Anthony Beckett | Proto-UFOs, Poltergeist & Plasma-Craft, The Consciousness Connection

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2:04Today I want to welcome Anthony Beckett. He is an independent researcher and author with over 20 years of experience studying unidentified aerial phenomena. Anthony, welcome. How you doing? I'm doing very well. Thank you. Thank you so much for inviting to the show. Yes, man. It is great to have you. I'm very excited to discuss your book, Proto-UFOs, Poltergeist, and Plasma Craft. Your research explores the possibility of UFOs and even what we call Poltergeist, spiritual encounters, may actually be intelligent plasma connected to human consciousness through quantum processes. And this aligns very much with my current perception of the phenomena. So I can't wait to get into this. Before we do, this is your first time on. Tell us a little bit about yourself and let the audience know how they can get more. Well, yes, man. So I'm, where does that flow? I'm from the UK, she can blow together.

3:04And my first interest in, I've been interested in the subject since childhood. And one of the, but really came to a head in one of those at university. I picked up Tim with the good, the book, the book top secret, and I got hooked. Long story short, this is a big antifixial host. I used to attend Stephen Bassett's ex-conferences in just BBC. So I went to it quite a few, quite a few of those. And there's one year I wasn't able to go. So I decided to bring the conference home. So we started doing conferences in the UK. And that's how our expolitics, the UK leads conferences began. So we did that for about seven years. And I felt like this, I had felt a family in this focus, because I was also there. But in the meantime, I continued doing research and studying. That's converted in this book. But really, my ideas kind of seem to, I seem, I felt like back towards the end of when I was in the conferences. My ideas were deviating from what the norm was at the time. And it was my ideas with what particular little received. So I just kind of had decided to put it to a long story short.

4:05I decided to take a different tap to try and understand the nature of the phenomenon. And that led me down the path, I guess we're going to talk about. Yeah. I'll let you say, yeah, that's... Well, great introduction. Let's get into what led you to your current understanding. Tell us a little bit about that path that brought you here. Well, like many people I hear from childhood or through to adulthood, you can make assumptions about what the phenomena is based. You see there isn't extraterrestrial visitation. And well, it's times change. And even back decades ago, people talked about interdimensional. But even so, we're still talking about not of this turf, or let's say somewhere else. But what does actually mean? And long story short is I was... I became a read about poem called, Earthlight Revelations by Paul Daviro, an English researcher. Who's not a UFO guy? But he just noticed how there's lots of UFO-like light forms.

5:08Over... It was basically shown to be... He showed that they were related to geological features, including from geological fault lines through to ecological sites, that kind of thing. And obviously that correlated with what you are probably now called, the European. And so there's been like this... Within the... Within the research of the UFO circles, it didn't say that UFOs are even interdimensional beings or extraterrestrial visitation. And this... But the problem is, as far as the extraterrestrial spaceships, basically, idea... I mean, that was... I think it was... That's... The fact that there's so many UFO sightings, kind of negates that most of the idea is... I mean, if I lay, I think, where I'd raise that issue, back in the 70s, as in Hainik. So... But when we had in the UK, we had some sort of something of a disclosure on the European... in the UK, back in 2006. I'm not sure how many people know about this.

6:10It's well known in the UK. I'm not sure how many people, yes, but elsewhere know. But the product... What's... What's the product condined? And so what happened... Back in 1998, 1999? No, probably earlier than that, but in 1996, it was actually Hainik's pull. It was suddenly passed away. This was lost there, it really was, just after we got came out. So he was instrumental in having this study into European... Within... Oliver's on the UFO desk for the mutual defence. Now, he wasn't the desk, he'd moot... Rotations happened in... Moved on some rails at the time. So when the report was found in the public, he wasn't privy to it. But... There's a Dr David Clark, how you care researcher, and some of his colleagues, they'd actually found... through a film... Film and Film Information had requested, they'd been privy to the fact that they've been a member about the publication report. So long story short, they managed to get its release and have been in 2006. Now, more surfealoges, I've spoken to about this with very few exceptions, just to see it as either a white wash covering up extra special visitation. Because fundamentality determines that you're full of your P...

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8:14and on third party delivery, add-ons, taxes, and fees for delivery additional. Save with digital deals at Vans and Albertsons. This week at Vans and Albertsons, Ginny-O, 93 percent lean ground turkey, is 3.99 per pound, sold in a three pound tray with digital coupon limit 2 packages, and a one pound package of strawberries is $1.99 with digital coupon. Plus Kellogg's giant size cereal, 22.6 to 29.5 ounces, selected varieties are $2.99 each, with digital coupon limit 3. Hurry in, visit Vans or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. Cut to 10 years later. So I've been doing take on, you know, conferences for 10 years. I've done a bit of a privy to that about a few years earlier. And I'd seen your photos in one occasion, probably about 10 years earlier. And that was very fleeting sighting. Now, I had the opportunity to go on a sky watch with some food couple of friends, my friend, David Grifford, and Natasha, who we're right about in the book. And so we got to a place called, well, near tommenden in West Yorkshire,

9:15some of West Yorkshire language and border. And it's not far from the sight of a police officer called Alan Gottfried, had a famous encounter with the UFO. It's really just stone throw from there. So we've gone to first of the sky watch. And on that sky, which we saw multiple, what I can all ascribers, orange balls of white, that were doing remarkable things. And clearly to me, they were demonstrating, these were a boi plasma phenomenon. But my question in my mind was that, is it something more than that? Is this a technology? Is it something else? Is it just as what is it? And it did appear to, did you appear to show display signs of intelligence? And as I mentioned, there's a couple occasions where there's some remarkable coincidences. I call them quicksensors. But for example, my friend David, who's been, who they do in this C5 sessions for quite a while, he'd call them these, when they were not possible, and for real, I just caught it a flare up.

10:16And quite spell, not about 15 minutes, not really see much. And we were chatting, and David shouted out, flare up, and this one lies on the front of his, just when it was bright, as bright as any of the other light books at that point. And this is caught that, but that's kind of, I see all when I saw that occasion, but David seemed, I need the partner, it's seen quite a few of those scenarios of that coincidence. And there's another coincidence that I mentioned about, which I think is a little bit more telling from how I ended up coming to understand the phenomenon, is that towards the end of our sky, what's about half a swan in the morning, it's kind of, we haven't seen much. I think David was sitting in the car and Tasha was outside, trying to film what was left of the lights on, in the camcorder, but this is 2016, because the camcorders wouldn't that good, but then. So we were catching much, I'll see much. So I suggested that we just, we kind of pack up and leave, because it's kind of got quiet. And I've said that, there were two lights we could see, it was very pale on, they got brighter and brighter. A third one appeared, it can essentially showing,

11:17in the triangle formation, and that stayed as a redder thing to remember memories, there were at least triangle configurations just kind of slowly, rotated the photo distance, and did symbolically what I'd suggested we do. I thought that was really really strange. Wow. So I have, I took a deep dive into understanding synchronicities, and in doing so, not just synchronicities, but obviously the synchronicity, synchronicities as a term was coined by Carl Jung, the famous amateur psychologist. And I took a deep dive into his work, because he wrote about co-flight and sources. I don't know how, I was told that's pretty, it's quite well done. And I remember when I first read it, I was giving it to someone at the Ex-Confidence, Stephen Bassett's Ex-Confidence, probably about 2008, somebody gave me a book. And I read it, and I wasn't, I didn't understand it. It took me a long time of studying Jung's work to understand what he was talking about, and the implications of it. And yeah, and that led into something that's already on the back of mind, which is probably how the poltergeist

12:18phenomena relates to your full contact. Because there's more people who will know, there's, it seems to be a common trait that poltergeists, like events, appear are surrounding typical, a UFO ducty experiences, your production experiences. So this has been noted by many people. I mean, the striber, the striber, who obviously, wrote the kind of first major work on bass, would describe just that. There's also actually fact, earlier than that, there was a book called by Scott Rogo, and Druffle, I think he was, what's that book called? The T-Yonga Canyon Contacts, that's a really good book, which predates striber's by nearly, it's eight years. And the descriptions in there in that book about the poltergeist likes events, it kind of crosses over until it would consider a possession-former phenomenon. Now, I know you had to a guy, yes, is it on the last episode? It was it, sorry, I forgot the guy, guys named James, was it?

13:20James Quitt? Yeah, Jason Quitt, yeah. Jason Quitt, yeah. So he was talking about, like, I didn't mention sleep paralysis in my book or anything. I think I mentioned the documentary, the documentary, The Nightmare by Rodney Auschke, that's really interesting. But that covers that kind of topic. Well, the possession-like phenomenon that comes into that narrative is kind of, sorry, I've losing a track now, sorry, yes, it's the, you realize the poltergeist for a nominant knack, and they Scott Rogo and Andrew Fles book shows threats of the introduction, which is more clossing in line with the possession. So long, sorry, I showed, I dug a deep dive into a lot through Jungin psychology, essentially, and came to a greater understanding of the phenomenon. And doing so, I feel like what I've discovered is something that's not novel to me. I haven't discovered what the strivers are this first. He's book communion. He discusses how he's what a who's surprised to find that people who have

14:20induction experiences from the sessions that he was going to with the book Hopkins, and subsequently meetings with other experiences. He noticed that the familiar primary alien contact, as well as often predominantly with a being of who's gender opposite, so for many, with a female, predominantly, not always, but predominantly. Okay. And I thought that was enough. That's kind of interesting. So in Jungin psychology, there's a concept of the animal, the animal. It tends to use the word animal to be generated for both, you know, it's got confusing. So you call the animal as being the general case of the animal and animals. And the animal is the repressed, already, the unconscious, not the non-express aspects of the female in the male. And the animals, is the non-express aspects of the male in the female within personal conscious. I should just clarify here in terms of terminology. Personal unconscious is just really just the person, as a human being, you have the things

15:22that are singly to singly to you. So that's the general, that's how we look at the person, the person, the animal. Sorry, it's like the thing. Basically, Jungin noticed, Jungin Jungin noticed that within expressions of the unconscious from his psychoanalyst, it's really what is his work in psychoanalysis and what's got psychology, that the unconscious tends to present itself in the traits of the opposite gender, these contraceptual expressions. So what happened in the book, Communium, Whitley Stryber, notes this, but it really doesn't take it anywhere. Even John Professor John Rob John Mack, in his book, in his seminal book, Adoption, with human encounters with aliens, he touches on this. In a sense, he doesn't, in a sense of by reference to some saying what for experience, some experiences telling him, and it's some of these experiences, tell, oh, whether or not I do this, it's not the gender opposite, it's not correct. So it's, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself,

16:23it's not the gender opposite. It's the idea that these phenomena are being, you can think of likely greatly in-face on the typical, on the book of Stryber's Communion book, while that represents. And also, you can consider this from the perspective of, I used to demon loosely, because I haven't got a good definition of what that means, and I'll maybe we'll get to that later. Yeah. But this, this, whatever this being is, the gender opposite thing is expressions of, is, I heard it's an expression of the soul. Now, again, we've got some concepts that we're doing by soul. Young discrep describes it, essentially nothing more or less than the personal unconscious, what's basically, ex-agratic, in archetypes, the soul would be, the animal instantiated in the unconscious, personal conscious, and that's what it defines as a soul. There are theological variations of that, but that's how he described it. So, right, so my background, just quick about himself, I'm a scientist that, I was, I was, I was a stranger science, we got two degrees in chemistry,

17:24but I'm currently software engineer. This idea of psychology really works for me, because I just kind of think that this is software on the, on the organisms. This is why this kind of really worked for me. And I get a picture that some people might find it quite difficult to grasp, but to me, it kind of starts to fit together. So I kind of see these things as being, within the software, the human being, whether you talk about the physical, neurological states, or the matter, or some other, etheric or non-local, if you want to use the term, informational structure beyond itself, beyond the physical organism. It kind of doesn't really matter about where it is. It's religiously, this, wherever that software lies, whether information is, this is what's been expressed in these forms. And this is why I think it gets really interesting, because rather the debunking, the phenomenon, and saying it's just the anniversary, or it's just the another archetypal expression. I'm seeing these as being part of the modes of contact. This is just how it does express. It really is contact with something other. And why other,

18:24other is, is obviously well, and still wide open for debate. And so it doesn't, I'm not, yeah, it's not debunking, it's looking, it's another way of looking at it, which I think is more, so let's more grounded, how it relates back to the plasma phenomenon is the fact that it actually, you realize it, it supports it in a certain sense. Save with digital deals at Vons and Albertsons. This week at Vons and Albertsons, Ginny O, 93% lean ground turkey is 399 per pound, sold in a three pound tray with digital coupon limit two packages. And a one pound package of strawberries is 199 with digital coupon. Plus Kellogg's giant size serial, 22.6 to 29.5 ounces, selected varieties are 299 each. With digital coupon, limit three, per end, visit Vons or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. So if we can switch back to plasma for seconds, this is kind of, this is why I think this is kind of interesting. You have a project con down,

19:25which was UK's study of UEP from the, from the 1999, 2000, publishing public in 2006. It suggests white plasma is, so UEP predominantly white plasma is usually geological sauce, but they don't really give an explanation where the energy comes from. They haven't got an explanation for that. A lot of people criticize that, say, I can't spare a sea, it's a white wash, they just cover a fresh, a fresh fresh crap in the aliens in tangos, and that kind of thing. I mean, that's my be to, there might be such things, but the evidence is kind of lacking salt, it's okay, mostly hearsay, even though it's happening in the current times. And that kind of discussion has been going on literally for decades, probably 50 years really. So, and we've not got anywhere in 50 years, and I don't expect that really to change. So, a lot of youthologists were critical of the condyme rapport, but the problem was that was the study, the condyme rapport really expressed something that was already in scientific community, as it were, through all the studies of UEPs, by through scientific UEPs,

20:27field studies, and the primary one of which, well, there's been two really main ones, three, actually, technically one, there is the first one. Well, the most detailed one would be, Hollywood, a dearwood lages professor of physics, a Hollywood-earologist, a study of the Flappermisurri, Piedmont, Missouri, in around 76, and to call a long story short, the sum of the phenomena he was, he was a, the people were seeing all sorts of the sky, but the, from flying sources through to orange walls of light, and two students, a tall, rich, one day university, that did see the flanksarcer, but it was skeptical, but still curious, it won't be minding, it'll flig out, and I will look for myself, and it didn't see a flanksarcer, but it saw orange walls of light with a colleague. His colleague wasn't as convinced as he was, I think, and his colleague didn't seem, from a member of the reading's book, his book was called Project Identification, and it's published in 1980. So that was a combination of four, about four years of research,

21:28and field research, and this is the difference, going out into the field with a team of research, a team of, of, not just necessarily scientists, but a team of people, they were able to triangulate sightings in different places, using CV radio to communicate, they were able to look at lights and, and, to confirm that they weren't way off of the distance, they could triangulate the sightings, and, and one, it wasn't critting on one of the, sorry, sure, again, there's one of them, when outcomes of the result, was that they considered it to be, it, how did you, really did, to talk about Plasma in his book, but he was influenced, I've got some physicists, I've talked, I've influenced him, and talked to him about, so he's kind of, he wasn't entirely convinced about that, I gave him, so he didn't declare it was Plasma, but he, he does mention Plasma in his book, but what was most striking for him was that, the, there was an unconscious connection with these, with these phenomena, because the coincidence is, did notice that when people tried to take a photograph, I didn't do an instrument, would do, would make a change,

22:30there's a phenomenon would change, you'd either blink, lift the camera, take a photograph, you've got the shoot off, up, blink out, and this happened so often, it was statistically improbable, and it led to the conclusion that there's some unconscious, subconscious process at work behind it. Interestingly, as far as the, the simple, simple light phenomenon of orange balls of light was go, he describes, see them landscape, I'm just kind of moving, and they're disappearing, repairing elsewhere, occasionally repairing. Now, it took a while, but I was, I read a book called, Light Forms, Spiritual Encounters with Light Forms, I think that's what it's called, by Dr. Matt Fox, and that's really fascinating book, because he's not, this is, it's basically a study of something like the, Monk Story shot is that there was somewhere, I could say that, didn't, and so, there was, there was a study of, back in, maybe it was a photos of 50s, I don't know how far about this was, somewhere, it's in the UK,

23:30so I'm going to put a request out for people's spiritual encounters with, and there's something that they got some like, fight, this was from Oxford University at the time, I've forgotten the name of the group, but anyway, yes, and so, they got 4,000 responses to this, and of that 4,000 response, I think some at 400 of these responses include interactions with light forms. These light forms are always indoors, they're the typical kind of crisis lights, people have through, through, a spiritual encounter, what we call spiritual encounters, and I came to the conclusion that what we have in the EWP phenomenon is really just an extension of that, we've just got a difference of scale and location, it seems like what people experience in the privacy in their home is not that much different to what, is, what we call, EWP as is going plus with phenomena, it was a lot more behind the physicality of the going plusments than we're going into here, but the coincidence of the scientific field studies kind of correlating it seems spiritual light forms studies

24:31was kind of a turning point for me for my understanding, and yeah, I not lead you right into how the mind integrates with them, with these phenomena. Now, before we get to that, I want to, as well as I can break down the information you've presented so far, at the foundation of the phenomena, there's an aspect of archetypes that are reaching out from our subconscious to communicate with us in some way, but there's also this X factor that could be a consciousness connected to us, but not our direct selves, something else out there that is also reaching out. As far as the plasma goes, how can we connect the plasma with the phenomena? I was talking with Jason about the possibility of there being hypnotic triggers, the lights that people see, the orbs may trigger something in their subconscious,

25:31have a hypnotic effect on them, and then they have the experience. There's a Canadian by name of Professor Michael Persinger, who's, he's famous actually for his development of what he called the God Helmet. Yeah. He re-reversed engineering, the God experience, as he called it. So, it's a long story. But what they did was take a motorcycle helmet, put some solar lights on the outside of the helmet, and volunteers wear the helmet, and they're induced within the, in the over the brain, the field, electromagnetic field changes. And in doing that, they claims, Professor, I'm going to be able to be able to reproduce all the expects of the near-death experience. And I think he also claimed to have some traits of the abduction, urefo-obduction experience, but the, you know, internalized part. Although it's been, it was claimed by another author called Chris Carter, he wrote a book called Science on the Near-death Experience, that had, basically, Persinger's claims were a little bit,

26:34they would, he's going to be too far. What they really, what you'll, all they really showed is that you can show him fleeting aspects of the near-death experience. We will see a flash of a tunnel, and that kind of level of things. But what, so it was, they had traits of the, you know, the, the, the, death experience, and I can, I can, I can't remember the, the, about the urefo-experience part. But from the near-death experience, he showed traits of it, but not the actual, they can't do a length when, phenomenon, the experiential thing of what people describe in near-death experiences, and the same is true for the cleave for, you've simulating urefo-obduction. But it did show that there is something, there is something going on, and that within how the brain works. And there's a stimulation of the electric fields in the brain. Now, in another paper that, person, this might have been before, this person who published a paper in the 70s, carried him with the title, or exactly when he was. But he was about the, the effect, like how he, a urefo-lovingocity has a term,

27:35it would affect the human organism. And so he considered that, whatever this urefo-lovingocity was, you could think of it as worship, as one, if you want to, but there's a, there's a luminosity that's got a magnetic field, where we can, we can, all seem to agree on that, because it's been measured. But what would, if what effect would that field have on the organism? And it kind of showed that these effects of, as a person, as a person, and the light form become closer to get together, or rather, even if they feel, if the field of x increases, the, as the, essentially, as a person experience, who get moved to, from it to students, they can see the light form, as it closer to, they get neurological effects, getting introduced within the temporal lobe. He called it, and he called it, ten-pool-lobe, induced temporal lobe epilepsy. And so he uses this, a kind of as an argument to suggest that, this is what causes some of the high-strangeness in the, in the urefo contact experience. And in a certain sense, he might be right, but does it really exclude the fact,

28:36possibility that that is the part of the process of contact? Yeah. Is this just how the, how it functions? So it's one of those situations where, yeah, you've, I met the analogy with the, the, is it the milieu experiment, with trying to create the chemicals of life in the laboratory, and yes, they managed to, well, so they say, create the chemicals of life, but the concrete and organism, the complexity was just lost. They just hadn't got, interesting stuff. They might be sure of some mechanisms and process, but it's not the whole, it's not the whole phenomenon of any stretch. But what, what your specific question was, as far as I was mentioning, these kind of attractions really about light forms, for example, say, see somebody's having, talking to a friend on Facebook, who's has recently about, she's, has lots of these kind of encounters, where she'll see lights and records and, sort of some of this, but it's just like my friend, who I, I, it's these sightings within 2016, she's kind of doing the same, and it's like, well, these things are a massive distance, you know, it's not a massive distance,

29:37but they're over, they're over the field, they're over, they're over the valley. So that's why I can't, so why would this, that does seem to negate the possibility that these field effects is the cause and effect of what's going on? This seems to be something else, a, a foot, with this. I have to say I haven't got the answer to that. This is something where I'm still, I grasp it, I grasp it. I've, I've, in my book, I actually took a deep dive into the work of Wilhelm Reichard, we don't need to get this, I go there, but within some of the Wilhelm Reichs work, I think with them, so I've done this in my book, but I've done a, I took a deep dive, but I do wonder if some of his work might lead us to an answer for that, how that connoction, this connection that the person is version wasn't, doesn't explain, but this slightly, my new onseversion that might become to do with organ energy and more to the point, organ energy, considered as a plasma phenomenon, and so on, right. And how that may relate to the, how just, I want to say, I think you shouldn't say it in sectional conscience, how crunchistance becomes manifest in material, material world.

30:37Is this, which I'm calling the soul craft? Kind, yeah, soul craft, it's, yes, a soul craft, by, by, soul craft, what I mean is you have, it's a soul, you think conscious mind, personal conscious, or rather, I wrote a chapter called the exo, and I use the exo as a term to describe the anima, as I mentioned earlier. So this, it's that I consider it to be a interface between us and the others, whoever the others are, and the others might be early beings, there might be interdimensional beings, there might actually be something part of ourselves, this distance from us, some spiritual connection. I must, I've not, I can not stick to that answer, I don't know it is, but I just, the term, I use the term, the exo as the interface for that. Sorry, I forgot your question now, what were, which were, we were getting a little deeper into that interface and what the soul craft means. Yeah, the question, the soul craft. So yeah, so I use the term soul craft because

31:37with, it's been shown by numerous people and studies about that, these, the, your foot, your feet phenomena, your feet, it's due to, have some kind of conscious and unconscious connection to the human mind, whatever we mean by human mind as well, because what is mind, what is consciousness. Now, as in biology, one of the theories about how consciousness arises in ourselves is, well, there's two, there's two ways you can look at consciousness. One is the, the idea that computational complexity will kind of give rise to, essentially, when it is big enough, we'll give rise to consciousness through deterministic processes, mathematical processes. Roger Petser, Roger Pentner, I was mathematician, wrote a book called the, oh, what was it? First book called the Empress New Mind where he demonstrates the most form of mathematical suspect if how with that kind of argument accomplished, computational complexity falls down for

32:38the, the, has been neurogenic consciousness. Now, after he wrote that book, he can't have moved on. And, but there was a, anesthesiologist called Stuart Hameroff, who was given this book, this had book by Pentner, as, and he read it, and he realized that he might have had the missing link to, to how this might work. And he considered, because he was studying, I think he was studying at the time, my quadrubials, which are chemicals, essentially, in the brain, that's like, which make up neurons. And so what, what, obviously, got in touch with Pennaro's, and together, the club rate and came up with a concept that we call the orchestrated objective reduction, called, or for short theory. And in that theory, the idea of, the idea is, when you have, in quantum mechanics, it's when you have this idea of a wave function collapse, which is essentially, when you have these, sorry about the buzzwords, but the suposition of state, you have, the cat, let's go with catanabox, is it dead or alive?

33:39That's a suposition of state. You can, it's not both dead and alive in this model, it's, we just don't know what it is yet. And it's that switch to becoming, oh yeah, it's alive. That's, you know, no, it's alive. That's knowing, that's the origin as a broader consciousness, essentially, so it's the origin of consciousness. And so they, they consider that in the brain, well, not just the brain, but in biology, because we have new, these microtubules everywhere, you have this, you have this opening, closed state to the microtubule, the chemical structure. And these switching between these open closed states can be confusions as the, it, as the, it calls the suposition of state, which means you don't know, it's open or closed, but when it becomes known, and that's the origin of consciousness. So they consider this to be how consciousness arises in biology. Now, so I've taken that theory of, of, of, objective, orchestrated objective reduction, and applying it to plasmus, because from my perspective, well, it's not just plasmus as well, any, absolutely anything that can hold this,

34:40that, that constant state in isolation, for the same period would actually be applied, it, uh, right, consciousness could be considered, conceivably arise, and penrose and hammer of themselves consider that, even primordial soup chemistry, component chemistry, would, can actually achieve consciousness in this way. So I'm not doing anything, particularly radical by extending it to plasmus. I have to say, I was, I've been in touch with them recently with, um, uh, sorry, uh, Massimo Tudorani, um, uh, who PhD, uh, astrophysicist who worked on the project, Hestalan, your first study, and I sent him a book because obviously, right, caught a bit of out of him and stuff. So it sends out, I, um, he, I published my book, the shaper, he's been talking about this idea as well, of, of sentient plasmus based on alkoath, they've had for a few years now, as well. So this is not just me, it turns out. Something else to me that really displays the interplay between what we're calling UFOs and human consciousness is events like CE5 gatherings where many people at the same time will see a craft,

35:42but when you individually ask them what they saw, they may have seen different colors, different shapes. Two people can see a completely different phenomena at the same time, even though they did witness something unexplained. Yeah, there's, from a, perceptions perspective that you can, it's a general angle as a, you, uh, uh, a British, you, you follow just the researchers, who's, she kind of, she, she, she learned about considered, uh, after being really, um, following the, the, assuming there was spares, it's a long time, she felt, uh, discovered the geological connection and, and the writing all off is basically delusions for through, um, the person is, the logical of X. She sees it, it's entirely neuro-archical, but she, in her talk, she talks about perception aspect, where people will see different things, and like, you might just like, a cylinder like a fuselot, the fuselot of shit, um, cylinder, like a cigar shape. And before you know, people start popping different appendages on because of perceptional, um, issues, and there's, there's a case for that,

36:43I suppose. And the balleriz case for that. Um, however, it's interesting, what, what I found fascinating about some of the, you've early contactees from the 1950s period, like, how would menager, is it, manger? How would menager, sorry? For example, he would, um, so he, how would menger, was he and his brother would like see you, uh, you, for as those kids, um, this is hybrid, uh, new jersey. And, but it was how would men go himself would continue to see these as adults, but so he would, uh, there's a documentary about him, and so he talks about how, well, manger talks about geophobic contacts, which tends to be standard, or they're making a show that as an example, he has the lady here on the rock that he contacts. He was his contact. But he would, it was, there's a kiss was a, he describes, for example, going to a Glen, a Glen of a Lack of Valley, uh, in close valley. And he goes with some friends, whose friends stay at the side of the, uh, towards the hill quite far away, where he walks down towards with a light saw. So he gets the lights and he sees

37:44tall female being come out and flant by two, two male aliens. And he sees a typical saucer-shaped craft, literal actual craft with doors and everything else, but from a distance, his friends didn't see this other light forms, this other, like, the kind of swirling lights. And plasmas, he, I'm a, I mean, furring. But when it was manger, his health had the deeper experience. And the question I question I have is like, is that physically real of that level? Or is it, I mean, so did manger really see voice, um, is that really a craft at that side? But it happened, what do we, we get to point where real becomes a bit of a victim? You mentioned earlier, demons or demonic possession. Could it be that what we're experiencing is a parasitic form of this intelligence that latches onto certain people and changes their perception and affects their consciousness in certain ways?

38:45I think it was going to say a light play. It's possible. Yeah, light play. My understanding from definition terms is critical and stuff. And it's like Eddan Lorraine Warren's definition would have been, if it hasn't walked on the earth in human form, it's demonic. But I'm proposing, and I'm not the other one proposing that, UAP plasmas are potentially sentient beings. So does that make up demons? I said, no, I mean, well, I may have I die, I said no, but then what does that actually mean? But the same time, I'm much is suggesting that they're soul craft, as in they have got a psychic connection, unconscious connection to, so a plasma has an unconscious connection to our unconscious. When we get confused if you're trying to, if you think about things completely neuro-rurgical, because that doesn't really work, but then we make an assumption, like here. So as far as the demon part goes, we have, in psychology, I'm not a psychologist, as I mentioned, a scientist with a background,

39:46as a background, but I'm in a software engineer. So I've studied young psychology, and Rikian psychologist, Wilhelm Rik was obviously another procedure of fraud, and stuff, so he did psych, is on, or gone to me to call it. But I'm not actually a psychologist, so I don't, I'm trying to learn as a good, trying to understand the phenomenon, but my understanding is that we have, when's the prep, you're talking, actually, yes, I don't know, whether it was yesterday, or the last video he did with Jason. I mean, you're talking about the idea of trauma, how trauma can trigger events, and trigger phenomenon, phenomena. Well, that's, I've seen, this is what I see within the, how the pulse guys, phenomena functions, and also, and you get that could, by extension, isn't that far removed from the demonet, cleanse of demonic possession stuff. But the differences from where I would see is that it's not necessarily something, necessarily external. It could be something that, which is a secondary, put what we're young called, secondary personality from the personal unconscious.

40:46And what it means by that, it's something that I do is how poltergeist phenomena, how you have this expression of some other personality. You can take the classic case of Voron Kahnkeller, which is depicted by the Reagan in the film, the Exist. So, Ronald Kahnkeller as a boy, his aunt was a practicing spiritualist, or should he be doing, like, using beach boards a lot, and all the time, and he was doing that as a kid. And so, and I was watching a video recently, where I was supposed to just think there's the idea of sexual abuse might be a behind the case. I've read the books, but I understand I think it might more to the fact that he was playing with the beachy boards. You know, he may be, this, you can't, it doesn't prove that there's sexual abuse behind it, it's just like this film, it happens, how that said, it's been shown, but in studies of poltergeist phenomena, and John Mack and Dr Kenneth Ringnaught did this in their books about UFO productions, is that incidents, there's a higher incidence of people with that kind of background, sexual sexual abuse, or it's other kind of abuse from trauma, other trauma from other,

41:47other other issues leads to more experiences of this type within people. So, from the New England psychology, if I'm young, PhD paper was about secondary personalities, and how he argues that behind the occult phenomena of doing sense, is expressing voices and sciences, is these voices that come forward are secondary personalities. So, within, it's like the idea, when you were playing with the Uidji board, or you maybe just asking yourself questions, and you're writing it down, you're essentially, I'm like a software engineer, something that's completely from a software perspective, it's like in computing, where you have a foreground process, really, because I'm like looking at you on Google Chrome, so that's a foreground process, but behind the scenes is the, there's the, he looks, there's all the other programs working, there's software, and diviris, that kind of stuff, they had background processes, we call them DEMA processes for a reason. So, they're in the background, but sometimes, if the primary consciousness, if the primary consciousness,

42:47come just disabilities, and so it's because they're, well, for many different ways, some background processes could take over. Normally, that doesn't happen, because we really have, they're just not engaged, but there's a point, there's a practice you can do within yourself, to have to encourage and to become engaged, and that's what we do, but it can happen naturally as well, throughout that. So, that's an aspect of what you could maybe cut, called not a demon, but the question there comes, well, that's the personal conscious, what happens if you look, you'll see this is a contact beyond the veil to something of what you would call the collective unconscious. So, yeah, but basically, all they do, both. I mentioned this yesterday, with Jason as well, through the MK-Altra program, this was one of the main goals, is to inflict trauma and expand consciousness to either create altars

43:47or reach something they had inside themselves already, and many also say that they try and reach other things, other kind of intelligences, by inflicting the trauma. Through letter agencies, military industrial complex has known a lot about this for a very long time. Yeah, I'm going to that, but the reason for doing it is, it's very different. Yes, very different. Very awful. I think we have a, yeah, but they would see, I mean, it's seen that how that would relate to people who have natural conscious, for example, crisis lights, inspectors, concept cr- it's that kind of, I mean, it's almost like a look back at the fear fight of the number of the Second World War of flights over, you know, the Gotley Bombay, which Germany, and I kind of look at the fear fight of the number now, which was type up the typology if you find this was a light pretty much, but they were metallic, some of them some transparent, but they were like, it's almost like they were the very different. And for a long time, I considered that maybe that it was because, well, people don't fly wouldn't aeroplanes anymore at that altitude. So there's lots of, there's lots of special,

44:48there's lots of reasons why they might be a phenomenon that's different, but ultimately, it might also be that psychological aspect to it from the trauma of that war times scenario. And there was interesting, there was a difference in the type of phenomena of the fear fight of phenomena. Dr. David Griggs, he was a, he was a, I think it was a physicist, I think, he was worked with a radiation laboratory at MIT during the war, and he was sent to Europe to, what, fight in the European front, so he was a pilot, he was an expert in radar, basically, so he was a pilot, and he was, he was, he was, he would collect air and counter reports of the fear fight from the pilots in Europe, Europe, Germany. And he got moved to the Pacific Theatre of War after the end of War in Europe, but he noticed that in Japan, the type of food fighters were all different, there was one type, there was red fireballs, so I'm looking, there was a geographic located about certain places as well, and I'm wondering if that exists, and then that might be a cultural difference

45:48between like European peoples, and Japanese kind of peoples, that could, that could, could that cause the difference in typology of the phenomenon? Let's talk a little bit about how altered states can connect with this, specifically psychedelics. I was talking with Jason about this as well. They have the DMTX extended release experiments where people are having IV drips of DMT, so they can effectively map the realms or attempt to map them, and identify different intelligences or beings that they come across. To me, one of the most interesting parts is people that go in there and they're approached by some kind of mantis being or extraterrestrial, that relays that they're not supposed to be they're doing like this, or they're not supposed to be doing it as much as they are, and they get kicked out, and not only can they not get back in there, they don't even feel the effects of DMT for extended periods of time.

46:50What are your thoughts on what's happening with psychedelics? What is that connecting us to? It's another means to do the same thing as UFOs do. A U.S.P. Termis McKenna was, he noted that Salasai bin Mushrooms was basically giving you the, it was a remarkable disilma to the UFO content experience. It even gives you visionary eye visionaries, probably the wrong word, to use imagery of a spearships and that kind, the whole UFO kind of gamut really, and it's like, well, why would, why would take using the taking side of Salasai bin do that? Well, there's probably no reason that the fact we're breaking parts of the mind, that's probably sealed off from that big, the way I see this from a conscious and subjective is that we have, we're conscious and civilized in biology, but we've, through natural selection and evolution, we have a, this, we have a, a need to,

47:50for a survival perspective, you have, you've got a focus and task, if you were completely, if you're a story, if you were to know, be all knowing and all this kind of stuff, you'd never necessarily go, like, countrying and gathering and before you know it, you're, you're just going to slide, you, you, you society would probably, maybe, maybe fall apart, maybe, we are a product of, obviously, a lot, a millennia of working towards how, in a certain way, just to keep in the now, to keep the self, essentially. But, what, in our quiet moments, however, whatever brings us quite moments about, whether it's just sitting out night and chilling out, which is what, you know, back in the olden days, a big pill, it is, that's what they would do night time in the, from the fire. That's the time when these things come out. But in the daytime, they'd be all, they'd be all hunting and gathering, focus on the, on the self. But, I think what we've got now is, well, with, with, whether it's through psychedelics, or a field induction, a matter of the human brain, like, person who describes, that's kind of,

48:51we're achieving kind of the same thing, where the normal processes are being interrupted, and the natural, the normal, normal, yeah, not, that's the normal, normal state, I guess, is being, is being exposed. And that is the normal state. So, our neurological state of our beings is, it's pretty, essentially, wide to not have that, because from a natural perspective, from a natural, sorry, from an evolutionary perspective, it would be, not this, it would be, for some reason, it wouldn't be as, likely to achieve the outcome for survival of the species. Well, that's, that's a collective in, discuss, we're looking back to the self, it's like, well, we are, what do we really mean by, self from the psychology perspective? Yeah, but self from the consciousness perspective, is our consciousness truly unique. And we know what, do we, we've got, we look, I'm looking around, we've got, we've got, we use our senses to see, and experience things,

49:51but ultimately, is that, is that conscious, the sentience part, is that really that different from the thing else? And I think this, these things lift the veil. And quite what those, other others, whether it's the mantids are, because that concept, if they've been pushed back, and that happens in both, in contact, two stories within the body, you've got to use, from reductions, our species as well. I think of a number of contact, I think, and other, as the stories where, someone has been about taking the body, their spirit, and they've been pushing it, and they've been pushing it. So, that's, even that bit, can I tell is a little bit, but, yeah. Another means to achieve the same, the communion with something quite while that is. Do you have any thoughts about why some of the abduction's manifest as scientific experiments, hybridization programs, extracting sperm and eggs from human beings, And on the other side of that, people have these profound experiences that change their

50:55lives when they've been told that humans need to change their ways. We need to save the earth. We need to save the planet. Nuclear weapons are bad. So we have these two very different aspects of what's happening during contact and abduction experiences. Any thoughts about why it's manifesting that way? Well, yeah. So I focus on the second one. What was the first part again? So the hybridization. Oh, yeah, the hybrid. Yeah. So let's see. Oh, I've got the guy's name. JK, it was a David Jacobs kind of ideas. Yeah, there's. It's, well, the thing, the I. Within the cult, there's a tradition. I don't really know much about this, but there's a tradition where, for example, witches would be seen to have an interest in the stomach area. And it kind of just, it does relate to, I don't know much about this, I have to say, but I just noticed that, well, yeah, there's an interesting reproduction.

51:58It's not the only phenomenon that is. It's not the only, it's just another interpretation of the same thing. And the other aspect is also sex with a human or some kind of sexual act, which is really interesting as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that comes across in the, is it a Brazilian case of boh acid? Yeah. Yeah, I've got a cycle. But yeah, so he got to, in a certain sense, you can think, think of that as a, I, for a while, I was thinking about this as like the Annamar expression thing, again, the animus. Although there's a book that I, yes, of course, Stephen Jenkins, I think it's a British book, an old one by Column, discovered, discovered country. And it's really interesting. It's kind of, I found it really interesting because it's really like what I talk, what I, every certain, was a research about to do with the, uh, Plasbury and that kind of stuff. But it turns, he starts talking in his book about practicing, I don't know what he took, what the terminology, well, tantric sex being one part of what he was interested in.

53:00And he was discussing how he would be having intercourse with this, not his, high self, I don't really know how he described that kind of thing he described. Yeah. So he had a really different take on the, the problem of an eye, I'd considered, um, from, from a personal perspective, it's like that's one aspect, but I don't understand how that kind of works. There's a fascinating book by Ingles Guancó and Colts Psychic Sexuality, which I recommend everyone have a look at. There's a, I dug into that because it just talks about Wilha Raik, but his technical comprehension of the sciences stuff isn't there, but he's some really profound stuff he comes up with. Xeé Fregalguis, for example, that the gender differences are completely theoretical in nature and how you can have manifestations of, you know, all the typical parts within the theory forms. And I thought that's, I'm just really interested. But yeah, that's as much as my, I would acknowledge it on that. Well, the other aspect of that is the positive contact experiences where most of them have this recurring theme of we have to be better human, save the planet, stop making nuclear

54:05weapons, save the environment, things like that. But that's understandable. That's a, that's a basic survival idea. Yeah, in this afternoon, actually, I was just going through some, like, chronifying some notes just for, and I found something I'd written about a contactee from Skitting where I live in North Yorkshire. And this guy was a, from police officer and he was a, he was a police sergeant, I'm a local police station. And he talked about just this kind of thing out of the, how would the, he, he was, he was really a profound youthful, so I think all the police officers just not far from where I live. And, but he got into mental communication with entities that he got to go out there and Chinese being like, this is like in the 1980s, the 90s. So he Chinese, Tony Dodd was in the research, the police, the police one. So he Chinese torchlight at the youthfuls and they flushed back and he had mental communication with them as well. But sometimes he'd ask questions and he became direct answers. Sometimes they'd get messages to come to him direct. And he would, he'd talk about this kind of thing. It's all about, oh, we're here for two minutes at the Earth, we're here to look after, we've

55:07been watching over you for a millennia. Are this kind of, this kind of the same kind of thing. And in a sense, the way it makes me feel is that how these others are really just another part of ourselves, the bit, the bit of just managing the process of what we're doing here. Right. But not necessarily in the fariest way, it's much, there is much as part of we are. Yeah. Internal aspects of ourselves, making adjustments as it goes along, I couldn't tell you how many cases where a person is going down a very bad path or having addiction problems, bad relationships and something will happen to them. They will have a profound paranormal experience within the experience. They are told that they have to make some changes and that profoundly affects their life and they're able to make those changes. But it's an effective way to make yourself make those changes. If something appears to you as an alien or a bigfoot, it would be much more impactful

56:10that way than having to go to rehab or something like that. That's interesting. Yeah. It's the way I use that. I always wondered if we got calls and affect the wrong way around with this as well. We kind of assumed that. Yeah. In my book, I got an entire chapter called Soulcraft which co-started to talk about the Hills of Genesis, psychedelics part and then go into the outlaw and describe already a soulcraft. But after finishing the chapter, I discovered another book called Soulcraft. I forgot the soul title for the book, but it's by a psychologist called Bill Plotkin. So his general idea was, he wasn't interested in the evils when I was looking at this. He was a professor of, I don't know what his professor was, he would press it in the university. He had a kind of spiritual awakening of sorts and decided to quit his job and just do something more profound, more soulful, I described it. But what he decided to do was come up with a modern interpretation of what, in the West, the agus that we're way missing the initiation experience that traditional cultures had, we're

57:12missing that in our culture. And rather than borrowing other cultures, the agus that we should create our own, that's a bit more specific to our current state, so how we are as a society. And that's what he and his parents could try to do in a call that's their call, that's soulcraft. And so in what, the ultimately, I think there is a, yeah, it's bringing them, it's bringing the soul back together with, you know, the conscious mind bringing them, making them more whole as a human being is what is it is trying to be achieved. Now I think that's, that's something that comes out of the above adoption, phenomena too. That's what, that's what's seen from that. And you, you know, Carl Jung himself came up with a concept that he called individuation, which was essentially bringing together the unconscious components with the conscious mind. And it gives an example for that, which I really am a book actually about how he's on the deaf is, he gives an example of the deaf is wife where he comes to terms with

58:12her passing. And he calls that as an example of individuation, that's one type. But individuation would be the same thing at plotkin describes is what we think with terms soul initiation, which is we just lost it, we've lost ourselves. Yes. This is why it comes up in new production. I think that's the ultimate meaning of maybe of adoption, because I think just on the previous program you were talking about the idea of the, the, the, the, the, the, the non physical adoption scenarios, a spiritual, the decoy, and I don't wonder how much of it, whether that might be the majority of it, but we saw deep, I was so, I was, all the heart, I was all the, our unconscious that we just don't recognize what's going on. And we assume it's this physical space when really is what my claim calls a deeper reality. It's something that's not beyond. Yeah, another phenomenon connected to that, that's absolutely fascinating is what people call spiritual surgeries. They have a UFO alien abduction, they'll have a ayahuasca experience, a psychedelic experience,

59:15or even a profound meditative experience where in the aetheric realms, whatever these things are would perform some kind of healing or surgery on them. Many of them would have debilitating diseases, cancers, and oftentimes they'd come back and it'd be gone. So there's also that miraculous healing aspect. Yeah, I met a Rodwell kind of documents that, but also the fact that contact to you, you've adopted his tentage to kind of develop those for themselves as well, of some of the people that becomes more apparent. Yeah. Is there any information that you want to get out there that we haven't covered yet for the last three minutes? I suppose one thing, I'd like to talk about the police officer mentioned before. Yeah. Yeah, it's totally like, it was one of my inspiration to see, so like he was, he had a profound, I think I said, you're some image that they couldn't make them available. Sure, sure. So the author of the producer of U4 magazine, which is British magazine from the 80s, his

1:00:17brother actually equals Matt Burst, so he did the artwork for it, but you can see it's a typical fine saw. So it was a sighting made by like three police officers in total. And it was that kind of sighting that became, got inspired me to get interested in a phenomenon because it's local to me. And it's just, I just feel like, I feel like for some Dodd's work is opened up more of an understanding of the phenomenon. And people tend not to see him as a contactee. It's not as a U4 researcher in the UK. Ten people forget that he wasn't just sighting. He was also talking to a complicit, excited to be extra special beings. And he was, apparently, when it was, I say, apparently there's a video about where he claims he says he used to record these messages. He got these channel downloaded information, and he was, he was, he was, he was, he was he would, you know, back in the 90s, he recorded it onto cassette tape. And so it's, it's big public set tape recording his voice and what the aliens are told them. And he used to kind of like take that to, and those, and give them to this, the hospice a near where people used to go to, you know, at the end of life.

1:01:19And just to help them come to not terms, but just to help them feel better or basically induce the process of individuation, as you'm called, I'm now seeing, and also soul initiation. Because it's the, it's this, one of the, the bill, um, bill talking, I just shows that, um, it's, most people don't experience all encountered for the entire life. And if you do it at the end, because it's the biggest, you grow a crisis, you'll face. And, but, but for everybody, I, I do wonder if this is what's happening with your folks' experience. It's, it's, it's triggering. Maybe we've drifted so far away from the norm that we're having this on mass because we're a bit, we're just disconnected. And that's what causes the difference. Other cultures, as far as I understand, I'm led to believe, just done differentiate between the visionaries experience and reality as we do. And I think maybe that's where we've got a bit lost, literally. Yes. These possibilities really resonate with me. Anthony, thank you so much.

1:02:20This was fantastic. We will definitely do this again. There's much more we could get into before I let you go, remind the audience how they can pick up the book. Yeah, you can find pro to you first, Poltergeist and Plasma Craft and Amazon, Banzan Noble, or you could go to the publisher website, ideadepress.co.uk. Excellent. Anthony, have an excellent evening. And until next time, everyone, have a wonderful night. We will talk again tomorrow. Hey, guys, I want to reintroduce you all to C60 power. C60 is a super antioxidant. It works at the cellular level to neutralize oxidative stress and free radicals. It promotes a healthy inflammatory response, a balanced immune and histamine response. And most people note an increase in energy and mental clarity when adding it to their daily morning routine. I started taking C60 in 2020 and the benefits I've experienced are absolutely incredible. I used to be overweight, sick, and tired all the time.

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