Are Spirits Watching… or Waiting? Part One | Grave Talks CLASSIC

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2:17It started as an innocent business trip to one of the most haunted cities in the world, New Orleans. Shortly after checking into his room, Brian Deats began feeling watched. After searching his room, Brian soon found himself the recipient of a life-changing paranormal experience that would put him on a path searching for answers. What answers he's found on his journey would change his life. As he realized that as much as he may be searching for spirits, spirits may be targeting him. I was a little disoriented, but I felt a lot of fear and it was unusual or not a fear.

3:22I went to go close a door and lock a door near the front entryway and when I reached out for the door, it slammed closed on me and I didn't even touch the knob. That was probably my very first freak out moment that I thought, well this is something going on here that's not explainable. I didn't understand why I even felt so much fear and dread in that moment either. Worked a while was even so concerned about walking, not the primary house door, but a different door. That would probably be my very first intro into that. You are a little kid and you're feeling insecure and scared for some reason and you don't know why. So your initial reaction is to provide more security for yourself and that's to go and lock the door. Once that door literally just slipped out of your hands and grip and slammed on its own,

4:27what was your reaction? What was going through your mind at that moment? I ran like hell. I ran and like most kids do. I ran to my bedroom and hit under my covers and freaked out and waited patiently, turning all the lights on in between until my folks come back from the market. They weren't gone very long but it felt like forever when you're a kid and you freaked out. Did you go and tell your parents what had happened? I did and I don't recall the reaction. I'm sure it was more like, oh it was probably this or that or some kind of explain it away. I think I was more distraught and probably not making any sense trying to tell them. Yeah. And a lot of parents would have that reaction either because they don't believe or because they're just trying to calm their child down. As you had that first experience

5:30in that house, were there other things that happened while you were young there or in other locations? Not that I recall at that point, that one was the most potent in my mind. I have a lot of mental blocks on childhood things, unfortunately. But my adult life, I, well as a kid, I always like stuff like Ghostbusters and I'm a kid of the early 80s, I'm born in 1980. So I grew up watching Scooby Doo every day and I grew up watching the real Ghostbusters cartoons and stuff like that right after school every single day and I love the Ghostbusters movies and Bill Murray and everything else. And that kind of probably sparked a lifelong interest in paranormal where I've always been drawn to all kinds of things. In my 20s, I like ant-rice novel vampires and it just throughout, I've always been very fascinated and I always

6:32felt like there was more to this world than what we see on the surface and that there's got to be more that we're not seeing on day day basis and what we're being told, mostly what we're being told. But there's a whole other level of interesting layer to our existence that we science and nobody else wants to claim as true. Tell me about as you got older, you obviously had that childhood experience. So you kind of had a little bit of a taste of something that was bizarre and unexplainable. But I totally understand your mindset of growing up in the 80s, I was born in 82. So yeah, we had the same sort of upbringing in terms of what was around us in terms of popular culture and interest in that area and Ghostbusters, etc. As you got older and you continue to kind of have this interest and this passion, maybe not necessarily things going on around you, but there's

7:34the curiosity that's there and you're drawn to those sort of things. How did you take a first step that moved you beyond just, I like watching Ghostbusters when it's on TBS to, I think I want to go take a look at this a little bit deeper. What were some of your first steps in that direction? Honestly, watching Ghost Adventures and certain shows on TV, I really started to take a liking to you, paranormal ghost stories. I started binge-watched everything I could get my hands on. And I started to realize and wonder how much of this is television production and how much of this is legitimate because there's just so darn much of it that's starting to spur with the internet and YouTube and other sources, not just on television and cable networks and whatnot.

8:36And it makes you start to wonder and I didn't really pay much my due. I thought maybe it was all entertainment and maybe it wasn't. And I was on a work trip in New Orleans and it was my first time in New Orleans as an adult and I was super excited and I booked a hotel near Berbon Street because I was looking forward to checking out Berbon Street when I wasn't working and it was a lot of ability in hotel. And I went to Berbon Street and I hung out for a little bit that night and then I went back to my room and the whole time I was from when I first stepped foot in the hotel, I felt like I was being watched and it really, it really freaked me out because I thought, well what's going on here? And I have all my work tools and everything else with me. By this time I'm like 28, 29. But I had all my work tools with me for a job and I just kept

9:37feeling like man this place is old and it's kind of got a creepy vibe to it and what do I feel like I'm being watched the whole time I'm here. And I actually thought at one point I was like do they have some kind of like hidden camera paper cams or something going on in here because it's such an overwhelming feeling of being watched that you can't shake it no matter where you go and then I realized I'm even feeling this when I'm in the bathroom. Like I'm feeling it in my room, I'm feeling it in the hallways and I don't understand and I just I really thought at one point like maybe they have some kind of weird camera things set up so it took my tools out and I started taking things apart. I think and I was going to find some little hidden cameras somewhere and I started opening vents and I started taking apart lamps and I started going well there's nothing here and I still feel like I'm being watched and even more so now that I'm taking stuff apart. I had the wildest

10:41craziest dreams of my life that night. I've had very potent unexplainable dreams before that stick with me for years and then I have dreams where you forget this ends your wake up almost but there's been certain dreams throughout my life and I was still kind of weirdy different and I didn't understand why. I just thought I was weird and maybe I am just weird I don't know but I don't claim to be to know what what's going on but as far as that night goes it was very peculiar that dream in particular. I was seeing a time period in New Orleans that I had no knowledge of like I'm a pretty I like history a lot but I had no knowledge of this weird battle scenario that I was somehow involved in but it wasn't me but it was me and there was carry clothing details that I couldn't have possibly found them and there were

11:43all these this wild like fight in New Orleans like olden times there's like there was like a boardwalk and it was wood and there was fire things weren't fire and I didn't understand and how the heck I could have such a weird dream out of the blue like that and when I woke up I felt very disoriented like way more than usual I had some sleep paralysis that night as well and that's always fun. You sleep paralysis something that you experience on a semi-regular basis or is that kind of every no okay it's rare it's rare for me but it has happened and I used to travel around the country and Canada a lot for work and it has happened in places like New York and New Orleans in certain places that's been pretty um pretty scary if I'm gonna say I don't like these that word but it was pretty pretty scary stuff to not be able to scream and try to scream

12:43and feel like people are around you and holding you down yeah things like but in that particular case I didn't feel held down I just felt like I couldn't yell and break myself out of that dream and the morning I tried to shake it off best I could jump to the shower got my tools ready got ready for work and I was waiting for them to pull my car around the L.A. and I kept talking to myself and I still felt like I was being launched and I was like why what the heck was that yeah was that really what what the heck was that and I kept shaking my own my head and going this isn't this is not right like there's something really like we're going on I was like screw it I'm gonna sound crazy I'm just gonna ask the guy I walked up to the clerk at the front desk and um I said I know this sounds weird and it sounds crazy but is this hotel haunted and he didn't miss a beat he said yeah isn't that why you stayed here and I said what it turns out

13:46the La Pavilion near a urban street it's not on urban street but it's nearby walking distance um it uh maybe I'm pronouncing around a lot patting the hans it it's one of the it's on a lot of top on a hotel but yeah in the country and I would so anytime this is what I tell people if the paranormal finds you when you're not looking for it pay attention and after that point I couldn't look at the world the same way I had to start thinking holy crap this is real and what does that mean and and now I need to know more and then that was the deep dive of that point into all things paranormal every every thing I could get my hands on show wise every story I could hear from anybody a lot of different things after that point let's talk about the let's talk about the let's talk about the dream for a moment when you were in that dream when you look back on it

14:54was that a dream that you had control over like oftentimes dreams you know you're you're living your life you're going about whatever setting the rain but you're in control and there's ones where it's almost like you're on rails you're just kind of watching it as you go I was watching it as it happened even though I was watching myself it felt like an astral projection now that I know more about paranormal and things like that mm-hmm that I was watching myself but it was not myself fight this battle with other people in period time clothing that I didn't know anything about detailed buttons and you know the hat styles of the time and and things like that and it was for too detailed to have been my imagination yeah let me ask you this about about your mindset in that dream and maybe you can recall this maybe you can't but I'll ask it anyway when you were there and you you were watching yourself although you knew that was not you that you were watching but

15:58you identified that's you over there when when you were in that state were you able to identify traits of your your existing life like whatever may be around you friends family was there any recollection of any of that or were you almost in this mindset almost as if somebody wiped out if your mind were a hard drive they wiped it out and now you are operating as a different person you know completely different mindset completely different information but you're alive and this is you going forward and you're operating as someone else that's that's right it felt more like that there was nothing familiar about it whatsoever to me there was no one I knew or recognized it was a complete it was like someone was showing me something own memories is what it felt like after the fact even though I felt like that was me it was not my face it was a man and it was different colored eyes and he was pissed and fighting a fight and

17:07against I don't even know who an adversary will things burn down around him and it was definitely in olden times where all the shops and stuff were like wood and and brick and mortar and not what we would currently use for construction in any way shape or form sure and when you have an experience like that some will look at that and say well maybe that was a past life I don't I don't necessarily subscribe to that anything being possible in this world but I almost kind of look at those experiences myself and I'm interested to hear your perspective on it as more so like a download where suddenly you know you get this chunk of data of someone else's life and you're viewing it you're you put the DVD in and you're watching this and as long as you're enthralled into that moment that is your world and then once it's gone it's gone but then you have to look at it go why why did I get this information why did someone show me this is there a purpose to that maybe there's not maybe you're just there and then you just happen to be in the stream of where

18:11this energy and this data is is flowing what are your thoughts when you look back on that retrospectively as to what you experienced what how do you define what happened to you I consider that I have had some past life well for one the past life recollection things that have occurred in my own life have only occurred very recently and so yeah I did look back at that and think well maybe it was a past life but then I want to say it was not because I did not relate like even though I felt like it was me but wasn't me in more current situations where I felt I was very very aware of which ones which scenarios were my own potential past life it resonates differently this was more like what you said this was a download of information someone else was showing me

19:12their life and their experience and they wanted me to know their story and and that's exactly what that that particular dream session had felt like was that I was there getting a taste of what they went through and what they had to deal with and the rage and the aggression and all these strong emotions of having a fight for what you believe in and a lot of things that at the time I was just thinking well I'm gonna go to work the next day you know I wasn't looking for any of this I know I was staying in a haunted hotel I didn't have any of that preconceived notion I mean I might have fixed some some preconceived notions up on the street just walking up and down Bourbon Street they have a lot of Ludo shops and different Ludo shops and all kinds of fun fun great things if and it was a Tuesday night on Bourbon Street it wasn't even like a weekend or anything it was like a Monday or Tuesday night and I don't know if you've ever been in New Orleans at any time of day on a Monday or Tuesday night but Bourbon Street's popping every night of the week

20:18it doesn't matter if it's Marta Grott as long as the weather's decent things are going on on Bourbon Street that's one of my favorite places in the whole world to visit is New Orleans because the rich history and and you know getting into the paranormal it's like you can't turn around there without bumping into someone or something related to paranormal or history or and the food's delicious too I love Creole from the agent food. The history of that hotel I'm assuming after this experience and then you launching into trying to learn all you can about this this topic what did you find about the history of the property that you were at? Actually it's kind of the opposite I only I only started to poke at the history I think initially I was still trying to wrap my brain around everything okay and a part of me was really focused on my job in my career where I couldn't allow it to determine from my job at the time because I was

21:25you know I had a tight deadline I was at a tight deadline I stress in and out kind of a situation sure and so I didn't allow myself the time or the mentality I compartmentalized the whole thing okay and when I looked at it after the fact I found out a little bit about it and that was that it had been a plantation at one point it had different different part things different things related to it related unfortunately to slavery and to you know the south and there's been multiple deaths and I think there was a fire and and there were all these different things over a long course of time was a lot older than I thought it was it's a fantastic building if you ever do get the opportunity to stay there it is absolutely beautiful they've done an amazing job keeping it not new age they've made it beautiful and the way that it should be retained in my mind and not

22:26try to well they haven't obviously you know upgrades for hotel reasons and everything but as far as keeping like gorgeous you know time for you to chandeliers and paintings and even just the walls and stuff the whole place is pretty fantastic and they have a pool on the on the roof and it's a great place if you ever get a chance to stay there in New Orleans I've been back since knowing just time I went in knowing but without any real equipment and I was using the phone app and some some you know little stuff but I was once again it was another work trip that had brought me there and so I didn't really have a lot of time to spend and the phone apps are always you know questionable they they have to be labeled as entertainment for many reasons and sometimes that's what they are and you know if it if it was the thing I've discovered about phone apps are at least

23:30in my own experience is that spirits and paranormal can interact with phone apps if they're around however I've also seen phone apps just generate random gibberish like august so you never you have to really use another method to verify against a phone app unless you have multiple phones and things are just way too coincidental sometimes for instance I was on the roof and I was getting frustrated feeling like all this phone apps probably to scrap and it probably doesn't work and it's probably fake and whatever and I had it on on the I don't think I should mention the name of the app because I use it and I like it but I um anyway I had it on and I was starting to think like man this is maybe this is all you know baloney and I would have figured it and started smoking

24:34and as soon as I did it said cancer and I was like great okay it's a little too coincidental for my taste yeah I mean um I don't know out of all the thousands and thousands of words within five seconds of lighting a cigarette it says cancer it really makes you have to think there's some validity to yeah some of these things or or at least that spirits are able to interact with it whether it's randomly generated or not well and some of them um I found that spirit manipulation through audio is something I really enjoy because I have kind of an audio background career wise audio video background and so I've found different ways of audio delay and manipulation with spirits can really really utilize that to communicate in very amazing ways with things

25:35such as portals and ghost boxes you know even the SB7 but the SB7 plus a portal or a ghost box type thing that allows you know allows you to manipulate the audio a little more and add some reverb and some different things to it it really changes the game it gives them to my honest opinion and from messing around with the technology and trying to communicate in many places it it seems like if you can give them a little bit of extra time and a little bit of reverb and a little bit of k and a little bit of something on top of white noise or you can even drown out the white noise and that's what those portals are great for grounding out that annoying white noise after 20 minutes you got to headache but if you can give them and buy them a little extra delay time a little extra reverb a little extra moment in there they can manipulate that audio

26:36in amazing ways to try to communicate with you in forward sentences and that's just my own personal experience you know working with that kind of equipment building it myself after after buying it checking it out and started building my own and that's why I started a spectral steward.com was to start manufacturing equipment for the field and doing variations on things why do you think and it's just an opinion based question when you look back on the experience especially that initial experience in that room we had the sleep paralysis and all of those moments that really were kind of life changing for you why do you think it targeted you to give you that message or or you just kind of in the right place at the right time and whoever had had the keys to that room that night would have also had that same experience what are your thoughts on that well in retrospect I feel like it I am and I've always been an empath and or some form

27:40of medium ship and I did not recognize it as such and I've never even liked using the words for myself because I felt like well that's not me that's not me I don't have those gifts I've never seen this I've never heard this you know but I've met quite a few psychic mediums and a ton of empaths in the last few years and diving into this field and the more that I have the more that I realize well wait a minute maybe this is part of me I've always seemed to have a knack for I've never really understood it but people tend to come up to me and just are talking to me and then they just tell me everything yeah and I don't I've never understood why and I've tried to figure it out and I don't know what that is I feel like it's some kind of a gift that was maybe given to me I'm not sure from from God or from whoever you want to look at but it feels like

28:43it has a purpose or there's a purpose behind it there's a need and there's got to be a reason you know I mean people people don't just walk up the people and tell and just tell you their life story out of nowhere and then go I don't know why I even just told you my whole life story I don't even know who you are I just met you five minutes ago you know I'm not sure if it's I'm not sure what it is to be honest I don't know if it's something to do with empathic abilities or or psychic or mediumship I don't know I can't seem to find a label that fit yeah most labels don't seem to fit anybody if you really look at them it's just it's always been a thing where where people have always felt very comfortable talking to me and very comfortable opening up to me about very private things that I don't know if it's because I'm non-judgmental or they see something I don't see I tend to see the potential in people and try to uplift people and make them realize their potential

29:43and that's just something that's always naturally kind of occurred and I never really thought much of it because I just kind of figured that's just how everybody was but it's only been pointed out to me fairly recently within the last few years that no that's not normal yeah and then that's always funny when you have those moments because to you your whole life that's been normal that's just been kind of how life is and you really everybody doesn't have these experiences right yeah it can be kind of a an eye opening moment especially for something you've been so conditioned to believe is just you know normal yeah that's go ahead that's a trick is sorry there's a lot of unlearning what we think we know sure and I've found that in the paranormal in particular what we've been told and what we think we know and what we've assumed and all these things if you step back and you try to unlearn what you believe that you know about the world and the paranormal and everything you look at it with fresh your eyes and it resonates very

30:49differently sometimes different topics if you can allow yourself to unlearn what you've been told your whole life yeah I would completely agree I think there's a lot of almost unlearning that needs to go on in this field in terms of what our expectations are and and what we think we know because a lot of us go into this you know thinking oh I'm going to have more answers you will have certainly more answers but you're going to have more questions as well and it just makes it makes it you'll be more informed than you were in the past but I always hate the term expert in this field because I get that thrown at me all the time because we probably have more audio of ghost stories in our archive than anyone in history but I I'm not an expert I can I can relate probably more stories than most could just because of the sheer volume that have come into me but it's I'm by far no one can be an expert in something that none of us can truly explain so it's I would

31:53totally agree with you on that I feel like the term expert gets thrown around a lot yeah professional professionals in these year definition if you look at the words words are really important and if you stop to look at the roots of the words one of my favorite authors and paranormal enthusiasts not enthusiasts but paranormal I want to say professional paranormal professional and author is John EL Tenney and I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work but but he has a great great track record with paranormal and how he I love his outlook on the paranormal in particular because he's one to make you question the meaning and root of words and if you look at the word you know expert you know who's really an expert at anything right sure they they they make certain I mean labels are a problem in every in every day life

32:55expectations come with labels and that's a problem you know you you call someone your girlfriend and suddenly you have expectations you you you call someone an expert and somebody's going to make up their own expectations and their own head of what that means to them and if you're not fulfilling those expert expectations that you know nothing about then suddenly you're not really an expert and it's a problem yeah to place labels and but when you come to the term professional that's just someone that gets paid to do something like what we're doing right now sure sir talking to my phone and whatnot and then that would be a professional that's the definition I mean but if you don't look at the root of the words and some of them those labels can really stack up pretty quick again it does or for you one way or the other let's talk about sleep paralysis a little bit more I know you had the experience in that hotel in New Orleans but I know you also said you have experiences not frequently but but have had some throughout your

33:56life obviously many people have different labels if you will that are attached to sleep paralysis some will say it's simply your mind and it's it's a state of sleep and it's kind of just that weird you know almost like you got your mind hacked a little bit and you're you're kind of entering that state of halfway awake halfway asleep and it can do many weird things to you and I believe that exists but I also believe that maybe sometimes energies or entities can manipulate us into those states and also use them as as a catalyst for whatever they may be doing or want to communicate to you what are your thoughts on your experiences with sleep paralysis as what it is you experienced and and why that's a great question I wish I knew I wish I knew what it was for sure yeah that I could say for certain I've seen sleep paralysis use and I try to do my

34:57homework as far as it's it's highly referenced with alien abduction it's highly referenced with potential implants and and a lot of different things along with spirits and with all kinds of entities that are exactly just that's the real root of it right there trying to do something to or or show you something or make you feel something and then if you look at you know doctors and scientists they say well it's like you said your your brain is half asleep and you're not fully awake and you think you're awake and it's a moment where your your brain is awake and you and you might be receiving information from the world but your body is not woken up yet and so that you're stuck kind of in your own body um me personally I think it varies I I feel like I've had sleep paralysis where I definitely felt like there were things around me what those things were I couldn't tell you

35:59it was usually dark and I just felt presence around me um I couldn't say one way or the other if it was potentially an alien or potentially just my own whatever but I will say that most of the time that's happened has not been um in places that wouldn't be haunted and or in places that may very well have some kind of other interest or energy going on there uh I don't recall ever having it in my home or in um even growing up I don't recall having it as an adult I started having it and it was mostly when I traveled uh places like New York New York City and places like New Orleans and Long Island I mean there's there's been places where I've definitely experienced some really weird stuff that I could not explain but did not have time to explain because I was running out the door to do my job yeah and um when it comes to experiences I actually have a ton of experience

37:00I just didn't start having them until I got older and the more I felt connected and aware of the paranormal it's kind of like digging down a rabbit hole so the deeper you dive down the rabbit hole the more you open your mind and the more receptive you become in my mind um the more you allow your brain to be receptive the more aware you are is my experience more open-minded you are the more aware you become um the I went to a strange escape to the three-day event I live really close to the odd fellows compound it's not called the the Belleville winery in Liberty Missouri okay beautiful haunted place I spent a lot of time there but I went to a strange escape event with Amy Bruney and Adam Berry and a lot of really great

38:03paranormal folks were there um John Tenney and Greg and Dana Newkirk and a lot of really great folks chip coffee was there in particular and um I've seen him for a decade on all the shows you know on ghost adventures and different shows and and he did a Q&A and during that Q&A I found myself asking questions that I didn't know why I was asking them and they were questions along the lines of how do you when did you know you know you were sensitive and how did you know and then how did you train how did you train yourself and get and and is one of his answers really surprised me and he said he couldn't see ghosts or spirits until he was about 40 years old he said he'd been able to speak with them prior to that but he couldn't see them and it it changed throughout his lifetime and that concept never resonated with me prior to that conversation but after that conversation

39:06it was like opening a gateway or a doorway to my own mind and that entire three-day event with the many lectures that they had really opened my mind to many things um that previously were just closed doors and I feel like the more we explore and the paranormal and the more we learn about different things the more doors that open on our own minds and the more that we're actually capable of perceiving and noticing it's kind of like training any other muscle you know the more you use it the better the stronger gets and it's the same with same with sensitive and and empathic abilities and you know to epilepsy everything anything under the sun the more the more time and energy you spend giving it notice the more you can potentially grow from it I think that we all have gifts that we're provided with and discovering what those gifts are is one of our purposes in life

40:10and then figuring out how to use them appropriately is is another one. You said something earlier that I thought was a very interesting phrase and I'd like you to expound upon what you're mean by it you said when ghosts target you pay attention what do you mean by that? I mean if you are going to be a receiver of the other side of paranormal of any sort if I mean short of I've been very I've been very blessed thus far that even in the darkest of dark previous of previous places with the most horrific murders and everything else you could think of I've primarily walked into it with a very positive attitude with a very non-judgmental attitude and with a very thank you for letting me come to your homes and let's chat a bit if you're up for it kind of attitude and if you go into the paranormal with a more positive vibe and a more positive

41:15situation and you don't run in and go come out demon show yourself to me yeah you don't do stuff like that then you're going to be more well received it's I tell people I work with a Honda Rooms.com a lot on events and I tour people around some of the best places in the Midwest that are that are haunted and do tour groups with equipment and you know teach people how to use the equipment how it works and then try to interact with whomever may be there or whatever may be there and in my experience if you don't go into those situations with a positive attitude and as though you were dealing with a stranger that you've never met before and you're walking into somebody's house you're not going to just start yelling at them tell me how you died yeah you know because that's not going to get you if you were to do that in a bar and you're trying to meet a new friend you're probably going to get thrown out or look that funny or they're going to take off the same thing goes with the paranormal if you go into it at least in my experience I should say

42:19if you go into it with the thought process of hey show yourself because I want to put you on tv and to come to Amos it's not going to work yeah if you go into it with hey I'm here and thanks for letting me come to your home and I really like to just hear your story you're going to get a lot better results most of the time I mean you're always going to come across the occasional grumpy angry you know spirits that that doesn't really want you to be in their house or or want you around and sometimes just like people you can break those people down and you could you know kill them with kindness or say no pun intended there but um you can I always just try to think of it as if this person was physically standing in front of me and not on the other side that I could where I could because I can perceive I have a tendency to perceive things even if I can't see them

43:22and it happened especially in the Sally House and Atterson Kansas where I I looked over at a chair and said somebody sitting in that chair and then the other folks I was with a really gifted psychic medium Samantha Bellboard uh Bell Law um she looked over and said yeah you're right and then she picked out they picked up their fleer you know infrared heat detector and somebody was sitting in the chair it was perfect clear as day someone was just sitting there watching us you know get our equipment out into our stuff um to try to try to communicate yeah and um it was it was just quite the experience and those little validations you know they go a long way once you start feeling validated and not feeling like a long break I'm maybe I'm crazy as soon as you get that out of your vocabulary where you're saying I know I sound crazy or this sounds crazy just throw it away as soon as you remove

44:23that from your vocabulary you open your mind a million times full because it's like positive or negative affirmations and self-fulfilling prophecies if you sit around telling yourself oh I can't do this and I'm not I'm not like this and this isn't me and it probably won't be just just from what I've experienced this for it makes sense in part two what does Brian believe happened to him while he had his sleep paralysis experience in that hotel and other experiences in his life when Brian says when ghost target you pay attention what does that mean Brian's involved in the evolving world of spirit communication technology how is the communication improving and where does he see it going in the future and does spirit communication technology work the same regardless of whose hands it's all in until next time for the gravestops Tony bruski

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