**UPDATE** Killer Mom Trial: Day 7 Of Deliberations Set For Friday, But First, An Inquiry Into Juror Defense Wants Removed

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3:12Murder Trial. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roves. It has been a fascinating past couple of hours in this case, ups and downs, twists, turns, yelling, throwing, slamming, confusion. But the bottom line is this jury ain't done yet. No. And we don't know where they stand. We know that perhaps it's 11 against one based on following the judges' instructions. But that does not mean it's necessarily 11 against one on a verdict decision. No, we keep saying that. And people are piecing together, but we don't know that. People are piecing it together and making assumptions and what not and 11 and ones being thrown around. And it could very well be. But we don't know and we're not supposed to know. We're not, you're legally not supposed to know and be able to pull what is going on. And Reddington said that. So I caution everybody. Now, we want to go with that and you're going with that assumption that you assume is 11 to one. Well, no, it's just that we only know that it's 11 against one based on the fact that the

4:19judge reiterated what Reddington said that one juror is unwilling to actually follow the judges' instructions on reasonable doubt. We don't know if they're 11 to one on which verdict they're choosing. It's just 11 to one on that instruction specifically. So folks, they just sent the jury home. They just went home for the night. Again, they got Friday, Friday before a holiday weekend. Day seven now, they got this case a week ago today and now they will go to a day seven of deliberations. Please update me on the hour. It's I believe I actually heard a very specific deliberation clock time of 36 hours and 22 minutes. You all they are knocking on the door now of some really extraordinary debate, excuse me, deliberation time. So yeah, Rose, we wondered what would happen after the drama.

5:19If you heard our last episode, please check it out. But we'll just pick up their roles. We didn't know how long this jury might spend the last 30 minutes to know if they come back and say anything and sure enough, they went back in there 30 minutes after all that drama came out and he sent them home. They're back at 9 a.m. However, Robes, that's what he said in court. We just got something else from Kevin Reddington as he was leaving the court out. That's right. We just watched a mob basically swarm Kevin Reddington as we expected. We've seen it each day, but today was by far the most, I don't know, the largest and the most aggressive journalist crowds surrounding Kevin Reddington. He refuses to go to podium. He said that before kind of jokingly, I don't do podiums, but this is one where he really needed to stop at a podium. You had actually people falling journalists and whatnot with the cameras. We saw someone look like they were having a medical emergency almost came out of that scrum. Yeah, we had someone first initially say, somebody's down. Then we kept hearing people say, ow, it was cameraman reporters, photographers, all getting

6:24just actually seemingly hurt in some cases in this scuffle. And yes, at the end, somebody actually had to go down. It looked like they were about to faint. That's how crazy this situation was. But we heard Kevin Reddington say that tomorrow at 9 a.m., when the jury comes back, there's going to be something that takes place in open court that we were not expecting. He said there's going to be an inquiry. Now this is not something the judge said in open court. However, Kevin Reddington was he supposed to say it or not. Don't know, but he has come out. He told it was the first thing he explained to reporters at 9 a.m. tomorrow when they come back for the jury deliberations, there will be an inquiry. He hopes it will be an open court with this juror in particular said it could be a side bar, but he hoping it's an open court to deal with this matter. So ropes is not resolved at least according to him. Yeah. And he said the juror has been identified because up until now, look, we watched the judge

7:25bring in each juror, including all the alternates, one by one, have them take an oath, ask them a question. We basically understand that the question was something to the effect of, can you follow my instructions? And if they said yes, under oath, he sent them to be seated. And he did this with every single juror. So we don't know at least we didn't know which juror is the one who's being accused by the four person of not being willing to follow the judges' instructions. But if this particular juror who has, according to Kevin Reddington, been identified, singled out, brought into open court and questioned that seems like something, I mean, that's something I've never seen before, but it seems unprecedented because now that juror is going to be known by everyone in that courtroom as the juror who is reportedly being unreasonable. I don't know how this works legally, but it seems wrong. This seems wrong.

8:25It seems like this person has been pressured. Like a lot of people, depending on where you are on this case, will say you are in favor of this juror because they are holding firm or you're annoyed with this juror because they're holding firm. Or they're holding things up. Well, again, both ways you're annoyed because they're holding firm or you're loving them because they're holding firm. I'm saying, for either side, you have a reason possibly being in favor of this person. That this person is now being pressured, it seems. Here's the instruction again. They're not following your instructions. It seems like justice is only when this person is coerced into changing their mind with the majority is how it feels. It's how it's coming off and it's why people have a problem with the dynamite charge because right now, Robs, all the debate and stuff we're hearing on TV are, well, maybe this person just doesn't understand. Well, maybe they're a little slower. I mean, even suggesting not of greater intelligence and this thing to be explained to them again,

9:27this idea that you just need to get on board with the others and what the others are doing. Well, we don't know, obviously, what happened in those deliberation room, in that deliberation room. And we're not supposed to know. And we understand that. But I was imagining a scenario for the four person to have to come and pass a note to the judge saying, there is a juror who is refusing to follow your instructions on reasonable doubt. Could this juror have basically said in deliberations, I know what the judge said, but that's not what I'm going to base it on. Like maybe this juror expressed to the other jurors that they realize they're being unreasonable or they realize that technically they're not following the instructions, but they don't care because they want it the way they want it. We don't know what that juror said to prompt that note being passed to the judge. Just mistrial time. Prove this is now this, it just feels and he wants a motion to remove this person. Okay.

10:27You put somebody else on that maybe is on your side or is in favor and now you remove somebody who was who was fight who had their belief for whatever it may be and the others the majority made a determination and no, you're not doing it right. You're not doing it right. We're going to go tell on you and possibly get you removed or broke something about that doesn't feel just because if you're that defendant and that one person as a whole that is going to keep you out of prison, you'd be pissed that this was going on. It just depends on what sides are on, but it feels wrong that it just it feels I know it's our system and everything has been done on the up and up and it's legal. Something about like pressure on this person now. It feels like every single legal analyst who we have watched witness what's happening in that courtroom. No one really knows what to think or say. This is all very highly unusual. This is not something we see very often, but Kevin Reddington says he wants all of it in open court. He doesn't want things inside bar.

11:29He wants it to be known in public, but I'm not sure because then someone asked him in that scuffle and that scrum, do you want a mistrial? And he very, very quickly said, why would I want a mistrial? We kicked the shit out of their case. I don't want a mistrial. He was fired up in every way today. So just a regular day for him is what that is for Kevin Reddington. This is extraordinary stuff. So what is it we can expect tomorrow and what does it mean now because we are up against yes, a holiday weekend? When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. I just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying shut up, don't say anything.

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16:37metastasized from conjecture to accepted fact. So on August 4th 1962, Marilyn Monroe died. Then the rumors started and she died again. And now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died. The third way. Learn more about what happens when fame, media obsession and conspiracy collide. Listen to Hollywood land on the I Heart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back everyone to Amy and DJ. We are following all of the vents inside that courtroom in Massachusetts. And certainly what just happened outside of the courtroom because Kevin Reddington just walked out after a very fiery exchange with the judge in open court. And he claims there is more to come in the morning. And it's beyond just the jury returning to

17:37deliberations when court ended. Yes, we heard the judge say, well, like you back here at 9 AM where deliberations are going to continue. But we just heard from Reddington that they may not begin those deliberations right away. So yes, we now have something that's going to happen. Robes already in the morning to look forward to in terms of drama. Look, every morning they're just supposed to say, hey, welcome. Go back and deliberate. And we wait. And it just hasn't been the case on any of these mornings. This was one of the this might be the only one robes that started with them just coming in. Good morning, go deliberate and they kind of did it on time. And then the day becomes this. Robes, we've seen this plenty of times over our careers. We've seen it even recently. Coming up against a holiday we can. What is this group going to do? What plans do they have? Never thought we'd get to this. But does that have an impact on their deliberations now? And Robes, if they remove this juror, if there's an inquiry like they say, God forbid this person gets

18:40removed, Robes, I have to start deliberating over again. If that's not something they're going to be able to do quickly, what the new person comes on is how you guys vote. You know what? That's how I feel too. Let's get on out of here. It's not supposed to work that way. What if it does? Will there be a miscarriage of justice? Again, really just is the system, but something feels wrong about that. That let's get the person off this not with us. And let's get somebody else in here who will vote the way we want. And let's just say this person is, you know, not following the judges instructions. What's what if that person is convicted? What if they just said something wrong, but it is their conviction? How they want to vote? That's the way the system is supposed to. I'm supposed to possibly have somebody in there. Even if it's one, if they're on my side, then dammit, that's not the way it's supposed to go. Even if it's one, baby, that is what our system allows. This is fascinating. So what could happen

19:41tomorrow? So the juror could remain the deadlock could continue and we could end up with a Miss trial. The jury, the juror could go back and could finally decide to go ahead and go with the majority and we get a verdict or the juror could be removed and a new juror, one of the alternates could be put in place and then deliberations would continue. And then what if they don't reach a verdict, they could keep deliberating into Tuesday, because obviously they would have the weekend and Monday's Labor Day off. So there are basically four different scenarios that could take place. Did I, is that how many we could be at? Because it really at this point, I wouldn't even dare to guess what could possibly happen tomorrow. I actually thought today, obviously today, we're either going to have a verdict or a Miss trial. Never in my wildest dreams could I have predicted what

20:42we actually saw happen and occur today in that courtroom. This is this is fascinating. And look, it was a complicated trial. It was a controversial trial. It was a a heartbreaking trial and it was drama filled. So why would we expect a short, a quick deliberation? Why would we expect a drama free deliberation? This is what the country is going through ropes seven days of deliberations. That is about right. That's exactly what the country is going through in all of our conversations and all of our back and forth and trying to. I don't know, reconcile how we move forward when all of us have different views, not just different views, ropes, diametrically opposed views of what to do with this lady. Yeah, if you ever just want to get a taste of where America is on this, if you watch any of these life feeds, court TV is the one that has the comments rolling right? I just happen to watch a few of them come through. It is

21:42remarkable how entrenched people are in their beliefs, in their position on what the verdict should be. And I worry, whatever outcome happens in that courtroom, whether we find it out tomorrow or Tuesday, I worry about public reaction to the verdict. I think these jurors have every reason to be concerned about their names, their identities, being released in some way, shape or form. And certainly this one juror who has now been singled out. We don't know their name. We don't know anything about them, nor should we. But ever. Obviously, there's a fear that that identity would, would somehow be known or be released. I just, the tension is just so high right now. I'm deeply concerned for people's safety. I mean, look, just even seeing what happened with members of the media trying to get a microphone or a camera close to Kevin Reddington. People were being injured and possibly suffering issues, medical

22:44issues, just trying to get close to Kevin Reddington. That speaks to the intensity and the passion surrounding this case. Keep an eye on it tomorrow, folks. We certainly will be. Please keep an eye on our feed because, yes, 9 a.m. They're back for deliberations, but there is some business very serious business to tend to that could have an impact on deliberations moving forward. Hello, but they we appreciate you as always sticking with us. Keep an eye on the feed. We are keeping an eye on that courtroom. We always appreciate you on TJ. That's Rose will talk soon. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering the ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Pinero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission

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