DOCUFILES: Quiet on Set

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1:01Like Natalie said, we want to have discourse. So leave your comments on Spotify on YouTube and we're going to read them and we want to see you guys talking about these documentaries with us. So at the end of every DocuFiles episode, we're going to tell you what the next one is so that you are prepared for next week's documentary. Some of them are going to be series. We're trying to shoot for anything with three maybe four episodes max. Obviously many of them will be feature films as well. Get ready, get excited. Let's talk about these documentaries. This week we're starting with quiet onset, which Natalie and I had both seen before but we were rewatching because it's been about a year or so since it's been almost two years really now that it's 2026. This is four episodes with a fifth conversational interview episode. We're talking about all five episodes in one DocuFiles episode. So next week it's going to be no that way we all get used to what's going on here.

2:01If it's a series is still only getting one episode. That's how we're doing it. Let's dive in Natalie because this really opened my eyes as somebody who wanted to be a child actor. I was dying. I was going to say I was very curious to your perspective of whether or not it changed your mind of are you glad that it didn't work out for you. Oh, I'm so thankful that I am a failed child actor. Thinkful beyond belief. I did know back in those days that there were dangerous people involved and things like that. I think everyone understands that going into any part of Hollywood is the dark underside of Hollywood. It's pretty scary out there. But I think like and true crime a lot of people don't assume that it's going to happen to them. And as we were going through watching each of the five episodes of quite on set. We were really introduced to like the toxic nature of this industry and the effects on the youngest population that are working in this industry.

3:06When you look at the things that happened on set. It makes me wonder how much or what I missed on the sets that I was ever on in the acting classes that I was ever in. I mean, I had people be mean to me or they really just didn't care that it was freaking hot. And if we're not a high cast member that we're not in a trailer. So like treatment was always somewhat interesting. But it does again, it makes me kind of wonder like what did I miss because even Dan says. And this is at the end of the fourth episode. When you say Dan, you mean Dan Schneider by the way, he was a infamous producer showrunner for Nickelodeon, which is really the network. And the shows that are being explored in this documentary. Thank you for clarifying that Natalie. Even in his statement, we'll call it. He says and I'm going to pull it up. In addition, every day on every set. There were always parents and caregivers and their friends watching us rehearse.

4:10So yeah, there were parents and other adults on set that missed a lot or were too intimidated. So to what Dan is saying, well Dan, you were really good at intimidating people. So everybody was really afraid that we're going to ruin careers about all the things that you and I are about to talk about that happened. Before every episode airs, there is a disclaimer that the documentary airs and it pops up on screen and it says basically. And this is the jest. I'm not going to read it for you because I don't have it. But it basically says this is a documentary exploring how the children were failed by the adults in their lives that were supposed to protect them. And I think that they worded that very specifically. They didn't say their bosses. They didn't say the network execs. They didn't say, you know, they didn't specify which adults. They made it very obvious that it was the adults. It was everyone from executives from the showrunners to the producers to the makeup artists to the parents to the person doing the schoolwork.

5:15It was every single adult on set failed these children. And it's sad. And we could talk about the reasons why being intimidated of losing their jobs of impacting their child's career. We can talk about that all day long. And while I understand that that came into play, it really doesn't matter because they were the adults. It's supposed to be the safe person in their life that they can come to when you are a kid, you actually don't have very much control of much going on in your world, the adults do from your teachers to your parents. They're kind of running the show and rearing you and creating the environment that you are supposed to be in and it ended up being a work environment, which is already sketchy when you're talking about kids that wasn't really that safe. A lot of the times the kids barely realized what was going on because it was kind of progressive and some of them had experiences that got deeper and worse than others.

6:22But we're talking facial shots with goo on the face of 13 year old Jamie Lynn Spears. Really inappropriate sexual and new windows. You have a young Ariana Grande squeezing a potato attempting to get the juice out of it. Can I squeeze this to get the juice out of it or whatever she's lying on a bed at one point and says she's thirsty and throws water on her face in a very uncomfortable angle shown on the screen. And this is the dirty riding the line type of humor that Dan Schneider was known for and he did shows like all that the Amanda show Zoe 101 salmon cat I Carly Drake and Josh iconic Nickelodeon shows but such a cool says it best to me. She is an author and many more things and was involved in the show quite on set. Who are these sexual into windows for who is Ariana Grande squeezing the potato and pouring water on her face and I think chest while laying on a bed.

7:27By the way, she was on a bed just upside down on a bed. I'm pouring water on herself. Who are they for who are these jokes for Dan Schneider who are they for and sometimes I've caught myself laughing while watching Disney as an adult. Yes, my husband and I will watch any new Disney movie because we respect and love Disney and it's kind of feel good. So everyone's not like when something comes out. We will watch it like inside out to or something like that. For example, I feel like that's a little bit different though. It is exactly my point like you'll catch jokes that are for the parents, but you're like it's still it's not sexual into window usually and it's so deep that you're like there's no way like a kid's getting that but like he but like. No, it's not the same as Ariana Grande squeezing a potato. It's just because movies like inside out or like for quadrant movies they're trying to get every single age group to go put their butts in the seats of the theaters to make the most money versus a show like Zoe 101. Or all that or the Amanda show the audience is specifically kids and maybe that I think they list the age range from anywhere from six to 14.

8:34Yes, Dan Schneider was quoted as saying my job is to get kids in that age range to watch TV at any cost and apparently he took that to heart because he went and did at any cost and he says glued to their TV. Yes, and that's really profound, but also that goes to show exactly what you're saying. Then who are these jokes for it was for his like own sick pleasure. I think absolutely I think he got off and I mean that literally yes, I think he got off on the ability to sneak things into the scripts and onto TV and words out of kids mouths in a way that was seen as like oh they don't mean it like that but he got to do it anyway. Do you know what I mean it was almost like a power move. It was a power. How much and how far can I push this like can I go close to the line. Can I tow the line in front of their parents in front of the parents in front of everyone. And when their parents question me about what's going on and it's making my child uncomfortable. I'm recalling one of the cast members of the later years of all that his mom started speaking out because they used to do like a fear factor segment.

9:48Yeah, I don't think he was a dog person and he had to have peanut butter put all over him and then like a dog was brought out to look it off. But yes, it was a fear based segment modeling fear factor. So that was that time in the TV world, but he didn't like it at all. And it really made him uncomfortable and the mom started speaking out about things that made her son uncomfortable on set. And she was told that she's difficult and he basically got let go from all that he did not basically he did get let go eventually because she was trying to protect him. And you know what good on her. And it sort of backfired because it affected the relationship they go on to discuss in true episode five that that moment or she talks about the moment that he was fired. She saw her little boy become a man like his physical demeanor change and he was never the same. And in the episode five sort of like wrap up of the whole thing where they talk about the reactions to the documentary and basically the public's reaction to it.

10:53They say that this affected their relationship up until they both watch the documentary. So 20 years. A lot of them are just starting to understand one of the past members from so we want to one explains that pretty well too. Like I watched a session of do and I go oh, oh, oh, yeah, like I can't believe he had us doing stuff like that. And I do think that he wasn't just targeting the children either and they do touch on this throughout several of the episodes. It was super misogynistic and I don't use that word lightly. He was targeting the two female staff writers he had on the Amanda show. He hired them and told them that they had to share the salary. Yes, he was not going to pay them a full salary each. They had to work as if they were getting a full salary, but they had to split it. But everyone else in the writer's room was paid an individual salary. He hired a dude right after them who got a full salary.

11:55So he was openly misogynistic because this unfortunately isn't industry that while there are unions, they're constantly fighting for rights. I mean, at it being children in the mix that you're writing for and a children's set, there was just a lot he got away with because people were just thankful to be there because it's a doggy dog world. Right. And he went so far as make requests of his employees. These are employees. He's in a boss position. So there is this power dynamic already and then you throw in the fact that he was basically an egomaniac. And he would request people to humiliate themselves. And if they didn't, then they weren't in on the joke and they were not on his good side. And so people felt obligated to humiliate themselves in front of their co-workers. I believe they would say stuff like, I'm an idiot or they would have to scream it. And there was one writer in particular who acknowledged that a certain instance happened.

12:58And she said that, you know, I don't really want to talk about it. But she did acknowledge that it happened in her co-worker explained that he wanted the female writer, one of two female writers and a roomful of men, to stand up, picture story. And do it as if she was being so atomized. She did it. First she said no. And there really was no room for a pushback. And so she ended up doing that. And you can tell even this many years later that it was triggering and traumatizing for her. And it was something that she acknowledges that, yes, I did it. And I would never do that again. That writer went on to also call Dan out though because he told her if she stood up. This is all via email. So he would like email them out their desk and be like, stand up and say, I'm an idiot. At first it was kind of joky fun. But if you didn't do it, like maybe you're working or maybe you didn't want to say whatever the heck it was that he told you to say he would pester and pester and pester and pester. He would keep emailing you until you did it.

13:58But sometimes Dan would offer money. I think he offered about like $300 or so. If this isn't bad enough, you guys, there are three more episodes after they talk about this. Like it's unbelievable. He never paid her the $300. And so she called him out. Like, should I add that one to your tab? Because there was like another $30. And he's like, he got so mad. Like, don't act like I don't, you know, make good on my bets. And she was like, whoa, like I was joking. But I also I want my money. Yeah. Well, the $300 she was owed was for eating two pints of ice cream in 30 minutes. But she acknowledges that yes, I needed the money. I was getting half a salary. Yep. I was working all the time. And it was made clear in the documentary that if anyone on staff did things outside in their quote-unquote free time. So if it was a weekend or after work, Dan was pissed off about it because he felt that he was entitled to all of their time. People work a lot for quote-free under Dan.

15:00I don't exactly know what that looks like when you're on a set. And if you have a salary, but somebody was reading, was it Giovanni? Yeah. If she was reading, she was reading a note, right? And was it Jason Michael handy who we will talk about in just a second. Oh, and a little more detail. So she reads it out loud. And it basically says something about like, you kids are the reason why I work half the week for free. Half the week for free. Yeah, half the week for free. I mean, what is that? What do we even think that means, by the way? And he has a production assistant. I mean, huh? Let's talk about that. What does that mean as a production assistant? Like half the week for free. It's the lowest position on a film set. You're basically the go for it. You're doing what needs to be done. Right. And you're getting things for people. You are running around getting coffee. Sometimes you're wrangling kids in his case. Right. But are they typically paid hourly? That's kind of what I don't know.

16:00I guess it depends on what the setup is. I've done PA before. I've got paid like a set like I knew how much I was going to get paid for the day. Oh, I don't know if that's because I knew how many hours I was going to be there. Sometimes it's like, so it just really depends what you get paid. It's not a lot at all. See what I mean. This is where when we're talking about this industry and it's need for a generalized set of rules and rights and to think that there's even sag and aftra. But yet we still have these questions of like, who's paid? How are they paid? Like, it's interesting. Well, I mean, everyone that is working on set should be paid. Yeah. Even extra is get paid. I think they get like a stipend. It's been a while, but it's probably like a hundred bucks. Maybe one 25 or something like that. It's very, very minimal. I think it depends on how many days and how much you're there. But that would be like for a day. I think like 20 years ago, I was making like four or five hundred dollars for one day as an extra.

17:02There's a lot, but that could have just been a good. I was going to say that that sounds like a significant amount. It was through an agency. I think that has something to do with it too. I'll look it up. An extra daily pay varies, but expects is expected to be around a hundred to 200 for nonunion work. So it's basically minimum wage for the area. And then I got really lucky 180 to 220. Yeah, I was going to say that seems super inflated. That's after an agency took a cut to. So maybe the agency, you know, those types of things help unions agencies like having people that are advocating for you and making things worth it. It can kind of elevate budget or maybe you got paid over time. Maybe I think, but because you're a kid, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, and listen, I just want to make it clear to everybody too. Like I'm not in a bunch of stuff. I don't have like a resume of 500 different even pieces of like extra work. Like this is just when I was doing acting classes, had a little agent,

18:03ended up trying to do some extra work to get SAG. Never even got SAG, but just something you have to work for that screen actor's guild. So like don't expect to like CB or think that I have like a bunch of experience with this. I just know that I remember getting one paycheck specifically and I was like pumped. Well, especially as a kid though, anything like any check you get is exciting because where else would you get money? Oh, I was still pumped to close my coup, an account to I was like 18 rolled into my bank. I'd like to close my coup, an account please, which we've talked about these before, but it's an account where a certain portion of money that you make goes to when you are a child actor or you do anything, whether it's extra, no matter what to protect a portion of your money. I think it's only like 25% has to go in there. It's very low. It is it's actually strikingly low, but parents are putting bills and having to pay for lots of things in the beginning. Put like as a parent, that's your job. Yeah, it is. It's just weird. It's just weird. It's true. It's true. It's true. Actually, this is something that is touched on in the documentary is the filmmakers acknowledge that a lot of these kids were kids that were responsible for supporting financially their families.

19:14And so that's a lot of where the pressure came from to be a good listener to what Dan requested and just be like a good little soldier. A good little soldier is actually like so sad, but yet profound because that's exactly what they ended up doing and I sort of skimmed this earlier, but it's like this idea where you kind of just expect or hope that the adults around you are doing right by you. And if you're lucky in life, the adults around you are doing right by you. And listen, they're humans too. And nobody is perfect. But they just soldier on and there's this feeling in life. And maybe this is just me, but when something really bad happens, sometimes it's really hard to realize how bad it is because it's it's the thing of that like it's happening to you. And you hear about bad things happening in the world and you go, gosh, like that's so bad. But like when something bad happens to you, you don't exactly know how it feels to have that bad thing happen to you or like how to interpret that and like add having a child's brain and experiences to that.

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22:33Thanks for watching. Let's talk about Drake Bell aka Drake has you reminded me campana a lot more happened on set than just inappropriate work environments. There were sexual abusers who were convicted on the show. One of them was a very beloved member of the crew of several of the shows. It was for like almost all of them like he was everywhere. What was it? We're speaking about. He was on a lot of that right. Yeah, who unfortunately did assault Brian pack Drake Bell and when Natalie and I were talking about the show before she reminded me that he also one time change his name on Instagram to campana and people.

23:47Aspanol Spanish for Bell and that was the whole joke. He thought it was kind of funny because he did I believe moved to Mexico or stayed there for a very long time. He is huge there. Actually, he has such a large following and like has concerts. People show up in droves to see him. You know, it's the career he probably should have had here. Right. They got it. There's a clip of him talking about it. Because when you said it, it Campana, I was like, what happened there? And he said my fans in Mexico got it. And they thought it was kind of silly and kind of fun. But here were like, is he changing his name? He's running away. And he's like, I very much have not running away. But I think he is seeking his peace. And he has every right to do that. But unfortunately, but B2Dubs, did you know he's like flew not like he is literally fluent in Spanish. I figured. You know, to live there. Many people obviously know English all over the world did say consider universal language at this point. And I think that that is great and how sweet for the fans that really built a strong base for him.

24:51But unfortunately, he probably has one of the most horrific stories of all of them. And earlier a few months ago, when I said let's talk about Drake Bell and being that good little soldier. I mean, he had to see this guy still. He had to continue to go over to his house and deal with Brian Peck after he was being assaulted to the point where Drake says now he never tells us exactly what happened. But no, a court documents have been released. Sodomy really, really horrific things. We're talking sodomy with foreign object and forced just the worst stuff you can imagine. I believe what he says is that's what happened. Yeah, the worst thing that you could do to a person. And that's what was done to him. And I think he doesn't know anyone those details, especially if that would mean retry green or derailing his healing journey. I think it is enough to say this is what happened to me. And I hope that it never happens to anyone else again. Yeah. And I think it was almost more profound.

25:57And I think just such a great example of what the many, many people who and children when we're talking about those people specifically, I guess, is how much it really does impact them. So don't tell me that just because you're a teenager, you can internalize that differently than like an eight year old. That's not a thing. There's still very much affects them. It affects a lot more people than just him. It affects his father who was also interviewed in the documentary and his father actually clocked. Right. And peck. I guess I can't say he didn't like him, but he didn't like the behavior. He didn't like these back rubs. No, he's like, what is going on here? He clogged it right away. He saw what this man, the way he was touchy-filly with his son. And immediately said, I do know all my son. Anywhere along with him, I don't want my son, you know, these types of interactions. And he actually spoke up and went to someone in production and said, you know, these are my concerns.

26:58And he was told, well, this man is. He's gay. Don't you know, he's gay. I think that's what he said. Maybe that's what you're seeing your home of phobic for thinking this. He doesn't have any interest in your son. And so. Well, they told him that they wrote it away. He kind of realized he had to be a little bit quieter, but behind the scenes in his relationship with his son, he was still very much an advocate for please, you know, let's stay away from this man. But as abusers will do, they will drive a wedge between anyone and the person standing in the way of who they want. And that's what this person did with Drake and his dad. He tried to get him emancipated. That happens a lot with child actors because they can work a lot more and all of these things, but also who may or may not get more access that way, right? But I do want to touch back that they did write it off and say, oh, well, he's gay. So he's just touchy feeling, which I think is already extremely wrong too. I don't think because your gay, that means that you're going to touch children inappropriately as well.

28:01Number one, it was just kind of gross and you're right. The way the dad puts it, he says they said, are you just being homophobic? Yeah, when I was paraphrasing it was me repeating what the dad said. Yeah, yeah. And they said, are you just being homophobic and now, I don't know if the dad internalized or if they actually use that word, regardless, they were manipulating the dad into being like, you don't even know what you were seeing. He's just a touchy feeling guy. And that ended up among other things, keeping Drake in very unsafe situation to the point of sawdame with the foreign object. Thank goodness for his girlfriend's mom who realized when Brian peck was supposed to go to Disneyland with them. Drake is from Orange County and was living in Orange County. One evening at his young girlfriend's house, they're 15, 16 years old, his phone just ringing off the hook because he didn't want to go to Disneyland with Brian. And instead he wanted to be at his girlfriend's house. He said he felt the safest to there. And his phone's just going off going off going off in the mom's picking up on something is going on with Drake and then something also is going off about this phone. Like why is the phone ringing off the hook? Why is this 40 something year old man continuing to ring ring ring ring his phone, this is so inappropriate.

29:20And so she pulls them into the kitchen and everything kind of came out from there, but thank goodness she noticed and unfortunately the dads got feelings were right as well. And that was something I thought of too. It's you know that disclaimer we talked about the beginning where it says these are children that were let down by the adults in their lives. You know, that's me paraphrasing. This is apparent a father who did his best to protect his child and the predator still found a way around the protections that were in place. Oh, and they will. And so it just shows how dark this industry can be and how deep I do want to acknowledge that he was convicted. He was arrested in August 2003. He was convicted of loot conduct with a minor and due to Drake's age, his identity as the victim was never disclosed. He was always listed as John Doe. But yeah.

30:20And this was the first time he ever publicly came out with his story. That's right. I want to note that Dan Schneider did call Drake after all of this came out. Brian was arrested and it was just this big awkward elephant in the room when it happened and I mean definitely watch the documentary. You can get like a lot more of the actual details from the people who were there that day. Dan kind of booted the parents out of the room and then had this conversation with the kids and asked any of them if they also had ever been inappropriately touched or assaulted by Brian Peck. But he personally called Drake and was like questioning a little bit but seems to have his back in a certain way because he was like, all right, that's all I need to know. But meanwhile, he's creating such a hostile work environment that it attracted people like Brian. I know he's rampaging at everyone else and I think that just goes to show the complexity of humans.

31:22Yes. Because Dan Schneider clearly was a tyrant onset, but he still had a line. He was not a nice man, but he still even had a line. But yeah, he even still had a line and he was admittedly from Drake, the only person that truly either knew what was going on or that reached out. And something that we like touched on in our pre recording combo is that when Drake tells the story of him going to court against Brian Peck, he had two people on his side. He had his mom and his brother. I don't know where the dad was. He doesn't say it, but he has a really good relationship with his father. And then on Brian Peck's side, there was basically Hollywood names left and right. The entire rose behind Brian Peck were filled with well known actors. I think Drake's mom turned to him and said, yes, look at all the stars you got here. And this is Will Fidel who is repeating this because he was there realizing that as he puts it, well, I was on the wrong side.

32:22So a lot of people really liked Brian and didn't realize exactly what had happened because all the documents were sealed. Yeah, well did his manipulations get them to write these letters? I think so because it was the same thing for Dan. They got people writing them and they didn't know the full story. I think it was Jean. What is her last name? Is it Pro? Jean? You know me. I'm terrible. And don't even listen to Natalie and I for names. Same thing with like a name of a song or a singer. Forget it. I'm the worst with names. Tell me the birthday. I'll remember it. I was going to say not to giggle during such a serious moment, but I wanted to take it back to something. Jean said where when she wrote letters of support for Dan that it was under the guys of misinformation. I mean, and we're talking the Alan thick famous sitcom TV dad. He wrote a letter in support of Dan Schneider for a different case. And all of that was under misinformation. So it's like, who do you think Brian could have learned that from?

33:23You know what I mean? Or I'm not even saying Dan would have guided him there, but like they could have used the same lawyers or whatever. And I think they were getting letters and getting support erroneously. I think when you're the type of person that Brian Peck is, you are an expert at manipulating people and getting more information. And getting what you want. Something that I know as we're like wrapping up, but something that I don't want to not acknowledge before we end is he used to host a lot of parties at his house for the cast and crew. And that would seem normal if he wasn't on a children's television show. Correct. All these children would go to his house and another child actor was interviewed for the documentary and he acknowledges what he saw in one of Brian Peck's rooms in one of his favorite rooms. It was a memorabilia like room filled with old Hollywood things. And then there was one painting that seemed out of place. And it was the painting of a clown. And then there was this child actor points it out to Brian Peck who gets excited about it and turns it around and shows him a signature that says,

34:33you guys are not going to believe who's signature was. Do you want to say it? John Wayne freaking gacy. Are you out of your mind? I was going to turn out that this clown portrait was a one of one. It was done for Brian Peck by none other than John Wayne gacy who he eventually became pen pals with. And he saved and relished the contents of these exchanges that he had with him and he kept them in his bedside table. Now this is the man working on a children show surrounded by children who has now been convicted of being a predator. And after he goes and gets convicted ends up working on another children's television show. Wild wild. It's the kind of stuff that just keeps happening in this world that drives me crazy. And then there's this kind of thing that I'm going to say, this industry is so hard to break into when you don't know anybody or you're not a nepot baby.

35:38It doesn't mean that you're not good, but there are a lot of good people who are passed up. But yet we have this guy who's bringing pen pals with John Wayne gacy commissioning clown portraits. Like what are we doing? You know, maybe for some people it can be seen as a blessing in disguise. And then there's a guy who's been in the door because as we see he wasn't the only one who was a predator on these sets. There was another man who famously went to prison, not jail prison. And his name, which we mentioned earlier was Jason Michael handy. He was that production assistant. He literally described himself in, I don't know if we want to call it a journal or some sort of like writing he had that were found at his home. He's got to be a, well, he has to be a blind man himself as a pedophile full blown. 28 years old by the way, not even that old so like just go be a young person. You know what I mean? He was eventually sentenced to six years in prison for a slew of charges. And so it just goes to show, you know, these people were finding their way into close proximity to children that were.

36:44Always do. Easily accessible, but like maybe in an unusual environment that allowed them to befriend them. Absolutely. And that's a known thing with child predators. They insert themselves into working with children every day and it's hard to tell because you think like, oh gosh, people who want to work with children, you know? Like they are just really, you know, special people. It takes a lot to work with children. It can be very exhausting, especially when it's not your child. You have to really be able to trust these people, right? Because you go, my gosh, that's not their child. Are they going to treat them the way I do? Are they going to love them the way that I do? And many times you can, but unfortunately, like you just can't let your guard down a wolf in sheep's clothing. Exactly. And it takes me back a little bit to my cousin's murder. You know, she was four years old, punched in the stomach, forced to swim and died from drowning. And from that moment on, I think that my parents, anytime we did not feel safe with an adult,

37:44immediately ripped us away. My mom typically references a time where my brother mentioned not wanting to go back to this particular, I don't know if it was a daycare person or what I was not alive yet. Regardless, my mom never took him back. The second he said, I don't like it here, done. So I think we really need to like listen to our kids or give them the space to let us know even the most minor thing. You think it's so minor, but you have questions about it. Come to me, you are safe. And I don't know, I guess that goes on sets when I'm just blabbering, but like it's just one of those things like listen to them. It's unfortunately something that maybe needs to be said. And I hope that this docu series, even though it is about a year and a half old now, continues to ignite conversations like this because they need to be had and there are changes that need to be put into place to protect the vulnerable kids that are on set. And until then maybe it is something that has to be said.

38:45We have to just keep saying it until someone hears it and someone makes changes. The unions got to look at it. That's the way you make the changes. These kids are all sag after. So they need to be implementing this certain clauses for children because as someone to put it in the stockumentary and this is an interesting spot to sort of be wrapping up on in that it is difficult to find a set that there is not one single child on. And that really struck me because you don't think about that. But it's actually really true. From an extra to a series regular, a cast member, there's going to be a child playing a sound, a daughter, or whatever, or again, even an extra. So I think that that's where we should leave it is. Thus we have the infrastructure to make these changes. So let's just hope that those adults that can make the changes make them. Thanks so much for tuning in to our first DocuFiles segment. I can't wait for everyone to listen to all our different ones.

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