Debate: Is This A 'Make Or Break' Season For Jalen Hurts?

0:00anything like that. But I knew how to zip it in. Look at this football guy over here watching the safes. So I would pick the play where you know, I would have this, I could run the slant. So I would just run the slant, cut the, cut the, the safety of him. And that can't be an injustice. He didn't, he didn't adjust it. sat there and cover two all day. All right. 215, 592. We want to take this out. 94, 94. Yesterday, how he rose been on the morning. So that's on the, yeah, you could jackal to be. I can teach you. Yeah, I'll know to play. I like, I don't know because I like it better when, when I don't know how to play. I'll beat him and they get mad. I need, I need someone to bid and be Hugh Douglas. That's what I need. Yesterday on the morning show, how he rose been said he did not agree with Joe to cameras. assertion that this is a maker break year for jail and her sister main Eagles franchise quarterback. I disagree with, with how he, I, I don't buy it because that nothing's lining up to say that. And GM's lie. This is not a, it's not a knock on how we, it's not a specific thing to how we all them lie because they have to, they have to maintain leverage. They have to try to calm the fan base. They have to try to make their player feel the best they can to get the most out of them. So of course, how he shouldn't

1:01want jail and to feel some level of security entering the season. If he did the opposite, it would be an arkiar around here. So he could say it. I just don't buy it. I'm curious where you come down a week or so before the season. Do you believe this is truly a maker break year for Hertz? And do you buy what how he's saying yesterday? It's the midday show and Chris, the middle town starts us off on WIP. Chris. Good morning, man. Good morning, Chris. Guys, I have to finish my call with some important information as they continue my investigation and to Benedict Douglas. But first, can I, let me, let me get to this. So 10, oh three a.m. Immediately already, we are getting no close Douglas already vacant in appearance. Yeah. Yeah. You were talking about looking good without close. And that's how you sort of share. Like, like, like, I'm just saying, as we get old, Chris, we can't be run around looking like, you know, like, you know, stuff, stuff in the 10 pound bag. Help me out. You know, I bought the two star cars. You, you, you, I, you're calm down. Good job putting yourself together. Yeah. Yeah.

2:02Trying to get myself together, man. You I, I, I, I understand the point. The point is valid. Nobody wants to look like telephobia from San Diego. I, I, I understand that. Say that. Aaron, we don't, I don't, I don't need, I don't need those images at 10 o'clock from a man putting that, you see, you understand what I'm saying here? It's like the glizzy thing with you. You know, maybe it's just just, just, just, okay, let's move on. Um, so guys, um, what the hell it is? Was that noise that when, um, how, you know, Joe was talking and you were asking the question about Jalen and how he was in the background? Like, you got to go back and listen to that because he was kind of a kind of suspicious noise going on there. Kind of sound like a little weasel type noise. Oh, we could go back and listen again. We could play it again. Alright, but what do you think? Listen, this is clearly a, a, a, a, make it or break season, Joe, you're a hundred percent on point here. If, if Jalen hurts, continues down this path of mediocrity, like he has, like last year, and he's going to

3:03be gone. And how he's actions speak louder than his words. I mean, how he's, he's a snake low salesman. Like, you can't believe anything he's saying. Like the guys like talking one thing and like, he's probably got a sandwich pocket grab his cash. But listen, it, it, he believes in Jalen, he would have already given him an extension. So it's very clear. How he has no problem throwing money at players that he believes in. Listen, there's, he, he pays them early and often. We know that. I mean, look at what he did with fake ones, fake one rush for 2000 years at yards. I'm sorry. And one, the team was super bowl and was the main reason for that super bowl. So how he went through money at him. He didn't have any, he didn't even have to. He just went out and threw money at him. So he paid barkley, not Jalen. And Jalen sitting there, I feel like in this case, Jalen sitting there like, like that movie Oliver twist, like he's sitting there and he's like, please, sir, I want some more. And, and how he's just not, not given it to him. How he is putting the

4:08Eagles in position and all of their money in capital to draft the young gun or more importantly, go get the jewel out there and bring in Burrell. But let me give you the quick update into Benedict. Here's here's some more incriminating evidence that I've uncovered. You guys, Joe, do you recall when that finalist worm, Cowboy Jim asked you what offense will score more points this season? Yeah. Jalen hurts his Eagles or the cowboys. Yeah. Cowboys. And and you and fatically, we all heard him say, it's clearly DAC and because that's the better quarterback and his Cowboys. And you know what? He said those words out loud on WIP out loud. I heard it verbatim. I mean, just the fact that you endorse his DAC so loudly and spits on the Eagles. I mean, it's just so clear that you know, you're a cop, cause a cowboy fan and you honor, I don't know. I mean, you got to answer for your trans

5:12gash transgashions here. Guys, have a good day. Take care, man. You got it. There you go, Chris. We might have to trap the trial of few Douglass at some point. I mean, a lot of Dallas Cowboys. No, but you, but we remember what happened in 2024 when you were Benedict Arnold Douglass on the radio in Carolina saying the Eagles beat nothing but to make it. Committed hands. They did. Well, that's not true. That story tracks and then they went to the Super Bowl. Right, but it doesn't track because at that point, they had just beaten the commanders, the Ravens and the Rams, who had three teams that all played in like the championship games that year. I remember, I remember like, I think my story to way I told it was a whole lot better. But that doesn't mean it's true. I mean, everyone likes to weave stories around here. How we roast been huge story. Story weaver. Yeah, that's where you are. You're a story weaver. Bottom line. I mean, that you can say, I do one thing, you know, one thing Chris said there is spot on. And that is action. Speak louder than words in sports, right? Yeah, executives talk a lot of stuff. And that's why when you said what you said, even though you caught him a bow phase line and I don't agree with that. But how did you frame what he did? Fibber, uh, misremembered. Missed remember misspoke. Miss remember. Okay. Misspoke.

6:14Misspoke. That sounds twisting the truth a little bit. It's because he's a, he's a salesman. And he's supposed to be. I mean, how he did nothing wrong yet. I want to make that clear. It just sounds so agree just when you say, oh, you're lies. Well, I don't buy it. I just, I don't buy it. You don't lie or hits a little bit different. Okay. When you say you're a liar. Okay. It does. Um, if we put how we on a lie detector yesterday, do you think like, you know how we did that? We had the guys. Oh, yeah. I don't, I think it would have been buzzing and beeping when he said it's not a maker break here. You're not your liar. I'm just, I just, well, I'll put it this way. Maybe this is a nice way to say I don't buy it. He could say it. I don't buy it. I just, you shouldn't. It is set up to be a maker break here. And obviously, it's the best for the Eagles if he plays well because then they could just keep him, extend his contract. That's great. But if he does, I don't think he's going to run this thing back like nothing happened here. They're going to have big choices to make. And the actions just speak louder than words. Let's just be honest. The Eagles. So right now, Jalen Hertz has a $31 million cap hit, which is pretty high, not outrageous, but pretty high. Next year, it goes to 42 million. That's, that's pretty high. Then 47. So like the best way, if they're committed to him,

7:17the best thing for him and the team would be to extend his contract low with that cast, but they didn't do it. And that to me speaks louder than anything. How we could say to the morning show yesterday, let's go to, um, go to juice in South Philly. Hey, juice. Who? What's up? Who? What's up, Joe? What's up, man? All right, Joe. I think you're out of your rocker. Okay. I think you're crazy on this one. Why? Why? So because so in life in today's world that we live in, there's a lot of times that people form their own opinions of things. And then when they're here with the facts, the facts, the person actually speaks it out of their mouth. They say, I don't believe that person. You know why they don't believe them? Why? Because it doesn't fit their agenda. So here's what I'm saying to you. Just like you say how we can't come on the air and say, oh, yeah, Jalen, you know, on the hot seat, dot, dot, dot, right. You can't come on the air after how we

8:19already said what he said, you can't come on the air to next day and be like, you know what? I was wrong. Jalen, you know, on the hot seat, how he said it himself. Well, sure, good. I said, sure I could. He just said, no, no, no, you couldn't go. Cause just like you're saying with how we, it would, it would, it would ruin your credibility. Just like it would ruin how is credibility of how he came on and told us the truth. I totally disagree. I'd not, I'd say, no, I totally disagree. How is job is to protect the Eagles and to put the Eagles in the best spot. So he has to say things that protect the franchise. My job is not to do that. My job is to get my, I changed my mind all the time. I don't care if I, if I, if I mind change my mind changes. If there is a point in this season where Jalen plays great, let me finish. If there's a point, if there's a point in this season where Jalen plays great and I think that he should be resigned and they will, I will say, man, I doubted him. I was wrong. Let's sign them up. Like I don't, I don't care. I'll just change my mind any day. All right. So let me, you, you're going to be the voice

9:20to reheat the voice or reason. All right. Check this out. If someone told you and said, hey, I heard juice said such and such, right? Mm hmm. All right. But you and I just had a conversation. Oh no, my fat. You come to me afterwards. And I talked to you and I'm, and I say, you know, you said, did you say such and such? And I'm like, no, I mean, you know, I never said that. Whatever. Are you going to believe me? Are you going to believe the person that came to you with, with the thing? I'm just saying more than likely you'd probably believe me because we're two grown men having a conversation. Why would I doubt you? Correct? Well, yeah. I would, I would look at your body language and see how, how you, you know, the eye contact or whatever. Yeah. I would probably give you the benefit of that. Yes. But I'm going to ask. Right. Okay. Right. Exactly. Of course. Right. So I understand why Joe asked the question that he asked. And when you go back and listen to it, I, I kind of thought to just to go off of, um, um, what was it? Aaron had just called Chris Chris.

10:24Chris Chris. Yeah. Chris yet. My bad. Oh, I'm so sorry. Because he ain't there. Right? Yes. Anyway, anyway, um, I thought I heard how we chuckle a little bit. I didn't hear no reservation or anything. I thought he actually, I heard a snicker when he said that because if, if I'm being honest with you, I think it's borderline insanity that you can have a man that wins 70 something percent of his games as a starter period, including the playoffs. 70 something percent of his games as a five year starter, who was on a whole thing trajectory. And because he doesn't aesthetically look correct to the fans and the people watching. They want to get rid of him with no plan whatsoever to replace him. Well, a couple of the couple things off that. We want to get rid of all the issues. A couple of things off that. I just, I totally just don't go off the premise. You do. He, he, he doesn't have the wins. The team has the wins. I don't look

11:25at quarterback that way. Teams win football games. Now he's a part of it. And obviously a big part of it at times. But I, like, when you frame it that way, it's crazy. But I think it's crazy to look at football that way. Quarterbacks don't win and lose games in my opinion. Teams win and lose games. So I don't look at it that way. And the other part is his job is to lead the offense, the offense sucked last year. That's, that's not, that's a problem with juice. Like we, we got to, we got to accept that. Yes. You know, that's not a problem. It's 11 wins. 50 wins in a four year. Juice, where you have to have last, where you happy with last season, last season was disappointing. Listen, were you happy in, in 86 and 87? I said, I said, juice, well, I was too young for any six. I was too, no, no, but juice, I, I've said this last week, we, we got to graduate past this juice. This isn't the 1970s or 80s juice. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Eagles have gone to a different stratosphere. We have to accept it. They're not the 80s and 90s Eagles anymore. This is a premier organization. So the, so say, they're all part of it, juice.

12:31They are all part of it. They are, they are all sure he is, but he didn't play well last season. Bottom line. Just like if a left tackle to imply, just like if a left tackle to imply, well, I'd say they should think about replacing him. They're all part of it. Okay. There is a fear in this city that the Eagles are going to turn back into pumpkins because they were in the 80s and 90s for a lot of times. That's over. That's over. They are a great organization. They will be fine and they have moved off so many players that were good and they kept winning. So I'm not saying that, I'm not saying Jaylons that's going to be out of here, but if he doesn't play well, yes. Of course they should move on. That sports. I'd go that sports juice. Well, that's, that's right. You call me wrong. That's fine. We appreciate the phone call. Call me wrong. I mean, that, that's a lot. I like juice, but that's a lot. Bottom line is this. I just think we are, we have some as we have memories of a goldfish as sports fans. Literally a month before he traded cars to once, he said he's like fingers on his hand. He can't imagine living without him. He traded him a month later. All GM's say things publicly because it makes things calmer within

13:37the fan base. It makes everyone feel good. It doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't even mean they actually believe it. So, you know, I just, I don't buy what how he said yesterday. I appreciate him for saying it. I think he's an incredible at playing the game, the media game and making people feel a certain way and make them feel good into the season. That's his job. I just don't buy it. All right. Let's also hear this from how he rose from here because he said something else yesterday. It was interesting. I hadn't thought of this comparison, but I do think there is some, something to this that was, you know, maybe on point. Let's hear how it yesterday. It's kind of a long answer. Stick with it. How he rose from yesterday asked about the backup quarterback situation and he compared it to another pretty special year in Eagle. But I, I thought, now look, some people might hear that and say, did he just really compare some combination of Andy Dalton or Tannen McKee to Nick Folls? Good. He did. He, I do remember what he's talking about though. And he's not wrong and obviously Bob went back and kind of looked at what people were saying and writing at that time. He knew Nick Folls had an elbow issue in the summer of 2017. By my recollection, he didn't play much in the preseason or well. And I remember us talking then. Should they go get

14:41another backup quarterback? Right? Because at that point of false career, he didn't play well with the Rams. Right? He didn't, he didn't know what you're going to get. He was a backup with the chiefs. He came back here. They, now they paid him way more than they're paying Andy and Tanner. Let's be clear that they invested in him as a backup. But they believed in him. Yeah, but he didn't do much that summer. So I do remember what he's talking about. And there was a little bit of consternation. And then obviously six months later, Nick Folls is holding a lumbarity. So he felt like his point was don't get caught up in the summer, get caught up in the track record. And he was saying the track record of Andy and or Tanner is better than they showed this summer. That's what I was like. Basically like with a, when, when, when Tapa was here, he said, look at the back of the baseball card. Yes. Yeah. And you know what? That, that's the thing. When you talk about them having four quarterbacks for us as fans, it makes no sense. But for them, it makes all the sense in the world to have four backups because they feel like those guys bring something different to the table. It's tough, man, especially when we're a big fans of this squad and we, we watch them every day and we try to glean as much information as we can

15:42every day from them. But yeah, they, they have their fingers on the pulses. And until anything happens, you got to kind of, I guess you got to kind of believe in how even though he's a big fat liar. I didn't call him big fat liar. Big fat liars. No, I didn't say big fat. I didn't say big fat. Big fat liar. Yes, they call him a big fat liar. You didn't buy what he said either, making me out of the bag. I'm not making out of the bad guy, but he said what he's supposed to say in that mode. I agree. Big fat liar. I agree. So there's two parts. So he could, I can appreciate that he, he didn't tell the whole truth yesterday about jail on earth. Well, also not believing what he said about you. Big fat liar. Well, you keep saying. And I just, I don't buy it for a second. The top of comparison you made is kind of interesting because it's true. And the false comparison is interesting. But you know what I kept saying about the back of the baseball card. Eventually, it's going to end. Let's use the Castellanos, right? Like people use that for two years. And guess what? He now he's coaching his kids team or something. He can't play anymore. Sounds a little disrespect. What is it true? I'm just saying the way you said it. Well, because because not the league, right on the league. Like the point, but it's still,

16:46it's still sound eventually the back of the card falls off. Like someone probably said that about Hugh Douglass in 2005 back of the back of the football card. And then he was sitting here with Angela. It caused a trouble. Yes. Again, I'm just, I'm just saying the truth. I'm just saying the truth that my point is my point is I like what how he said on that. But just because Nick Foles came through, doesn't mean Andy Dalton's going to turn back. You're right. You're right. You should have died some time and it don't work out. Right. Right. You know, one, one doesn't necessarily equal the other, even though there I see a similarity. All right. 215 592 94 94. Come back. We had everyone's phone calls here. We got a lot to discuss. Do you own hurts? Do you buy what how he said? Is this a maker break year for Joe and Hertz? I think it clearly is. I don't buy what how he said. Even though I would have said the same thing if I was him. Your phone calls and all that. We'll get to the fills as well who did lose yesterday. But my excitement for where they're going has not changed. And I'm excited for what's starting tomorrow. A true division race in the month of September. We'll get to all that midday show sports radio 94 WIP. Hugh Douglas Joe, Julia, guys, but I said 215 592 94 94. We'll get to the fills who lost yesterday.

17:51But I there's a lot, a lot with the fillies coming up in the next few weeks that is fast. It including Andrew Painter what they do with him as we come down the stretch. And this division race, which really rives up tomorrow night is the fillies are just four backs seven games play against the race starts tomorrow night here in Philadelphia. We start though with what how he said yesterday. Do you buy it? That liar. Now I see you keep throwing the big fat in there. I didn't say that. Big fat liar. I just said I don't buy it. I don't buy it. You did start a show of car, my liar. I didn't say big fat. But you got a big fat. Big fat is worse. Big fat liar is worse than regular liar. No, that's what you're saying. Yeah, the funniest part is you don't buy it either. No, but it's this way. I'm just saying how he's how he's uh what's the word I like to misremembering. He's his own take. He's smoozing a little bit. You know, you can't you can't give everybody everything. I can't. I think what he said yesterday is best for the team. It's best for Jail and Hurts. It's best for the same game, man. Right, but you know, you know, here's what I do. I speak out. And he believes in Jail and you know what else he said yesterday that we're kind of glossing over. Is he says something to the effect of we've won a lot with him. Sure,

18:53they have. And you know, when you talk about do quarterbacks hard to find, man. Joe, they are so great quarterbacks are hard to find the product. The production we got last year is not hard to find. Quarterbacks are hard to find last year's production hard to find. Quarterbacks are hard to find. Are you going to let me? You want to answer my question? I am asking your question. Okay, you finished the last question. Jail and had he had a sub part year, but when you look at it, we look at his numbers. He was a little bit like when you look at his number, just compared to Josh Alice numbers. He was like 10 points off of being like like passive rating or whatever. And he was like 400 yards off from having the same amount of yards that Josh had passed. So I mean, it was it wasn't what we expected, but it wasn't that agreed. Do you? All right, remove. Who he is? What he's done? Do you think how much he gets paid is equals the production. I get that. That's and you know what? That's what we're talking about. But when you talk about the overall results, because Josh Allen makes more money than him, right? Yeah, he's any better. Yeah, but he

19:57encompasses as much as Jay. Well, I mean, when you, when you, we got scores more touchdowns than anyone that leave, when you talk about a bottom line business, because that's what we talked about the bottom line. Right. No one's one more game is the bills last five years. And the whole. No, but what I'm saying is, he goes to one. He goes one to serve ball. That's what I'm saying. But that's the bottom line. Right. Bottom line is when the super bowl. And, and you have a quarterback, whether it good or bad, that's all he cares about. Well, then why didn't they get in the contract? I mean, like everyone tells me this. I'm just saying he has to play better. I'm not dispute now. We found comment. I'm not dispute. And that he has to play better, but he didn't play that bad last year. I think it's one. Yeah, it was pretty bad last year. He's played way better in the past. And I think I need, they need him to play a lot better. Two, one, five, five, nine, two, here's the thing. Ninety four, ninety four. I speak howie. I've listened to how we speak for so long. I can decode the real, the not real. And that, I mean, my, the radar went off yesterday. Like, no, no, no, I didn't mean this. Well, the North East is up. What's up, Will? Oh, man, listen, come on, Joe. We got my goodness, man. You buy what how we said yesterday? Well,

21:08they fat live. I've been bored. He was even selling. But listen, man, let me just say this. Right. Let me say this about Jaylin. That is what I want you. As soon as if they were good, he's dumb enough. I'm a say, dumb enough to let Jaylin go. That's what so as they say that, his phone won't be ringing off the hook for at least 10 to 15 teams, bro. So it don't make no other, not 15. Well, 50's not, there's not 15 teams. We'll store it. Not there's not 15. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. This is my truth. Right. But I'm sorry, at least 10 teams. What we call in any more. It don't matter. It don't matter. If, you know, if we believe that Jaylin is our dude and lot, man, only thing he's been doing. And I know y'all get tired of hearing it because I get tired of hearing y'all. He said not y'all. But people keep saying that Jaylin, oh, he's not, this is not that. But that's what I do is win. He wins. And I know you get tired of hearing it.

22:11Well, let me ask you this, Joe. If you had to pick and you know, you know, you know, owner and you're the jail. If you had to pick between stats and winning, what you want? Would you pay? Well, I would pick winning. But why can't I have both? Well, when did we come with the site? When did we come with this idea that you can't score more points in Win football games? I don't understand where this came from. You can. And let me ask you one more question. Right. Now, say we do get really jail in hurts, right? How low do you give the net quarter back up to learn the system? How low do you give them? I mean, I depends on who I mean, did they do they get a veteran that's played for a while? Or are they getting a rookie? Because that's different. A veteran of veteran or someone coming out of college? Yeah, well, I think it's different. I mean, right, like if they draft a player, we probably have to give him a year or two to get to a point where you believe they could go win a surb or something or get there or whatever. But well, but if they get a vet, if they trade, if they trade for another established starter, then I think the expectations would be, yeah, right away. My point is exactly, though, you just say

23:16even if he's a vet or a feasible, you give him at least two seasons, right? So why are we hopping on there? We're going to get rid of jail and then one thing. I think we're, I think we're missing the guys. I think we're missing. There is no, we're missing that there is no guarantee that his play stays at this level or doesn't get worse. Like what? Has anyone considered that last year was the beginning of his decline? Has anyone considered that? Okay, I have. I mean, well, we'll purchase the phone. I have players decline all all stages of their career here. It doesn't always happen in age 37. Sometimes it happens at age 27. It's just like, you don't know. And I think specifically mobile quarterbacks that take a lot of hits and run, they tend to fall off faster. Like when it happens, it happens. Cam Newton was done at 30. I'm not saying that's going to be jail. And I think jailin will whip it a last and a legal while, even if he's play is falls a little bit because he'll be around. But there's like the idea that this, that this, this production he's had for the first five or six years will last for the next five or six.

24:17I don't know that. I don't know. You know, it's funny, Joe. And I hear what you're saying. And there's some validity to what you're saying. But, but, but there was so much that was going on with this team last year. I think it's kind of hard for people to fathom that it's all going, Jayla. Now that's why he get that's why this year is such a tell here, right? Yeah. And, and, and with that being said, some of it was Jayland. And, and I've said that, and even when you say that, people still get upset, offensive line was hurt. It's obvious that the Eagles felt by some of the moves that made off season that it was a, it was a perfect storm of coach, who was a stoutlin, his offense being a little antiquated or his blocking, excuse me, his blocking scheme being a little antiquated and Kevin Poutulo, you know, not being the coordinator that you need him to be. So it was a perfect storm of everything. And Jayland was a part of that. But I don't believe that Jayland has fallen off to the point where, you know, it's, it's, you know, make a break. Now, he has to play better. There's no question about that. And when you talk about quarterbacks, man,

25:21the fact that I woke up this morning and who was it? Kurt Cousins is starting at quarterback. That tells you everything you need to know about. I mean, they just wanted to give me those a little time to get ready, right? They have the number one overall thing about it though. Most quarterbacks in that position, they played it. Oh, I agree. They're doing it different way. But like, they have a quarterback. He's just not playing right now. Right? He'll be their quarterback. But you're right. And the Kirk cousins is going to start week one for the Raiders. 215, 592, 94, 94, that's a hopper. Or come back at all your phone calls and, let's talk about those fills. They lost yesterday. But what a road trip it was. And here we go for the NLEs. That's all coming up next midday show sports radio 94 WIP. Hey, good people. Y'all know I love my bourbon. And I mean, I like good bourbon. My bourbon of choice is none other than what for reserve the official bourbon of the Kentucky Derby. And this month we're celebrating national bourbon heritage month. And trust me, if you're going to honor America's spirit, you have to do it the right way. We're talking about raising a glass of the most elite crafty steel whiskey on the planet because in month this big deserves a bourbon this good. How should

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