Challenging Christian Dogma: Are All UFOs Evil Demonic Deceptions

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2:05I'm praying in Jesus' name. I'm singing Psalms and Helms. I'm delighting myself in Him and just in awe of His creation. And I say, Father, if the angels are out there and are traveling back and forth from heaven to earth, like it says in the book of Daniel. Can I see one? Will you let me see one? Please, you know, just out there doing that and so my Heavenly Father who loves me, if I ask Him for a sighting in angel, He might send you a demon. Careful it might be. No, there was no fear in that. I was just fully confident that my prayers are routed through Him and from a place of childlike awe and wonder and a place of love. And I started seeing so much, so much, so much stuff blowing my mind every day. I couldn't wait. I was addicted to it.

3:05And then researching it in the scriptures, reading about it in books, and then taking other people with me. So we started seeing stuff. Yeah. And it was so validating that it wasn't something that only I can see. People said that and they still say that to me. And I get where they're coming from. That only you can see it. Yeah. That only you can see it. Derek, maybe it's just something for you. It's like, nah, I'm not that special. If you want to, you can. That's the bottom line. Yeah. I don't want to convince you. I don't want to trick you and pull you out there and have you see it. If you want to, you can. And that's the energy we're working with for the people who want to go out and experience heaven. That is interacting with earth and always has been what that does for your spirit is phenomenal. But yeah, I believe everybody can see it. Before we jump in, if you like our work and you'd like to support, please head on over and check out our Patreon and consider becoming a partner.

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5:09Let's go back to the beginning for me. Because I've been researching and studying this phenomenon for a long time. And I got into it as a Christian. And the first stuff that I was introduced to was all of the Christian uphologists. L.A. Marzouli, Guy Malone, Tom Horn. There were so many people and across the board, they all taught and believed that UFOs were demonic. And it wasn't until I started watching some of their conferences. And sometimes they would go to conferences with other people. Maybe like a doctor Michael Heiser was share the stage with David Willcock or something like that. And it would introduce other people and their work.

6:09And they would share things that caught my attention. And I felt like from the people outside of the Christian community. I felt like they weren't biased. Just because like hands down for the most part of the Christian folks said that, you know, these were demons. And this is the attribute they share that looked like demons and they'll give you scriptures and and stuff. So it was always like this evil alien agenda thing. Did any of these Christian people have footage that they would show and like, like do we have examples of what they saw that they would say is demonic or. Now it was mostly like theological. Okay. Like they were just into the subject. It wasn't most of them weren't experiences. Okay. So that's a huge difference. So I was sort of looking into some of these other names and found the work of David Willcock early on. And one of the biggest names of which one named out this person because a lot of names get overlooked.

7:09And for me being a Christian, somebody who did open it up for this broader conversation for me, who didn't say that they were demons. And he related them back to the Bible and believed that they were angelic. And so when I found his work eventually, but mind you, he wasn't speaking at the Christian conventions. Yeah. He had to go to the secular ones, right. So his name was Patrick Cook. And Patrick Cook is no longer with us. He's been deceased for a few years. But he had a website called Bible UFO.com. And this website was just jam packed of his personal notes. So that's because I was listening to different languages in the morning. Phenomena in the scripture that was aerial phenomena that were likened to a modern day UFO.

8:09And there was so many obscure. Versus and there was languages that was used that I would say now has become a little bit more common in uology. such as flying fiery chariots, the different discs that the Bible would talk about, the flying swords in the sky. You would also go into ancient UFO sightings, some of it like going back to antiquity, all of the early writings and had this timeline. So you can like just kind of go back to all of these UFO sightings. And so this was like in the late 2000s that I found the work of Patrick Cook. If you dig on the internet, you can find some old interviews and stuff. But man, this guy was really awesome. I actually opened my book, Spirit Room, with a quote by him, because he wasn't just into UFOs and the extraterrestrial, but he was into the paranormal

9:09and the metaphysical within the Bible. So I would say like a lot of stories that again are like overlooked. He kind of held a magnifying glass up to him and said, you know, what if this is fairies? What if this is a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot or something and he would have these biblical scenarios that would help you to look at the scriptures in a different light. So his work really meant a lot to me. And then getting into the other people outside of Christianity kind of opened me up to asking questions and not being so afraid to ask the questions about UFOs in the Bible and moving me to want to eventually see one for myself and kind of being outside under the nice sky in prayer, asking God to show me one and being out there long enough as many days as I would do it just because of the nature of my job,

10:09had me on the road at super early hours in the morning. I would clock in at like 2 a.m. and load my truck and try to get on the road and try to find a field or something where I can hurry up and get out by like 4 a.m. 5 a.m. and just being a field or something and stargaze and be out there in prayer. And again, being out there with enough time and asking with a pure heart, I started seeing stuff and started blowing my mind. And I wanted to share it with people. And I started telling friends and most of them would just kind of blow it off. Most of them would say, you know, that's just satellites. They would, some would even say that it was demons. You need to be careful there, those kind of things. And then I started telling you. So what did you think about my infatuation with UFOs and climbing to see these things in the sky?

11:12Well, for me, when I hear UFO, I think of what we saw in the 90s, a little metal-rounded ship that was made out of nuts and bolts and metal and flew through the sky carrying little green men. Like, when I hear UFO, that's still the first thing that comes to my mind. So seeing things that I would call shooting stars or, you know, now maybe I would call them light beings, I wouldn't have normally called that a UFO. So it was a little bit of a reach for me to finally wrap my mind around that possibly being a UFO, which is just unidentified flying object, right? Maybe it is a piece of rock herdling through space. Maybe it is a ship made of metal. And just the terminology and all of that was hard for me at first. And when I was growing up, we had a camphouse out North Alabama in the middle of nowhere. You could literally stand in the front yard and see the Milky Way, even if the moon was out, like pristine, beautiful skies.

12:13And so me and my sister and my cousins or whoever friends would come with me, we would drag a big mattress out on the front lawn because we had, for some reason, this old mattress that just stayed propped on the porch and we would drag it out there and bring a bunch of blankets and just go out and listen to the owls and watch the shooting stars because you could see so many. And what my dad would tell us were satellites, you know, those slow moving, looks like a star in the sky, but it just moves really slow. And so, I mean, in my mind, these things were just meteors coming through the atmosphere and catching on fire or satellites that humans put into outer space because that's what I've been taught. And that's what I grew up knowing until you look a little closer eventually and maybe start to ponder that it could be something other than, you know, a physical scientific explanation.

13:13I remember going out to eat. I think we were at the Wapahouse and I remember telling you, because I was like nervous to tell you, I was like, Aaron, I've been praying under the skies and these things have been showing themselves to me. And I kind of like had to get up to nerve to tell you to see if you were gonna think that was crazy or something. I don't know why, but I don't know. Because I guess I thought I was crazy. And so, I remember telling you, and then I remember going home and saying, you know, I wanna try to show you, I wanna take you out into the backyard and let me do what I do, let me pray. Let me lift my hands to the heavens and start praying and just see if one shows up. And I remember doing that and we saw a couple of the, just the quick flashes. That's all we saw was the flash. And I know a lot of people who have spent time under the stars attest to just kind of looking up at the sky and something blinking at you just to get your attention, sometimes only once. And we saw some of those.

14:14And you were like, oh, I saw one. So it kind of validated me a little bit, even though it wasn't like a grandiose experience, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting like, I don't know. So we've just, we've seen over the years now some unexplainable things that would, there's just no way you can explain it away with science. It's almost like it had to be some sort of communication or a relationship that caused it. Yeah. So after your, you're like, you know, this was my field, you know, and this is what I did. And this is my podcast and I tell stories and interview people about this stuff, you know? And it wasn't until like after your awakening in what, 2023, was it that I feel like you became interested in this stuff. And so we would just spend a lot of time out in nature, a lot of time together.

15:16And then now you were like, you're always interested in looking at the stars and stuff, but you weren't interested in like, I'm gonna just try to see a UFO or something or an angel and let's try to get it to, let's try to talk to an angel, you know, kind of thing. And I remember like our first, like, siding together, like really big one. Yeah. Where we were just laying in the backyard. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was super, super interesting. Just laying there. Absolutely full of gratitude for the moment and the cold weather it was cold outside. We just asked really politely if we could see our helpers. I think that's how we pretty much always word it is. If our angelic helpers are out there, we'd like to say hello if you want to show up and say hello to us. And so you pointed out a certain star in the Orion constellation and said, which one was it? Regal. Regal. Like, can you please show up around regal?

16:17And so we're like focusing our intention and our gratitude looking at regal in the sky. And these two lights come out of Orion's belt area and travel down together to regal. And then they just like phased out. But it wasn't fast like a shooting star but it wasn't slow like a satellite. I don't really know how to describe it just that they powered up really bright, traveled down and then powered it back down. Yeah. And so I was so expectant to see something. It didn't really surprise me, but that's my favorite sighting looking back because it was just so specific and so personal and intimate. And we got to share it together too because I feel like if I had been by myself and saw it like you had before, you kind of question like, did I really see that? Like did I make it more than it really was? But no, like it was absolutely magical

17:18and you were there to see it too. So that was cool. Yeah, because we were laying down and like, we were talking about stories and past experiences and stuff and I was recounting one of my first big experiences which was with Orion's belt. And so I was at a rest stop in Milton, Milton, Florida. And I got there before anybody was there. It was actually like by this gas station a little rest stop there queen, but it's overlooking the water. Yeah. And there's these picnic tables set up and stuff. So I would stop there when I could and wanted to get there quick as I could, get out and stargaze and pray. And I remember just looking at the stars and I was singing this song. I remember me and Anthony Cummins wrote this song, Awesome God. And I just started singing it and singing it to the Lord and just kind of stargaze in. Then I started naming all the constellations that I knew and all the stars that I knew and the planets that I knew

18:20as I'm like trying to learn, you know, astronomy and the placement of the stars and all that. So I'm just looking at each one and there's that one. And there's this, there's that. And then there's Orion and look up at Orion and the three stars on Orion's belt are shining really bright. Then I looked to the side a little bit and I said, no, there's Orion. And then as soon as I was like, hold on. That's that wasn't Orion. And I look back and as soon as it came to my mind that that's not Orion because it's right next to it. It was like almost parallel with it. The two stars were posed with regal or regal the star. There was two more just position in space, almost like pretending to be Orion's belt. And as soon as they say, hey, that's not Orion. That's an interesting, they lit up brighter and then did that little fizzle fly towards Orion's belt. And I was telling you about that story. And I've told you about that story before, but we're in the backyard just like,

19:21like when you talk about it, you bring it to memory and you have the ability to recreate the experience or there's a doorway that you can get back to a place. And so as we're building expectation because there's real vivid for me and it's a beautiful experience. And then we essentially recreate something just like it. It was so awesome that experience. Yeah, it's always magical to see anything. The flashes you were talking about or the slow moving ones or the fast moving ones. But that just felt really intimate and personal. And it's kind of one of those goalpost moments in your life where you can always look back and say, like if you doubt yourself or you doubt your experiences, never will I ever doubt that one, that that was in Angelic Helper that showed up in that way for us. And it just sparked just great joy and wonder and gratitude.

20:26Yeah, it always did for me. Like when I started, it was like validation for me. For other people, it's kind of weird because the ancient alien stuff started getting popular around the time that I started having experiences. And so I would ask other Christian friends, I would try to roll it off with people. Like what do you think about aliens or what do you think about? They could be angels. And a lot of them, it would almost damage their faith or whatever because they were like, well, if God's not real and aliens are real, it's like, maybe it's not like that. Maybe both could be true at the same time. But there was a lot of doubt from people. But for me, it made the Bible and it made heaven more real. And it made it a lot closer to us than just this place that when you die, you fade and fizzle off to another world, another dimension that we call heaven versus heaven is literally somewhere outside of the firmament

21:31or beyond the firmament. Or within the firmament, don't crucify me, a flat earther or within the firmament. Either or, these are just hypotheticals, right? But it's real and it exists in our atmosphere and beyond. I think one reason it's so hard for people, especially Christians to wrap their mind around it, is everything is linear. Like our brains in the way that we're taught to retain knowledge, especially about history and creation is linear. Like this happened first, then this, then this, then this. But time really doesn't exist. Like we have invented time so that we can meet up at the coffee shop at the same moment. But really, it's more rounded, it's more spherical because God is omniscient and omnipresent. So it's like, it's kind of all happening at the same time. It's just that our brains can't wrap around how big it is and how vast time is

22:34and what's really happening. So like for you to say, like, you know, Adam and Eve were created, then they were kicked out of the garden, then this happened, well, aliens aren't in the Bible, if you are looking for the word alien, you know what I mean? Maybe you should look at other words, but that's a whole nother story. But I think that people just get used to what they've been taught and anything that looks different, like that's not possible. It's not possible because this is the timeline and it's not in the timeline that I've learned. So I don't know, some people just get very set in their ways and then, and then me, like I've always really loved science and so of course I've learned about the stars and the constellations and the satellites and the space program. And, but they have all of these perfectly wrapped explanations for literally everything. And you have to use your imagination a little bit, which that word too does not mean make believe necessarily.

23:35But you have to use your imagination that there are things that they can't explain. So don't just apply these textbook explanations to everything. Maybe you should, like you said, look at it and ask questions. Don't just take someone's advice that it's a demon, you know, you have the Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit within you, you look at and ask it who it is and who it serves and what it's here for. And maybe you'll get some answers of your own without having to, you know, just shut everything out immediately. Yeah, you gotta be open to it at first. If not the analytical mind and through training, like fear, you'll shut the experience down and you'll shut it off. So, I mean, I ask myself all those questions, you know, and not just the B. Bullhead that are saying, well, because I want them to be angelic, that they're angels, right? You know, I look at all of the evidence and still,

24:36you know, with the hypothetical, what if they are demons? What if they're going to abduct me? You know, what if one of them comes too close and I never come back? Like as a kid, I was terrified of monsters and monster movies that I watched, most of us were, right? But I was also afraid of aliens because those were like the monster movies that at the beginning of some of them firing a sky said based on a true story. Yeah. There was real monsters that, you know, on the spaceship that could come and get you and beat you up and put stuff in you and, you know, never bring you home. And so that fear was like embedded in me. And so like what if, I don't want that to happen, you know, and people would say stuff like, you know, you better be careful what you ask for because you may be inviting demons kind of thing. And I say, you know, I don't want to write it off.

25:36I'm pretty confident because all of my experiences from that time until today have been positive and have been beautiful and have been parted supernatural awe and wonder, compassion, creativity after seeing, you know, something supernatural or unexplained. And that's the energy that I go off of. But in the scripture, there was something confident for me that I read. It just gave me confidence where was when Christ was talking about that if you ask your heavenly father for a fish, he's not going to throw you a serpent. Yeah. If you ask your father who loves you for bread, he's not going to give you a stone. Yeah. So for me, the Bible is universal principles that you can apply to every aspect of your life.

26:39So here I am in the scenario literally going out as a child of God with child like awe and wonder, stargazing and just asking God, I'm praying in Jesus name. I'm singing Psalms and hymns. I'm delighting myself in him and just in awe of his creation. And I say, Father, if the angels are out there in a traveling back and forth from heaven to earth, like it says in the book of Daniel, can I see one? Will you let me see one? Please, you know, just out there doing that. And so my heavenly father who loves me, if I ask him for a sighting and angel, he might send you a demon. Careful, it might be. No, there was like, there was no fear in that. I was just fully confident that like my prayers are routed through him and from a place of child like awe and wonder

27:42in a place of love. So, and I just started seeing so much, so much, so much, stuff blowing my mind every day. I couldn't wait. I was addicted to it, you know, and then researching it in the scriptures and reading about it in books and then taking other people with me. So that's, I want to encourage people, you know, to do that for themselves because you have to see and know for yourself. So, and that was a big thing for me of going out and having, you know, my hours and hours under the stars, but then I wanted to start taking people. And it would differ depending on the group. That was interesting. If there was somebody who was like, like didn't want to be there or they were doubting or just talking crap or whatever, like it really messed up the harmony of like, posturing yourself and trying to get the group to just like, all right, everybody, let's just focus. So let's all ask God, and maybe this person doesn't believe or something. But, but eventually we would take people out and we'd start seeing, seeing stuff. Yeah.

28:42And that was, it was so validating that it wasn't, you know, something that only I can see. Because people said that and they still say that to me. And I get where they're coming from. That only you can see it. Yeah, that only you can see it, Derek. Maybe it's just something for you. It's like, nah, I'm not that special. Like, if you want to, you can. That's the bottom line. Yeah. I don't want to convince you. I don't want to trick you and pull you out there and have you see it. If you want to, you can. And that's the energy we're working with with the people who want to go out and experience heaven. That is interacting with earth and always has been. What that does for your spirit is phenomenal. But yeah, I believe everybody can see it. I get where they're coming from and some sightings are just for you. At this point, we lose track of sightings and supernatural experiences, right? But sharing them builds your faith. And I would say, like, I haven't been told not to. Yeah. I haven't been told not to.

29:43I think, too, sometimes people may be get discouraged because it does take discipline. It's kind of like when you first learn to meditate and you're trying not to have any thoughts in your head and all these thoughts keep invading. But that's the money. We're worried about the laundry and what you're going to cook tomorrow. And I don't know what men think about. But women probably worry about all that housework that needs to be done. So to be able to quiet your mind and stay in that place of gratitude and love takes discipline. And also sometimes it's really cold out at night. I mean, one of the groups we took out, I think it was 20 degrees outside. It was really cold. And so people were really uncomfortable. Yeah. The groups started falling off one by one. Going into my car. Yeah, it gets hard to push past the discomfort and to stay disciplined and to stay focused on what you're there to do, which is to communicate with angels. And so just because you go out and ask and you don't see anything, don't give up. Like it's truly a practice kind of like meditation.

30:45It takes patience, it takes discipline, quieting your mind, staying in a place of love. Because I don't think they show up for everybody. I think that they have a little peek into your heart and they know your intentions. And that if it's a gotcha moment, if you want to catch them on camera, you can catch them on camera. I'm not saying you can. But I think that they get a little peek of that empathic ability into what your intentions really are. So to try to truly arrive out there with an expectant hope and true loving fellowship intentions instead of, you know, if it's in your mind like you're maybe I can get one on camera maybe I can get rich. Like you've got to learn to push past all those crazy intrusive thoughts and just stay in that place of gratitude. Because I feel like that's when we always see them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's weird because it's a place in between trying and not trying.

31:50You know, it's just the child like wonder. Like yeah, you want to, it's almost like a, don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing or vice versa. And you get out there, but it's just like, child like on wonder if we can find that nerve and tap into it, right? That's stream. And it shows up. I remember even with Naveia outside in our backyard just a couple months ago, like we really want her to see, you know, she's open to see, but then there's like this, which we've experienced with other people before. Well, maybe it's not for me and maybe I don't get to see and they really want to, you know, and it's not happening. So I was like, okay, what can I do? What can I do as a father? What can I do as a leader, you know, at our retreats and stuff, this kind of thing? And it's like, move, move into the child like on wonder. For me, it's dancing and acting silly and singing songs and songs about UFOs or songs about faith and fun, kind of stuff. And what you start doing at, it generates a certain energy that they begin to peer into.

32:54The scripture talks about things that, that things and people in energy, that the angels do peer into. And it actually does draw them in where they want to come down and join your song and join with you. And they want to raise the level of faith. They don't want to do the work for you. It's not about them doing the work for you. And it's like, it's about the process of restoring that child like on wonder and also fighting for it and holding onto it and what you're willing to do to keep it because there's so many things out there that can't. And there's jealousy because they can't go out under the night sky and do something like that. They need you to do it. And their intentions aren't pure. So, you know, but for us, it's like, I think it's worth it to kind of put our necks out there and be laughed at or labeled crazy or whatever the case may be for the ones who get it when they really get it.

33:55Yeah, because you don't want these people to think they're crazy or alone just because they haven't shared the experience with someone, it's the same experience that we're having in, it sounds crazy until you experience it yourself. Yeah. And even like, I think sometimes they don't show up because they might be in danger, you know? Like in the Bible, people were always trying to capture angels and trick them. And so sometimes when I'm out there and I'm praying and wanting to see one and there's planes everywhere that show up. Like I get worried for them and I'm like, you know, please don't, don't show up if you're just gonna put you in danger. That's okay, like we don't have to have a sighting. We still love you. But if you can safely, like we would love to communicate. But that's a weird concept for people to wrap their minds around, you know, because I, that was one of my fears after seeing some old footage, I believe it was from NASA or something, but it was them shooting like plasma beams

34:56up at some type of orb craft that was like coming closer to the earth and we get closer and closer and closer. And then all of a sudden there was a blink from the atmosphere and a plasma beam or something shooting up towards the craft, whatever it was. And it barely misses it. And then the craft turns around and leaves. So, you know, for me going out and praying and asking them to show up or summoning UFOs, whatever you want to call it, like it was always a fear of like a what if, like wouldn't it suck to go out there? Pray conjure one up, it shows up for you just to say hello and all of a sudden, wow, we get shot out of the sky by the military. The hard thing for people to wrap their minds around is like how can, you know, the military shoot down a angel of God or whatever the case is. So for them, like there's a disconnect there

35:56that's something that you can't fathom that possibly, you know, these beings that are angelic or of a higher nature or from somewhere else, another realm be attacked or captured or shot down, you know? I think it has something to do with our conditioning too because they believe that they are here in physical form. If they believe the scriptures, they look at lot. The angels showed up to him, to his household and all these heathens in the town were trying to, you know, great, the angels. And so they do believe that they show up in physical form. Obviously, and that people can commit crimes on them and harm to them. And Jacob wrestled with the angel. I mean, they are physical beings, but we've seen them depicted as men too many times as looking like us in a human form. And to imagine them as a light being is different.

36:59I think that's one thing that shifted for me after my awakening experience is that Jesus came to me in a moment of desperation and weakness, but he didn't look like a man. He looked like a light being, but I knew immediately who it was. It was this intimate relationship I had with him, but he didn't look like a human. He looked like a light. And so to imagine these humanoid beings that we've been told are angels in another form can be difficult. So it's hard to break down that conditioning and everything that we've learned through Sunday school, it goes deep. And so you have to undo some of that programming to be able to see them as light beings. But if people could attack them in the Old Testament, then why couldn't they attack them today? If they show up in a human form or a light being form,

38:00I mean, the government has technology now to shoot laser beams into the atmosphere. So I wouldn't put it past them, the evil people in control to try to take out an angel because angels aren't gonna vibe with the evil stuff that's going on in the world today. They're just not. Yeah, it was a big one for me because I always saw them and thought of them as etheric light beings, beautiful angelic beings. And it wasn't until recently after the passing of Jordan Maxwell, to really understand what he was trying to teach us. Because I would try to get him to share grandiose stories that we see like light beings, because they're beautiful, you know, UFO encounters. But he would always relate it back to angels, but he would speak about them as humans who were 500 years old, 6,000 years old, who run the world and like here with us. So along the lines, he's talking about maybe hybrid beings

39:02or something like that. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, not those, the angelic ones, Jordan, that are here. But it just went in one ear and out the other for me, but it wasn't until after he passed and stuff until I really kind of grabbed what he was trying to share with us on many Zoom calls and many podcasts and stuff and lectures that he's done over the years. And so here's the hard part, here's the tricky part for everybody is that it's not just one thing. Yeah. It's so easy just to, you know, say that, okay, well, if it's an angel, the angel can just blink and they're faster than the speed of light and they can outrun and they can dissipate and pop into another realm and you can't catch them or shoot them and they know all things kind of thing. But like there's many different types of angels. The scriptures will let you know that. There's different rankings. Some of them are down here with us disguising themselves as humans.

40:03So it complicates it and it makes the conversation a lot bigger and a lot more interesting. But we like to feel like we have our heads wrapped around everything and we know it all and we can form it all up into a perfect theology and make it fit our theology and put it in a box. And this phenomenon, I think people are finding out, you can't do that at all. And I wanna make sure I'm not doing that as well as far as evil angels, right? Because the scripture literally says that there are evil angels that are sent out amongst you, right? So, you know, there's all types of beings. And, you know, to go out there with the heart posture of what are the tracks, which is again, childlike, awe and wonder without, you know, you can't enter the kingdom of heaven as a child. You won't be able to see it unless you become like a little child in that's releasing the worry, releasing the doubt,

41:04releasing the fear and just in simple faith and trust. And so if you do go out, whatever the being is, I think if you have that heart posture and you try to live a lifestyle, maybe this is too much to ask to, keeping your hands clean and your heart pure. I think that you begin to vibrate at the levels and layers that they vibrate on. And you begin to see, like attracts like and you begin to see things and they allow you to see them. They have to know there's certain ones that know all things about you. The scripture would refer to a certain class of angels as watchers. They watch you and they keep tabs on you and they know about you and possibly know what you're thinking. I would say that they have to because in so many instances, even with synchronicity and with saying a gentle prayer

42:09under our breath that's something, supposedly that thousands of miles away or however far the stars are or wherever we see those things, that we just simply ask and as soon as you ask, they show up or a synchronicity or a thought is communicated to you telepathically. So the conversation begins to be a lot more complicated but in a lot more nuance, but a lot more, I'll say fun. And you know, I just encourage people with that. Yeah, it's fun when you start looking deeper. And like you said, not putting it in a box that it has to be this grandiose light being or this humanoid who is extremely large with beautiful feathered wings. But to imagine outside of that box, even like the early mystics did, Kareen Haline, some of her books she believe that the angelic spirits in the heavens have anchors here on earth

43:10and that some of those anchors are flowers. And the qualities of the flowers have to do with the qualities of the angelic who are in charge of those flowers. So it's almost like a physical manifestation here of the light being that's in the heavens. And so if it can be a flower, I mean, why couldn't it be a person, a homeless person on the street, an animal, your dog, a firefly, a tree, you have to learn not to act like you know already not to be so certain of everything and to ask what if or what is it or who are you? What do you want? Who do you serve? Just start asking questions and I think that you will learn a lot that you didn't know or the things that you thought you knew maybe aren't as certain anymore. Yeah. Again, we've seen so many, had so many beautiful encounters at nighttime during the day.

44:12And during like the early days, I thought you could only see them at night as far as like sky watching. And maybe you would see them during the day, just kind of in passing or something, but it was a lot harder. And it's, so I eventually bought a pair of Generation Three military grade night vision goggles. So let's see, what do these things look like? Here they are, can you see? Military grade Generation Three night vision goggles. And this is what it takes, this or higher. There's newer versions out now. But you can, so let me say this, it doesn't take this to see them, but you can see a lot more, like it's night and day, what you can see with these. You can see, you will see them with this. Here's what we're saying now. Yeah. You will see them with this. You might see them with the naked eye. You will see them with this, for sure. The stuff that we've experienced and captured,

45:18in the backyard and around the house, just breaking them out, laying in the field. Yeah. It's like super highways in the heavens, just doing all types of wild aerial maneuvers and going into stars and hyper drives. And so just mind blowing stuff, like actually like Star Wars or something. Yeah. I was glad that last meteor shower that we had, we went out with our daughter in the field behind the house and we had the goggles and we had our laser pointers and we were out there. And we kind of, it wasn't the same type of lighting lights that we saw when it was just you and I, but we did like kind of point to an area of the sky and ask if we could see some lights in that area and she was able to see some meteors, but with the goggles and without, so that was a really fun experience. But yeah, I've seen stuff with those. So the lights that we are taught are satellites,

46:19the ones that look like a star that's moving slowly through the night sky. People say those are satellites. Some of them are. You can go to an app called Stellarium and look it up and it'll show you the satellites that are traveling in your area. But some of them aren't. So in a way, they've gotten to where they can mimic these man-made items and you have to look and say, hmm, something not quite right about that. And when you look at them with these goggles, you can see so much more number one. And then number two, they perform little maneuvers. Sometimes they'll be traveling and they'll just stop. Sometimes they'll be traveling and they'll make a right turn, like immediate right turn or they'll zigzag. And they do things that a satellite wouldn't do. They behave in odd ways. So if you are out looking and you see something that doesn't seem quite normal, don't talk yourself out of it and say,

47:19I didn't really see that. Just keep watching, because we've seen so much that it's just unexplainable. Yeah. And we're gonna have these, as Aaron teased at the beginning, we're gonna have these at the upcoming retreat in Anderson, South Carolina, October the 29th through the 31st. And so if you guys wanna hang out with us, spend a couple of days under the stars, we're gonna go into some deep teachings on crystals and how the early church used crystals to expel demons, to attract wealth, to throw off depression and melancholy. Like they used crystals for this and this is recorded text. Christian texts that are within the church that seemingly nobody talks about. And they're freaking amazing, the doctors of the church. And some people who are regarded as saints and stuff. And so the stuff is just fascinating to me, especially the stuff that we've tried to throw out

48:21and deem it demonic. Such as UFOs or lights in the sky, crystals and those things. So we're gonna be going into a lot of information on that at the retreat. Yeah, so come join us. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Anderson, South Carolina, again, October 29th through the 31st. Hopefully we have clear skies, but if we don't, I'm confident you still might be able to see some cool stuff. Oh yeah, for sure. And we're gonna be doing a concert. Yep, I'm gonna do a rap concert because I do rap sometimes. I've been known to rap one, you know, every now and then. And Aaron's gonna be doing a sound healing session. Which it calls the sacred sound immersion with her singing balls, which are amazing. Yeah, and gong. And this will be the first retreat that we've had that where I played the flute. I've played it at my sound bath sessions before, but this will be the first retreat where I can bring the flute and play the flute. Yep.

49:21People often ask me if I really believe in energy healing. And once you understand that everything is energy, everything is moving. Everything is vibration. Once you understand that, then you can amplify the energy. You can direct energy. You can cleanse energy. And yes, you can heal energy as well. Everything has a frequency, a sound, a vibration. Let's come together. Let's realign with Christ and the Christ frequency. We've witnessed so many people experience breakthrough in our sacred sound immersion sessions. We know that God has something powerful in store for you. Join us October the 29th through the 31st in Anderson, South Carolina. Tickets are available at truthseka.com. We'd love to see you there. So just go to truthseka.com, pick up your tickets,

50:23and we'll be there. Hey, thank you so much for watching this episode. I hope you enjoyed. I want you to know that there is a video right here that you can watch the video right by me. Click this video. No, don't click his video. Click my video. His video is probably about demons and dark stuff anyways. Mine's probably about angels and awesome stuff. She has a point. So you decide the demon or the angel, what do you go with?