A Numbers Game | September 30, 2026 | Hour 3

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1:05So on those idiots who believe in analytics, this is the numbers game with Yolanda Alexander on Vison. Our number three of the numbers game of Vison, these sportsBetting Network Vison.com game plus I heart radio, YouTube TV, series XM Channel 189. Ever you take it to Sim, we appreciate it. Don't we appreciate it? That we do every single day. Yolanda Alexander, that's Kelly Bidlin right there. Still become this hour Todd Wischnev on the WNBA. And more, I don't know if there's more, but certainly the WN. There's always more with Todd. Always more. Oh, is he's got all about Todd Nick Whale. I'm also joining us. Mm hmm. Um, we get tweets here being the book. We're going to look at some baseball props here momentarily. Dr. Van Noesstraat as a lifelong New York Giants fan who still watches every play of their games. I think they signed McCarthy to make a light go off in Darts head. Stop the reckless physical play. Or this guy might be in there and let him show some stuff. He didn't say stuff that made him that pick. He's another word. Knowing you dug elderly gambler warning. A portrait word?

2:07That's right. Warning, Asia Wilson refuses to allow finger pointing by fans pointing a finger as code for coming at her. She does like vicious finger pointing. That's a bad look for Asia Wilson last night. Just drove me crazy. I'm just such a fan. Yeah. Shouldn't exaggerate this too much. I'm a fan of what's done on the court, the WNBA. My guy can't keep up with the rest of it. Why does this league always have some side bar dream? I know. It's a good while. Good God. Stewart Carlin. Just remember the A.T.L. did not get pro sports until 1966. However, college sports rule this city. College allegiances run deep and through generations. Plus as Kelly said, there's always a lot going on in the A.T.L. This includes party city and the Cheetah. Yeah. It's tough in the SEC country, right? Like that. That is very true with the college sports. I mean, you'd say the same thing about Orlando, Florida. Right. I think about that all the time with Orlando Jacksonville. It's been the same sort of way. I think you missed his quip about party city and the Cheetah. I got it. I got it.

3:07Mike and Mike, the, oh Mike has something to say about the Duran thing. Yesterday, he said Duran was clearly shook up after that line drive. He had his glove. He's talking about Michael Harris. Two out. Infield single off of Duran. Oh no, the previous play where he went right to, I think it was Olsen. That went right to Duran's glove. Accuracy went way down hill after that. Donnie messed up. Donnie baseball. Why not give him a chance to calm down and lower his heart rate with a mound of his it? Well, I don't think me. I think that's a little bit result oriented, but okay. In A.B.R.O.N. Why does Spor always insist the Phillies have a good bullpen? What is he watching? They've been awful all year and this is coming from a die hard. Why do you think they had to bring Duran in for the seventh? Because you can't trust anyone else or make that anyone. Did he say that? Did I, maybe I missed that. I missed it if he said it. I'm on my apologies. And then Buddhist man, the fact that you hung out with guys like this and you're not as well known as them, that's Gil talking to a Blair Robin about the famous people he knew hung out with. You better hope Nifty ate listening today show. He's going to give crack in your full. That's right.

4:08Crack will let Nifty on the show. All right, let's go to the NLCS and ALCS MVP. So we found these, right? We can bet on these. Yeah, shout out MGM. I just pulled up the, I just pulled up the application on my phone, Gil. So we can easily check it for longer shots today. Full use of app application. That's right. Well done. Actually, why am I making fun of them? The only one who actually has a website in this state. Yes, true. That's true. Sorry, MGM. So NLCS MVP, we talked about some stat leaders in the playoffs yesterday. And that had a lot to do with as we talked about, it's sort of multi-layered handicap. Because you got to figure out with stat leaders, because they're just counting stats. We talked specifically about homers and about strikeouts. All right, which teams aren't playing in the wild card round? Which teams do you think are getting out of the wild card round that that are playing in it? You have to figure those things out to get stat leader bets correct. Schlittler down to plus 350 to lead in strikeouts at MGM.

5:09Yeah. Mizz still plus 325 favorites. Schlittler had 10 yesterday if I'm not mistaken. Yes. And then Ben Rice with two. Hover. He is 6 to 1 as his show Aotani to be your postseason home run leader. As soon as Tatees jacked that first pitch out, I was like, why did I bet Tatees? Yeah, I thought I thought the same thing. Yeah, sure. Andrew did too. I think all of us coming off his bat. I'm like, I'm an idiot. All I did was sit here yesterday and listen to you and like four other people talking about for Nado Tatees, but really good. Oh, well, I said yesterday. If it's if it's not PCA or your dawn, he's the best from June. He might be the best player in baseball offensively apologies to PCA. Certainly up there that conversation odds to win NLCS MVP that said, this has nothing to do with figuring out who's not in the wild car round, who's coming out of the wild car round. This is just you got to figure out who's going to be in the NLCS and then go from there. Obviously the Dodgers and the Brewers are the favorites to get to the National League

6:12Championship series. That is why you will see the top seven names being Dodgers or Brewers. Show Hayes plus four 50. Jackson Churios 12 to 1. Tariq Skubel's 13 to 1. Yashinobu Yamamoto's 13 to 1. The Miz is 15 to 1. Mookie 16 to 1. William Contreras at 19 to 1. Only then do you get to the wild car teams of Mad Olsen and Ronald Likuni Jr. for the Braves and then Tatees Jr. of the Padres. Both of those teams up one nothing. That's why you see Braves and Padres co-zied up to the Dodgers and Brewers. So all that makes sense mathematically. But if you think it's going to be the Dodgers and the Brewers, I mean, Likshouhei's short by a long shot. I don't know if there's a bet I make here. Okay, can we play this out? Because we are after one game, right? So if you were looking to bet a brave or a Padre, would it be better at this point to just wait till this series is over? No, I think if you think the Dodgers, like Paul Spores, very high on the Padres,

7:16I think the Padres are sweeping. It's funny to say about two games, but I think they're getting out of their series tonight against the cups. I think they're winning both games. And I think they're going to be moving on to the next round. If you think the Padres are getting to the NLCS, bet Tatees Jr. right now. 22 to 1. Okay, I'll let bring it up because I think it's interesting. It's situations like this to look at some of the players on the teams that are down a game. On the other hand, what? Like, like, sure, 66 to 1. Yeah, I mean, if they get out of this series, that number is what? 20 sub 20. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly certainly. How many are you gambling more? Six of your number. Yeah, I don't know. I just, you know, yeah, same principle though. If you, if it has to do with your handicap, it's not quite as interesting as yesterday's handicap with the stat leaders, but it is just, yeah, who do you think's getting there? Like PCAs 40 to 1. If you were high on the Cubs, let's do it for the American League Championship series. So here's a little different right because while we,

8:18while the brewers and Dodgers are solid one, two's most would say, right? Solid one, two seeds in the NL above the fray, generally, not really the case with the rays and the guardians, right? People have less confidence in the guardians for sure, let's say. Not everybody, but many do. So junior Camonero of the raises plus 450. He's got the show, hey, number on the AL side. If you assume the number one seed, raise are going to get to the ALCS. Just got to win a best of five series in their case, as with all the teams that had buys in the first round. But then it's the next three out of the four Yankees. Judge who's not even playing is plus 950 right now, right? Because as long as he plays in the ALCS, it doesn't matter that he's not playing now. If you think the Yankees are getting there, Ben Rice, remember, different from sat leaders, whether we were talking about he has two home runs, those two home runs don't matter. It's just about the performance in the ALCS itself. Ben Rice is 12 to 1 for ALCS MVP. Then Jose Ramirez of the guardians is there at 13 to 1.

9:19Then it's Schlippler at 14 to 1 before you get back to Yandhi Diaz of the raise at 22 to 1. How about you're down at 25 to 1, down 1 nothing in the wild card round? And then a trio of guardians after that. What's interesting here is, so I typed these up like three hours ago, probably a little bit more. We have seen Rice, he is down to 8 to 1 now, doesn't surprise me after last night. And Schlippler down to 10 to 1. Doesn't surprise me after last night. Yeah. But again, those performances don't count towards this. That's just why I wanted to bring it up. Yeah, that doesn't matter, but okay. I don't know. I mean, though we can do this for World Series MVP too, right? Let's just do it around later. Then it really is about the number one seed Dodgers and Rays, respectively NLA. You will see a bunch of, I mean, look how many Dodgers are in this. It's incredible. We list 14 here on the screen. Six of them are Dodgers.

10:21Three of them are Brewers. Three of them are Yankees. The only Atlanta Brave here is Matt Olson, which is a little surprising, because it's not like he's really had a good end of year. Don't really get that. By the way, Kyle Tucker's 35 to 1. What's that all about? Shoes the short shot plus 650 Caminaro 10 to 1. And then, you know, the names we just went through at the top of the CS boards are here in the World Series. They'll say all this to say, I don't know that there's, you have a gambling dollar. There are things you have to bet on, right? You have to make decisions about your gambling dollar. I don't know that there's, this isn't football, right? We used to say when the, when the playoffs started in the NFL, there used to be ways, right? You know, let's say the first year of the Chiefs were in it. Before we knew that Patrick Behomes was as spectacular, generationally great as we, as we know him to be now, you could bet Super Bowl MVP by proxy early in the playoffs and get a better number on Mahomes than you could achieve themselves.

11:22Super Bowl by proxy up and also in the NFL, the big thing, of course, is quarterback more important than any other position. Okay. Here, we don't quite have this in baseball completely. And I'm with you. I don't think there's anybody I'm running to, but I will ask you in the kind of long those same lines of thinking, right, with Mahomes that we did show, hey, what, what, is there a chance he pitches? Do we think he's pitching if so? By this point, I don't know if so, maybe bullpen though. Okay. I just wonder if still that's enough to, if he just makes him the clear cut Dodger. I don't think there's a, that's the thing about baseball. I don't think there's a clear cut anything in baseball like there is in football. So it just makes it more hunchy. Unless you think, well, unless you think, hey, look, I think the brewers are winning and they're going to win in seven. And so I'm going to get three out of the miz. And so 22 to one on the miz, that's the play. Mm-hmm. I totally get behind that thinking. It just has to correspond to your team handicap and your path. And if your path is the brewers get there and they win it in seven and the miz gets three spectacular

12:27outings, that's your guy. Same could be said for Schlippler, right? Same could be said for anybody as long as that team is set up to go. 147 with their ace. I think those, I think those of the ways you have to think these through. A little bit different of a handicap than a stat leader. Exercise went through yesterday. Todd Wischnev on the other side, WNBA. Oh, Caitlin Clark's phenomenal performance might have made his head explode. Find out next. Seven million Californians depend on community health clinics for their care. But Proposition 44 cuts billions from clinics. Under 44, hundreds of clinics will close and health services will be eliminated. That's why Prop 44 is opposed by nurses, doctors and patients. Vote no on the clinic shutdown proposition. No, on 44. Add paid for by no on prop 44. Stop the attack on patients and community health clinics, sponsored by California Primary Care Association Advocates. Add committee's top funders, ultimate health services, and California Primary Care Association Advocates. Hey, what's up guys? It's Hayley Bailey.

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15:29from Pittsburgh PA. What's happening, Todd? Hey, Gilly. Have you ever been on a text thread? And somebody says, oh, terrible pick on the bears. That is just the worst pick. How could you, you don't even know who would back up quarterback? It's just a horrible, horrible pick. Have you ever been on that kind of text read? When your whole pick was based on Ben Johnson, being able to coach up whoever the backup was, whether it was Badgent or Case Keeneman, please don't tell me you guys have different markups for how many points case Keeneman versus Badgent, please stop right there with that nonsense. Okay. And then the bears go out and blow the doors off the Eagles. Oh, terrible pick. Shall we say? I'm not going to say who I'm directing this to, but you might know. See, people think you were talking about me, but you're not. You're talking about, of course, because Todd is obsessed with killing him every time he comes on the show. Steve Fesson. Well, he, no, he kills me every time he goes on with you.

16:30So I am going to, when he, if he's going to act like a retard, okay? First of all, we don't use them. Nobody said his picks. We don't use them. I'm sorry. If he's going to act like a person with mentally challenged faculties, then I am going to say something because it's ridiculous. Nobody said his picks aren't bad. It's when he gets overly confident and overly crazy, like in this scenario, that he has to be called out to stop his nonsense. Okay. I agree. You get out of your system? You good? Yeah. Feel good? Yeah, sure. I'm fine. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm doing great. Now we're able to begin the segment. W bears 27 seven bears with Gays Keenah. Apparently we were already disappointed. All right. Let me ask you, let me ask you about the W. I was making this point yesterday on the show that, you know, maybe it took a decade, maybe because it took this long for the talent to spread out league wide enough where this became a thing. But like the NBA some 45 years ago, the W NBA is going to figure out, and I think they're figuring it out the hard way.

17:32The best of threes ain't the way, man. You're going to lose some teams along the way. Now somebody tweeted it earlier, they said, hey, man, gillips, the links played the Liberty 15 times, they weren't going to win this series. Maybe, maybe not. But certainly in best of threes, you run the risk of losing, in this case, the links are already gone, having been swept, if you will, swept in quotes, two to nothing by the Liberty. But also there's Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark staves off and the fever stave off elimination last night against the aces with a 27.15 assist seven rebound performance that probably made Todd Wishnabs head explode off his body. Do you agree with me that they got to get rid of the best of threes? Oh, first of all, what are we going to go to 82 game schedule now? They play for him now. They're going to play 52 games. Now we have to have best of seven. Why don't we have best of nine? Why don't we have best of 18? You didn't say best of five as I noticed you. You skipped over that number to make a stupid argument. But yeah, no, best of five.

18:33So why not best of five? I'm just this I would like to disagree. Can I just am I allowed to disagree? You can, but you can't skip over five randomly to seven. Best of fives and no one said anything about 82 games. I guess best of five could be better. But I would assume it's for the same reason they only have a 44 game regular season, which is why I brought that up. Why do they only have a 44 regular game season? That's I guess there's a reason for that, right? But whatever it may be, I don't really have a problem. And with me, I feel like playoffs being too long is an epidemic already. I can't stand everything as a best of seven and have been 18,000 rounds and all that. I like when there's pressure right there right from the get go. That's why I love the NCAA tournament. It's one game and you're out, baby. You're out. You have a bad game. You're gone. So I like it when a series is shortened. Me personally as a viewer now. No, that's by the way, that's fine. I completely respect and appreciate your opinion.

19:33All I'm saying is, yeah, the option is not to go to seven. The option would be just a little longer than that. But okay, what's your next point? Yeah, I'd be I'm not going to disagree with you. I mean, you could go to best of five. That would be fine with me. But I just surprised. I'm just surprised that the WNBA doesn't care more about that. To just try to show off more of its stars now that the leagues kind of grown into it. In other words, let's take my casual fan friend, Tommy in DC, right? Tommy loves Caitlin Clark. He represents a whole bunch of people. If she's gone in two or three games, Tommy's out, right? Whereas if she, you know, you just you just want to keep it a little longer for fans, but I don't know, you know, the WNBA seems to. I mean, if she's out, so then why don't we just make it so that she can never get a technical foul or never lose or anything? I mean, if that's what this is all about, it's keeping Tommy watching. You know what's true Tommy? I could care less about Tommy and the casual Caitlin Clark fan. I like the WNBA before there was Caitlin Clark.

20:34Why do you? Why do you care? So I could care less about why do you? No, I don't hate her at all. I don't hate her at all. I don't like people like other people on our text thread who have no information. Don't watch the games and then they just fall into the ridiculous narratives. I won't pension any day. I'm going to fix it now. Who are you? It's not you. It's not you. It's not the evil Stevie. Uh huh. And it's not Christopher Faleca, but I'll tell you maybe you could figure out who I believe. The guy has a pension. He has a pension for one and two's on the megapod. Maybe that would get you. Remember who it is, but he he falls for the narrative sometimes. And I disagree with him with him's falling for it. But whatever. It's all good. I have no problem with Caitlin. I actually like Caitlin Clark. I just think she's a little too reshade wallacy. And I don't appreciate that. And she did it last night too and taking a ridiculous technical. Now they got away with it because they played great and they won the game. I just wish she would, you know, maybe just play ball and stop all the whining. Okay. Tonight the Valkyries are four and a half point road favorites.

21:38And and the dream, the Atlanta dream or four and a half point road favorites as they look to close out their respective best of three series. I know you're not as much of a pre-flop guy as you're in game. But if I said to you Todd, you must make a pre-flop bet on either of those which side would you go with? Is Case Keenam in the game? He is not. Ben Johnson's not coaching. I think the Valkyries are going to blow the doors off the wings. Actually, I've been losing every WNBA bet. But the other day I lost a couple and then I bet the Valkyries second quarter team total over. And I didn't even post it on my discord because I've been losing every time. And they scored a million because Dallas doesn't play defense. And the Valkyries are going to play defense and they can score if you're not going to play defense. Anyone can score on Dallas. I don't really see the Valkyries losing here. I think this is going to be over two zero. The Valkyries are very good. People just don't realize how good the Valkyries are. Did you say you're looking at it as far as? And as far as? And as far as? On the dream.

22:39Oh, that's what I saw earlier. Is it not the fourth one? Down to, down? No, it was. Yeah. Bet down to three or two and a half at Caesars. Okay. So Mystics money coming in. Mystics money. What do you think about that? The thing with the Mystics, the Mystics, and they call themselves the young hose, if you know, and I'm not saying anything bad, they literally call themselves that. So anyways, the Mystics, I'm just giving you some inside WNBA stuff. Thank you. Appreciate it. The Mystics, it's like a known thing like the coach that the whole thing about it. He didn't want to say that. Jesus. Okay. And then the coach said he's okay with it. It was like a whole thing. It was very un-mechanical. But anyways, it's kidnaps a whole. Go on. Anyways, anyways, the Mystics really came on. Second half of the season, they really came on strong. They played real good, deep, and they got Shakira Austin in the middle, who's playing really well. They play well as a team. The only thing is the dream might be the most talented team out of all.

23:40And I'm saying that even with the fever left and even with the aces left, but with Rein Howard, Alicia Gray, and Jordan Canada, and they've just got a lot of talented players on that team. The thing is that the Mystics are young. So I think they're, they just not ready yet for this level of playoff. And that's what happened. They got out to a lead in the first half, but it was because they shot six for 10 from three. The dream had shot really poorly from three. And then of course the dream blew him out in the second half, which is a classic pattern in basketball. But I wouldn't be surprised if this was also two-o, just because of the, and they got to want a boner now. The dream picked up the one-o-boner and they're all saying how, oh, her playoff experience is helping us so much and blah, blah, blah. And so I think the dream will finish him off. And I wouldn't be shocked if the dream won it all, honestly. And boy, the links, wow. What an absolute, just disastrous situation for the poor links, but we gotta go.

24:40What's your instinct tomorrow night aces for to have point favorite against the fever? Five seconds. I think the aces will gut it out. Geez. I think it's going to be a real tight game, but I think the aces will gut it out. I think you're right. Thank you, Todd. Appreciate it. Todd, wish to have everybody. The number is game on Vsyn. Vs4's betting network. Oh, they smears. Is he gone yet? Tom's great. By the way, if you're serious about betting, you need edge boost. The financial platform built specifically for players. A Vsyn debit card with no usage fees. No more decline deposits. No waiting on bank transfers. Edge Boost gives you real time access to your funds 24, 7, 365. Even on nights, weekends and holidays, use it across all your favorite sports, books, prediction markets. DFS platforms, optimized for license, US gaming, land based and online. Earned up to 0.5% cashback on eligible deposits. And daily deposit limits up to $5 million per transaction. New users. Sign up with promo code Vsyn.

25:41Make a minimum $100 deposit into your edge boost account. And edge boost will match your deposit up to $100. Smart away to manage your gaming bankroll. Head to edge boost.io. And use promo code Vsyn to get started today. This is what's ridiculous, they ever. This is cute. You, you, you, you're the one that had me laughing, actually. It was the just move on. What do we have to do in shows for six or seven years now together? Every now and then there is, there is a time where Gilles says something that I'm just sitting here thinking that the words being screamed in my mind. That was, that was it today. This is just, yeah, no, we got, we got to just move on. He goes, no, no, Gille Boge, you don't understand this. I didn't come up with, no, I got it. Just continue. String fellow hawk. Okay, also lifelong giants fan here. They trade from McCarthy because Dart seems to be a Faberj egg. Looks good to fragile. They can't, if they can't develop McCarthy, they'll have two disposable quarterbacks in a couple of seasons. I hate them. Wow, he says, and Scatable have run himself down to a nub by that point.

26:45The last part I agree with, I think there's, man, I think I would be a lot more hopeful if I was a giant fan out there about Jackson Dart. Well, they're optimism has turned quickly. And Don, Don CD3, and he thoughts on the veil on this available on draftings. Oh, it's a World Series double chance. Two teams to win the title. They have that market available so you can do like brewers and Dodgers, brewers or Dodgers plus 115, that kind of thing. I'd have to look at it more. Don, but that's cool. Look at it more and more. Yeah. Yeah. Um, chance copper pot. Wish they've Wednesdays is one of the best segments on Vison. When can we get two or three segments instead of one? He surely has more to say, and that's what people want. I think you had a great example of why we reduce it to one segment moments ago. Yep, yep. Yep. We love Todd. If you want more, Megapod every week, every week. Beating the book podcast. Thanks. Jared still. I didn't have Todd, he dropped in, uh, yeah, no, he shouldn't have said that word. On air on my numbers game, drinking game cards. I'm scoring it as a clear physics lander, however, drink. There's that. And then Charlie, Charlie, D USA number one,

27:47Todd acting like Francis's day as in light enough Francis from for previous movies Kevin Ryan, Gil Pratt, Caleb, going down, Fez released the bears as a pick. Then he pounded the Eagles afterwards as he become the handicapper that releases both teams of the same game. So he is right 50% of the time. Oh, interesting. We'll have to do a special numbers game investigation. Nick Whalen joins us now. He of course is senior writer at Roto Wire. Also a prop points host. Certain times of year with Jeff Erickson, Nick joins us now courtesy of the progressive guest line. Nick, good morning, sir. Good morning, guys. Good morning. Uh, yeah, prop points out of season for me as a host, I suppose. And, uh, you know, watching that previous segment, I think I have big shoes to fill. We got people asking for two, three wish to have segments. So tough act to follow. No, no, no, you're fine. Trust me. Yeah, you're good. You're good. Good, Whalen. All right. You and me, we were very sympathico last week. I think mixed results on being sympathico. We are. We are. Oppo here on the Panthers and Lions. You like the Lions minus three and a half.

28:48Caroline injuries factor in here. I would imagine. It's a big part of the equation. Yeah. And you know, we're still early enough in the season that maybe I'm clicking to my priors too much, but I do like this Lions team. And like you said, Panthers are banged up all over the place. They're down both starting tackles. I lost one of their starting guards last week. So three starting offensive linemen expected to be out this week. Jalen coakers, Abier LeGat could both sit out. Jonathan Brooks, of course, is on IR. We'll see on Devin Lloyd. He might make his return this week. That would be big. But JC Horn is heading to IR. Mike Jackson went out last week. So they could be without, you know, one of the best corner duos in the NFL. And just not what you want to see against the Lions offense that's averaging over 30 points per game. They're six in offense of EPA. They're third and success rate fourth in EPA. Purpose. Of course, Alliance defense is a major issue. They've given up the most points in the NFL. So I do expect Carolina to move it, especially if Jalen coaker is out there. But I think this could look a little bit like week one against the Bears. I'm not saying we're going to get 59 out of Detroit, where maybe they're going score for score for two and a half, three quarters.

29:51But at the end of the day, I think this Detroit offense is just going to be a little bit too much. Carolina, by the way, dead last in rushing yards per attempt allowed so far. All right, a couple unders from you this week and week four Nick. Miami, Minnesota. I think I know where that one's going. And then the, uh, the interesting one to me is the chargers and the Seahawks. Yeah, I guess we'll go quickly on Miami, Minnesota. And I know Kelly got a better number on this earlier in the week. But I'll still play the under at 39 and a half. You know, you got the Viking's defense, which looks like the best unit in the NFL so far. Gets Malik Willis, a rookie head coach, the worst roster in football. And now no Devon HN for the rest of the year. Vikings offense has also been terrible. 27th in EPA 31st in success rate. Miami, 32nd in that category. Minnesota dead last in passing success rate after that performance. I guess we can call it by Colin Murray last week. Jordan Mason still on IR, just a Jefferson could end up sitting this week. If it's a 50 50 call, you got the Miami dolphins at home. Maybe you sit him out. So, you know, much like Kansas City did last week.

30:52I think this is the Vikings just kind of bleeding out the dolphins defensively over the course of four quarters. And then Chargers Seahawks, you know, 43 and a half is the best number I could find. Chargers three and 0 to the under so far this year. Seattle two and one to the under. Very weird game last week for the Seahawks. As you know, Gil gave up 33 to Washington. But turn it over three times, including a crushing pick six. They're the first team in like four years to have an 85 plus percent success rate on both sides of the ball and find a way to lose that game. I look at the Chargers as a team that kind of had their opportunity a week ago to get their season back on the rails. Somehow couldn't capitalize on five Buffalo Bills turnovers. You know, teams with a plus four turnover differential or better win about 97 percent of the time over the last 15 years. So that kind of tells you where the Chargers are at right now. Now you got to travel from Buffalo all the way out to Seattle. Take on an elite defense coming off of the loss. So I don't think this is a week where we see the Chargers get back on track and Seattle to me. Outside of Jackson Smith, the jigbar who's off to an all-time start. It kind of feels like a one man offense. You know, Jadarian Price found himself in the doghouse last week that running game

31:55hasn't been great. So I don't necessarily see this as a spot where Seattle is putting up a ton of points on a Chargers defense. That hasn't been great, but it's been about league average. And it has been putting some really bad spots so far. All right. So Lions minus three and a half at Carolina. And then the Dolphins Vikings under 39 and a half Chargers Seahawks under 43 and a half. These aren't official plays, but you also lean Buffalo and you lean Kansas City. Laying the points in their respective games. Yeah, I by the end of the week, I'll probably get there. And you know, with Buffalo, it's just, you know, I think five turnovers a week ago. That was the opportunity for for them to trip up. They still win that game fairly comfortably. They're up to scores in the fourth quarter. They're not going to have that kind of turnover. Bad luck again this week. And you know, you look at an England team that I think we certainly valued higher coming into the year. They've shown us almost nothing in these three games. Even the win over Pittsburgh. I didn't think Drake May was very good. And I think this is a pretty tough spot to ask him to try to get his confidence back in a game where you feel like you got to score 30 plus to have any chance to win. So there's not really an easy, uh, easy spot for for Drake May to kind of ease back in and rebuild

33:00whatever confidence he's lost. I think the bills kind of blitzed the Patriots in that one. And then Chiefs Raiders, you know, this is, this is one where I'm willing to lay the four and a half with Kansas City. Obviously, I love what the Raiders are doing so far, but they played Miami. They played a Chargers team that turned out to not be very good. And they played the New Orleans state. So I think it could be anybody, but can lose to anybody in any given week. So this is a huge jump up in class. The main reason though that I like Kansas City is, you know, you look at this Raiders defense. And the numbers, you know, would say it's been a borderline top five unit so far. One, I think we have to consider opponent quality. And then two, they're forcing turnovers at just a wildly unsustainable rate. Nine turnovers forced so far, highest turnover rate in the league. The success rate numbers, if you dig in on those, would tell you they're closer to an average defense. And again, that's against mediocre competition. So I think this is a pretty nice spot for Kansas City to lean on Kenneth Walker, win this game. On the road and you know, the Raiders once again, they were the worst rushing team in the NFL. Last year, they're struggling around the ball. That last and success rates on the ground only Green Bay as a worst rushing EPA figure so far. All right, let's get to the props.

34:01Let's go to 30 seconds on each of these London town, Tottenham, Hotspur Stadium, Keenan Allen and the Colts against Washington. You have a Keenan Allen prop. Look at the over three and a half perceptions for Keenan Allen. 21% team target share so far had nine targets a week ago. No, Alec Pierce, of course. And this Washington defense has been solid against the run so far. They've been terrible against the past. They've given up the most production, the most catches, two wide receivers so far. Third highest catch rate allowed behind only 10 to see in Miami. So three and a half, feels like a pretty good number for Keenan Allen in a game where I think the Colts are going to have to throw. Jamar Chase against your Jaguars. Yeah, this is a game I'm seeing away from in terms of the side. You could kind of talk me into either way, but I look at this Jaguar's defense and the EPA numbers look great right now for Jacksonville, but they forced six turnovers so far three last week. You look at the success rate, the yardage, the yards per attempt numbers are not as friendly for that Jags defense. So I think this will be a very big test for a unit that so far is faced to Sean Watson,

35:02Bownick's and the ghost of Drake, Mae Jamar Chase had a huge game with Jake Browning playing much of that last year early in the season. So I like the over 77 and a half receiving yards for Jamar Chase. And then back to the Lions and the Panthers. Jamar Gibbs has been everything we thought he could be. Which prop have you decided to play with him this week? I'm going to the rushing and receiving yards combo over 134 in a half. It's a big number, but he's averaging almost 28 touches per game. Guys, obviously that's tops in the NFL 35 more touches than Christian McCaffrey through three games to put that in perspective. He's 10th in the NFL and receptions as the same number of catches as Jamar Chase. And look, we talked about all those injuries on the Panther's defense. And I did care a lot. I could keep this close enough that we'll see another heavy dose of Jamar Gibbs this week. Hey, Nick, thanks for keeping it clean, man. We appreciate it. Always a pro anytime, guys. I do my best. Nick Whale and everybody at Whale and just substitute the number one for the letter L. Well, we kept the bets next. Seven million Californians depend on community health clinics for their care. But Proposition 44 cuts billions from clinics under 44.

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37:07The number is game on Vsyn. Vs4 is betting network. It is a numbers game. Live from Cirque Resort, Casino, Data, Las Vegas, Kill Alexander, Kelly, Bidlin. Ooh, buddy. Lose a weight. Keeping that weight off, I should say. Not losing anymore weight. Keeping that weight off. Good for you. Try and maintaining as easy as not as easy, but as as no less challenging than losing. More more challenging. Oh, it's more challenging. I'm coming off the drugs. So it's been tough. You are coming off. Yeah, good for you. Dallin back. So just trying to get into that maintain mode. Like you're talking about good for you. We get sweet speed to the book. Ryan Hyatt really enjoying Don I miss on with Gill and Kelly. This hour. It's Don I was. That's right. Don I miss on the show just before a dick whale. Dr. Van Noesstraat. Don't know how this will go over with Gilly, but Todd's attitude and don't give a you know what attitude about things. Make him my all time favorite guest. He just tells it like it is or as he sees it. Good day boys. Yeah, I you know, I should say this one because Dr. Van Noesstraat couches it that way. You understand Dr. Van Noesstraat.

38:08I am the entire reason that Todd Wishing of his foisted upon you. Both here and on the Megapod. I absolutely love the kid. Part of the joy of this is how much he annoys me. I don't know if people understand this kind of. This kind of. I think most. Yeah, I most. But this is why it's like we bicker like two kids. You like brothers. Yeah, Los Vegas by one for yo. T wish to have speaks the truth. I Yugo's cheekily phrase that reflects their youthful fun and carefree Gen Z locker room culture. Let us pray for our young people. Sheesh. Mick Jackson. Todd is an absolute beauty. Is case Keedham in the lineup? I almost spit out my drink classic. Norman knowledge. That is your real name. Norman knowledge. One of all time Vs and one of the all time great Vs and segments on a numbers game. Wishing of dropping the R word and young Hosen watching Gil struggle to get a lid on him. Historically funny. Man, I love this show. Thank Norman knowledge. Just just move on man. Just okay. Just move on. Good.

39:08You see Keel in case you missed it earlier. I'm not sure you understand. I did not come up with it. No, I got it Todd. Just continue. By the way, I don't necessarily agree with it. By the way, what happened after the segment is Todd has texted both me and Kelly. The actual origin of this story as if we can. Tom F your face while Todd explain the veracity of a WNBA team's nickname was priceless. He is a gem. And then James she and senior interesting Todd W calls out Caitlin Clark for behavior on court at the same time. Asia Wilson acts like a jerk that has become for some reason the way the WNBA seems to roll. Yet Todd has as a as a slant doesn't he? Feels like it. This is this is I don't know all of this is why he. All the discussion around the WNBA all the time. Talk about it. You have a good product right? The play on the court is awesome to watch. It's fun to watch. It's fun to see these girls complete. These ladies complete. Yeah. compete. Why all the drama? It also like I don't think it will be this way,

40:09you but it also might be like the best crop of players you will ever have. I don't think it will be the case, but I think it'll keep getting better and better, but it certainly is the best you've ever had. Right. To date. How about uh can I mention an NBA story for you quick? I guess. All these teams reporting to camps will allow it. All these teams reporting to camps. Josh Hart you remember him breaking his finger in the playoffs last year? I do not, but okay. Actually wait this goes back a couple years. I was going to say I don't remember that this year. Josh Hart says you'll have to keep his right ring finger taped for the rest of his NBA career. The only surgery that can fix Hart's finger is a joint rich replacement joint replacement. He's got his title. What does he care? Which would force him to retire? That's wild. Josh Hart from. Fill it over. Sidwell Friend School. That's right. Wisconsin Avenue. Wisconsin Avenue Washington DC. Where I once witnessed a player on a breakaway lamp throw the ball over the backboard.

41:10Oh really? Oh it's awesome. Shout out to you John Sample. All the picks by the way every guest. Well I should start every host every guest every sport at reason.com slash picks for survive for subscribers. Vison Pro intro offer still in full effect side of now for as little as 999 daily best bets. Exclusive betting splits AI powered prop tools and match analysis access to all of our betting guides. But remember daily best bets at the top of that list. Vison.com slash subscribe. Speaking of which again tennis guy. I got I got beaten tennis last night too. Had the had the Davidovich for Keena winner Sunday night in. In Shungdu China as a dog and then yesterday hit on the men's side again with. Hatchin off current hatching off as a dog against Felix Oji Ali seam. All four women's matches I lost. I know what's going on. All of a better betting the men in the fall. That's where it is. It's just completely reverses.

42:11I don't know what's going on with the hard court numbers but they are not working out. That's tough and not working. You and I talk about it on a lot of breaks man picking our spots here in the fall when it comes to tennis and golf. All right this this feels like an extended break here. But we got a we got a 1000 Beijing and 1000 and Wuhan coming up on the lady side here. In the NFL Vikings minus nine and a half minus one 13 against the dolphin. Seahawks minus six and a half. Is my play there minus 123 Panthers plus three and a half versus the Lions. Jags plus three against the Bengals. Those are my four in pocket national football league week number four plays also. Panthers plus three and a half is my favorite play of yours so far this season that I am not joining you on. Oh thank you. Just some of those injuries like we discussed with Whalen. I'm like, I have a little if you know man. Chargers last winless 11 to one Vikings last undefeated 11 to one. And I like my chances of extending the chargers winless and the Vikings undefeated this week. Mm hmm.

43:11As you see is one of five winlaces and one of five undefeated currently in the national football league. Those are great markets. Remember we hit Carolina last winless few years back years ago. Two years ago. Two years ago. We're the D. Yeah. At 15 to one. Uh world series matchups Red Sox Phillies. Life support. Life support. Philly series price plus one 15 life support. Red Sox series price versus the Yankees plus one 38. Life support. But I do like the fact that we got Christopher Sanchez today for the Phillies for sure. And I like the Red Sox man. I like the matchup. I like the red size getting off the Schneid and enforcing a game three where I think they will have the starting pitch up pitching matchup. I already think they have the bullpen advantage. Padre series price that one well yesterday. Minus 140 versus the Cubs. I even got a bad number. But Padre's man. I just think that's the one. I think three of these four series are going to a third game. I don't think the Padre's Cubs is. I just think the Cubs are cooked. Padre's too good in that bullpen. Kelly Bidlin's best bets NFL week four bets added a little bit of Jags money line.

44:14I'm just don't know if we're going to see that three or not. But I'm holding back a couple of bullets in case we do see that three. I know you bought you bought up right? Good price though right minus one 22. That's pretty good. Money line plus one 30. I've got them in all kinds of teasers though. Cowboys cardinals six point teaser update and a half on both sides. That was on open. We have seen the Cardinals flip to a favorite in that game. Cowboys, Chad six point teaser, both up to eight and a half. And then I have a 13 point 14 teaser Dallas plus 15 and a half Jacksonville plus 15 and a half Baltimore plus one and a half Kansas City plus eight and a half dolphins Vikings under 42 and a half and then Saints laying the two and a half. Oh, I appreciate how you pounced on that. The Saints Falcons. You did not wait around you like I'm doing it. I just long as it's not three two and a half are in my head man to start the season. I don't know what's going on with the NFL this year. It's just a little weird with that. Yeah, I don't know if that's prediction market money influencing things. I don't know what it is. What was it we just passed the screeners you had a couple more there. Oh, Josh Allen MVP.

45:16Bet that yesterday plus two. I bet that as well. Josh Allen would MVP plus two 50. Oh, here's your other two Phil Philly series price. You had it this morning. So bet that with you yesterday. But you know kind of split that up. We talked about that yesterday with that. You know, while adding to that position here to the small. That's a good call. And then Cam Schleller like the start plus 875 to lead postseason in strike out. You'll take 10 strikeouts. I would take that and then fever. Life support must win situation. Series price over the A's is plus 155 fever to win the WNBA finals plus 985. Here's a call for you. Do you think tomorrow night's A's fever game will be the highest rated WNBA game of all time? Viewing wise. I believe a similar question for you earlier too. Okay, I'm going to go with yes. I think it's a yes. It's a great question. I'm going with the I can't wait. Also is the am I blanking on a Raiders game? Or is this the biggest loss of Vegas Raiders game? Ever by the way, Owen, Owen lost Vegas. Owen has texted me a couple of times.

46:16In code here. Oh, no, it's not. You know what? I have an update. Owen writes signing with the Raiders. Boom breaking news. Let's go. Adjust your fans. Your eyes are pumped. That's great, man. I don't know if that means practice squad or if that means 53. Who cares? It's got a job with a professional football team. Let's go. Oh, it's incredible. NBA futures NBA betting guy being worked on right now. Kind of going back over notes. Always hit it in July and then circle back this time of year. I added to the rockets over when when total. I bet 46 and a half and over the summer added it at 47 and a half here. Yesterday and then I'm in on the jazz. Over 35 and a half wins. Pistons under 50 and a half and bulls over 28 and a half. Love them all still at current numbers. They've moved a couple wins. Will Hill fillies money line today Yankees money line today. He thinks the Yankees closed it out. I think the Phillies extended. He thinks the Phillies extended to three. He also got Jalen Daniels of the box. Rookie the year 80 to one like that. He's also got Florida Missouri College football over 56 and a half. West Virginia plus the points this weekend in college football.

47:19Nick Whalen lions minus three and a half against the Panthers. Dolphin Vikings under 30 and a half. Chargers Seahawks under 43 and a half. From Nick and then his props. Keenan Allen over three and a half receptions in London against the skins. Jamar chase over 77 and a half receiving yards for the Bengals against his Jaguars and Jameer Gibbs over 134 and a half rushing and receiving yards for the lions against the Panthers. We've done all we can do. Prop points is next. John hits right here at Vison. These sports betting network. Seven million Californians depend on community health clinics for their care. But Proposition 44 cuts billions from clinics. Under 44. Hundreds of clinics will close and health services will be eliminated. That's why Prop 44 is opposed by nurses, doctors and patients. Vote no on the clinic shutdown proposition. No on 44. Add paid for by no on Prop 44. Stop the attack on patients and community health clinics sponsored by California Primary Care Association advocates. Add committees top funders ultimate health services in California Primary Care Association advocates.

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