Do the Browns actually prefer Deshaun over Shedeur?

0:00Nick and JP back with you on a football Friday on an F on Friday. We got the lead coming up in about one hours time, but Jordan Schultz NFL reporter, the Schultz report. You know him. You love him. He joined us in about 20 minutes. We'll talk just a little bit of Dishon Wanson. We'll talk about the, the Browns leash with the Sean. We'll also talk about the thoughts around the NFL on Todd Monkin as well. Once again, we talked about this beginning of the show. If you did join us last night at the fan aversary, want to say a big thank you to everyone that came out, Dave and Busters in West Lake. They were fantastic hosts. I, I, I, I, I, be honest with you, I did not play enough games yesterday. I really only did the poppishot. I could spend a whole day there. And the thing is you would say, like, oh, you're going to take the kids. And that's not necessary. If they're there, that's awesome. But I would rather just go myself and just have a couple cocktails and just get out there and live that life. I joke. We always walk around with Jake in the back before you showed up and, and we're walking around and checking out all the different games and

1:02everything. And you just see like these random, like it'd be like two guys over here, two guys over here. Another pair of buddies over there. I joke with Jake, I'm like, you, all these women think that we like leave and just go cheat on them all day. But you guys don't really cheat that often. I mean, some do, I guess. But like, there's a lot of guys like me and you that instead we would just, we just grow out. Yeah, we just go to David Buster with our friends. And it's like, they're, they're constantly we're always easy off. We talking to some other girl. What's going? No, we're at David Buster's with our buddies because that's what that's what guys do. I mean, we get the cabin coming up. And I'm like, is there a David Buster's near Butler, Ohio? Can I just, I think right now, you kidding me? Yeah. I get like maybe a party bus and just be driven there and come back a party bus for the cabin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Come on. Is there a far, I mean, is there one closer now? I don't think there's one. No, no, not within like two hours. It would be very expensive party bus. But I get it. Be a highlight though. Yeah. We'll have more stories from what was a very fun night there. However, we have been accused of not doing

2:03enough admitting that the Browns like Dishon Watson more by and we're going to play a derrel piece of sound here in a minute, but Lime, today about half their show was them saying him specifically saying we're not admitting enough that the Browns just like Dishon more. Yeah, I did play Albert's clip yesterday and it's like, Oh, interesting. Then, you know, Albert says these things about the Browns and Dishon Watson and then the very next segment, the afternoon show comes out and they'll just completely refute everything that Albert says and say they don't believe him. And it's like, guys, it's not really that way, at least my interpretation of isn't that way. I feel like there's an acknowledgement that the Browns like Dishon Watson more. When Albert comes on or anybody else comes on, I don't get the impression it's because they're saying that they think Dishon Watson is leaps and bounds better than Shador Sanders, not necessarily. It's more the idea that he does more things right now week one that would give him a chance to win operationally. It's not that they think he's a better quarterback overall. And maybe that's maybe that's where we're getting this a little confused. I don't know. I just think like, like him

3:06better is very loaded. I think that's putting your own personal opinion on the Cleveland Browns. I don't think the Browns have ever told anyone they like anyone better than the other, more being more comfortable with Dishon. And the reasons they've given have nothing to do with the actual talent of the player. Well, Dishon's a veteran, right? So he's got more experience in other offenses. That's a right now thing. Yeah. The, you know, he's used to playing on the road in big environments. That's a right now thing. And so I think anytime somebody goes, well, the Browns just like Dishon more. No, that's you saying you like Dishon more and you're trying to put that on the Browns who might start Dishon Watson for two games. Well, he's tried to build up this case that people, unequivocally, that go to the camps every day say that Dishon Watson is played better than Shador Sanders. And I don't think that's true either. Yeah. The only people that have been consistently Dishon's the better quarterback have been the Browns have been the Browns exactly. And then again, that's there's a perfectly reasonable and acceptable admission that is coming from

4:11me for weeks now. And I think yourself for a little bit as well. And the idea that, yeah, the Browns do like Dishon Watson. I want to see what he can do week one. No one's no one's refuted that. No one no one's ever tried to make that not the claim. Yeah. The point is we're saying the decision making is head scratch is poor and we know and it doesn't make sense to us. That's that's where we're sitting back and saying, I don't, I don't get how we got here. Yeah. I listen, I have no doubt that the Browns think Dishon gives them the best chance to win week one. I just have a big amount of doubt on what they're basing that off of. I think the Browns have made a biased decision. I think even the way from the coaches show, I think it was last week where Todd Munkin was like, wow, we really wasn't an open competition. And then Shador improved so much. He kind of we made it an open competition, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. That is an indication that this thing was cooked from Dishon. Shador played his way into the conversation, but never played his way to the starting role. That again, the Browns set out at some point, whether it was Munkin, Munkin and Barry, Munkin Barry and the Haslams, whatever the conglomeration was or

5:16what? Sorry, configuration was they decided Dishon was going to play and Dishon was going to start. And so for anything to go against that, they had to be indisputable evidence that that player was better. We used to think it was a tie goes to the runner situation. We've talked about this a couple of times. That's clearly not the case. Clearly not the case. And we even said that yesterday is the tide of the runner thing is not that obviously if there was one, it went to Dishon, but it didn't feel like there was one. Dishon won this quarterback competition. I don't know. I don't know if he needs us to like say it louder. I thought the idea that Dishon was starting week one was enough of an admission that the Browns like Dishon Watson. Also, I don't know why it's so. I don't know why it's so hard for. And I guess I'm just doing the show to Lima right now. I don't know why it's so hard for him to acknowledge how ridiculous this whole damn thing is. He just wants to make it about Dishon versus Shedore. No, no, no, no, this is Dishon

6:17versus Browns fans and the media really. This is the idea of playing Dishon Watson ever again. And I've used the word normalized. And I've gotten, you know, the gently, you know, Fanny padded for for saying normalize because it's not a normal idea. Like it's normalized. The Browns have normalized something that no other team in the NFL and think about it. They've got some bullsy, thoughtless, gallless teams in the NFL. They do. And the Browns have done something that I cannot. Woody Johnson might be the worst owner in the NFL as in terms of a human being and in terms of his actual decisions, right? Woody Johnson would not be sending to Sean Watson out there for year five. And that's the guy. Like, here's the thing. I have my criticisms of how the Haslums have done their business here. Okay. I don't think they're awful people. I don't really know them. I don't really, I don't really understand them all the time, but I don't doubt that they want to win. I

7:20don't doubt that they've put a lot of money into this community. These communities show a willingness to want to win. So like, I've always, I've always given them credit for that. They want to win. I have no respect on any regard of Woody Johnson. None, which is very, I've been me saying that never happens. I have a fair amount of respect for the Haslum family. The Haslums problem, honestly, is the idea that I think they might just care too much. I think it's hard of, I think any discourse we have with the Haslums is that they, I think they might ultimately be a little too invested. And it would be much better if they just, you know, pulling it up as much money as they can and then kind of let the football people do football things. But like, I have a lot of love and respect for that family. I make fun of everyone. So it's not just I make fun of them, but I do make fun of everyone. Certainly, they've gotten their lion share. But like, I continue to sit here in awe of anyone that goes, well, of course, they're going to start to shone. They could have, this whole conversation could have been null and void in March. It could have been null and void in April.

8:24And organizationally, they all came together and said, all right, Doshan's going to be the heavy favorite and will give Shadour a chance to. And so the idea that I just have to accept that they're right about Doshan when they've been wrong about Doshan at every single turn. And they've done that they've glazed him up. They're not there. But their PR machine has glazed him up. It's a new Doshan. We're going to the playoffs. And they've been wrong every single time. So I don't think it's insane that Browns fans and certainly myself and you were saying, I'm sorry, I'm not buying this particular load of crap. That's it. The distinction here is that when they tell people like Albert, and Albert's writing his reporting, he's talking to them and they're coming back and saying, yeah, we like Doshan Watson. I generally do believe the Browns like Doshan Watson, sure. But where I think this gets a little confusing people is it's like, well, how can you possibly say anything that goes against what Albert is telling you is like, well, nobody's the same thing that's coming from the Browns that we've seen for so long. It's a lack of belief in what the Browns are trying to push out. Not necessarily lack of belief in the reporting

9:27or the lack of the information. It's what they're trying to put out. Yeah. If Albert Brear told me, I went to practice every single day and Doshan Watson was head and shoulders above Chador Sanders. That's different for me. When Albert sang, I know the Browns like Doshan Watson, and they think he can still play, I can disagree with that, the idea behind the reporter what the Browns are telling him. Yeah, like we're not disagreeing that the Browns are telling Albert things, and they're telling him that they like Doshan Watson. That part is true. Obviously, it's everything that comes in back of that part. Do we believe that Doshan Watson is better than Chador Sanders? But I just think it's interesting. And again, like I think there's only one show in town that doesn't seem to get the Doshan part of this because they again, I'm doing this just for Lima. Lima wants to make this about Chador. It's not. It's all about Doshan. I heard a couple of cheers for Chador yesterday at the at the event. I didn't hear any booze that I recall. No, but a

10:30chorus of booze for Doshan. Not just a chorus. I swear 100 extra people came in to boo Doshan. They left their games. They were playing in the other room. Is that is now the time to boo Doshan? All right. I was good in here. And listen, I can't really knock somebody for having agenda or being mad about something because clearly I am anybody but Doshan. I think that's a reasonable take. Being anybody but Chador to me specifically because, and I'm not going to try and mock it, because I don't have to live in those shoes, but because he's the people that follow him have said nasty things about about them on social media. I'm sorry, that doesn't enter the equation for my analysis of the Browns quarterback situation. I'm looking at the absolute lost causes of all lost causes. That's what annoys me. Meanwhile, the same people that I'll tell you everything in the world about everyone liking Doshan will also be the same people to tell you he gets he has two weeks. Yeah. I make that make sense. Albert was on with us yesterday, even. How can you have this

11:31utter belief and utter truth in Doshan Watson and then also say two weeks? Because there's acknowledgement there that Doshan Watson hasn't shown the Browns anything in these practices that is warranted beyond just a very short leash. I do like that there's a scenario where one of us is incredibly right and one of us is incredibly wrong. That's like all of our show in general though. Isn't our show kind of like built around you mean us versus them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just say in general that I thought I thought we're going towards a different path here. In this in this topic, you're right. It's got an it's an all or nothing we're right or an all or nothing. Well, we could both be wrong. We're probably going to split the baby for being truthful about it. We'll be right on the Doshan side of things and that Doshan won't be particularly good. And then they'll be more right about Shadour than we are in the idea that we think Shadour actually has talent. And the end result is likely going to be Shadour is I don't know. It's seven or eight games. Not enough to even showcase what he can do. And then we draft a quarterback in 2027. And so they'll say they're right there. I'm not selling my Shadour stock. I'm not going to do it.

12:32I don't care the people think he's a little goofy. I don't care the people question his whatever had been on time to sell it right now. No, I just I think again, I think let me put it this way. I think Shadour will be the best quarterback that sees the field for the Browns in 2024. I know that still won't be good enough for them to again. They're going to take you anything but win a Super Bowl. And I don't think Lyma's going to give him his flowers. But that's the point though. That's the point I'm trying to make is that I don't think there's anything Shadour is going to be able to do that'll satisfy the well, I would. My mother saying I was wrong about Shadour. You guys you guys swept all the discussions this year. You get the Doshan discussion. You get the Shadour discussion. I think that's going to be a moving goal post. I think we both know that two one six. Especially if he loses bad. We have the Doshan side of things. 0092. Have we not done enough admitting the Browns like Doshan wants and more. No, they want to see him again. And I don't think they're making this decision based purely off the pure intentions of whatever. Jordan Schultz of the Schultz report will talk us through the Doshan situation in five minutes on 9-2-3. The fan.