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It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.

You know, I've said quite a bit that since November 5, DEI and wokeness and all of that, it started to die.

But has it really? Could it come back? I think maybe it could.

We're going to have a bigger conversation about that and more right now with Trisha Anton.

You know, if you go to AmericaOut Loud.News, you'll find a lot more content.

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You can find additional podcasts and also find great articles written by very smart people,

including Trisha Anton. She's been on the program before. It's been a while.

I should have had her back sooner, but Trisha, welcome back to the program.

Well, thank you, Booker. I really appreciate being back here just a quick note, though.

It's Anton. Anton, I apologize. Did I do this last time?

No, that's okay. So I just.

Well, it's great to have you. I know that you were just on vacation.

Did you enjoy the sunshine wherever it was that you did?

It was a wonderful, wonderful time.

Let's go to your page here on AmericaOut Loud.News and look at the last article that you wrote,

which is titled The Left's Social Justice Narrative,

Now Exposed and Rejected. You wrote that on February 28th.

What's the article about? I've read it and I want to get into it a little bit.

Well, a couple of topics that really seem to characterize this whole woke agenda.

And the first would be the trans thing.

And people are now seeing through that and pushing, pushing back on that in a big way.

And the other thing is this whole approach to homelessness and drug abuse,

which basically cultivates homelessness and drug abuse instead of treating the problem.

So both of those things, people are pushing back on those destructive things in a big way now.

And I think the reason is because that we're seeing through the virtue signaling and all of that,

they use this moral blackmail and shaming tip to try and tell you that you have to accept that a boy is now going to compete with your daughter in girl sports.

And again, they use it to tell you you have to put up with the loss of your public parts to these drug-addled homeless encampments.

And if you don't, then you're an intolerant big, you know.

But people are now pushing back on that and recognizing that no, that the destruction caused by these things is far greater than any benefit.

So pursuing.

I think American people have woken up. I think it was evident on November 5th that the Democrats are just lost in messaging right now.

And even you mentioned the men in girls sports and the vote that just took place in the Senate last week.

And not one Democrat voted for that. And that kind of shows you how out of touch the Democrat party is with the vast majority of American people.

It's 80% in exactly.

You know, Booker, it's not just that their messaging is off.

If they actually had a pro-America pro-human being agenda, you know, and they were just miscommunicating it, you know,

that's the kind of language we'd use about the pro-law as a bad message.

But that's not what it is. Their policies, their agenda itself is opposed to in God we trust.

It's opposed to family formation. It's opposed to sound and thriving communities and success, you know.

So with that, they oppose everything that causes America to work.

Yeah. And I want to get into maybe some intersectionality and Marxism. I think you address that in this article.

Before we get to that, let's talk about the social justice warrior.

That white female suburban liberal that has in a lot of ways taken over the Democrat party.

That's who they play to. Talk about them and the way that you spoke about it in your article.

Well, yeah. And I think the governor of Maine really, really exemplifies this in a big way.

You know, she's casting herself as an underdog hero in this moral struggle to defend the oppressed.

And what she's effectively doing, though, is denying our daughters a sex-specific opportunity in which to compete.

So, you know, it's completely absurd entirely what she's doing.

And yet she's insisting on it because she's absolutely convinced that she is the moral hero here.

Right. And that's where a lot of this comes from.

And America, the Constitution, is about individual rights and freedoms, not boxes of groups of people, regardless of what those groups are.

And that brings in intersectionality, which then also brings in Marxism.

And when you look at where this country has been, and I believe, and I say it quite a bit, that Donald Trump winning is a respite.

It doesn't mean it's over. It means that we have an opportunity.

The start was November 5th. It wasn't the end. And where is this going to go?

Do we actually end the wokeness in all of that that we've lived through?

I'm tired of it. I know the American people are.

I think they are tired of it. And moreover, I think they're finding their voice and their own political power in recognizing that we're not marginalized minority.

We are actually in the majority. People are people are aware that that is the case now.

And I think for a long time, we were convinced that an American worldview was actually a marginalized minority.

But I want to back up a minute because a defining feature of the left social justice movement here is a narcissistic focus.

It's this whole, the virtue signal as a goal of its own, not necessarily the cause itself, but the fact that a virtue signal.

And because that's a feature, that's a defining feature. And I think the reason for it is that the Democrat Party, the whole leftist movement,

and Jettison God, from not only its platform, but from God's rightful place as a beacon in God we trust,

as a beacon for right and wrong and moral guardrails here.

So what they end up with then is a really pathetic delusion of themselves as heroes.

And so the focus is constantly on a grandizing self.

And in socialism or communism, they need you to become a God unto yourself to begin with.

But then if I'm against to the point where government is your God.

And I think there's a lot of evidence of that that everybody is looking to the government right now to solve all problems regardless of what they are.

And I talk about this quite a bit. You look at Western North Carolina after Helene, you look at the fires in Los Angeles,

and everybody starts screaming about FEMA. And I think well, you know, 50 or 60 years ago nobody would even talk about FEMA.

We would look to each other in the community and our local government to build things back.

But now we automatically look to FEMA. We look to the federal government. And I think that is an indication of how far we had gone down that road to socialism.

I think I think it totally is. And you look at how how they did in the Carolinas where they literally did start rebuilding their own roads.

They started rebuilding their own communities and everything. And people were holding this up as always in this awful that they have to do this on their own.

And yet what we should be doing is saying, isn't it wonderful that we are still capable of that despite of it all.

The Amish, even the Amish came in and we're building houses for people to Western North Carolina. And it was great to see.

And I don't know why we don't celebrate that more. I don't know why we depend on the federal government so much and blame everything on FEMA.

And as I remember back, it really, to me, started with Katrina when George Bush didn't go and visit there directly after the flood happened.

And then everybody started screaming about FEMA and they brought the FEMA trailers down there. And ever since then, every time there's a hurricane, everybody expects the president to show up wherever the hurricane or the storm was or the damage.

And everybody starts screaming about FEMA. But really, it hasn't been that long ago. That was 20 years ago, a little bit less than 20 years ago.

Real quick, let's get into a conversation about the intersectionality because I think that your article kind of addresses that in a way, but a lot of people aren't real clear on exactly what that is.

And I try to explain it, you know, if you look at the LGBTQIA plus plus plus, whatever that is, and ask now, I guess in spirit, you can identify as that group.

Those groups are used to put people in boxes of oppression. And I say this quite a bit, a lesbian has nothing to do with a gay man individually, a lesbian likes a vagina, a gay man likes a penis.

So as individuals, they have absolutely nothing in common. But when you put them together in a box and tell them that they are oppressed and their rights are oppressed as a group, which is the opposite of the Constitution, then that is what causes division. And you carry that on with gender and trans.

And sexuality, all of those different boxes. And then you have what it takes to create socialism in a country.

There you go. And when we can cause people to say that the government or some other authority, whether it's even if it's an employer or whatever, we want to yield our ability to earn something by merit.

And we want to yield that to this authority figure of some kind, who is tasked with creating statistical parity among competing factions.

When we do that, we're yielding all of our personal power, aren't we?

So that's the problem with that. And so how does a psychiatric disorder suddenly append itself to the day in lesbian and by thing?

Those things are sexual preferences or orientations. And this other thing is basically a psychiatric disorder that features chronic body opposition. So how could they possibly have anything to do with one another?

Well, that's a political construct. That's all it is. It's a political construct.

Yeah, and it's done by design. So that we are divided. And the more that we fall into those traps, whatever it is, maybe just fighting against it also adds to the division that is needed to create socialism and eventually communism.

I think we should identify those things, understand those things so that we don't really just help their cause because a lot of times I believe we do.

Well, I think that one of the reasons we need one of the things that we really need to recognize is that the formulation of this whole trans identity thing.

That was a powerful to her for the Marxist movement because it causes people to deny their eyes and ears.

But if you can if you can tell people, even young preschoolers that they don't know a male from a female, really young kids, we're born with an innate ability to make these distinctions because we're social animals, right?

But if we can cause kids by bringing them to gay show or what are you calling the tram? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.

Trans rights. Yeah, trans rights. But if we can bring them to these cross dresser shows, drag shows, drag shows, drag queen story time.

That's designed specifically to confuse a child's innate ability to discern man from woman, you know, a bearded lady is is a purposely confusing thing.

So that's that's what we're trying to do with those those drag shows is to confuse and can found a child's emerging ability to discern male from female.

Well, why do they want that? The reason they want that is that when there is no objective reality when we can no longer trust our eyes and our ears, then who do we look for to tell us what is real?

Well, the people in charge, whoever's the authority figure. So once again, it's to disempower the individual in their own trust in order to convey power to the authority figure.

When you look at it like that, it becomes very clear what the play has been recently. But I think it's really important to understand and have that vision and the discernment to understand what the play is.

And that's one reason why I talk about it. I know that's one reason why you write about it frequently another part of your story had to do with the story in Colorado, which happens to be where you live about a thriving successful 16 year old honor student who was groomed by a lesbian couple.

Exactly.

Well, a lesbian teacher. Okay. That was that was amazing. That happened actually, Booker at the Columbine High School. Yeah. So yes, that Columbine.

What year was Columbine? Was that 93? 93 or 94 I think, but I think it was 94 actually.

Yeah, it's been been 30 plus years ago. It's hard to believe that. But this again, this is another one that happens there at Columbine in Littleton, Colorado.

There you go. And this is horrific and that what makes this so horrific is not that sexual predators exist among lesbians. Of course, the sexual predators exist probably among every human population, which is horrible, but true.

What's horrible about this is that the whole system bent itself to favor the lesbian who was doing the grooming.

That's what that's what's horrible. The other faculty members cooperated with it and the administration of the school helped this woman designate the girl as a homeless as homeless so that she could be moved in with the teacher.

And this girl was literally thriving. She had a better than a 4.0 because she was taking honors classes. She was a student athlete.

I mean, this was a thriving child who came from a good, solid, supportive family. So the other horrifying thing about this story, Booker, is that we all want to believe that they go after the vulnerable ones, the loners, the losers, the kids that are abused

and rejected in some way. And that sort of thing. And gee, my kid's not that kid. So so I'm safe. Well, no, actually this story proves that that's not the case. This girl was literally plucked from among the really the elite, the athletes, the good, good grades.

And while those loners may be low hanging fruit for predators of many kind, it's not just them. And I think that's the point that you're making. I think it's a really good point.

When you look at Columbia universities and all these other universities that had all the protests in support of the Hamas G hottest back in October, November, 2023, that went into the spring semester.

You had Columbia University, which we found out that our government gives about $1.4 billion a year to. And now we see that Donald Trump is pulling back $400 million from Columbia.

To me, that's pretty good news. And I hope the universities and colleges because so much of our problem really comes from academia. I hope they're getting the message here. And we'll start changing.

Well, and I hope parents are getting the message because when we stop sending students there, yes, of course the money coming from the government enriches the schools.

But I'll tell you what the support and the envy among parents for placing their kids there and the sending students there, that's the real political wind that is granted these these really sick and twisted universities.

That political wind is coming from families who send their children there and we need to stop doing that. That's what will really disempower this movement.

That reminds me of the case. I don't remember how many years it was now. It's been a while. But of the guy that was getting falsifying all the records at USC and for all of the Hollywood parents.

Because you remember that. Yeah, there was so much pressure to get kids into these schools. They weren't qualified. But he would he would falsify everything and they would get in there.

And that's a whole other thing because hopefully to somewhere along the way with Donald Trump in the next four years, he will make vocations be important. Maybe we can make vocations great in America again.

That was the big that was the big lie for decades now. The big lie has been you have to have a four year degree at minimum in order to succeed.

And yet so many of us are living a life that makes that a lie. I mean, it proves that that's not true.

That's correct. Yeah. And it's been it has been sold to the parents and to the kids and then that puts additional pressure on them to get into the school.

That everybody else is getting into. They're going to get out in four years. They're going to have $100,000 in debt and they're going to make $40,000 a year being a social worker because no one ever taught them return on investment.

Exactly. Exactly. Well, and plus it empowers the schools. Yes.

Because if the schools are that much in demand, then of course, they're not accountable to parents or to students or to anybody.

So they can go ahead and propagate their their ideology without without any fear at all.

Trisha, thank you so much for joining me tonight. And you need to come back more often. I always enjoy our conversations.

You're a very smart person. I appreciate the work that you do. And for those of you listening, go to America out loud.

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News. I'm sure she probably has some new stuff coming probably coming up this week after being on vacation for a while. But Trisha, thank you so much.

Thank you. We pray for rain. Thank you when it's falling because it brings a grain in a little bit of money.

We put it back in the plate. I guess it's why they call it God's country.

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I'm Booker Scott. We are going to have a conversation now that is a little bit different.

I think when you talk about COVID, there was vaccines that injured people and killed people and I've done shows on that before.

But I don't think I've ever done one quite like this.

I'm going to invite into the program now, Leslie Bats, Leslie.

Come on into the program and let's start telling your story and it's one of sadness.

And now we see that you are actually doing something with that sadness, putting it to work to try to make a difference in this country and in a state.

And that's really what it's all about when you're tossed with something like this in your life.

That's all you can do. But Leslie, welcome to the program.

Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

Let's go back to when all this started for you, your motivation for doing what you're doing.

Right now she is trying to get legislation passed in Oklahoma trying to get a build on and that's the way things work in this country.

But what took her there is what happened during COVID with her husband.

She lost her husband. So let's start there and you tell that story.

Yes, sir. Back in late September of 2021, my husband went out of town for work.

When he came home, he started having symptoms of COVID.

We both got sick, but he seemed to take it a little harder, I guess, than my son and I.

And it got to the point where we were, it was pretty obvious he needed to see a doctor.

And because we were in rural part of Oklahoma, there weren't a lot of, you know, urgent care centers or critical.

Air centers that weren't hospital affiliated.

So we went ahead and took into emergency room and I expected in to get some oxygen and a breathing treatment, maybe some medications and send him home.

Instead, I received a phone call from one of the nurses saying that he was being transferred to a level three ICU about an hour away.

And it didn't really make a whole lot of sense because he had walked into the hospital, you know, he wasn't, he'd gotten up, gotten dressed.

He wasn't in any acute distress.

And it happened that fast just a few hours.

Well, yeah, he, I mean, he just wasn't in my experience with respiratory illness.

He wasn't bad. He just seemed to not be oxygenating well.

He wasn't short of breath. He wasn't cyanotic or, you know, lips blue or anything like that.

He just had a low oxygen saturation.

And you had a little experience in respiratory because I think your mom, is it your mother that had that as well?

Yeah, she had respiratory failure and I took care of her for three years.

So I had seen, you know, what happens when you put a patient on a ventilator and what it looks like when someone's in acute distress from, from breathing problems.

So none of that was the case.

I wasn't expecting to get that phone call saying he was going to be transferred.

But they did.

And they actually care-flighted him by helicopter.

And I asked, why are you sending him by helicopter?

Their explanation was that if he decompensates, it's an hour drive by ambulance.

So they didn't want to try to intubate him in an ambulance.

I said, well, he's one, he's not anywhere near even considering a ventilator.

And two, he refused.

He said, I do not do not let them put me on event under any circumstances.

Those were my last instructions from him when he got out of the vehicle.

So I said, well, he's not going to be put on event.

He's already made that clear.

And I don't know why you're transferring him.

But if he agrees, then, you know, I'm not going to dispute it if he feels it's necessary.

So as he's being transported, I go ahead and I call the hospital where he's.

They're moving him to and I contact the ICU unit.

And I explained to the nurse there as he's coming through the doors on the gurney.

That it needs to be placed on his medical record that he is a DNI or do not intubate.

And she said, okay, sure, we'll do that.

And everything seemed to be okay the first night.

I'm getting text messages from him.

That the helicopter ride was just the coolest thing and he was joking around with those guys.

And he was stable and there weren't any problems.

And when they get him into the room, he settles down for the night.

I said, okay, well, we'll talk in the morning the next day on the 10th of October.

Everything seems to be going pretty well.

You know, he's getting oxygen.

He's feeling good. We're talking there.

He's doing him a albuterol treatment.

And I don't think much of it.

So we got a bed that night.

Get up the next morning.

He doesn't answer his phone on the 11th.

Now he's a very early riser.

He was always up at four o'clock in the morning.

And so it was odd for him not to respond.

And I contacted the nurses at the desk and they said that they had to give him a little something for anxiety.

And I said, well, was it an out of hand?

Because I know that's what they used to give my mother when she was having problems.

And they said, oh, yeah, that's, that's what we had to give him.

Which is a pill, you know, no problem.

And by 1130, I still hadn't heard from him.

So I'm starting to get concerned.

Finally, I receive a text message from him at about noon that says they won't stop asking me about intubation.

And I'm starting to lose my cool.

Jimmy, he was getting really upset that they were harassing him.

That was the last communication I received from my husband.

Right at the time that that text message came through, I received a phone call that.

That when I answered, all I heard was, is this miss bad?

So I said, yes.

And he said, well,

I hope you're vaccinated because your husband's fixing to go on a ventilator for a month.

He's going to be in respin rehab for a year if he survives.

And you need to be alive to take care of him.

Who is this?

And he said, well, this is the doctor that's treating your husband.

I said, not with that attitude.

You're fired.

And first of all, he's already stated he's not going to go on a ventilator.

Second of all,

I don't know what is happening there.

But if you're giving him problems about this,

then we have bigger issues.

Because again, at the same time,

I've gotten this text message from him saying that they're harassing him about it.

So we hang up with the doctor and I start calling the hospital administrator

and the patient care advocate and everybody.

I said, why are you harassing him about this?

I said, anxiety is going to exacerbate the problem if he has one.

And he's already given you the information that he's not going to be intubated.

It's supposed to be documented on his medical record.

That he's a DNI.

Why are we still talking about this?

I get no phone calls back from anyone at the hospital.

And I continue to try to reach out to him.

And he doesn't answer his phone anymore.

He's not responding to text messages.

And I'm getting very, very concerned.

So I contacted the nurse's station and their explanation to me was,

he's eating his dinner and he's watching TV.

He just doesn't want to speak to you anymore.

He's refusing to talk to you.

You didn't buy that at all did you?

I had no idea.

Because he's not answering his phone.

I have no way to contact him now.

I said, OK, I'm coming to the hospital.

I'm coming to get him.

And I was told, if you come to the hospital, you'll be arrested.

So I'm, you know, I have an eight-year-old son at the time.

We have no family there.

And I now I have to make a choice.

Do I go to jail or, and my son ends up in foster care?

Or do I hope that my husband can kind of take care of himself

and things go a little more smoothly if I can get a hold of someone in the administration?

I don't hear from him at all the next day.

And at about one o'clock in the afternoon, I get a phone call from the doctor.

Again, the nurses are telling me he just doesn't want to speak to you.

I get a phone call from the doctor saying that my husband has now given consent to intubation

and they want my consent.

And the first part of the conversation didn't go well.

To say the least, I explained to the doctor that again,

it's supposed to be on his chart that he's a DNI.

If he has given consent, then they don't need my consent.

Is this the same doctor that called you the first time that you said you're fired?

Or is this the same doctor?

Same doctor.

And I asked him.

I asked him.

I said, you know, if he's giving consent, there will be a consent form on the chart

and you don't need my consent.

I said, and why are you treating him anyway?

You know, I told you you were fired.

Yeah.

And he said, well, I'm the only doctor here that can take care of your husband.

So if you fire me, we have a real problem.

And I said, well, then I'm going to find another hospital

and he then threatened, well, I say threatened.

It became the conversation with if you try to transfer him out of this hospital

without a medical order, then you're going to have to pay for it out of pocket.

Insurance won't cover it.

And I said, then I'll come get him.

And he said, again, you'll be arrested.

So now my husband is no longer a patient in the hospital.

He's a prisoner.

Yeah, he's a prisoner.

And you know, sometimes I think, Leslie, we forget how tyrannical things had gotten back then.

It's good to hear the story, but please keep going.

Tell it.

So at that point, I said, well, I haven't spoken to my husband in over 24 hours.

I'm being told he's refusing to speak to me.

I said, I'm going to call his phone with a video call and somebody better pick up.

And I immediately hung up with the doctor called on video.

And I could see my husband.

He's at this point wearing a bypass mask, which is like a full face where they force air into.

Yeah.

I don't know if you're familiar with the CPAP, but it's basically a full face CPAP.

Sure.

So instead of just the nose, it covers the nose and the mouth.

So I can't understand him.

And he looks.

I put it mildly perturbed.

But again, I can't understand what he's saying.

I can't see his hands.

And the phone is far enough away that he's obviously not the one holding it.

The video call lasts for 31 seconds and then it's disconnected.

And immediately the doctor calls back and says, do we have your consent to intubate?

I said, no.

I said, he's clearly breathing.

And my instructions from him work, do not let them put me on event.

I said, so no, you don't have my consent.

And why are you asking for my consent if he's given his?

So that conversation again doesn't go well for about 15 minutes.

Let me jump in here real quick.

Because maybe some people forget that there were a lot of people dying on ventilators.

If you went on a ventilator, it usually was not a good thing.

Most of the people that I know of that went on them, they died.

And at the very beginning, typically what they did was they put you on remdesivir.

And then they put you on the vent.

And the combination of both of those things, it was killing people.

And I don't necessarily blame medical and doctors because it was a new thing.

COVID was new.

They didn't really know how to treat it.

But they were treating it wrong at the time.

And my husband knew enough to know that do not do that.

And you knew that too.

I was the same way.

My oxygen got down to 82.

My doctor said, go to the hospital.

I said, there's no chance.

I asked the doctor.

I said, can I ask you, have you had any patients that stayed home?

And she said, yes.

Did any of them die?

She said, no.

And I said, what about the hospital?

Have you had patients go to the hospital?

Yes.

Have any of them died?

Yes.

I said, I'll stay home.

So I chose to stay home instead of having to go through that when I had COVID.

At about the same time back in 2021.

But I think it's important to understand that both of you knew that if you are on the ventilator,

your odds of passing away went up greatly.

And he knew that, didn't want to do it.

And now you're going to keep telling the story.

Yes.

Yes.

And we did know that.

But we assumed we're in a small community.

And they're not going to do that here.

Right?

You have rights.

If you don't want to go be admitted, then you don't have to be admitted.

If you don't want to stay in a hospital, you don't have to stay in a hospital.

If you don't want to be put on the ventilator, you don't have to be put on a ventilator.

That was our mistake.

That was our assumption.

Yeah.

So what I learned after the fact, after he passed, I went and got his medical records.

And I wouldn't have known anything about what really happened because I wasn't getting the information from the nurses and the doctors.

Now you skipped a head to when he passed.

How long was he in the hospital before that happened?

He was on, he was in the hospital for just under 10 full days.

He walked into the hospital and was dead 10 days later.

And from the moment of that video call to the time that he passed away, how many days was that?

That was, they ventilated him on the 12th and he passed on the afternoon of the 20th almost exactly.

Okay.

So they went ahead and ventilated him.

They did against your wishes and against his.

Yep.

Absolutely.

So at the time, you know, I get the phone call back saying, well, he's on a vet now.

No other explanation.

I mean, like I said, I have no idea what happened between the time that they put him on the vet and and the time that, you know, I get the call back.

But as it turns out, so he was ventilated on the 12th of October.

On the 14th, because I'm still raising cane, I have everybody in my family on both sides, his family, my family, trying to get him out of that hospital.

I mean, I don't think anything doesn't feel right.

Right.

It's just this, you know, nagging feeling in my gut that there's something wrong.

Did you go to Oklahoma City?

Was it Oklahoma City?

This wasn't close up.

Tulsa.

Okay.

Yeah.

I figured it had to be one of one of those two.

Yeah.

We actually live right.

It's like smack dab between Oklahoma City and Tulsa right off of I-44.

So they ended up sending him to another hospital in their system.

They were in a small area, but in the major, in the bigger cities.

So at this point, I'm, like I said, I am creating as much trouble for this hospital as I possibly can, trying to find out what is happening and trying to get him out of there.

Because again, there's just nagging feeling something's not right.

And to, I guess, to placate me, the doctor finally calls and said, would you like to come visit your husband?

I don't have ventilator at this point.

And all of a sudden, in a matter of two days, they went from you'll be arrested to, oh, come on in.

Which made no sense to me, but I wasn't going to dispute it because this was my opportunity to see him and find out what was going on.

So when I get into the hospital on the 14th, he looks like he's been in a bar fight.

His face is pretty, you know, scraped up is that there's literally skin hanging off of his nose.

And I asked the nurse, I said, what is this about? She says, oh, well, intubation can be a pretty violent procedure.

And I said, no, no, it can't not when it's done properly.

My mother had been on a ventilator a dozen times, probably.

And I had never seen her look like she had been in a bar fight.

You think he fought against them? I know he did.

Yeah, I know he did. I know he did.

I literally, I believe, was fighting for his life, trying to get out or get away.

So things were pretty stable on the ventilator until the night of the 16th.

And then when I came in on the 17th, because I don't know, you know, I'm told I have to leave.

I get like two hours to visit. And then I'm told I have to leave. So I came in on the 17th.

And now he's on what's called a roto prone bed, which is basically he's fully in taste in this framework that literally turns him back and forth.

You know, so the nurses don't have to come in and turn him.

And he's laying face down in this machinery.

Because they said if they turn him over, he's going to drown basically.

Yeah, long to fill.

Yeah. And I get no explanation why he's on the roto prone now.

But the doctor comes in and asks me to sign a do not resuscitate order.

And I said, no.

He's coming home. There's no doubt in my mind my husband is going to recover and come home.

But there's no reason he shouldn't recover and come home.

You know, I almost would ask that doctor, what does it matter what I sign?

You're going to do whatever you want to anyway.

But I didn't know at the time because I had not spoken with my husband.

I didn't know what he agreed to and what he hadn't.

Yeah, I got you.

So I didn't know I couldn't guarantee in my heart that he hadn't agreed to this ventilator.

I just know he told me not to agree to it.

And I was going to stand by that because that was the last information I had.

So on the 17th, the doctor starts asking me to sign this do not resuscitate order.

And I said, absolutely not.

You will do everything you can to save his life under any circumstances.

And his explanation is, well, he's on this roto prone bed now.

And it's going to take us about 10 minutes to get him out to even start resuscitation efforts.

So it's better for him if we don't even try.

I said, yeah, no, I'm not doing that.

Hey, Leslie, do you have a few more minutes?

Sure.

Okay, because we're up against the break.

We're going to take one.

But we were going to continue this conversation.

I find it very interesting.

It's riveting, in fact.

But she's going to take it somewhere.

She's going to do some good with this terrible story.

And we're going to get to that in just a minute.

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Coming up tonight at nine o'clock.

It is after dark with Robin Andrew before that, the National Security Hour.

And coming up here in just a few minutes, it is unleashed the political news hour.

We're visiting with Leslie Bats.

She is telling the story of her husband during COVID and how he passed away

and how the hospital and the doctors and the medical staffs at the hospital treated him.

And let's pick up the story right where we took a break there before the commercials.

Yes, sir.

So as I said, at this point, he's on the road of prone bed.

They're trying to get me to sign the DNR. I refuse.

And what I found out later in the medical records was that the doctor on the 16th late that evening or that afternoon,

apparently he had woken up and extubated himself, pulled the tube out and they had re-intubated him,

which was the necessity for being on this road of prone bed, was because they induced what's called a new,

momentous sign of which is a ventilator lung injury.

They had literally blown as lungs out and torn his trachea.

And I didn't know any of this.

This is why they were trying to push the idea of the DNR because there wasn't much they could do anymore.

And what I found out also was that they had, the doctor had ordered an overdose.

And they had medicated until he literally had no brain activity.

What did he order for an overdose?

He ordered what's called a RAS negative five sedation goal, which should never be a sedation goal.

It's a heavy, heavy sedation for someone on a ventilator.

But what ended up happening is, is they ordered him at about 250 micrograms, fentanyl, an hour, 25 milligrams of medazolam,

1.5 milligrams of presidex per kilogram of body weight per hour.

And the propofol, medat, or nimbex, and rocuronium, which is a paralytic.

And then at one point, somebody finally realized that they had literally overdosed and Philly had no brain activity.

They backed off on some of the medications a little bit and his brain activity was extremely erratic from that point.

I think there was a brain injury that had occurred as a result of that.

And again, as you know, as I stated on the 20th, he passed away.

But since, like I said, since then, after having received, and I didn't know any of this, none of this was told to me, none of it.

When did you get the medical records?

One day after he passed, I finally received a death certificate, and I was able to go request the medical records.

And what I found in the medical records was, oh, I mean, it was a horror movie.

You wouldn't believe it.

And the things that happened were so unbelievable, but not because they weren't true.

It's because no sane person would believe that something like this could happen in a hospital.

Hospitals, you go to to heal and help.

But it was all in the records. It was all there.

I only went to go get the medical records because I needed to know that he had given consent for that ventilator.

That was so purpose for me going and getting the medical records.

I wanted to see that consent form.

What did you find?

No consent form.

Not only no consent form, but none of the documentation for his admission was signed.

There was no authorization for treatment at all.

They had forged my authorization.

And I went back and I looked at my phone records, and I said, I never spoke to anybody.

How did they witness that I was giving authorization at this day and this time when I didn't speak to anybody until a day later?

There was no consent form for the intubation.

As a matter of fact, when he sent me the text message about them harassing him about the intubation, he had refused to sign the consent forms and thrown the nurse out of his room.

And then they were signed medically necessary more than 24 hours later.

Without his signature.

No signature.

There was no signature for the transfer.

The transfer documents were forged.

Again, the authorization for treatment when he was admitted to the hospital was not signed by anyone.

There was nothing.

And it it shocks me to, you know, I kept trying to find I was trying to prove that this was was his wishes that this was what he had decided to do.

Because it didn't make any sense to me.

And what I found in the records was when he stopped communicating with me and didn't answer the phone on the morning of the 11th, it was because they had started sedating him.

It was they had started with press attacks and morphine sedating him.

And while they he was being sedated, I was being told he's just refusing to speak to you.

And you knew that wasn't true at the time because you knew your relationship and you also knew that he didn't want to go through any of this.

So he passes away and now it had to be terrible for you to have to deal with the passing of him.

And you also have a child.

You have a child together.

And so you're picking up the pieces and somewhere along the way you decide to pick yourself up and do something about it.

What is it that you want to do?

What is it that you are doing with a new bill in the state of Oklahoma?

What does it have to do with what are you trying to accomplish?

Well, what I found out over the last four years is this story was not unique as terrible as it sounds.

This happened thousands of times all over the country.

And we've, you know, as individuals have kind of found each other.

So I started moving forward saying, OK, what do we do about this?

Because at the federal level, there is what's called the prep act, which gave immunity to anyone who, you know, used any type of COVID countermeasure.

They got this broad sweeping blanket immunity.

So there was no recourse for any of us.

We all knew that these horrible horrible things had happened, but we couldn't file a lawsuit because no attorney would take it because they got immunity from the prep act.

Nobody would take complaints.

I went to try to file police reports.

They wouldn't accept the police reports.

It happened in a hospital.

Doctors don't break the law.

Basically was what I was told.

And this is criminal.

You know, so we've gone through a lot of different processes over the last four years.

But what I learned when I, I actually decided to go back to school and study law.

After all of this happened because I know this isn't right.

This should not be allowed to happen.

And we've got to be able to fight it.

But to fight it, you kind of have to be on the inside and have the know.

So I went back to school to study law.

And that gave me the resources to look up all of the case law and establish that if you're barred, procedurally barred from filing a claim, then your statute of limitations never starts.

And very recently there was a Oklahoma Supreme Court decision that said abuse, neglect, battery, failure to treat all of those things according to the Supreme Court of Oklahoma fall outside the liability protection.

That is offered by the prep act.

So these things are inexcusable and don't even qualify for prep act immunity.

Has that been challenged at the Supreme Court of the United States yet?

No.

Okay.

Do you anticipate that?

I would anticipate that.

That that would also happen.

I hope that it reaches that level and this can be established nationwide.

But for right now, it's only Oklahoma where the Supreme Court of Oklahoma has made this definitive ruling that these things do not qualify for liability immunity.

So all of that happened to your husband in the hospital.

You just went through the story.

What does that mean for you now that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma did that?

What that means is that we have a path forward.

Now we've tried to pursue criminal because this was never about money for anyone.

We've tried to pursue criminal charges.

We are now looking at we have attorneys that are willing to take the cases.

We're going to fight as many of these cases as we can in the courts in the civil courts.

We're going to establish the discovery that says, you know, this happened broadly across at least the state of Oklahoma for now.

We can establish that in court documents that this was not a singular event.

And then we can move forward to the federal level and say, whether it was intentional or incidental, the protections that you thought you were offering these folks actually led to harm.

And we can't allow this again, because it's not about, I mean, I can't bring my husband back.

But what I can do is I can make a safer place and a safer future for my son and for you and for everyone out there listening that doesn't have to fear going to the hospital and having your right to self determination stripped away and becoming that prisoner instead of the patient.

That's exactly what happened in this case.

And as you said, it happened thousands and thousands of times across this country.

We watched it. Sometimes I don't know that we remember it. It's sort of like a fog in some ways. And I'm sure it is to you as well.

You're also working on a new bill in Oklahoma. What is that about that bill is to codify into law.

What's already been established in the court that again, if that procedural bar is in place, that your statute of limitation is paused.

It's a tolling statute that says you didn't run out of time simply because the loss that you couldn't file a lawsuit.

So what this will do is open up the courts back up for for people that fall under the specific category of COVID diagnosis because COVID diagnosis was the only time that we were not allowed to file these lawsuits.

Because of this perceived protection by the prep act. And now that it has been defined that these particular things don't fall under that protection.

We have the ability to move forward with some of these claims in the civil court.

Go through those things again. You went through them a few minutes ago, but let's narrow down again exactly what those things are that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma says you still can go ahead and sue civilly over these things.

Go through that list again.

That's going to fall into categories like failure to treat. We have cases where someone went in for a heart attack and they were never treated for the heart attack.

But because they tested positive for COVID on admission, they received COVID treatment like the Remdesivir and ventilators and everything else.

But the underlying condition, whether it was heart attack, a stroke, a broken leg.

We have someone that went in with a broken leg that was never treated. The broken leg was never treated, but they got COVID treatment.

So failure to treat the underlying or the admitting condition is does not receive that liability shield.

Things like abuse and neglect.

Is that what your husband would fall under?

My husband would actually fall under battery.

Because it wasn't just having him intubated right because it wasn't just a lack of informed consent.

It was we actually refused the treatment and it was done anyway.

So that falls under and meets the criteria for the definition of battery, which was why we were trying to pursue criminal charges.

The abuse neglect battery failure to treat.

And I think that's going to pretty much cover the exceptions to the prep act.

How is your bill being received in the state legislature in Oklahoma?

The only one we have spoken to has been very supportive.

We have a lot of folks that have come out and said that they would be more than willing to co-author the bill and the house side.

The problem that we're facing right now is that it hasn't been put on the agenda for the Civil Judiciary Committee.

So on our Facebook, excuse me, on X, I'm working on putting out a call to action to have people actually reach out to the chair of the Civil Judiciary Committee and ask him to make sure it gets put on the agenda so that they can vote on it.

That's our big obstacle right now is getting it through that committee.

Once it makes it through that committee, and there's a chance that they don't even hear it, that they don't even put it on the agenda.

So we've got a really kind of push to make sure it gets on that schedule so that they can vote on it.

Because even the vice chair of the committee has been amazing and he said, I support you.

You have, you know, I will co-author if necessary, but it's up to the chair to make sure it gets on the schedule.

It's a fascinating story, but it's not unique.

Unfortunately, coming through COVID, there were so many stories like this.

And the interesting part about what you have done is you've taken it and made it your motivation.

And you're a great example of one person making a difference in this country.

You said it earlier in our conversation. You said, I want to make it better for our children for you.

And that's what it's all about in this country.

If more of us would really do what you're doing right now, this country would be in a lot better shape than it is.

I want to thank you for coming on the program tonight.

I also want to thank you for the work that you're doing.

You took a bad situation.

There is only one person.

You're still dealing with it, trying to get over it.

You're using God on America out loud.

And I think you're a great example for everybody in America.

Thank you so much, sir.

Thank you very much.