Does Joey Logano Think Hocevar Is Similar To His Younger Self?

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1:02That's Indeed.com slash podcast, terms and conditions apply. Hiring now, then this is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Let's get right to it. This episode of the 30-30 is presented by Arby's new meat and three bucks. Get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meats. All right, we got Joey the gun of calling in on the Dale Junior download. Joey, thanks for giving us some time today. I know when and races everybody wants to talk to you. Especially with everything you've done over the course of the second half of the season. I think at one point you were 20 or so in points or somewhere back there. And Russell with racing insights told me you had a 70% chance of making the chase.

2:07And I said, there's no way that could be correct. Not only have you made the chase, but you're sitting just a couple of points out of the points lead. And I don't think that there was anyone in the world who thought this was possible. I thought that they had made a point system that would make that impossible. But you've done the rarest of things, man. You've basically taken a spot in the backside of this chase. And you've driven your way all the way up into the front of this thing with a real, real shot of winning the championship. And I know that you are very proud of that. But honestly, like, aren't you even a little surprised? I thought we can get there. I did not think we'd get through this quickly. Right. When the chase started, I thought, okay, we can win the championship. It's going to be very, very hard to make up 70 points on these guys. And I thought, gosh, if we do that, it's going to take all the races to do it. And the facts are, man, you can score so many points with, you know, the stages now,

3:14and then the race one being 20 more than anybody else. You stack up a few of those days. You're right there. So yeah, you can still make it up. You can get there. As easy as I said, easily as quickly as we got there, we equally, someone else can do the same thing. Yeah. All we did is stack together a tense place day at Darlington, a good stage points day and a third place finish at Gateway, and a first and a third on the stages and a win at Bristol. Yeah. It's all, like, that's achievable stuff for a lot of teams to do. So, you know, we're there and that's great. But long, long ways to go. But yeah, definitely further ahead than I expected to be at this point. Yeah, I'm really captivated by the chase. I'm captivated by the points. I thought that we all kind of had an understanding of how this, you know, how the points might go, how they may work. What we've learned is we underestimated stage points and the value of stage points.

4:15They were important. They always have been, but they're even more so important now. And I think NASCAR did an incredible job working with a lot of people to create a point system that's entertaining. And it's also rewarding for the drivers who go out there and get the job done. So, pretty impressive stuff. You know, when you're, when you look back at what went on with Blaney and Host of R, I've got to ask you, man, I don't think that you and Host of R are in any way similar. But early in your career, you were kind of poked and prodded by some of the veterans in the sport. You were kind of targeted at times. And so you know a little bit about what it is, what it's like to unwillingly or willingly be drug into some of those scrums and be a part of the media conversation and be a bit of a lightning rod in the sport. So, when you see what Host of R has going on,

5:20does it kind of bring back some of those memories of what it was like to be, you know, kind of pissing off a veteran here and there every other week or every few weeks and trying to figure out how to navigate yourself into a better space in the sport and finding your lane? Yes and no, like a little bit, right? I mean, I think Carson and I are quite a bit different people and go about things quite a bit differently. And sure, I had some run-ins earlier in my career, but they're still were far less and much different ways too. And but the world was different too, then, right? Like the things that I did then are 100% acceptable to go dude today. Like it's normal. You know, you know how much the racing has changed since we went to this next gen car. The aggression level is crazy, right? Tony Stewart wanted to what my ass because I blocked them. Yeah. That's all it took. Right? Like today blocking is like that's part of the game. It happens all the time. It doesn't even make anyone mad. It's just like,

6:22oh, that's part of it. So it's just the game has changed a lot. And yeah, I mean, I look at it and I get just like there is moments of some things that I remember, right? Of gosh, like, I look at and go, I lost a championship because I didn't handle things correctly. Yeah. Awesome. It's track. And that forever eats me up inside more than anything. And I think you've got to eventually choose a lane and decide what are you here to do? Are you here to and I had to do this, right? Am I here to be fiery and build a brand and do all this stuff? Or am I here to win championships? Which one do I want? And I would trade popularity all day long for championships. Because that's all I'm here to do. That's all I want to do. Right? Like, I wanted to be a racecar driver to win. That's it. Like cool cars, sure. But really, I just want to win. And sometimes you have

7:24to adjust the way you go about things to make sure you have a chance to win. And like I said, I didn't the whole thing, like if I go back to Kansas, right? That's that's the scenario I'm talking about when when that all happened in Kansas. I could have handled everything post-race so much better to where I could be sitting here possibly with with four championships right now shooting for a fifth. But instead, I'm here with three going for four because I didn't handle things correctly. And it still pisses me off because it's my own fault. There's no one else to blame but myself. And I'll never get over it. But it is what it is at this point. Do you do you think that we're trying, you know, we're all sitting here today kind of talking about where does this go? Where does this go? What is the end result for Carson? What is his objectives? What drives him? What motivates him? And it's I get this feeling or this sense that so in most cases all through the decades of racing, you know, the veteran drivers would grab the guy around the neck and have a

8:28conversation with him. And he'd have a, you know, get a handful of those conversations. You start making different decisions. You start kind of falling in and and trying to do things differently. But it doesn't seem like that that's what motivates Carson. It doesn't seem like that that's what he's after. He's not after to gain the respect of his peers or the other drivers on the racetrack. And so how do you how do you guys co-exist? You know, if he's going to stay in this lane and kind of be this way, how does how do you guys race on the racetrack with him? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. That's up to him. It's all fixable. I feel like for me, you know, surely in my career was I known as the aggressive guy, sure. But over time, like you start to kind of figure out where you want to be. And the whole like in the garage,

9:29right, the people you're racing against, that narrative changes over time depending on how you race people. And over the last 10 years, I don't really like really been in the middle much at all. Right. And then I feel like I'm one of the most respected drivers on the racetrack. I feel that around me. I feel like I feel like I have a lot of respect when I'm racing in other cars. I'm treated fairly, right? Like if I race someone hard, you're sure I get it back. But in general, I have a lot of respect on the racetrack. And that's earned over a long, long time, right? I guess I'm almost 20 years into it. It takes a long time. And I had to make up for some stuff in the beginning. But it's all reversible. And it's just kind of again, no, what's your goals? Like what are you, what are you trying to do? Everyone can have different goals. You can win in different ways, right? Like whatever you're trying to do. But for me, it was always I want to win the championship. You know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing on repeat? The sweater that goes with everything, the perfect pair of pants or the TU somehow always reach for first. Those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy. And that's what Quince does best.

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12:39but I'm just glad somebody finally walked down there and at least tried to knock that out of it. He didn't do it. He walked into a bunch, but he finally just fed up. For what? You taught Ryan a lot of things in his career. You need to teach him something else. He owned me. After that, I'm, I mean, Hosevar said, I'd never threw a punch in anybody. Ryan, I can tell you the only people he's ever fought is his two sisters. That poor kid's never thrown a punch in his life. Look, it's just, I don't know of the frustration. Ryan Blaney does not race like that. He always give people room when they pass and when it's happening. I don't know what happened. I don't know if he just said, you know what? I know and just took a shot, but it was Ryan's fault. At the end of the day, he's the one that came down on him. There's two groups, right there, especially there. Look, I counted, I got like 12 guys on my list that in all reality, you don't make those decisions on these guys, right? Because they're not going

13:41to lift, right? You got the standhouses. The same Smiths, the Thai Gibbs. I mean, you got this this 12 of them, right? And Hosevar is another one of them. It's just he's probably the top of a list. Well, I would say standhouses to top it a list of that of not giving anybody an inch when you're pulling and that's just because he wrecked you 25 years ago. No, no, it's happened. It happens a lot. And it's not like, I'm not saying anything bad about Ricky. It's just like, you should know. You should know better. And listening to the audio from the spotter, I mean, he said, crossover inside inside. You know, I mean, he gave him, yes, have things happen fast, but I've been watching Ryan Blaney race his whole life, right? He's never done that before. He's never, you know, he's always past people clean. People always give him the respect. I feel that when you're racing, Ryan Blaney and you tell me if I'm wrong or not, it's easier for you to let him go because you know when you're racing to get him, he's going to let you go, right? He's probably the

14:46marked the easiest guy on the track to race against, right? Of not feeling the pressure of, man, this guy's going to give me a hard time or you know what I'm saying? So I just feel that he made a mistake. And I don't know why he was mad. Was he just figured he was just going over there? I'm going to fight for everybody. That's maybe it wasn't like particularly just about last night. Like maybe it was just like compounding from all the issues that everybody's still. And that was the time that he chose. Was it the greatest choice? Probably not, but that, I mean, no, still, it's just real quick. Have you ever been in a race car? Yes. When? 2000 figure. 1000. What was the last time you drove a race car? I never drove a race car. Okay. Have you driven one? Yeah. There we go. Yeah, that's right. Micro's and and did you know? There's a lot going on in your head in those moments. And when I watched the three laps before and Ryan was running the top, went to the bottom, Carson tried to run the bottom in three

15:52and four. He missed it because it was you had to be really disciplined. Ryan got under him and then they race through one and two. He cleared him in three and four coming off, got up and then, you know, that was where Carson, you can make the decision as a driver to say, okay, he just passed me clean. I'm probably not going to hold them off in all reality. Like the 12 in the 54, I thought where the fastest car is that night. He's going to drive away unless you start knocking them around or or doing things. But with that long, you know, in the race left, you're you're just not going to. That's the racer sense. Like that's the smart part, right? Carson crossed them. And yeah, Ryan, Ryan started coming down, but there's there's like a bullseye's thing. There is. There is a list that you can hold on Tommy. Calm down and put it down for a second. I know, but it depends on who you race and Ryan. It depends on that. Like I said, there's a certain amount of people that you know, you can't do that, right? I'm just talking about it. I know. I'll give you a treat. Everybody you can talk about in general. You want, but there's a group that you can't do that.

16:56Carson could have lifted. Ryan could have not come down to me. It's just it's it is what it is. That's racing. That's frustrating. The difference is how many times has Carson been in an incident this year? Quite a bit. So the benefit of the doubt, it's like, you know, if I don't know, if whoever does it, you're probably not as pissed. So I don't know. I'm not really going to speak a whole lot on it, other than that was probably one of the most racing incidences that I've seen to this point. It's just it was Bristol. That's one of the most the hottest races that we go to. One of the most physically demanding for sure. And you know, I think it's just like you said, Tommy, I think it was just a poor decision because I think if Ryan just goes and runs the top like he gets him off it's over and yeah, like and I think it was just and that's not like Ryan doesn't race like that. That's what I'm saying. And I don't know if he you're you race him harder because that's how he

17:58raced there. But he else too, you know, like he it's just it was it was a bad decision on Ryan's part. It's going to probably cost him a shot of the championship. Honestly, he goes on a hell of a run here like it's that's good. That's made your analysis. Hey, this is Dale Hart Jr. And for all the latest Dale junior download gear, including the I'm all drink some beer t-shirt. We've been talking about here around the office. Head over to shop.dirtymomedia.com for all the latest merch. If you're like me, you have a lot of things on your mind. Work things, family things, what's for dinner things. So here's one last thing to think about protecting your engine. Just swing by your local take five for an oil change and ask for penzoil platinum full synthetic motor oil. It helps protect against wear, keeps your engine running clean, and gives you the kind of peace of mind you don't have to overthink. Just remember one thing. Ask for penzoil platinum by name at your local take five. Penzoil. Long may we drive. With the discovered cashback card, it's payback time when you earn cashback on everyday purchases.

19:03Activate and earn five percent cashback at different categories each quarter on up to $1,500 in purchases. That's five percent cashback at different places each quarter, like grocery stores, on gas, and at restaurants. It pays to discover. Terms applying. See Discover.com slash five for details. We ran maybe a lap and a half, two laps side by side trying to clear and got clear off of four. I left half a lane to the wall when I did get clear because I wanted to shade to try to stay on the bottom. He just had a big run and crossed over and looking back on it, but I'd say it's a 50-50. I was wanting to protect the bottom. He was wanting to get to the bottom. It was there late by a little bit, and neither of us wanted to give. I wanted the bottom. He

20:03wanted there and I ended up getting turned. Really, I'd put it on both parties. I don't think he's not 100% to blame. I'm not 100% to blame. I think it was just two guys fighting for the bottom. Bristol. I think I actually went through this with you at Loudon. I was in your way at Loudon. You shook me off the bottom there and it was like, well, that's pretty normal short track racing. Someone's got to feel like you got to go. Somebody's in your preferred lane. You try to work them over for a few laps. It doesn't happen. It's like, I got to take this space from you. You're talking about it's pretty normal as well. When you want to run a certain lane, you typically shade that way. If someone's come with a run, you shade which way you're going on the straightaway based off of where you want to be. You're naturally going to run a little bit lower anyway. My thoughts on it was that I thought Carson had two options. One was the

21:07nuclear option, which is the, okay, if you're going to come down when I've got my run, I'm not lifting. That's one option. That's the nuclear option, which is you know the outcome. That guy is going to wreck. The other option in my opinion is that you check up slightly and then when you get into the corner, he probably should chuck you then. You know, you just kind of get you off the bottom. You know, he's probably going to clear you once you get knocked off the bottom there at that racetrack. That typically is where it's the 50-50 thing from my standpoint where I think personally, and I'm not here to jump on Carson at all. Again, I've had no issues with him. He's spun us out at Sonoma. I gave him the benefit of the doubt there. Hey, you had somebody behind you kind of shoving. I feel like I've been objectively pretty fair on that. But I felt like,

22:13you know, there's always been two options and there's always two options you have when someone kind of chooses to block you. One is to just plow through them and whatever that happens to them happens to them. The other is, okay, I'm going to lift, but then I'm going to give you the business once we get into the corner. That typically will lead into something that doesn't escalate a whole lot further. The person knows, hey, I pull the block, so I'm not going to probably give anything back to you. So my thing was that he always chooses the nuclear option, which is, well, I'm there, so I'm not lifting. That's the racing part of it that definitely is tough. But everyone has a way of doing it. And everyone's code's a little bit different, right? And we know that when you're racing with me, you've got to watch for X, Y and Z. And if you're racing with another guy, they're tendencies. And so I think that's something that, in my opinion, there could have been another option there if he

23:16really didn't want to get blocked there. But the end result was the end result. We all make decisions, right? And you see up there, it was one with Chase Elliott at Martin'sville. And one where I was like thinking, okay, I'm just going to get him off the bottom here. Well, you can't expect the agata controls car when you got his tires lifted up on the entry, right? So we just, there's certain mistakes that we make through our careers that certainly we learned from. And yeah, that sucks that you ended up wrecking that situation. Yeah, it was, you know, it's stuck. And I agree, which I said, there's a couple options there. And you know, everyone's different, right? Everyone has their own code. And, you know, and if it was a case of, you know, the second option, like you said, if, you know, hey, I, you know, I protected and I just got shocked, you know, middle of the corner or as we landed and I'm up a lane, like, all right, you know, that's all right. I probably deserve that. I didn't think I deserved to just get absolutely trashed, right? You know,

24:19like we didn't, I'm kind of the same thing. Like I haven't had a problem with Carson in a while. Like he turned me around at Lanna a year or so ago. But other than that, we haven't been, you know, haven't had any problems. Right. You know, but, but yeah, I mean, that's just what happened. I ended up, I mean, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, people asked me like, why didn't you just run the top there? It's like, well, like, I didn't want to be there. Like, I just passed them on the bottom. My car was the best there. I was trying to protect our spot. And second, I was an extremely spot good spot to get and trying to run tie down for the win. And, um, yeah, we're inside four due to go, right? Or 50 to go. Yeah, inside 50 to go. So it's like, man, I, I need to, you know, try to establish myself in second to have a shot to win this race. And, you know, and hindsight's 2020 is like, well, if you just don't get crashed and you go on third, it's a great point today. But yeah, you know, hey, we're trying to win the race of Bristol and trying to give ourselves the best chance. We've just come from the back like twice. And, uh,

25:20and those things happen, unfortunately. So you had like a, you then got to do the infield care center thing. You have an interview afterwards and you're, you know, you're, you get asked full and you say something's going to happen. Like what tell me what's kind of going through, what's going through your head? So for the, for the next 20 minutes, I didn't tell any of my guys what I was doing. I, you know, Hasler was standing there. My career, you got to do that. I mean, you always had to have, to me, it's different if you go to find confrontation as opposed to if someone comes to you, then I think you have the cavalry. But in my mind, I'm not going to go walk over there with six of my guys. Like, right. Cause, cause then there are probably, that event, it mentally probably thinks to them, all right, but these guys are looking for a fight. Right. It's like, okay, I'm going to need to do this myself. Okay. So I, I just, very admirable of you. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I think that's kind of a, a rule to me. So I just handed asked for my phone. I just said, hold this and I, and I left. And he had no idea what that meant.

26:23Hold my phone. He had no, yeah. It's not as cool as RC. Hold my watch. But, you know, so I walk over there and, and you know, there are things that you regret. But, you know, I didn't really have a huge plan. Really, the only plan of mine was, you know, I'm going to have a stern conversation with Carson. I wasn't planning on throwing anything. I just really wanted to grab them and just kind of pretty much yell at them, you know, and show my displeasure. But I look at it as, well, if someone comes up to me and I granted, I kind of grabbed him by the push to met the chest and kind of grabbed him pretty aggressively, that you're probably going to defend yourself. And, you know, and he rightfully did. So, you know, so first thing I know, so he landed a pretty good right hand. The one that knocked the hat off that I thought it just clipped the hat. No, no, it got me. Yeah, got me pretty good. And it, the hat just kind of flung off my head.

27:24Okay. So that one got me pretty good. And so when that happened, I was like, okay, well, I said, probably return fire at this point. And so I had that prepared. And then Alan, the security guy, he got the guy in the green shirt. Yeah, Alan, he, he, uh, he's subbed that pretty quick. And so, so he's got me kind of here. And my right arm is, I saw that you had one arm here. The other is here, but the green shirt had had you by the, the, the torso to where you couldn't go anywhere. It's right. So he got me. And then by that time, this other spire guys were kind of closing into. Sure. And so for the second right, like I, I see the second one coming. And I'm kind of immobilized. And in my mind, I'm like, all right, I'm just going to eat this thing and, and continue to yell at him and stare at him while I just eat this other right. And I'll give it to him. He tagged me in the same exact spot that he got me the first time right right here in my cheekbone.

28:27Oh, I got all right. But I was like, the best way I can just, I just got to eat it and just continue to talk my trash that I'm broken. Sure. Sure. And so then yeah, we, we go to the ground. His guy's kind of Alan got tackled by some of his guys and brought me down. Um, and so I got back up, which was the funniest part of this thing was and then like, no, everyone forgot about me. That was the most shocking thing to me. 10 seconds later, you sneak your way in there. Like, like a, like a running back, getting a touchdown untouched. Like, there was no resistance whatsoever. Yeah, I was like, I got to get back in. Like, I was, you know, and these things happen, right? When you rewatch it back, it's like, all that stuff's a blur. Right? Because it happens all quick and really quick. And you know, you don't really have time to think or you're just doing these things. Yeah. And so I got back in there and, you know, kind of tackled this one guy into Carson and tried to jab a left kind of mist at that point. And then, and then really it was over. So, you know, there are things that I regret. I try not to, I try to

29:33set a good example for kids who are watching who are fans. Their parents who are allowing these kids to watch races and root for their driver. And I tried to act a certain way to what a kid would want to look up to. And I look back on those things and I definitely regret the way I acted. You know, that's really unlike me. But I was just, you know, it's just frustrated and you just do these things. Usually your rage is just on the radio. Yeah. And then you become very calm. Yeah. Outside. You're a jekyll and hide. You are the most jekyll and hide person I've seen. I know. When it comes to voice and displeasure in the car. But then when you get out, you're the most composed person I think I've ever met. I know. And I, and then because there's been many times where I've run you up the track or ran you in the wall. And I, and I know I got to go to you. And I'm like, he's going to piss. He is going to be so pissed when I get over there. And you just, you listen. And you're like, well, and then you probably come at me with a, well, why'd you do that?

30:37Or, you know, something like that. And I try to explain. But I always try to empathize with, listen, I just did this dude wrong. So I got to, yeah, whatever he's willing to say, I got to be willing to listen to. I was like, Spartansville deal in the spring. Yeah. You know, like, you know, we got kind of tied together and in the fence and our conversation afterwards was, was fine. Yeah. I was just, um, so that's why I was weird to me because I was the, that was opposite of what I normally was. Like I was calm initially and ramped up after the race and where I'm usually kind of ramped up initially and then calm after the race. But yeah, I, uh, man, I just, I wish I wouldn't have done that. I wish I would have gone about it a different way, you know, just from people watching. And I don't ever want to set a bad example. And, and I'll be honest with you. Yeah, I got over, I went over there and I got my ass kicked for sure. I got, I got, I ate a two piece and, you know, got, got, you know, tagged pretty good. But, you know, I just wanted to show my displeasure. All right. That was another episode of the 30 30 presented by Arby's new meat and three bucks.

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