Big Game Case, NFL Week 3 Recap

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2:02And then I had a break the kid off. It had to be done. But that's your man's fault. It's not my fault. You put me in an impossible position. It's not a kids program. We don't like to have kids call kids. Probably shouldn't listen because there are certain things that you clones do. Not me. I'm fully responsible. But there are certain things that some of you do. They know 13 year old should air be subjected to yet this dad is passing the phone to his kid. Now, I want you to pass the show to your kids ultimately, but maybe not a 13. Either way, do not pass the phone to a 13 year old, but use it yourself. If you don't want to do that, find me on X at Jim Rome. If you don't want to do that, find me on email, RomanHabitat.com. If you do not want to do that, just jump in the chat. Yo chat. Chat has become kind of a singular thing. Like it or not, chat. No matter how many of you are in the chat at any given time, you're all one. We've grouped you all together like yo chat.

3:05People call up and take a run at chat like it's one entity because it is. So whereas there may be several hundred of you or thousands of you in at any given time, you're all one, according to everybody else. It's you against the world, chat. All right. All that said, I've got a couple of legends coming up on the program today, coming up at 1240, Jonathan Vilma, former pro ball linebacker, also a member of arguably the greatest college football team of all time, Jonathan Vilma, 1240, 120 Hall of Famer, Steve at water. So two really good ones. And big day tomorrow, all right, starting with and I'm looking for your engagement, but starting with what we saw last night. Did that actually happen last night? What we saw last night? Did that actually happen? Was that actually a 38 year old third stringer who had not started an NFL game in over one thousand days, did lit soldier of field on fire along with the Eagles defense and completely

4:11outplayed the Super Bowl MVP from two years ago? Did that actually happen or was I just tripping? Now granted, it has been a minute since Jaylen Hertz looked anything like the Super Bowl MVP that he was two years ago. If anyone looked like a former Super Bowl MVP last night, it was case freaking Kenam, if you need him and the parents didn't need him and did this dude ever come through. Not only did Kenam badly outplayed Jaylen Hertz, dude nearly played a perfect game. My man's out here looking like Joe Montana and Pinkie Manning and Tom Baconface all rolled into one. What a freaking pro and what an all time prime time performance and what a humiliation for E L G L E S E goals. I don't describe the Eagles last night.

5:18How do I describe them? Let me think in a word, ass in all phases for all four quarters last night, just straight ass. I've got no idea if anybody was doing any thinking. All I know is that the talent did not take over the a** did. And the real problem for Eagle fan is it's nothing new. How many times have you watched that same game, Eagle fan? How many times have we all been subjected to the same garbage? It's a miracle that this team is somehow two or one and that's the only silver lining here, the standings, even if they look nothing like and are playing nothing like a two and one football team. Yes, you are what your record says you are unless you're the Eagles because I don't care what their record is. You can't tell me that's a two and one football team.

6:19And the problem is it's the same problems. And I know Philly is all over Sean Manion, even though last night was only his third game calling plays. But for me, this isn't about that. This is way more about Jay on hurts. The hell has happened to this guy. For me, this is not about the play caller. This is not about learning a new system. This is not about AJ Brown not being there. This is about a QB who does not look anywhere near like the guy he did a couple of years ago. The guy who doesn't even look good anymore. He's a flat line who doesn't make enough plays, who does not elevate anybody around him, who doesn't really do anything except only well and doesn't bring any fire to it at all. Unfortunately for Nick Serriani, you could say a lot of the same things about him too except for that fire part because Serriani is still really loud. He's still loud. He's still getting caught on the broadcast calling someone a kitty cat from across the field.

7:28You see Serriani still makes plenty of noise just a very little difference. He says a lot and he's animated on the sideline. It just doesn't seem to matter anymore. And when everything is going so wrong like it was last night, it gets really hard to tell exactly what it is that Serriani does around there, which is why it's also not that comforting. Two Eagles fan when he goes to the mic after the game and essentially says we sucked. We were us across the board. We know it. I think we all have to own that loss right there. I don't think anybody coached well. I don't think anyone played well. It was a true team loss. And when it's a true team loss, you know, I have to look at myself first. Like we weren't ready to coach. We weren't ready to play. And that ultimately starts and ends with me. Yo coach, thanks for the education on what a true team loss is.

8:30My dude, feel free to actually do something to help somebody or change anything so you can avoid these true team losses. I don't know. Maybe try a different approach where you stop having these games, where everybody sucks and nobody's ready to play. And the coaches don't do their jobs. I mean, is that an option? Well, and by the way, on the topic of true team losses, where nobody is ready to play, what happened to that guy that we thought was a true pro? What happened to the red rifle? Hey, thanks for coming red rifle. Yo red rifle. Thanks for bringing out that BB gun last night, bro. Because all the Eagles needed, all the Eagles needed, the BB gun to do last night was just not turn it over. Well, Hertz was evaluated for a concussion. But the BB gun was determined to show off that BB gun that he's got under his sleeve.

9:34So of course this happened. Remnant notion. Deadly is picked off by the enemy. Cam Ward can't believe how stupid that was. Drake May can't believe how stupid that was. Those are my meatballs up. Tom Brady can't believe how stupid that was. Just in Herbert cannot believe that meatball sub. BB gun. I mean, the guy couldn't even go into the tent long enough to get evaluated without you turning it over at the five yard line or within. I think Eagle fan knew right then and there that it was never going to get any better last night. I think Eagle fan knew right then and there that another true team loss was coming. Even if there was still an entire second half for Philadelphia to get their act together, it never actually felt like they had any chance of that happening. And sure enough, Chicago goes out and shuts them down, shuts them out 17 zero in the second half.

10:39So good job. Good effort, Philly. But a ton of credit. A ton of credit should go to big brain Ben Johnson for staying aggressive and dialing up an amazing game. And keeping his foot on the gas, then sticking his foot, no, his boot on their throats, and they're just stomping them out. Let's just say the juxtaposition or the contrast between the head coach's last night was extreme. Let's just say that rock paper, scissors, Zaryani trying to match wits in coach against big brain Ben with a massive mismatch. If football is a game of mismatches or matchups, matchups, that was the biggest mismatch ever. But also nobody's been always surprised by that. Now, maybe you could say that Vic Fangeo's defense getting carved and lit up by case,

11:39Keesam, case Keenam, I should say, perform. And that laser show was surprising. But nobody is shocked at the head coaching mismatch last night. The shocking thing was the 38 year old who would not started in over 1000 days. Badly outplaying a very recent Super Bowl MVP. But, in his case, Keenam reminded the entire locker room after the game. This ain't his first bleeping rodeo. Coming to you in 3, 2 and 1.

12:42Hey, get to do it with this family right here. We got something special here, man. Hey, next man up mentality. I'm telling you guys, this is a special group. Led by a special man. I was a special group of men over there. And I told this to the guys beforehand, man. I may not be a cowboy. But this ain't my best. I'm not a b****** rodeo. All right, a couple of things. Number one, that is truly a God-fearing man. That he went f-bomb right there. It was awesome. Awesome. I might not be a cowboy. But this ain't my first f-ing rodeo. Just fired up. I loved it. Number two, I know you, I know you clones. I know what you do before you do it. I know what you think before you think it. I'd even extend this to the internet. Don't make this about something that it's not.

13:45Thanks for leaving that up, Lauren. That's important. If you're watching on this dream, do not make this about something it's not. This is about, I'll tell you what it's about. And then I'll tell you what it's not about. It's about case kingdom. It is not about Caleb Williams wearing the bearer's robe in the background. Who the hell cares? I don't care. It's like new Caleb scandal. He's rocking a robe and he didn't play. It's like it doesn't matter what this guy says. Breaking news, breaking news. Cut into your local programming. Caleb is wearing a robe and did not play and will not play next week or the week after. I mean, it doesn't matter what this guy does or says or thinks or wears. The internet's got any internet. Who cares, man? Back to what really matters. Case kingdom, man. Good for that, dude. Good for that team. Now, how do you not pull for that, dude? He's all about ball.

14:47He's all about the opportunity and the moment. And he made the absolute most of it. He did everything right. Everything right. Did you see how quickly that ball came out last night? Did you see how decisive that guy was? Man, what a genius in that system, which is why I've got to imagine that you get that guy another start. You let that guy keep starting. No way you send that, dude, who just went full of Joe Montana on the Eagles back to the bench for Tyson Beijing. No matter how much you like him, although that discussion has already started. Why I've got no idea. Why would you not send Keenem back out there after what he just did to a Vic Fanzio defense? Now, the funny thing about the Ben Johnson, Case Keenem chemistry and the connection last night was the case already warned us. He'd already told us if you were listening to him in the lead up to the game, Case was already straight up effusive in his praise, a big brain Ben.

15:48Golly, man. I mean, he's going to go down as probably the best play caller, play designer, coach, all of the above when it's all said and done. I mean, some of the stuff that that man does is unbelievable. And the way he sees the game, the way he's able to prepare guys, the way he's able to lead. Man, I'm the biggest Ben Johnson fan. I'm here right now because of him. Golly, man. That's what I mean about that F bomb. Golly, man. I'll say what though that that is effusive praise. Case Keenem has seen every kind of defense, every kind of offense, every kind of scheme, every kind of system. And he's saying, I'm telling you I've never seen anything like this guy. It's quite a statement. But after you saw these two operate last night, it makes sense why Keenem thinks that that dude is a genius and and is so loyal to him because he brought him in.

16:49And then I give this guy so much credit. I mean, obviously he's going to prepare every single week as a third stringer as if he's going to play when he's never going to play. And then he is going to play on a Monday night against a Vic Fange of defense and just shred and carve. It was awesome. And judging by Ben Johnson's career so far, there's a lot more evidence that last night, this cat not only has a beautiful offensive football mind. There is so much more to him than that and ability to lead and motivate to match. Which is not something that I would say about anybody right now associated with the Eagles. I just don't know what makes the Eagles special. Not right now. Not anymore. Especially if the defense is going to no show games like that and get their asses kicked by old men who have not played in years. It's like they said, we're going to take away the run and we're going to make that old man

17:50beat us because there's no way in hell that happens. And then that's exactly what happened. I know you're two and one Philly, but if last night is really where you're at, you're in for the same crappy conclusion to this season that you're now used to. Because Phil Duffy can tell themselves they are with their records says they are, but they're not. They're lucky. They're not. Oh and three. They beat the commanders by two, but had to stop two point conversion late for that to happen. They barely beat the Oh and three Titans. And don't look now, but the Rams are coming to town on a short week. So talent better start taking over pretty soon. Or this is going to get much worse for the E-L-G-L-E-S-E-G. E-L-E-S-E-S-E-G. And then if any gray goose bottles are going to get Tomahawk, they will be in the direction of their own coaches and players. Players will be getting their cars jacked at home from the players parking lot.

18:55I don't know that you have any cheesy tricks left, Nick, but you better coach them the hell out because if this continues to trend the way it is, you will be in how he rosman's office before you know it and ensure a sell will not be for a new contract. True team loss. Yeah, we know, dude. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's a Yard getting down. That's cool, Jack. He had a reason to be upset. Wow. Wow. Is that all how y'all get down and filly? You jack our cars. When we're winning playoff games, wow. Wow. Wow. Even Oprah can't believe that. Wow. Wow. Wow. 1-800-636-866-6, filly fan. I would ask you how you feel this morning, but I already know. I already know, but if you want to vent here on a different platform, on a different show, I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

19:55And for the Bears, man, Ben Johnson is dude. I'm not saying he's a revelation, but this is what you get when you combine a genius play collar with intensity that's off the charts and an ability to lead and motivate. One incredible asset. I'm not being a cowboy. Perfect guy for that town. And that quarterback room. You know, and then one more thing before I go to break, there is a question. We were actually banning this about off-air, but what do you get? What do you get when you have a guy that stands in, gets it out quickly, isn't doing crazy things that only Caleb Williams can do off-platform? You know, what would that say? What would that say about Caleb? And my point to that is Caleb's not changing. I mean, he's improving. And he's more disciplined than when Ben Johnson first got there, but you don't want to really change that guy because that guy can do things that nobody else can do. So it seems to me you get the best of both worlds, right? You're going to have Caleb and he's going to meet Ben Johnson.

20:58Actually, two of them are going to meet each other where they are. And then you're going to get Caleb. But then if you need somebody like Case Keenum, who's 38, who can't do those crazy things, but can run that offense perfectly, you're going to get a game like that against what's supposed to be a good defense. So there you have it, Ben Johnson. Right when I thought that guy stock could not go any higher, it spikes again. And Philly, I'm going to ask you one more time. What is special about you? I'm not seeing anything right now. All right, some other things we got to change up. In fact, I'm going to change up a two different ways. We've talked so much football yesterday was NBA media day. So whether we're ready or not, we're going to talk some association. I'm going to be just going to recap NBA media day. Wait, there's more. Something else you might not be ready to talk about. Major league baseball, the post seasons about to begin. And then once it's over, we're going to have another month of this.

22:01But once it's over, who knows when we'll out baseball again. So let's talk some baseball. We'll do that as well. You can find me in the chat. You can find me on X. You can find me on the email. Your reaction when we come back. Jonathan Vilma at 1240. Steve Atwater at 120. Good to be here. Good to have you here. So a few years ago, a lost in our family. Was the ultimate reminder that life is unpredictable. This is why having life insurance became a priority for my family. Protecting your loved ones with life insurance is easier than you think. With ethos, you get life insurance in as little as 10 minutes. 100% online. No medical exam. You just answer a few health questions online. And with ethos, you can get up to 3 million in coverage. Some policies are as low as $30 a month. So get your free quote at ethos.com slash gym. That's ETHOS.com slash gym. Application times and rates may vary again.

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24:04Switch to Shopify today at shopify.com slash listen and get a $1 trial. Shopify.com slash listen. You close. Don't take this the wrong way. But for the most part, you are if anything predictable, but not creative. I'm not even kidding. If I sat down and I just made up a bunch of handles, I could come up with these. I could have already come up with what you were going to send me before you sent it to me. I could write it. I already know what's coming before it comes. As I said, predictable but not creative. Or give me an example. I can backup anything I say. Or give me an example in a minute. So I want to talk to you about a business that we use. And when I say we, I mean Janet and I, Gusto, every small business owner dreams of scoring a TD for me, for us, that touchdown was finding Gusto, the online payroll and benefit software built for small businesses. Gusto is all in one remote friendly. It has every play covered. You can pay higher on board and support your team from anywhere with unlimited payroll runs

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26:15Santosa a 3 1 live from Los Angeles. This is the Jim. From the show. You'll act like you've never seen a bathrobe. Is that the first bathrobe you've ever seen? Never seen one of those before. They're for like when you get out of the shower. Oh, you have a problem with a guy who didn't play in the game taking a shower. There's that too. Sean in Aliso Viejo. It's not a robe. It's a smoking jacket. Sign Caleb. Like I said, it's like the internet and not just you and shot, but the entire internet has decided he's the one him. He's him. No matter what he does, does no matter what he says, no matter what he thinks. No matter what he eats and no matter what he wears, we have something to say about that guy. Blue K1 D1 H Caleb's mommy made him that robe.

27:20No, she didn't. I could tell it's a team issued robe. Mikey Soriano Jim. Are you robe guy? All right, fair enough. See that, that to me is an appropriate question. Am I robe guy only in hotels? No, I do have robes at home. I won't break out a robe more than once a year at home. Okay, Rome, when? When is that one time a year? I don't know. I don't know. Just to change up. Just to make channel life. I don't know. I'll break it out once a year because you'll be like, what are you keeping from? Next time, I'm going to break it out with a cigar so it is a smoking robe. So to answer the question, not really, not really. Once a year at home and almost inevitably whenever I'm in a hotel, also when I'm in a hotel, if I'm going to break out the robe, I'm going to also break out those really lame, stupid slippers.

28:21You know, like if you ripped the robe, they'll charge you for it. They best not be charging for those flat little stupid slippers. They do nothing. The robe I can see has value. And why would I take a robe? So you can charge me for a robe, a robe that 800 people have already worn. Why would I do that? Jay and Tampa life is unpredictable. You're mining your own business, watching a post game speech by a quarterback. You look and see somebody in a robe and boom right in our face. It's not funny. That's a reach that didn't work. Liz in fall city. Right. Leave Caleb alone. You're lucky. He even plug his eyebrows for you. Plug. Liz, you're getting worse, not better. No offense. More lady clone. He lives. If you ever plugged your eyebrows, I love that Tom didn't know who Liz was. I'd explain who Liz was.

29:21Liz had this one classic take. Didn't know if I was Liz. That she's been living off of for years. Tom didn't know her. Tom's like, I don't know, dude. I think she's getting funnier. The worst she gets the funnier it is. Yes, especially when she's talking about a dude plugging his eyebrows. I'm telling you, chat, if you're going to keep coming in here with stuff like that, my reaction is getting it harsher and harsher because your takes are getting worse and worse. All right. I won't come back. Let me stay on the clock. Jonathan Vilma. Next, stay tuned. You're listening to that Jim Roam show. Everyone talks about how challenging it is to raise kids. But what about protecting them? Outlet covers, kitchen cabinet locks, baby gates, where do you even start? Well, protecting your home and auto is a great place to start. Progressive offers customized cover ads so you can be sure you have the right coverage. There are basically the baby gates of insurance.

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31:25He is an NFL and Fox game analyst. Of course, I'm talking about Jonathan Vilma, Jonathan. Always good to see you, dude. How you doing? I'm doing good. Jim, how you doing? Good, man. Good. Appreciate you. Great to see you. Let me ask you about last night, 38-year-old Case Kingdom, led the Bears to that 27-7 beat down over Philadelphia. Obviously, the Eagles came in. Jonathan, looking to get him or make him beat them. And that's exactly what that dude did. How impressed were you with what you saw from him? And then what were your other biggest takeaways last night? I was very impressed with him, but not surprised. He's been in the league for so long, 38-years-old. And when you look at some of these backup quarterbacks that take the game, week and week out as if they're going to play. And you can tell that that's what Case Kingdom does. So mentally, he's always been in it. And you can tell he's just locked in. And then now it's just a matter of him taking the physical, going out there and executing the game plan. So very impressed with the mental sharpness that he had.

32:27Very impressed, obviously, with the physical ability, but not surprised at all. Tantra, the second part, some of the other takeaways, I would say, is the takeaways. The Bears' defense, led by Dennis Salon. He was my coach back at the Saints. He always preached, taking the ball away. That is the single biggest factor in determining if you're going to win or lose a game. Always emphasize it in practice, individual periods, in team periods. And so it's carried over. Last year, the Bears led the NFL and take away. They make it to the playoffs. It looks like they picked up right where they left off. And you can see the guys defensively actively going for the football. That's good coaching. That's good play. That's good execution. So right now, it's a good team overall. Jonathan Velmo, joining us. You know what you're right. It did carry over. It carried over, but like I want to say, is it sustainable? But it carried over. They're still doing it, man. They're still getting the rock, but is it sustainable? It's sustainable so long as all fences keep going out there,

33:29not recognizing that they're going against one of the best defenses in taking the football away. Right? They are very, very active from the defensive line to the linebackers to the secondary. They are targeting the football. First man in, I already know what Dennis Allen tells him. First guy, secure the tackle. Next guy, you are going for the football. You are actively attacking the football. That's what they're being taught. That's how it looks on film. That's how they're being coached. So until the offense is recognized that they need two hands on the ball at all times. Once they have contact, the ball is going to keep coming out. The Bears are going to keep taking it away. Jonathan Velmo, joining us. Super Bowl champ also a national champion of Miami. Jonathan, when you look at, Joe and Hurts, what do you see? I get it. A.J. Brown is not there. Sean Mann has been there for three games, but does he look to you like the same quarterback that he was a couple of years ago when he won the MVP in the Super Bowl? He does. What's missing right now, you mentioned A.J. Brown, you mentioned a couple of other guys. What's really missing those, the offensive line. When you think about the offensive line during the Super Bowl runs,

34:31they were able to rip off four and a half, five yards of pop. And it was almost effortless the way that they were able to do it. Say Juan Barclay was player of the year, had a great offensive line. He was also a force in the passing game. So I'd say the difference is that the opportunities to get down, feel with these big plays, they were all predicated on the run game and the offensive line and what they could do early on. And that led them to a Super Bowl. They don't have that right now. They're getting there. Offense line is good. Don't get me wrong, but they're not at the level where everyone was so afraid of stopping the run defensively that you would leave, you were forced to leave an AJ Brown open on the outside, the Vontay Smith on the outside right now. You can't do that. You're allowed the opportunity to say, all right, we can kind of cheat here and go seven and a half in the box, put the safety at eight yards instead of bringing him all the way down the box, be able to shut down Say Juan and then getting those passing lanes. So what I'm seeing is a quarterback, he's still conservative.

35:32He's always been conservative. He's not going to take chances down the field. They're not there and unfortunately those opportunities, they're not as many as there were before. Jonathan Vilma joining us. And Jonathan, does everything go to hell when AJ Brown goes down? Look into WINGLIN, look at Drake May. So he loses AJ Brown and then all of a sudden Drake May is not Drake May. But then again, you could go back to the postseason where he struggled last year. You tell me when you look at the film or you watch him play, what do you see with Drake May? Why is he having so much trouble? Oh, good question. I will start with when you see a lot, you see nothing. That's where I think the issues are coming for Drake May. We used to talk about quarterbacks. They see everything. They think they see everything. And then all of a sudden, you're really seeing nothing. Because your chasing goes, you're trying to anticipate, is this safety going to come down? Is this going to be a Rob Defender? Bum-bub-bub-bub all this stuff. And you just need to go through your progressions as you didn't practice, understand the defense. He rarely has his back to the defense.

36:35So when the ball snapped, the safety is going to tell you one thing or another. The corners are going to tell you, the back is going to tell you. It's up to him to figure out which one he's supposed to look at and to read that he's supposed to go off of it. So if it's supposed to be a first read as a slant, well then take a look at what that outside backer safety is doing. If your next read is supposed to be a seam round, well, take a look at the safety. They've bust out and cover two. If it's cover four, you know, you don't have it. So I'm looking and saying he's trying to read everything and he's trying to anticipate everything and it's really got him caught up right now. He's hesitant when he throws and then when he does, unfortunately, he's making poor decisions. So that all makes sense to me. How do you go from being a guy that nearly wins the MVP award to seeing ghosts, not trusting what you're seeing, seeing everything and seeing nothing? Like how did that happen? I think you might have just stunk me, Jim. I don't know how that happens. When I think about, I immediately started thinking about all the good quarterbacks.

37:38I've either played against or fortunate to play with Drupurys, Hall of Fame quarterback and they never regressed, right? The next year, they said, okay, we kind of got over this first hurdle of identifying defenses. Now we want to go to the next phase of how can we manipulate a defense? How are we able to get our backside basic route open versus cover four and try to manipulate a savior or the outside backer, right? So and I think about Matt Ryan when I played against him a bunch of times, I think about Aaron Rodgers, his progression, like every really, really good quarterback, future Hall of Fame quarterback, they all took that next step where it wasn't about the offense anymore. It was more about manipulating the defense and getting your guys open. So if Drupurys wanted a backside dig, he was going to manipulate the defense to get a backside dig, 15 yards in or with the wide receiver. So I can't tell you what the issue is. All I would say is he needs to go back to basics.

38:40He needs to just focus on the main thing, keep the main thing the main thing. I always tell, I used to tell my guys that and it's really about figuring out the process of how to win games. Forget how many yards you have, forget who you need to kind of feed and get involved in the game. It's about how do you win this game? What's the process that I'm taking weekly to make sure we win? We're talking to Jonathan Vilma. No, I appreciate that. And I'm really glad you brought up Drew breeze because those who know, know, and then those who don't necessarily know might think of Drew breeze and think, yeah, well, yeah, Tom Brady, this Drew breeze that Drew breeze losses job and Drew breeze with such a great player and such a great dude still is and such a great leader. Can you talk about him for a minute? What was he like to play with and what made him different? So Drew breeze, I've said it before, he was the best teammate I had at ultimate competitor. And when I say, oh, let me rephrase that, besides Ed Reed in college, Drew breeze best best teaming I had ultimate competitor in the sense that defensively we're known to be loud, brash, violent, right? We're the aggressors and it's usually

39:44the quarterbacks that are supposed to be calm, you know, even keel and you never really know where the where the competitive drive is for some of the quarterbacks, right? Until they get hit, right? And then you kind of find out what they're really about. And I'll never forget the practices that we had and Drew breeze, he was so adamant and not just running his offense, but frankly kicking our defenses, but like that, that was his goal. He was like, yeah, I'm going to run my offense and I got awesome wide receivers and I got shocky at tight end and Jimmy Graham at tight end, but today I want my defense to feel like crap. Like literally at the end of practice, be like, hey guys, this was a bad practice. We need to get better, right? That's Drew's mentality. And I think he doesn't get it enough credit for how competitive he was, how much he wanted to win, how much he put on himself, the responsibility that he had and he still produced man, game in, game out, he still produced at a high level. So I never like to compare Brady and breeze. I'm always biased. It's going to be breeze all day long. But the similarities that they

40:45had at quarterback, the chip on the shoulder, the way they prepared. I mean, it's like one A and one B. I love that. So if Ed Reed was the most competitive guy or a teammate you ever had, Jonathan, that O1 Cain's team, if Ed was the most competitive, who was the best pure athlete on arguably the best college football team ever? Damn, Jim. So I'm laughing because I knew the question was coming and I still had to think and I was like, man, who was it? So I can't give you one. I have to give you like top three or four. Can I can I do that? You can do that. All right. So I'd say in no particular order, I would go Andre Johnson, DJ Williams, number one recruit, the only player that Madden said it could have gone from high school straight to NFL. I would go Vince Wilfork. He is the only guy over 300 pounds I've ever seen stop a fourth and

41:46one by jumping over alignment from a four point stance. And then I left Sean Taylor for last because I got a good story about Sean. He was said he played at about two 15 to 20. And I'll never forget that my senior year, his junior year, coach Shannon was our defensive coordinator says, Hey, man, you need to lose weight. He's talking to Sean Taylor. You need to lose weight. You're getting fat. That's what he told him. And I was like, what is he talking about? So I kind of just acted like I didn't hear it. And so I started kind of watching Sean to see, you know, what was coach talking about? So all of a sudden Sean goes over and he weighs himself. But before he weighs himself, it kind of looks around to make sure no one's looking. And obviously I did like one of these to make sure I he didn't see me looking. And then he steps on the scale. So I promise you, I will never forget this gym. He stepped on the scale. I took a look from afar. He was 242 pounds. Dude, John Taylor was playing safety at six foot to 242 pounds. This was

42:56the man. The man. He was something else. That's incredible. That is incredible. I would have never if you'd asked me, what do you think he would? I would have never said that ever. Jonathan Villain, we got to walk off on that. What a great story. That is, you are the absolute best, Sean. Then I appreciate you, man. Great to have you on the show. Thank you so much for doing. Thank you. Thanks man. You are the best, dude. You are the best. Jonathan Villain, man, he was such a great player. So intense, so heady, super well champ, national champ, great got to wrap with my thanks to Jonathan Villain, Sean Taylor, man, 245. All right, hour number two straight ahead. Stay tuned. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. No two football players are exactly alike. And the same is true off the field. That's why State Farm gifts to know you so they can help personalize coverage for your life and budget. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.