Bottom or Top Bunk?

0:00Hello, I'm Hal Lublin and I'm Mark Gagliardi. Since the dawn of humanity, one issue has gone unsettled with the fate of the world in the balance. We're here to settle once and for all. Plano or top bunk? That's right, don't worry everyone. We got this. I guess we should have a beat song. I guess we should not have a theme song. Yes, we should. No, they shouldn't. They sound good. Yeah, but people are just going to skip past it. You know what? You're right. We got this. Hi, Hal. Good to see you, buddy. Hey, congratulations. This is episode 600. Yeah. I don't want to say something about that. Okay. Number one, it's incredible that we've continued for this long. I think we've missed maybe one or two weeks. Like we have a new episode twice. It's why in all of these years in 11 plus years. That's a huge accomplishment.

1:00That is thanks to you and to Ken Plume. That is no thanks to me. We have to be here to record them for the sake. I do. But if I was in charge of scheduling, this show would have lasted one episode and we would have been like, this is great. This was fun. It would have made it. It would have made it. We would have recorded that we'd be waiting for the first episode to come out. But the other thing is we've done like special stuff. For landmark episodes in the past, which is great. But I think there's something beautiful about the fact that we chose something very finite, two things. And not the end of the world at all. Like nothing huge, nothing flashy. That's ultimately this is about, this is something that we would probably talk about when you were having a drink and I was having a slice of pie after a show. Yeah. Exactly. Like the spirit of the show. It's a spiritual. I think doing episode 600 in the spirit of the show, I think is a great idea. Not only that, you know, when you do a milestone episode like, you know, anything that ends in a double zero like this one. Yeah. When you do a milestone episode like that, it's frequently about looking backwards.

2:03So what we're going to do today, how is we're going to look way backwards? Because I have a feeling that the correct answer, as we do on this show, we determine objectively the subjective questions. If we are going to look, I think the objective answer to top bunk or bottom bunk is different depending on whether you're a kid or a grown-up. So you say it's subjective. The objective answer is subjective. Uh, yeah, which is, I think the case in 590 something episodes of this show, I don't believe it. I will say one group, either adults or children. This is the warning shot that the beginning of the episode. Oh, one of you is going to have to change your opinion. Oh, that is what 600 episodes of the show are about. Then that means who wins? grownups or kids. That's the real battle today, how grown-ups versus kids? The answer might surprise you. I feel like you, am I correct? Mm-hmm. That you believe that all children enjoy the top bunk,

3:03whereas adults enjoy the bottom bunk because their backs are bad and they don't want to climb up and down things to go to the bathroom 500 times in the night. That's not how I would put it. But yes. But I think that as you get older, the novelty and imaginative possibilities that come with a bunk bed, fade behind notions of, I gotta go up a ladder to go to sleep. And I gotta climb down a ladder to get up. Because also the situations where you're going to be using bunk beds as an adult are frequently less desirable than the situations you're gonna use as a kid. But let's, if we may, if I may offer this. Sure. Let's talk about these two different things, the top bunk versus the bottom bunk. Not by looking at top bunk first and viewing pros and cons, bottom bunk pros and cons. I want to approach this in two different ways. I want us to try to think like kids first.

4:05And then I want us to try to think like adults as we go through this. Because I know my opinions of a bunk bed have changed. What do you think? Did you have a bunk bed as a child? Did you and your brother share a bunk bed? I did. I was also curious about this as an only child. What was your relationship to bunk beds as a kid? I slept in a bunk bed for both of my childhood until eventually we took one away and it just had a bed. Wait a minute. That was high school. I had a bunk bed. I had this end up bunk bed. So it looked like it was made out of shipping crates. Wait a minute. You were both beds present? Yes. One was on top of the other even. What? Hold on. You're telling me that you spent your childhood with two beds? Yes. How would, this is delightful news. I didn't know this. No, I didn't know this. Like, was one for Elijah? Got some. Like for the glass of wine on one. Yeah. For Eli Aho to come and sleep over. Why did you have two beds as a kid? I don't remember why my parents made that choice. My father wasn't, if I didn't think my father was asleep right now,

5:08I would call him to ask him. But I definitely had friends over a lot, like friends staying over. Well sure, you have that extra bed. They always had the bunk bed. We could sleep over someone's house and be on the couch or be on the floor and sleeping bag. It's not a guarantee that's, yeah. Like, it's not a guarantee every place you go to sleep over. You don't only go to houses that have bunk beds. No, man. I only go to houses that have guest rooms, ocean view guest rooms. What's your own place? When I was a kid, that's what I want. And I want towel-reserve. And I want to be gone from 11 to 2 so that they can do the clean. Yeah. And that's your excuse for why nobody invited you over. Yeah, that's my excuse for why. Look at that. Who with the lactose intolerance that I didn't know about and the sounds and smells that came with that throughout the course of an overnighter. And you run the top bunk? That was on the top. Yes, I did have a bunk bed. I think until I went to college. I might have had it through high school. No kidding. Did you ever have more than one person over? Do you have like a proper sleepover?

6:09Yes. With more than one other kid over at the house like for a sleepover. Yeah, that used to be what I did for my birthday. So how did you pick which kid got to sleep in your second bed? Oh no, then we all slept down in the family room which had more this end. We had a lot of this end up furniture. What is this end up? What is this end up? This end up is a furniture company that may still exist. They made everything out of wood and it looked like it was made out of shipping crates. Like purposefully made to look like shipping crate furniture. So my bedroom was all this end up. Then our family room was mostly this end up. The TV stand I think was something else. So your whole house looked like a shipping crate. Only those two rooms. There were other types of furniture somewhere else. But those two, I don't know why, I don't know what moment in time that was cool to do for a family room. For kids room, it makes enough sense. I do feel like though there were two kids in your family growing up. And that would be you and your dad Bill.

7:12Because Bill will also be like, well, I should definitely have a room full of pinball machines, right? Like Bill, Bill, for those who don't know, House Father is basically Josh Baskin from Big because you walk into the basement at this house. I've been in this basement and I look around and I'm like, I don't know if I am in Hal Loblins, Father's Homes basement or Dave and Busters. It's one of the two. None of those came with, like they were in the house when we bought it, which is one of my favorite details about it, which is great. That house was like, hey, by the way, the basement of this house is a whole ass Dave and Busters. Yeah. Do you want it? Do you want it? Yes. Yes, yes. So yours was the house to go to. Yes. I don't know how true that is. I definitely liked having people over because I didn't want to have to go anywhere else. Like we were going to my friend. Jessy's house, his mom's house loved her house still there. She still lives there.

8:12We used to go all the way up to the third floor, like the very top floor. It was not like an attic, but you could tell from where the eaves were. They were shaped cut out. There was a room where we would all sleep there. If you have more than one person over, you don't need the bunk bed anymore. You maybe will put somebody on the floor and sleep it back and I forget what the system was for that. But when it was multiple, multiple kids, we would all go down to the family room. And then it was like pile into sleeping bags or whatever. And get to sleep on the regular couch who gets to sleep on the pull out couch. It's really just unfolding down like a futon. It's not like a spring thing out. And then everybody else just finds a spot. Yeah. But you bring a sleeping bag to sleep over. Sure. Yeah. Because you look, you got to claim a little bit of real estate. Even if that real estate is only four and a half feet tall by, I don't know, two feet wide as a kid. Yes. So when I would go visit my grandparents as a kid, this feels like a kid. It feels like the precursor to the bunk bed was the, and this is definitely one where you do not want to be the person on the bottom, which I always was.

9:16Did you use a trundle bed? Sure. Yes. Oh, my grandparents had a trundle bed. And it was basically like back in the old days when, you know, in New York City when they were in the, what was it called? The gangs of New York era. And they were just, you know, like, you came in from Sicily, you moved here, used the dresser. One of the drawers put the baby in that. This feels like the grown up version or the slightly more grown up because I'm still only like seven or eight in the trundle bed. Yeah. Of all the things to make official. Yeah. Right. Let's memorialize this with a bed that has just a person drawer at the bottom. Yeah. I like a, you know what? If that thing was labeled like in an ornate old, timey style because it was like a big wooden thing. If that drawer was labeled person drawer, I've been so excited to jump into that. Is a mortuary just a bunch of trundle beds? It is. It's the very last trundle bed you'll ever be in. Oh, man. I remember when I was a kid sleeping in that trundle bed, it was also where all of my

10:17grandfather's trophies were that he had received for his work as a sheriff's deputy in Memphis. And there was a trophy normally because I was used to trophies that had like a person kick in a soccer ball on top. Sure. This trophy had a cop with his gun drawn and pointed out. And somehow this was aimed directly at the trundle bed. So I would lay down and it looked like a tiny brass version of my grandfather was pointing a gun at me to tell me to go to sleep. Or was about to arrest your bed. Yeah, oh, that's true. Unhand him now, bed. Bed's got a hostage. Tell us what you want, bed. We can talk about this. I want a little plaque next to my drawer pulled. It says person drawer. That's going to take time. Okay. I would take time. It's just a little plaque. Why don't you let my grandson go and I'll call the engraver. Why don't you call the engraver and I'll let your grandson go.

11:20That's not how this works, bed. The trundle family has been in this house since 1971. I know. We were not being disrespected here. Should have gotten this end up. When you were in the bunk bed, yeah, I just was like, this is my grandparents house. We are going to my parents house to my childhood home. We're Mr. Rogers neighborhood modeling over to your house, because I see that. It's right across town. Well, it's Memphis to Knoxville. So it's across state. That's fine. We can get a model. We'll work that up later. Kendall and Sir Tha here and Sir Tha music here, Ken. I don't think he did it. When you were in the bunk bed, am I correct that your brother, your older brother, that he always got the top bunk? Yes. The older brother always gets everything. How? The older brother got the top bunk. Yeah, because when you're a kid, the top bunk is the bunk you want.

12:21So we had wooden bunk beds with the ladder. It was cool. At that point, you're like, I want to climb this thing. This is amazing. Look at this giant piece of furniture. It's like having a jungle gym in your room. Right. And being on the playground and being in the jungle gym on the playground, that was if you could get to the top of the monkey bars, you can't get them out. Or if you could get to the top of whatever structure there was in that playground, that was always the goal. Get to the top of it. Yes. So to get to the top of the bunk beds just feels like it's ingrained in us already that that's a victory. It's also cool. The beds don't go there. You're not supposed to sleep up in the sky like Superman. You're supposed to sleep on the ground like Clark Kent. Exactly. It feels like a special privilege to be like, I'm a sc... Oh, I'm a sky sleep. Oh, what do you sleep? Will you sleep like two, three feet off the ground? I sleep like six feet off the ground. Lose your sleep, land, plebe. Clearly, I'm better than you. Yeah, sleep is high. So I'm just top bunk. I know I've mentioned this on the show before, but one beauty of bunk beds when you're

13:23a kid is that they are never just bunk beds. You know what I mean? Our friends, Rhett and Duncan, down the street from us, when I was really little and we lived in Florida. I remember they had double bunk beds, two sets of bunk beds. It would have been like your version of a bedroom as you got older. Just fill it with bunk beds. You get to pick what you sleep on each night. Sure. For us, those were our pirate ships. We would jump back and forth between the bunk beds and board each other's ships. Yeah, I mean, and it was the most fun. The beds are the most fun thing in the world when you're a kid. They are. They're a lot of fun. I was a top bunk sleeper. That hell was going to be my next question. If you had the choice as a kid, you didn't have to like the parents didn't pick for you. You had your choice nightly, yes? I wasn't like, this feels like a top bunk kind of night. I slept up the top bunk. I also was a sleep walker. That's a, why were you on the top bunk if you were a sleep walker? It's a good question. It one fall was enough for me to decide. I don't need to sleep up there.

14:24That's too high. That might be the origin of, oh, I don't, I don't have to talk about this with my therapist next week. This may be the origin of my fear of heights. Was falling off of that top bunk as a kid? It's possible. Because I definitely would get nervous going up to the top bunk after that. Yeah. And was like, oh, anybody who comes over, whatever age like nine years ago, oh, kids love this top bunk. I'm going to sleep on the bottom and they'll be great. They're going to have it made in the shade. They're going to see, this will be, this will be my key to people liking me. Everybody will want to come over and sleep on the top bunk. Yeah, nobody ever gets to sleep on the top bunk at a friend's house. Sleep on the top bunk. Never. How old were you in this happen? I want to say was between the ages of six and eight. Oh, this was real young. I was young, did not get hurt off of it. Like no broken arm, no anything. But I sure did fall off of it and then realized that you were. I was like, that bar's not going to do anything. I also think my mother probably would have been like, when I just sleep on the bottom.

15:26Yeah. Of course. But also like I had no desire. I wasn't like upset that I couldn't sleep on the top bunk anymore. I felt like, oh, I did that. And I actually kind of dig being on the bottom bunk. Mm-hmm. What did you dig about the bottom bunk? I like, I'm whatever the opposite. I'm a claustrophiliac. I like smaller, tighter spaces. So I like having sort of the roof over me and not having the ceiling light or anything. I also feel I have a little bit more sit-up room there. Our ceilings maybe weren't high enough, at least in that room they weren't, that you might not hit your head, sitting up or getting out of the bed. You know, I think that your opinion of bunk beds generally, the universal you might be determined by whether you had high ceilings or not. Because if you have eight-foot ceilings and a six-foot bunk bed, that's not much space for you to sit up in the morning. You know what I mean? Without getting ceiling popcorn all in your hair. I assume you had popcorn ceilings because it was the 80s.

16:29We did not, thankfully. No, no, we had popcorn ceilings. I'm not full of asbestos every time I hit my head. I had my first kiss in the top bunk of that bed. Really? Yes. You want to guess how old I was? 1668 because you were on the bottom bunk after that. Guess again. Okay. Ernestly guessed, looking to my eyes, think about what you know about me and tell me when you think my first kiss was. I want to say 16 and a half. That's right. Is it real? 100% right. Yeah. I did. No, wait. I might have been 17. Where are you? Because I had my driver's license at the time and I did not have my driver's license at 16. I was 17 years old. There's a whole story about that that I can't believe I've been told you. You did not told me. I cannot tell on this podcast, but I will tell you as soon as we stop recording. Okay. This is exciting. And then can we start recording again and all tell it on the podcast? We'll just get a live reaction of you, of what you thought of it without any of the

17:31details of knowing what it is. Like we'll never, like I, that's, I feel like for someone who shares a ton that that's something like I probably shouldn't share this. This is not a good thing to share probably. Like I'm smart enough to figure that out, even though I have a very loose filter over what I will and will not discuss personally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe sometimes get that filter tightened. I probably should tighten that filter. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna get that filter tightened sometime. I'm going to be a child. It's okay because I'm going to loosen that filter afterwards when I tell everybody about your story of your first kiss at 17. Do you know what took me years to talk about having prostate cancer on any podcast that I've mentioned it on two of them and nobody has cared or mentioned it at all. Nobody cared. Nobody, I don't know, nobody cared or nobody caught it. Yeah. So it's either this is how you learn how deep into your podcast people listen. Yeah. They go like, you, unless you say it at the very top when it's like top or bottom bunk. I have cancer. Let's talk about bunk beds. We're talking about my biopsy and how I was nervous.

18:33One thing I was most nervous about at this point 11 years in was, do I have my appointment? Where's the antibiotic I have to take? Do you confirm? Do you get the results from the doctor that I had to go give two bodily fluids and none of them were spit? Oh. Anyway, that's what set me from the top bunk to the bottom bunk. First kiss in the top bunk, however, because that was like a place to hang out. The top bunk. The top bunk. The top bunk. You go hang out there and chat. Okay. That space like, if you know if you're having a party with a bunch of people over, was the top bunk ever, this is the space to get away from prying eyes. Because you know when you're a teenager and like, you know, slip away and like, you know, but you know, Mark, do you miss, do you forget what we just talked about? Well, when you're, okay, when you're between 17 and college, I did not have parties at my house with a bunch of people. Because I was too good of a kid to do it. My parents weren't there, but smart enough to know that my parents being there for it probably

19:34wasn't cool. So I just had a group of friends that are still my brothers and sisters today that I would spend time with and we would just spend all the time and like rotate whose house we would go to would usually be either me or my friend Laurence House. Right on. That's good. You know what? That feels so much more manageable and like a great way to have a childhood. Yeah. Here's my crew. Like if we need to circle the wagons we can, we all have each other's backs. Did you have an awareness as a child like or teenager when you're going through hard stuff of like, oh, this, none of this will matter. Like none of this will matter in 10 years. No. Even when things were tough and I was really like, that was something I used to get through. I was like, this is not going to matter in 10 years. And I wanted everything to matter all the time. Sure. I would say this. I didn't mean to talk with you. When things were difficult, I would think to myself, none of this will matter in 10 years. And that gave some comfort. But also like, you can't help feeling what you feel. And if you try to just deny your feeling and it's going to come back worse later on.

20:36Yeah. But that was something I used to try to have perspective on things. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. Would it see the tough thing for me with that would be if I told myself that the sad times won't matter in 10 years. Then the flip side of that is the great times won't matter in 10 years. You know what I mean? Like, it feels like then will anything matter in 10 years. And I want the things in my life to matter. I mean, the answer is no. Generally, but like I have great memories of, I have moments in time that are really treasured to me that mean a lot that I can revisit. They don't have bearing on my life now. Like they don't make my life now better. They add to the rich tapestry of who we are. But just as like the, you're a heartbreak you experience in high school isn't something that you need to carry with you. Like if your greatest moment is from when you were 18, then you haven't been focusing on the moments you have right in front of you. You're not in the moment, right? Yeah. So anyway, I fell off the top bunk and I had just there several years apart.

21:38How you fell off the top bunk and landed on top of this science that you dropped. I think it's an adult now if I see two, but I kind of do want to go up to the top bunk because I feel like I'm conquering a fear. If you slept on a top bunk, now would you be apprehensive to do so? No, because I don't sleepwalk anymore. Great. Which is good because you and I've shared a hotel room before and that would have been jaw ring. Yeah, you would have seen me walking around or moving or two. Yeah, that's that's that's that's walking around and insulting Guy Fieri. How is he doing this in his sleep? The continuation. That's all of his beard hairs are all over the chili now. How? How? You've walked out. How that's a freeway. He's sneezing on the mashed potatoes. How? I don't know how you're froggering this freeway right now, but nothing. Boy, they're not even slowing down. Go, how? Go. Why is he in an eyehop? He's walking toward eyehop.

22:38I guess that was what it was. Did you know when you would sleepwalk? Do you remember what you were dreaming when you fell? No. I remember like maybe three or four dreams from my entire life. Yeah, I'm not a dream remember. I wish I did. Yeah. Those are again, those are just like, there's just brief movies that disappear. They're the snapchats of the mind. I worry that when something disappears from my memory, it's gone forever. It's why I keep all the paper of Femre I get. That's why I don't throw away photos. And maybe it's an ADHD thing of my brain. If it's gone from my brain, it's like, I don't trust my memory as much as I should. Yeah. I mean, I can memorize lines. I just, I want to trust. Let trust me verify. The verify is to have the photos and things. Right. Are you afraid that when you learn lines that you're pushing something else out, that you're not getting back? Yeah. If I put these hard drives full. My hard drives full, man. I'm afraid somebody's birthday for this. I got three lines left to learn in the play that goes wrong.

23:41Sorry, Antalya, I'm going to forget your birthday this year. I feel like a real jerk. It's fun. So the top bunk. Let's get back to bunk, bet. Top bunk. Yes. As a kid, top bunk is the victory bunk. Yes. Big deal. Big deal. Big deal, top bunk. So let's now jump to adulthood. Oh no, we're going to not, we're going to have a little interstitial in the moment in the middle here. Okay. And we're going to go to college. I really, this isn't technically bunk beds because there's not one underneath. But should you wind up in the situation where you've got the two twin beds in a dorm room and the possibility of stacking them as bunk beds or the possibility of having one of them up high, one of them down low and then storage underneath or might I offer the best version is your private bedroom around college time, maybe even early 20s.

24:41But for me and college, it was all about lofting that bed just to get yourself a little more real estate, you know what I mean? Because the room's not a big. That's not a bug in the apartment. You have no choice. You're just a lofted bed. You're just a lofted bed. Yeah. How high is the bed going? I lofted beds, I think are neat. They're great idea for college. Jordan's are small spaces. If you're a studio apartment and things like that, very clever way to use the space. It's not a bunk bed. I would not want a bunk bed with any of my college roommates because one of them is still super farty. One of them is another one of my brothers. No, not super farty, but like he was always very messy. So I'd like our beds being in separate places was good. And then if you have a roommate that drinks or you're on different drinking schedules, you need to sleep. Like I don't need somebody like a little bit of distance goes a long way. Mm hmm. Yeah, a little bit of distance between the two beds or from the puke to the bucket on the floor that has to go in the two beds. If you have the drinker in the dorm room, you're on the bottom bunk, man. Don't be the top bunk guy and be the drinker in the dorm. I think my freshman year was the only time I had a roommate who puked.

25:45And he had a, he had his own little trash candy puked in there. Wasn't that big a deal? We had a sweet mates. My freshman year of college, I had a roommate, Samir and then there were two sweet mates. We shared a bathroom and our sweet mates, uh, if I tell this story on this show, I don't know. We've done 600 episodes. We've done a lot now and he became notorious in our little sweet because one of them would, uh, you know, your freshman year, he'd still had a teddy bear with him. Sure. You're just coming from home, but at one point one night, he didn't sleep walk. He sleep talked and, uh, sitting in the top bunk, he apparently while his roommate was down working, set up, bolt up right, held out his teddy bear in front of him and completely a sleep said, I'm a stop for you. This chicken and then lay right back down to this day. He knows who he was offering the chicken to or what was happening, but that was a funny thing that happened on a top bunk in my life. Hell. Great comedy of the top bunk. As an adult, do you now no longer want to be in a top bunk?

26:45I feel like you would still want to be in a top bunk. I think this is where the subjective and the objective choice for me, veer, subjectively a top bunk sounds super fun. Okay. Because there are fun versions of the top bunk. You know what I mean? There's the top bunk on the, uh, if you're on a, like, a overnight train, love that. You get the train bunk. You know, I've been in a, like, a capsule hotel before, you know, capsule hotels where it's basically just like a bed and a little slidey thing in front of your, and I've been on the second level of that before. And I very much enjoy it subjectively. I think objectively as a grown man in my forties, not having to go up and down a ladder, bottom bunk sounds great. And the situations where I would find myself in a bunk situation, you know, not me personally necessarily, but an adult would find themselves in a bunk situation, your laborer in a big barracks situation or a soldier in a big barracks situation.

27:46Or the one I think of when I think of adults in bunk beds is a prison. Okay. You know what I mean? So do you think in prison, they're like, which one do you think is the commodity, the top bunk or the bottom bunk? It feels like the top bunk is usually, I'm thinking in movies, which is not actual life. Yeah. I feel like the top bunk is where people, where they tell you to go, no, they tell you to go like, no, bottom bunk's mine. You have to climb, you have to jump up because there's no ladder. Oh, you have to jump up there. I think, I think. Yeah. I don't remember. I mean, my look, if I was on, I feel like yeah, in prison, it would be like the top bunk would be the one you don't want because if you're cellmate, you know, you, I picture that image in a movie where like the dudes in his bunk in the jail and that hand comes up over the side, grabs him and then yanks him down to the ground and has to tell him some real important real fast. Yes. Like you just pulled me off my bunk to tell me this better to be on the ground floor for that. I mean, look, you worry about safety more than imagination as you get older. So being on the closer to the ground is the safer option.

28:46It's the more pragmatic option. It is frequently now the option that has a double wide bed, either a full or a queen while the top bunk is still a twin. Have you seen this? I've seen those, yeah. Yeah. Because you don't want to do it the other way. You don't want to put a queen bed over a twin bed. No, that's nonsensical. Yeah. So it seems to me as an adult, all the pros lean toward the bottom bunk and as a kid, all the pros lean toward the top bunk. But is it because as a kid, you don't know any better and you just think, this is great. I'm going to be up high and it's the novelty of it. I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah. So who wins? I think you said there is an objective answer. You've said it a couple of times and that's what we do here. We find the objective answer. I never want to look. This is like aisle versus window where you want to be the dreamer. But you can dream from the aisle seat and you can have an imagination kid in the bottom. You're not betray the kid at you. You didn't get to sleep on the top then either. You know what?

29:47You're the person who had the top bunk. The person who had the top bunk in my childhood bedroom went to business school and the person who had the bottom bunk went to theater school. That's right. You sure did. And I sat on the top and bottom bunk so I have a business degree and I'm an athlete. See? See what happens when you get in that top bunk? Yeah. You could be managing a hedge fund right now, Mark. That's not having a 40 pool. Yeah. That sounds so cool. The infinity pool sounds cool. I want it to be from playing a superhero in a movie. Not from managing a hedge fund. Yeah. Look, people of the world, if you're saying you've been having the top bunk is all about the imagination what you can turn it into. Why are you burning through all your imagination when you can store it up along with a lot with a bunch of insecurity and anger and then just become a performer. Yeah. For Sue a life in the arts, we're waiting for you. So get in the bottom bunk. It's way better down there.

30:47It's way better from having done both. Even I mean, just I love that bottom bunk, especially like for the TV, if you have a TV. Oh, yeah. You can't see the TV from the top bunk as well. You can't see the TV from the top. You got a pier under like it's the 1920s and you're outside of the fence that Ebets field trying to pier through a hole in the wall and watch the ball game. No, that's for the birds as his heights. It's a bottom bunk asked and answered. I'm just laughing at heights is for the birds. It's just for the bird. How wrong? Not wrong, man. Make it. Put it with your gorilla shirt. My gorilla shirt. Yeah. Got two gorilla shirts in that shop. Oh, my gosh. I love you though. I'm terribly sorry. Everybody go to house market. What's it called? How mark? I don't remember. Nobody goes there. I did sell a shirt to Dietrich Bader once, but that's a nice. Yeah. You buy most of your shirts that you put on there. I most of it is. I have not sold the amount I've sold to other people is equal to the number I bought for myself. Absolutely. But you know what? Look, you were a reader before you were a writer. These shirts obviously are good and you like them because you are your first customer.

31:52I made them for me. Not only are you the T-shirt club president. You're also a client. Yes. I made them for me if somebody else likes them. Great. I feel like that could be said about the best art and television and movies. Yeah. Look, I made it for me if someone else likes it great. That's the best stuff for sure. Yeah. Mark, who suggested this topic? This topic was suggested by my wife Annie. She's two for two for two recently. I promise it's not nepotism in the way we select the topics. Not at all. She just knows this stuff that interests me better than most. And she understands the show. Yeah. Yes, she does. Those two things together worked very well. Thank you, Annie. Yes. Thank you, Annie Toe for this topic. This topic is closed, but there are many more topics to discuss. So please reach out to us via email that we got this podcast at gmail.com or find us on social media. We got this podcast, except for Instagram where we are at we got this show. You can subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're going live there pretty much every other week.

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