Deadly Month For Cyclists. Plus, Best of the South Side

0:00We like to say Illinois is in the middle of everything. You can visit Chicago to soak up them lakefront views, check out our neighborhoods, or indulge in iconic cuisine while discovering world-class museums. You can take the scenic route and chase change in colors across state parks, forests, and trails. You can check out small-town Illinois for quaint shops, cozy eateries and seasonal celebrations, or be nostalgic out on Route 66 with neon lit diners, vintage motels, and historic landmarks. Find exactly what you're looking for and even more at enjoyilanoid.com. This is CityCash Chicago. I'm Jacobi Cochran and here's what Chicago is talking about. Yeah, Danny, it is good to see you, my friend. What is bringing you joy in Chicago right now? Get to see y'all.

1:01I'm trying to take advantage of it not being break cold for as long as I possibly can. So you will see me still at the lake. I mean, granted, I'll be wearing a sweater, but I'll still be at the lake. I'm taking advantage of all the empatios. I love pilsen yards. I think about throwing a little backyard shenanigans situation. I'm just trying to be as physically outside as long as possible. Before I have to walk on these icy roads where last year, I literally got a concussion because I ate it and I slipped really bad. So that's what I'm looking forward to. That is contributor to your any radio in the building with us. You know, Danny, thank you for making time for CityCash Chicago. Thank you for making time for me. I'm right there with you, G. We need to take advantage of this sunshine as much as possible. Soak it all in. Hannah, what about you? What's something that's bringing you joy right now in the land? Yo, I'm going to stick with the thing when continuing to feel like summer. And I just been eating barbecue. Okay. I know what that is. But me and Wilma's been locked in.

2:02And everybody don't do turkey tips well, but Wilma's turkey tips. They be fired. Okay. And so give me, and I don't even need a small, they give you so much. I get the mini and I still have food for tomorrow. So I'm just saying. Yeah. Give me them Wilma's mini turkey tip. Please. Thank you. Have you been over to just turkey? I have. I have. I like that turkey tip. I used to live up to street from, I ain't got to merely as much, but I used to live close to. It was a problem. It was a problem there too. I know some people probably hear in this and they like, um, turkey, barbecue. Yes. That's what we talking about. Yes. I want me some turkey tips. I'm not going to be mad at it until you try. You know, just put me on. Sorry. No, we got you. We got you. Get over to Wilma's. Get over to just turkey. That is contributor and of the shot in the building. And I appreciate you being with us. It is always good to be here family. I don't know about y'all, but the thing that's bringing me joy right now, it's a few things.

3:03Right now, we're kind of in that like Chicago sports equinox, like everything is sort of lining up like right. The Chicago sky season just ended and while it was a tad disappointing, right? We're excited going into the off season. The hawks and the bulls and training camp right now. So the anticipation is high. Right. The bears coming off of 38 year old case, keen and main plate in a thousand days going out there and and slinging pill. I don't know what people was talking. That's one of the best play calling games I've ever seen in my life. And Ben Johnson gives me a heart attack every game. That's what I was saying. I mean, he gonna go for it on fourth and the most ridiculous situation. I'm sitting here looking at the first quarter. Like are we really not kicking this field goal right now trying to go out and no, he's not he's not. Now he he putting batteries in the backs of these players. And so like it is this moment right now where we're both saying goodbye to some Chicago sports. Like the sky we love you. We see you next year. Right. Sox tober is upon us after being a laugh and socket of professional baseball world.

4:08We back in this bitch. Sox tober. You know, when we record in this, we ain't play the game right now. So the future is all bright. You know, by the time people hearing this, you know, maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but who knows. I also know there's some people listening right now that want me to mention the other boys. Go Cubs. MVP. I see y'all ballin. I understand why y'all got excitement on that side of the red line. I'm just happy that all Chicago baseball fans have something to cheer about for the next couple of days. And so, so yeah, that's what's bringing me joy right now. The sort of the sports equinox of it all that is not all we are talking about today, right? On the show, we got some big stories we need to cover like a dangerous September for cyclists in the city. I want to put y'all on the LGBT Hall of Fame class of 2026. And then you know, we got to head over to Southside weekly to talk about the best of the South side. And then for my city cash Chicago neighbors stick around to the end.

5:08I got a special neighbors only segment for y'all with a team and I reminisce about Chicago public school lunches and the nicknames we gave ourselves and we accepted coming up as shorties in the city. But yet any less start here with unfortunately, a very tragic story. A few weeks ago, I talked anecdotally on the podcast about how my time over the last few years as a cyclist in Chicago feels like things have gotten a little safer, a little easier to navigate around the city. But unfortunately, I know that isn't the case and isn't true for every Chicago neighborhood and every Chicago intersection. And September has been a really shitty and deadly month for Chicago cyclists. And I know that this is really impacted you and your community close to home. So I want you to come in here and talk a little bit about what Chicago has been seeing over the last month. So my best friend's father and about Chicago and passed away on September 15th, a victim of a hit and run that occurred.

6:09So September 14th on Chicago Southwest side at Archer and Laramie. And the crash happened at five in the morning while Quad Martin, Madagascar Luna was literally just on his way to work. He was hit at the intersection, but his body was found several yards away down the street to help you visualize how fast this driver was going when he ran the red light. The driver's still at large. There have been no updates on the investigation in two weeks and he has survived by his four children and eight grand children. And September 26th, a vigil was held at the intersection where the crash happened. It really was quite beautiful and spurred a lot of conversation amongst a group on bike safety and lanes. The vigil included installing a white painted bike or a ghost bike at the intersection. The bike was decorated with blue and white flowers because he actually was a big cubs fan,

7:09a big disin general Chicago sports fan. He loved the bears and the cubs. And so his children wanted to decorate the colors after the teams that he cared so much about. And the vigil was organized through bike lane uprising, which is a cyclist organization committed to advocating for cyclists, bike lanes and road safety. And we're really grateful for the guidance and support that the team provided as well as the other cyclist advocacy groups like the gauge park cyclist, the Southwest collective. So there really was a lot of support throughout this entire thing from community members, the cycling community, which honestly, we didn't realize was so awesome and tight knit to be honest. I was going to say the same thing. You named a few of those collectives and I didn't realize that there was such a presence on the Southwest side. I mean, earlier this year, me and our creator producer Michelle Navarro sat down because Michelle lives off of archering now in the McKinley Park area.

8:13There was an initiative to bring more protected bike lanes. And yet there was pushback in the neighborhood with some people's flat out saying folks in this neighborhood don't bike, right? That's not for our neighborhood. This is going to be disruptive to traffic and small businesses. And so what have you heard from some of those organizations and some of those collectives about what they want to see in the neighborhood following following yet another tragedy? No, exactly what you're saying to see a story of just a working man on his way to provide. You know, support for his family is very, is a very different cyclist narrative than what's been perpetuated in the past. I think before people said that, oh, like cyclists only are on the north side. It's only for these like bougie hipsters and whatnot. And the Southwest side is very family based. We don't have like a lot of just young professionals living out there. And so there's not this like narrative of a cyclist community when in reality,

9:14people just need to get to where they need to get to and not everybody is fortunate to have access to a car 24 seven. And right now what these groups are really asking for is increasing bike lane safety. Because honestly, just having like painted lines on the road, is it necessarily a guarantee to safety? And as well, just general road safety, like why are there no speeding cameras on that intersection? When literally just a year ago, a woman was killed at that very same intersection. And we keep seeing this repetition Maria Ochoa, she was 84 years old. Exactly. We keep seeing these repeated crashes happening and there's no change being done. Like Damian Gomez's mother was at the vigil. Is she still seeking accountability for the killing of her son who was hit by speeding driver near West

10:1563rd and South Ketsie. So it's very obviously becoming a pattern and it's it's quite frustrating to see people be so hateful about cyclists. Like I haven't been when I haven't been fighting people in the common sections. I haven't like people have been so cruel like saying, well, why we see on a bike. He shouldn't have been on a bike. It's so messed up because in Brighton Park, Archer and Ketsie, avenues accounted for 57% of all serious traffic injuries or fatalities to pedestrians and cyclists between June 2024 and 2025. And so it's been a big concern for years. And the fact that it sounds like despite just how dangerous this intersection has been, there are still those who would rather prioritize vehicles. Right. I feel like especially on the South side. I think that it's easier to walk around on the North side than that is on the South side.

11:17And that might just be my personal opinion. But I don't think that that infrastructure is really set up on the South side. I see it on the North side. I don't see it on the South side. Right. I don't see it in Auburn, Grisha, when I'm driving, you know, to and from home, from the grocery store. And maybe that's why there's not that many cyclists on the South side. Right. It's not because people don't want to ride their bikes. It's because it's not safe for people to ride their bikes. I saw this general stat that said that Chicago bikes accidents have surged 46% from 2022 to 2025 with about 6,000 injuries and 11 fatalities over four years. And that's just from 2022 to 2025. He's the fourth death in Chicago this year. And that's not including the other accidents that have happened in September in the city. I had a little I'm looking at block club. Just over the past two weeks, two other cyclists were struck by drivers once in critical condition.

12:20There was that little boy that got hit in bridge view and fatally hit while the individual hit in high park and in River North. I believe remain in critical condition. The eight year old boy, Chad DB died after being hit by a vehicle while riding a e-scooter out in bridge view. Yeah, I think that was two weeks ago. Yeah. It's all happened so quickly. And I really just don't understand why people can be so nasty about people just trying to move around and live in the city. Yeah. And I mean, especially when you take into account, right? The city is expanding access to bikes. So there are more divvies, divv bikes and scooters that are available in the city. So more people are riding them. I mean, with increases in gas prices with an affordability crisis, more people are turning to cheaper ways to commute. And so alongside seeing an increase in riders in the city, I mean, I'm looking at these numbers of bike incidents from 2017 to 2026.

13:22And 2025, there was a little over 2500. In 2017, it was just 1300. And in 2026, we're already past 2100, right? And so you've seen an 80% increase in the last five or six years in the number of accidents. And so I think as we talk about the city increasing its infrastructure, when we look around and see more bikes available in the city for us to use, I think in this story in particular, I really want to call out just non-cycling Chicagoans, right? The people in the comments, the people pushing back in neighborhoods, the infrastructure changes, like these are necessary to make the city safer as more people are out on bikes each year. And so probably six or so years ago, when I wasn't cycling nearly as much as I do now, I probably wasn't the best driver on the road, right? I wasn't running red lights.

14:23I wasn't not paying attention to right of way. But I'd pass a bikeer on the street and be like, why are you out here? Why are you in this lane? MoyoS over, right? Those kind of things, but it's that kind of mentality that leads to either more aggressive driving, or more negligent driving. And so for folks who are listening who may not be cyclists themselves, I really want you to look at these numbers and to realize like you have a part to play in this as much as we are asking cyclists to be more cautious on the road and to use bike lanes and wear helmet and to stay off of the sidewalk. The drivers have a responsibility to play in this as well and to share in this as well. Though exactly, and my friend, my best friend, she was like, my dad did everything right. He had a helmet, he had his reflective gear, he was going the right away, he was signaling, he was turning. Like, he did everything he could have done. And it was the actions of other people

15:26that resulted in his death. And unfortunately, many people in the public don't want to accept that and are blaming the victim in the situation. Just give us a second before we move on. You're not any, thank you so much. You show incredible strength moving through that story, talking through those details. We watch and read some of these fatality stories in Chicago. And when it is not directly connected to us or those we know it can easily sort of roll down our backside and just watching you kind of talk through this is really, it's kind of made me emotional and choke up because it's just reminded that these aren't right just like stories online or in the paper, right? These are people's lives. These are people's family members, their grandparents, their head of households. And so I really appreciate you putting just the face on this story. Fram, so sorry for your loss.

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17:30lookingglass theater dot org that's looking glass theater dot org. To all of my listeners, I want to ask you all a question. Did you know Chicago has an LGBT hall of fame? If your answer was yes, good for you. And if your answer was no, we got you. And a Deshaun, of course, is a hall of fame or her damn self. Anna, can you inform those who may not be familiar? What is the Chicago LGBT hall of fame? Is just what people think it is. It's a hall of fame, Oderon, the best of the best of the queers out here in Chicago. And what folks also might not know is that it's the only city sanctioned LGBT hall of fame in the world right here in Chicago. And so every year, the people who have been inducted, have an opportunity to vote, but anyone can nominate somebody for the hall. And so this year, there are 13 LGBT identified folks, two LGBT identified organizations and then three friends of the

18:33community or allies. So it's not just the queers. It's also allies to the queers that can be inducted into the hall of fame as well. And I before even being inducted. What are you were you inducted because it's been around since 1991. I was inducted in 2023, which was it was one of those. I was looking up right now past past people and I was like, Oh, there's Anna the sun. Right next to Jennifer Pritzker. That's why it's one of those things that is like when it happens, you're like, wow, I think I might have made it, you know, but I used to attend the hall in induction ceremonies long before I ever got inducted one because there were sometimes friends who were being inducted, but also because there are so many stories and so many people who are making impacts in their own world that you just never know about that you never

19:34meet these people. A lot of people are doing work quietly. Not about everybody knowing their name, but the impact is such that folks say, no, you should be nominated and you should be inducted here for the work that you've done. And I've always loved that about the ceremony, some sales and one thing that's left to me about this list in particular is that there are a number of black LGBTQ folks being inducted all at one time. Now, Chelle, we be good to get one. Okay. Like, oh, we got one. I'm going to support you know, good year, maybe two this year. There are five individuals and an and an organization. I don't like wait a second. I love, I love this. And all of them span from politics to culture to entertainment. It's really beautiful to give folks their flowers. There's a reverent over here. We just, we just had that conversation recently about welcoming churches in Chicago, Reverend Dr. Albinar, Jakes is on here for fostering affirming, safe and welcoming church community for LGBTQ

20:35IA people. That's right. You know, I mean, friend of the community, we need friends. We need friends too. And so I think that this list and what I find about the list and even going to visit the website, which I recommend folks go Chicago LGBT Hall of Fame dot org. If you're interested in the history, right of Chicago, this is a great place to get it. There will be names here. You have never heard stories that you've never heard stories that deserve to be told to like endless stories folks fighting through HIV AIDS crisis. Right. Drag performers, some of your favorite politicians too. Like it is just a place where we get to celebrate and give folks their flowers now. Right. Yeah. This the ceremony is being held at the Chicago History Museum on November 5th at 5 30. I will drop a link in the show notes for you. Yet any were you familiar with the LGBT Hall of Fame?

21:35I feel like I knew of it, but I honestly never really looked into it until Anna and I put me on and then I started looking into it. I was like, Oh, okay. Okay. Period. I'm looking right now. See if I like recognize anyone. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. And people don't talk about it. It's not something that people walk around with a shirt on and say I was inducted into the Hall of Fame. That's why I've been. So you really don't know unless you know a person or you go to this site and you see their bio, but I think that it's just a really dope way to say thank you to folks and shout out to everybody being inducted. Congratulations. I hope you celebrate the moment, you know? Yeah. I mean, as we are entering into October, which of course is LGBTQ plus history month. Why do you think this isn't such an important moment, not just for these individuals, but for Chicago's broader LGBTQ community? Because the world is on fire. I was reading up on the story around Title IX and the protections that are being rescinded in this moment from the federal

22:36administration. When I think about all the legislation against our trans siblings in this moment, there is a lot impacting LGBTQ folks that is heavy, that it can feel like everything that has been fought for. We're losing, right in this moment. And so when there is something to celebrate, when we can recognize that people are working, people are fighting back in their own ways. It's an opportunity for us to be reminded that we're going to survive this moment too. You might not come out of this without any scars, but we can survive this because folks have before us and we can celebrate them in this moment, even in the midst of everything else. 100% what I really appreciate is that as you read these stories, this isn't a moment to just pedestal the singular individuals or organizations. It very much puts a spotlight on the work that they're doing. Whether it's healthcare advocacy, legal defense funds, whether it's about equitable access to housing or employment

23:40opportunities like through spotlighting these individuals and these organizations, I think we continue to share light, but hopefully can continue to funnel resources and money towards these organizations and initiatives. And so my hope is that people see this story. And if you find a person or an organization that you feel connected to, see how you can get involved in the work that they do. I think that's one of the best ways to be, you know, something we always say here is city cash, Chicago, a good and better neighbor. And so if you want to see the full list of 2026 inductees, please head to our show notes. Before we get out of here, if you are not familiar with our friends over at Southside weekly, please, please, please head over to their website now so that you can check out the best of the Southside. They've been putting this list together for the last 13 years as a celebration of community spaces, restaurants, running clubs, architecture and all the things that make the Southside

24:42the vibrant and resilient force of nature at ease. They also have some really like beautifully researched pieces that talk about the ways the Southside have come together in this error of ice terrorism. It talks about 50 years of the dwindling black population on the Southside and some of the biggest communities in the Southside and some of the biggest communities in the Southside, and some of the biggest contributors to that. But I wanted to ask our guest today as y'all made y'all way to the list. Was there anything on it that stuck out to you, something you learned, a place you wanted to give a shout out? Or if you had to contribute something to the best of the Southside list, what would it be? Did any of them start with you? The one that stuck out to me was the Vakero's run club. I was like, oh, wait, that looks really fine. I've never seen that before. I do also want to say though, I was like, when I was looking at the list, I was like, of course, they missed again, the middle Southwest side, no clearing, no gauge park, no

25:44wood lawn. Every year, they typically, like year to year, they typically are able to hit a vast swath of the Southside. There have been versions where I think like gauge park and clearing had their own section and they used to go by section. I can only assume that just based on like the number of writers they had and the number of bodies they had working on this, that they weren't able to hit as many community areas as possible. But if you go through some of their, their archive list, you will see gauge park clearing, market park getting, getting a, getting a love for show. Okay. I'm gonna have to pay attention, but I'll have to look into it. But I did have to say, I was gonna say, I asked something to the list for me to hear. Yes. Well, I guess who the Thomas lunch I'm hungry. I was thinking food. I can stop. I'm hungry. Um, but I feel like people don't know that there's actually some really gas Salvadorian food in the clearing gauge park area. My favorite is the Pupus area cafe is right on 63rd by the

26:47clearing library. Gas right on 63rd is so good. It's one of my favorite things to get an honestly, it's a lot of bang for your butt. Okay. And then my second one is a seafood place because I love some seafood. It's a Lallangosta na yadith and it's on 59th and Ketsi. Highly recommend for some good Mexican seafood. What's that 31 18 West 59th? I was just over here yesterday when I got off that plane from midway. Yeah. Look back. I should have pulled up on them. I didn't realize I was this close, but I will not forget. I will not what do you get when you go? Dude, they literally have a $45 mix tray. $45 is a big tray that has crab legs. It has crawfish in it. Shrimp muscles. $45. What you can get that anywhere. I swear. And then you just order a little CV chair on the side of the CV chase like $10 and then you're done.

27:47You're full. You're good. All right. You know, we don't have to have you put together a full list. And over to you, best of the South side. What on the list was sticking out to you or what do you want to contribute to the list? Let me tell you what I loved about the way they organized this list was it was also amplifying their own reporting and journalism. It wasn't just a laundry list, a list of a directory list. So I want to say shout out to Southside weekly for organizing it in this way. And all of the art and garden and farm spaces that it's highlighting. I'm just probably going to binge this. Yes. I've been going to this gym now for almost a year, faithfully three times a week. And I have just really loved the community. The spots called fit code and they've got two locations. They got one in Beverly on 104 Western. I didn't drill a passive for show.

28:48Yeah. And then they got one in midway 64 56 West archer. And so they've got two locations. And one thing I've enjoyed is that it's like all abilities. It's all ages. I've got folks, you know, in my class, we were like 60, 70 years old and they be getting it. Okay. You want to talk about motivation? Motivation. It's looking across from your future and being like if they can, I can't too. Okay. I love that. And I enjoy the trainers, the owner. And so I just want to get in my shout out because they I don't know Southside. It is a black on spot. Again, I want to give a shout out to the entire team over at Southside weekly. If you want to contribute something to the best at a Southside, give us some of your best organizations, some of your best restaurants, some of your best gardens. Please reach out to us at 7737 A zero zero to four six. I want to give a huge thank you to our guests today. Yet anybody, yo, I appreciate you being in the building. Appreciate y'all.

29:50And a dish on. Thank you for making time for us. It is always good to be here family coming up next. We've got your guide to a fall getaway in Illinois. Shout out to Terry reef stack the VP of destination branding and development at experience champagne or Banna. She sat down with me to share her favorite spots for fall foliage, festivals, pumpkin patches and so much more and is brought to you by enjoy Illinois. Coming up, we've got your guide to a fall getaway in Illinois. Terry reef stack VP of destination branding and development at experience champagne or Banna. Join me to share where to go for foliage, festivals, pumpkin patches and more brought to you by enjoy Illinois. Jacobi here with Terry reef stack VP of destination branding and development at experience champagne or Banna. And we've got your guide to a perfect fall getaway just a couple of hours from Chicago. You might even be able to do a little bit faster if you got me driving. Terry, welcome to city cash Chicago. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so glad that you are in the building.

30:51Fall is officially here and down the champagne or Banna. It feels like like a whole vibe where they got the colors. The festivals are going on the fight in the line. I down there for someone driving down from Chicago this season. What should they know about catching the best of it, making the most of their trip? I really think a fall as our new year in champagne or Banna so much is happening as you kind of mentioned. Let's start with foliage. Okay. One of the greatest things about our community is that we have so many trees. In fact, or Banna is a tree city USA. So when you come into town, you're going to be greeted with a lot of amazing fall colors. One of our great spots is Allerton Park and Retreat Center. It's a destination that's owned by the University of Illinois. And think of it as like Downton Abbey plopped in the middle of a bunch of farms. It's a mansion and it's 14 formal gardens and then 14 miles of hiking trails. So that is my top spot to go. I feel like we got great options about two or three hours in any

31:53direction for Chicago. Do you feel like champagne or Banna fall foliage is slept on? Like why should people put that at the top of their list? Absolutely. I think people overlook us because we're we're flat, right? But we also have these amazing outdoor experiences. We have seven great forest preserves that all have great opportunities for foliage. We've got Homer Lake, which is this really beautiful scenic area that is surrounded by lakes. Lake of the woods forest preserve is another great one. And there's this really great bell tower. So you can climb up to the top of the bell tower and look out over all the trees that surround the Sangam and River. So it's a really great experience. I think people kind of forget that because of the land that surrounds us, but the outdoors is certainly not something to be overlooked. Okay. Let's stay outdoors. You want to talk about classic fall stuff? I learned a couple of years ago that Illinois is the largest producers of pumpkins in the country. I was not familiar with that.

32:54And so I know the pumpkin patches got to be popping off down a Southern Illinois. Oh, it sure is. We have some great experiences and believe me, people are out already picking out their pumpkins. One of the top spots that we have is called the Great Pumpkin Patch. This is an Arthur Illinois, which is the heart of Amish country. And so the Great Pumpkin Patch, Matt Condal is the owner there. And he has been featured on Martha Stewart numerous times. He's decorated the magnificent mile. It's not just a pumpkin patch. It's a place that you go to learn about all these gourds and pumpkins and what they're used for. And then on the other end of the scale is Curtis orchard and pumpkin patch, which is not just a place to get your pumpkins. It's also where you can pick your apples and have that those other experiences where you're going through like different bases. They've got a great bakery there where you can get those apple doughnuts and have that cider slushy that you've really been craving for fall. And they also have award winning honey that is twice been named world's best tasting honey.

33:55So it's worth the trip. I hear you. I hear you. Do you have a fall festival, right? A weekend only festival that you are really looking forward to in October. Oh gosh. We have one Urbana fall fusion. And that is the second weekend of October, the downtown areas completely taken over. It's all the pumpkins. You can possibly imagine. And at the same time, we have a big music fest happening that weekend is the CU Folk and Roots festival. So you get two for one if you come down that weekend. Okay. I love that. You've put me on to all of these local farms. So where's the place where I can get a taste of what the community has to offer? Yeah. You definitely want to go to Prairie fruits farm and creamery. They make goat cheese and their goat cheese has been named one of the top 60 cheeses in the world. Some of you in Chicago might be familiar with it because it is served at several restaurants there in the Chicago area. Okay. The great news is is that they have their own farm to table restaurant right there on site. It's a really incredible experience, but not only do you get to eat

34:55there, but you can go on a hike with the goats. They're going to be doing. If you come down over Halloween, they do let they dress up the goats. And you can hang out with the goats while they're in costume. And it's a sustainable farm. So they like to give tours and showcase, you know, why this type of farming practice is really important in terms of like climate change and educating people on these sustainable practices. Oh, I love this. So that's all during the day. But I'm hearing that there's also a dark sky park out there. I'm big city. I looked at that and I was like, I context clues. I figured it out. But exactly what exactly is that? Yeah. A dark sky park is when you have eliminated light pollution so that in our forest preserve, middle fork river forest preserve, you are able to get the best view in Illinois of the dark sky. And so this particular forest preserve has a campsite. It does close at the end of October. So if you are into camping, I highly recommend going out there and getting a campsite before them. And there is a dark sky trail.

35:57So you can go out on the trail and that's where they have kind of cleared everything so that you can see the stars very easily. I got you. Terry, thank you so much for joining us today. If y'all made it to this point in the conversation to start planning your own fall trip to Champaign, Urbana had to experience CU or from more ideas. Thanks for listening to the city cash Chicago. Thank you, Jacobi. I really appreciate it the time. One more thing before we close this episode out. Some good news. You can experience this beautiful sunset from the Chicago River this week during a sunset paddle at park number 571. It's in the bridge port McKinley Park area. You do have to register in its five bucks. I'm a drop a link for you in the show notes. Trust me, somebody who be out here kayaking all the time. $5 is a good price. So get on it. As always, I appreciate y'all for listening, reading, making time for our little old podcasts. Can't believe we've been doing this for five years.

36:59I'd love to do it for another five, but that starts with tomorrow. I'll talk to you then. Peace.