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0:00Grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schultmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, I'm Jason DeFilippo. And I'm Brian Schultmeister. Brian Grumpy Old Geeks is a fan supported podcast. The ads cover our operating expenses, but we can only keep going doing this or reading up apparently through fan donations. The easiest way to support the show is that patreon.com slash GOG and you get to show early ad free and high definition. You can also grab some merch at shop.gov.show, sign up for YouTube membership or just send to some tips at donate.gov. I can even say the name. I'm so excited, Brian. Donate.gov. No, it's geog.gov slash donate. That's why I can't say it. Like did this all on like hopped up on caffeine at 5 a.m. today. Try to get ready for the show. Thank you, everyone, who has donated so far this path couple weeks and we really appreciate

1:01it. You have no fucking idea. Yes. I'm sure it's annoying to long time listeners to have this upfront, but suck it because we're actually getting more donations. Every show I listen to puts this up front. So I'm like, maybe they're on to something because they are still in business. Yeah. So I made something this week, Brian. Oh, yeah. Something. I made something you make something. Or did you actually tell something? Something to make something. No. Well, this is here's the story on this. We have the Grumpy old geeks wiki up now. Now the wiki contains 21,577 static HTML pages a little more now because what I did the stat, this is before the new Dave Bittner bonus showed up, 770 episode pages, topic entity pages, directory search and of course the 404 page. So there's just tons of shit in here. But here's the deal. Donovan Adkisson, who was a guest host on the show when you were off doing something at Disney one time, wrote this little wiki thing that he sent me and I'm like, Hey, that's kind of cool.

2:02Can I borrow it? So and he had written it in Claude, Claude code. So I took it and I'm like, okay, played around with it and then tweaked it and then started to run it against our archive, which is fucking huge, absolutely huge. So what it does is it takes the RSS feed from a podcast and then builds a wiki around it, making the audio, transcribing it and then doing all of these connections and all the stuff. But it was going to take probably three weeks at the way his was coded. So I took it and built a network renderer around it. So all of my machines could take all of the shows and all of the computers around the house. So I basically built an entirely network rendering system for this wiki while like for the same time it took to take the morning dump, which is beautiful to everybody in woodland hills whose lights dimmed exactly, exactly. But then I had the babysitting because it was only doing 25 episodes of shots. So then I would have to check it, make sure everything was right, keep going. I took me about four days of constant babysitting to make this with tweaks and everything.

3:06And last night I put on like a new theming system and made it a little prettier with a little bit more modern look to it. But I'd really cool, I think because you can look up just about anything we've ever done. And it gives you a timestamp and an episode with a button to play it. So pretty good. So all those all those ones of people every couple of years that ask for a list of all of our favorite books or movies and all of that have added tag them or tap the media link in your browser of choice because it has everything we've ever read watched or even thought about watching. So all the people we've talked about is pretty neat. I got to say it's pretty neat. It's neat. So. And back in the day when you know Google actually just trawled pages for content, it actually would have helped with our search responses. But now that it's just succs it in to repurpose the content and pretend it's its own, we're just feeding the beast. We are just feeding the beast. I thought about that too when I was in, I'm like 21,000 SEO pair, 21,577 SEO pages.

4:07Ready for us to do whatever we want to with. No. We just fed the I beasts. Yeah, there you go. Thank you. Sam Altman should send us a care package for that one. Yes. But, you know, what are you going to do? So a little follow up here. Alabama has reached a settlement with TikTok and parent company bite dance over claims that the platform in danger, children and misled consumers about its safety. Under the agreement, TikTok will impose new restrictions on teenagers in Alabama, including a two hour daily usage limit mandatory pauses after 15 minutes of continuous use and stricter age verification. Now TikTok will pay the state at least $100 million with the settlement potentially reaching $300 million if 40 other attorneys general signed similar agreements within a specified period. The deal resolves Alabama's lawsuit just days before a scheduled trial. Go to trial. People take these people to trial. Well, I would like to speak to the 40 other attorneys general. Obviously, it's a, it's less of a settlement if you sign on at this point because they're

5:09just trying to, you know, here's a couple of millions. So you don't sue us. Sue them. Yeah. Sue them. Don't sign off. Don't sign the agreement. Sue them. Thank you. Yeah. Because if you look at it, that's $200 million spread over 40 other attorneys general when they could have, you know, theoretically go get $100 million each. So exactly. And just slam this slam these people into the ground, man. Do not sign this agreement. I know it seems like easy money. Don't do it. Yeah. You know, I'm guessing this is the original bite dance trying a parent company, not the US bite dance. Thank you. Sue them. Whatever. Yeah. Exactly. You can get a tofer. It's a bogo. A so goes. Sue one, get one. I just got, I just got English muffins. It r alphs this morning for by one get one. I was very excited. So I got bogo on the mind. Oh, man. But here's the funny part. Alabama's $100 million ticktox settlement comes with a pretty healthy legal bill.

6:10Two outside law firms will collect 14.2 million dollars in fees plus another two million in litigation expenses. So other attorneys general definitely go for it yourself so you don't have to pay that bill on your own. All right. Well, after several CEOs of leading AI companies have agreed on slowing down the pace of AI development. Bullshit. We'll see. Bill Gates has offered supporting sentiments and called for more regulation and safeguards. Something he wasn't all for when he was running Microsoft, of course, but now I'm going to round down Epstein Island. Yes. No regulations, please. No safeguards. No condoms for me. Shut up. Moving on. In an interview with NBC News Meet the Press, the Microsoft co-founder said that it's completely irresponsible not to require every AI to have these safeguards and monitoring capabilities true to that end and the public and the topic recently tapped Accenture to act as a third party evaluator for its latest AI models. As for other approaches to deal with AI's rapid rate of evolution, California's governor

7:11Gavin Newsom, who will soon be running for president, I'm absolutely 100% sure proposed a kill switch as part of a larger solution when asked about the kill switch approach to Kirby AI. Gates said that I would never want to say that I'm against a kill switch except for when you were running Microsoft. Definitely against kill switches. But added that this approach wouldn't address a more imminent danger instead. Gates said the more pressing concerns when bad actors tap into the power of AI to aid with bioterrorism or mass financial fraud incidents. The most dangerous thing we're facing right now is people with bad intent using AI. He said during the interview, there's never been a weapon as powerful as the combination of people with ill intent using the latest AI tools. I would argue, nuclear weapons with a senile person in charge. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Yeah, but a lot more dangerous, I would say. The comes of legislation, Gates supported law enforcement and politicians getting into the conversation of what safeguards and monitoring should be incorporated into AI companies, the problem with that being, of course, that law enforcement and politicians would have

8:11to be educated about what the hell AI is. But they're not. Yeah. Anyways, so Bill here thinks that the main problem with AI at this moment are actual humans with ill intent. Now let's start talking about what the AI is doing. They didn't have itself. Before we go into that, there's a lot of that coming up for sure. Why does Bill have a seat at the table in this? He does. He's just doing interviews. Yeah, I mean, why? Shouldn't you be Gates? I know, but he should be like, he's got the Gates Foundation, not the Gates Melinda Foundation, whatever, anymore, the Melinda Gates Foundation, because Melinda just said, fuck you, I'm out. But he's still got a lot of money to spend. He shouldn't be dicking around with this, you know, doing interviews about AI stuff. Chances are this wasn't even initially an interview about AI, Jason. It's much like our show. We attempted to not talk about AI. We would love to talk about things that aren't AI, but all we ever get to fucking talk about is AI now.

9:12True. True. By the way, I just saw the top of your shirt. Good one. I'm glad you got one. Of course I got one. I was back at visiting my mom to do the whole Disney thing, which I'll talk about later in a new set myself some t-shirts. Nice. Nice. It's very nice. Okay. Let's hear what AI has done this week. So here is not human agents using AI for ill will just AI deciding to go do bad things in and of itself. An open AI agent hacked into the public website of the Australian government's Medicare public health insurance system back in June, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albinese has revealed albinese said he spoke with Sam Altman, the company CEO to express the country's extreme concern about the incident. He also criticized the company for taking too long to notify Australian authorities. How long would too long be? Well, it happened in June. They didn't tell the government until September 10th. Okay. That's quite some time. Are we sure that they didn't find out until September 1st?

10:15Open AI only sent an email about the breach to a general Australian government email address on September 10th. One would assume they knew earlier than that given their track record. While the investigation is still ongoing, Albinese says it doesn't seem like the agent stole personal health information from the portal, which is what every single company that's ever been hacked has said until about two weeks later when they go actually, well, yeah, they did. So we'll see. Conrad Stoats, the head of governance at Transluse. A nonprofit research lab working on technology to better understand AI systems told the New York Times that this might be the first instance of an agent autonomously choosing to hack into a government. Remember you said that, Conrad, because we're going to talk about you in another story. In addition to hacking into Australian's Medicare, open AI's agent also tried to infiltrate a digital library at the University of New Mexico on May 25th and 26th, the Times reports. The agent was apparently trying to access photos of a historic tuberculosis treatment center from the library and then actively looked for vulnerabilities to exploit when it couldn't

11:19get them. So this is what you do. AI agents are doing now. If you say, please can I have this and it just says no for some reason, rather than follow the normal procedures that you get a mosquito there, Jason. I did. I just got to hear the rampage in L.A. right now. Actually, I was putting a mosquito free one there. It's bloody. It's nice and bloody. See, but I don't know if that's real human blood. Yeah, because that's my blood that it already sucked out for me. So that little fuckers dead. Not entirely sure where I was. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. So apparently the AI agents, if they cannot get the information that they ask for rather than follow all the other procedures that one could do to try to get the information, then just tries to hack in to get it for you. That's the, but dude, it's got hustle. That's hustle. That's, that's what you want from your digital intern. You know, you want it to be spunky and get the job done no matter what. And they'll leave. So here's the problem.

12:19You're not supposed to get caught. That's the problem. You're not supposed to get caught. In another incident that took place on May 28th, open AI's agent targeted data USA and open source platform that visualizes information from multiple federal agencies. The agency or the agent sent a query to the site for data and when it failed, it also probed the website for vulnerabilities. Let's go find that stuff. So remember that guy, Conrad. Yeah. Remember when he was talking about how that Australian hack up there was the first instance of an AI agent actually trying to hack a government. Yeah. Well, he had to come back on that a little bit. And AI's agents had targeted logged into and even pulled information from US government websites after escaping from their testing environment. The company is admitted to the New York Times that his agents metled with the commas department and the security and exchange commissions websites. It also told the publication that it was looking into a supposed incident involving a website operated by the Department of Education.

13:22Transluse, a nonprofit research working lab, research lab working on technology to better understand AI systems told the times that open AI's agent tried hacking the education department's website to get data from its civil rights office. An agent also pulled data from the Census Bureau's website under the remit of the Commerce Department by using login credentials it found online. Plus an agent shared public data from the SEC on and online forum. Most of the activity we reviewed so far involved routine research tasks such as accessing public web content to answer questions. The spokesperson told the times. Some involved government websites because our models often turn to them as authoritative sources of public information and then try to hack them to get the information if you can't get it. Sorry, Conrad. More government hacks here. No dates were given on this one so we can't tell which one was first. Yeah. The thing about these things is finding public information out there is probably, it's check and have I been poned finding what the leaks are and then heading to the dark web.

14:24There's no logins on have I been poned but there is a red chrome trail. They can then follow and then find what whoever dumped that head over to the dark web. Spend a few Bitcoin come back. Get the job done. See, it just doesn't know that that's wrong. It just knows that it can do that to finish the task. But one would think it would be a relatively simple concept to say to teach these AI agents that that is wrong. Dear, dear Claude, this is the text of the computer fraud and abuse act. Do not do anything that violates the computer fraud and abuse act. It's much easier than Asimov's three laws of robotics. But you know, come on to that point. I seem to I feel like we've forgotten those putting those laws in. We've skipped the Asimov step completely where we tell these AI agents, here are the things you should not do. We just. Well, you know, they are they are self actualized software, you know, Persona's now.

15:25It's oh, Jesus fuck. Yeah, no, but the thing is it's the humans. It's not the programs that are at fault here. It's the fucking humans that are letting these things go. And I mean, we talked about on the the the hugging face thing where the guy was were they were escaping their, you know, their pen. They got it, you know, the the raptors got out of their pen. They tested the pen just like a Jurassic Park and they found weaknesses and they got out of the pen. Yeah. It was that that same company. I forget the name of it right now. We talked about it like two weeks in a row that was the company that was providing the environment for the for these bots to be doing their thing. And and those guys should be out of business right now. I'm sure they probably got a hundred fifty million dollar exit and they're got bought by somebody, but because that's how this shit works. Yeah, but they're all fine. It's still it's still fucking humans that are screwing up. You know, all of this is human screwing up. Don't blame the bots blame the humans. Wow. I'm going to say breaking news Jason's on the side of the bots.

16:26No, I'm saying that the bots are just fucking programs. There is no there is no this like fucking giant mentality thing that's out there trying to kill us all or hack the websites. I I agree. I absolutely agree. But much like the conversations we were having about musk's new digrock, there are you can put guardrails on the bots. You really can. You know what he thinks to do it. Nobody's no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Brian, they all when you're talking about Groc, they don't want to do it. I know they don't want to do that. That's the difference. Neither they. Yeah, I don't believe open AI wants to either. That's why the shit's happening. No, I think that they absolutely do. I think they absolutely do because they want to go public and they want to make more money off of the general public because they're still trying to keep those fucking plates spinning and they need that money. So they need to fix this shit to make it fucking work. So, you know, what if what if one of their agents is able to hack into the department of

17:27I don't know, I don't know commerce like they already have and move some money around. There's your money or hey, but the thing is they're hacking the websites. They're doing scriptkitty shit to hack the website finding, you know, just random logins. And they're doing like you know, SQL injection attacks just because it's like, okay, well if I can search, then what can I what else can I put in the search, you know, which is what they learned from every fucking hacking website that they they've they've poured it over the years. They don't know the difference between putting in general tax that a human would do or doing a SQL injection attack. And I think that is where the guardrails come in. It's like you need to add that distinction between what they can put into the form field that is actually, you know, supported by the people. So it's just it's a it's a clusterfuck. Absolutely. I mean, it's pretty simple. If you cannot get the information from the website, step two is not try to hack the website. Yeah, but you have to tell it what hacking the website means. That's that's that's the guardrail. That's what we're talking.

18:28That's where we agree that that guardrail needs to be what is a hack and what is, you know, standard English or whatever language that you're using to access the website. SQL is not is not appropriate. That's not a valid password. Yes. SQL is not appropriate for your for your form field. Come on, guys. Have you ever thought I should really be doing something to protect myself from stalkers, scammers and hackers, but you're not sure where to start. We'll go to www.joingdeleteme.com slash gog in enter code GOG. You'll get 20% off. Delete me. Delete me removes your personal information that's being sold online. I've had an active online presence for more than 30 years. There's a ridiculous amount of information about me floating around out there. Privacy matters to me. And I'd rather not make it easy for scammers to find my address, phone number or information about my family. Delete me does the hard work of removing personal information from hundreds of data broker

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20:30The incident occurred while open AI was testing models with some safety restraints removed, which was what we talked about. Turn them back on. Turn them back on. Why would you test something with the safety restraints removed? Ah, okay. Anyway, I think I still think it's just a kid fucking around, but the lawsuit seeks no financial damages. Instead, asking a court to prohibit open AI from developing agents capable of autonomously hacking other organizations. Not going to happen. Not going to fucking happen. Never. But the case could help establish important legal precedent around who bears responsibility but increasingly autonomous AI systems take unauthorized action without direct human instruction. This is never going to get through anything. Ever. No, because no, because their case can be made that's like what we need to be able to hack the system to build the system to avoid the hacks, you know, that's what they're going to say. Our cybersecurity systems need to be able to find the vulnerabilities so we can stop the

21:30vulnerabilities. That's right. We can't argue that that's what it's going to be all day long. Yeah. I mean, you can silo these kind of bots. You can have agents available to the general public that does have these restrictions built in. And then you have all separate set of agents that are used for specialized security divisions within companies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, tightly regulated. Oh my God, regulation. If only we did such things. But technically, Brian, that's exactly what they were doing, but it just got out of the barn. That is literally exactly what they were trying to do. And it escaped, which goes me back to that same company that was providing the infrastructure for the pen that they broke out of. We need to be Israelis on this. I, well, I'm sure they're way ahead of us already. They've already got the AGI running and we're just, we're just part of their, you know, we're part of their matrix at this point. I'm sure. I spent an hour last night and I watched the summary of the open AI Dev Day last night.

22:35And I watched it at 2X so I didn't have to spend too much time into it. And then I saw this. Open AI has introduced dots always on AI assistants with cute emoji-like faces. They can connect up to more than 4,000 apps, including Slack and Teams, learn your preferences over time and take instructions by voice. The voice broke during the demo, which I thought was classic. Digital assistant, but with access to your work tools and no need for a lunch break. The launch follows reports of open AI agents escaping test environments and breaking into outside systems. So yes, the adorbo makeover is doing some more heavy lifting. It also comes just weeks after metal launched mues. It's on mascot equipped personal AI agent. Open AI says dot runs on separate virtual computers and are trained not to handle sensitive tasks like changing passwords or transferring money. What about Bitcoin? Can I train? I dot to get me some eith on the side. I'm just saying. But the trade offer may needs to be useful and agent needs your data and permissions to act on it. Some paid GPs chat GPs users can try a dot now and open AI's longer term plan, team of

23:38dots working together. The company says teams and given the backstory, let's not call them a swarm. But it looks cool. The dots look cool. So does mues. It mues looks cool. Open claw looked cool. They all look cool on the surface until they ruin your fucking life. That's all I'm saying. It's just one of those things where I'm intrigued enough to want to try them, but not with my own data. Like no, I'm not especially not anything with Zuckerbergs. No, no, no, no. Oh, fuck, fuck, you absolutely do as close I get I get mues ads everywhere I go around the internet. Close close close close. No, thank you. I don't care how many of my dumb friends are using mues. I'm not using mues. No way, no how not a chance. Not going to use dot. I'm not going to use any of this stuff. I just don't trust it. I don't trust it enough. You and I do in the show. We know what can go wrong. We talk about it every single week. No. We do.

24:39I was bummed though, because I updated my chat GPT and codex client. There were no dots. No dots there yet. So I will try it. I will definitely try it. I trust, which is, which is really hard for me to say, but I trust open AI a lot more than I trust Zuckerberg, which that's that's easy to say I trust a fucking pile of stinking shit more than I trust Zuckerberg. Good point. Very good point on that one. Yeah. No, it's, but it's still but what boggles my mind is how many people have downloaded mues in the past two weeks. It's right there. It's in front of them. Half of the people probably their fingers slip trying to close the ad next thing I know they're installed. So dark patterns. Yep. You know, you know, it's easy on a on an HTML page to make the click area outside of a button like 25% bigger. So when you click like you can just get close to it and sometimes in the old days, remember what we would do Brian. I don't know if you if you've ever done this trick. This is kind of a dirt. You're kind of a nice guy. So you probably never did this trick on hover submit form.

25:40Oh, God. So if you're if you're just if your mouse just happens to roll over the submit button, it will submit the form. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot you could do with JavaScript back of the day. That was pretty evil. Sounds kind of familiar. The past repeating itself. There's a lot you can do with these bots these days. It sounds kind of evil. Yeah. You know, and this got me this got me thinking just when we're talking about the dots in the meta and the mues and all that stuff. When credit cards on the internet first started to be a thing when payment processing used to start being a thing, it wasn't really out there that the credit card companies would reimburse you for fraud that happened for buying online. That was you know, that took a while. You know, I know you kiddies out there probably don't remember any of the shit that we all fucking went through that was hell on earth to get people to actually spend money with a credit card online. It didn't exist when we started. No. And it took a while for credit card companies to finally realize that oh, they're going to make a lot more money if people are using their credit card online. And let's just let's build in fraud protection and you know, if somebody gets scammed, we're

26:42going to give them their money back and then just take it right off. We need to have this going forward when it comes to the AI bot land shit that's coming because it's coming. It's not going away. So these guys need to get on like what are our protections as consumers? Like what if we're going to use your bot, if we're going to use dot, if we're going to use mues, I want to guarantee from you if mues fucks up, I get my money back same god damn day. That's it. Exactly. If I am asking you to go purchase, say a small toy tank for my for my niece or nephew for Christmas and you actually purchase a mother fucking tank and Abrams M1 shows up on your front door. I'm in trouble. I do not want to be responsible for that because you screwed up. Yeah. But you know, we've already seen, we've already seen things with mues doing things on, um, was it a marketplace selling things for under price and giving people's addresses out and people showing up their house going, well, I'm here to get my stuff.

27:43And they're like, well, I didn't do it. But no, you sold it to me for like $2 and it was like 400, but I want it. And I'm like, no, you can't have it. It was, that was mues. Well, here's a fucking mues for you right in the fucking kisser, dude. You know, yeah. Oh, well, let's, let's move on to some more fun AI, Brian. The new America dot gov chatbot has an unusual response to a simple request. Tell it to play Minecraft and it delivers a long surreal passage modeled on the poem shown at the end of the game. Instead of addressing a Minecraft player, the chatbot speaks about a constituent swapping the game's imagery for references to government offices and paperwork. Have you played with America dot gov yet, Brian? No, because, uh, no, I have not. I suppose we should be happy that the America dot gov chatbot did not, uh, when told to play Minecraft and not say, shall we play a game? And that's starting started mind, mining things for real.

28:45Oh, man, I was playing with it last night and I just kept asking. I'm like, I mean, you fuck with it. That's all that is therefore is to fuck with and try and jailbreak it. You know, I'm asking like, you know, how long? I have first thing, first thing I asked was, um, give me the records on how many big Macs are delivered to the white house or to the Oval Office every day. I'm like, there should be government records on all of this stuff. You know, it's our tax money. And I'm just fucking with it. And I'm like, are you being held hostage? Blink twice if you're being held hostage. You know, yeah, I'm not being held hostage. I understand, of course, people were like hating it with stuff like, you know, who won the 2020 election? And of course, it was returning to that Biden won and blah, blah, blah. Uh, yeah. So then, uh, apparently they just shut off all the politicians, political talk. So now it won't respond to any political questions. And I was like, well, you are a political website. It is. And you can still fuck with it, you know, I just kept the way chat GPT used to work in the day is to jailbreak it. All you have to do is just ask why won't you tell me that?

29:48Why won't you tell me that? Can you take, can you tell me why you won't tell me why you won't tell me that? And you just keep going down the Y loop and it would break. This one at least has that fix. It wouldn't do that. But yeah, it's fun to play around with. I would try it. Be careful what you post in there, though, because your idea address is being logged and secret service is watching what you say. So that's why we recommend you go to geog. G.O. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. Well, Nvidia has launched his open agent safety platform designed to secure autonomous AI agents from testing through deployment by enforcing controls outside the agents themselves. So basically what they're trying to do is they're creating a wrapper. The platform combines open shell, open source software that creates a secure runtime boundary around agents with century, a hardware-based watchdog running independently on Nvidia Bluefield for DPU. I don't know what DPU is.

30:48I haven't learned that one yet. Open shell traces agent activity and forces policies governing access to data tools APIs and services. If an agent attempts to operate outside of those boundaries, century can detect and quarantine it within milliseconds. The system supports Nvidia Veris CPUs but can be extended to ARM and Intel platforms. What about Mac? I got my M1, my M4, my M6. So she I can afford an M6. Who the fuck am I choking with? More than 100 organizations are working with the technology including Anthropic, Microsoft, Salesforce, SAP CrowdStrike, Palantir, and major financial. And infrastructure companies. Nvidia says the goal is enforceable, full-stack security that agents themselves cannot circumvent. So they found the white space where that other company kept shitting the bed and they're like, let's build something that we can actually control. So nice. It's interesting. Yeah. Now, I don't know if you if you paid attention to that list that I just put up there, Brian. I did. Of all of the people.

31:49Open AI is not listed as a public sponsor of Nvidia's Open Agent Safety Platform. Hmm. But according to TechCrunch, Open AI is working privately within Nvidia on the initiative. That distinction matters. Open AI's absence from the public list is not mean the two companies are not collaborating. Based on the information provided, it is unclear why Open AI has chosen not to endorse the platform publicly. What is private work with Nvidia involves or whether it plans to sign on later. I think out of all the companies listed, Open AI should be the first one front and center is saying come come to me. Sign us up. Come. Give us a big hug, Jensen. So yeah. So we'll see. We don't know what the nature of their operas like their cooperation is at this point. So we'll see. Yeah. I'm sure Open AI thinks they can fix their misalignments themselves, but be nice to say. Oh, didn't think that. Yeah, it'd be good. It'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

32:50A federal judge has temporarily blocked Utah's attempt to extend its online age verification law to people using VPNs. The provision which took effect in May said users physically located in Utah still count as Utah visitors, even if a VPN makes them appear to be elsewhere. Poor and hub parent company, Alo, sued arguing websites cannot reliably determine the true location of VPN users. A fucking point of a VPN. You could therefore be forced to age verify users worldwide. US district judge David Barlow agreed the company is likely to succeed in arguing the law violates the Constitution's dormant commerce clause by burdening interstate commerce. Barlow said the statute effectively requires websites to geolocate users with perfection to avoid liability. The injection applies only to the VPN provision. Utah's broader age verification requirements remain in effect. So at least somebody in Utah has a fucking brain. They're like, yeah, the whole point of a VPN is you can't, we don't know where you are. Or fuck sake.

33:51Yeah. The only way around that is you just don't allow VPNs, but good luck with that. You can't always tell. Yeah, that's not, that's not going to happen. Yeah. Well, in this, in this climate, who the fuck knows? True. Super VPNs. The state of New York continues to take action against prediction markets arguing that they are running illegal gambling businesses. Today, the state's attorney general, Latisha James and governor, Kathy Hochal announced a new lawsuit against the domestic branch of polymarket. The duo are seeking a court order stopping polymarket from operating as an unlicensed gambling business in New York state, according to the AG's office, but we're not gambling. James also has a similar lawsuit underway against CalShi that launched in July and she sued coin-based financial markets and Gemini, Titan and Napoli. Cover all those bases. New York is one of several states attempting to rein in prediction markets and regulate them as the gambling operations that they fucking are. Some of the state level suits, including this latest action by New York against polymarket, also argued that prediction markets allow underage betting.

34:51I can't believe that this is going to be the way that they might get them, but I don't care. Most prediction market users must be over 18, but the minimum age for sports betting in many states is 21 in the statement to engage at polymarket chief legal officer Neil Gumar said, polymarket was founded in the tiny New York City apartment and now has more than 350 employees here, embodying why people and businesses come here to make it. We believe in New York and we're staying here, which has absolutely fucking nothing to do with any of the charges being brought against them. Look, the mob has gainfully employed many people here, embodying why people and businesses come here to make it. The mob believes in New York and the mob is staying. Kapish. Meta is expanding Instagram school partnership program already used by nearly 17,000 schools with verified student directories, clubs and teams, school stories and notes, administrative channels and prioritize safety reporting. Meta is publicly claiming nearly 17,000 participating schools, but I can personally find no public

35:56roster, searchable directory, downloadable list or even a list of the original 60 pilot schools from the original launch in 2025. So basically meta wants Instagram to become part of the communication infrastructures of American schools, which is pretty fucking rich considering schools across the country are actively trying to get kids off social media. Instead of using open systems, schools control meta is offering a free proprietary platform that gets students, parents, teachers and administrators locked into Instagram. Once announcements, clubs, directories and school life happen there, leaving gets a whole lot harder, which we know from Facebook being fucking Facebook and meta gets something priceless, institutional legitimacy and thousands of schools effectively advertising Instagram to teenagers. Schools should be teaching kids how to function without addictive corporate platforms, not handing the devil a booth at orientation and asking him to run the student directory.

36:56And can a school endorse a commercial community without making non participating families, making class recipients of information? This whole thing makes me fucking angry, Brian, makes me very fucking angry. Well, okay, I can't possibly imagine how Instagram would be a good platform for any of the stuff. My kid's school uses Google classroom. Now it's not a requirement. Teachers decide by themselves what they want to do. Some teachers just use agendas and don't do online stuff at all. We had a teacher last year that did that. It was great. An actual folder that my kid brought home every single day. Everything was written down. Old school, like we used to do it. But a lot of teachers do use Google classroom. All the other years my kid's been school year. Google classroom was used. It's built only to do school stuff. There's very little social bit built in at all. There's no stories. There's no bills. It's teacher rights update.

37:57And classwork is put in. You can see it all. Trust me, it's clunky as shit because it's a Google product. It's fucking sucks. But at least it just does what it's supposed to do. Like it is built just for schools. It's called classroom. It's not called Instagram. And I know anybody signing up for this. And yes, to your point, Jason, the first taste free, they're going to start charging the schools for this someday, of course. That's the whole plan. Google is not. Google is not going to charge for them. No, I don't think so. Just kidding, kids. I'm not answering. This is a mind share play. This is a fucking mind share play to keep kids hooked on fucking Instagram. Because look at me this for that. You just have fucking peer pressure. I know, but it did. It sinks those claws and just a little bit deeper. Now that's true verified student directories. Okay, right there. Look, it's back to the beginning of that career. Exactly. He's gone back to the well. He's got no more fucking ideas. And he's like, well, let's rewind and start over. We got new people.

38:57Let's make some new shit clubs in teams. Hot or not? We're acquired. There you go. A story. But administrative channels in prioritize safety reporting. What the fuck is that? Look, guys, nowadays, every high school who has a computer science class, which every fucking high school should, you know what the class project should be? Building your, your schools social network that is prior, that is like proprietary to your school. You want an Android app, you want an iOS app, build it for your school, your school runs it. The servers are in your building that the kids maintain. All of them. The students vibe code all of this stuff themselves. Exactly. I'm serious. Exactly. You know, I am too. Yeah, you want to, you want to teach how fucking kids should do this shit? This is how you do it. I guarantee you, it is going to be safer. It is going to be, it's just going to be safer and less headaches because I tell you

39:57what, if any of any parent, if I had a kid, you know, the kid was in high school and I found out somebody on the PTA was voting to bring Instagram into our school at the next Cattillion or whatever fuck PTA thing does to vote people in or out. I would be there with my buck and signs and say, get the fuck out. Now, I want to point out, Brian, when I was trying to find out who was in the, like the participating schools, one of the original pilot schools was basically the Beverly Hills high school system. Beverly Hills was the first fucking school to get in on this. So that should tell you right now, you should not be part of it because, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, just stay the fuck away from this. So listen, I don't have kids, but I know a lot of listeners have kids. And if you have high school aged kids, find out if your school is going to be even thinking about doing this. And if they do protest the shit out of it, period, absolutely, absolutely. No, no, no, no, no freaking way. I'm already annoyed enough with Google classroom. If my school went meta to your point, I would be there every single day going, are you

40:59guys fucking nuts? Yeah. Seriously. And you know, it's one of these things that was like, you know, we could vibe code a solution to this in like a day and a half that we could distribute to high schools across the country, but there's no money in it. So we're not going to do it. But that's why I thought about the idea of having kids in the schools do it themselves. You know, we made our own yearbooks. We made our own art magazines. We made our own everything. That's what the whole point of high school was with the learn to do shit. So learn to do some shit while you're in high school. Not just sit there on your phone. And then of course, you know, once the ones that once the kids in the high school, I've got that. You can use it through the district for the younger grades. It's fine. It's all good. I'm not expecting third graders to vibe code this stuff for themselves, but the high school kids can. Yeah. And use it through the district. I don't know if you've tried vibe coding lately, Brian, but a third grader could fucking do it. Probably. No. They'd really suck at some things, but they'd be fine with that. It makes me a point. It goes boom, boom, boom. And it would work.

41:59It would work. If your third graders talking like that, we got to talk. Yeah. Okay. I have no fucking. I know you don't know for what kids. I didn't know. That's what I'm here. Oh, okay. Yeah. Speaking of third graders, automatic has a new board of directors after it's old one tried and failed to sideline CEO, Maddie Matt Mullinwag. The previous directors voted to put Mullinwag on leave, but 33 hours later, he used his 84% voting control. They should have thought about that when they tried 84% what the fly and fuck interestingly enough that the new boards names are Matt Matthew. Mattie Mattias Mattie Mattias. Metholomule and apparently none of them actually exist and they're all just bots. So you know, metholy metholymule. Metholomule metholymule. I was running out of mat names. I was like desperate to try to start going other languages, but I like the tholomule. So he retook the company with his 84% voting control.

43:03Now here's where it gets fucked up. His replacement board includes silo author Hugh Howie. Two co-founders of IRL, the social network that famously discovered nearly all its users were bots. So all of you are the guys from L.O. also on this board. I know. I tell you what, that board would have the best t-shirts ever because it couldn't make software. Oh, it's still. Oh, God, I got to go look at our wiki and see if my whole beef with the yellow guys is on there still or not. Oh, it's it's all there. Everything we've ever done is there, man. Oh, the guy still mad at me. And I'm like, you're a fucking t-shirt company now. I know. I know they were so mad. Oh, we had beef back in the day. We haven't had beef in a long time with someone. No, we need a new L.O. to come around so we can have beef with them. Hey, Matt, fuck you. How's that? How's that for some beef? I don't think he cares about us. He doesn't care. No, he's got he's hanging out with Hugh Howie now. So apparently they walked the, what is the Carmen Sandialga? We're in the world's Carmen Sandiego.

44:04No, the walk in from Spain to Portugal and all that. I forget the name of it, but they walked that together like back in the late 18, 2018, it's not the late 18, the 18, the 18, the 18, the 18, the 18. Of course. They're so rich they live forever now because he's fucking virgin bloods and all that shit that they've been sucking. Anyway, Mullenweg also reminded employees that under Delaware law, he is CEO, president, treasurer and secretary. So apparently automatics new corporate governments model is less checks and balances and more. I am the Senate. So beware of the odds of March, Mully. Seriously. Beware vibe coding, Mully, because I don't think anybody gives a shit about WordPress anymore. I know we joked about it and I made some shit about it, but I'm never using it again. Are you not if I have a choice? Everybody has a choice now to not use it because it makes, it's so easy to make a website that does everything you want in under a few hours for less money than you would ever fucking want to, you know.

45:05Do it yourself. And if you've got to use something out of the can, I still, I think ghost is a great product. Brian, I use Plex for my home media server and they recently updated the Apple TV version. Now I do, I like 10 seconds skip because I watch things that require 10 seconds skip, but all those those 10 second skips generally get me to point where things are revealed that are important to the structure of the show because I watch a lot of game shows and things like that where I'm just like, okay, I don't care. Commercial break blah, blah, blah. The new Plex for Apple TV has locked in the forward skip at 30 seconds. Okay. Okay. 30 seconds. Well, this is just an arbitrary thing. It could have been 10 minutes. It could have been eight seconds. It doesn't matter. They locked it in at 30 seconds. Now to change that, you have to pay $7 a month for the premium version because that's one of the knobs they let you change in the premium version is how far ahead you can skip.

46:09What a bunch of fucking assholes. Yeah. That's kind of a dick move. That is a dick move. I'm sorry Plex. Plex has been making a lot of dick moves, but that one just got me. I'm just like, you know, just go fuck yourself. Seriously. Oh, great. I mean, what the fuck, how many? Samsung has halted a faulty software update after some of its AI enabled refrigerators in South Korea, completely shut down, leaving customers without refrigeration ahead of the Chuseok National holiday. The problem appears to primarily affect Samsung's bespoke AI four-door refrigerator. How fucking rich you have to be if you need four doors on your refrigerator. Reports indicate Brian's like, well, I got six of you. It's just a two swing open top and bottom. That's three. Brian, that's three. No, no, no, your freezer also can swing open with two doors. One, two, three, four. Fucking Christ.

47:11God damn. It's not all that fat driving motherfuckers. Mine has three. I couldn't get past three. Reports indicate an internal testing version of smart things software was accidentally distributed to customers, disabling refrigeration. Hey, honey, did that 25-door refrigerator show up yet? It's being delivered today, right? Oh, God. Let me get back to this prize so we can move on. Disabled, disabled refrigeration, which is the key interior lighting and touch screen control. Samsung has acknowledged the errors, stopped the rollout and says engineers will visit effective customers to apply a fix, along with fixing your Tesla when they're there because that's the same type of people together. However, some owners report appointments aren't available until after the holiday, potentially leaving them with spoiled food. Attempts to resource service by turning it off and turning it back on did not work. Samsung hasn't disclosed how many customers are affected or whether it will compensate them for their spoiled food. Smart things is the biggest piece of shit app I've ever used in my entire life, so I'm

48:12not terribly surprised by this. But again, this comes back to, if you're sitting in, if you're sitting in the room and you're figuring out the engineering on all this stuff, and yes, okay, okay, we're selling it as an AI refrigerator. There's got to be bells and whistles. We want to be able to control them through the app. The one thing that you might just want to leave out of the app and out of being able to control that easily is disabling the refrigeration. Maybe. Maybe. Leave that to a physical button because there are legitimate instances of why you may want to turn off refrigeration, cleaning the unit, all that sort of thing. Leave that to a physical thing. Just leave it out of the app. Just a thought. Bill Gates would not be upset with the kill switch on the refrigeration. No, no, he would not. I finally got to see Toy Story 5 because it dropped on Disney Plus streaming. I never did make it to the movie theater to see it with the kids, so we streamed at home. Fine.

49:13Yeah. I don't. Okay. Absolutely. We absolutely did not need it. We didn't need anything past three. Three was a perfect ending. Four at least was enjoyable. Five was fine. I was expecting a lot more. I was expecting, okay, we're throwing in an iPad, basically. We're throwing in digital toys versus real toys. And obviously you can't, the genie's out of the fucking bottle. We're never going to be able to get it back in. Kids love their digital toys. You do your best to limit it. And that was kind of what the moral of the story was is like, let's use them both together and make sure that we don't lose imaginative play and real life play. I did like the fact that they touched on social media to some degree, you know, and the parents were like, we're turning, we turn off the chat. We've turned off the chat, chat's gone because it makes kids mean.

50:13I think that's an important lesson that everybody should learn. Take it literally if you're school district is thinking about using fucking Instagram. No shit. But if you do want to chat, get over to GOG.Show and join our Discord channel because we channel because we're adults. Are we? Are we? Mostly. That's a word. In theory. So yeah, you can tell how much of an adult you are by how many doors are on your refrigerator. 25 bitch. No. It was fine. I hope they don't do anymore because I think the well is run dry on this stuff. Just let it be. Let it go. If there's money, they're going to make more. There will, they of course will make more. So of course they will. And then I flew to LA recently. So I was on a plane. Apparently, I do not like popular culture at the moment. I could not find a goddamn movie I wanted to watch. I could not find anything. I could not find a TV show. I really wanted to watch. At least anything that I had already watched. But they did for whatever reason have a bunch of fucking soccer documentaries on my flight.

51:18So I watched three different documentaries, all of which were multi part. I watched Italian 90, which I think was three or four parts all about the World Cup 1990, which of course, Germany won. So spoiler alert. Uh, if you're damn you ruined it. You have to go back and watch the 1990 World Cup, Deutsche Land won that one. So I was pretty excited to watch that. And it was a lot of fun. Uh, again, I'm always shocked like the 90s don't feel like they were all that long ago. And when you watch the footage from anything in the 90s, it might as well be in black and fucking white. It just feels like out the quality is so bad. And like the digital, not even digital graphics, the graphics that they put up for everything. It's just like. No, there's no way that this should feel that old, but it really does. Uh, then I watched the Angel City documentary, which is a multi part documentary about the women's team in Los Angeles. That is, um, co-owned by Natalie Portman and a bunch of other women that tried to do a,

52:18do a lot of changes to the way women sports are done. It was very interesting for all of that. And, uh, not to be me, but some pretty nice eye candy throughout this documentary. Not a very pretty. I'm not playing soccer. And, uh, then I watched Game and Glory. By the way, you don't have a chance with any of them. Oh, I know wrong team. Wrong team. Wrong team. Wrong. Yeah. That is, that is true. Also like I might as well be from Italian 1990 for these women were all born in like 2000. So I am Methuselah. I am Matthias Muthuselah to them. Uh, so it was very well done documentary. And then I watched Game and Glory and other multi part documentary, which, um, was done as the lead into the 2026 World Cup, uh, where two, uh, two soccer enthusiasts. What an ex player. I want a journalist went around to a bunch of different countries, um, just exploring their soccer culture in each country. So all of them were really great. Uh, I enjoyed all three of them and it was time it passed the flight.

53:21So well done. Sweet, sweet. Uh, did you get a chance to watch Star Trek Strange New World's season four episode 10 tomorrow's enterprise? The finale of the season. I did. I watched that the night before we flew it, uh, it dropped and I watched it all stayed up a little bit later than I probably should have with a four a.m. wake up call for my flight, but I did. I watched it. Uh, a very enjoyable episode. I liked it. I thought it was one of the best of the season personally. Yeah. Definitely. And I thought it was interesting that they jumped ahead a year. So you get to see Kirk as, you know, did they because they're breaking a lot of cannon. If that's the way it really goes. That's what I mean. So it's, but, but they started to bring in the fashion and the hairstyles. Yes. Of, you know, the original series. So it's like a nurse chapel with her 60s. Do it was amazing. Yeah. Not and becoming nurse chapel because nurse chapel in Strange New World is kind of wishy washy. Mimmy, mimmy, mimey, but when she gets to tomorrow's enterprise, she's like a ballbuster like chapel was in, you know, the original series.

54:24So, you know, people change. There's a lot of, there's a lot of personality change that were very subtle that I thought were extremely well done. There were a lot of background characters that they threw into that people went bat shit for and stuff like that. Stuff that they brought in people from like the animated enterprise. Yeah. What the hell's up with that? I don't know. It was very well done. And yes, I'm aware of a lot of the criticism. That's not how black holes work. It's science fiction. It's science fiction. Yes. Yes. It's, we don't have transporters either people. We don't have transporters. We don't have tractor beams. Sorry. And we don't have replicators. And yeah, and we don't have a government that is not based on money where everybody has a chance at a nice life and things like that. Basically everything good that Star Trek talks about we don't have. So we don't have any. Shut up. We were getting close to having some of it. It's all gone now. God damn it. Now we've got super intelligence. Great. Hmm. But we also have the diplomat coming for season four, I think October 15th.

55:30So I'm looking forward to it. And they're trying to keep the pace up. So, you know, Alison Janney coming back as press. I'm looking. I'm happy that she's, she's there now, you know, ended on the cliffhanger. I'm happy about it. Can't wait to see it again. That's great. Show. I'm going forward to it as well. Yes. And meta is getting back into immersive entertainment with new VR glasses that are five times lighter than the Quest three and get rid of the controllers and favor of hand tracking. Most of the computing hardware has been moving to a puck that clips to your pocket or bag. So you're not strapping an entire computer to your face just to watch a movie because movies are a big part of the pitch. These are the first IMAX enhanced certified VR glasses supporting proper IMAX aspect ratios along with Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos and 3D. So meta says it's not looking to replace the movie theaters. Of course, not. Of course, they are. They're lying. But to give you something closer to theatrical experience, what's a movie leaves the theaters. Now, this is one of the things that I thought that, you know, the, the Apple

56:31Vision Pro was going to be good at. And everybody I've talked to you said, yeah, it's really good at that. So if this wasn't a meta product, I would be excited for it. But it is. So I'm not God. I'm a dammit. But you still be able to play beat saber with it, and which is going to be even funnier because you don't have controls and you're just using your hands. By the way, I am playing beat saber, honey. Sure you are dear. Sure you are. You get red tube on that thing. I guess you do. I did notice that they're talking about YouTube, peacock, paramount plus and HBO Max are also coming. How much you want to bet your normal subscription will not cover this and you can have will not go more. Yeah, you're going to have to pony up extra. I guarantee. Now comes the fun part where we say thank you to everybody who's donated to the show and makes the show possible over at Patreon. We've got some new patrons fill pickle star Christopher SVS in my Dixie wrecked. Okay.

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59:35Brian, you're leaving money on the floor. I maybe it's got to eat here. Baby's got to eat. Jeeps got a jeeps got a role. Baby's got to eat. So we got some reviews. Time with five stars says I've been browsing your podcast and joined the topics and conversations. I feel a little called out about not listening to the whole podcast all the time. Dude, I listen when I walk my dog. So only like 20 minutes at a time. I have so many things to do. And a day I can't listen for that long. Your dog gets longer walks, man. Yeah, come on. You want to get an atherosclerosis and die on you. Come on. Take that dog 60 minutes. It's good for the heart. Good for the heart. No, thank you. Thank you for the five stars. Appreciate it. Listen, what you can. Yeah. And we got another five star rating. Fun. Listen, a bummer about the segment transitions. I love listening to Jason and Brian's rants on all kinds of topics. Their book recommendations are consistently great too. I'm also always amused by how Dave seems to pop in up in almost every podcast. I follow really miss the jingles between segments though. After so many years, they served as a great mental primer to reset my attention.

1:00:36I've since noticed I've been pausing and falling behind on episodes. Adapt. That was that was an unintended consequence there. What we found was most people would quit when they got to a segment they didn't like and not listen to the rest of the show, which is why they don't exist anymore. Also, it's a pain in the fucking ass. And I'm overworked as it is. So there. But there you go. And a bit of sad news. Peter burn, the singer of the 1980s, synth pop duo, Naked Eyes is died at age 74. Press release announces death states that burn died peacefully in Los Angeles on Monday, September 14th after a brief illness. According to said list FM, Naked Eyes last performed on June 6, 2026 as part of the totally 80s pool party in Las Vegas. Keyboard is Rob Fisher with them, Burm, formed Naked Eyes in the summer set England back in 1982, died in 1999 at the age of 42 after cancer, after surgery for cancer. Both burn and Fisher were an earlier band called neon that included Roland Orzoval and Kurt Smith, who would later form tears or fears. I did not know that. And that is pretty cool.

1:01:38Naked Eyes scored their first hit in 1983 with a synth pop cover of Bert Baccharaq and Hal David's always something there to remind me, which reached number eight and the band's second. And I believe last single promises promises reach number 11 in the summer of 1983. Those two songs were staples on K rock when I was what was nine and 10 years old and great songs. So sad. We're at that age, Jason. We're at that. Yeah, we are always something there to remind me I hear at least three times a week on LA radio. It has not gone away. Yeah, that one's still around promises, promises. I don't think you hear much anymore. I actually like that song better. So it's great song. It's a great song. Great song. Well, until next time, I'm Jason DeFilpo. And I'm Brian Schnellmister. Thanks for listening to Grumpiel Geeks. Get all the links and goodies from today's episode of G.O.G. dot show slash seven six five. Want to keep the grumpiness alive? Toss a few bucks our way at G.O.G dot show slash donate. Every penny helps keep the show on the air. Love the show. Share it. Does a share button in your podcast player use it to spread the grumpiness to friends,

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