. Can you come out and be efficient throwing the football in this game against the defense that has given up a ton in the passing game the last two years. I think the running game just athlete wise you should be able to line up and run the football on these guys. But if I'm bellicic, if I'm if I'm Patrino, I recognize that. And yeah, I could take the approach of like just run it and get out of there with the win. Yeah, I could or I could take the approach of let's maybe throw it a little bit more especially early than we might have because I want to make sure that we get into some offensive rhythm with the with the passing game. That's how I'm thinking

30:40about it. So to me, success looks like you're very efficient across the board on offense, but especially in the passing game. Because if your passing game gets on track, all of a sudden the teams that were able to load up against your running game last year and make your running game look worse. Suddenly, there's an extra guy in the box that you have to break that tackle. If you can demonstrate that you can pass efficiently, even against this team, now you're having now you're forcing defenses to have to defend you honestly. You're forcing defenses to have to respect some of your pieces outside. And that that changes the kinds of defenses that you're going to see. So to me, that's one of the things that I want to see put on film in this game is, can you be efficient there? Interesting question about Krebs or Drew in the chat. He's right. I've talked about it and I knew as soon as Bella check mentioned it about limited mistakes who the quarterback was going to be is you want to quarterback that doesn't lose your games. We saw Drake May just play brutally bad

31:43last night against Seattle, a pretty good team, but the interception virtually loses the game. That's what you don't want to see from anybody. Nothing averages there. And I get your point. Um, but speed on the outside. I mean, you know a lot about speed. And you need to tell us a little bit about speed. Yeah. I mean, I've been pulled over for speeding in the last roughly in the last year. And fortunately, I was able to go to iTicket.law and just typed in my information, let them know what had happened, gave them the ticket number and the details from my end. And they wrapped they they went in and they wrapped me and they got that ticket thrown out. I didn't have to I didn't have to worry about the ticket. I had no points on my license. None of that. And the speed with which they did it was actually was faster than what then how fast that was driving. First of all, and second of all, the quality was, you know, if if people out there want

32:44a team that is going to to to to be as detailed oriented as we are at inside Carolina, in terms of making sure that you get the best opportunity to get points off to get points not taken off your license and all that, those folks over at iTicket.law, a bunch of Carolina folks by the way. That's that's where you go if you end up with a ticket. So I'm pleased with that. And again, they know how speed works. They know exactly they're they're looking forward to seeing some speed on the field from Carolina. And they're, you know, they're waiting for for some of the the results of people speeding away from those games as well. That happens to you. What happened to me? Talk to them. I can say that is a service well provided and well necessary and well needed. You don't want to spend a day in court. I can tell you that with a vast years of experience of being a courthouse. And, you know, so moving on, you good? You didn't lose an eyeball with the sneeze?

33:47Tell me Jason Staples on the game plan. Carolina ETSU East Tennessee State. East Tennessee State, noon, on Saturday at or on the Acese Network. Get the keen in stadium. Get to Shaq Diesel at 10 o'clock in the Carolina, the Carolina tailgate or whatever they're calling it down there in the Wilson library and in the quad. It should be a fun day. Okay, running games based off the passing game. Let me ask you the question that somebody asked it in chat before and I've lost it already because Mookie Miller, man, you got to take a breath. You got to take a breath on all the posts. You're running everybody else's off the page. How many quarterbacks do we see for North Carolina on Saturday? Well, that depends on the sea. That's going to depend on on how much success they have. Right. If you go out there and you're efficient in that first half and it's 28 to nothing at the half, you're going to see three quarterbacks. If you go out there and you

34:48kick it around and it's 17 13 at the half and you get to 24 to 13 in the third quarter and you're finally pulling away a little bit late or whatever or your defense struggles a little bit or whatever. You get to 31 to 24 in the third quarter, whatever. Guess what? You are not going to see multiple quarterbacks because you haven't put yourself in the place where you've earned your time to put the hat on on the side line. You haven't done it as a starter. So to me, one of the things I'm looking at as a way to measure how good this performance was from Carolina is how many quarterbacks did they play? If they play at least three, this was a successful game because you got to see what you're hoping to see in this. You're getting to see what you have in those guys under the lights. How are those? What are those guys look like in this uniform in real game situations? How do they respond? You get to see that now. If you don't get those guys on the field, that's a negative.

35:52So to me, one of the things I'm looking for, are they getting three guys on the field? That question was Hodges, 13, 15 earlier in the chat. Appreciate the question, Hodges. All right. My $64,000 question. Who's the second one? It's going to be a Neil. 100%. Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm on somebody needs about 83 jersey because I think it's going to, they're both backups, but it'll be a Neil first off the pitch. I'd be shocked if it wasn't. We've been shocked before. What else, Jason? What else shows success for this game? I'd like to see clean kicking game. I thought it was fascinating on the process that Carolina puts out the video team that they put out. Bella checked, told about the kicking game in the preseason, in the pregame. It's going to be important. It's a factor. First game, you tell us in weather and what happens. A game changing as we talked about safety, snapping it over to punters head. I'd like to see a clean performance

36:55from that group. I'd like to see some return guys get some action. What else would you like to see? Give me one or two more points that folks need to pay attention to and we'll get out here early. I'll give you five. I'll give you five things that Carolina needs to do for this to be the success. Five things that I'm looking for. Number one, get out without any major injuries. Now that's not all up to you. That's the football gods. But number one is get out without any significant injuries that are going to impact the rest of your season. That's number one. Number two is efficiency throwing the football from every quarterback that comes in, but especially from your starter. Are you able to essentially run Bobby Patrino's offense the way that he wants it run? You're going against a past defense that's not very good. You should be able to cut them up when you throw the when you choose to throw, you should be able to efficiently throw the football.

37:59If the passing game looks world different from last year, that's that's number two. That's what I'm looking for. Number three, on defense, your plan against a good quarterback with some receivers who can actually threaten you. The biggest thing is no busted coverages. You might get beat once in a while, but to me, the biggest thing is making sure that you're communicating well, that you're where you're supposed to be, that you're matching correctly. And if you do get beat, it's because that guy made a play, not because your eyes are in the backfield or you're doing something that you're not you ought not to do in the guys wide open. So how many wide open guys do we see? If we don't see wide open guys running, that's a success. So that's number three, no busts on the back end because they're still breaking in some new starters there. No busts. Number number four, I want to see the young defensive line and the young

39:00quarterbacks play a bunch of snaps. So I want to see some of those the younger guys. So Xavier Lewis and those guys let those guys get their reps in the first two quarters, but ideally the third and fourth quarters, you start to see some of those young highly touted guys get more opportunities to get those reps. And again, you want to steal reps from the starters to make sure that they're fresher late in the year. So I want to see the young, especially defensive tackles and defensive ends get opportunities in the second half. Do we see, I would say you're starting defensive tackles, it's a good thing if you're starting defensive tackles have like 20 snaps in this game. That's that's success. That means that you got those young guys in there. No more than 20 snaps for your for your starting defensive tackles. And the flip side of that is

40:00getting getting each of your backup quarterbacks at least two drives. And I would say, you know, O'Neal probably three three drives you want at least that success. And then finally, number five for me is do you stay aggressive through four quarters? And what I mean is not play calling wise. What I'm talking about is are there mental lapses from your team once you get up? Do you see guys start to coast? Or do you see the mentality and, you know, all the great players, all the great teams have a have a you're down. We're not going to let you back up. You know, and this is one of the things that drives drives me crazy when you watch like a movie or whatever. And you get the villain who knocks the knocks the hero down or whatever. And then he, you know, tosses him up against the wall or whatever. And then he stands there and waits for him to get up. It's like, guys got no dog in it. And then what's he doing? You can't, and the hero does the same

41:01thing. He knocks him down and like, no, he's down. Now's when you kick him. Now's when it's time to end this right now. And the the best players, the best teams are always the teams that they don't just want to beat you. They want to humiliate you. They want to they want to hurt you. They want you to leave having spent the, you know, having gotten knocked down and then have your head held down into the dirt over and over again, you know, during the whole the whole process. And they're not stopping at the 10 count. So to me, that's the fifth thing that I want to see as far as success is the mentality of, I don't care if you're up 45 points. I don't know if you heard the, the leaked lane kiffin half time speech. Oh, I was going to bring it up. I love it. I love that. Yeah. That's me. Now I don't like lane, but that right there, that captures

42:06how you have to approach this game. You have to approach it of, we're up 28 points. It's who cares? You have an opportunity to go out there and beat the expletive out of that guy again. You've got another opportunity to go out there one more play where you can, you can embarrass that guy. You can show that you're that you're that dude. So you get, you get limited opportunities to show that you're that kind of player. So take every opportunity to win every dang rep. And the teams that are that win that win championships, the teams that win consistently, the players that are great. You look at Michael Jordan. That's one of the things that made him Michael Jordan. He was not going to lose anything. It didn't matter that, you know, you're, you know, he's he's up by this amount. You challenge him on something and he's going to he's going to make you feel it. And he might his team might be up 30 and he's going to invent a reason why he needs to come down

43:10and score and dunk on you the next time. He's going to find a way to invent some disrespect. So to me, that's number five. That that shows where the culture of the program is. What does it look like? Late in a game that you're expected to win when you're up by 21, when you're up by 28, whatever, do you see six, seven hats flying to the football? Do you see guys finishing blocks? Do you see that selling out effort to get the first down on the last drive of the game? That to me is number five. And that tells you a lot about where this program will be. I agree. Pretty much all of them. There's some talk on the special teams in there. Yes. I want to see some some special teams aspect. But you know, that's for me is to see that kind of hunger. And you mentioned Lane, I was going there when you mentioned like that speech was awesome. And they beat the hell out of Clemson and embarrassed them terribly. And that's what he wanted to

44:13do and that's what they did. And so that's the approach that I want to see from Carolina football against the team that they should beat. Now you don't have to be disrespectful. You don't have to be poor sports or whatever. Be disrespectful dirt between the whistles though. Yes. And do not allow any any any simulums of hope out there. Because what they'll always say, it's not the disparity gets you. It's the hope. All right. A couple questions we're going to get out of here quick. Short answers. Luke Miller, I'll give you a question. One you can ask I got to go and did you see enough from CJ Sadler to say he'll be a legit good receiver by years in. We've heard about his talent. We've heard about his needs to mature a little bit. Would you say from him on the field? I didn't see enough. And that's partly because just the passing game in general for both teams was pretty limited. So I didn't see enough. What I did like is there was at least there's at least one and I think two opportunities that he had where he

45:14was downfield blocking and the dude sold himself sold out. He did he did his dead level best. Now he's not as good as as Kekehuna as a blocker. Kekehuna's I got to say I want to shout him out. Trev Kekehuna blocked his tail off against TCU. The best blocking I've seen from a UNC slot. Probably since I've been breaking down UNC film. That guy was a dude when it came to blocking downfield and he just he did not let up. It was and I was really impressed by that. But the good thing is that when he was off the field, there were a couple times and I'm watching the all 22 and I catch another good block from the slot. And it turns out it's not Kekehuna. It's it's it's saddler. It's like, Oh, the young buck is is imitating the old guy. Good. So that that's the encouraging part for me because given some of the maturity stuff that we know about him, that's a sign that maybe he's embracing some stuff that he ought to. On the other side, we just

46:18don't know enough. We're going to it's going to take a few games to have a good sense of what he is in terms of potential this year. This is going to be a game where we're going to see more. I think he's going to get more opportunities in this game. But that was a good sign. Last question, Joseph 95. There's winning big Saturday change any win loss projections when we're forward. I would say absolutely not. This is a game that all of us had as a win. I do think how they play and how they meet your five, your list of five matters a great deal as well. Yep. But in the grand scheme of winning this game, just purely a standalone win is it doesn't move the needle. But a win. But a win with everything you talked about certainly does going forward, especially when they go down to death Valley and Clemson. And it's a wounded Clemson team, at least say it might not be wounded health wise, but they they wounded mentally. What an unbelievable performance by LSU and a lot of that around college football. I'm going to get us out of here. We're going in about 15 minutes before we're used to or before we normally do.

47:23No Greg Barnes tonight. He will be back. Jason and I will join me joined by Bucks Sanders on Sunday for the day after. As always, 10 a.m. live Sunday morning, Melinda, 10 a.m. live Sunday morning. Game of the day after we're doing scores. Do you want to do scores tonight? Okay, yeah, let's do it. We probably should. I'll go first. Yeah, you go first. Just so you can piggyback 55 to 10. Okay, all right, that's getting close. That's it. We're pretty similar. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with 48. You know what? No, no, I think they're actually going to try to pour some points on. I'm going to go 51. I'm going to go 51 to 51 to 17. I was about to go 17 because I think there'll probably be one of those busts. Maybe. Yeah, I'll have a bank in on there. And then, you know, back to Lang Kiffin, what he was mad about is the back-ups

48:27gave up a touchdown. Yep, the hand like that. And so I almost say, though, I'll say 55 to 10, Carolina, you got 51 17. Should be a good day. Wearing throwback uniforms that are just sweet. They are nice as they could be. Hopefully, hopefully, the weather's good. Hopefully, folks show up. If you're in the Bose lot, come say hello. No, I see radio show this year, but I'll still be down there doing things that you better get there early because I'm going to see Shaq Diesel at 10 o'clock. Jason, shout out to Ella. Shout out to Ella. The hydration shout out to I ticket that law. Shout out to Johnny T shirt always. Go support Johnny T shirt as much as you possibly can when you're in Chapel Hill or online. Jason, I'm getting this out. Peace, brother.