Back from Vietnam

0:00Welcome back to Perfectix. I'm your host Steven Patton, joined as always by my co-host and dear friend Jake Blacquire. And the expression the browns are going to brown is I think going to become a Carolina expression sooner rather than later. As the panthers seem the panther yet again. We played down to our competition, went up to Cleveland, struggled early and often. Finally, took the lead in the fourth quarter to watch it vanish. As we saw several key players on both sides of the ball go out with injuries over the course of the game, losing to Dishon Watson and the Cleveland Browns with a final score of 21 to 18. A lot of the headlines surround this game are about the pressure Bryce Young has faced not only in this week, but the week's leading up to this game. Definitely discrepancy depending

1:02on the sources you use. But I think at this point it's safe to say that Bryce is playing behind a bottom 10 offensive line and that doesn't seem to be getting better anytime soon. Your thoughts Jacob on the recent panthers loss? I mean, what can you say? Whether it's bottom 10 or even the worst offensive line, like you said, depends on where you look. It's been bad all year and it just got worse because Damien Lewis is going to miss at least Sunday night football with a UCL injury. If you think that's familiar, it's usually associated with baseball. Your UCL is like when you have Tommy John surgery and you're throwing arm, that's your elbow right there and it's a pretty significant injury if it gets ruptured or torn. Luckily for now, I think it's just a strain for Damien Lewis, but we don't know when he'll be back. All we know is that he won't play this upcoming Sunday. And if you believed that, you know, maybe the panthers'

2:07o'line isn't the worst. It's the fifth worst or something like that. Well, now you can look at it and say it's the worst because they just lost their only good starter on that offensive line right now. I'm not sure how it gets any better without Taylor Moutin and Ikei Kwanu miraculously, excuse me, recovering prior to this week's game, but the line is horrible. I thought that the score of 2118 was not indicative of how in control Cleveland was in this game. And this was a game where Deshaun Watson, despite winning, despite throwing the game when he touched down, he had a couple of touchdowns. I don't think he played necessarily well. He was spraying throws, missing receivers left and right, especially in that second half. And still, like you said, the panthers played down to their competition. It's just very disappointing. I want to go over the very few positives before we continue to delve into the negatives in this game. Ryan Fitzgerald was four for four from Fuel

3:12Google. He didn't attempt an extra point. We can talk about that later. John Metchie had his first touchdown as a Panther. Bryson, Tremaine, I thought was good in a relief of Jalen Coker who went out in this game. And then we forced the fumble on the second half kickoff, which is pretty funny because there was a penalty in Carolina had to re-kick and it was on the re-kick that the panthers got the fumble there. That's about it from the positives for me. I thought this was a pretty rough game to watch, especially once you saw Bryson get injured. After that, I don't know. It just felt like there was no way that the panthers could claw back into this one. I'm going to take a moment and be critical of, I believe, Brad Idzick's approach on this season, heading into this year. A lot of the talk was you want to get under center more and how all these offenses were going to start shifting to playing a little bit more under center, leaning into play action. And I just want to read off a couple of numbers. Currently, the teams that all play under center or impistol

4:17over 50% of the time are all two and one. And I want to list off some of those teams. Buffalo Bills under center 56% of the time. Chicago Bears under center 53% of the time. Detroit Lions 55%. The Las Vegas Raiders who are 3 and 0 52%. And then the 49ers in Seattle Seahawks respectively, both 57 and 54%. These teams, a lot of them don't necessarily have these great offensive lines. And I did, I did forget one team I apologize. Actually, no, they weren't above 50%. But the Jacksonville Jaguars, they're at 47%. That was a team I thought for some reason was above that cutoff for threshold. Those teams are masking a lot of, I think, deficiencies on the offensive line because one, they're leaning into disguising what the defense has seen. They're able to keep a little bit of pressure off their quarterback. And the one distinct under center play, I remember is when Jalen Coker was healthy and

5:19we had emotion across and was a fake kind of play action. We got it quickly out to him. We picked a positive yards and you could see some creativity there and how it keeps the defense at bay because they're trying to protect their run lanes and some of this pre snap motion can cause a little bit of confusion and get a guy open. And that's just what we aren't seeing. And putting Bryce and shotgun as much as we are. So the Carolina Panthers, we're under center 34% of the time. So that means that we are in shotgun over 66% of the time, which is crazy. And you want to protect Bryce young. He's got to be under center a little bit more. And he can't just be this, this target in the pocket like Joe Burrow and some of these other quarterbacks where you have a leaky offensive line and you're not able to protect the quarterback. You're not able to lean into a, a strong running game. And obviously we talked about this last week. We don't think we have the, the offensive line to necessarily pave the way. But you got to help them out somehow. And it just seems like Brad Edzick is letting

6:20this get away from him. He's trying to let Bryce young go win it with his arm. And he's been phenomenal through three the weeks. But like you said, he got banged up. Jalen Coker's banged up. Now Damian Lewis is out for potentially the foreseeable future. You have to change something schematically to where you're keeping the defense honest and we're not doing that. It's tough too, because I've been critical of how the run game's been deployed through the first two weeks, right? How often drives when we do run the ball, the drive is run, run and then it's third and long. The John Fox playbook, so to speak. Well, in this game, I, that didn't happen a ton. So I was happy with that. But Chubo was stuffed behind the line. I couldn't tell you how many times at least five. And so the, the panthers almost abandoned the run. And then I remember one distinct drive. It was run on the first three down. So we got nine and a half yards. This was one of the fourth down attempts. And you're like, all right, sick. It's fourth and less than a yard. Let's send AJ Dylan in or even just keep Chubo

7:23in to get that half yard. But it was under center. It was a fake. And because it was a bunch formation, a bunch of formation, excuse me, off the left side of the offensive line, there's a free rusher embraces face and he couldn't get the ball to believe it was Tommy Trimble on that fourth down who was open. But he was half a second away from getting plastered. And so even when the run does work, it seems like we lean away from it a bit. That was something that we were critical about Dave Canales last year. In this game, Chubo Hubbard got every single carry up until I leave was the early fourth quarter when AJ Dylan came in for one series was pretty effective. He had about four yards per carry. And then after that series, it was Chubo Hubbard again, even on the two point conversion attempt where Chubo fumbled the two point conversion. We end up losing by a fuel goal. So could have been significant, but the Panthers at the end weren't able to move the ball in the two minute drill anyway. I don't know how you solved the run because clearly the

8:27offensive line doesn't have the horses up front to do it, especially now without Damien Lewis. Right. You're relying on Rashid Walker who that's not his strength. Monroe Freeling was not a great run blocker in college. And then Rob Hunt has been a disappointment. Luke Fortner, I think, has been the biggest disappointment on this offensive line. He was getting manhandled by Mason Graham all day and Graham had seven total pressures. He had two sacks. He sacked Bryce Young on the play where Bryce got hurt. But that's not what hurt Bryce. What hurt Bryce on that play was Rashid Walker getting driven back into him and cleaning like stepping on Bryce's left calf ankle area. So Bryce couldn't step into throws. The offensive line was failing. And this is something that we've just been talking about all year. Like I said, I don't know how to solve it unless you want to mix up some of the schematics, scuff, do motion, maybe to move some of the guys off of the line. But once the Browns are realized, oh, we're just going to win with four every single down. They just dominated

9:29the game because when coaker goes out, then they can just put Denzel word on team back and shut him down and just rush for have the other six defenders cover up the rest of the targets. And it was a pretty easy game plan on how to beat the Panthers. Still despite that, it was a close game because they made their own mistakes. But do you think the lions are going to make those types of mistakes on offense? Do you think after the by week that Philadelphia or I'll say Tampa Bay probably will make those mistakes, but then Denver, Baltimore, New Orleans, Cincinnati, Minnesota, do you think even Pittsburgh looked competent this past week? Do you think those types of teams are going to make the mistakes that Cleveland did? I don't think so. So the Panthers have to look internally and figure this out. Otherwise, playoff stuff is the least of those teams concerns. A lot of people are going to point to our top of the division because we've scored the most points. But NFC South right now, nobody has one more than one game. St. Sada epic meltdown in New Orleans.

10:30Thankfully, they had an epic meltdown. Yeah. No, it keeps everything tight, bunch, but that like it gives every fan base this hope that, hey, if we go on a run, we can win this division. And like that's that's how the NFC South has been for the past couple of years. But that's not what you want to be relying on. You want to be able to go out and you want to be able to dominate and dictate the kind of team and persona that you want to exude out on the football field. And going back to kind of what we were talking about, like offensively, it's like we're leaning way heavy into to passing. Like our neutral pass right over expected is second and the league right now behind only the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is coming from established the run. These are the kind of like metrics where you're looking at like, hey, you got to be more balanced because coakers right now out Bryce Young's a little bit banged up. You need to protect your assets so that like when they need to go make plays, they can make plays, which means you got to find a effective way to run the football. We talked about how the offensive line doesn't have capable blockers. Tommy Trumble and Mitchell Evans are great blockers. Get them moving in space like motion before

11:32the snap, do some trap counter run game type stuff, get creative with it to spring a run for Chupa. Then also lean in like you talked about it. Look good when AJ Dylan came in for a series. Mix him in, sprinkle him in the whole point of having Chuba Hubbard and Rico doubted last year or drafting Jonathan Brooks to pair with a guy like Chuba Hubbard is to kind of have this this punch a punch B like you have uppercut and you have a jab and like that's what we're missing with just keeping Chuba Hubbard in there. And again, like you said, soon as coaker goes out, we get very predictable. It's very easy to shut us down from a passing standpoint. And when you're passing at such a high rate, you're going to see these instances where the defense knows what's coming. There where they need to be. And that means that Bryce Young has to hold on to the ball and allow the play that have helped to find anything we're throwing to. And that's what leads to these high pressure numbers that we're seeing. So it's like you can mitigate a lot of this and give yourself better opportunities to move the ball by just becoming more balanced as a team. And Dave Canalis was a little stubborn at times. So just running the ball last year. I think Brad

12:35Idzick is a little bit more stubborn when it comes to passing the football. Find a balance, find a common ground. Otherwise, these games are going to start getting way way out of reach because my fears with the Detroit Lions is, hey, like I think the biggest concern when you look at the Cleveland Browns or even the Chicago Bears is that we are very undisciplined when it comes to collapsing the pocket. And that I think follows mainly on Prince Euma Mealin and some of these younger guys where they're allowing very mobile quarterbacks, rushing lanes where they can get out and extend plays and move the chains with their legs. I don't see that with Jared Golf, but it's going to be very hard to shut the back end down when you don't have JC Horn. When Mike Jackson, we don't know what his status is. And you have younger guys on the back end and a Caleb of Evans. I thought he filled in Aberdeley for for Mike Jackson last week. I'm not the biggest willie guy. And so you're looking at these guys potentially being your two starting quarterbacks with a guy like Jared Golf that is going to be throwing the Jamison Williams in a monrol Saint Brown. That scares me. Yeah. In particular, you talk about how the Panthers have failed to contain

13:41quarterbacks, right? In the first two weeks, you could say, oh, you know, Prince Lee is not a firm edge set or maybe that's the issue. They had Pat Jones in this one. Pat Jones and Jalen Phillips and they still couldn't do it with four defenders. Yes, Devon Lloyd was out. But if you can't contain somebody and Deshan Watson's not a statue, but he's not as fleet of footage. He was eight years ago in Houston, right? If you can't contain that guy, you're going to struggle against Lamar Jackson later in the year and all these guys. Jared Golf, he's not going to beat you with his legs, but where golf is going to shine is his time to throw. He's one of the fastest guys at getting the ball out quickly. He can dissect pretty well as a pocket presence pocket passer type of a quarterback. So if you can't get quick pressure, which Carolina can't really do and you can't contain, it's going to be a problem throughout the rest of the year. You mentioned Caleb Evans. I thought he did play well for the majority of the game. There was one play and this isn't Evans fault where it was a fourth and three. This was the first play of the second quarter. In fact,

14:45fourth and three, can you guess how far off a Caleb Evans lined up off the line? I read your article over at CLT Sports. He was eight yards off the line. He's currently from fourth and three. And the guy that he ends up covering comes in motion. He's already out of full head esteem. And he converts the down. And it's like you said, it's ridiculous. You and I both have degrees that were based in math when we were in college, right? Shout out Charlotte 49ers. They need some football help as well. But if he's lined up eight yards off and they only need three, what's the difference there? That's five yards. You got to make up that difference in a split second. In a split second. And one thing you always hear about in the NBA when it comes to passing the ball is you can be the fastest person on earth, but that ball is going to be faster. It's going to be even faster in the NFL because the way the ball is shaped when you throw it oscillates and goes real fast with that spiral. It does, you could play five yards off and have you St. Bode out there. He's not going to get there in time because you're so far off. And that's something we've talked

15:48about through the first two weeks, even against Atlanta when Cooper Rush was in there doing that on second and third down. I still just don't understand how we're doing this four years into Ijera Verra's tenure when it comes to playing such soft coverage there. There's another fourth down they converted. It was the touchdown. They both of the touchdowns were longer developing plays, which keeps the emphasis like we couldn't contain Watson nor generate pressure on him with the the regular rush. So if you can't contain or get pressure, they're going to quarterbacks can have all the data dice you apart. And that's what happened on the first one. It was just a long developing drag route to the the back right corner to Harold Fanon and the second one Watson. It was another long developing play, but he escaped and found I think it was Boston right for that second touchdown. No, I think it was. No, it was Harold Fan again. Yeah, yeah, Boston was the the play before. The would have the would be yeah, that would have been the would be interception. Have they not

16:51again, it was very similar to the direct ground a week one. It's just like you got to when a quarterbacks there like you need a you need to disrupt, but you can't you can't hit them like that. It was an unfortunate penalty, right? They also missed a really big one like two drives ago Watson was sacked on a third down with a face mask that went uncalled. It was a pretty big missed call. So on the whole I think it balanced out both, both teams were penalized heavy in this game as well. So I'm not going to blame the reps for this one either just like in Chicago. But you got to be more disciplined. Hopefully Devon Lloyd's back this week. I think you missed his presence, but I thought Tyrell Dodson did a fine job filling in. I didn't think our linebackers were an issue. So to speak, they flew down in the run game. It I don't know like once the the Browns figured out hey, we can just beat these guys with our base stuff. You can't win because with the injuries and just everything else, the lack of creativity coaching the offensive line being just a sieve

17:52in all facets. Teams are going to tear you apart. And like I said, the Browns you have to credit them for being ready and being more prepared, I guess, than we were. But this is probably the least talented team the Panthers are going to face from here on out. Could we agree maybe Tampa, because Tampa's looking kind of rough right and Cleveland also be Tampa. So maybe they're the least talented, especially if Bakers not playing, but outside of that, it's only going to get tougher. I think it depends on just what team you're looking at. I think obviously the NFC South as a whole has. Oh, yeah, we do play the Falcons again. I was like, yeah, we play the Falcons. The Saints, they're starting to get banged up a little bit. And depending on how banged up they are when we play, like that could be a talent issue. But I mean, we're in that same category where it's like, yeah, we're getting Devon Lloyd back from an injury. We don't know where Mike Jackson is. We got a couple starters on both sides of the ball that are out for the foreseeable future. We haven't gotten Ikea Kwanu or Taylor Moten or some of these guys back. And that's that's worrisome because

18:52when you look at the matchup this week against the Detroit Lions, they have Jameer Gibbs who has been running all over people. And this is an offense that likes getting under center like what we talked about, like the teams that have been under center over 50% of the time leading up to this point, all of them are two or one and better. And it's just they have this commitment to disguising what they want the defense to see. And we got gashed week one for 291 yards on the ground. I'm not saying that's exactly what's going to happen against the Detroit Lions. But they have the ability to beat you there. And then we talked about the pass catchers earlier. And top of a man, Ron and James and Williams, you also have Sam Laporta. They've been getting Isaac Tesla, their third round pick last year, a little bit more involved. And so you just wonder, it's like we have a banged up secondary. We can't push the quarterback. We've struggled against stopping the run. It's like, what's going to happen on Sunday night football? And it's like, are we able to stop them? And then you look on the defensive side of the ball and why you have hope like, hey, you just watch Geno Smith torch there secondary like you hope team act as a great game. You hope you can

19:54get like your tight ends involved, especially if cokers kind of limited and banged up still. And maybe you're able to keep up offensively. But this is a defensive line that with Alim McNeil, Aiden Hutchinson, these are guys that can get after the quarterback from a pass rush standpoint. And we have to limit how much they're able to hit Bryce Yum because like we've talked about, our offensive line is struggle the past protect. And so if we get in a situation where we're down multiple scores and Bryce Young's half in the drop back, like that is going to allow these defenders to tee off against this poor offensive line and get after Bryce. And that's a little bit worrisome that like, hey, we aren't off to a hot start this year. This was a must win game going in Cleveland. And it is a very strong likelihood we could be heading into the by week at one in three. And that's not where you want to be. You have the Philadelphia Eagles right after the by and they did not look good last night on Monday night football. But these are the things that you have to clean up. And if you don't, this could snowball very horrendously. I just don't know what the sign. Dylan Theanman, by the way, who the Panther seem to be high on in the draft phenomenal night

21:01last night. First Chicago there had the the very how do I put this well placed interception there when Andy Dalton had to come into the game. Shadow Andy Dalton who I guess look, look, I have no hate for Andy Dalton, but he just did not play well here outside of that Raiders game. So I'm glad he's still a unk, still got it in Philadelphia. But you bring up good points where if we struggle to stop Jared versus good player in his own right. I wonder how much the tackle duo of Walker and Freelanger are going to struggle against Aiden Hutchinson because he's a different beast compared to Jared verse. You talked about some of the interior guys, Alim McNeil, the Ohio State guy that drafted a couple years ago, Tyler Williams. I am very concerned about this game. And this is this is a bright young that isn't or I don't know if he'll be 100% but at least when he left the Cleveland game was not 100%. We saw that it affected him particularly in the

22:05third quarter or second and third quarter where there were just throws out there that he couldn't make. I think he couldn't step into it was the issue. Dave Canales said as much in his post game pressure that right young had some throws out there that he normally makes he just wasn't able to write around that half time time up period. So I don't know. One thing you're going to probably never hear me say again is we really need Xavier really get to play in this one. I thought that his ability like even if he's just a clear out guy the Panthers don't have anyone with that speed once he gets going. And I think you noticed that in the Cleveland game because there were no real over the top shots except for one to David Moore where Bryce Young say what you want about Bryce Young's arm. He threw it like into the stands. There's probably a 65 yard throw. It obviously wasn't even close to David Moore but he launched it on that one. Without anybody to test downfield if cocker is in 100% if Xavier Lee get can't do it the offense is going to be even more

23:08not one dimensional but more locked in to where Detroit despite their own injury problem can be like oh this is worth their going to do. Let's hone in on this or oh the offensive line can't hold up for a deep shot. We should be able to get a sack here or a pressure here because that's what's happened through three weeks. My greater concern though is on the defense the Panthers defensive side of the ball like we talked about you can actually kind of compare it to the Atlanta Falcon's skill position players between B-John, Drake, London, Kyle Pitts they have their own really good players but the Detroit Lions have a quarterback who knows how to make you pay and while Cooper Rush and the undrafted Jack Strand gave the ball up five times I find it incredibly hard to believe that Jared Goff would turn the ball over five times even if Devon Lloyd and all of our guys were playing. JC Warren's obviously not going to play in this one but I don't know I think it's going to be a struggle for Carolina to stop Detroit in this game. I think we'll be able to score some points

24:10even though it was only 18 points I felt like they left a lot of meat on the bone and Cleveland and I think at home under the lights the offense will perform better. I just worry about how many points Detroit is going to score because even when our offense scored 37 to start the year with everybody healthy they gave up 59. The Lions are a team that can run it up like we've seen this before their team that's capable of that I think the last time they came the Charlottes when I think what Steve Wilkes was the head coach or have they been been here the Carolina since then? I don't think they've been here. Yeah I think we went on with air. Bryce is rookie here and now it's 40 to 18 gamers I don't remember what the score was but they scored quite a bit Dan Campbell may have an affinity for scoring a lot on us after Steve Wilkes did run for it was the Panther record the amount of rushing yards that the team had in that game. So yeah we're just going to have to keep scoring with them. If everyone were healthy I think we could do

25:13it because the Detroit defense is in its own right very injured especially their secondary but I don't know I think it's going to be tough. I think I'm ready to give my perfect take in this one and I think the well before I do that let me look at what the overrunder actually is because my take involves an alternate overrunder my take is going to be that there will be over 60 points combined in this one. I would imagine that the overrunder isn't that close but it's probably sad I mean most Lions get set like in the 50 or 50s I don't think it is a 50 and a half. Yeah so I think that these two teams are going to clear that by more than 10 points I think it's going to be over 60 points I think while it might be a shootout I think Detroit is ultimately going to be victorious in this one because I think they just have more firepower especially if guys like Coker can't go it's going to be a lot of all right Darren Waller and Team Ag save us.

26:15Yeah Darren Waller seems to be one of the lone bright spots in past countries that we have all in the team aside from obviously Team Ag and Jayden. I thought he played pretty well in this one. Yeah no I agree with the lone bright spots. I've been upset where I was on bread is like about play calling I think Dave can Alice's management of the game. Early on Team Ag I think if he had extended a little bit got a yard or two more he actually was I'd do that was so bad. He's not fast he needs to understand situational awareness where the defender is do like a little spin move get up field a little bit because I and it was something we were talking about like while the game was going on is that if you're at a fourth and two and manageable you can go for this and sure enough we go for fourth I think it was two fourth and two attempts I think we missed them both in the first half and then you come out of half time you get the special teams turnover you have a short field you're faced with a fourth and two you get scared and you kick a field goal and it's it's some of these repercussions where it's like I understand like

27:18you want to take the points you don't want to give your opponent a short field but like you can't you can't throw aside this analytical approach that you're taking because it's not been working like that's that's just not how this this plays out you just need to make sure you have a better game plan better play calls and so it's one of these situations where it's like if you return one of those drives into a touchdown rather than a field goal you lost the game by three points and so playing along the margins sticking to who you are as a team where we talked about like hey what is your identity and like we need to be a more balanced approach when we we talk about like a team identity do we need to go full keep pounding no but in order to keep the ball away from this high power to Troy lines offense the protect Bryce Young we're going to have to do that and I'm a little skeptical of that so where you talk about the over I could see this being a 40 this 20 blowout in Charlotte on Sunday night football reminding the nation why we don't put the Carolina Panthers on prime time and that's sad to say but in regards to what I think will play out as my perfect take

28:19last week I thought to Sean Watson did I see three turnovers he would have you did he had absolutely zero so that that was a joke I think if we had contained them better in the pocket and forced him to make throws or take more sacks that he would have been prone to a couple of interceptions I know will Lee kind of dropped one as he was jumping around early on another dropped one too I think it was ransom yeah so there yeah ransom have the one so it's like there were there were opportunities for turnovers we didn't capitalize on those when it comes to this Detroit lines offense I don't see them missing a B and so I think when we look at kind of what our defense will allow this will be a twofold take I think we allow over 200 rushing yards against the Detroit lines and I think we failed to hit 20 rush well 25 rush attempts I'll say that's usually the cutoff on the offensive side of the ball and it's one of those things that yes your rush attempts are usually dictated if you have a lead if you're able to actually uh correctly not correctly but efficiently run the ball and I just I don't think we have that element to our game I think the

29:20Lions do and I think they beat us pretty badly in Carolina so the take again just for our listeners to over 200 rushing yards for the Detroit lines offense and I don't think the Panthers have more than 25 rush attempts on the night and it's just it's it's a sad sad state of affairs here in Carolina as we are banged up it feels like we're coming back from Vietnam and I get Cleveland is probably up there in poor cities to play in but just the the fallout from that and what our team currently looks like and how it's constructed is just it doesn't look good for for a prime time showing had the two interceptions not been dropped and that rough in the past or penalty not occur your take would have been dead on they would have been three interceptions in that one but sadly that wasn't the case my take was the team act with scores first touchdown nobody scored a touchdown other than John Mechie in this one and it stinks right because not Detroit Cleveland only had four

30:20scoring drives well the Panthers had five and yet still because you can't convert your field goals into touchdowns you couldn't convert a two point conversion to make it a more manageable game you end up losing and that's not the only reason why we talked about the defense and stuff but in the offensive line but it boils down to even with the injuries you got to go out there and execute and it just feels like through even in the Falcons game where you dominate there are still some stuff left on the bone and it just feels like through three games you haven't played a complete game yet hopefully Sunday night will be a complete game for the team but I don't think either of us are holding our breath there so I don't know if we will record on Sunday night probably because the game's going to finish 11 o'clock I'll probably be ready for bed after Carolina gets waxed so we may we may have a Monday Monday night shows at this point currently my work schedules kind of changed around so definitely freed up a little bit to where I moving past the Sunday night

31:25game I still think the initial reactions there there was a lot I wanted to get into I think right after the game but some of it also hurts your ability to talk about JC Horn and Damian Lewis and then being out extended which is what we found out today so just finding the balance of when the record towards still hot everything's still fresh and then still being able to give kind of audience accurate information and not just speculation sure so we'll we'll gear to go on Mondays from here on out but until next Monday hopefully the Panthers win and you can find us on Apple podcast Spotify Twitter wherever you get your content and until next week keep pounding