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Hey guys and welcome back to another episode of casual chaos

This week I have a new member joining me

Beverly Hills Housewives, Amanda Frances

Welcome to casual chaos

Thank you, thank you for having me

So you just joined season 15

At the real housewives of Beverly Hills

You actually moved into Kyle Richards' old house

Is that kind of what brought Bravo's attention to you?

I think that was one of the connections

It was that and there was someone in an entertainment attorney

Who was in my courses, who loved my work

Some of those things together connected some dots

Okay, and was this something that you ever envisioned for yourself?

I always thought I would do reality television

I always saw myself on TV more

I didn't necessarily see housewives

Yeah

Did you ever feel any pressure before filming?

What do you mean, what kind of pressure?

Just like expectations, not really feeling like you could be yourself

Kind of just walking into this room of all these women

Especially because a lot of them have been doing it for quite some time

I felt very much like I was navigating a whole new world

It's not like anything you've ever done before

Anything anyone's ever done before

It's such a unique situation

And there's definitely like a fish out of water

Like, okay, like I'm a high achiever

Yeah

I like to accomplish things

I like to do things well

It was hard to know like what the standard was for doing it well

Like what was the bar I was trying to meet

Like what were the criteria like what makes a good housewife or a good like cast member

Friend of these people like it was

Yeah, some days I was odd to know am I doing an okay job at this?

Yeah, you know

And I feel like that's totally understandable

When you're doing it for a long time, it almost feels like second nature

Because then you feel comfortable with the cameras

It's also so different

You are really opening up your life to the world

And that's when the viewers like really see your vulnerability

Because that's when they connect with you

Right

So I liked

I liked having, I don't mind having cameras around me

I was fine with everyone being in my home

Being around my family

I never felt uncomfortable having a vulnerable moment on camera

A vulnerability doesn't bother me

It was very specific to like if you're walking into a situation

And you feel like it's hostile

You feel like people don't actually want to get to know you

You feel like you're being set up almost in an odd way

That's when it was super uncomfortable

Yeah, I'm all definitely get into that

Did you feel like anyone off the bat already was mistreating you

Or almost didn't accept you

From the beginning beginning?

No

Beginning beginning I felt like there was

Yeah, at the very beginning I felt like I was just trying to get to know everyone

Yeah

You built an empire for yourself with life coaching

You believe in manifesting

And also you have multiple

Businesses where you are doing life coaching and etc

Digital courses, personal development

Yes

So with that, did you feel like the women were judging you based off of you describing what empire you built for yourself?

I feel like they didn't, some of them didn't ever give it a chance

Because think about it, most people are into personal development to some degree

Most people understand manifestation to some degree

Most people have had a coacher there but it's not that out there

It's not that woo-woo

Especially the way I teach it, it's very grounded

I mean, I've had a life coach before I believe in manifesting

Absolutely

Because we're all in a fussing all the time

Under my pillow for sure

I love little notes in your pillow

Anything to set an intention

Anything to be clear on what you want

Anything to know what you're working toward is what we all need

I don't think anything I teach is really that so far out there

I think they made assumptions about what it means to teach on manifestation

Especially related to money and I think they kind of ran with that

With that actually asking me any questions or like looking at my actual work

So then did you feel like you constantly had to prove yourself to them?

No, and the thing is I didn't feel like I had to prove anything

Because I didn't even know that they were questioning me until like way later

There was a lot of the show

Well, no, it's while we were still filming

But when we get further into the season

You'll see me like find out that they've all been kind of speculating and talking and assuming

And like they could have just asked me

Yeah, yeah, no for sure

But that's also how reality TV works

It's like a build up, you kind of, it builds

And unfortunately it's rough

But then when you're saying how you, when you walk into hostile situations

You can kind of feel

If they've been talking about you, if something's been happening

Right, it's odd, sometimes it's the feeling of like yeah

Like someone's waiting for the moment to say something

But then what's really fun, what I really enjoy and viewers will

I think they'll get to see this happen

Is as we get further into the season and I see what they are saying about me

And I just like, I like bring it up, talk about it

Poke holes and how crazy it is

Like the whole thing deflates so quickly

Because like there's nothing there

Yeah

And then it's almost like you see people like backtracking or being like

Oh, we're okay, right?

And it's like we're okay, you just spent all this time going around

Trying to drum up some kind of nonsense about me, it's very odd

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How has it been watching the episodes back and seeing what the ladies have said about your career?

Right now

I don't watch them

You haven't watched

I see clips

I see cards

Listen, my mom used to be just like you

She didn't watch

Nothing

Really?

So how did she handle the reunion then?

There were maybe some things that she could have handled better

Yes

Because she would, you know, when you're sitting at the reunion

I don't know if you guys have filmed it or not yet

No, it's in a couple weeks

But Andy will like our production will show you flashbacks

Of a certain scene that they're talking about

But obviously like there's many pieces to the puzzle

But he just shows you something

Like one little clip

Like to be a jogger memory

My mom would just watch those

And maybe some things that she saw on social media

Real Haasos in New Jersey was never playing in our home

I feel like it really is crucial

And now

To watch

Yeah, like you think I need to watch

Yeah, okay

And now I just benched it

Because I knew you were coming

Okay

And I wanted to watch it

So you're more up to date than me

I feel like I am

Okay

But I just think it's really important

Because not only to see what the women or your cosmates are saying about you

It's helpful even to just see it for yourself

Because even now I'm on next-gen and my CM Bravo

When I look at myself on next-gen

I look at that and I'm like, okay

I don't love the way that that was played out

I wish I maybe would have handled this better or said this better

But do you have the feeling of average?

I love any opportunity for reflection

Yeah

But do you feel like there's

You feel like there's opportunity for growth there?

100%

Yeah

But I also, you know

Even in a hostile environment that is edited

Yeah

That's a difficult part

But the problem is that I, like what I have realized over the years

Is that whatever you say

You did say it

Totally

But maybe they use the first part of your sentence

And not the second part of your sentence

That validated the first part

Totally, which is hard

Yes

So then you feel like, you know, maybe your point was like misconstrued in a way

Totally

It's

Like if they would have had more of the conversation

It would have made a little bit more sense a lot of da

Um, yeah, but you know what?

It's interesting because I'm in the most trouble for, you know, something I supposedly said

But when I look at that scene, you know, I'm talking about the dinner at Kathie's

Yeah

When I look at that scene, I'm like, that was so benign

That was so part of a big conversation

You know, we see, like, set an agree with me

We say me, me and Jennifer are talking about it a little

I, Jennifer tells me something that Doree has said about her ex

And I'm like, well, you know, if it's true, it is not at all me going after her

At all

And I think that was a lot of the things you were in agree

A lot of the woman did agree with you, but even when you, the whole thing with you and Kyle

You didn't say much, you really just agreed with her

Well, I had never heard Kyle said it

That's the first time I heard that perspective, she said it to me and I was like, yeah, you know

There's something to that

Then I kind of carried it with me, it was in my mind, and then people are asking me about it

And I was like, well, you know, Kyle said a lot of da

And it was like, the idea that I was trying to put Kyle

Make Kyle and Doree fight or whatever that was, it's like, no!

Like, you asked me what happened, and I told you I went to Kyle, she said this

I went to Kathy's, they asked me this

Like, I thought I was just telling it chronologically

Like, I was just trying to let people know what happened

But they don't want that

They don't want the truth of it, they want you to own the most salacious part of it

Also, when it comes to joining a franchise where a lot of these women have been together for a long time

It's all about loyalty

So because Kyle and Doree have known each other for such a long time

Even though they have been having some issues with like the loyalty and trustworth

The aspect of their relationship between the PK and Mo and Kyle and Doree stuff

They'll still hold their loyalty that they've known each other for so long

And their relationship is so deep

But coming in as a new cast member

What else are you supposed to do?

You're supposed to question Kyle

If you go to someone's dinner party and they ask you about every single woman that you literally just met two weeks before

All you can say is what you've been told so far

What you've seen, I've observed so far

There was nothing else to say

So I didn't have some big dramatic, fully formed thing

It was just like conversational

Kyle said this, I can see that

Yeah, she probably shouldn't

It was very nice

Yes, it was very menace school, I agree with you on that

So you have a book about money and manifestation

And call yourself the money queen

I don't like when people say I call myself the money queen

But kind of bothers me

No one walks into a dinner party, no one walks into their child's school

And says hello, I am the money queen

For years, my audience called me the money manifestation queen

And sometime around COVID it got shortened

And I absolutely ran with it

But it wasn't like a self-proclaimed thing

For what it's worth

Your viewers

Because no one goes around calling themselves out, that's crazy

No, yeah

Just for the record

I don't hate it at all, it's like a branding thing

I don't hate it at all, it's a good quick summary

But you go what I'm saying

Yes, no

I mean, I also think it's a compliment

If the people that are supporting you

If the people who've read my book, been in my course, who's referring to me that way

And they do, you're correct, it's a compliment

So then, are you defending yourself kind of right now on that

Because do you feel like the women took that?

Because all these articles have said the self-proclaimed money queen

And no one goes around calling themselves that

So do you feel like the women kind of took that out of context

Even when it was little things

Or that they kind of played this out multiple times

From what I've watched so far

It would be like you guys were going on a hike when you guys were in

Was that Sardona?

Sardona

Yes

And you're like, oh, I'm bringing my Chanel

And set and commented

Because you basically commented on a designer bag that you had

Or the things that you brought

No, I can explain that one so easily

So, to me, it was interesting that the joke didn't hit

Because in my friend groups and my social circles

That, like, juxtaposition of I have sunscreen in my Chanel

Is, like, funny

Yeah

It's, like, cute and funny

Like, I'm going on a hike, but I'm bringing my Chanel because I'm me

Like, to me, that was me just being me

Yeah

And, like, it didn't land

I don't know if it didn't land with these women

Because it's not their humor

Or if they were, like, you know, looking for the one-upy kind of moments

Well, and I think that was kind of what they described

And how they were describing it throughout these episodes so far

That they always felt like you were trying to one-up them

But that's so silly, listen

To just shoot it straight

I thought it was a show about rich women with cool shit

So, I thought we were supposed to be rich women with cool shit

I thought we were supposed to be excited about our cool shit

So, that's one

Let's, like, put that there

Isn't that what the show is for?

So, let's put that

Beverly Hills

When you compare Beverly Hills to the rest of the Real Housewives franchise

We're so so we're a Chanel or whatever

Yes, totally

And I actually do really enjoy a Chanel

Is elevated

And a lot of the women are

Very wealthy on Beverly Hills

And obviously could afford probably way more than any of the other franchises

Got it

But it is cool to watch

It's fascinating to see the Homes in Bel Air and Rachel Zo

Who's been an amazing fashion designer and icon

Like Jennifer Tilly, Kathy, she's a Hilton

Like, it is cool to watch these women

Totally

So, if that, like, if that affluence is meant to be like a through line of the show

I kind of thought that's part of what we were just talking about, right?

So, there's that

So, that's one side

And then, too, what I think people kind of got wrong and don't see

Is I have a real through line of like gratitude through my life

Like, I am celebrating my purchases

I am celebrating how much I've been able to spend

I am celebrating a self-made person all the time

You know what I mean?

So proud of it

So proud of it

Like, I think New Money is one of the best compliments you can give me

Would you rather be like New Money or Old Broke?

Like, I want to be New Money all day long

I want everyone who currently does not have money to become New Money

So that doesn't offend me at all

Like, I'm so thankful

Yeah

But I think we're missing that there was real gratitude

There was also me looking for commonalities, ways to connect with these people

So, my humor was missed

I mean, and I thought that's kind of what the show was about

I mean, and that, I feel like that kind of says a lot

And people are really going to understand you more by that comment

Because it wasn't that you were trying to want up these women

You were genuinely trying to find a common ground with all of them

Right, isn't Chanel our common ground?

Wouldn't you think on real houses of Beverly Hills, Chanel is our common ground?

Yeah

Or Hermaz, one or the other?

One or the other

Right

Hermaz was a big gift you guys always give

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Do you feel like because you are a self-made woman

That end your career that you have built for yourself is different from the other woman

I mean, I don't know because we have to think that Rachel built a lot of what she has

She did

Boaz has had a long career

But so many of the women are smart

Kathy is really smart with how she does a lot of things

Kyle is smart, a lot of these women find really interesting fun ways to make money

Like through the show, not directly on the show, but how their leverage the show

With their husband or ex-husband

So a lot of them had husbands in the mix through the growing process and I did not

Yes

I made it on my own

Like I was a multi-millionaire before I met Eddie, you know what I mean?

And I'm the breadwinner and like we have no qualms with that

That's like, you know, he thinks it's hot, I think it's great

Like no one has any issues

I think that's their problem with me, I think they have a hard time wrapping their heads around it

And I think when people have their hard time wrapping their heads around something

They just go into questioning and skepticism

Instead of like asking questions

Yeah, you know

And you also stated on the show that you did not come from much when you were growing up

Right

So I think it's very understandable for you to be proud of everything that you have

Absolutely

And if you want to show off what you have a little bit and it wasn't landing with these women

I really don't think it's the worst thing in the world

I think for season

There's always a newbie, you're always the target

And that will grow

And you will evolve from that

Maybe a lot of the women didn't understand what you were saying this season

But hopefully going forward

They'll understand where you are coming from

And why you are so proud

But I felt like they were almost like I get it

And not maybe really listening to you and understanding what you've got

Well, if you come from the lens

That women should be proud of themselves and celebrate themselves

And be in gratitude for what they created

If that's like your lens, your worldview, like it is mine

You would never be offended by a one-up or whatever

You wouldn't ever view it that way

Yeah

You know

Did you see when people were calling you on social media a fraud

Like how did that affect you?

I've seen it a little bit

Honestly, I feel like

I already had a pretty thick skin

I remember what people say about me online

This has made me feel like

Like with a bull

Like the way I have just been able to anchor myself into my work

And what I actually do

It kind of did a lot of good things

It made me stronger, it made me tougher

It made me feel like you can't f**k me

But it also let this fire under my eyes

I'm going to show you exactly what I do

You're going to make fun of me

Like let me show you what a money queen does

Watch me monetize every single part of this

Okay, great

So like

I just didn't affect your business at all

Oh, I mean only positively

Oh, great

Because my clients, my tried and true clients

Tens of thousands of happy clients and students over the years

They're still happy

They've been happy all along

Right, so they're not deciding what they think about me by a bravo content creator

Like that's not influencing them

So we've had a lot of new people who are just curious

Saw you on bravo, want to see what you're about

We love those people

We're like come, you know, enroll in a pay

Whatever you feel to offer

We have like low cost stuff, pay what you feel, stuff free stuff

So we're like welcoming all these bravo people into all of this stuff

And that makes us really happy, right?

And we have a lot of new book readers

So no, there's no way trolls could affect my business negatively

Because again, happy customers aren't going to trolls to validate with already know

You know what I mean?

Yeah, no, I totally understand that

Now that you have filmed a full season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Do you regret joining the cast?

No

I don't really believe in regrets

So you're happy

I wouldn't say I'm happy

Peace is strong word

That was a tough experience

I mean, you know, it's not like anything else

It's really hard to describe what it even is

It is tough

I wouldn't say it made me happy

But again, I think I've taken a lot of strength from it

I think it has just reminded me like who I'm here to be

And what I want to do with my life

Like, I don't think I'm going to walk away with any negatives

Do you, would you go back for another season?

That is undecided

Undecided

I mean, listen, I also, if it makes you happy

Clearly, you are so mean

That your show make you happy

Next Gen NYC

It makes you happy

Yes, you have fun

I do

Okay

Because I feel like

Real Housewives versus like Next Gen NYC

It's two completely different ball games

Okay

I feel like Housewives

All of these women

Like from all the franchises

Come for each other's necks

And it's dirty

Whether it's about their husbands

Whether it's about the rumor about this one cheating

This one having multiple lawsuits on their businesses

This that like they go

So they try to dig up on me and that thing's there

They go for the trailer

Right

On Next Gen, there's not much to dig up about us in our 20s

Yeah

Unless you want to say something about our parents

Right, in your kind of like whatever

Yeah, like whatever

This has happened

This is our life

There's nothing really to be ashamed of

Nothing you do about it

But that's why it's fun still on Next Gen

No, and you got to understand

I'm not assuming there will be a time where it's maybe not fun

And then you won't do it anymore

Right, yeah

Well, that's also very confusing

Because everything in my

All of my success has come thus far

From doing what I wanted to do

And putting my whole heart into it

You know what I mean

And believing in myself

And what I could create through it

So like making money

Doing what you love is like a literally my life

And I'm an environment of very highly supportive women

Like women supporting women is literally

The personal development world

That's all I've been around for a very long time

So I really did not fathom to what degree

People who you're getting to know

Or supposed to be your new friends

Would want to make you look bad

Like I really did not grasp it

Yeah, it's kind of like the name of the game a little bit

It just certainly

Yeah, yeah

But I just I believe if

If you are finding this to not make you happy

And to not lift you up

When you really don't need it

Don't need it

Don't really need it

Think about it

You know always think about it

Because I mean you know this

You're all about mental health

Mental health, manifesting

Being positive, growing

Within yourself

I mean I don't think you would ever

Send yourself into a bad direction

The only thing about doing another season

Is almost like once you see how it works

Once you know a little bit more about it

It's like I could probably have a good

Whatever, better season

I think I would know a little bit more

Like I don't know how it works

Because it's not like anything else

I agree with you

When you feel like maybe

The way you were perceived

Wasn't fully correct

Obviously there's going to be

Parts inside of you that want to come back

For the next season

And basically

Write the wrongs or whatever

Yes, prove the people wrong

It's not even that

It's more that I like would just want to go in

And do like

It's like you have clear eyes

Your head's on more straight

You just know what you're stepping into

And I could just see myself doing it better

And then again, what constitutes winning in this environment?

You know what I mean?

I got it

Well, thank you so much for coming on

Thank you for having me

Thank you for having me

And I can't wait to watch the reunion and see the rest of the season

Oh my goodness

Stand your ground at the reunion

I think a lot of these

Easier

Yes, I think a lot of these women

Were misjudging the way that you were explaining

What you do and your business

And what you have achieved

And probably thought of it as one uping and bragging

But I think it's very understandable

For you to say

I'm proud of what I built

And this is why I'm so passionate about it

And I just wanted all of you to understand

Or even any single person sat in front of me

And said like, hey, that's on the one uping

Even that, I could have been like

Oh my god, really?

I'm just proud of myself

Yes

Like that's so much could be corrected so easily

Yeah

And they never really gave you the chance to do it

At least thus far

I mean watch the whole season

Every single thing that people have issues with

No one really asks me about

You know?

Yeah

It was kind of like a petty gossip

I mean that's also what Housewives is at the same time, too

Apparently

Well, thank you so much

Thank you for having me

Thank you

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