623: It Would Kill Me, Slowly, Eventually

0:00From really this is connected episode 623 today shows brought to you by Squarespace and Century. I'm your keynote chairman Federico Viteci and I'm joined by my excellent American maid self-made man the annual chairman Stephen Hackett. Hello Stephen. Hello Federico. Hello. Hello. I am very caffeinated today because I didn't sleep a lot last night and so I overcompensated with a coffee and this is the result. Do you remember probably like 10 years ago on the show or 14 years ago on the show who knows who had done this a long time. We had like an intervention about how much espresso you were taking in. Oh man, it used to be bad. Yes. Yes. I on certain days I would approach like 10. It's not good. And now this was my fourth. So and this is like on most days I stop at three.

1:04So one third of what it used to be. Good. Yeah. Speaking of one third of what it used to be, we're also joined by Mike Hurley. Rough. Hey buddy. I don't even know what he means but that's so bad. That's like so mean. You're tired. You've been traveling. Yeah. You're back. Well how does that take two thirds away from me? I don't know. My spirit. Okay. I don't know. Hello. Uh-huh. You you have been traveling. That's because we just wrapped up relay for St. Jude. And I just want to say thank you. We raised seven hundred and fifty six thousand dollars this year. Mm-hmm. Third time third highest campaign we ever done which is absolutely incredible. Just squeaked in over the wire. We did get to get that third. We did. Well by like a thousand dollars over last year or so. A couple grand. Yeah. It's like point three percent I think. Yeah. If anything consistent. Very consistent which is really cool.

2:07We I was talking to our friends at Al Sac St. Jude's fundraising organization. Talking about them about that when we were there. I'd be like how a lot of campaigns especially like creator influencer campaigns like ours although we're not influencers. Maybe we are part of telling. Yeah you are. Yeah. We are. It's just a different thing. We just we just don't have big social media followings but we are influencers. It's true. I influence you to buy Mac per wheels on eBay. Just give Stephen a couple of months. In a couple of months he'll be saying that he's an influencer. Yeah. All vertical video. What's up fam? Hey guys. Hey guys. Hey guys. Hey guys I'm here of an iPod. This ten old Apple computers. The things you have no idea. You won't believe what happens next. See these floppy disks. My Apple 2 codfire. Oh that happened actually. That I actually did happen see. It did happen. You could make a video about that. It's at 10 minutes and twenty ten hours.

3:07Got ten minutes. Ten hours and twenty five minutes and the podcast on video you can go see complete. So it's pouring out of a very old computer. Complete meltdown but not planned. But I was talking to them about the consistency of our campaign and like that is a huge credit is all credit to the relay audience. And the community, the Apple community at large that that's that backs this every year. Since 2019 the community has given just shy of five point six million dollars to St. Jude. Let's go. I love the just shy because it means next time we have an easy goal to go for. Six million total. No no. Five point six. No. No one I was talking about. I'm talking about five point six. That's the goal. That's the goal. But I guess yeah, I actually that would say though right that we could go for six. Yeah, we are at I mean I can the actual amount. If you want it. Let me find my spreadsheet is five million five hundred and seventy five thousand seventy

4:16two dollars and sixty one cents. Okay. So six million next year feels. Oh, it's like a chivalrous. We'll hit it halfway through probably. Yeah. Two thousand and the consistency holds. Yes, which is really, really cool. It doesn't happen in campaigns like ours as long as it has. I mean, this was a year eight. So if you donated, if you posted a fundraiser, if you sent a link to a friend, if you signed up for a matching gift through your employer, if you donated through a donor advice fund, if you watched the podcast, if on anything you did for this campaign, thank you. We are, I mean, just I've reflected on it so much last week. We started this in nineteen. Man, it's like, we just wanted to raise like, I don't know, like seventy five thousand dollars. Maybe we'll get maybe we'll do a hundred thousand, right? And it absolutely blew up the first year. And we had no idea what we were doing. Like I look back on that campaign and it was, it's adorable. It's so, how small and how simple it was.

5:17And compared to what it is now, it's just unbelievable. So it, it means the world to all of us. It certainly means the world to me and my family as parents of a St. Jude survivor. So, thank you. Thank you. Follow up. I want to talk about displays. You are men with displays, I believe. We're looking at pixels right now, right? Yeah. Yeah. James wrote in for Federico. Federico, could you talk about macOS texture rendering on your ASUS monitor? Oh, yeah. The, this is a quote, PG27 UCDM. Let's go baby. Yes. Some of them are looking at. James is currently using an old LG Ultra Fine 5K and is weighing the ASUS monitor as a potential replacement versus the regular studio display is text, is a text issue on this

6:18monitor over a blown on Reddit, etc. I assume this is about like pink pixel density. What, what's the deal with ASUS? Okay. Look, I've never been an expert in this things with text rendering. I'll tell you the practical explanation. It is worse than the Apple studio display. It's not a nightmare. Like I don't want to gouge my eyes out when I look at that display. Like it's, it's fine comparing as I'm doing now, I'm using the Apple studio display XDR that they sent me. I can tell you, it looks better. It does look better. It looks, I don't know how to tell you smoother. It looks, the text looks crisper. Like it does look better. It's a far, far, far, under, faster. Yeah. Yes. Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it far, it's now here? That's what it is. I'm totally pulling this out of my brain. Is it like the sub pixel anti aliasing? Yes. I think it's related to that.

7:19It looks nicer, but when I was, when I was using the, the ASUS until two weeks ago, it was good. Like imagine eight out of 10 versus 10 out of 10. That's the difference. Like if you go on Reddit, they'll tell you, no, it's unusable. No, it's not unusable. But the Apple one is better. It's the thing, right? I think the ASUS monitor I looked it up online. I'm sure you can get deals on them. So maybe this doesn't count, but I saw it's like $1,100 is like the list price. And a studio display, no, the XDR, the regular studio display is like $1,500 or something. I do at least wonder to James. If you are asking this question and it concerns you, that maybe you should find a way to get a studio display. That would be like, this is a question that you have in your mind. You're maybe past the like threshold of like, I mean, James knows this for themselves,

8:24right? If you're like, oh, what is the text rendering? Maybe you are a more discerning eyeball person. And so like you need, you should consider a studio display. That's what I would say. But James can only decide that for themselves, you know? No. Mike, you have the studio display XDR. And now you have a computer that can actually drive it at the higher refresh rates. Yeah. How has that experience been? I mean, are you loving your smooth, smooth boy life? Oh, I love it. It's really good. I love this display so much. And it's so funny because there are just some parts of macOS that are just like in what is it called golden gate that are just super HD on now, like just wild. Like if you open spotlight, it's like blisteringly bright. But I love it. Like this is fun.

9:24Like the text cursor is just like so bright against the like the white on the black. And I think that's done on purpose. I think I've seen people say that like, always this for to prepare for the OLED MacBook Pro or whatever. But yeah, I love this studio display. I mean, I love it anyway because it's just like a really good monitor. And it's exactly what I need. The speakers are really good. The picture quality is good. It's got enough IO. It's the only monitor I've ever used of macOS where the experience is essentially faultless. Like I'm not having to do weird plugging and unplugging unless you plug a new computer and you have to like approve it for the first time or whatever. Come on, Apple. Yeah, but it's not that. I mean, you're not doing that very much. Like you have to do it, but it's not a difficult thing to do. But then I'm not having the thing where like I had it when I was using the, I used like a Dell display and I used an LG display. And sometimes it would just stop working.

10:25And I would have to do this dance of like plug unplug turn off turn on. I mean, just had to keep doing this over and over and over again until it would eventually work and I didn't know what the steps were exactly that made it work. You don't have to do with any of that with the studio display. I mean, it's because Apple's making the thing right? So they're making sure that it works properly. That's like the integrated advantage. Yeah. We do have a machine or any modern enough machine that can drive that display at like the promotion refresh rate. It's fantastic. Like talk about Safari feeling snap here. Like when it's loading at 120 frames per second, just everything feels better about the computer. I mean, a couple that we've just like, I am so happy. I bought this map. Okay. I want to buy it because I was having so you know, it documented on the show where I was having so many issues with the RAM constraints and storage constraints in my computer. Now I just don't have anymore like at all. It runs like a dream and I'm doing more with it than I've ever done like like pushing it to do different apps and you know, using Photoshop more and all this kind of stuff.

11:28And it's just like not a problem. So that's all really great. But the XDR is brilliant. And I do thoroughly recommend it. You know, it's really expensive. But if you want to have the best experience with a Mac display, like that is the one to get except for that really silly one that Stephen has. I actually don't even think that it is better than mine. It's bigger. Yeah. Technically it's worse than the ocean or something like that. I mean, you really did buy it a good time. I was just as you were talking with that, I pulled up the configurator for the MacBook Air and you're basically want to click away from getting a computer in November. Like oh really? It is, if you upgrade hardly anything, you really start spinning those dates out. So you did a good time. And the MacPigar is plenty right? You're a professional Macintosh user. I am a professional Macintosh user. I mean, I look at my MacBook Pro, which I got the M4 Macs when it came out, afraid of

12:34what was coming. And the same computer Jason Snow has. And I'm going to run it into the ground, but when it's time to replace it years from now, like honestly, I could do an air. I really think I could, especially by then, um, yeah, but by then you will have bought a touchscreen all of my pro instead. No, no possible. Not not. No, look, it's it's that or a iPhone duo, you know, all right. I want to just just, okay. So I said Stephen's going to buy that and he's like, oh, no, no, no. Okay. So Stephen's bought an iPhone. Wow. Stephen has a secret iPhone that I have seen. You got that iPhone duo, man. I'm jealous. Do you? Stephen, Stephen has a black matte black iPhone 18 pro. I'm just putting him on that. They're like, oh, I love the air. The air is so good. The air is good. Well, I even need a camera who needs cameras. And they're looking at him. So, you know, is he going to buy the MacBook Pro? Yeah, he will. He will do that. A couple of things about that.

13:35I do still love the air. It's it's now back to my development phone. I'm using it every day. It's right here. So I hit it against the mic. I believe you right there. It is the perfect size screen, man. The Pro is too small. The Pro Max is too big. I picked up a pro Max in the Apple store a couple weeks ago. Whose hands are that for? No, not my hands. You know, big boy, big boy phone. Yeah, the cameras are pretty sweet. Also, I had a bunch of stuff to trade in. I paid like a hundred bucks for that phone. So settle down. The point isn't that you spent the money on it. The point is I did it in secret. You did it in secret after being like, oh, but I love my, you know, I do love the air. Yeah, but you didn't say in a, I love it, but I'm going to replace it kind of way. So you basically cheated on your iPhone Air. If you love something, you got to set it free. Isn't that what the phone chose? Sure. I mean, I don't, I don't think it's, you have to let it free.

14:38If you love something, trade it in for a reduced amount of something, trade it in for money. Uh-huh. That is, that's the less than we'll take away from today's episode. Yeah. Yeah. So, so to answer James' question from 15 minutes ago, seemed like the ASUS is fine. The studio displays, like the regular studio display, am I used one for years? It's a good display, but it's, and it has a lot of niceties, right like the camera, the speakers, it all plugs in, but that panel's old man. Like, 5K at 27 inches is a good size, but I don't think that's a problem. I'm using one right now. I'm using my old one, and it looks fantastic. Like, if you don't care about the OLED stuff, that text is really rendering, man. It's rendering so hot. It's a really good rendering it. I would say if you care about the niceties, and I don't know, is the PG27UCDM, is that OLED? It is OLED. If you don't care about OLED,

15:40and you can get a deal in the studio display, I guess not. It's not, I don't think, a mistake to get the studio display. It just, you gotta know what you're getting into, you know? Your black level's not gonna be so black. Mike, you put a tiny topic in. Yes. I wasn't expecting to see in the document when I opened it this morning. Yeah, I mean, there's no wrong way to, to like, transition to this, but we're doing it anyway. So this week, Mark's the 15th anniversary of the Death to Steve Jobs. So I've been seeing a lot of like posts about it on various websites and social media platforms this week. And I just thought that like 15, that's a kind of a big enough number that I wanted to just, you know, just take a minute about it. And especially I'm feeling like a little more nostalgic at the moment, because I'm Steve Jobs is becoming a character more active in my life. Then he has been in a really long time

16:41because I'm thinking about him more, I'm talking about him more, I'm watching videos, I'm clipping his voice in, you know, like he's just more, he's looming more large in my life again. And so I'm being kind of like reminded of him. And mostly like in a, I mean, that's obviously, I'm getting so far ahead now, but like the next episode, a series of design in California, after the one we're about to do, is about when it's Apple for the first time. So like, I'm very focused as well on like, some of the really weird decisions he makes in his life, which are interesting. But I'm just spending a lot of time and my YouTube algorithm now is only once to show me clips of old keynotts. So I have been watching, as someone who I never click on anything in the YouTube algorithm, this is probably why it keeps doing it. I have recently started clicking on, oh, I would like to see him introduce the Unibody MacBook Pro for the first time.

17:42And so now it's like, oh, finally this man has clicked on something on the homepage, let's keep showing him this stuff. But I am actually interested in seeing these things. And I'm just like, I just think it cannot be overstated the influence that he had on technology presentation. Oh, yeah. Like every keynote video I've seen of even the products that seem so inconsequential in Apple's history, like the transition to a Unibody MacBook Pro. Like they're just better than anything we have now from anyone. Like nobody, I know body can talk about a consumer technology product like he could. It's unmatched. His presentation ability is just, it's just unparalleled. Like no one is even close to it. Like many people are trying. And maybe that's the problem is that they're trying because they're not developing their own,

18:44like a lot of people just not developing their own skill. They're just, I guess maybe it's all just too corporate now, like that's the problem. It's like everyone wants to be Steve Jobs, but they also want to be like as media trained as possible. And like those two things just don't align. And yeah, I just, I just also just in kind of, this year, right, for the 50th, there's been a lot of retrospective too. And so like we're hearing from people that we didn't really hear from very much before. And I was remarking on this because Jason just recorded an interview with Ron Johnson. It's very good. Apple store guy, it's an episode for designing California and publishing members and we're publishing to everyone buddy under this week. We just thought it made sense to just really sick because he's got a book to promote. So let's give him the opportunity to do that if he wants to come on the show. And I'm hearing him tell stories about the Apple store and his Steve Jobs stories. And I feel like we are rubbed of the ability to hear stories from Steve Jobs, which we could actually be hearing now, right? Like he may have been in a time in his life right now

19:49where he would be willing to talk more and share more than he did when he was alive. And I just think that it is so unbelievably sad that we don't get to hear him talk about his thinking and his decision making. Like one of the most important people in the history of the world and technology. And he wouldn't have been that old now, right? And he still would have been probably active in the business and talking about it. And sharing stories about the iPod and sharing stories about the Mac and the iPhone and the iPad and we just don't get to hear him. And I've just been reflecting on it this week it's just how sad I find that. And just how cruel the world can be sometimes. So there you go, that's my thoughts on Steve Jobs right now. Yeah, I remember that day, actually very clearly we were sitting at dinner, Mary and I were sitting at dinner with a couple

20:51friends of ours and then we, so we were like at dinner having burgers and like, it may have been one of the two of you. Tex and me is like, hey, this is, like did you see this? And then we walked over and saw a death cap concert. That feels fitting. It was very surreal. It was a good way to hide your tears, you know, because everyone's crying. I was also at that venue, the first overcast beta I got. Surely it wasn't the same day. It surely was a different concert. No, it wasn't the same. No, overcast wasn't 2014. Okay, it was a different concert than it's very, very long. Yeah, that time, you asked me what you, yeah. It's just a sea of sad music and looking at your phone. You know what I mean? Yeah. But yeah, it's hard to believe. It's 15 years and the number that really gets me is, that means Apple was only 35 years old when he passed. And now Apple's 50, that, I mean, breaks my brain a little bit. Like we're not, it's like it's not that far away

21:56really until he's been gone for half of the company's life. Like it's, it's not right on the corner, but when you say it like that, it's like, oh, that is a time in the not too distant, like not like super far future. So that's just, I mean, hopefully we'll see it. You know what I mean, that'll be what? 20 years from now. I think we'll see it. I feel somewhat confident in that. I mean, I'm sure Apple will see it. Or are you gonna, are you gonna, are you gonna see it? You think I'm not gonna live 20 years? I mean, I hope you, I hope you live forever. What a thing to say when we're talking about someone dying young, you're just never know. I don't make it. You might not make it. You just never know, man. You might. Life is short. Okay. Well, oh wow, Stephen, okay, we get it. Yeah. I just watched succession. So I'm all in on living plus. If anyone has any reference, possible for remembering what that is, but that's me. I'm going for that. Okay. This episode of Connected is brought to you by Squarespace. The all in one website platform designed to help you stand out

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25:01with a based on like a genius idea that I've never seen before. And when I see it, it instantly makes sense. So this is a launcher for shortcuts. We have seen this before, and they were always based on URL schemes. The shortcuts app by Apple has a built in URL scheme that you can use. It's actually powered by X callback URL. You may remember this technology from 15 years ago or something like that. There's actually a documentation page on Apple.com about the shortcuts URL scheme. It lets you open shortcuts, and it lets you run specific shortcuts. These launchers that were based on URL schemes became less effective the moment that Apple shipped the native interactive shortcuts widget a few years ago. Because with the shortcuts widget on your home screen, you can just run shortcuts without leaving the home screen.

26:05They call an App intent. It executes the shortcut in the background. And it's the same when you want to use the action button or when you want to run a shortcut from a control in Control Center or the lock screen. This person behind the factor had the following idea. What if you could have a shortcuts launcher in a live activity? So it works in the dynamic island, and it works on the lock screen. And it lets you put multiple shortcuts icons in there. So you can have a grid of, I don't know, 10 of your favorite shortcuts. And there's always a single swipe away from the dynamic island. But what if the shortcuts, like the Apple shortcuts widget, could run in the background? Now, technically, that's not possible, right? Because developers cannot just invoke

27:07an Apple shortcut in the background on iOS and iPadOS. This person figured it out, and it's based on a really clever workaround. And this is quite meta. The workaround is powered by shortcut itself. The idea is that you install this app, and this app comes with a companion shortcut. The companion shortcut is an iOS 27 shortcuts automation. Because those are now shareable. That's one of the changes that they have made. You can now make any shortcut into an automation, and you can share that automation with people. You install the shortcut that contains the automation, you just flip it on, and it's enabled on your device. It goes a little bit deeper. Please interrupt me if you're not following me. Okay. Okay? Yeah, I understand. Okay. This app installs an automation in shortcuts

28:10that has a trigger. The trigger is one of the new ones for iOS 27, which is the notification trigger. Okay? The notification trigger in shortcuts lets you run actions based on the kind of notification that you get. So for example, let's say you want your kitchen lights to turn red when your food delivery person is nearby. You put together shortcuts automation that when you're getting an notification from Uber Eats, and when it contains a specific title like the word nearby, it runs some actions in shortcuts to turn your kitchen lights red. The flexor does the same thing, but to let you run shortcuts. So when you tap on the dynamic island, that the flag on in the live activity that the flexor generates,

29:12the flexor sends a silent notification to itself. That you don't see, containing the name of the shortcut you want to run. That silent notification triggers the companion shortcuts in the shortcuts app, and it runs the shortcut you selected using the run shortcuts action. I can't believe it was sort of a silent notification. That's the thing that's really weird to me. It feels like that shouldn't be, that part shouldn't, they shouldn't have done that bit. You know, like I feel like maybe not that bit. Is this one of those things that now we've run attention to it and Mac stories do your attention to it, Apple's like, wait a second. Like they're not doing anything wrong, it's just clever. Possibly, I mean, you have to install their shortcut though. Like it doesn't write Federica, like this won't work unless you install their shortcut. Precisely. Yeah.

30:12So there's a lot of things a user has to do. This person did a lot of plumbing to get this right. They also have a special app intent. For example, this app can also retrieve the name, the list of your shortcuts. And they have a special app intent for, for the Fletcher that sort of makes this connection between the app and between the shortcuts action and the automation. It's, it is very convoluted when I describe it. When you set it up, you basically enabled the automation once and then you just design your live activity and you don't think about this stuff anymore. I just, I just wanted to talk about the, the technicality of it. Yeah. Because I'm already seen some open source projects pick this up as a technique for running shortcuts. As far as I know, this person invented it. This sort of like self notification technique as a way to run shortcuts on the

31:18user's device. It's interesting to imagine a world where open AI copies this for, for a charge, you put it on iOS or something like that. Maybe that's not going to happen. But I can't imagine them trying to talk. Same. How to install a shortcut, but it's technically possible. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the thing that I think it's interesting, the technology is interesting. But like I just feel like I don't know if I want to like to live activity running all the time. First, it's going to be messy. You know, it's an acquired, it's an acquired taste. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So what are you, are you running it like all day? Yeah. Okay. And what's in there? What, what, what, so there's buttons you press, right? And then it runs the thing. It does whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. So there's Apple frames. Okay. Obviously. It's really for shortcuts that I have.

32:20There's Apple frames, upload images. So whenever I want, I need to like upload something to the Macsories CDN, quick task and quick note. And those are like one that quickly creates a reminder in the reminders app. And one that creates a quick note in the notes app. I have a app suggestion for a quick reminders. That's fine. Unrelated. That really killed, they really killed it. It is like really the moment. Jam, leave it in the momentum. I want to say we had a lot of feedback. I didn't put it in the show, but I'm bringing it now. People like the weirdness that we live in the edit saying again, the, the four people who wrote in are the four people. And that's the other, you know, 4.2 million people who listen, wow, don't like it in saying anything. They start listening. Wow. There's only four listeners left. We've gone from 4.2 million, which we never had. 4, which we also never had. Yeah.

33:20That is unfortunate, but that's what you've done. Federico, I have a question about, sort of about using live activities in this way, because it does seem to me that a lot of developers have, have found ways to use the live activity that seem not like it's original intention. Like I think about this. I think about when I see any screenshots from OTJ, he's a little live activity that has your time in it, which is just like man, just subtract six. Like it's not anyways. At six, I know where you live. Oh, see, you got it wrong. You're like, oh, I'm in your immediately got it wrong. It's 4.27 p.m. for Mike 527 p.m. for Federico. I know what time it is. Will you menu, but I told you at least. No, I can count. Do you think Federico that Apple intends live activities to be used sort of as this like not really like a mini bar app, but it's not not a like a mini bar app.

34:20Or do you think like the horse is out of the, out of the barn? And this is what it is now. Yeah, I feel like the live activity space is especially with with potentially like a new home pad. What are we going to call this thing? Are we the side of this? It's called the home pad. Well, I'm sorry. I think people call it the home pad. And I like that name. Like I've been calling it that for a while on upgrade. I think it's just a fun way to, I think it's better than the Apple home hub. It's like a, just a thing that we call it until it gets announced next week. And then it has a name that nobody expected, you know? I feel like especially with that device on the horizon, I feel like the, it's so quickly just to my back, the bad device. It's like, I don't know what can't do this. I just, I can, I'm telling it's official. I can not bring myself to say home pad. Okay, with the home pad on the horizon,

35:24I feel like increasingly the live activity as a way for, for, for an app to, to sort of maintain its presence in the background in the users space. I think it's going to be increasingly important. So I don't know. I feel like I've seen all kinds of takes on the live activity and dynamic island. Some of them are really bad and some of them are really useless. Some of them are actually great. Like this one, I think it's a fun and novel work around. I love, for example, the, the, the agents that have live activities that show you like multiple agents working in the background. For example, that is a genuinely useful thing. And especially when like T3 code, for example, it's this really great Mac app for using either Claude or codex, like in, in the same UI, basically, and they have the iOS companion app that connects to your Mac.

36:24And when one, when either agent is done on your Mac, the live activity shows you that. And it's even nicer because it can automatically expand to show you that something is done remotely. And then it shrinks again on its own. It's really nicely done. Very nicely done. So yeah, I am incredibly curious to see what happens with live activities on the home pad. No, I don't know. We'll see. I would say that the social media has been ablaze in the last couple of days with the news that Mark German is reporting at Bloomberg that Apple has partnered with LG to make some smart home products like doorbells, thermostats, cameras and a bunch of other bits and bobs. It seems like this is all being positioned to launch alongside the new home pad product and a refreshed home strategy from Apple, which we're also expecting may begin next week. There seems like the stars are aligning for maybe some of this stuff to be released

37:28on Tuesday. I was expecting them to do like Apple experience like the Neo, but it doesn't they haven't pre-announced anything. So who knows like maybe at this point, it's just going to be a press release or it's not going to be next week or who knows the LG these LG products, though, they are LG products like there's been some FCC filings that show them off. They're not Apple products that are being made by OG. It's not like they're like Apple designed them and LG's manufacturing them with with them. It feels like how they've worked with Logitech on iPad products in the past where Apple tells Logitech, this is what we're building. Can you work with us to build a product that supports it? Do you think Apple only does this with companies with L and G in the name? You got Logitech? It's possible. You got whatever LG stands for. Life's good. Life is good as a different company. No, no, no, that's what it stands for. No, no, there's life's good.

38:29And I know I know I know. But LG is life's good. Anyway, these are known as second party suppliers, which is a term that I think makes a lot of sense to people that play video games where it's essentially this company gets privileged information ahead of time. And then they're able to go and produce what they need to produce. I feel like I'm seeing a lot of people fundamentally misunderstand what this is. It feels that there is a perception that LG is like making Apple smart home products, but they're not that is not what is happening. Like LG is making LG smart home products. But Apple is helping them work best for Apple home and what they want their offering to be. And then nine to five Mac published something from someone who's very prolific right now at doing what we've been talking about, like the code's belong king. As someone who goes by the handle PDF you just quote here from

39:32an account, evidence in 27.2 of two additional home accessories designated as second party products. These accessories are a Schneider branded smart thermostat and a temperature humidity sensor. Like I think what's happening here is Apple is going to some companies and they're like we want to make a big push in the smart home. We're making changes to our smart home platform, possibly, but we're also going to try and really push on this. We're going to have our own products in the future. And so we want, but we're not going to do everything. And so we would like there to be a bigger ecosystem. And we're going to give marketing opportunities to you. We're going to put you in our store and all of this kind of stuff, right? And like when we announce these products, we're going to have a press release and you're going to be in the press release and we're going to make some videos and we're going to show people unlocking their home with your lock and changing the temperature with your thermostat. Like because Apple is also working on their own smart home products, my government has reported this before.

40:32There's been reports recently. And even in the report that he published a Bloomberg says that they are continuing to work on their own products, quote, including a privacy centric home monitoring device. So I just, I think everybody needs to like settle down a little on the story. Like LG is making smart home products. And Apple is like, we will integrate them into our home hub and we will put them in our store and we will show them off in videos. Like that's what's happening here. They're not like, it's not, I think I saw Dan Moran compare it to the motor roller rocker. It's like, Dan, it's not that. It's not that. It's a different thing. Like it's, it's, it's not like, oh, hey, we're, we're so entwined of each other. It's more just the, it's the Logitech crayon and the Logitech, whatever, Ipad case. Like they're just like their products that are out there, but they've just been given some kind of like pre-information about it, which makes sense. Right. If you're Apple and you were trying to breathe new life into the

41:36home kit ecosystem and you have this new product that's going to be at the center of it, hopefully for a lot of people, that's the time where you announce, hey, there's, there's an addition to all the home kit stuff that we've had for years. Here's a new wave of things. And maybe they have some, some sort of advancements that other people will get. I think that makes perfect sense. Because I think the other thing that people have kind of forgotten about in this conversation is like, Apple has a home platform. They don't have essentialized controller beyond Siri, but home kit is all over the place now. And you can use Matter and Thread to bring it all together. And so this idea that like Apple starting from zero or like they're jumpstarting a home strategy, like they have a home strategy. It's just not very flushed out. Right. This is, this is an expansion of it. And you want people like LG to be making things. You want companies like Acara and Belkin and all these other smart home

42:40manufacturers to be on board with what you're doing. And I'm sure Apple can say, look, these guys are doing it right. Of course, behind the scenes, we know that we helped them do it right. But it's, um, this stuff's not going to have an Apple logo on it. Right. It's going to have an LG logo on it or, you know, if LGS I'm sort of home brand, I'm unaware of it'll be labeled like that. And down the road, if Apple has their own first party stuff, then that just furthers the ecosystem. That I'm, I'm actually more curious about than this. The LG thinks in really simple to understand what happens in the ecosystem when Apple starts making hardware. Like if they, if Apple makes a lock, one, it'll be $700. But if they made a lock, is that cool? The market and other smart locks that work with home care? Like that, I think is more interesting to consider than than what this is. Hmm. And I just think that even if they do make their own stuff, they're going to go for the simpler things, right? Like a camera is just easier to produce and sell to a mass market than a lock.

43:46Oh, yeah. Because locks differ country to country. They differ home to home, right? Like the type of lock mechanism you may have. Like it's, and it's complicated to install, right? Like more than just plug this camera into power and put it somewhere you want in your home. Like that's, that's much, much easier to do. And if Apple does a camera, it's going to be pretty much the best looking smart home camera that's out there. I mean, if they use a sensor even on a three or four year old iPhone, it's going to look better than most of what's on the market now. Well, actually, it's the other again, I'm very in the rumors. So the current rumor, and I don't really understand this, the current rumor for Apple's camera is you won't be able to look at the image. It will describe to you in text. No, I don't want to read a paragraph about what happened. I just, but it's privacy. It's like how the Apple Watch doesn't record you. It's just video flows through the camera. Apple Watch doesn't record you. And then it just gives you a text read out of what, of what's happening.

44:49I don't want to read a paragraph about a person in a brown truck pulled up to my house and walked down the driveway and put a box at the door and then walked up the driveway and left Apple, this Apple camera will make a putt cuss for you. Just show me a clip of the guy in the truck. They make like fan fiction of your life. This is the problem with like the Fitbit, like the Google health coaching stuff. Because it's just also wordy because LLM's love their own voice, like just, just show me the clip. Well, they would because they go to they go to fill those tokens up, man. They're worthy. Yeah, they're worthy because they learned from people on stack overflow. But geez, come on. I don't, I don't get that joke, but I don't know. This is more like a stack of overflow burn. I don't know. But yeah, that's so stupid. Just like show me the camera. Like just show me show me the clip. Anyways, the clip anyways, this is supposedly happening, at least some of this

45:52happening next week. That's wild. I'm excited about it. Me too. I want this home hub product. Like I want it. I know I just called it home hub after saying I wouldn't call it that. I'm lost in my own words now, but I'm excited. I want I want a product in my house to show photos of my family. That's like number one, right? And have I've been wanting to get an aura frame for a while. I bought one from my mom and I really liked that product, but I don't want to have two things that will show the photos in the kitchen. And I, you know, we've been expecting this product for such a long time. And it keeps getting pushed back. But now I guess Siri AI will do what they need for it to do. I'm very intrigued about the most recent rumor that the one that is actually coming now is going to look like the I'm actually for. Yeah. It's the suggestion. And it is not the one that is coming later that is going to look like that,

46:54which was an original report a long time ago. So yeah, I think it's going to look cool. I'm very intrigued to see how it will all work, how the technology will work, and how useful a product like this will be. And I also hope that it will force Apple to take a look at the home app again, you know, and like think about that ecosystem, think about how that works. How easy it is to create automations. And it's just really put a bit more, just put more effort into it. They made it, they made improvements to the home app over time. But smart home technology is just inherently finicky and flaky. And also a bit kind of distributed still, even though things like matter exist, like there's still a bit too much distribution. I still have more apps to control things in my home than I want to. And so I hope that if Apple kind of really puts a lot of effort in here, and I think working with manufacturers and like encouraging them to produce products,

47:58if they kind of like really push on this over time, I'm confident that this technology will get better. Yeah, I hope so. Man, the IMACG forward design though, it's like just. It would be so that it will people will buy it just because of how it looks, right, which is like that's step one. Yep. I mean, yeah, they're tapping into that nostalgia play, which is, which is really fascinating for a company that generally doesn't do that, although they do it more than they say they do. Yeah, but yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty, pretty wild. My sort of, when I wrote about this, like I just have a lot of questions about, oh, it's, you walk up to it and it knows who you are. It's like, well, what does that look like in practice? Like if it's in your kitchen and like you and your partner are just like trading places as you're making dinner and like going all over the place, like it's just like, boom, blah, blah, blah, blah, like switching back and forth all the time. Is there a timeout? Some sort of control. I have lots of questions about that aspect of it because Apple sometimes struggles

49:01with devices that have more than one user, like the iPad has it, but only in certain circumstances, it should have it for everybody, but they want you to buy an iPad for every kid in your house. I just, the devil's in the details in these products, especially if it's a product that you are going to interact with and live with. Like if it's in your kitchen or if it's in a living space that, you know, like they got to nail those details or it's going to be frustrating. One thing that's nice about the ore frame, I have one that I can just send pictures to it through their extension or I can open the app and add them. Anyone my family can do it. Yes, it's not the whole photo library, but also I like that it's not the whole photo library. Like I like that I'm being purposeful about what I put on it. And so even in that regard, I would want a lot of control over how this thing works. This episode of connected is brought to you by Century. That's S E N T R Y Century.

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52:07In a interview, Apple's VP of hardware engineering, Kate Bergron, Erger on speaking about the iPhone, do this as a quote from a TikTok with Angie tutorials. Oh, I know Angie. She's, she's Italian. She's a, she's a, oh, I didn't know this was actually no Angie. Like I do, we, we, we, we actually do know each other. We spent a, what's a great time last year at WWDC. She's a content creator on Instagram and TikTok. And I actually know the follow up to this story, but please tell the story. Okay. So in the center of you, Kate said the matte display coding, so the inside of the iPhone duo does a really nice job of, I'll say minimizing the crease. But there's a cover layer on top. And we've done a significant amount of engineering work to help that wear in as long as long of a man, a man or as we can,

53:11based on making it last long as it can. And to make sure that you get the most out of that layer's performance, here's the thing. It's actually replaceable, which is a really nice thing for the customer that you can peel off that layer and get a new one. I feel bad for Kate Bergron. I know what she's trying to say. It doesn't come across. I think the way that she wanted it to. Because then a bunch of people on threads were like, it's a screen cover. No, which is what we were. Remember that with the screen Samsung, but they all have them. They all still have them. They all still have to. Yes, because it's not glass. So they're asked there and also Apple have told us already that the duo's inside screen is made up of a selection of layers. This was part of the description. Right? This is a selection of layers. It turns out the top layer, which is probably the nano part, right?

54:15The nano texture part. They can just take that layer off. Now, I guarantee as a user, you can't get in there and take that thing off. And I've actually seen some pictures, where there's like a, there's like a rim around the top, which is plastic, actually, which is interesting. Like you can see, it's like it's not glass. It's like a plastic layer, which you'd also need because the thing is closing, right? So like you've got to have something to explore the shock. So it's like plastic or rubber or something like that. And they will just pop that thing off when you go to an Apple store. They'll have a machine and they're really weird machines. They'll take that top layer off, put a new layer on. You're not going to be sitting there picking it off of your thumbnail, right? Which I think is what a lot of people now think. But I think this was great. What Kate said of like, we have built this thing in such a way that if you do damage it, you know, maybe you could scratch it or something like that. You just come in, we'll take it off, we'll put it back on easy peasy. And I think I saw someone say somewhere and Zoe is saying it in chat.

55:19Oh yeah, Quinn Nelson found this. It's $19 to do that replacement. Brilliant. That's great engineering from them, right? That like the thing that is probably going to need the most service on an iPhone duo is that they have manufactured to be a quick, easy and cheap replacement. So I think it's great. Everybody needs to not worry. Like it's not like the Samsung Galaxy Fold where MKVHD peeled it off and then it broke. And broke it. That technology has moved on since then. I do think it's going to be, I think part of the response of this. And I think some Apple has to explain this in some ways. Like that this is to a degree aware item. And that's just a new territory for them in terms of hardware. Like, yeah. But it displays break. Yeah, but I mean to have something like, if I get a scratch, I can replace this cover.

56:21I just, I wonder how that's going to be communicated. And why do you think it needs to be communicated? Because if you have a scratch or which you will, like these things are, they're not perfect. What do you do about it as a user? Like if you're unaware of this interview, if you're, if you're not one of the 42 million people who listen to connected and this happens to you, do you even know that this is an option? Or do you just take it to the Apple store expecting a screen replacement or something and they say, Oh, we can just do this for 20 bucks or whatever. Like there's got to be some sort of expectation setting. Yeah, but isn't that the thing though? Like no, but like is it? I think you've already said it though, right? That like if you have a scratch on your screen, you go to the Apple store and then they say at the Apple store, Oh, yeah, we'll take care of that for you. And it only costs 19 dollars and you're like amazing. You know what I mean? Like I think like what happens now if somebody has like a scratch on this screen?

57:22Like they go to the Apple store if they want it fixed. I just, I don't know. I mean, I see what you're saying. It would be nice if they could communicate it, but like how would you even do that? Yeah, man, that's sort of the question. Like isn't this it? Maybe this is it. Maybe the communicating. But it just didn't go the way they wanted. Maybe there's a little note in the box. I don't think they're going to do that. That's the only thing to like these so many people with screen protectors on their phone. Like I don't even, I think people are just used to it. Will you put a screen protector on the inside of this thing? You don't need to. Well, people try to build in. Because there is one. Yeah. So the people that would want a screen protector, who might ask for that or whatever, or have any questions at the Apple store, they'd be like, oh, you don't need to. We did it for you. Maybe so. Mm-hmm. In my experience in the real world, maybe on nerds. Yes. I have learned over the past 17 years that I've been in this racket. That people have a surprisingly high tolerance for absolutely destroyed screens on their phones.

58:25Yeah. They just cover them up with the screen protector. And they can just leave their lives with a cracked display under the screen protector. And then just don't care. Or just a cracked display. Or they cracked the screen protector. Like you just do it. I would die. Like it would honestly kill me slowly. Eventually it would kill me to have that thought that I'm using a phone with a cracked display and I'm doing nothing about it. But people can do it. You know? They're lives. So the backstory to that interview. I saw a story on Instagram from Angie the day after. So the story goes viral, right? Like Apple executive confirms that the iPhone do as a screen protector. So Angie had a Google alert set for her name. Like most of the influencers do, right? And so she wakes up one morning and she finds like hundreds of notifications on her phone. And she starts taking a look at these Google alerts and they're like in Japanese, in Chinese, in Portuguese.

59:27And she's like, what have I done? Well, she's like, she got really concerned for a few minutes. Like why is everybody using my name? And then she realized that in the interview, the Apple person set something that was newsworthy. And so her name was picked up in a bunch of like tech blogs. And like publications or podcasts, they usually don't link to a lifestyle influencer, like Angie. So that was fun. She was like, I woke up this morning and I found hundreds of notifications on my phone about my name. My name is my phone. That's terrifying. I sang for a minute. I was like, this is not happening. Don't you Steven? Oh, it has. It's terrifying. Like did you have the alerts? Like did you have the name? I have Google alerts for my name. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. So this has happened to you. So you can sympathize. It's mostly about some sort of like football coach in the UK, we share a name. And you're just like trading people all the time. Mostly that. OK. Yeah, I mean, I understand this is the way these devices work.

1:00:28I just wonder if like most people do or how it talks about it. It's just it's just an interesting part of this to me. Do we think that the Apple pencil usage or I keep coming back to this too. It's like you can use the USB-C Apple pencil on the duo. It's not coming at launch. It was like, I don't why I got a very much like to know what happened there. It's off to where I'm sure. Again, I'm solving the rumors, man. I'm like rumoring up. There was a attempt from Apple to build a smaller Apple pencil. I saw that. Yeah. And that did not work. So then they decided they would go with the regular Apple pencil. But then they ran out of time. So when they changed to go with the regular one, like the USB-C one, then they needed to develop for it. And they ran out of time to get it for launch. That's that's the story.

1:01:28A little moment would be cool. So it's it's not coming at launch. But I was really I was so a little surprised that they're doing it. I think it makes sense for a product this size. But you sort of have like two competing things going on. You have this softer internal display. You have an Apple pencil. Like, yeah, I mean, I think it's a couple of things. I think one that's a bit of a they're like they're trying to flex. Like Samsung has done this too. Yeah. They don't anymore. But also the the softness level of these screens, it's not like it used to be. Like they are a little bit more resilient than they were in the beginning. Like in the beginning, you could just gouge a finger now into one of these things. And it was then it was like that forever. And there it's just not as fragile as it used to be. And I think they're they believe in its confidence. And I think if you can design it to be able to withstand an Apple pencil, it's probably going to be like be able to suffer most people's

1:02:32attempts at using the thing. So it's probably a good thing to try and aim for. Right. Like if you're developing the screen, like if you start with that as like a goal, right, you should be able to use an Apple pencil on this. Then you're going to make a bunch of considerations that are going to make it last better for everybody. Maybe that's part of why you would consider it. It is different. Like folding phone technology and I'm sure Federico can speak to this too. It has advanced quite quite significantly. And like the resiliency and usage of these things is much better. I mean, there are waterproof and there are fully waterproof and dust proof products now. Yeah. Yeah. And they just wasn't before. It's very different from what it used to be. Yeah. Five years ago. Yes. Yeah. I think it's the latest Google pixel fold is like IP68. So it's the same as a iPhone. Yeah. And now an Apple has got higher dust protection than most of them do even now. Yeah, I just you know, part of it is I think some people in the Apple world

1:03:33like the last time we paid a tinge of this was when Marquez pulled that screen protector off that thing and it exploded. Yeah, I understand that. You know, but I'm excited about it. I still have so many questions about this phone. But you know, pre-utors are a week from tomorrow. Oh, God. What are you all? Where are you all with this? I mean, we are on spending money. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. Right. Expensive. Expensive for especially if they also do this home pad thing, right? As well. Like that's actually happening. Well, that's that's that's more stuff. But I love stuff though. So, you know, oh, we love stuff. We'll be up. You know, there is potentially for some people, bigger stuff problem if they do also book pro like that. That's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Give me some of my other problems. And I love I live for stuff. You know, like one of the we stuff is not happening.

1:04:34It's like a bad time of the year. That is true. I do prefer it when there is stuff. And so I'm looking forward to the stuff. And yeah, I will be pre-ordering. I'm going for I think I'm going to do white one terabyte. I think is what I'm going to go for, which is that's a lot of stuff. But yeah, I do not think this will be the iPhone that I use as my like iPhone. I just I don't know what I don't think this will be the iPhone. That's my iPhone. I think my 18 pro. Okay. Okay. You know, I see your secret your secret 18 pro. No, I was no, it was not a secret. I I was the quote only one ordering one. Remember I didn't order it. To in my defense, I walked in the Apple store. They weren't stocks somehow. So how is that defense to you? The guy held me down and took my money. Okay, that would be a pretty good defense. Take that. That was true. Is that in Ron Johnson's book? I don't think so. Stephen, I don't think so either.

1:05:34I don't believe that that is in his book. No, it's an interesting tactic that they that they were implying, I guess. Talk about four stops of lessons. I'm excited about this iPhone handoff thing. Because you know, there's something nice about the idea of like my inside phone. You know, that sounds like a fun way to live your life. You know, like, I use my 18 pro when I'm out in the world. And when I get home, like, it goes in a little cubby or something. And I get a it goes in a new one and a hermetically sealed chamber. I don't know, man. Well, we're living in strange times. But I'm I'm excited. I'm very excited about this one. I don't even though I remain dubious about it. I don't remember the time. The last time I was this excited for an iPhone. So because it's just like, what is it going to be all about? Like, I'm excited. So I will be thrilled, man. White, I assume. I mean, to me, it's the only colleague you should get this phone in.

1:06:35Yeah. Yes, I agree. Like, if I can't get the white, I will get the blue, right? But like, this one, it looks made for the white and silver. So yeah, I'm excited about it. Better you go. Oh, yeah, no, I mean, seamless mic. Yes, Mike. I thought it was obvious. Yes. It's the only choice. It's the only option. I think it is too. Yeah. I mean, I generally like white phones. Like, my air is white and I've done a lot of white phones over the years. It looks really nice. I also just don't really like the blue. But yeah, I'm in for it to probably just the 256. This is something that happened to me over the last year or so. I used to get a big phone, you know, storage-wise, because I went on my photos locally. And my photo library has exploded in size and there's no way I'm buying a phone that is big enough to hold on my photos. And so my air was 256.

1:07:37The 18 Pro is 256. Like, it's fine. I'm living that life now. Reload yourself. I just wait for the photos to load on slow AT&T, you know. Oh, I just like, uh, it's terrible. Like, I was living that life while we were traveling. Well, I was like in Memphis, right? And like the photo, the share photo library is loading like really slowly on a very, very slow internet connection in the hotel. And just you're just looking at blurry pictures. I'm like, I don't like this experience. It's not great. But if I was in your situation, like, I would just do what you're doing, right? But at the moment, I can still get all of my photos and a ton of other stuff with room to spare on a one terabyte iPhone. So, I for as long as that continues to be the case, I will continue to consider that. Yeah, I mean, on this phone, I've got, I'm using 192 gigs. That's not a lot of gigs. 21 gigs of photos on the thing, 13 gigs of music.

1:08:39All right, I'm gonna take that. I'm using 610 gigabytes. 375 gigabytes as photos. It's wild to like sort through size on the iPhone storage screen and be like, do I really have four and a half gigs of gifts saved on this phone? You know, what's taking two gigs of space in the health app? Yeah. That's it, man. But yeah, pre-orders next Friday. Breaking news. Oh, breaking news. I hope this is good. Mark Gurman, it's official Apple S sent out invitations for a welcome home product launch on October 13th in New York. He's so excited. He can't even say it. All right, so that's it. Oh, and it's a six-color Apple logo. And it's like woven like a... Yes. Here we go. Marquez has a... Look forward to welcoming you to an Apple experience in Tribeca, New York on October 13th, 2026. Check my email.

1:09:40Uh, nothing. Let me go. Let's go. We'll go refresh. Oh, no emails. You know emails. And much just it's just got stuck in the email pipe, you know? I guess so. Yeah, I'll get that. So here's the thing we can't make predictions about this. It's an experience. I predict home hub. I predict home hub. There you go. It's an experience. I'm making it. Not an event. I predicted it. We found out about it at the end of the show. Also, so, Marquez has a screenshot of it. This straight up looks like a fishing email. A little bit. Like that happened once. The way the text looks is it maybe it's just the way he cropped it, but it looks a little funny. Yeah, I think that happened once. Someone posted like, oh, I just got in, but and like it wasn't. It was a fake. I mean, look, Apple always needs your social security number for a... I always for events. For events. Always give it to them. Don't do that.

1:10:41Please don't do that. So you guys will be talking about this next week because I am on vacation. Well, Greg Joss, we just posted it. What if Greg is in on the fishing? What if you think that guy's Joss is doing the fishing? You know what I mean? You think so? 100% that dude has been fixed. Fish fixed. You okay? I haven't had a hard time. I just want to go on vacation. I will not be here next week. You guys will talk about the home hub and you can go on vacation. But we're going to talk about home. You're going to talk about home pad. Home pad. Home home home pod touch. Yeah. We don't we don't want to know what you think about. Do you think there's a chance it's home pod max? Yeah, home pod ultra or home pod pro. Like all of these things are possible. The name's going to be bad no matter what they choose, right? Yeah, but I don't think home pods are bad name. I don't think so either, really. So they're going to put it if it's along those lines.

1:11:44I think if it has the word home in it, I don't think it's a bad name at all, really. Unless they call it like I don't know. Like like, oh, Miggity is like, I don't like that. Like why'd you call it that? So I have, okay, we need to talk about this and then. Oh god. It'll be the end of the show. Under jobs, Apple put I at the front of every product name. I'm Mac, I life, I web. Remember I web my god, I but web you iPod. Under cook, it was Apple, Apple watch, Apple maps, Apple weather, Apple pay. What is Ternis's prefix? Home. Everything. Home phone. Home watch. Home phone duo. Everything's home. I just think it will continue to be Apple. I think we'll be just. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that does it for this week.

1:12:45Yeah. The very exciting times next couple weeks. I think we got that break in news before the end of the show. I'm dude, I'm glad I'm glad it's stuck in. If you want to leave feedback or see the links in the show notes or join and get connected pro, which is the longer and add free version of the show, we do it every week. Each and every week we do it. All that stuff is in the show notes. It's in your podcast player or on the web at relay.fm slash connected slash 623. You can read Federico's writing at maxstories.net. You can hear Mike's talking at many shows here on relay. And you can read my writing at 512pixels.net. I'd thank our sponsors this week, Squarespace and Century for the support of the show. Thank you for listening. And until next week. Say goodbye. I do that too. Cheerio. Bye y'all.