538: Brad Pitt's Phone Number

0:00I spent the morning dealing with an email chain back and forth and I'm just complaining a little bit so you can ignore me. But there's a sponsor that wants us to do something and I told them like, here's a thing I want to do and they were like, cool, sounds good. What about also this? And I said, no, this is the thing I want to do and they were like, cool. But the thing that we said, right? And I was like, no, here's what I want. And they were like, okay, cool. Email. Contract. Done. Remember the thing that we said we wanted you to do? We still want you to do that. And so like now we have a signed contract and they're trying to get me to show off a cool product. Like it's not like I'm just something I'm against or anything. It just doesn't fit with what I wanted to do in the first place and like the thing I've already started to do. And so now I'm and there's a language barrier and we're trying to go back and forth about figuring out how do we get this thing done and I've already been waiting like a month on them. That's kind of irritating. I know like sponsors are amazing.

1:01They pay for a lot of my life. So I'm not complaining about them. But I don't know that people who don't do sponsorships realize sometimes how much back and forth and how much like negotiation there is not even on price stuff like on their needs and their goals versus our needs and our goals. And so like my morning has been trying to email back and forth to China in this little window of time where everybody's awake. It's a restaurant. Anyway, I'm done. How are you guys? Great. I'm good. You know, all of China is in the same time zone and that blows my mind. I did not know that. Yeah. I'm making up numbers here. But like eight o'clock in the morning could be bright sunny for one person and completely dark for another person because it's China's fairly large. Yeah. A little bit. So is it intentionally not broken up into more time zones?

2:05Like what's the reason for it not to? It is. I looked it up a while ago and hopefully I am speaking facts. But they I think it was like agreed upon like everybody should be on the same in the same time zone for work stuff and communication stuff. And there's like here we might be three hours like I'm on the eastern side. So speaking to somebody in California, you know, I'll get emails in the evening or I will email somebody at 4 a.m. Their time type thing. Gotcha. Yeah. It says here on Wikipedia that the country spans five geographical time zones. That is, you know, they decided like you said to be on one, which is where Beijing would be. They chose that time zone as the whole country one. Huh. That's wild. Yeah. I know that. That's crazy. So that's even weird to think about because the people that I don't know where they are,

3:05but the people that I'm communicating with could be on one side of that or on the other side. So I mean, I guess it's all the same time. You know, it could be still really dark or light. And yeah, that's pretty wild. I just remember working with China. Everything was always 12 hours ahead. Unless it's daylight savings and then it's 11 or 13. So yeah, I'll take away an hour. I forget what. But from New York, you know, from our time zone, it's always exactly 12 hours. You could always count on at least the average of 12 hours. That's crazy. That's how. Well, what's going on with you guys? What do you have to? Above you, new button just worked. Yeah. I pressed the button. My foot switch is not working, but now my button is working. So anyway, what do you guys up to? What about doing? I just said you guys some pictures I'm working on, some cohort promotional stuff.

4:10Last year I made these apples and I just did them again. I just made eight new Apple awards for something that they give them away to, I think, to high school shop teachers. So I just made eight of those in the last few days. That was a fun gig, getting back into that head. And then looking, I made a whole bunch of them and I looked at the pictures I made last year just to make sure everything looked the same. And then I had to go back and make some adjustments. But it's really important. This is the important thing. To save your files for something you think you're never going to do again, just in case. And then I had a laser edge, the bases with the logo and my patrons saw this because I was nervous that I wasn't going to be able to figure the rotary out again because I've used this machine so many times in the rotary, the last time I used it was a year ago and it was fairly complicated to figure out because it was a glitch. And I worked with the glitch and I made an adjustments considering the glitch. Anyway, I saved the file that I made last year and I just implanted the new logo and the

5:10new branding right over the old logo and then turned off the layer with the old logo and it worked perfect. So I had no problems there. But they could say that I saved that file really more importantly for the parameter. It was not necessarily for the graphics in it. So that worked perfect. That was nice. And since MakerCamp is coming up, I wanted to get the woody. The wooden car that I built last year, I wanted to get that back in shape because it's sat outside most of the summer and the weather just destroyed it. And this is a funny thing in case you do fiberglass coating, if you do fiberglass coating, I did one fiberglass coating on the roof thinking that was enough to keep the rain out. And every time Robin, I went to start it, there would be water in the gas. I'm like, where is the water coming from? And Rob did an online search, found out that the gas tank we used is notorious for letting water in. And I was like, how can the water be getting in the gas tank? The roof is covered.

6:11And one day it happened to be raining pretty hard. And I was like, let me go look in the woody to see if the water was getting inside. And it was raining outside the car and it was raining just as hard inside the car. And that's when I took a close look at the fiberglass coating that I put on it. And it was millions of pinholes that I didn't, you couldn't see unless you took a real close up look. The fibers, they're the crisscross fibers. So like one out of every thousand has a pinhole because I only gave it one coat of epoxy. So those little fibers bridge the epoxy, the gooey epoxy, but not all of them. So that's when I realized, oh, every time it rains, it rains in the car too. And then the rain seeps through the floor and just sits on top of the gas tank and on top of the gas tank is this big plastic doughnut because it's like a, they call it a fuel cell. It's the going the trunk of a race car. And on top of that is the latch where you twist it open up and fill it. But we, we put in a filler spout with a welder so we didn't need that to just ignore it. So the water was sitting on top of the gas tank, slowly leaking into the gas tank.

7:14So it took the gas tank out, sealed the top, and then I got flex seal. For the first time in the last 50 years, I had a reason to use flex seal, which is the stuff we've been bombarded with on infomercials. So I got a bunch of jars, a bunch of cans of flex seal and paint at the roof. And I think it rained really. I got up in the middle of the night at about five in the morning. It was pouring right now. It's like, oh, this is a good test. I also never had back windows in it, which is right where the gas tank is. But I figured since the rain goes straight down and the windows are kind of perpendicular to the earth, it wouldn't matter. They would just go straight past the windows. I got the woody old sealed up. I repainted it. Some of the wood panels had stained over the year. So I just painted them a completely darker color, which makes it look better to be perfectly honest. And total boating at once, I'll total boat it twice, probably three times before. That's just covering it with the varnish. And I cleaned up the gas tank, cleaned it.

8:15I took apart the fuel pump to get all the water out of it. Long story short, it runs perfect now. And it looks a little bit more spiffier, which is nice. Nice. So at the death, that's just really Instagram stuff. And there's no video on that. And we're building another boat for MakerCamp. So I started working on what was called the Rice Lake Skiff. That's the last boat that I built in my videos on my channel. I had them all, so we put them all back together. And I've been adding planks to it. So if you come to MakerCamp, the boat's going to be partially built. You could jump in and add a plank of two or three. And that's going to be in the total boat booth. So I've been working on that. And what else? That's it. We put up an ad for Call Heart that went on my channel this week. You're just doing good. You know, when you do like a full, they edited it, by the way. It's like a full-on commercial. This sets the tone and the editing style for all videos moving forward, right, Jimmy? Never. No. It's a full-on.

9:16Hopefully they want to do this series because it was fun and a paid well. And it would be me and Derek going and visiting factories, which is just like, it's been done a hundred times, but it's fun when somebody pays you to do it. So we'll see. We did it. We visited a football goal post making factory that's about 70 miles from my house. And it's one of the comments that I can't believe there's a whole factory dedicated to making goal posts. And it really is true. They make goal posts. They make craneable dugouts for baseball teams. So they make the whole dugout. It's like the size of an 18-wheeler, maybe bigger, maybe smaller. And they crane it into a high school baseball field. You think about how many baseball football fields there are in every high school and every college? It's a fun industry to make these goal posts. And so we visited the factory to see how they do that. And they told me an interesting story.

10:17The goal posts have to be a certain width apart, but there's no standard for how high they are. And apparently there was a football game. We might have been paid manning as somebody complained. The football, the ball went right over the goal post. So it was a dispute whether it was in or out. And he said he demanded all the goal posts be five feet longer. And he demanded that they all be five feet longer, at least on that field. And the whole industry went with making 35 foot high, uprights versus the ones that are only 30 feet. And they were the only factory. Now I'm here in Echo. They were the only factory that had an oven for the, what is that? I always forget the name of the process. So you bake the paint on. What is that called? You bake the only factory that has a 30 or 40 foot oven to do

11:21powder coating. So they got all that work. Crazy. So they got to make all the, all the uprights, all the stadiums all over the whole world. Because they compared it or only had a 30 foot oven. Is that interesting? It might be worth getting another oven for some people. Yeah. Wow. And in the video, you see these big giant. They have four ovens going at any time. They put them in, they heat them, and then the other oven there. They're prepping them in. And so they're always like, they're going from the middle room where they prep them to the oven, or they pull them out, and they put them in that oven, and they pull them out, put them in that. It looks like they're like baking food, but they're baking these 40 foot long carts. And on each cart are all these uprights. Anyway, you got to go watch the video. It's only like four minutes long. I don't know why I sense so gravely today. As I could say, have you been yelling at people? No, I don't know why I sense so gravely today. Maybe I'm just the weather change. Here's a little, that's my story.

12:23Behind the scenes, I got up a second because there's a phone call that I wanted to take. And I was debating, do I take it or do I not take it? And so my Facebook page for Make Something has been demonetized for like a year and a half. And I cannot get an answer of why from Facebook on why it just says you broke terms of servers or violate, like something. And there was a company that was managing my Facebook page and that when this happened. And I think because they were taking my YouTube videos and they would chop them up and then they would post them. And then we would split the revenue from that. But I think it got posted from another country. And that is what happened. And if you've ever tried to get in contact with Facebook, it is nearly impossible.

13:24It's like trying to get Brad Pitt's phone number and call him. It's same level of difficulty. And so I recently got this and I saw somebody online like just delete all your old posts. It will take care of it. I did that. It's been a whole thing for a year and a half. And anyway, so the other day I got this notification on Facebook saying, hey, do you want somebody from Facebook to give you a call to talk about content strategy? And I'm like, yes, I do. Not about content strategy, but I want to see if they can fix my issue. So they called yesterday, but I missed the call. And they left a message. It was a real person. And I said, hey, this is a first comfort service basis. We may or may not call you back. Sorry. And so I saved the number. And then Jimmy was telling his go post story.

14:26It said meta on my phone. And I was like, do I? Yeah, do I disrupt the podcast? So I can fix my and I was like, yeah, I'm going to take it. And then I answered and then I heard him hang up. And I was like, son of a gun. I hate Facebook. I like I just hate Facebook so much. Yeah, that's annoying. So I had the same issue of who does my clips on Facebook. And somehow they posted several weapons in a row. What would proceed is weapons tools. And even if you make a knife, they call it a weapon in the algorithm or in the AI. And so my million plus subscriber page got demonetized. And they worked for months trying to figure it out. And then someone said, just start another page. So I'd move. They just started another clip page for me. So that's the clip page that people most often comment on. And then they put up like five videos a day. And they put up so many videos that I go back so far.

15:29Even last night I opened Facebook. I always go look and see what I can buy that I don't need. So I'm looking and then I go, I always go to the main page first. And a lot of the time my videos is showing my clip, my clip channels are always showing on the first page. And I'm like, what am I, is this me? I'm like, oh, yeah, this is me. What, what am I making? What I don't remember what I did next. I don't even know what this is. I have caught myself watching clips of myself from a long time ago. That's funny. I forgot. And I know what am I making? And then I'm like, I got to do things like this more often. I'm like, oh, I like this guy's video strategy. I'm like, wait a minute, that's it. And that's when I hear from friends and relatives. I always could tell who's not really hip, because they'll be like, yo, I love that. How many of you made yesterday? I'm like, I made that 15 years ago. Yeah. Like, they don't realize they're watching clips. But that's how they, that's how they saw my clip. I'm just starting to get some money. I'm getting to put it in perspective.

16:30And I don't, I'm not trying to brag or anything. But if you get into the flow, you could make 10 or 15,000 dollars a month on Facebook. At least that's what I was making. And it's insane. But you know, you get it two months in a row. And then the third month, you get a $50 check. And you're like, what happened? And they're like, oh, yeah, you've been demonetized. It's gonna be showed the pumpkin poker. It's like, what? It's like ridiculous. And then the whole year and a half goes by and then all of a sudden, well, then you start getting checks for like, you get direct deposits basically. You got a direct deposit for like $8. And the next month is like 15. And the next month is like 16. And these are the deposits you're getting coming from like 10 and 15,000 dollars deposit. And so it's a real kick in the, in the snots. You got to be, you really, you could see that money go, oh, that's nice. You can't be like, this is my new salary because it's not your new salary. You know, it's so sporadic. And then so a couple recently, this new channel, and that's been like three years to build

17:35back. And now I'm finally making like a couple thousand dollars a month on some of these clips. But to put it in perspective, I made as much as, and I'm not bragging. I'm just showing you how crazy it is. I made as much as $35,000 a month on Facebook stuff. What? That's insane. Just before the TV show started. And this is funny. I got to brag because I was moaning about how much the Netflix show was paying us. And it never was enough. And so this was five years ago, six years ago. So all the TV producers who were like, oh, Mr. YouTube, okay, we're going to make a real show, Mr. YouTube. And I remember I had just gotten a $35,000 deposit from Jelly smack. And I leaned over to one of the producers and I was like, you know, how, how tough you guys made the negotiations for the stupid TV show? Like, yeah, I go, hey, look, I go, this is today. This is for the last four weeks. And you know what I had to do for it? Nothing because they just go into my old library. I go, so I go to the TV businesses dying fast.

18:35And I was so happy to show him that deposit. You want to go to the morning? This just from Facebook. I'm like, yes. It's not, it doesn't count. All the ads I'm doing right now from YouTube. I was very, it was a very, very, what are you called, satisfying flex to the TV producer. It was like, oh, Mr. YouTube, Mr. YouTube. I'm like, yeah, see this. But that was it. That was the peak in the next month. It was like $8,000 in the next month was a thousand. And that was the end of it. And Jelly smack one out of business a couple months after that. Yeah, that whole thing fell apart. They just want to jump back really, really quickly to something you said because I think it's a really good video idea. Try to get Brad Pitt's phone number. Right? I don't know where the video would go, but I feel like that's something worth trying. Oh, man. Yeah, I have to contact our buddy Morley Kent.

19:36How do I turn this into a great story and great video? There you go. That do you want to figure it out for sure? Yeah. But just to put a button on, to put a button on what I was saying, I think this is just my gut feeling. I think Facebook realized five and six years ago how much money they were literally giving away to creators. And then somehow some way they just reeled it all in. And that's why Jelly smack who was a clip company, one out of business because they were making so much money. I can't imagine how much money I was making. I can't only imagine how much they were making from like 50 times larger than me. And I mean, I think we were all making a little bit of money at that point, but they literally just turned the spick it off. They just changed the rules and like that was it. So when you were making five, 10, 15 a month, they just literally said that's it. No one's making anything and they just shut it down. And then they slowly built it back up. And I never really got to my, I never got to those levels ever again on Facebook with the new clip company. But that's that. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's like one of the things that, you know, is obvious, but forgotten

20:39about with all of the stuff that we do for a living is that we are working on other people's platforms who have 100% control and the right to change how their platform works at any given time. So all of us have built businesses based on the rules that somebody else decided on. Excuse me. And at any point, they can see it's not beneficial to us to keep the rules the way they are. So we can change the rules. And we don't have much of a choice, but to go along with it, you know, and I mean, that's happened several times on YouTube over the years, you know, where they will change the monetization rules or the, yeah, man, my throat. Sorry. The view rules changed last week or two weeks ago, whatever it was. And I mean, it's unfortunate, but you just kind of have to roll with it. You can't really do a lot of different things. You're at their mercy. Mm-hmm. I don't know what's up with my throat. I apologize. So, yeah, I had the same deal with with jelly smack.

21:45And I don't think I ever made that kind of money, but it was good. And then all of a sudden, it was bad. And then we moved to VUVE. And it was good. And then it was bad. And then we moved to this other company. And it was just bad. Like they've never done anything. And so now we're looking for something else and we're moving. I don't know. But yeah, it's taking advantage of that kind of, it's not passive, but to us, it feels passive income because we're not, you know, hands on that process. To take advantage of that is something you kind of have to keep up with and find people who are keeping up with how meta is expecting things to happen and adjusting to it all the time, like the posting from inside the country versus out, you know, they have to keep track of that type of stuff. But yeah, it's a nice little extra income when it works and when not, it's not. By the way, that number that I said, that I said 35, I only got one time. And then the next check was like half that. And then from that, it was half that and then it was just one away. That was the peak only one time that the previous to that was like, you know, not so much,

22:49not so much less. But I was like, whoa, this is going to be great. You know, this was like boom, boom, boom, zero, boom, zero, zero, zero. Anyway, that's how it's been. There's all sorts of stuff like that in this industry that is like, it fluctuates a lot. And obviously there are like market reasons for that stuff, viewer habits, prices for putting things up and stuff. But at least from, you know, like we're consumers to a point, or I guess consumers, customers to a point with these services. And we're, we also have customers. And so it's kind of weird that we have to both try to market to and follow the marketing of these people. So for instance, we have these online courses that have been a huge part of my business for several years now, financially.

23:50And you know, used to be where I could sell them enough on my own based on what I was doing and videos and everything. And then that started to, you know, you saturate your market, the sales start to drop off. And then we go to ads. So then we're placing ads on Facebook for the courses to reach people that don't know who I am or don't know what the channel is or whatever. And that turned into for a really long time, great sales. It's just exposure to a totally different group of people. And they have all these tools to help you find new people constantly based on what they like and what they watch. And then that got saturated or started to fall off. And then you have to like pivot to, okay, maybe now it's Etsy or maybe it's now it's Google ads or it's YouTube ads or whatever. There's all these different options. And so you pivot your marketing money to another thing, hoping that there's an untapped market there. And it feels like those, it's like partially that you're, you're saturating a market

24:53but partially the rules are changing out from under you or the way that it's reaching out to these people. And again, you're on somebody else's platform. So it's not like they're doing anything wrong. They're just changing the way that they run their business. But as somebody who's trying to get people to buy things and somebody who's trying to find the most effective way to use my money for marketing, it's a, it's a way to do it. So weird like I'm trying to keep up constantly and you know, but we had ad sales stuff going for a really long time that worked super well. And I could see why people would invest money in that. And then all of a sudden it's just kind of dried up. You know, that ad sales stuff has become way less effective. So trying to pivot on that. But you have to, you have to have multiple streams of income. And if one stream is a really good number, you'd never know because it's so unpredictable. And you know, you know, PDF plans have just done well for me.

25:53PDF plans, the only thing that's like consistent over the years. And I have been really, really bad at making new ones over the last two years because of my kind of change on focus on more creative stuff. And so I'm like, why don't I kind of get a plan for this? This is, that's just too ridiculous. And so I got to, I'm trying to figure out other ways of income because it always feels like the end of YouTube is just right there for me. Like, even though it's not, things are looking good, things are okay. There's nothing to worry about yet. I still think about that. And I, that's probably how most business owners are because you're always having to look forward and you're having, you've got to be prepared and all that. But it's the, it's the side of the business a lot of people don't see. And sometimes it's stressful. Sometimes it's super fun. Sometimes it's, it's not so fun. Yeah, that's a, that's a good way to think about it.

26:55I've thought about how, you know, you said that you, the end of YouTube stuff is like right there. I feel like if, if my right hand is me, my left hand is the end of all things, the end of YouTube, I feel like these things are both moving in the same direction, but they're getting closer and then they spread apart and then they get closer and they spread apart. So it's not that there's this fixed point in the future where I'm going to be too old, too ugly, too whatever to do this anymore. It's just that how close, how much I'm willing to put up with and invest in to be able to continue to do it changes a little bit based on how it's doing and how creative I feel and all that stuff. But it is kind of weird. You see that, that endpoint ahead of you and you can decide to, I'm going to buckle down and make this work and then that endpoint moves further away from you because you're like investing in yourself and you're deciding to be creative and you're deciding to work harder or whatever.

27:56And then you get tired or you need to take a break and it feels like that endpoint just starts getting closer to you. Oh yeah. You're moving faster and it's a weird, I don't know. I guess other industries have that as well, like business, small business type people have that same struggle like you're talking about, but I don't really, I don't know how that looks for a dentist or for an insurance agent or something. You know what I mean? That it's got to be something. But after a week after the art show, I didn't do anything. There was absolutely nothing. I was planning on not working at all and it's funny not working for a week how it just feels like, well, that's over with because you're not contributing. You're not putting effort and energy towards something. It's like, yeah, we, I'm going to put my resume together. Yeah. Well, and you know, also because of where we are on YouTube and being business owners,

28:57we have, we are constantly bombarded with like all of the business gurus and the passive income people who are just like, well, you start this thing and then you start this thing and then you start this and you do all these things and they continue to bring in money while you pursue your new, whatever. And like theoretically, I get it and theoretically it sounds good, but the truth of that is that everything takes work, even passive things take work. Nothing easy. The illusion is that I can spend a month or an hour doing something that will continue to create money on its own and then I spend my next month or my next hour creating another thing that will make money on its own. And I don't, I don't know how realistic that really is, but so you know, the best situation would be you could take that week off that you're talking about and it's fine because all of these months and hours that you've created these other things are continuing to bring in money, but I don't know how, I don't know how that actually works.

29:58I haven't found my thing that can do its own, you know, its own income yet, but I was thinking about this the other day though I was thinking about not as a way out, but as a what else could life look like that was the thought process I was in. Thinking about jobs that don't require output that don't require production and I was trying to think of jobs not not necessarily for me, like, but just what types of jobs don't require are not based on producing a thing and there are jobs like that, you know, but it's just weird to think about, I guess because of what we've always done, I've always done for living in all my different ways. It's like I'm doing work to produce a thing that gets sold or gets shown or gets whatevered.

31:03I was thinking about like, you know, therapists or like people who pick up trash, they don't get paid based on how well they do at it necessarily, maybe that's the wrong way to say it. They get to do the thing on a regular basis and they make a living because they do the thing not because they picked up so much trash or because they've helped so many people. They just do that thing for a certain amount of time and maybe it's all the same, but I was just not getting paid for the performance. They're getting paid to do the task. I think is what you're trying to say. Yeah. Where if we just make videos about some stupid thing, eventually that performance just tanks and we make less money. The numbers mean a lot. Of course, like if you're a therapist or if you're a person that picks up trash, if you

32:07do a terrible job, you're not going to keep your job, but it's different. Yeah. Anyway, I've thought about that a little bit because eventually we are going to be too old for this. Some of us are getting closer than others. I still absolutely love doing it. It's all I think about and it's all I want to do to a point that it's not necessarily healthy, right? Because all of my focuses in this thing, you, Bob, have said many times, like my job is not my identity. And I think I believe you when you say that, that is that you are your husband, your father, your dude, right? And I think I am not quite that.

33:15I feel like my output is sort of my identity. And maybe it's because I don't have kids. But I like, I live for creating things. And I also really, really enjoy sharing that creation with other people and doing it. So I understand how lucky I am, but that's all I think about all the time. So it is part of my identity. One of the things, you know, you talk about investing in yourself is over the last couple of years, I have said, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to move away from like how to tutorials to, to board creative stuff. Maybe stuff that's a little harder to teach, but maybe it's just more inspirational. And that is, that is, there's two reasons for that. One is it's just more fun for me to make creative stuff and stay in, instead of like, oh, today

34:16we're going to make a sled for the table saw. It's, it's more fun for me to just push myself creatively. Another reason is I'm trying to get people to invest or I'm trying to get people to watch because they like watching David make stuff, not because of what David is making. And if I can get enough of those people to watch me because they like seeing my process or they, they enjoy what I do. I feel like I can take that beyond if, when YouTube bends, like I have this audience with me, they're going to follow me for the next thing or whatever. So I'm like, that's my way of investing in myself. And so I've been removing the branding. There's, I, it doesn't even say make something on my website anymore or my Instagram. My YouTube channel still says make something because if I, if I take away, if I change my YouTube channel name, I lose my little check mark, whatever, that means nothing, but, I lose that check mark. And then maybe there's a little bit of valedility.

35:20I don't, that's not a word, right? But, but you, you get it. I don't want to remove my, that, that piece of me. But I'm trying to like get people to hop on board the David Petrudo train. Hopefully, because they can see what I do and either get entertained or it motivates them to do creative stuff, especially in this world of AI, where AI is just, can be creative for you, which I hate it so much. My relationship with AI has completely changed over, over the last few months. I, I just want to throw up when I see an AI poster, anything. And I think what we do is going to be even more important moving along where people are using the AI for their creative stuff. When I think there's going to be a huge group of people who want to see things made by real people and, real hands and, and have real human thoughts.

36:24I just went on a huge tangent, but no, I think that's great stuff. I think one, you know, when you're talking about identity and, I don't think that those two things are the two things being, me not being like identified by my job. That's one. The other one would be you loving your job so much that it is part, you said quote, it's part of my identity. And I think those two things are not mutually exclusive. And so I mean, you said it's part of my identity, which I think is the truth and it's the truth for me as well. Me too. The point has always been that I just don't want to be wholly defined by my job, you know. And I don't think any of us are really. I think that's the choice you get to make on a daily basis. But I want to throw that out there because it doesn't have to be that you, you know, to be like well rounded or have a full life or whatever that does not mean that you can't

37:25be really super invested in your job and it seep into who you are and stuff like that. So I think that's the case for a lot of people, especially creative people. Sorry, the coffee again. So I just want to point that out because I don't want anybody listening to think that like you have to meter your excitement of your job to have a, you know what I mean? I mean to put words in your mouth too, but I, it's really obvious to me that you have the best intentions 100% of the time as far as being like a business, a content creator, a human and a family person. Like I, you are, I don't know, your intentions come through very well and I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but when you say something like if I paraphrase like, you

38:29know, my job is not who I am. I'm like, oh yeah. Well, I look up the Bob so much. Maybe I need to think that and then I put a little bit more thought into it. I'm like, yeah, but I really, my job is who I am. It is, you know, it's these little internal conflicts that I have. It's like, you see, you see somebody that you respect say something that doesn't quite vibe with what you think and then you start to turn your own little dials because you see somebody that you respect and like, maybe I should be like them and I do that quite a bit. I've thought, I've thought about this a little bit here and there over the years and it's a funny, a funny situation. So I remember there was a time in my life where I wanted like a fancy sports car and I didn't want a truck and I didn't really wanted to like push down that maker person inside of me. And at the time I bought a miss, this is 25 years ago, 30 years ago, I bought a Mercedes

39:33Benz and I bought it was expensive. So me and my brother shared it was a company car. And I remember they're going, I never want a truck. This is the life I want to leave. And then as I'm leaving, leading that life, I find myself putting wood in the back of the Mercedes and carrying an air conditioner and I was like, you know what? I, my, what I do is really my identity and I began to embrace that. It was just a moment in time. I don't know what it was. It was like this Euro trash happening in Manhattan. You know, it's like, yeah, you were going to say, you know what? Mercedes should make a truck. Sorry. Exactly. And then I, and then I kind of embraced the Chevy and, and started really getting into Chevy's, but it was, I remember having the realization of like, I really am this guy that just makes and carries stuff. Things and carry stuff. And if I ended up in a corporate job in an office, eventually they'll be a bandsaw in my office. Eventually, they'll be a table. So that happened. I started working at these toy companies. It's like this, like, corporate guy is like head of development in this one company.

40:35And before long, he's like, hey, can you, I'm like, well, I, instead of hiring a guy to do it, I could just do it myself. And then all of a sudden, I had a bandsaw in my office and the thing. And then they shoved me in this back area where I went from having like a proper office with a window to like the janitor room because I had tools. And that, and that just became my life. And then YouTube comes along and, and that's it. This is it. This is like how I've settled into. I'm this guy. This is my identity, my, my junk, my cars, my bandsaws, my things, my, my materials, my recycled junk. And I feel totally comfortable being this person. I think that's important is feeling comfortable with who you are. I'm totally happy who I am. I mean, to be perfectly honest, because I'm one of four siblings that does not have children, but I could totally see how having a family, you know, I have nieces and nephews and how that becomes a priority and not necessarily the identity of, you know, my brothers had

41:3850 different jobs. Who's my brother? I mean, he's, he's basically like a little bit of a corporate guy, a little bit of like what I do is a little bit of everything, but it, I can really see how having a family becomes your identity more than what you do. And beyond Rachel, I don't really have a family like, give me my own personal family with my mom and everybody and my brothers and sister. But I'm just a junk picker that puts things together and I'm totally okay with that. Well, and I mean, everybody is a, you know, nobody's one thing, right? Everybody is. And so, they're experiences, they're made of their interests, they're made of their, what surrounds them, you know, nobody is one thing. And so it's naive and maybe unfair to say that like what, what helps define one person to themselves has anything to do with how another person should define stuff to themselves. Right? Your perspective on who you should be is personal and unique because of where you are,

42:46what you're surrounded by, the situation and time in life you are. Because even for me, having a family, my kids depend on me a little bit right now, but it was a lot a few years ago. And in a couple of years, they won't depend on me at all. So even my own definition of where I spend my time and invest myself has changed and will continue to change as my kids continue to move out of the house and create their own lives and their own families. And so, you know, it's not like it's not like having a set of, this is how my life is and this is who I want to be today is the final statement. Like we are constantly refining ourselves. I would hope. I mean, I think that's good for us to refine what we care about, how we spend our time, what we invest ourselves in, what parts of us we decide to carry forward and what parts we let go. You know, like I, you were talking about the car and the truck.

43:47Like that's an interesting thing to look at in your life because you were like, I think I want to be this thing. And then you tried it. And then you decided, no, I need to refine that decision in myself about what it is I am and how that comes out of my life and a truck is the way that that happens. Yeah. And I mean, I'm the same thing. I've done the same thing with clothing my life. I never cared a lot about clothing, but the things that you decide to invest in and where carry around with you on a daily basis, they define something about you. And it's really about choices more than like, you know, I could wear nice shirts. I could wear things that cost more money, but I know they're going to get paint and glue on them. They're going to have holes in them because I went through that with when I had that Mercedes, the same thing I was buying Benadry public clothes all the time. Yeah. And every time I left the house, I looked good. It now I don't care at all. Like what I look like. Right. Which you find that that stuff is incompatible with the thing that you're trying to, you know, even if you want to look this way or you want to be presented this way,

44:48it's incompatible with another decision they're making and you have to decide which one of those is right now, which one of those is more important. Now it could be at a point where Jimmy gets too old. He retires and he's like, you know what I should do? Replace all my black t-shirts and camo hats with Banana Republic. And I would love to see that day because it'll probably happen where you're like, I'm not going to use the welder anymore. So now I can wear this like flowered shirt from Banana Republic. Is that still around? It was Banana Republic style. Didn't you go to the wall as quickly? We're being refined. I think we were refining ourselves constantly. And I think that's a good thing. I just want to throw that out there. Yeah. Anyway, we've talked for 45 minutes about nothing. That wasn't the topic. That was actually, that actually felt better. We wrote down at the beginning putting things off. And that came from something that you were talking about last week, Jimmy. You want to give us an update on your... Yes, yes, yes. In the after show last week I talked about the following day, which tomorrow would have been a week ago.

45:51I got a colonoscopy. So I talked about it on the after show when I was nervous about it. And the shame and all the BS that goes along with getting a colonoscopy. And I talked about, I'm 59. I'll be 60 in April. When I turned 40, I had a colonoscopy scheduled. At the time I was close friends with a doctor and we hung out all the time. And he had an association with a hospital. And he's like, let's just schedule for you. Because whatever. It was just paying on a credit card. It's so big deal. So we scheduled it. He wasn't going to do it. But he had it set up with some of his associates. And I was going through a breakup. And so I used that breakup as an excuse to avoid doing the colonoscopy, which was complete. And when I look back, it was a complete masquerade. I didn't want to do it. And so I didn't do it. So I canceled it. And now here it is 19 years later. And I did it. And I avoided it all this time. And I'm glad I did it. The doctor said there was nothing wrong. I did it. I was put under. I remember talking to the doctor.

46:51And I said, what's that? He goes, so this is the stuff that's going to put you under. And he like attaches it to my IV. I woke up an hour later. Completely absolutely had no idea unless pictures of me show up on the internet. I have no idea what happened. And that was that. And the doctor came in and he said, you're totally fine. He was give about another 20 minutes and you can get up and go home. And that was it. It was completely painless. And I found out, you know, this whole entire time. I have stage 4 calling cancer for like the last four years. You know, anytime I have like an issue in the bathroom or I can't pay, it's like, I said, I got stage 4 calling cancer. And sometimes part of us just doesn't want to know. You just don't want to know. It's just at least that's how, you know, I think most of us are that way. It's like, if you don't find out there's anything wrong, then there's nothing wrong. And anyway, that's, I avoided that for all these years. And I did it and I'm happy I did it. And you know, if me talking about this will encourage anybody, oh,

47:52I meant to talk about this last weekend. I'll talk about it. Very few people know who Tommy Matthews is. I met Tommy Matthews in 2019. We had a couple moments together about pets. I remember we were talking about pets in the two of us. We had a table with like 15 men. And he and I were holding hands across the table crying. I'm going to cry now. Talking about our pets. Because we had lost the pet or something. But Tommy got a cold and cancer. And he died. And he went on some podcasts and he talked about it. And he's like, just get checked. He goes out to embarrass to get checked. He goes out when I got checked. It was too late. And he died. He died in maybe 2021, 2021, 22. So if you guys know Tommy Matthews, he was a knife maker from Ohio. Sweet guy. We all got to be friends with him. You know, guys that hung out at the spring make event. And he was associated through Lincoln Electric. That's how we all met. And so that since Tommy died,

48:53it's always been heavy on my mind. And I just know I was going to cry if I talked to that. But anyway, so that's it. I put it off. And everything's fine. I didn't have to put it off. But you know, God forbid, I put it off all this time. And then there was something wrong. And I just always remember Tommy saying he goes, he goes, the pain and suffering I'm dealing with now is a lot worse than the embarrassment. I'm going to get in checked. And yeah, he went through so many surgeries. And he just kept it light. He just didn't complain. And he was on podcasts and stuff and we talked to Instagram. And anyway, he died at like 53, 52, 51, something like that. So that's it. I meant to say that last week, but we were on the after show. So now here it is. That's it. I'm done. Well, I'm really, really grateful that you did get checked and that there's nothing there.

49:55And I think there's, there's got to be some peace of mind in that and knowing that it's like, and without outing you two guys, you guys said it's no issue. You guys have been there. And I it's the first time for me. So yeah, that was it. Well, I haven't done it in a long time. I told my story of having one as a kid where I was completely awake for the entire thing. And oh boy, I was like, couldn't have done that. But that's when I was young. And I haven't had one lately, but you know, I'm turning 50 next year. So that's probably when I'll go get that taken care of. So for sure. Yeah, well, thank you for sharing that. But I think the reason you brought that up before we started recording was because we were talking about putting things off. And how, you know, there's, if there's something negative, a fear or a difficulty or something in a thing that you know you need to do, we'll find also, it's a reasons to put things off. And like any resources was make up excuses like you were talking about for

50:56not doing those things. And we've talked about this a million times in different contexts. For me, almost every time I continue to put something off, it balloons in my head. And every time I kick it down the road, it gets scarier or larger or more consuming or whatever. And then when I finally get myself in order and go do the thing, it's like, oh, that was easy. Why did I make that? I almost intentionally made that thing. Yeah, we're bigger than any of you. We've talked about this all the time. It's still an ongoing problem. I think most people deal with. Yeah. So, Senator, you can just like get something done and get it out of the way. The smaller it is, honestly. I mean, obviously, it's not going to be for like every situation. But for most things, if we're just afraid of something or apprehensive and we just put it off, it's just going to get worse in our minds only, you know. It's, um, it really does help with these things that you want to do.

51:59But maybe you're putting off. If you can write it down or put it in a, in a note that where you can visually see it, it, there's something magical about that where it takes away some of that weight that's, that's in your head. And you can, when you visually see a list of things that you want to do or have to do, you can prioritize and give a, a, a, a level of, of importance for, for each thing. So write things down more. And I say this all the time and I do write a lot of things down, but I still don't write enough things down. I keep way too many things in my head and it builds up that importance. Or even if it's just like a project that I want to make, I started this VCR. It's sitting on my floor and it's been here for six months now. But I started building this VCR where I was going to recase it. And then I'm like, oh, there's a complicated part. We have to stop filming us because I have to go and figure out that complicated part.

53:03And now that complicated part is so complicated and has so much importance. The whole thing is like, well, that's going to be my grand 5 million view video now, because it's going to be so good. So I have to wait until it's perfect. And I, you know, the longer I put it off, the more importance my brain builds. And I don't even know if the VCR is on my list of things that I want to make. I probably said, you know, I don't even have to write that down because I look at it on the floor every day. You know, write things down more. I think it's just what I'm trying to say. It helps clear some things from your head. I think it's also good. Maybe this is a different type of thing than writing stuff down. But for things like getting checked, the doctor, stuff you need to take care of for your own health and stuff, take advantage of the people around you that care about you. I think like we can hold each other accountable. And that's always kind of a scary word. It feels like somebody's going to like be over your shoulder like bothering you. But I think telling somebody that cares about you, hey, I really need to do this thing at some

54:08point. And I'm putting it off. Just remind me. Like that's a simple way to have somebody kind of, hey, have you done this thing? Yeah, no, you haven't. Oh wait, you told me to remind you some reminding you, you know, I think taking advantage of people's care, taking advantage is the wrong word. But you know what I mean, take, no, use the fact that we care about each other to help each other. You bring up a good point because I wouldn't have got that procedure if it wasn't for Rachel. I would have just avoided it forever. Which is like, you got to take care of yourself. You got to go get take care of yourself. So thank you Rachel. Yeah, for sure. Cool. Any other thoughts on this random stuff that we talked about today? Anyone? Anyone? Cool. Well, I'm going to think our Patreon supporters. Do you who you're going to be awesome? Huge thanks to everybody that supports the show over on Patreon. Thank you for making it possible for us to have random conversations about stuff that are novel we planned and really, really thankful for all of you, especially our top supporters because

55:13they go above and beyond. They do more than they need to and we're really grateful. That is a pretty big deal. Inc. Albers Woodworks, Brian and Nancy Make Stuff, Chad from Anchorafting, Chris McCormick at Hatchex, that at your self-di-i-wide gym, for Mazur Bees Master, have none. Nick Ryan, Odin Leathergood's Rich at Lowen Artinia Space Industries and works by Solo. That was one breath. And that didn't even run out of air. Huge thanks to everybody over there. Seriously, you guys mean a lot to us. Everybody at every level on Patreon gets the after show. Separate podcast feed and video after this show. It's usually, we talk about colonoscopies and we talk about all sorts of stuff, but that was last week. We tell funny stories and talk about secret stuff and upcoming stuff and all that. It's usually 15, 20 minutes more, you know, podcast. So if you want to get that, go to patreon.com slash making it. Sign up at any level and we would really appreciate the support. It means a lot. I don't have anything to recommend this week because I feel like I have not watched anything

56:16in a very long time. Not anything new. I watch like one guy do fish tanks. That's about all I watch on YouTube. So what do you guys have? Good day. So mine is this interview with Tyler the creator. The hip hop artist and you don't have to like hip hop or Tyler the creator at all to like get an insane amount of value out of this video. It's it was it's an interview with it was put on by a Instagram and then there's a room full of creatives in there and everybody has a question for him and and it is all about creativity and it is so freaking good. Like Tyler the creator, if if he did a motivational speech tour, I would go to it.

57:17I would go to that before I would go to one of his concerts. He is insanely creative. He's such an amazing perspective on things and has the best attitude and I am I'm going to watch it again is just so good. So it's the video is called Instagram presents ask it anyway Tyler the creator. It's an hour long and it's so good. Wow. Okay. Um, did I? Did I mention the elephant graveyard last week? Probably did. Did I? They weren't a graveyard shirt. Oh yeah, I'm wearing a charter street graveyard cemetery. This is where the Salem witches did not necessarily buried there but there's memorials for them there. Elephant graveyard put out his final video on the Joe Rogan universe and it's it's a worth the listen. It's pretty good. Talks about how all these the Rogan's fear comedians are all compromised and owned by all the

58:23rich and elite people and it's it's it's just creatively it's it's done very well. The way he makes videos and now it's got it's put out three days ago. It's already got four million views. So if you problem most of the people who send him may have already at least heard of it a little bit but his creative approach to editing even if you don't agree or disagree with what he's talking about his creative approach to editing I'm starting to see in other channels that I watch where he sent this direct camera it's this collage of editing and voiceover but done really well and there's always texture to it just it's an amazingly edited he's all of his videos are so well edited with so much texture and his voiceover and if you listen closely there's so many layers going on of like him narrating but at the same time watching his own video you hear him like opening up snacks and like popping drinks and stuff and it's really really well done like I said if you

59:24don't necessarily agree with this whole Rogan thing at least watch it for a lesson in editing really beautifully done and I there's this police accountability channel that I watch and since elephant graveyard has gotten so popular I can totally see the influence and I like the change he hasn't mentioned it at all but his videos open up and it just like listening to an elephant graveyard video but it's a positive influence but it is definitely an influence and it's funny to be able to pinpoint things from two different lanes that are never crossed and see how the influence is taken hold so that's it hmm so worth listening Dave if you haven't seen a guy see it I know it I think you would really appreciate the artistic integrity of the editing it's funny YouTube has been pushing this video on my on my homepage for whenever since it came out and I've

1:00:24just completely ignored it but now I I no longer can oh you've been saying it been suggesting I it's just been popping up like hey you should watch this and I've not clicked on it but now I have to you know it's good yeah it's yeah anyway when I get into that Rogan B.S it's really interesting all right right on well thanks for listening everybody and you we'll catch you next time stay healthy I love you bye guys stay healthy