Consciousness, Constellations, & Experiencing Spirit Through the Body | Fally Klein

0:00If you're looking for a platform to house your digital products this year, I highly recommend Kajabi. It has your website landing pages, funnels, email marketing, digital products, even podcasting, all in one place. Go to heatherparity.com forward slash Kajabi. It is also linked up in the show notes where you can get a 30 day free trial. And I also have a video there that will walk you through your first steps in setting up your digital business. Again, that is heatherparity.com forward slash Kajabi. People think that healing and growth and spirituality is about, ah, big like psychedelic trips, zip out of your body, go sing with the angels. It's bigger than that. Like the deepest form of spirituality is saying I'm sorry. You know, given your father that hug looking your mother in her eyes and saying, Mom, you are the right mother for me. That's Fowley Clean. She's a Jewish educator, hypnotherapist and breath work facilitator whose work explores

1:01Jewish mysticism, psychology and constellations. In his conversation, she explains how we experience spirituality through the physical body and why spiritual practices ultimately should change the way that we live. This is unconventional leader, Fowley. In another interview, you said quote, my passion is to help people hear the field. What do you mean hear the field? A couple of years ago, I bought my first drum. I have a little bit of an obsession with with musical instruments. It was a part of my a part of myself that I had put aside. Maybe shoved into shadow for quite some time. Stories that I told myself about, you're not a musician, you're not musical. Why do you need an instrument? Like you don't have the time or space for it.

2:03What are you ever going to do with that? And when I finally re-welcome to music and playing music into my life, I had bought a drum, a handpan. And I was playing in the kitchen and my son, who was probably 11 or 12 at the time, made a comment, it makes beautiful color. That it has a beautiful color. And the drum is a beautiful color. And I said, well, yeah, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful blue. He's like, no, no, no. Your music is making beautiful colors. And he starts talking about it. He says, when you play music, it's like greens and purples and blues. He was describing with synesthesia, where there are people out there. They see sound. They experience the auditory experience for them becomes visual. And when he was saying this so casually, I remember looking at him and thinking, wait, what? Like this is your reality. And then my daughter

3:05is in the room as well. And she's like, yeah, doesn't everybody see sound? And you know, on some level, I've had experiences of experiences of this as well. I don't see sound the way my children do, but I know the color of sound. Like the ones that my son's, my son and daughter were describing visually, I knew intuitively that those were the colors of the music that I was playing. And when we talk about hearing the field, we live a life where we think our five senses are separate. You think that you see through your eyes. You think that you hear through your ears. And the only thing that you're going to hear are actual sounds coming at you. But the real truth is that our senses are just prisms of one greater reality. And it's so much, it's possible for us to experience way more than just our five separate senses. They're like these overlapping harmonic notes of reality. And when I talk about hearing the field, it's kind of like when my children see sound. The field

4:09is the energetic space of consciousness. And we tend to have this belief or experience that consciousness is what I think about. It's just the way I think. But consciousness is the living breathing everythingness of reality. It's so much bigger than just the thoughts that are limited into your mind. You are a mechanism of a much greater whole. And we live in a world where we think we're separate. But hearing the field means tapping into the resonant frequencies that are around you at all times. And I know this sounds a little bit strange out of the box in Mysteria. So I expect you to have a bunch of follow up questions on this. And I am more than happy to completely note out on this. I'm obsessed with it. I believe in it 100%. But I'm going to be honest with you. I'm about to turn 40 and I grew up in very even jolkall Christian environment where it was taught to me at least in my area. I'm not saying all Christians are like this. But that there was something

5:12almost demonic or miss you know the mystical world. Like that's you know that's not of the Lord and all of this stuff. And there was a lot of let me put it this way. I'm just now learning about this world and the scientific roots of it as a grown up. And I was curious you grew up in the orthodox Jewish community. Is that the similar there? Is this the teaching that's embraced in Judaism? It is. Oh no no wait wait no. When you ask if it's similar there, I thought you meant it's similar to growing up evangelical Christian. And I'm like yes. Yes yes it is. So it was kind of it was like a woo thing to learn about and to look into and so forth. So like when did you kind of your mon get open to this and start accepting it as capital T trees? Having grown up Christian, right? We have a lot of similarities. We grew up with the same Bible. I mean you had the New Testament but the Old Testament is the Old Testament. If you go to the uh to the passages where it talks

6:17about receiving the Torah at Sinai, it literally says that they saw the lightning. I'm sorry they saw the thunder and heard the lightning. It's right there in the Bible. So the Bible is talking about exactly what I just described. This ability to see sound and a hear right light and color. So these are not foreign concepts even for people who grew up very very right-wing religious. However, I find that it isn't always as accepted to talk about new ideas and consciousness. It's almost like well who gave you permission to think? Who gave you permission to interpret the Bible or the Torah through this lens? And when you're asking me, weird uh I begin my journey with this. Well I always have. This is something that it's and it's not me as in Folly. Every child starts their journey like this. As every child is meant to, they are basically dumped into a world

7:19that they know nothing about. And the only way they learn about their world is through questions. And the mission of every child is to rediscover God, to rediscover trees and grass and earth and sky, right, through the lens of their curiosity. And that's how new things are born all the time because children ask questions. At some point adults have internalized this belief that questions are dangerous, questions take you away from what is right and what is known. And we've like solidified our beliefs, our beliefs about everything. I mean you and I both trained as therapists, right? So we work primarily with people who are stuck in belief systems and then can't move on. And these belief systems that people are stuck in emotionally, they're stuck in mentally, and they're also stuck in religiously and spiritually. So it's not a it's not a far-end thing for for us to start questioning beliefs. Like it's something that all of us need to be doing. So just as a child already, I just looked at the world and I asked a lot of questions.

8:21I was not my questions were not always appreciated because people don't always understand where your questions are coming from. I think people sometimes look at your questions and say, well, are you trying to disrupt the status quo? And of course, in a younger version of myself, that probably was it. I mean, I'm Jewish. So Chutzpah is a word for us, you know, having that, I don't think I need to define Chutzpah for your for your listeners, do I? Yeah, I don't know. Heather, okay, let me introduce you to a really important Jewish word. Chutzpah means like cheek, like rebelliousness, a little bit of that maverick energy. Like I have the Chutzpah to do something unexpected. And it could be a great thing, like I think unconventional leaders all have a healthy dose of Chutzpah, but also when you're a teenager and you're talking back to your mom, she's like, don't be Chutzpahdick. Like, you know, so Chutzpah can go both ways. It's kind of like derogatory, but really everybody needs like a good healthy dose of it. So as a kid, it gets

9:25misinterpreted a lot when you ask the questions because people don't always know where you're coming from. And it is true. And that when I was younger, a little angrier, a little more like, I'm smarter than everybody else. And me not have always come from the right place. At this point in my life, I feel like there is so much in our tradition, in our culture, in our religion, in our spirituality, in our world that is untapped, untouched, waiting for us to really seek it out. And it's not because we want to change things. I think it's because we want to deepen things. We want to just experience more. And it's not about, oh, which religion is the right religion? I think at the end of the day, we're all trying to say the same thing. We're all trying to come down to those same experiences. We're all trying to feel those things. We're all trying to be connected to something higher, to divinity. And the only way to go, it's like, I read a great quote once from Neil Donald Walsh, his book's conversations with God. And he said something, if you don't go within, you go without.

10:30And I think that this is really motivating my search. It's going within. And not just within myself, within the text. I mean, you can probably see behind me, I have, I'm trying to make my way right now through Talmud. That's going to, Talmud is the law text, the Jewish law texts written over a span of about a thousand years. So, and this was 2000 years ago, a 1500 years ago, it will take me about seven and a half years to get through those texts. These are the texts I've already completed. This, this, this has been two and a half years and I have another four, four and a half years to go. So when I say going within, it's like, there's so much knowledge that already exists that is, is begging for you to be like, look at me differently, ask bigger questions. There's so much wisdom in every culture and every religion and every indigenous tribe that is like, it's not about answers, it's about the search. And, and it's true. I think growing up the way we did, not everybody appreciates the search, especially because I'm a woman, right? Women are not meant to be

11:36the seekers, the studiars, the questioners and the ones coming up with some of the answers. And I'm just like, like you say, we're, I'm also about to turn 40. We're on a cusp of it. And I'm just like, I put my 40 years in. I've like, I've built the foundation. I've, I've worked on the reputation. Like I've built the life. And now I'm ready to be like, I'm, I'm just going to be with what I am, be with what I know. Yeah. And just keep moving forward. You mentioned consciousness earlier that a lot of thumbs folks would define that and think about it as just like the way that I think, like my consciousness. How would you explain consciousness to somebody who's conscious, curious? Well, consciousness can't be just about thinking because even animals think on some level, right? They're hungry. They go after them. They think maybe primarily and maybe instinctually, but thinking is available to many creatures. I want to say consciousness is a more about

12:39meta processing, thinking about the way we think, recognizing that there is an observer self. I am the observer of my thoughts. When I have an inner dialogue going on inside of my head, who is the dialogue for? Who am I talking to inside of my head? So there's a part of me that's doing the talking inside of my head. And then there's the part of me that's doing the listening inside of my head. And that to me is the baby step towards understanding or even beginning to have a conversation about consciousness. My working theory right now, and I've been sitting with this for a while, and I'm not even sure I'm ready to talk about it, is we're just consciousness come from because again, I think people say I am conscious. It's my consciousness. And I don't know that consciousness is actually something organic or inherent to us as people or this planet Earth. My feeling is, and again, I'm coming from a religious background. So in religious terminology,

13:41I'm going to talk about having a soul. The understanding is that you are not your soul. Like your soul is, your body and your soul are two separate things. So your soul is here inhabiting the body. And whether you're religious or not religious, there's no question that on some level, we all believe something about this because you can keep a body alive. You can put a body on a respirator, right? You can do so many different things, but when that soul chooses to leave that body, there's nothing you can do to keep that body alive. So there is something bigger in us than just our body, right? And again, with the tremendous advancements that we've made in medicine, I think we can make our bodies live longer, but there comes a point where it's just a body. And something beyond this body chooses when it comes in and when it leaves. And to me, that's what consciousness is actually about. I don't think it has anything to do with our brain. I think that there's a higher something that is inhabiting the body that I am in. And maybe,

14:45and I think that there are times in our life when we look out through our eyes, and sometimes we look out as the body, and sometimes we look out as the soul. If I think back to my 20s, I don't know if I was living in soul consciousness in my 20s. I have a very hard time even remembering my 20s. It's very strange to say this. I had a great 20s raised my kids. I had kids really, really young, was so busy. And I've always been a thinker. I've always been a reader, a researcher, a doer. And yet, I feel like there was an absolutely different version of me looking out through those eyes. It's almost like we carry different memories. It sounds almost like science fiction, you know? But that's the best way I know how to describe it. And then at a certain point, and I think that there are many ways to access this higher consciousness. For me, it was initially about bypassing my body. I've had cancer twice. I've had a lot of difficulties really living in my body in this lifetime.

15:49And for me, lately, the mission has more become actually, don't escape the body. Love your body, nourish your body, take care of your body. And all of a sudden, it's like this whole new consciousness available to me that I'm living from and able to see out my eyes from. If that makes sense. I would love you dig into that a little bit more because that was something I had made a note of in my journal a few months back. I was reading, I forgot what book. But it was talking about being grounded. How can I experience consciousness through the physical body and through the earth? And like what's unlocked with that? Does it matter because otherwise, everybody's just going to be doing shrimps and breath work and laying down the ground and not need to move? I mean, so like, what do we tap into through the body? What part of consciousness can we tap into? And why does that matter? Oh my gosh. I want to go in a million different directions because you just opened my Pandora's box. My initial training in my, my first love is hypnotherapy.

16:49And people assume that hypnotherapy is hypnosis, but actually my specialty is spiritual regression. Jumping timelines, going to past lives, working with life between lives, like what happens in the spirit world. But I want to show you something really cool. I also run a breathwork academy, right? Train facilitators and breathwork. And this is a version of the map that we use that shows you where different belief systems, different levels of consciousness live in the body. And I can talk about it more. It is based on kabbalistic teachings. Is it different than shock res? No, it's different than shock res. It's actually based more on the kabbalistic tree of life. And also I would say it's phenomenal logical, like just working with thousands of people over the years, having certain themes come up again and again, that I'm sure the shock res system will corroborate some of the things that I see because I think many, many systems all essentially say the same thing. We've come to, we've come to these conclusions independently all over the years, all over the world throughout

17:52the years, throughout the generations. So like this is not based on the shock res system, but the shock res system could so easily work with this and alignment with this. But right here, the two, the feet, the messages of the feet are the left foot in particular is anchoring your spirit into the body. So the right foot would be about being grounded in reality, right? So like it's almost like your physical body taking nourishment from the earth and your left foot is more about bringing your soul down, like completing that, that circuit. And there's something to this about needing to be grounded in this body to really achieve heightened spiritual states. So in Judaism, there's a very famous line that I'll say it in Hebrew and then I'll say it in English, Derrach Erats, Kudma, Latura. The way of the land is more important. It comes before learning of the Torah. And you would think that in a religious society, you would say, well, no, no, the religion is the

18:52highest thing of all learning that the right, the Bible is the most important thing. And actually, it's understanding the way of the land is more important before you study Torah. Because if you go to esoteric wisdom, you can go, you can go nuts. And I want to say in many different ways, you can you can dissociate, you can, you can write spiritually bypass, you actually might not even be a great person. Like you could be a super intellectual rabbi teacher, priest, minister, and be terrible person. So in my culture, the idea of Derrach Erats like the way of the land really means interpersonal relationships, right? Learning how to communicate, learning how to be kind. But Derrach Erats literally means the actual way of the land, like be grounded. You need to know the land, you need to be here before you start engaging in esoteric wisdom. And esoteric doesn't have to be mysticism. It's literally the Bible. Because the Bible is divine. Wherever you think the Bible come from, it's clearly something higher intelligence, morals, ethics, whatever, deeper understandings,

19:57start with the basic, you know, be grounded. But I want to show you something else. I want you to think of, well, think, think of one of your kids, okay? Think of her here. Yeah. And you can just take a minute and see what she looks like, what she's wearing, what she's doing, when she's in your head. And now I want you to imagine that you can take her and put her in your heart, put the same daughter, just have her live in your heart now instead of your head. And notice if anything changed. Just feel so much love for her, I'm pretty giddy. So you feel different? Does she look or act different in any way when she's in your head versus when she's in your heart? No, she just shrunk lots of who could fit in there. She's like strong so she could fit. Okay, but your feelings changed. My feelings changed. I just felt like a kind of a swelling.

21:00So when we have something in our head, we have one relationship to it. When we have it in our heart, we have another relationship to it. If we put that same thought into our belly, right, we'll have another relationship to it because there's every, every person, every thought, every thing contains multitudes. So sometimes you'll do an experiment like that. You'll have your daughter in your head this way. You'll put her into your heart. She may actually change ages. She may look different. Right? Your experience was that you felt different. And to me, that's what embodied spirituality is. You can leave your body and go into the realm of thoughts, ideas, concepts. And yeah, that world is unlimited. But if you can bring that world, if you can bring heaven into earth, you will have a vastly different experience, but also much richer. And what I mean by richer is it may not be as, I don't want to say unlimited. Like, I think the

22:03realm of like leaving your body and going to the realm of thoughts and ideas is like limitless because you can do anything with that level of creativity. But the richness of experiencing all of your thoughts and ideas and spirituality through your body can't be faked. When you put your daughter in your heart and you had that swelling of love, you don't get that when you leave your body to experience what we call spirituality. You know, it brings to my story years ago, I was traveling with my family back from Israel. And my kids were quite little at the time. So we're talking, they were like nine, seven and four. And we get onto the plane and we caught the red eye. So traveling from Israel to New York can be like anywhere between 10 and 12 hours depending on the flight. And we caught the red eye. We're planning to have the kids sleep for the entire flight so that we get home and can start the day. And this guy gets on to the flight and his seat is right in front of my

23:04son. And you can see the way he just like was this he just decided that this was going to be the worst flight of his life. He kept like looking at my son and he was like, don't you dear kick my chair. The guy kept standing up like every half hour convinced that my kid was kicking his chair. My kid was fast asleep and his legs were like like on my lap. Like he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't even breathing on this guy's chair. At some point in the middle of the flight, the guy gets up, goes to like the back of the plane. Okay, this is a red eye. Everyone's sleeping. And he starts doing yoga stretches, yoga poses. This is and this is before everybody's wearing lulus and walking around and like it's like this is before yoga was super popular. Okay, so he's like doing this like you know, all the warrior poses and the you know, the Israeli flight attendants are like, excuse me son of we have to feed a coffee like every and like Israeli flight attendants like they don't do that level of BS. They're just like everybody do the seat and he's like, but I need my yoga poses because you know, and he's and and everybody is just there. Keeping their mouth shut. And all I

24:11kept thinking and he then he starts talking to people like, yeah, I'm yogi. I spent many years in India and I had my spiritual awakening and I'm thinking to myself, but this guy's literally an asshole. He has been so unkind, yelling at my child, my child who didn't do anything to him. He just came in so determined to believe that this kid was being was going to give him the worst flight ever. He was just so even the way he was talking to the stewardess and was like, well my yoga practice comes before your need to serve coffee. And I'm like, this is is what we mean by having this grounded embodied spirituality because you can tell yourself whatever stories you'd like about your spiritual practice. But if you're a spiritual practice does not result in you being a better person, a kinder person, I got a compliment last week. I had I had, okay, so this is this is another juism, another yeah, juism. So we we buy like items like silverware cups utensils. Yeah,

25:13utensils. We we actually immerse them into like a ritual immersion. And we collect a rainwater. It's very cool. It's like a like a natural a natural body of water. We immerse it first. So I had gone to like immerse a bunch of new new Stanley cups. I mean, let's say that, you know, so and I come back home and I'm just rinsing them all out and drying each one. And my sister-in-law was there. And she says, I'm giving I give you so much credit. You have this ability to just be so present with what you're doing. Like I had the amount of cups. And she's like, you could have just air dried them. And she's like, you're literally going through each one. And I'm like, it but it feels so nice. Like, I'm I'm here right now. And this is what I'm doing. She's like, right, but I'm not she's like, it's not about how you keep house. She's like, the way you do it is such an important lesson that what you're doing, if you're if you're washing dishes, if you're drying them, if you're folding laundry, everything is an act of God. Everything is an act of spirituality. Everything that you do is an

26:13act of presence. There's no wasted moment. There's no wasted time. Drying the dishes is an act of consciousness. If you decide and choose for that to be. And that to me again is the reason why we have to have embodied spirituality. Because I can so easily say that the dishes are beneath my dignity. Like I can be studying Talmud. I can be spending all of this time enhancing my intellect and you know, changing the world. But actually you get to change the world by doing the dishes too. And I don't see any separation between that. We're going to go layer deeper. Think about. Individually, I don't even know if I'm saying this question right. So I'm curious your thoughts on this. But I think about like an individual consciousness. And then I think about a collective consciousness. And I think about what is the difference between those two worlds and how do they play with each other. And I could be wrong on this. You tell me. You introduce me

27:16this idea of constellations. And I've done a couple of YouTube videos, you know, YouTube academy on what that means and listening to you talk and share. And I'm thinking maybe that has something to do with that individual consciousness, systematic consciousness and how all those work together. But you tell me if I'm wrong. No, you are exactly right. I cannot leave you went down that rabbit hole. Welcome to my world. Oh, Fred, you don't know how they're very much. This is like, I love this stuff. Well, this is probably going to be like the next 10 years of your life because you can't enter into this world and just like scratch the surface because once it captures you, you're like, I'm in forever. It's not about I want to know everything. There's nothing to know, but you want to experience it. The danger is when we think we know we are all such control freaks around this. It's like, oh, the more I know, the more knowledge I have access to, I will master this. And with constellations work, the ultimate mastery is the highest form of

28:18surrender, really allowing yourself to listen to the field, be carried by the field, and understand that there are going to be key moments where the next movement will be up to you. That's what consciousness is. The principles behind constellations, and I'm going to kind of like circle back around to the individual conscience, but the, you know, and the collective consciousness. The principle behind constellations, well, there are a few basic principles, but I'll tell you one of them, is that the goal for the way we live our lives is a, acknowledge what is. Everything that you want in life really starts with, acknowledge what is. Then, number two, take responsibility. And that's a very, very difficult one, especially when people feel like they've been victimized. And I'm not doing away with atrocities that happen, evil, things that are beyond our control. But there is always, always no matter where you're at, there's always something that you

29:21can take responsibility for in every moment. You can be taking responsibility for your thoughts. You can be taking responsibility for the things you say. You can be taking responsibility for the things that you believe before you ever take an action. So taking responsibility means, I acknowledge what is, and I may have lived through some of the most tremendous horrors, horrors that nobody should ever see or know of or experience. I didn't choose those things. But the real path towards healing and the evolution of consciousness is to acknowledge that this is it, acknowledge reality. From there, once I've accepted my reality, I can take responsibility for what comes next. I can take responsibility for the role I play in wherever this goes. And I know a lot of us have Messiah complexes. I would love to be like something bigger. But even the biggest people, they start with the smallest decisions internally. And that's what taking responsibility is. And the third thing is making a movement. And the movement is never what you think it is. We have these massive tutelists

30:25for our days, for our weeks, for our lives. I mean, I saw you had Jesse Itsellers big calendar in your office. Like the big idea calendar. And you have, you know, it's like, okay, great, great. But in Confilations work, the movement is always completing a reaching out movement towards love. Because love is the ultimate currency. And that's what the closed loop of consciousness is. It's love. It's recognizing that our souls have chosen one another. Despite the roles we play for each other on this earth, unfortunately, we've all been victim and also perpetrator in some way, shape or form in our life. But underneath it all, we're all souls that come from somewhere, that have a higher purpose, higher mission. And beyond our body forms, when we go to a place of higher truth, there is only love. So Confilations are all about finding where the love was blocked. And where what we can do to make that one movement towards that loving consciousness. And it isn't

31:30loving consciousness. The way you think love is. It's not about your feelings. It's not love as a feeling. It's love as an orientation. Love as commitment. Love as nurture. Love as a promise. A promise that I will be there for you, no matter how I feel about you. There are very many different forms of love. So there is a collective consciousness. I think we're all in this together. We all have a shared goal. And again, I don't know where souls come from. But souls clearly come from something much higher. And the higher we go, the more we realize we're all one. So collective consciousness isn't actually collective. The greatest form of collective consciousness is the unification of all things. So collective consciousness is really tapping into the highest form of individual consciousness that there is. The the oneness of being. Now, I think when we think of collective consciousness, we think, oh, being able to tap into group consciousness versus individual consciousness,

32:34which is the very small sliver of reality that I was tasked with living in this lifetime. Right. And I think I would hope that for most of us achieving personal consciousness, individual consciousness is a very beautiful goal. And not everybody gets there. And I've made great strides in my life. But I don't know that I am like, I wouldn't dare to call myself an evolved human because I see how far I've come. But that only tells me how much further I have to go. Right. I think ultimately we want to be tapping into some form of collective consciousness where we realize that we are all responsible for one another that I cannot make a move in my world without in some way affecting you, Heather, you know, a couple of states away. We've never actually met in person. But I know that every movement I make will also affect you. And someone else that I've never met yet. And I mean, never find out how, but we're all interconnected. But I think that there's an even higher consciousness than again, the individual or the collective. And that's

33:35again, the individual, but the higher form individual where we're all actually one. So confelations work is about is about that consciousness. And it's about how that consciousness plays out in life. And most of us are, I want to say doomed. I don't mean it in a negative way. But we're constantly cycling through some very, very small dramas. And when I say small, they could feel and be experienced as monumental. But what I mean, like small closed loops, like we're essentially repeating the same belief systems, same story, different day, right? Different iterations of the same story. It's kind of like a scratch CD. So I mean, I don't know. No one listens to CDs anymore. But I think you're your listenership, right? No, what a CD is. Remember when the CD was scratched and you would listen to the same thing over and over and over again. And we live our lives that way caught in a loop. And constellations is what if we can bring the higher consciousness, the higher orders here, and help you untangle that loop so that you are your soul is now free to actually do what it came

34:40here to do to achieve the individual consciousness that you were tasked with living and to contribute from that individual place back to the group and then back to the onus of all things, the higher order at play. But the only way you can actually do that, you can't spiritually bypass your individual life. So people who are, I see a lot of people who are activists who are constantly contributing to the world at large, but they're not taking care of the individual. And either by neglecting themselves, right? And like, oh, my needs don't matter. Like the martyrship, martyrdom, or by actually being terrible person, terrible people individually, but as long as they're doing great collective work, they're fine. And constellations say you can't do that. You actually have to, it starts with you. It starts with you taking ownership, you taking responsibility, you making that very tiny change. And that's one of the reasons I love constellation, or it's one. One of the things I really, really love about it is that the movements that constellations invites you into are so tiny,

35:43so tiny. People think that healing and growth and spirituality is about big, like psychedelic trips, zip out of your body, go sing with the angels. And like, that's great. Like, sure, like, let's all have, let's all hallucinate together. Like I'm really there for that. But it's bigger than that. Like the deepest form of spirituality is saying I'm sorry. You know, given your father that hug, looking your mother in her eyes and saying, Mom, you are the right mother for me. I take my life fully and completely from you, the life that you have given me. I accept that life. And like, these are such, they sound so simple on the surface, but they have the capacity to, to achieve incredible amounts of movement and change and resolution. I've seen literal miracles happen with this kind of work. And again, on the surface, it doesn't sound like something major is happening, but beneath the surface, it's like flicking that one switch that opens up an incredible amount of possibility.

36:49In any of your studying, have you reached any kind of conclusion or idea of why God's source chooses to ground spirituality in the human body? Like, why? What is it about that? Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to run a risk right now of sounding absolutely nuts. I don't know or believe that we are the, yeah, I don't, I don't know or believe that we are the only planet. I think that there are so many different ways to experience life and consciousness. An earth is just a small way. And I believe that if, if there are multitudes out there in the universe, and yet we were born into this planet, this life, that means on this planet, developing higher consciousness has to be done according to their eras, the way of the land. This is the planet that

37:51you were born into. This is how this planet works. This is how you achieve spirituality through on this, on this earth, on this planet. If we were reincarnated, you know, on, in the Pleiadian system or something, who knows what that life or what spirituality would look like in that life. And again, I'm going to run the risk of sounding a little bit blasphemous by saying what I'm saying next, but I'm not the one who came up with this. Okay. Great rabbis have said this before me. If God is, is all knowing and, and all encompassing and nothing is beyond God, right? What's the one thing, so to speak, that God can't do? He can't perfect himself because he's already perfect. So what happens when God plays the ultimate game with himself? Where he says, I am going to take upon myself the illusion of not knowing. I'm going to take upon myself the illusion of being

38:55broken, of not, you know, of not being enough. And I'm going to put myself down onto this earth to experience a level of consciousness that I can't, and I say, can't in quotes because God could do everything, but that I can't do from a place of ultimate perfection. So I'm going to give myself the experience of not being perfect. I'm going to give myself the opportunity to grow, to discern, to evolve. And that's why I think that even though we are souls that come from such a high consciousness place, we have to be born as babies. We have to be born into nervous systems that are not fully developed. We have to be born into brains that have no cognition, like very limited cognition as babies, right? Our prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until we're like 25. And God is like, this is the best game that I'm playing with myself, the illusion of not knowing, the forced childhood, the forced mistakes, you got to stumble and fall before you can walk and then run. And I think that's why we need to do this spirituality through being grounded, being on

40:03earth, because I think that's our mission. And we're not just doing it for ourselves. And I think, of course, this is the appeal with psychedelics. Imagine we can leave our bodies. Imagine we get to go back even for a very short period of time to where we came from, to re-experience the, whoa, I'm so much bigger than this limited body. And I think that there's a healthy aspect in this. Like I think everybody should have that experience at least once, just to remember that you're more than just. I mean, everything, again, with responsibility, I think that's a much larger conversation into the how backwards and crazy the whole psychedelic movement has become. I think that there's a lot of, again, I think there's a lot of room for improvement there. But underneath it, I think we're all looking for something. We're all looking to be reminded that we're bigger than our bodies. But then I think we still have to come back to our bodies and be like, now that I know what I am or a semblance of what I am, how am I going to bring more of that through this? How am I going to embody that? Because that's my mission here on earth. I'm not going to be here much longer. Nobody

41:07is. Even if I live a very, very full life on this earth in the scheme of things, what's 80 years, what's 100 years? It's a blip in 100 years from now. Nobody's going to remember me. Not a one. Okay, maybe I'm going to be famous enough that in 100 years from now, I'll still be in a thousand years from now, in 2000 years from now. No one is going to remember me. And if they do remember me, they will for sure be misquoting me. And I'm going to be pissed because, yeah. So none of that matters. So what matters is like one day I will leave this body. One day I will sing with the angels for eternity. If that's what my soul wants to do. But you know what else my soul wants to do? Be here because I wouldn't be here if my soul hadn't chosen to live this lifetime in this body. Yes, as a girl, as a woman, you know, like surprise, surprise, and have this experience. So I think every time we try to zip out of our body, we're actually doing ourselves a great to service because we're, we're

42:11we're jeopardizing our own choices, our own mission. The things we signed up to say, like our own goals, it's like when you sign up to when you look like I said before, I took on a seven year course of study. Every day, I have to ask myself, what is it that I'm doing today towards that goal? It's about an hour or two of study that I do every single day. And I it's very nice to say that you have a vision. It's very nice to say that you have a goal. But then what are you doing today to help you be that person in seven years? So you want to zip out of your body? Hey, I'm all for it. Have fun. Try it at least once. Maybe twice or maybe do it every few years if you need a reminder. But come back to this body. This is your stated goal. You chose this life. You chose this mission. And you don't remember choosing this mission. That's part of what what this mission is. If you remembered everything, if we came into this life with full consciousness, that we wouldn't have the joy of rediscovery. We wouldn't have the joy of learning through mistakes. We wouldn't have that

43:13false belief that we were not perfect, right? And have to work hard to achieve perfection or work hard to like rediscover that self love and the divinity that lives inside of us. We were born here meant to not know. We were meant to not remember so that this whole life could be a journey of remembering ourselves home, remembering who we already are. You are such a gifted communicator. I could listen to you talk for a long, long time. I know we're getting close to the end and shared with you at the beginning about who our audience is. Communicators, storytellers, they chose to be put on this earth for some reason to be a vessel with their art and their work. And a lot of them have platforms, audiences. We're filled drawn to. I'm curious with what we talked about so far with tapping into collective consciousness and constellations and

44:14closing the loop on where love is blocked and all the good stuff you dropped in this. I'm curious with this particular group of people we're talking to, what do you hope they take away from what we just talked about? Is there anything? Because you think about, I was listening to Tyler Perry talk about how his characters will like visit him and his sleep and they won't shut up and he has to write because something's coming through him and musicians are the same way and any kind of retailer communicator, they can hold it flow, the muse, it's tapping into something and people have their own formulas around it. But I would argue that every one of us wants to be more connected to source, not only because it makes the work better, but also too we want to be faithful to the work. So I threw up all over you, but I'm curious like if you were to speak into that element of humanity, the communicators, the storytellers, what's important to understand in regards to what we talked about.

45:20Well, so a couple of days ago, I met my parents' house and spending the afternoon there, pulled a book off the shelf and just starts read through it and it's a Osperlman's book about a read your mind, he's the mentalist, read your mind. And there were some good bits in the book and I was discussing it with my business coach the other day, just something very cool that I had read and I was an idea that I wanted to discuss with him. He's like, oh my god, talking about whatever, I have to show you something. He's like, I've been waiting for two days to show you this like video clip that popped up on my feet and he pulls out this video clip and it was so cool and I just look at him and I can't stop laughing. I'm like, you know who this guy in the clip is, right? He's like, no, I'm like, that's him, Osperlman, the guy, like he had been waiting for two days to show

46:23me that clip and I had read the book two days ago and he did not like, and this stuff happens to me all the time and it doesn't just happen to me, I'm sure it happens to you too, you know, you think about somebody, boom, they call you and I think that there are ideas that are meant to be birthed into the world. Elizabeth Gilbert talks about this in her book, Big Magic, how where do ideas come from? Where do big ideas come from? And they don't come from me. They might come through me, but they come from a higher place as evidenced by the fact that two people can have the same idea at the same time. Even the two people who have not spoken to one another, two people who live on two different continents, how is it that suddenly when something is invented or developed, you'll have a million other people doing a different version of the same thing. But before this, nobody had thought about it. And the minute that consciousness comes in,

47:24it's everywhere because the consciousness doesn't belong to you, I think again, there is a higher consciousness that wants us to evolve. We're limited in our capacity to understand all of that because we are limited through our brains. Our brains are physical, part of our physical body and our physical body is limited. And again, this was by design, we were meant to have limited access to consciousness here. But there's a higher consciousness, there's a higher order that that higher order's deepest wish is for us to keep evolving. So at pivotal times, certain ideas are ready to be birthed into the world. And your listeners are all creators, artists, communicators, storytellers. So I think most of them will understand what I'm talking about. You have a dream and an idea comes through to you in a dream. You have a meditation and there's a download. There's a reason why we describe it as downloads when an idea comes in and it feels like a download because it came from somewhere through you. And the takeaway that I want people to walk away with

48:27is be a vessel. Remember, this isn't on you. Like, you don't have to work too hard to generate all of those new ideas because they're not coming from the physical self. But you do have to work hard to clear yourself so that you could be a really, really good vessel because when the ideas come, you want to be the one to birth them. Like, that's a privilege and an honor to have an idea come through you when you can be that first one who hears the voice in the field, you know, because the field is always talking. There's always murmurings. There's always new ideas ready to be birthed and it's the ones who are open and it's not just about being open enough to hear it, but it's about being clean enough and open enough and healthy enough to birth it because you can corrupt an idea that you've taken in. And so this is when you talk about unconventional leaders, I think a lot about conscious leadership and what does it mean? There are a lot of people that are born with leadership. Like, you have leo rising in your chart, boom, you're a leader. You know, you never asked for it. You didn't do anything to deserve it. It's just how your spirit was

49:31designed to be a leader. But if you're going to be a leader and you're going to be an unconventional leader at that, I think of what's primary importance is it be a good person, focus a lot on what it would mean to be kind, to develop your communication skills, to work on the relationships you have in your life, like the meaningful relationships, your kids, your spouse, your lover, your neighbors, your neighbors. You know, be the kind of person that when you're heading back to your car, put the shopping cart back, you know, in the in the in the island target, don't leave the shopping cart, return someone else's shopping cart. Just be that person. You can run a multi-billion-dollar corporation, but return the shopping cart because that's where real leadership begins. Be a vessel so that that higher consciousness that's just waiting yearning for us to evolve, be the kind of vessel that allows that higher consciousness to come through. That higher consciousness is rooting for you. That higher consciousness wants you to succeed, but there are certain things it can't do for you.

50:31You have to do that for yourself. And I think that's where the grounded part comes in. Just be a good person. Do whatever it takes to make that change. Again, smallest change, smallest change, but allows for a higher movement to come through. That's a final question for you, but before then, if anyone is listening and this resonates with you, you have multiple programs. I'll say specifically one called Bessel. Yeah. That is open for men and women both to work on what you just discussed here. Is that the best place for people to engage with working with you, or would you lead them somewhere else? My love is more the training spaces where I train facilitators, but Vessel is a prerequisite to everything I do in my world. Because while it's amazing to step into the training space to graduate as a facilitator, to evoke that kind of change, to step into that form of leadership, it always starts by becoming a vessel. By really getting to know yourself very well, know your thought patterns, catch your beliefs in actions, have self mastery, self control,

51:35be a better human. Because you know what? You're not a human. You're a soul. No one needs to tell you to be a better soul. You already are. But I think we can all use helping a better human. So that's what this course is designed for. That'll be linked up in the show notes along with your newsletter email list, which is phenomenal. You're a wonderful storyteller. And there's so much heart and soul that you pour into your content. So all that will be linked in the show notes. Very last question. I never always asked the same question, but I'm feeling like I need to ask you this one. A few weeks ago, I spoke at a conference around storytelling. And one of the main points that I had in that was that as communicators, we need to sink in to our still small voice inside of us and listen. Because a lot of times we run to hacks and tips and tricks and hooks and editing and all this stuff as opposed to like having resonance in your message and like potency

52:40is for Ward Symbandas says the potency of your message. So I shared that on stage and hours went by, I was leaving that evening and the sky runs up to me and he says, hey Heather, said you said in your message that we need to get quiet and hear that still small voice inside of us. And he said, how do I do that? And how do I trust that? And I was curious if he had ran up to you. And there was, I could feel the question of the question, you know, and it really touched me when he said, how do I trust what I hear? That was a beautiful question. How would have you have responded to him? Well, the way I would answer this question is I don't know if you can see it on the shelf behind me. I've created a journal. It's not my idea. I just did my own version of this. This is a five-year journal

53:46where on any given page you'll have the date at the top of the page and you'll have five spaces. So what happens is every day, every, so let's say this is June 18th, this date. So on June 18th, I will fill out just a few lines. Just a one, a one line, you know, synopsis about my day. The most important lessons, the things I've learned, what I've achieved, what I'm curious about. And then in one year on June 18, I will come back and I will write again the second line. One year after that, the third. And then this will take me through five years. So what's very cool is at two years in, three years in, you're not just filling out today. So you get to see where you were exactly one year ago, exactly two years ago, right? And you get to see patterns and shifts and changes and you get to see your evolution. Through time in a very short form way. This is not long form journaling. This doesn't take more than like a minute every night to do. Why did I become so fascinated by this? Why did I choose to create my own version of this?

54:48Because five years ago, someone gifted me one of these journals. I had never heard about it before. And I was like, oh, this is so cool. Because I don't commit a lot of time to journaling. But I love the idea of it. So like a one line a day just seemed like a very cool, fun thing to do. Very doable. And it was a cool experiment. I didn't dream that I was going to finish those five years. But I did a year ago. And oh, my God, what evolved in those five years. I didn't realize the patterns that were going to emerge, the story that I was going to tell. And if I have to be brutally honest, the story that that journal ended up telling that I didn't know that I was writing was the end of my marriage. But I didn't know it at the time. I was just journaling one line a day. But then eventually when I was looking back, I was able to see the breakdown of my marriage, all of the pain, all of the patterns that weren't correcting themselves, all of that. And when I finished my journal last year, I was ready to go buy a new one. So I'd been looking on Amazon to buy a new one. And then my business coach said, wait, wait,

55:50you need to ask yourself before you start another five-year journal, what's your intention? And I said, well, you know, that one showed me the breakdown of my marriage. I'm curious what the next one is going to show me. He's like, no, the next one we're going to do differently. I want you to think about who you want to be in five years. Because when you started your last journal, you didn't think about who you're going to be in five years. You were just doing an experiment. Five years later, you can look back and see what has evolved. But before you start your next journal, you can already be reasonably certain that there's a version of Folly, there's a version of you that already exists five years from now. She is going to be reading what you write today. Because you've already completed one, you have the experience of being on both sides of the journal, beginning it and reading through it when it was over. He's like, now I want you to project into the version of you who is reading this journal in five years. Who is she? What has she accomplished? What does she stand for? What is the story she's telling about her life?

56:53And I said, well, what if that changes? I can imagine a version of myself. If I think about who I want to be in five years, that's a woman who finished her seven-year study of Talmud. And it's starting again. Because once you become a lifer, you're in it for a life, and that's my dream. I want to study this till the day I die. But in five years, I will be the woman, hopefully, who will have completed. He says, great. Every day when you sit down with your new entry, you're not writing about, you're not vomiting onto the page. You're thinking about the five-year future version of you who's going to be reading what you wrote today, which means what happened today that is in alignment with the person of the version of you that you already know is reading in five years. And that's what prompted me to create my own. Because this is different. This is not just a regular five-year journal. In fact, every single page has little quotes on top. That's taken directly from my teachings, from the course that I teach called vessel. And to me,

57:53that's the still small voice. The still small voice is your vision. It's your goal. It's the person that you intend to be in five years. It's the person you intend to be in ten years. You know what? It might even be the person that you intend to be in 30 days. And it could be a simple goal as, hey, I want to lose ten pounds. That could be your still small voice. The version of you that lost those ten pounds. The version of you that's eating healthier. That's your still small voice. And so when you're making a decision and when you're living life, you ask yourself, this decision, this choice that I'm making, this person I'm becoming friends with, this business meeting I'm attending saying yes to this podcast, is this a decision that brings me closer to that version of me, five years from now, who's already reading my diary, she already exists. That's your still small voice. People are looking everywhere like, what is the still small voice? How can I trust it? If you understand that that's still small voice is a version of you that exists in the future, then it's

58:58the easiest thing to trust because this is not about, is it right? Is it wrong? It's so simple. Is this choice bringing me one step closer to the person that I intend to be on the other side? That's how we're meant to live our lives. Woo! I wasn't ready for you today. It's so good. And you're, you know, it's a funny, I have, I have the best old journal, too. It's beautiful. I've always like the, the, synates you have at the top, I think I've been doing it wrong because I haven't been saying anything about my day. I always just reflect on that synates and what that's speaking to me, but that kind of works. I really, really like doing that. Wait, I've never thought about that. I think you just upgraded my game. But like I, because it's like when I read it, I read the synates or whatever that you have. Sometimes it's just two or three words, you know, like, okay, what does that mean for me today? What am I hearing today? You know, and it's, it's been a really powerful practice. Today's quote for September 24th is, God speaks fluent vulnerability.

1:00:07I'm going to have to start journaling the way you just clued me into. Because it's interesting, too, because the way we hear that says who we are right now, because I'm going to hear that next year different than I heard that today. Yeah. So again, I think the still small voice can be anything, but it's exactly what you said. You're always going to hear the same thing differently, depending on where you're at in life. That's your still small voice. So people are looking for it in holy texts, scriptural passages, mentors, teachers, and the thing is you can be surrounded by the holiest texts in the world, by the most exalted and esteemed teachers. You're still listening to them and interpreting through your lens. It will still come down through your bias, your lens. So also decide what your bias is. Is your still small voice, your trauma? Is it your past? Is it all a hardened beliefs that you've

1:01:11made about yourself? Or is your still small voice the version of you in the future? And as a facilitator, most of the people that I come to work with, they're still small voice is their past. But I can't, but I'm limited, but I'm a victim. And so the still small voice that they listen to is actually just reinforcing more of that trauma, more of that stuckness. You get to choose your still small voice. And so my still small voice, the one I choose is the highest version of myself, living her best life, achieving things beyond my wildest dreams. They're not beyond her wildest dreams because she's already living them. I don't know how I'm going to turn into her, but I don't have to know. She already knows because she's there. She's hearing you. I don't have to know. I just have to be here knowing that her voice is carrying me forward. I am tickled. We got to talk. This was so fine. I've been looking forward to this all week long. Thank you for your time.

1:02:14Thank you for the work that you do in this world. Thank you for being faithful to your calling. And what you were designed uniquely to do on this earth and fighting for it every single day through the ups and the downs and the twists and the turns and making a commitment to yourself to up level constantly. So you can be of greater service to people. I know you do that and it's a plurant in your work. I can go on and on, but thanks so much for joining us. Thank you Heather. Hey you. You just finished this episode. So I have one favor to ask you. Have you left a rating or a review on your podcasting app? I know. I know you're busy, but just hang on. This takes like two seconds. It helps us out so much. So if you enjoyed this conversation or if you've been a regular listener and have not done so yet, just scroll down to the bottom of your podcasting app and there would be a place where you can leave us a review or a rating. Takes only a minute and it will help us get this show out there. Two more people. I appreciate you. Thank you so much for helping us out.

1:03:15Have an awesome day.