DEEP DIVE: DR. TOMASZ KOSOWSKI

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1:28Welcome to the deep dive or the difference between a conspiracy and the truth is six months. It's me, Jack. I'm here with Lex. Just another week. I'm very excited about today's episode. Me too. So, Jack just got home from a European vacation and because we had done all of our content in advance, I basically had like 10 days left to my own devices. And I'm not kidding. I watched every second of the trial. We're going to discuss today and the one we're going to discuss next week. How do you watch every second? Do they have it streaming somewhere? How do I? YouTube. Oh, because I've only watched trials via just clips that come up on my feed on TikTok before. Oh, no. And you let me know. So, we started YouTube. We have a first degree YouTube. We signed up for YouTube Premium. So you want the log in, Jack. You can watch stuff uninterrupted, add free through court TV. This isn't an ad, by the way. But basically, I work from my bed with my laptop. Yeah.

2:28And I take notes and I just have the trial on all day and I watch it. I have it in the background for like eight hours because it streams live. Oh my God. Okay. That's great. You know, sometimes I need some daytime TV. I'm not a daytime TV watcher, but sometimes I am. And I always just try to find a random true crime show on Hulu. But this, this is opening up new possibilities. It's how I watch Lindsay Clancy. It's how I watched this case that we're covering today, which is going to be the Dr. Thomas Kazowski case, the psychoplasic surgeon. That's what we're talking about today. But I also did it with the Caleb Flynn case, which I was out just now. And basically they found him guilty, which we'll talk about it next week. But I have to rewatch it. I need to watch the verdict. I was, oh my gosh. When I was out of the house. Well, I can't wait because Alexis has been glued to YouTube Premium watching this whole thing. Not only scene, not an ad. I have only seen what I've seen on TikTok, which has been so fucking insane.

3:28I actually sent something to our group chat. I'm like, what the hell is this? And Alexis is like, I know every single fact about this case period, period. So we're going to get into it. Before we do, of course, I have to remind everybody. If you want more first-degree content, you can do that. We have this thing called the Underground. We have a brand new episode every single week for you. We have backlogged episodes, hundreds of them. You will never run out of shit to listen to. How do they join the Underground? You can join through Patreon or you can join through the Apple app, the Apple subscriptions. And yeah, those are the two best ways to do it. And you get a seven-day free trial on Apple subscriptions. You can cancel, but you shouldn't because it's pretty awesome. And it's what keeps our podcasts afloat. It's all of your guys' support, so we love you so much. Okay. Let's get into the case. Tell me everything because, oh my God. Okay. If you haven't been following or haven't heard of it, basically here we have Dr. Tomas Kuzowski and the victim is Steven Kozy.

4:30Okay. Now, I'm going to just start by explaining how the case unfolded. So it all began at 11.46 a.m. When the Largo Florida police officers were dispatched to a law office called Blanchard Law on March 21st, 2023. Now, the call came from some co-workers in the office and they basically said, you know, Steven Kozy, our co-worker, a lawyer was just here. He got up from his desk and he's gone. And you go look at his desk, his phone is there, his wallet is there, his keys are there. He was in the middle of writing an email and he had music playing. Now, and then he just vanished, okay? He never went back to his desk. He was gone for before they called 911. So 11.46 a.m. is basically when they called the police. He had arrived at work around, well, he had gotten up to go to the bathroom at 9.50.

5:32Okay. Police were called at 11.46. So he had a hearing that he had to log into who did it remotely at 10.30 that he never showed up for, which was like completely uncharacteristic. Yeah. Now, remember that hearing because this comes in a play later. But super weird. Like, so imagine being at your work and someone just gets up, I'm going to the bathroom and they disappear. Yeah. Very weird. Now, the reason why the police were called eventually is not just because Steven Kozy disappeared after going to the restroom, but the owner of the law firm would become one of Steven's best friends walked into the restroom and there was blood everywhere. Oh. That'll be a reason. I was going to say, wow, those co-workers are really like, they're on their shit because, you know, I don't know if I would call the police if someone is just missing for like an hour or so. So that makes more sense. His car was also still in the parking lot.

6:34So they were like, but like the blood in the bathroom was really the reason, right? Okay. So obviously the police officers come and they don't really know what they're dealing with, but they go in the bathroom and they're like, oh shit, there is blood in here. They found blood on the toilet, on the floor, on the walls of the stalls. And at the moment, they didn't know whose blood it was, but slowly this picture is coming to focus like Steven Kozy's missing. What the hell, right? Now it's terrifying. And when they're realizing that Steven Kozy is like still nowhere to be found, they call his husband and his husband's like, no, I haven't heard from him. The husband runs to the office. Suddenly they're like, something is very wrong here. Now the police turn to the co-workers and they're like, does anyone have a problem with Steven Kozy at all? And they're thinking about it, okay? But first they turn to the surveillance footage and here's what they see. They see that morning at 8.32 a.m. Before Steven Kozy arrived, a gray Toyota Tundra truck entered the parking lot.

7:40Two minutes later, at 8.34, a man wearing gloves, a surgical mask, and carrying a large box entered the building. Don't mean okay. Three minutes later, Kozy arrived at his work as normal and walked into his office. Then at 9.50 he goes to the restroom. Kozy's never seen again. Then at 10.22 a.m., surveillance showed the masked man leaving the building pulling a small wagon that appeared extremely heavy. Then the man abandons the wagon outside of the Toyota Tundra but gets inside. Then he stays in his truck till 11.05 a.m. This is all super weird. This guy pulling out lugging a very heavy wagon, blood in the bathroom. They're like holy shit. Did someone murder Steven Kozy and wheel his body out? Was this done in a communal bathroom while everyone was there? Yeah, that is insane and broad daylight with cameras and people and that's nuts.

8:44Now here's really where they're like, okay, do you guys know anyone who would want to hurt Steven Kozy? They go, yeah actually. So there's a plastic surgeon named Tomas Kazowski and tension had been brewing between Steven Kozy and Kazowski for months. Now a little TLDR on Kazowski, he was a plastic surgeon who'd worked with a medical practice called Lofer Institute of Plastic Surgery. Now in May of 2019, he sued his former practice and associates. He claimed he'd been deprived of money, blah, blah, blah. Now Blanchard Law, which is where Steven Kozy worked, was representing those associates who Tomas was suing. Okay. Eventually, Tomas Kazowski decided he was going to represent himself in this civil litigation, which will become a recurring theme later down the line. But because of that, he started dealing with Steven Kozy directly as opposing lawyers, like Steven Kozy's representing the people who the doctor is suing.

9:46And things apparently started to get increasingly contentious. It's really aggressive and like being a lawyer is pretty adversarial just like as it is, but it never really gets personal. People understand like this is your job, whatever. But apparently in January of 2023, there was a deposition that was being held in person at Blanchard Law Office, which is where Steven Kozy went missing. In Tomas showed up for this deposition. And apparently Steven Kozy went to the bathroom, the same one that he would eventually be murdered in. And the doctor confronted him in the bathroom, followed him in there and called him a scumbag and said, I'm going to win this lawsuit. Oh, shit. Okay. Now, that's really bad. Okay. He even to that point was starting to like try to get Steven Kozy removed from the lawsuit, like seemed to single Steven Kozy out specifically. Now the cops are like, okay, but could this really lead to violence?

10:47I mean, this isn't, people hate opposing lawyers. Like that's kind of the game. Yeah. You could see why they'd be skeptical, right? Oh, yeah. Well, here's another thing. So do you remember that 1030 hearing that Steven Kozy was supposed to log into that he never shut up to? Oh, I wonder what it was for. That hearing was with Dr. Tomas Kazowski. He was scheduled to be at that hearing as well. And if you remember what the police saw with the surveillance, what the guy got into his truck at, you know, 1028 or 1022 and didn't emerge till 1105. He got in the truck. They're like, oh my God, did the doctor log into the court hearing with Steven's dead body right outside the tunnel? Sandra, after murdering him. Now, apparently those who attended the hearing, which includes one of Steven Kozy's associates

11:52who was in a neighboring office, the doctor was like, Steven Kozy's not here. Well, I want him removed from this case was disparaging Kozy for not being on the call after allegedly, presumably murdering him and having his body right outside his car. Oh, my God. So he logged in in his truck for this. It was, he could phone in. It was, it was like he could log in. He could be there via video conference or he could log in via phone and he logged in via phone. Holy shit. Wow. Can you guys see? That is so crazy. It's so at the, so while he is logging into this, the video conference, his body is outside of his car in this wagon. That is the working theory. That is the working theory. Okay. So holy moly. I know. So the husband is also telling the police like, this isn't a normal thing. Like Steven told me about this guy. He was so worried about it. We got pepper spray. Like we could tell that this guy like was fixated on Steven Kozy for some reason.

12:57Right. So the police are like, okay, we have this truck, right? So basically what they do is they camera hop the tundra across the area. A public transit bus captures the camera at 1124, still carrying this like wagon in the back with something very heavy in it. Okay. And they're basically tracing it across public cameras. Now here's what's crazy. They haven't found the doctor yet, but they're investigating along the way. And it gets so much more nuts. Now apparently they're talking to people at the building and it turns out one week before Steven Kozy disappeared on March 14th. An employee at branch of law at the building had discovered a man hiding in a dark utility electrical closet from the bathroom where the murder would occur. Now when confronted this man who was wearing a surgical mask said that it was because of

13:57a power outage. He was there and left. But the employee followed the guy because she was so sketched out and said that the guy left in a gray Toyota tundra. So the same truck seen leaving with that heavy cart. Okay. What's even crazier is that the lady who found him also found a big box from Amazon for a big collapsible wagon. Oh my god. Now because there are multiple people, multiple like businesses in this building, she didn't know who it belonged to. Like because apparently a veterinary office was also in one of the sweets and they're like, this was a communal bathroom for several businesses. I'm sure you've seen things like that. Yeah. So she's like, what if it belonged to the vet? What if like they didn't really that weird of a thing to have where it's like, yeah, if they're other businesses or whatever. But it means that whoever apparently killed Steven Kozy broke in a week before inserted planting the evidence they would need to do it. That is so insane.

14:57Diabolical. Insane. So obviously they're like, okay, this truck has got to belong to the doctor. Interestingly, it was never registered. It was a new purchase, but it had new jersey plates on it. So they're like trying to figure out where he is. But they're looking for him all over Florida. And they finally detained him four days after Steven Kozy vanished and they pulled him over. But he was driving a red Toyota Corolla, which was his car. Interesting. They searched the vehicle. Really interesting things, masks, ski masks, binoculars, duct tape, a crowbar, a stun gun, knives, scissors, needles, and certain drugs to inject people, which is a paralytic, to keep to render people like helpless, basically, not sketchy at all. They also found $22,000 in cash, firearms, ton of shit. Okay. So which is weird that he has now all of this stuff in his new car after he had already murdered that guy. So it's like, what is all of this for when the job has already been done?

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18:09of cleaning products to clean it up, wheeled his body out in this wagon. By the way, everyone's at the office. This was all what everyone was at work. I'm like, what if somebody went into the bathroom? This is actually the craziest thing I've ever heard because it's like, if you want to murder somebody, I'm sure he knew where he lived. I'm sure he knew where he, I'm sure he was stalking him for a while, like to decide to do it in the middle of the day when there's people around and cameras and etc. Like I said, somebody could have easily just walked into that bathroom. Yes. Yes. So the theory then becomes after they figure out, like with licensed plate readers, where these two vehicles he was using went. So they figure out that after the doctor allegedly, and he's been convicted. So I can say after he murdered Cozy, he drove the Tundra home for a little while, then he put the remains in his Toyota Corolla. So he switched cars and drove like across Florida. And they believe they zeroed on the dumpster where he put the remains, but by the time they got there and figured this out because it was like four days after Cozy disappeared,

19:15the remains were gone. These remains still have not been recovered. But so where we left off is the police detained him. You're going to die when I tell you the next part. Oh, God. So they detained him and he's sitting in the back of a police car. Now they had a warrant to search the Corolla, but the cops had to wait for a judge to sign off on a body search warrant, which would be taking fingernail scrapings, taking a swab inside the cheek. And when the doctor figured out that they had that, basically also his, his wrists were handcuffed behind his back. So once they heard, he heard from outside the car that they were getting this, he like a contortionist somehow got his hands in front of him, either like he's double jointed over the top or did it under his feet. Yeah. And he starts sucking on his fingers and scraping his finger nails with his teeth to get this is the clip that I saw and ticked. That I think that I sent because I was like, Oh, my God, because he's doing it like

20:19aggressively. It is insane. Well, and it's something the prosecutor who's this very incredible female prosecutor who I was obsessed with watching. She talks about it in her opening statement and the whole, whole courtroom is just like disgusted because you look at this guy. He's got a whole Bundy energy about him. Very Bundy. Obviously, and then also representing himself in court. Representing himself in court. Then also you learn about how bloody the scene was and then like you're sucking this like evidence out of your fingernails. It's fucking disgusting. It's also interesting to me that if this is four days later that I don't know, it's like a be showered. Have you tried to do that before? Is this now like a reaction to you hearing about that like very interesting, so spooky? Yeah. So that was crazy. And obviously like body cameras caught this and like they still got the testing and all that stuff. But once he's in custody, the investigation continues and they start really getting additional

21:25evidence, right? First of all, they're tracking cozy stuff. He's never made another purchase again. He never came back for a cell phone. No one in his family has ever heard from him again. So basically, they assume, okay, he has, in fact, been murdered. Now things get even more disturbing when they search the doctor's digital devices. And it turns out after that January 26th bathroom confrontation after he called cozy a scumbag, that very day he starts obsessively stalking like you predicted. Cozy and his husband showed up took photos of their condo of both of their vehicles, had been, he'd been at branchered law several times his phone connected to Wi-Fi. He was doing like, stakeouts completely stalking him. And he was still through this time like litigating this case very aggressively, like showing up, seeing cozy in these hearings, like focusing his venom and anger at him. It's just like the most bizarre thing I've ever heard.

22:27It's so weird. It's so weird. To not focus and listen, I don't think anyone should be punished. Why are you focusing on the attorney and not the people who you're suing? Can you, okay, remind me again exactly what the case was about. So basically, he worked for this plus surgery practice. And he was suing his old partners in this practice, claiming that they owed him a fuck ton of money and claiming that they ruined his career and his reputation. Okay. And by all accounts, he was losing the case. And for whatever reason, he thought firing his attorney and representing himself, even though he doesn't know law, would help, but it just made him lose more. And he was focusing all of his anger on the opposing attorney instead of the people he was suing. That's so weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. Especially because cozy was one of two lawyers on it, like representing the case. And if you kill him, say he got away with it, they're just going to put another lawyer

23:27on it. It doesn't free you. Yeah. That is so bizarre. It's really strange and very weird. So this all looks really bad. These are all circumstantial evidence that we have such thus far, but they start finding, they confirm the blood in the bathroom's cozy's. They also find cozy's blood in the tundra. They also find blood on the floor of Kazowski's garage when he switched, when he put the body in the other vehicle. And they find in the bathroom a mixture of the doctor's blood and cozy's blood. So obviously that means cozy defended himself and the doctor got hurt. His blood was mixed in. They also find Kazowski's fingerprints inside that utility closet where they were that woman saw him hiding the week before. Yeah. That I think is the craziest. I'm still not over it. I'm still not over it. The little wagon. What's crazy though? Jack, for what you've seen of the clips of him in court, what does this guy give you

24:28as far as like his personality stability? Oh, I mean, it's psychotic. He, I mean, he's very confident. I mean, the way that he talks, he acts like he knows what he is saying, but it's very erratic and the way he, like, he looks like leaning over the table and big movements and shouting and just very aggressive and really, really scary. Like that is a scary man. Yeah. And he was doing really strange things. I don't know if you saw this clip where another piece of evidence that they had is they found, so they found that dumpster where they believed he put cozy's remains. And there were surveillance cameras fixed. That saw this dumpster and they actually saw the garbage truck come and like dump the dumpster with the machine arm and they saw a plastic bag that looked like a human body was in it. They saw it being dumped into the garbage truck.

25:30They had the surveillance and that was part of the evidence being like, this is why we don't have cozy's remains. And I don't know if you saw the clip circulating where cozy was like, sir, you get in the plastic bag. I want to see your, I want to see someone's cozy size in the plastic bag prove that that's a body in the bag. I would like to see you in the bag like in the fetal position or something crazy. Oh my God. Oh my God. He also like, so more context during the trial, he decided to just go with a bench trial, which means there's no jury. He's just trying to convince the judge. And at one point, he's like, judge, I don't want this microphone here. What if I want to talk to myself? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Insane. In the judges like you haven't talked to yourself yet, like that hasn't been a requirement yet. And he's like, how about this? Just raise your hands and we'll move the mic. And then he like raises hand for like five minutes when the judge is talking. I'm like, why are you pissing off the judge when he's deciding your fate?

26:32It's, it's almost too insane to think that this is real life. Like this seems like something that would be in a movie that you would not, you'd be like, this is so unrealistic. Nobody would ever act like this. Yeah. And what's crazier, I was going to maybe save it to the end. But let me give you a little background on this guy. So he was 47 when this happened. I thought he was, it was Steven Kozy who was 41. He was 47 the doctor. He went to Dartmouth. He'd worked in medical practices for decades. No one had any complaints about him. He was born in Poland, immigrated to the US. He excelled academically, earned degrees in music, biochemistry, molecular biology. What? He went to Dartmouth on a scholarship and earned both an MD and MBA, followed by elite surgical training. Like he's a pretty extraordinary person up until this point. Did he ever have any trouble with the law? No. Not only that, so weird. I know.

27:33What's crazy is so, the daily beast was like, we got to find out. We need to know more. And they tracked down three of his former friends from medicine who were interviewed. Their depictions are almost jarringly different from the man we're seeing at trial. One former medical school roommate described him as a genuinely caring friend. That he'd never seen Kazowski even cranky, much less angry. And this is his roommate. When the roommate was going through divorce and struggling badly, Kazowski made sure he ate and regularly called in to check on him. Like, was like a stand up guy. Another medical school friend described him as happy, go lucky, silly and formal. Formal? Formal. Like, relaxed, casual. Yeah, like casual. I was like, wow. Then a friend, crazy, right? Did they track down any of it? I'm assuming he wasn't in a relationship. I'm assuming not because they haven't said anything about it, but there was a guy who studied music with him, classical guitar, at the University of New Mexico, like before

28:37he went to medical school. And he said, he's a guy with a giant smile who enjoyed nerding out about the guitar, like not a single red flag in sight, which is he like, is it like a mental health break or something that's so fucking bizarre. It's really interesting. You say that because I'd be so interested to know whether he had like a head injury or something. Yeah. No criminal record. Apparently like bedside manner with patients, get a stellar reputation as a doctor. Like, classic surgery is also vulnerable. Like people who are insecure are coming to you for help. Yeah. Like, it's just so senseless and violent and fucked up and like calculated, it makes no sense. Yes. And they couldn't find, like, did they have any like patient reviews or whatever? No. But like, it's just really confusing. I am so confused. I know. It's really, really crazy.

29:39So anyways, when we go to trial, you know, he's not going to have a jury. He decides to represent himself. And cozy's behavior is just really strange. He doesn't cross examine any of the witnesses because like, cozy's family testifies his husband testifies and talks about like, when an amazing person he was, how he left chicken in the sink to defrost that morning because he was going to cook them dinner, how they have like two dogs in a cat, how just all these like lovely things about Stephen cozy as a man. And I've been seeing on TikTok, all of people who went to law school with cozy. He was like, just apparently like a happy, go lucky guy who always wore a bow tie. Like, it's just really sad. Yeah. It's horrible. I was thinking that you could be fighting for your clients. You know, he was fighting for people who were being wrongfully sued in his opinion, right? And like just doing your job in this can happen. That someone could lock in on you and you have no clue how seriously this guy has locked

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33:46to try to make it look bad. Like you could do it. I could do it. He just you're right. He had like a confidence about him. Yeah. I make if you say anything with that type of confidence somebody is going to believe you or you're going to come across as believable enough to where people would again think that you. But again he was very smart. You know. So it's like. I don't know you mix that with something going on. Obviously something was going on in his mind. You know, obviously something shifted or clicked or changed. And if this is not normally the type of person that he was. I who God knows what was happening. Yeah. It's just with this decision to represent yourself in a death penalty case like for that decision to be made he didn't make an opening statement which I thought was so weird. Interesting. Yeah. Because that's your chance to be like that's a theater right. That's your one opportunity to like monologue and like what's your narrative man like what

34:49are you going to do and you didn't do it. Yeah. That's really weird. Yeah. And it was really weird. But he did try to harp on a couple of things. So one of the big things he was trying to prove like one of the things the state had to prove was that Stephen cozy was dead. Now in this country, sorry, I was going to ask it's really hard to convict somebody with nobody right and especially for like a death penalty case. It can be but I think in this case like so they had one of the CSI's testify about just the amount of blood in the bathroom. So a lot of it was cleaned up. A lot of it was like burned away with this like acidic industrial cleaner that the killer brought with them. How did nobody go into the bathroom? All of this time. So to not only murder somebody but then to clean it up, I wonder if he locked the door or something. Maybe. But what apparently so I was listening about I was listening to his husband testify and

35:49he talked about how like the bathroom where the first incident occurred where he followed cozy and I called him a scumbag. He's like, this is a bathroom that's so small. Like there's a stall and a urinal and a sink. Even though multiple people can go in it, usually when you like it's mistaken for a single person bathroom all the time. Right. Which is why when he followed a minute called him a scumbag, it was such a threatening thing because they were so close to each other. So people who work there said like if you heard the sink on in there, you often wouldn't go in because like it's such a small bathroom anyway, even though technically two people could be in it. But then it gets like if somebody was getting murdered in this bathroom, there's going to be no way like it's so I'm I'm so confused of how this all happened with nobody. And he actually seeing it in such a public place. Yes. And it's also confusing because we don't know how Stephen Cozy died because his remains were never found. All the CSI could testify to was there was a blood-ledding event, which is such a horrible

36:51description. Yeah. But then when he's pulled over with his corolla, he's got a bunch of he's got guns. But would you hear a gun if you used it? I would assume so unless there's a silencer, but then wouldn't you still, I don't know. Right. But then he also had this paralytic with him. So, but then he also spilled some vizone blood. So is it like he stabbed him with a knee? Was he hiding in the closet? Did he then stab him with the paralytic to render him weak? Yeah. You know incapacitated. Stephen got a hit or two in and then he loses consciousness and the doctor just does what he does, right? It's horrible to think about and like so senseless once again. So did the defense come up with any idea of what actually did happen in the bathroom? Or they just only to moss is the defense. That's the thing. It's like he was his own attorney. No, I mean, I mean, sorry, the prosecution. Like did they have an idea, like propose an idea of what actually could have happened

37:53in there? They believe that he was stabbed. They believe because like a huge blood-ledding event is what, like it would have been a ton of blood. So it's like in a gun would have been really loud. You probably would have heard it. Even with a silencer, you could still, that'd be too risky. Yeah. Um, insane. So not to have, and also to not have an opening statement. So we did a lot of cross examination and another thing he did was try to prove that cozy was alive because even when he was killed, like even though he never emerged to get his car or keys or phone, um, and never made another purchase, there were some reoccurring purchases. Like Amazon. I guess I'm sure. I'm, yeah. Yeah, but he tried in a couple of purchases that had been made the day before that appeared a few days later. Yeah. So he was trying to poke holes in that, you know, just like doing all of that stuff. And you know, we were talking a little bit about his behavior. The judge like was pretty annoyed at him the whole time and like told us several times,

38:56like stop playing games. And what's also weird is like, he seemed to be missing a tooth. Did he notice that? No. Like half of his front, one of his front teeth was missing. Oh. And he was also making the strange of facial expressions like I really do think he had like some sort of psychotic break because his behavior was so weird. Yeah. What the hell? Yeah. So after, so the prosecution also did a closing statement. Mm hmm. And he didn't do a closing. What the, that's so bizarre. I know. That you would think that he would just, do you have behavior? You would think he would do the most theatrical opening and closing statements ever. Yeah. And so the judge was then going to decide if he was guilty. It took him 12 minutes. And I swear he only did that to like be polite. To be like, to make it look like he thought about it. But he's like, he, it was such a, and I think that, you know, the doctor's strategy was

39:59to like try to raise reasonable doubt. And he's like, it's a judge. I can find a technicality here that he will be like beholden to honor, right? Right. But now the judge is like, you fucking did this shit. Oh my God. So next comes the penalty phase. And this is a death penalty case. Now, once he was found guilty, the judge said to him, it's like, are you going to represent yourself in the penalty phase? Which would be so rare in such a bad idea that no one's ever done it. So did he? And he's like, I don't think during the penalty phase because normally it's like, I mean, I think I think also Bundy knew he was cooked. Yeah. This guy was like, no, and he made no arguments about, he's like, I'm not going to make any arguments about sentence. Like, I think he's accepted or either wants to die. Like I'm not really sure. But because it's never really been done, because it is so very stupid, they had to bring in like this guy who's like an expert in the law to say like what should happen.

41:01And he's like, I'm going to bring in experts who could like mitigate to offer some mitigating information like family, like anything to explain why he did this to maybe have the judge give him some mercy. And though I don't know what you could possibly like uncover because this is so fucking batch it. Yeah. So we don't know yet if he's going to get the death penalty or not. I mean, he's so, he seems so sane and calculating. Yeah. That's, that, it's like so hard to figure what's going on with him out. I just like feel for his family so much. I can't imagine like, can you imagine kissing Jared goodbye? And it's like, oh, some guy he flipped off at a gas station once who was holding a grudge. Like it's like that. It's so insane. And it's like you take someone's to what end?

42:05Like now your life's ruined. Like is it, was it worth it? I know. And it's like these people are just doing their jobs. And I mean, and that does come with a risk obviously like being a lawyer and you just never know who you're going to piss off. And then, you know, to get a threat like that, nobody thinks that a threat is going to actually go that far. So I'm sure that they were like, you said they got pepper spray. They were like, okay, well, protect ourselves as much as we can. Nobody's going to come and kill me in my bathroom at work while everybody is around. Like, exactly. And you know, cozy and his husband like fixed some surveillance cameras at their house. Like they took the precautions at home because that's the thought process, right? That someone could break in into your house where you're vulnerable. That no one would be so diabolical as to do this at your work. And after that strange confrontation in January where he called him a scumbag in the bathroom, the law firm agreed to get security in the next in person deposition in case like he lashes out in person.

43:06Not thinking, why would you think like on a random day at the office, this guy, would do something like this that the guy's casing out the building, hiding murder supplies, hiding a murder kit in the bathroom. It's fucking crazy. That's so insane. Yeah, so he has not been sentenced yet. I think they said mid-October is when that's going to happen, but he has been found guilty. Wow. How long is the trial? I don't know, a couple weeks. Okay. Put me be a month. Okay. Jesus Christ. It's a good time for interesting trials right now because next week we're going to talk about the Caleb Flynn trial. Yeah. You know, we talked about Lindsey Clancy. I don't know why I'm riveted by these trials right now. I know. Well, it's just so crazy. I mean, so many are going on all of the time and just some pop up and end up being just because people are absolutely insane. Yeah.

44:06Insane. It's just also crazy, like looking at Tomas Kuzowski. It's like you're a renowned physician. You've never been in trouble with the law. No one has anything bad to say about you. What happened? I don't know. What fucking happened? And what's crazy is like you're very intelligent. You went to Dartmouth on a scholarship. Yet you didn't see the writing on the wall here. You didn't even cover up your license plates on this tundra. You knew there were surveillance cameras. You let them capture you even though you were wearing a mask. You were outwardly aggressive to him and threatened him. You don't think people would name you as a lead? You should have pretended to be nice to him at the very least if you were going to try to get away with this. I know. I mean, who knows? Who knows what was going on in his brain? That is just so wild. I don't know. I'm just really glad you wanted to cover this because I've been holding all this in with no one to tell. Well, no, I'm so glad that we did it because I mean, all those clips, I was like, what

45:07the hell is going on? So thank you for enlightening me on this insanity of a case. And for anybody that hasn't seen this on their feed, just go search his name. You will be blown away at the absurdity and insanity of this man. And if you're having a hard time finding him, it's because his name is spelled interestingly. It's THO-M-A-S-Z. Oh, I know. Tamauses. Tamauses. Exactly. That's weird. I do want to say, like, Stephen Cozy seemed like a wonderful person. Yeah. His husband's traumatized. His loved ones are traumatized. He was close with his family. His husband described meeting his family on the second date. Just how welcoming and excited they were that Stephen met someone. It's like, it's just to have this incredible supportive family and have him taken like that. It's incredible. With without warning, it's just devastating. And I mean, I don't know if I believe in the death penalty, but if you're going to get

46:10it, if anyone's going to get it, it's people like this, you know, and God. Take people from their loved ones for no reason. Wow. All right. Well, that was a wild ride. If anybody wants us to cover any other cases that are currently going on, obviously, it's not our normal first degree content, but we do have a place to do it. So let us know if anything is absolutely blowing you away and we'll look into it as a possible episode here on the deep dive. We can do your wishes, our command, your wish is our command. All right. Well, until next week, keep your tinfoil hats on. You know, we'll get back into the conspiracy theories because they just are getting crazy. That's right. We love you guys. Bye. Bye. We going in deep. You know that feeling when too many things fall through the cracks?

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