Bill Kristol: They're F*cking Thieves

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1:01Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really care about flavor use it, put it on just about anything. Then you'll understand. Cupid, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Hello and welcome to the Bowen or Daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. It is Monday. I'm delighted to get to see my man Bill Crystal again. We were just together in Ohio on Friday and Saturday. We're going to have a bunch for you on that at the end of the show. And then in segment two, we're going to put a little bit from our live show in Dayton, my conversation with Patrick Gasbard, longtime Democratic operative, his family is from Haiti and was really grateful he was able to come to Ohio to be part of it. So hey, Bill, how are you doing? I'm fine, Tim. How are you? I'm doing pretty good. All things considered. We saw some sad stuff in Ohio.

2:02We're also saw some sad stuff on our television this weekend if you're watching sports. The government is now doing just fully kind of taxpayer funded 1984 propaganda, paid for by the US government. We played one of the clips on the show last week. And this was airing on Fox News. And for some reason that was a little less offensive to me. And it did hurt my feelings that my tax dollars were being paid for this ad. But it's like, well, Fox News is just propaganda anyway. But this weekend they had a new ad out, which we cannot play for you because it's Trump's voice. And I don't want to give him any more attention. But it's Trump walking down a hallway kind of like the shining, looking very creepy, where a voiceover of him saying, we will demolish the deep state, expel the war mongers from our government. You will route the fake news media. And it had a disclaimer paid for by the US government, which means paid for by you and me. That was airing during football this weekend. Yeah. And it was literally a 2024 campaign ad, right? Did they take her with it even a tiny bit, I think, maybe or maybe not at all?

3:04But you know, these do all these constraints. And everyone else in the White House, you remember this campaign. So I mean, you know, government money tech, you know, supposed to campaign their political money and strict segregating and the travel for obviously TV ads. You could not use a political ad. As a government, you know, public service and ask what that's supposed to be sort of, hey, you know, what government's supposed to put on the air is, hey, if you're over 65, you should remember getting flu shot, you know, not Trump, not propaganda. It is someone commented on Twitter that it was like, or, or bond did this a lot. He controlled government of two thirds of the media, I think, and Hungary. And they were massive amounts of Orban ads, you know, masquerading as government service announcements and paid for by the taxpayers of Hungary. And it didn't help them in the last election. So maybe that's encouraging. It is outrageous on its face. Like it is, it is a total of front and Ted Cruz is entire body would have combusted. You know, he would have spontaneously combust it. Had Barack Obama done something like this.

4:04It's like, love you in the background and one of them and the other one talking about, you know, how great he is. So it's totally outrageous, insane to spend our money on this. But the point I just think is a political matter on this being an old ad. In some ways it kind of reveals how much he's failed his promises and betrayed his voters. And going back to those lines, we will demolish the deep state. Really? I guess maybe some people will feel that way if they, if all they've met by the deep state was like the liberals that were going after Trump and the DOJ. But certainly, I don't think anyone, even Trump people think that they've cleaned up DC corruption or the swamp will expel the war mongers from our government. Yes, they couldn't, they couldn't change that line. I don't know. I'm in a war right now on that level. It wasn't to me a particularly compelling piece of persuasion. No, it's kind of bizarre actually. I had the same, when I skimmed the text, I can't, you know, show the Trump's voice. I can't even watch it privately. You know, so I didn't watch it. But I read it.

5:05They have enough money in Trump world to do a fresh 30 second ad touting whatever they think they can tout. Right. It's kind of crazy to have an ad saying we're expeling the war mongers. And the next voice, he said, I don't accept this, this bad proposal from Iran. I'd be start the bombing again the day after election day, you know, so. The other thing just about the skill of corruption is this would have been hard to fund either. And there are plenty of people they're shaking down. And they could just put this up their super PAC. They have plenty of money in their super PAC. They're plenty of rich people. They're trying to get in Trump's good favor. It's almost like rubbing in our face that we can do this with, with your money, you know, it's pretty sick. I mean, you mentioned that tech crews would be exploding if a bomb a previous administration's people would not have done it. I mean, that is to say there would have been many staffers. Let's just begin with White House Council. But I mean, everyone you can't do this. And people would have I would have said you you can't if you're insisting on doing this. I'm gone. I mean, you can't. There's an actual law that specifies no use of appropriations in every year's appropriations, but I'll know you to government funds for personal political propaganda.

6:06But it's so beyond the pale of what anyone has done that there's nothing about the Trump administration, right? Trump didn't personally produce the ad. Trump didn't personally place the buy from the White House. Trump didn't personally add the disclaimer paid for by the US government. People are going along and enabling this very, very few people seem to be deciding this is beyond the pale. Right. You mentioned the budget. I just think this is just another thing from the weekend worth mentioning. So if you remember, I was about to say from Trump one, it feels like it's from Trump one from the first few months of this second administration, which feels like a hundred years ago. You know, the big story was doge, but you know, that was kind of the clownish version of what Elon was doing. What what Russ vote was doing with these decisions. That was like a big part of project 2025 and like what that they had been planning for. We just got learned at the end of the week. Are we Friday? Like the scale of the decisions they plan on. What decisions are as like the means that, you know, Congress appropriated funds for X in, you know, X Y and Z in the budget.

7:06And the federal government just decides, and we're not going to do X. Right. Like basically the agencies decide on themselves. We're going to, we're not going to appropriate those funds. So we learned it was about 810 million dollars in the latest round of pocket decisions. Our friends Susan Collins, who, you know, I mean, for only we learned last week from public that only takes a couple of million bucks to get hurt to. I get you a very big government contract. So she was unhappy about this. Without warning her consultation, the LMB has, has, you know, cut these this 810 million. This undermines Congress's constitutional power of the purse, etc, etc. And obviously she's the head of the Appropriations Committee voted to confirm Russ vote. And like now is just left to limply criticize us. Does kind of undermine her core argument for reelection. But it's pretty crazy. The stuff is happening and given all the like more public outrage slides under the radar.

8:08But no, I really stay as Sarah said and you said, really sticking in our face. I mean, 800 billion dollars is on the one hand a lot of money on the other hand. It's not much money compared to massive deficit. So they could have got ahead and spent it. They didn't have to, you know, I mean, maybe they don't, it's not there. You know, like the program is fine. But so they really just sticking it in people's face. You know what? We're not following the law. We're not obeying all these practices that have been in for a lot of decisions. We're ruled unconstitutional, I think at a legal 40, 50 years ago, Nixon tried to do it in a broad scale way, way, way back when if the education environment where I was chief of staff, if someone appropriated money for, I don't even know what's a, you know, some certain set of funding programs for schools. It turned out we didn't need that much money that year. There were fewer people who were eligible, whatever, right? You know, then you would call, you would get in touch with the Senate appropriations people and say, you know what? We're going to be programmed this money here or you can have this money back in a sense. So, this isn't a crazy thing in the sense that a budget appropriation at the beginning of the year made up the exactly what you end up needing. Sure. But it's supposed to be a cooperative thing with Congress to save a little bit of

9:08money. And instead they're just doing it to program is they don't like to show that they can do it. But I think that's the key. This isn't like a, you know, right? Well, and also to feel powerful against little rest vote who is a, you know, creep, you know, who was stuffed in a locker in high school, like a chance to, you know, have powers like a mall cop, you know, kind of creating problems for kids who are just hanging out outside the mall, you know, drunk on his own power. Well, hopefully this is a constant centers that goes down. There were many, many shocking things that we saw and learned in our trip to Ohio. But it's possible that the craziest thing that I heard was JVL surprising me on stage with the fact that he thinks that the Democrats could get 56 senators. That's how it's like what happened to dark JVL? What happened to Mr. pessimism that, you know, everything's over. The world orders over the democracy's over. He thinks the Democrats can get 56 senators. So obviously that would require Susan Collins losing and a much expanded map.

10:09I want to just talk a little bit at the big picture about, I mean, are you as high on their own supplies JVLs right now? You know, if you're the first darkest JVL, when you veer to the sunny side, you overdo it, right? Does JVL sort of that's a sort of psychological phenomenon. It's like he thought Biden was a great JVL in early 2024. I love JVLs. Look at me wrong. He's a very super shrewd and swarred analyst of so many things about our politics. But anyway, I've always been as, you know, bullish on the wave and think the wave would be, talked the wave would be bigger than people expected. And I think it is proving to be and it's, you just see every week and moves up a pointer to in the generic and the Trump's approval. Never, it has so far hasn't reversed at all, right? Usually there's a little bit of a bear market rally. Is the way you should think of it. You see you've been through these campaigns where you get, you know, you're doing well, you're gating, there's a little reversal for a week. I've won PanEx. And then it turns out the reversal was kind of a fake reversal. I keep expecting that to happen this time, honestly. It often happens late September kind of. There's a little bit of reversion to the mean, which then gets overtaken by the actual

11:11wave and undertow, but there's been no reversion to the mean. And so I do think it's a big wave. And a lot of states are in play. If they all broke in the right way, you could get to that kind of, get to that kind of number in the Senate, I think. I want to talk about what that would look like in a second, but just a few news. I just the weekend about kind of, I think why we're not seeing that, you know, little false rally for Republicans. I mean, the economic news just does not get any better. I'm particularly on the cost side. We have this morning, the 10 year bond deal with the highest. It's been in two decades and it keeps going up and up and up. And I would say this during the Biden administration, like it really does make people feel like the economy is bad when interest rates are this high. In addition to how it's those investment and all the other macro stuff, that's for Catherine Pell, I'm more about kind of people's vibes. On the vibe side, it's like, you, you feel stuck. It's like if you want to down, if you want to downsize your house, because you're retiring, you can't do it. If you want your kids to get a house, they can't do it. If you want to move to another town, or you get a better job, you're like, God, I'll be making 20 grand more if I get this job in a different place.

12:15But I'm going to lose all that in the interest on the mortgage that's going to cost to get out. All right. So like all this stuff matters. So you have that ramping up in this obviously, it's a great sort of what's happening with the war. But, you know, we wind over the weekend that there were eight US Marines injured and previously unreported September 14th, Iranian anti ship cruise missile attack on a vessel in the straight-of-form moves. And so it's like this whole time where they're talking about, oh, the straight is open. Like, oh, the blockade, you know, is working. You even have a vessel today. It might be two weeks. It's always two weeks until the Iranian economy collapses. And it's like, no, like during all of this time, we had a ship attacked and US soldiers injured, you know, trying to keep the straight up. But and so like, obviously, that has impacts both on people's assessment of what's happening with the war, but you know, on the economy back up. No, I was really shocked by that story. I mean, I need to look at it in more detail, but that's recent, right? That's like 12 days. Yeah, two weeks ago. 14th, you said.

13:16Yeah. I was one saying we knew that they hadn't reported stuff back in the early days of the war. And we had sort of a internalized the notion that they weren't candid then. I guess I've superbly thought that, okay, maybe they could feel now they can't keep covering stuff up, but they're just they continue to lie routinely, right? At the defense department. That's not good. All right, everybody with the humidity and the Louisiana, you know, always looking for some clothes that are going to help make it as comfy as possible. You want to look sharp, but also be comfy. You don't want to have the armpit stains, you know, looking for something, something wicking, something that's going to feel good and look good. One item I'd recommend for you on that front is the AirNate X Fabric from Mac Weldon. You can browse the full AirNate X collection at Mac Weldon.com and you get 20% off your first order of 125 bucks or more with code The Bullwork. I'm loving the AirNate X Fabric. It's nice just kind of wear around the neighborhood when I'm walking around. Sometimes what I do to prepare for the podcast is, you know, I'll listen to other podcasts

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15:22double work that's M-A-C-K-W-E-L-D-O-A and dot com code double work. So because of that, I think because of the continued bad news and economic and more front, I think this is what is really underpinning additional dem gains and hope of dem gains. It's an interesting chart over the weekend that looked at the house races. And because of the way Jerry Bandra worked, this is that word dummy manor that was being thrown around. Part of the reason why this was thrown around is that you can only do so much with Jerry Bandra. You don't have to go somewhere. And so what a lot of the smart so-called smarts on the Republican side would have left to people who are able to count and look at maps, what they did was they would try to take districts that were let's say that Trump won by 20 or 25 for example. And then you looked at a district that may be Trump won by three. And so that's total of 28. Well now we'll make it Trump 15 and 13.

16:22Like this is under doing this off the top of my head. And so because of that, you have this huge swath of races that is like somewhere between like Trump plus nine and Trump plus 16th right. And right now the Democratic generic ballot is like Democrats plus eight. And so like they're right on the cusp of this thing where if they can kind of get through this Jerry mandering valley and win these races that are Trump nine 10 a lot of like a lot could fall. And so that's where you go from kind of a nice night from the Democrats to like a oh my god like wave night. And we really are on the cusp of that right now. And so we thought it'd be fun. You thought it'd be fun. This was your idea to kind of look at a couple of races either in the house or the center. But I'm focusing on the house where each week for the next few weeks, you know the cadet use a little extra attention where we predict good things could happen for the Democrats, but maybe listeners could help give a little nut. So what are your thoughts on kind of just that general overall kind of map analysis and then go ahead and give us what ratio looking at very much agree on the map analysis.

17:27We all look at the generic and it's plus eight. It doesn't really occur to us. That's sorry that of course in 2024 the generic was plus two Republican right in your public is one of all the house races by net net it out at about two points nationally Trump won by a point and a half. So plus eight is really a ten point shift. From the last election they had. So it's in the same district you should probably be deducting ten points not eight from the margin that the candidate had and then the redistricting thing is a little more complicated it was hard to construct what the district would have been back then, but you're right. And also trends are different in different states. You know, like it is. You know, like we're seeing just so far we'll see that turns out when the polls for some reason, you know, in the Northeast in particular and some of the kind of like these upper Midwest states, the numbers don't look quite as stark as they do. And a lot of the sun belt states and you know, Mountain West. The wave is stronger in red states. I think that makes blue wave and I think that makes sense. We take about it for two seconds. You know, in a way a Republican, I mean Democrats are max already maxed out in a lot of

18:29these other states, right? And so I think it's good if that's the case of course. The Democrats want the wave to happen in the states that are competitive. They don't need a wave and to increase their margin and Massachusetts. Right. Well, but this is what I think also just speaks to that average. Like this is what we're talking about our plus 10. It's the median. But to get to our plus 10, I could say if in New York, it's in some big states like New York and California and then you know, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, you know, they're not main. Republicans are only plus six. That means that Democrats are only plus six. You and I still have occasionally I do this to I slip into that assuming that it's the Republican. I'm the plus side. Yeah, sorry. That's only plus six. Then that means in other states there are plus 12 13, right? You know what I mean? Right. Totally. Yeah, that's what I was like. Okay. Why don't you give us your story? You want to go first? You got to go first. You go first. So I have a Senate race actually and this is totally crazy. It's a great place to start. Totally crazy. Yeah, I'm going out in a limb. You know, you can see easy to say, okay, Iowa, Alaska, Texas.

19:30You can even go to the Kansas, this is the world. You can go one step further. The Mississippi is James Carvell's big. I miss a city. A couple of the states like that. The Nebraska weather is strong and dependent candidate. I'm going all the way to Idaho. Trump plus 36, 2024. Jim Rich think comment one by 30 in 2020. So, yeah, okay, Jim Rich. Jim Rich is running for reelection. He's done no events to speak of as a candidate. He almost never shows up in Idaho. It seems he's chairman of foreign relations. So he has 2Ds allegedly and that does a fairbyte of international travel. Jim Rich is 83 years old. He's a career politician. He's 83 years, he's Mitch McConnell's age. And he's asking the voters of Idaho to send it back for another six years. Kind of astounding. I've seen some polling now. It's admittedly polling from a Democratic firm, but as him underwater in terms of favorability in Idaho personally, he just hasn't been touched there. Kind of an absentee old guy, Senator, you know, and Trump is underwater in Idaho. That's really astounding if that's true. But anyway, in this one poll, he was and it seems like a reputable poll.

20:31It may be a little bit tilted in a democratic direction. His opponent is Tata Killese, who is an independent. So this is one of the states Nebraska, South Dakota, and Idaho are the three where the Democratic Party got it together. Montana. Montana, they didn't want to go up there. They're the independent candidate could end up de facto being the Democrats. The Democrat might collapse. And there's other three that Democrat, Democratic candidate, have a woman nomination literally pulled out so that he's not here. She's there's no Democrat on the ballot, which means it's really just a Republican against an incumbent. There are a couple of swall, the third fourth party, libertarian types and so forth. And Tata Killese is running and I looked at his website. He's running as an independent veteran for the United States Senate. He's a veteran. Very impressive guy, young mid-40s. A genuine independent says he won't caucus with either party. So he's got as far as you can go to give Idahoans a chance to vote for an independent, you know, don't want to vote for a Democrat, which they don't seem to have wanted to do for a few decades, to vote for an independent, running as some moderate voice for change. And there's polling that shows the race basically even.

21:32I mean, it's hard to believe and again, maybe at the end of the day, the Republicans come home, etc., etc. It's also an attractive Democratic candidate for governor there, which might make that race a little bit competitive. A Mormon woman who's pro-choice and there's an abortion rights referendum on the ballot. And I know it's always one of those states up in that area, which are more libertarian than you would think on some of these social issues. Yeah. And Boise is growing. Huge growth in Boise. Yeah. Like, it's a lot of people from California and stuff have been there. So the person I talked to in Idaho said he thought that would help that they think since abortion rights referendum could pass. Idaho voted 61% to increase Medicaid eligibility to, you know, when that was always being voted. Remember, that was a big issue in the late Trump first term. When the Republican legislature said, no, we don't want any part of that Medicaid expansion. And the Idaho voters said, yeah, you know what? We'd like to have that federal money. You know, that was a member of a big ideological fight. So I don't know. Put all that together. Maybe Idaho would be in play. Wouldn't that be something? Are you sure Jim Risha's alive?

22:32I don't know. I can do a personal life. I have not personally looked into this. But we can do this before next Monday. I'll double check on this. This is the segment that we have. Now I know why you suggested this bill. Were you ever on the McLaughlin group? I was not, but my colleague Fred Barnes was a regular for many years. I thought you were a guest one time. Maybe one. This kind of feels like the last segment of the McLaughlin group. You know, John's like, all right, Fred Barnes, Freddie Barnes. That is harsh, Tim. That is harsh, Tim. But OK. Then he's like, I think the Republicans can take for much. Like there is a little bit of that to that pitch, which I like. That's a compliment. Not a criticism. Everyone's gone just for a good laugh. I look at the, there's this clip from the McLaughlin group and where people are predicting who, I think it was who the VP would be in 92. And it's like a little later in the first, so Chris Matthews is in for somebody and he's always, Harris Wofford, you know, and it's like you're going through all the names and Gordon doesn't even get names like they all mentioned or I can end up people. This is kind of fun to hear all the random names.

23:34OK. I am turning us to my home state of Colorado, which I think is separate from the concept we were talking about earlier of some blue states being maxed out. I don't think Colorado and Virginia are quite maxed out yet. And I think Virginia is another place that we could go to. And I should say, sometimes this week, I'm going to have my kind of final batch of like house stretch races that I'm going to put out in a newsletter. So I'll make sure to flag that for people that comes out. You can see race if there are any races near state. You want to support. But Colorado, big and I'm from there, we'll start there. I've been treated by the fifth district in Colorado Springs. And you have Jessica Kellen, who's running. She is, you know, kind of in the Mikey Cheryl Vane, veteran, she's from Colorado Springs, huge military. And obviously Air Force Academy is there. Colorado Springs has never really been on the swing map because a so many military folks there and then also folks on the families there. And there's a lot of big evangelical community there.

24:36But as Denver has, you know, surged and gotten so big, there's been like a pretty decent amount of like trickle down growth down to Colorado Springs. And a ton of new people there that are, you know, and in some ways it's sort of like a mini Salt Lake City. You know, Salt Lake City is very blue. It's just Mormons, but versus evangelicals. Carlos Springs has gotten pretty blue. And the district kind of goes out into the rural surround there, which is a little more red. But she's running into Jeff Krank, who's been in there since I was working in races in Colorado, which is starting to be a wild now. I mean, I think 20 years. So Krank isn't as old as Jim Rish, but he's old. And he's like in the out of date, out of mold, like original tea party mold. Like the mega people never really loved him. He was never really authentic. Maga, you know, he was one of those guys that, I don't know, it isn't his heart. But it's acted like he really believed the tea party is about spending and like cutting spending and never really made the adjustment to being like, no, actually the Trump mega actually doesn't care.

25:37We like to give money to people. We like to give away free money to people. And we're mostly about hating immigrants. Like he, you know, he tried to make the pivot, but not that deftly. So he's kind of like not very appealing to moderates. Not a huge given person to excite. Trump's not going to do anything for turnout. Top of the ticket in Colorado is this insane guy Victor Marx. So we talked about on the trio. People should go watch him and he like bragged about killing a person. I he's like a totally mad man. He's a mad man. He's the governor candidate in Colorado. He's going to give his ass kicked. Where is the turnout coming from in Colorado? And I mean, the craziest prediction I've seen and governor Polis mentioned this to me when I spoke to him a couple months ago. And I've had now some analysts. I've seen do this is Colorado could go eight out. And I think that would be really crazy. I think Bobard's district is pretty red. I don't really think Bobard school is. But like I've seen some of those out there. So Rao have been making the bold eight out prediction. I'm just going to say Colorado five Jessica Killan over Jeff Crank. And I think that that would be kind of a pretty good summation of where the what happened

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27:47thing. After all, this big world we call home is yours for the making. So make what matters. Learn more at autodesk.com. With AutoDesk, you can make anything. All right, a couple other things. I want to fly through some AI stuff and what we saw in Ohio. Really quick though, before we do that, do you have any final thoughts on the China summit? No, I mean, even his defenders aren't claiming anything much was accomplished. And there's a ignoring all the unbelievable sucking up and cow-towing that Trump did, right? I mean, it really is kind of... Yeah. Why were you even saying, do you imagine if Obama did this? Can you imagine if Obama did this, right? Why someone made a good for that sort of thing? You know what I said, Trump, he sort of touches G.A.L.O.T. Like he's putting his hand on his back. And it's probably like the host I guess showing them around. But G.A.L.T. doesn't need to be... I mean, G.A.L.T. is where he's going and he's walking next to him. There's 5,000 staff who walked out every step, obviously.

28:49And it's... And it's someone commented some psychologist type that this is a classic thing you do if you're deferential to your... It's the person with you. You're the helping... You know, the kind of... Almost like a helping the older... Accordier. Yeah, cordier, right. Sure, let me show you. And it's sort of nervous that he's not... The G.A.L.T. is liking it a lot. So there's a lot of the sort of fact touching. I think that was a clever observation. That was a clever observation. That is clever. I mean, the other thing that you see when people are doing a lot of touching is flirting. So it could be cordier or it could be a little bit of flirting. Because you do sometimes, you'll notice that in a friend setting in my 20s, you're at a party and you're like, oh, yeah. And so it's really touching. So it's a little bit more than I would have expected. It seems like there's... Anyway, so there's maybe some of that in the China Summit. No, it was... I mean, just thoroughly... I can't believe we humiliating. And I mean, this takes it to the A.I.L.T. And they're A.I. arguments are nonsensical. Also, you know, I'm... We're talking about this a little bit, but it's just... You know, we, Trump, is like, full speed ahead on SI.

29:50AI. Because we have to win the race. But also, we should help China win the race by selling them as many chips as possible. It doesn't make any sense. And to the extent of how little sense it made, Jake Tapper was talking to Mike Waltz, who got... What a glutton for punishment this guy is. He gets fired by Laura Lumer as NSA. And then, kind of, demoted to another position in the government. And now here he is on CNN still doing whatever this is. Let's watch. Was anything else agreed to regarding artificial intelligence? Well, it's not just... We're going with superintelligence now, Jake. But not just a hotline, you know, this kind of Cold War hotline in case of catastrophe. Secretary Bessent also announced, and as a result of the summit, an SI dialogue. An SI dialogue? I'm old enough to remember when we used to make fun of liberals who were always, you know, but they had nothing to announce after meeting with some foreign...

30:51You know, hostile power is sort of what we were having dialogue with them, you know. I thought you were going to say we make fun of liberals for, like, making up new PC words. Well, that's true. You know, this is the other thing that we're doing. It's like, we have a word already. Do you think superintelligence is a better word for them, incidentally, for the extreme, you know, let it all go, guys? It feels like the artificial intelligence, artificial is not as a neutral word, right? We have artificial suite, there are artificial turf, and football fields, whatever. I don't think it turns people off, particularly. Superintelligence is a little scary, isn't it? I mean, don't we associate that with, kind of, like, out of control? I don't know, you know. I do. It's funny that Trump thinks that's a better word. I just feel like that's a weird word. And this is part of the way that these guys have just been so co-opted by TechWorld. And part of this is just, like, the tech language, where, like, I do think that they're out of touch with how, like, people are processing all of this. I mean, I don't think that most regular people are necessarily doomers on AI, or, like, you know, super fans, but, you know, people are, like, learning about it,

31:54kind of, like, open and seeing how it's going, and, and the pro, like, AI boosters, boomers are boosters. The boosters, like, they talk in these weird ways. There's this Facebook pitch from there, they're ahead of AI over the weekend. And it's so creepy. I think I, it's a, like, a very long post, and there is a, it's combined with an image of, like, an anime, utopia, kind of image, you know, what the picture. And the guy is, is pushing the new, kind of, Facebook AI product, which is going to be this, like, I guess, like a robot that is with you and knows everything that you want. And so, like, you're right, says, most people never say what they want. It's not because we don't want. We want fiercely and constantly. We can't name our dreams. We mostly can't reach them. And every unrealized want is a quiet tragedy of human potential. The new, the new meta-product will fix that.

32:54Because here's to wanting. Here's to everyone. I'm sorry. No, I know. I know. I'm just like, have these people ever want to dystopia movie? Like, or, like, this, isn't this the plot of every dystopia movie, which is like the technology offers you everything that you could possibly want in the world. And you'll never have any needs or desires anymore. And then the people, the characters, the movie, learn that that's actually not a good way to healthy way to live. Like, isn't this also like a fundamental message of most of the world's religions? And it's like, and it feels that they haven't reflected on any of the, on, on their current products. Like, if you're at meta, like, Facebook's initial promise was it was going to connect the world and bring everybody together. And now it's like an algorithmic slot feed. And it's just like, I just like, they're all in this place where, where people are excited about all this stuff. And they're not. Yeah, every unrealized dream is a tragedy. Is that what you write? That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Many dreams are unrealized. That's not a tragedy. It's a tragedy. Right? When something terrible happens to you.

33:56Not, you, I dreamed of being a center fielder for the mass, but it's not a tragedy that I'm not, you know. That's, that's living actually. It's, yeah, I'm sort of tragedy. Living is like having dreams and wants and desires and, and, you know, failing and trying harder and, and maybe failing again and then trying and then succeeding or, or, you know, it makes the dreams that are realized feel sweeter because you have all the other, you know, I mean, like, yeah, it's like what all the world's literature is about. Like if you watch the movie, like their pitch is so inhuman. Right. We also had, and, and through our big warnings over the weekend, some more staffers are talking about that things are never going to be chill again. I'm concerned that I'm moving too far and to do a retiretory. But I feel like you're in my belt on this. Like what, what sure? Now I am partly because I'm chumps being so unbelievably irresponsible. We had a normal government that had set up a very high quality commission and was doing some pausing some stuff and, and working with the companies to pause the most dangerous stuff and to check a few things for now holding open what we do six months from now.

35:01It's the normal thing that a government would do it little clunkily, whatever a little bit too many bipartisan commissions, but nonetheless, I would be kind of, okay, you know what, let's take a, let's slow it down and take a look. I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'll tell you they're obviously a lot of great things they I can do. But yeah, well, if you have this degree of response, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, I apologize, terrible. But yeah, if you have this irresponsible administration, you need to go, err more on the other side because this is sort of like saying, you know, nuclear weapons aren't a problem in the early 50s, and we're just going to, we're ahead of everyone. So we're just going to, we're going to gun it and everyone else can try to gun it, but we're going to beat them. Nuclear, you know, the idea that there's any problem with it getting all over the place and getting out of control and losing coordination of certain aspects of, of where we want to stop things from going. Anyway, and the hostility to the international side is also just so self-ferratically, you know, to America first. So we're not going to coordinate with anyone really. Is that, is that sensible for something like this? Like maybe on, like, didn't we learn something with the pandemic that it's kind of good to have, you be able to stop some of these things from spreading, you know, beyond our control.

36:04I don't know. Yeah. Well, here's one good part. Trump and the people around him are are using Si to kind of speedrun like the Marie Antoinette life story. Dan Scavino, his golf caddy turned W. Chief of Staff, posted a meme over the weekend where he is writing on a luggage cart, what appears to be at Mar-a-Lago. I think Eric, two blondes are with them that are that don't really look like Eric's wife and anyone who's supposed to be the AI did a much more accurate rendition of Dan and Eric. And the song's playing is don't stop the party. They're in tuxedos and formal wear and then they see Trump and they're kind of spraying champagne everywhere. I don't know that I feel like that that kind of thing would have been frowned upon when you were working at the Department of Education or the White House. I think that's correct. And plus is that really wise politically five weeks before an election when people are extremely upset about affordability and stuff.

37:06It's like we're living it up here. Where's where it's? Don't stop the party. Yeah. It has a real Marie Antoinette feel to it right. Yeah. Well, hopefully they hoist themselves in their own guitar with the AI staff. All right. Let's talk about Springfield. The good news first. It's that the war community is unbelievable and it's just so grateful and I mean it was crazy. Like 1100 people came to Dayton. Not the easiest place in the world to get to for Friday night event. It was really wonderful to see everybody. We've raised the number just keeps going out that we've raised over 300,000 dollars now for the Haitian community. Help in support center, which is which is awesome. And that's very meaningful. And I don't know what we're kind of your reactions on that positive side. No, it's great. This is the support. And the volunteers we met. We were together there in Springfield Friday afternoon before we did the event Friday night in Dayton. I met this guy my age. We met once before years and years ago, apparently, who drives in from, you know, little distance in Ohio.

38:14I didn't get clear exactly how many days a week, but he does it several days a week to bring food, you know, boxes of, you know, canned goods and packaged foods and stuff to Haitian families who can't go out. I mean, there's there. They don't want to get obviously harassed or well, not just harassed but arrested by eyes. They can't work anymore because they had TPS and they were working and they were checking in every month that all that's gone. I mean, the degree of the irrational cruelty and sort of just pointless injustice of the whole thing is I guess it was for home to be by the two, three hours we spent in in Springfield itself. So it was inspiring the reaction and the strength of the community itself. The people we had it did not that many people we got to meet there. There's people were not really outmatched honestly, but in the restaurant we went to and stuff. It was inspiring to see the people Haitians and many people in the community, but depressing how much damage the Trump administration has been able to do this pointless cruelty. Yeah, a couple of the community leaders from the Haitian community who came and talked to the event Sam interviewed them. It was just it is inspiring what they're doing, but also just so painful to hear their stories and talk about what kids went through at schools and all this.

39:25And the thing that happened to me that was really really maybe sad going to Springfield is so we're doing this as mentioned the funders for this Haitian Community Health and Support Center, which is this grassroots up from the bootstraps. It's like in the back of a church, you know, people just trying to pitch in and help and Jim has been riding with us in the newsletter and then fish go back and read his old newsletters if they haven't. So it was closed on Friday. We were there because there was talk that that advice was about. And so I just wanted to go by anyway just kind of shout them out, like do a little selfie video or something like, okay, here's what volunteers are working. And we pull up and you know, so I was in a black SUV because there was a bunch of us driving around and there were like four Asians sitting on the stoop of the thing. And like I dropped popped out. I don't look like ice, you know, I'm dressed like a stirdough or whatever. And I'm like saying, I'm like, no, I just I just want to come say hi. And like they were scared.

40:27You just tell they were scared. And just like the seeing of the black car and you know, like I dropped jump out and I just felt horrible about like, you know, I didn't intend to do that. And it just was. And then talking to some of the other volunteers, like you said about how people are scared to go out. And it's just it feels like East Germany. I could feel like he's Germany for these people. And it's not necessary. I could just totally on like, why are we doing this? Like in ARC in America, why do people feel like they are behind the iron curtain? You know, or some other kind of fascist regime where they have to fear for themselves to go around. I can't I just feel like I'm a broken record on this. But it's like even if you want to N T P S, which I would not before, like there's a way to do that that does not like, you know, try to inflict terror on an entire community that did nothing. Except try to do it. So many other people have done throughout the country's history, which is like come here for an opportunity for better life, go to work, raise their family.

41:34Like that's all that they were doing. I none of them have broken any laws. This is not about immigration law breaking. It is just solely because of a campaign tactic, like one community, but the administration has decided to target and menace. I don't know. And again, like the woman who came to our event and she's talking about her kids going me out at and school. And the thing is just like truly, truly appalling. And that was part of it that was really. Yeah, people not going to the hospital when they're when they should for checkups. Yes. We talked to one of the chaplains at the hospital who came to the event was also to meet him. He sent me some emails about specific examples. And he was talking about, but like, yeah, that's right. It's like pregnant mothers don't want to come in for maternal care. I mean, like why I for nothing like for nothing just to just to support JD Vance of smears.

42:34Well, let's support the spheres. Obviously, that's very important. And that, yeah, that was terrible. He and Trump said that I thought, OK, they can't win the presidency. I mean, that that's so out, you know, beyond the pill. I was wrong. But of course, that's part of what they really want, which is they've got the young and they could be son. The great what's the call the re migration is the term they want. That's the term that the fascist, the fascist use in Europe. We wanted to get rid of the people who've come. It's not just we want to crack down on the border or get a little stricter on TPS policies or anything like that. We want to get rid of all these people dark skin people basically who have come and whether including ones who've been that who becomes citizens. And so that's the next step. And that's that this is their re migration policy. And they they are happy to terrify people because that might cause more people to self-deport or try to go to Canada. Some Haitians are trying to get into Canada or elsewhere. I mean, Haiti itself is horribly dangerous. Of course. So no, it's it's terribly in that respect. It's it really brings home the horror of this policy, I think.

43:34Well, it's down to saying I was I guess we should also shout out Don Leonard who came to the event is he's running for Congress from the district. I like to cut of this guy's gym. I mean, he was not he does not at all sound like a regular politician. He kind of jumped into the fray and this districts that is in kind of that group that I was talking about earlier, you know, that was like that would in another year be very quite a red safe district. But but this year is maybe in play. And I thought it was cool for him to come out. Nothing against the other Democrats running statewide. We didn't invite everybody to come. And I think that there are a bunch of Democrats that are maybe they just feel like Iran and the economy and corruption are more fruitful thing Medicare, Medicare more fruitful things to talk about than this or more politically advantageous things to talk about. And so I thought it was cool that he came. If people are looking for just a regular guy. It's an outsider. He definitely fits that bill. So I thought it was nice to come. The other thing that happened really and all the stuff which we've been talking about over the weekend this one share because it has been ads morning is I got another email from Mary and Thomas Debbie's and Dilly.

44:44So they were on the end family. And that just let me know that her son, you know, when she was first emailing one of the things. She was shocked. It was like one of her hopes was that her son would be able to celebrate his birthday outside of the fucking camp that we put them in. Unfortunately, that was not a realized hope is birth those weekend. And they've been actually losing access to email and phone and other stuff. She's she last time than she had before. And I just like this story. I don't it continues to baffle me. I understand that there's so many outrageous out there in the world. But I I know we have democratic politicians listen to this show. The she wrote about the second the nation. I wrote about it. I've talked about on TV. Nobios talks about I don't are people afraid that they're going to be called pro or on terrorists or something because you know if they come out to defend the grand child. And that was part of the Iranian hostage crisis like we've held the grand son for six months in a camp like this is Saudi Arabia shit like this is like what MBS does are going to hold the kids of my political foes.

45:52I couldn't hold the grand kids of the Iranians in a fucking camp in Texas in America like why like there's no this there is no threat at all. This kid had to like get arrested in front of his friends at school drop off and now sent to a camp for six months. It's sickening. I do hope that people with platforms and people with power and access to power will speak out about this case in particular. So anyway, that was one of the rant I wanted to do on the immigration front. Do you have anything else to believe people that's for I transition to Patrick guys or do you have a nice meditation on the Archbishop of the Cardinal this weekend. I'm here at DC he's he gave a great speech yesterday at St Matthew's church right now actually our old office the week of Santa were JV all in China last from Mary 25 years ago maybe yeah I remember that one. And really a wonderful speech about I guess it was the like migrants recognition day or something like that for the Catholic church they have an annual day recognition is at the right word whatever they call it.

46:54And you gave a really wonderful speech you can read about it in the newsletter and but you can read about it on I got it from someone else obviously I wasn't I'm not following every Catholic. Archbishop speech with sermon we're calling them sermon. Yes, I was commonly apologize. I'm always I'm I'm I lingo here for this and we're really a terrific just I mean make the basic point that this is not right and this is not Christian and it's not American. It's not a due to our enemy and it's not the statute of liberty but we can't turn away I mean it's not just condemning the people who are doing this it's not condemning but suggesting that we as a country are not. We're not being good Samaritan's we're not we're doing a we're not crossing the street to avoid it but we're not exactly engaging this injustice as much as we should so the boy you just made really he's echoing. Yeah, no and then the and this was when when JD did his outdoor order Morris nonsense with the Pope push back about which is like the and the literal story of the good Samaritan is the opposite of this the good that the Samaritan I helped the person that was not of his family or his friend who has tried.

48:00After the people it is like he's of his tribe yeah crosses the street doesn't doesn't help him. Yeah, right. So give that a read in morning shots appreciate I'm very much I'm sorry to end on negative because our listeners our community really did show up and I can overwhelm. We way and it's still it's funny like you know I was around I was with some friends this weekend and I'm sad a little time between you know the fundraiser and and some other stuff we're doing in DC this week and you know who like know what we're up to and know we're doing but aren't you know politics is on the top of their list and I told them we did this. And then they're like how big is your audience. To do to just one guy right that check. No, I've been barely any big check so it's like we just we have an awesome community that really did step up and hopefully it can temper you know some of the fastest bullshit that these guys are having to suffer and and Springfield so anyway stick around for a little bit more on that with Patrick Gaspar they'll appreciate you to go see this weekend and that will catch you next week.

49:00Alright I've had a Patrick here for we invited Patrick here for two reasons one he is Haitian family and so we're going to talk about that for a bit. The other one I thought this we could role model something here because it was about a month ago that one of these right wing losers wrote a red a hit piece about me and you said Tim has betrayed his principles. I was like I'm interested to see what principle I betrayed so I gave that a little click and so I read in the article and basically the principle was that. Pat Patrick my podcast a couple of months ago on our podcast and you heard it and and he was pissed about that because he was like Tim and Patrick used to fight Patrick is a lefty activist you run the DNC and and I was the RNC exactly and and and they were just you know and they said mean things about each other and there's on this podcast chumming it up and it's so fake and all this I was like no this is what this is growth.

50:16This is not a betrayal. This is what you call grown so you can't be in a grown up. So anyway what like talk let's talk about that it has to be a little weird for you you know you flew in for New York a bunch of former Republicans like how do you think about that like you know being a partisan Democrat and try to and figure out when's the right time to partner. I'm always excited to be in the country of Amy act and then share it around right. I love you Tim but you know my first presidential campaign was 1988 with Jesse Jackson and every four years since I had the habit of coming here to Ohio this is where America happens and it's where you know I just I just spend the last week at the UN General Assembly and it's really important that we don't just have diplomats and heads of state having conversations across differences and borders and divides it's really important for us to do at the grassroots so Tim and I having the opportunity to model that kind of behavior on the podcast and here tonight is essential to me you know Tim my greatest hero in life is Muhammad Ali and Ali said that the man who views the world at 50 in the same way that he did at 20 years old has wasted 30 years of his life.

51:35And you know you're not the only one who's changed in the course of the existential threat that we are facing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue now I've changed as well there are things that I may have said or done. You're listening to my show you're like Tim I've come more points and I thought it's my favorite show you want to cut some more red tape show all work is my favorite show about that you know look there are ways that we've leaned in towards one another I'm an unapologetic progressive that's a bundtily close. That's a bundtily clear but I think this is a moment where we have to extend grace to one another and make it clear that there's more that unites us then divides us in this country at year 250. Well let's just do it a politics we'll talk about the hey stuff at the end you mentioned the UN to further credential you on your lefty progressive socialist street cred. You also advise a guy named Zora mom Donnie a little bit mayor of New York. It's a bit man. I thought it was pretty like BB thought it was pretty strange for BB Netanyahu to come and be in America in New York talking about how Zora is anti-Semitic and should be in jail and all this stuff.

52:46That's not modeling talking across differences I guess I don't think so and I'm just I'm wondering just kind of your general thoughts on that and what you've seen from the mayor. Because for me I frankly I was expecting a little worse to be honest I mean you promised me would be better so I should listen to you but I mean I think he's been really good at dealing with the challenges about threats about anti-Semitism etc but like what are your thoughts on BB and kind of what's the perspective from inside or Zora. I'll start with my friend the mayor first I'm proud to be his volunteer chair of his commission on government efficiency we're trying to demonstrate that progress. You're the no. Very good. We're trying to demonstrate that progressives can govern efficiently as well and deliver for people in their real needs. I think the mayor has been exceedingly thoughtful on this question of anti-Semitism in New York and he's made it abundantly clear that he intends to extend protections to all New Yorkers. Of faith of course communities because that's the first job of any mayor look I'm not surprised that Nanyahu took their cheap shot in the roster at the United Nations.

53:53What are you going to do when you're a corruption your personal corruption has been exposed you're losing a campaign at home the entire world has turned you personally into a pariah and it's not abundantly clear that your friend Donald Trump is going to stay the chorus on this utterly unbearable war that you have dragged him into so you're going to make any kind of distraction that you can. So I wasn't surprised that he went after that Nanyahu you'll recognize of course that the mayor ignored him and focused on meetings with civil society mayors governors and with Donald Trump who visited him and said that. Look you know we're here. It's a little chummy for me just to hear. Actually Tim Tim actually wasn't the mayor and the president of the United States because he is the president this is not like meeting with I don't know Jared Kushner. But this is a meeting with I don't like that one either this was a transparent meeting with the president of the United States where. So I'm on Donny talked about affordable housing and building it in New York and spent a good deal of time talking about Haitian TPS and what the impact of what it looks like to deport TPS holders who are leading the way and providing care in home health agencies and nursing homes and hospitals and who are essential in construction sites in New York and Miami the president heard about on that that's usually important.

55:11All right I guess that's fine we're modeling talking across differences and this is a president who wants to be part of the cool kids club that's true he doesn't like taking out with you guys have a little crush there's no doubt about that. All right let's talk about the Haitian community and and and your background and why you're here. Well there isn't any other place in America that I would be tonight was important to be in solidarity not just with the Haitian community but for those of you in Dayton and Springfield who are showing real solidarity with that community irrespective of how you feel about the issue of TPS and migration there are folks who are working across differences to provide real relief right now the folks who. Have given their best to community and who need that support my family came to the United States during the first wave of meaningful migration from from Haiti was in the late 1960s early 1970s there was a dictator you may have heard of named Papadaca Juvalye who really threatened the professional classes intellectuals in Haiti because they dare to ask for free and fair elections my father was a law lawyer and then a professor.

56:23And he had to leave at gunpoint to go to another country wind it up eventually in New York and the US and I have always worked as a proud Haitian American citizen who's in my diaspora and doing everything that I can to close the bounds between our communities. So you know Papadaca from eight mile is that what from the movie eight mile that's why we know Papadaca now from the history of history books. All right I'm under this one of the guests I can't believe you were eight mile an official sorry but I do you have been at the DNC just want to give a real quick you know a little hope you are a little enat like what do you think the state of play is these two Ohio races in the map. We're I think we're I think we're in great shape it's more likely than not that we're going to win the House of Representatives and if someone if someone had told you six months ago eight months ago that Democrats had a better than even shot a take in the US Senate as well you would have taken that bet right so we're an extraordinary position and here in the governor's race and in the Senate race I think we're going to get over the top it's you know there's a there's a part of my cursing but there's a

57:37shit ton of money especially crypto money it's about to be dropped on our candidates especially on Sharon Brown and I know that you're organizing your door knocking your boots on the ground is going to make the difference that gets them over the top. Vivek's helping us out a little bit just by existing and being Vivek all right we we invited another guest another local who's not able to come but Patrick knows him was a little bit of help and so he did send in a video for everybody and you flew out here so I'll let you to the honors which I'd introduce the guest I'm happy to so this this guest is known globally he's an activist he's a performer and he grew up in Springfield Ohio I became a friend of his during the Obama administration and I was proud that when we reached out and asked him to participate in this John legend said yes right away so here's a message from our friend John and your home boy from Springfield. You can put your clothes back on she's leaving you no time to apologize for the things you do

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