Ep 695: Padraig Reynolds & Tabitha Brownstone

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2:01Stamps.com Code Podcast. Taxes and fees apply. Taker to sky Yuwan could ever find a paperware or cheaper Sonic plan. Is the movie craps And welcome to another edition of the movie crypt. I'm Adam Green. I'm Joe Litch. I'm actually not sure when this episode will actually be airing, but this conversation. September is sure. This conversation though was recorded about two months ago on Monday, July, what is it today? The 20th. Monday, July 20th, 20th, 20th, 26th. Oh man. As you guys know, we've been recorded way in advance

3:02because we're both, because we're idiots. We're leaving to start movie soon. Although it seems a lot more positive lately. If all goes well, we're knocking on wood. We should be gone at the time of you hearing this. Let's hope that would be nice. It would be great. When this episode wound up being one of our favorite conversations this year, it's just fun. And almost everything you've ever heard me naysay about, that's not how it's like. That won't work. You're going to get scammed. You're going to whatever it might be. You'll hear the exact opposite experience from Patrick. It's like, it's just, there's a great, Janie Lane moment in this that was unexpected. Tony Scott, like right up front. And then it guns and roses stories. That would knock your fucking socks off. And that was courtesy of Tabitha Brownstone, the actor who's also with us today, or was with us today. Yes, I really think when this episode is over

4:03for our fellow filmmakers out there, you will think of Craigslist differently. In a whole new light. So enjoy our conversation with Patrick Reynolds and Tabitha Brownstone from Gatorface. Okay, so our next guests are the two of the creative team behind, I would say, could we call it Crocs Blatation or is it Gator's Gator's Gator's? Crocs Blatation. How a Gator, a Crocs Blatation sounds much much. Driving movie without a Gator cult movie. A cult film, cult classic in the making. A formidable entry into the Crocs Blatation subgenre. Gatorface, we have two filmmakers. The first filmmaker I've known for years, you know his work from Right to Spring, Open 24 Hours, The Devil's Doll. And also our other guest, you know her work as Young Domino in the film Domino,

5:03worked with Tony Scott. So she's probably the most prestigious person in the room today. She's still seeing a hazer everywhere. Yeah, there's a lot of smoke. There's a lot of smoke. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's so notorious. Also on NCIS and Will Trent, please welcome to the movie crypt, Patrick Reynolds and Tabitha Brownstone. Yay! All right. Wait, can we start with Tabitha? Could you start it as a child actress? Yes. And you are one of few who made it unscathed from what we can see. There you go. Yeah. I'm lucky to have you. Just scars everywhere. When you go back to those days like playing Young Domino, what do you remember about it? Was it something you were already you really wanted to do this? Oh, yeah. I mean, I started acting at eight years old. I grew up in Los Angeles. So I was always around the industry. And I just knew like, there was, there's nothing in particular. It's not an exciting story because people are always like, what was the moment that you knew?

6:04There was, I just knew. I just was born. But you know what? It's that version of the story doesn't get kind of highlighted as much. It's usually the, oh, I was just out on a playground and this creepy dude comes up to me and says, want to be a movie's kid? And next thing you know, you're my cast. Who's story was that? No, but sometimes I was just, or you don't want to hear about my story afterwards. But you know, like there's usually the more like, you know, found, you know, in, you know, a needle in the haystack situation. Not, no, I just love movies and I was, you know, in this situation and I fell into it, you know? Yeah. Those aren't as attractive, but there's so many people that just go, I just want to, I want to, I just want to act. I just want to perform. Exactly. And I was lucky enough to book pretty much my first audition ever, which was for Domino and that was your first audition. My first audition. Good, I was a game. It was talking about setting expectations though,

7:05because now you're like, I got this. I was like, well, acting is really easy. You just go in and you get the job, I guess. That's incredible. Holy shit. I trained to do a British accent. I had a dialect coach. My parents hired someone because the character's British. And then I went to the call back with Tony Scott and I met him and he's British. So I was eight years old and I was like, I'm not going to do a British accent for a British guy. Like, I mean, they could have gone to so many British actresses. Yeah. And you were so good that they're like, fuck it. Let's, let's, let's make this happen. Well, so I said, he's going to know I'm lying, because he's British. So I just did the audition as an American and I walked out and I turned around and I was like, what was your name again? And he goes, Tony. And I said, it's nice to meet you, Tony. And then I left and then my mom was like, how to go? I said, I didn't do the British accent. I was American. Tabitha, why did we hire to go? Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah. And you got it anyway. And I freaking got it anyway. Oh my god. And he was amazing. He was incredible to work with.

8:06Oh my gosh, just the hat, the cigar. He was always. To the vest. Right? Yeah, the vest. And he had a hand crank camera because that movie has, you know, his style. He had a lot of stuff. You caught Tony at the, like, his midlife crisis era? That was like his creative throw everything. And it kept working. He was using seven different cameras. He's using different hand crank. I didn't know that he actually shot that stuff. Well, he was in there with the camera. That's fucking nuts. Yeah. He was awesome. That's crazy. Yeah. So like being in that film, you know, again, that was a big budget movie, Kira Knightley, you know, like it. I remember that movie being pretty high profile. Did you get to go to the premiere? I was at the premiere. What was it? Well, knowing that that movie is quite extreme. Yeah. You were, I guess, nine when the movie came out? Yeah. Look, I was watching all sorts of movies. OK. Good. Because I'm sitting there going like, what did a nine-year-old think of that fucking movie?

9:06Yeah. My other favorite performance around that time was Eric, Echristian, Sin and Traffic. So I was like, that's a drug addict. Like, oh my gosh. So like those are the movies that I liked as a kid, you know? Like Domino, like stuff like that. Do you think that it prepared you for the subsequent, because you know, you've done a lot of films. You've done a lot of TV as well. And TV is a completely different medium when it comes to performers, because you know, on a Tony Scott set, I'm sure it was like, all right, we'll get it when we get it. And we'll get, when you get on a TV set, it's get this now. We're already behind. Yeah. And you just, and you just walked on set. Here's 40 new pages to memorize. And some movies are like that too. Yeah. That's very true. Yeah. But for you, did you feel like that was a good training ground for, I guess, everything moving forward? Domino. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I couldn't have had a better training ground than that. That was like incredible. And I went from that and then did some other roles on TV and then went into Keith directed by Todd Kessler.

10:07And yeah, I just found that like, through being directed by Tony, I really was trusting of myself and my instincts as an actor. And he really gave me that as an eight-year-old. He spoke to me like I was an adult. And like, there was just total trust, total creative liberty. And speaking to you and treating you as another adult on that set must have played a part in how you developed your process for how you approached stuff, right? Definitely. Yeah. It was very formative for me because I took that. And I said, oh, well, if this guy who's made all of these incredible films trusted me to do this job. And I brought everything that I brought to it. And of course, he gave me notes and directed me, of course. But it was very trusting and very liberating, honestly, as an artist to just be able to go in and make my own choices. And I felt like a grown-up. I was like, nine years old in Las Vegas.

11:08That's all crazy. What's interesting too is I've been obsessed with Tony's work for years. And you read a lot of articles and it was such a shame to lose him so early. But one of the things that he's always been good at is casting. Because you were on set. So you know the one-to-one relationship between actor and director better than anybody. But in most cases, whenever he would talk about directing actors, it wasn't that he wasn't as interested in the process of it. It was that, like, he even said, like, I cast people to know that they're going to do the best job possible so that I don't have to worry about it. So I can worry about the handcranks and the seven different cameras and getting enough smoke in the shot. So that's like, if anything, anybody cast in a Tony Scott movie is already getting like the seal of approval as being a good performer enough to not have for him not to worry about it. Patrick, for you, we've known each other for years. We've never had you on the show. Wasn't it, I think, right, so spring was the first time

12:10we all met. Yeah. That's the first time I met all of the kind everybody around time. It takes one movie to get us into the flow. But that was like 18 years ago now, something like that. So yeah, it's been a long time. And you're still still kicking. I'm still chucking away. Five movies in. I need 10 before I die. And then I'll be back. Oh, you're going for the Tarantino number. Oh, yeah. I'm going for the Tarantino number. Be heavily curated, you know, so make sure that you don't have to. 10 videos, 10 movies, then I'm good to go. How did you get your... That's all I am with the jam. I'll go 10 times. I'm good. Yeah. If it was only that case. For you, what sparked the interest in doing film? Well, I was in a rock band for like 15 years, 10 years. Was it the music videos that kind of got you into that idea? No, we played. We toured around, released what we got dropped by Sony. And then... What was the band again? Oh, the NUX. Interesting thing you'd like. We played Jenny Lane's birthday party. Really? Jenny Lane was a big fan of my band, The NUX. Wow. More for more. I'm sorry to stop the entire conversation. Did you just see his eyeball pop out a little bit?

13:12I... That's time, I remember. I think so much. I am... He was the nicest guy in the entire world. And he... Well, he would come see us. We played this club called Toccoca Nutzer. Like every... We would be like the house band at like 11 o'clock in the night of every... Every Friday. And then he would come down and the guys from Cinderella would come down. We're like, fuck, we love you guys. I know you're not the metal, but we love fucking love you guys. And he's like, can you play my birthday party at FM Station? So yeah, we'll play his birthday party at FM Station. Fuck yeah. And is it food? Yes. Obviously. Obviously. I'm not going to my car. This is fucking... But you all do talking about the old rock and roll. The folk rock bands didn't get the same girls that the metal guys got. And then we played and then to make a long story short, we made a bunch. We toured around the country with... We opened up for the chili peppers, social distortion, lemon heads. We played it with all those people. And then we built a studio in Tarzanah. We were from Missouri. And we built to you in Tarzanah and we got dropped. I'm like, fuck what are we going to do?

14:13And I'm like, I always wanted to go on a film and television. So then I wrote a script. Let me make life harder for myself. Yeah, exactly. I met Sean Cunningham and I wrote a script for him. I want to marry a parrots, but like a horror movie. I'm like, okay, I can do that. So then I wrote it. Did you, did you, did you, immediately go horror, horrorous parrots? So I wrote the election. I got Ray Weiss and Lynn Shade to be in it. And I won a bunch of awards. I'm like, oh, I can do that. I worked at Sony for a little bit when they're Crackle Division as their main writer. Oh, you were a Crackle? Yeah. As they were their main writers. And then I got right to spring through Craigslist ad. I put an ad up for Craigslist about I need money for it. That's all you leave it at that. I have money. Yeah. I'm on Craigslist right now. So this was like, was this before crowdfunding or was crowdfunding already a thing? Before, it was like 2008, 2009. Okay, yeah. So Eric from Maverick Red, he was, he was, he was, he was,

15:15he did the picture. He's, he goes, oh, can you send me what you, what you, what you have? And I go, yeah, I sent it to him. And I went out and I shot something. That's how I sort of get all my things. I go out and shot some. So I shot this girl running through it, a cornfield and all that shit. And he goes, this looks really good. We want to do it. I'm like, cool. And then Maverick obviously fell through. And then like, how would I have these guys in Mississippi? Would you go to Mississippi? I'm like, how could I Mississippi? I went there. He showed the trailer to his daughter. He would, you watch this? He's, she's like, oh, yeah, I watched that. Like, gave me five hundred and a thousand dollars. I was like, what in the world? On Craigslist right now. That is one of the best stories ever shared on this podcast. Almost 700 episodes. But to just do a posting on Craigslist, yeah, I've got a movie. I just need the money and somebody answered. Answered. I hope everybody out there just, just try it. You've got nothing. I mean, that was someone who's in the established company. I want to Mississippi. They don't meet you in the office. They have no money. They have nothing. I'm like, okay, cool. I met him on Waffle House. Any of you have a perfect place.

16:15Yeah. And if there was ever a sign of not having any money in the name of that six. It's mother-to-cover baby. He's up. And he goes, come on, I want to drive you around and look at these locations. Okay, cool. We want to allow this. Looks cool. But it was in Baloxie. They wanted to shoot in Baloxie because they wanted to bring infrastructure back after Hurricane. And I'm like, I'm not really nothing here for a farm right to spring movie. And then I went up to Jackson and I was looking around there. I'm like, oh, this place is right. Oh, this place is pretty. We shot suitable flats. Yeah, I go, this is great. Well, you use Dave Matthews. Yup. Dave Matthews was, so I did right to spring. And then I did worry, I was now in my day was that he came in and did b-roll for me. I was like, I need somebody there, but I didn't want to, my guys from Los Angeles, I didn't want to fly what. So I got Dave and I'm like, wow, Dave, this guy, this guy is fucking good. This looks really good. And he was super, he's the nicest guy. Nice is guy, super fast. He's like Will where, you know, like, he's amazing.

17:17So he's done everything. I'm going to shoot open, I'm going to do a little, there's this gas station at the end of right to spring. And it was spooky shit. And I'm like, this place is great. I'm going to ride a whole movie around this. And so I wrote open 24 hours just around that gas station. This podcast is supported by your Southern California Kia dealers. It's hard not to notice how many electric vehicles are on the 405, 101 and 10 freeways these days. Better technology, convenient charging, and longer driving range are making the switch to electric more practical than ever. Kia offers three all electric models that combine performance, technology, and capability. With compatible DC fast chargers, they can charge to 80% in less than 30 minutes, making it easier to get back on the road. One model that really stands out is the 2026 Kia EV9. It's an all electric SUV with three rows of seating, over 300 miles of all electric driving range, and the capability and technology you'd expect from a modern SUV.

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20:21I love how every time someone calls you, I can see you. You just got caught. All right. Okay. What is it? Oh, got Pete Davidson character on SNL. We're like, okay, great, great. And he's, we need your social security number. I go, that's not gonna happen. I go. You gotta take me to Waffle House first. I go, I go. Yeah. Wait, we let go. No, no, we're going excelsia. We're going to eye-hop. We're going to eye-hop. And I go, how did you see open twing? How do you, we saw the trailer. We want to give you, we want to do this movie for you. We have a dance. It's gonna be $1.2 million. I'm like, sure, yeah, you're gonna build me a house too. And then I go, and then I go, okay, if you're serious, then buy the script, put my money in account, you know, and we'll rock and roll. Bam. And then I was, and then I go, okay, I guess this is real. So I go, and that's when I told, I started putting everybody together, and you know, I go production. And I go, why don't we just shoot it in a Mississippi and there's some gas station sitting there. It's only, it's only really $4,000 for 10 days. It's pretty cheap.

21:22We'll build you a gas station. I go, okay, and that's what they did. That's how I got over to Serbian. That's how I got his production designer. They had the Mississippi gas station on their production board, the full scale of it, and they just rebuilt it there. It was amazing. They shot an old Russian factory. Wow. And they had a big old motor in the middle where the mini-mart was supposed to be. And they're like, this is where the mini-mart's going to go. I don't know, I was fucking motoring the middle of the mini-mart. It goes, it's going to be gone by this afternoon. I go, okay. And so I come back and go, look at that. It's going. I just love that everything that I would normally say with 100% confidence, oh, that was a scam. That's a scam. And it was real and it worked. And it's amazing. And I thought it was something one day. There was like, hey, if somebody doesn't meet you within the office, they're not real. And I go, I don't know, I met a guy and fucking waffle house off of Craigslist and he gave me a lot of money. And they're like, no, when I go, yeah.

22:24Everybody who's listening to this start hanging out at waffle house. And start twisting on Craigslist. Wait, I'm still stuck on a Craigslist thing. What did you write in the ad, do you remember? I said, I need an executive producer from my movie. I need funding. I've done this movie called The Election. Here's a link to it. Bubba, blah. Wow. And then Eric Thompson email me, he goes, that I love the election looks cool. Come a little closer. I said, the election looks so nice. I go, the election looks really cool. Love to meet you. So I met him at the Maverick red offices. And I'm like, OK, this is cool. And then he says, yeah. And then he goes, well, he fell through, but I have these guys in Mississippi. You want to go meet him? I'm like, yeah. So I figured out on my own dime and met him. Wow. We want to see his brother on a tractor and he's drinking moon shining. He gave me some moon shining. I'm like, this is great. Oh my god. All right. Wait, before we get to Gatorface, I got to go back to Janie Lane. Sorry, because we started with the non-expecting Tony Scott story. And then we can end the episode now and bring up Janie Lane.

23:24Amazing stories. I know we have a lot of younger people who listen to the show. Janie Lane was the singer and more importantly, the songwriter for the band warrant. And he was one of the best songwriters of that style of music, I think. And he's so underappreciated, because he's remembered as the Cherry Pie guy, which is sad, because that's a song he was forced to write. And the last wrote it in like two hours. It's a great song. It is, but the album was called Uncle Tom's Cabana. And then, which is a better song. Love and an elevator came out. And the label's like, we need that. So he wrote Cherry Pie. And like two hours was like, I don't like it, but here you go. And all of a sudden that became his identity. But you knew him. Like you really knew him. I had two run-ins with him that were like very comical. I sat in back with a coconut teaser. And I'll talk to him. And he'd always be like, depression, you're like, you're the future. You're like, I'm just playing 11 o'clock on coconut teaser when I'm on a full Tuesday, bro. This is why I wanted to bring this up. Yesterday, we had our live show.

24:26And I mentioned this guy. I know this isn't going to run for weeks. But there's a guy out there in the world named John Torah. And currently, the band Quiet Riot has announced they're looking for yet. Another lead singer, because now, Jizzie Pearl from Love Hate is stepping down. And this dude is literally, if you shut your eyes, he's Kevin DeBrow. Like he is the closest thing Quiet Riot will ever find to the voice that they started with. He's amazing, 23 years old. And apparently, Jizzie, who we love, this guy named is Jizzie. Oh, this is fucking A.O. Tab of this face is glazing over, right? I love it. But the rest of the music community, much like they've done with Youngblood, who's been around for a long time. But ever since Ozzy's thing, everyone is championing him. But I've always heard that about people like Janie Lane, that he did that too. Like when he'd see a band, even if it wasn't what they did, he would do that in encouragement. And Cinderella guys would come down and watch us all the time.

25:27And it was, it was, I wish everybody, like I know the Nirvana bomb killed everybody. Yeah, I wish everybody could have just, they had already killed themselves though. Everyone tries to say it was Nirvana. It was over. Everyone was sick of it. But I think it could have still went on, because he would say that. So I go, no, do everybody's, there's room for everybody. It's just all, you know. Everyone was just another metal band. I don't care what every band changes the metal band. Alas and chains, too. The greatest fucking music. They were called Mighty Joe Young. They were fun. They were fun, they were fun, band. So everybody needs to sit down and relax, because they are, everybody comes from somewhere. Yes. Scott won them. And it's all great. Yeah, it's all great. And that's what I would say. But like, this is great. Let's all just, you know, we play with all these great bands. We went on tour with the Jim Rose circus. Oh, we know that. That must have been easy. I've been watching, I did it 100 torsionist who would like sit inside this little, sorry, Tim. And she was, I want you to, okay, yeah, yeah. But it was the, the, the, the, the, the, the little lala polusa days, you know,

26:28I thank you for entertaining me with that. I've been watching a lot of 120 minutes, and they, they had like a whole episode with Jim Rose. I forgot. Oh, fuck that. It was amazing. Like, they were sorts of all those like a circus freak. Yeah. We would play before they would go on after. And then we've, and we toured around Canada. And Canada's amazing place. It was, I was really lucky because I got to do all that stuff. It was a band that I grew up with and, um, and St. Louis. And we got lucky because we went on tour with a bunch of cool people. When, do you remember the moment of non-pursuing film more than, yeah, the, uh, capital came out to see us. They were going to, they wanted to, it was between us and another band. And they said, well, you guys are too old. And I was like, oh, I guess this is over. And that's, that's it. And then that's the death now when you're, when the label says you're too old. They send me, they send me us instead. Oh my God. No one's even heard of them. Yeah. What is that? You, you guys were weird. But it was, it was, you know,

27:29I was, then I went back, me, me, a drummer had a, had a conversation. And I was like, okay, I guess we're going to go do something else. Like I'm going to go on a film and television and, you know, a worse, a worse career move that you could possibly ever make. But, you know, it was good. But there was something, when, when I left the, made that decision, it was because I couldn't depend and stake my career on, uh, three other guys. Right. Like I'd rather have it all writing on me. Like if it's me in a computer typing and writing and hitting the pavement. But like, you know, it's hard in a band. It's just hard. You got all the people. I would do it in a second. It was the best time ever. Oh, it was so fun. I was traveling around in a van and just playing the people that actually, you know, it's, it's, uh, it's a high that you can never get on stage in your plane in front of people. But we, we, we, I was writing scripts. But that one says we were, as we were traveling, I was always writing these scripts that I was, we always end into genre. I was supposed to go to the jetman college right out of high school to go to film school. And then my, so it found its way back into your life.

28:29Yeah. And then my guitar player was like, uh, no, you got to be, we got to do this. And then, so, and then rich, you know, guns rosers rich for us. Yeah, of course. We used to play with Rich. He used to be in a band called The Eyes. And we've played with them all the time. He's a really wonderful guy. And James Gunn, we played with James Gunn too. He was in the band. He was in the band called The Pods. Yeah. And, uh, interesting story. I'll tell you about that off camera. But, uh, you're doing the next Superman. No, no way. But, uh, it was just, it was really just a great time. And Rich, Rich would always be like, dude, why don't you do when our music video is back down? I'm like, I know, dude, I was just drinking and having fun. You don't really, you know, you think everything's going to go well forever. Not everything. Because you know how like, um, Lincoln Park had Mr. Han, their DJ was their exclusive music video director, right? But in most cases, like, to take that on as you're now, you're the video director for your own band. Hey, Rob Zombie, does it? Yeah. That's true. He does it really well.

29:31Really well. Because he just shoots all of his fucking videos in his basement now, you know? Well, nothing wrong with that. He's fucking great. Nothing wrong with it. I'm not knocking him. I did a band called Palais Royale. I did a couple of videos. You've done a bunch of videos. Yeah, you did. I'm doing one of it right after this podcast. Like you're going over there and shooting on the beach. Do you like, I mean, I shouldn't even ask this. Like do you like music videos? I love it because it's the best feeling. I love it. One day shoot, maybe two if you get kind of concepty or whatever. And your band's always freak out. Oh my God, dude, what a good activist music video. We put dogs in there. Or you put anything we want. It's a music who cares. How many times I put weird shit in there? And no one sees it or none the wiser. But it's so life or death. It's so funny when you deal with bands that you get older and now you deal with bands that are younger. You like, dude, it's not life or death. It's fine. It's going to be okay. Yeah, but see, the thing is for them, because I've dealt with that a couple of times with like more baby bands where they're like, this is everything. Make sure you get my left side to my mom says that my left side is the best side. But you can see where they're coming from.

30:31You've waited your whole life for this. It's finally happening. And you're getting your own music video. You don't want to just sit back and not speak up because it's important. Well, and that's when I came to the table with a lot of ideas, right? And then I said, then they're like, they're like, look, we're not going to go with your ideas. And then I was like, oh, okay, it's exactly what I would have done back then. I'm not listening to you. I want to do my own ideas. And you're going to execute them. And I'm like, love it. Let's do it, guys. Let's do it. Whatever you go, let's go. Whatever you guys want in it. Let's do it. Was it Steve Barron who had the story about Mark Noffler from Dire Straits? Yes. When he pitched in the idea for money for nothing. One of the most iconic videos like the face of MTV. And Noffler hated it. And then once they saw it and it became huge, it was just like, you're doing all our videos. Just tell me what we're doing. Like, just. Wow. But it's got to be hard when it's your music. I mean, you have to. Because it hears this outside as a character. Who's coming. Because you gave your performance, but then what you see, I'm sure there's been times

31:34that you're like, I know I had a better take than that. Why did they go with that? Why did they cut away here? It's not. You just have to sort of accept how it's going to go, but it's out of your hands at a certain point. Yeah. For sure. And I love how they come. Every band comes with their own. I did this band called Madam Bombs. And I saw them at a bowling alley. And I went up there 18 years old in their high school. And I went up to their mom. I go, hey, I like these guys. Can I do music video for them? I go, I won't charge you. Get away from me, creepy man. I won't charge you anything. That's how Joe got his film career. Yes, it's true. I go, I won't. And I talked to all the moms. It was great. It was like, it was really, and they came to, we want to do this. We want to go to a smash room. We want to be thrown on us. We want to smash up cars. I'm like, oh, that was the girl's music. That was a good music video. I know, let's do it. And then we just went and we shot it. So it's one of the things we got to get to get her face. We're never going to get to it at this rate. OK, so how did this come about? I have so many questions. How did this particular one come about? I was in Florida for another job.

32:37I was driving down the road. I saw that a band of beach house, right? So I pull in the band of beach house. I go, wow, this place is creepy as fuck. And I was just looking around it. They come out, what are you looking at? What are you doing on my property? And I'm like, hey, I was thinking about shooting a movie here. I go, could I use this house as a shooting? And I'm like, oh, yeah, come on in. That was it. You didn't even have an idea. I didn't have an idea. Yeah. And then I went back to my little magic beach hotel, which is a mate that's not there anymore. We stayed there. RIP Magic Beach, Motel, best place ever. It's like old 60s, really? Literally. Oh, one of those Kitchy retro ones. What's the TV show that they did? And it was like the sign was featured. It has bunnies on it. It's amazing. But anyway, so I went back. I was like, OK, I want to write something around this house.

33:38I'm like, alligators, cool, cool. And I go, what are girls go to the beach? They walk by the house. They go inside the house. They get attacked by an alligator guy. Everything runs from that. Because I knew I wasn't going to have a lot of them. But starting with the way that you do. But right there, everyone always warns you when you get started. Just try to not work with kids and pets. And then you're like, oh, let's do alligators. So although I'll be prosthetic, we won't have real alligators. Had you already started to try to grapple with that? Because they're dangerous. Yeah. And I've worked with fire. I've worked with rain. I've worked with dogs. I've worked with tapetha. Alligators and cows that sat in the middle of the road and weren't supposed to move. Cats, wolves. But wolves, yeah. And then I was like, now I figured out. So I wrote a short around the whole thing. And I was like, OK, I'm going to shoot the short. See if I can raise money for it. And then I got this alligator, Shelley.

34:41They do. There's this place going to Miami. They have the animal wranglers. They have animal zone. Thanks. And so I got Shelley. I went and shot the alligator. And then I can pause it to them to the shore. Yeah. Now this was an independent movie. But was there ever any talk about no actual alligator anywhere in the movie? Because a lot of the stuff we're starting to see now, even dogs that are doing basic stuff that dogs have done on camera forever, they're all CG now. And obviously the technology isn't quite there yet. They still don't look real. They don't look real. But it's getting better. It's getting better. But it seems like in a few more years, it's going to be no more animals on set, which is probably the best thing for the animals. We shot them all at a sanctuary. So I was very, I was very things that I had to go this animal. That's how I got all the alligator from. And I know that I was like, OK, I want to do a driving movie from the 70s. Obviously they didn't have CGI back then. So I'm just going to make it all basically practical. So I shot the short.

35:42We epic saw the short. And they said, hey, we're going to give you, we love the finance of the future. We're going to give you $10 million. $180 million. Yes. So we're all out. And they wrote the script. And I sent it to them and they liked it. And then I said, OK, and then they were like, when we shoot in June, I go, can't shoot in June, we'll die in Florida. Yeah. So let's move to September. So we moved to September. And then, there was a five-minute crew, which was a May, DP sound. And then we had one gaffer for the nighttime stuff. And that's it. And then we had a girl who did ward, but we couldn't pay her. So she just dressed everybody. So they came every morning. They had their little outfits on. They came out to think we went out and we shot. We went on the van. We drove on. OK. So now for you, Tabitha, you started on a Tony Scott movie. You've done all kinds of network TV shows and stuff. Now showing up, it's a five-person crew. It's so small. It sounded dirty. Was that exciting for you or was it, oh no. Oh my gosh, of course exciting. I love independent film. And talking to Patrick about it, I just

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41:51the way they come up and stuff reminded me of Tyson Chesa. The blue sky is the clouds. Yeah. And I really wanted we shot on the airy, but we had these, and I'm more sure, we had these 16 lenses shot in 2K. So we would make everything look more, because I think, like Grittier, Grittier and make everything a little bit more colorful. I think a lot of movies today kind of look in the same. I have the desaturated. And it is. You know what it is? It was like the bleach bypass in the mid 2000s where everybody was doing that. It's because everyone is using LEDs now. There's no harsh lights anymore. So now everything, I hate that yellow look, that every fucking TV show I really like using the LEDs. No, no, I'm not saying that it's wrong, but what it's so much better than. It is easier, but you're losing contrast. That's the thing that I think, you know, makes something more or less cinematic. Yes, LEDs are great, but there is a compromise, you know? But to be able to go out and shoot most of this run and gun,

42:52guerrilla style, that must have been so freeing in a way. It's very, it's very, I'm like, yeah, we don't need anybody. This is great. I mean, it was still like, it was, because we made, we literally made our days half, there's a lot of the days we were, we were, we were, we were wrapped early, we were, we got, because there's like nobody there to like tell you, it's like, I have a person crew, it's so manageable, but it's not even a company move. There's a group move. Yeah, it's like in the car, kids, we're not letting you out. We have, I had a two great key people in Florida, Matt and Rick, who basically like got me all the locations, and they cause they knew anybody, because like I'd be like, I need to, oh, I know that person, we'll go right over there. Bam, we're over there in a second. What about your effects? So this movie has a ton of effects on it. That's Josh. How did you get the Russell facts? I was gonna say, how did you get the Russell's? Because they're so in demand. We, I've worked with, I met Josh, I guess we're in my Josh off of, thank you guys. Craig's life, Craig's life. Jesus, we gotta get on Craig's list. Yeah, I go, I need someone. What am I doing wrong? I go, I'm doing those, is that like, what is it?

43:54Like on a half like Twitter? How do I look? I'm doing rides to spring, and I was not happy with the effects, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna do these reshoots. I need somebody, fuck it, I'll just put an on, Craig's list, and then Josh, email me, I can chop off somebody, he said, cool, I went mad at him. Yeah, man, let's go. That's what you usually read on Craig's list. Yeah, dude, I can chop off a person's head. Cool, let's go, let's go ahead, let's go to Mississippi, done. He's been my best friend since that day. And then I was like, for the alligator thing, I go, let's just make a puppet alligator head. Did he find your one, Craig's list too? Yeah, I was on the list. I found her on backstage West. Backstage. I found all my, all the old things that people used to use, that nobody really thinks that, that for this anymore, and you're using all of them and it's working out. Well, I saw her, I just saw her picture, I go, oh, she looks amazing. And then I looked and I saw Tony Scott, I go, she's hired. And I was just, not just Tony, look at all of the credit. And I just call her up, I go, you're hired. And, but a lot of them, what have she been like,

44:54what fuck you, I don't want to do this. Oh, she was like crazy. And we literally, we just gone on the phone and he's so cool, we just chit-chatting, and I was like, okay, yeah, I'm doing it. Like, it was easy, like how are he saying, Craig's list, this guy, that guy, like it just flowed naturally. It was incredible. Cut out the middleman. Yeah. I mean, I'm from a punk rock band. That's a punk rock, as if you fucking get. That's what people's windshields to have them come see your rock band, that's how I grew up. So I'm just like, okay. And the punk aspect also probably could be attributed to the fact that you've seen pretty fearless with the wall just to ask. Like, I'm looking at this house, the guy's angry that I'm looking at this house. I'm just gonna see what this might cost. Like, I don't want to bother him with that. Oh, they're not gonna wanna give it to me. I'm not gonna ask that. They're gonna say, you know what? They're gonna say, oh, but they're so, Florida has his bad stigma like, you know, because it's Florida. Everywhere has a bad stigma. But it's like, when he's before, so like, he was so freaking hot shooting in that house, they go, we're gonna go buy you an air conditioner for the house. I'm like, oh, it's awesome.

45:55So they bought us an air conditioner and the house and all the girls were hot and were on the air conditioning. When I did the short, because I shot the short in June. And then the mom of Ellie, she's like, you need a tent on the beach. That beach is too hot. So they would buy us a tent and they put us a tent over it. Just like everybody went their extra miles and just, these is, well, you guys did something right for them to catch the bug and feel like they wanted to see you succeed too and they wanted it to be good. That's why that comes from. That comes from, when you start to kind of venture outside of the usual places like LA, New York and now it's Atlanta and Albuquerque. Like all those people are so used to movies being shot there that the luster is gone a little bit. But you take it like when we went to Mississippi, there were still people were like, y'all making a movie. So exciting. I'll go to Kogers right now and just get you some fruit. Yeah, we all need it. Which did happen the multiple times. People still, there are swatches of the world where people are still like Serbia. They're still excited about the magic of making movies. Well, the news came out when I was shooting the short

46:57because we wrote three dead inside on the side of the house, right? And the production is then it goes. Which is a great story point to the characters walk by a place. Yeah, that was so cool. Shortly after they walked by it again and now it says three dead inside. It was a great way to open it. The production design was like, I'll put, we're shooting on Monday. She was, I'll put it up on Saturday. I go, do you put that up on Saturday? We're gonna have cops here and cops are there in five minutes. Like, like, like, one day morning. Like, what's going on? I'm going to go, we're shooting a movie. He goes, okay, cool. See you later. I just, I go, can you, can you, so if you want to commit a murder, say it's a movie. Say it's a movie. Get on the right homeless. On Craigslist. Hey, I'm looking to bury a body. You can't be found. I'll cut a head off for you. I got to, man, let's go to Mississippi. If I be Josh Russell, too, doing it. See you in Mississippi. Josh and I hit it off really well. So we just, because he's got a musical background here. So it's just like easy to just to talk. And did they just get the effects here and then send it out there or did they go out there? I drove the whole van in. We filled the whole van up full of,

47:59I had a fake alligator that I got off a guy here. Gotta wish you got pulled over. And then, oh, I'd ax his there. That's what I need. I'm just surviving by myself through the desert. Almost every effects artist has a story about, this was very recent in Malta when pedagraphed arrived with all his body parts and the shit and customs is going through it. Like, what, what is this for? What is it? They're used to it now and they're like, okay, they recognize its movie props. But when they're scanning your stuff and there's a head, a severed head in it or an arm. What are you dealing with this, buddy? Yeah, you're hoping it's gonna be a prop for a movie, but it might not be. And it was just cheaper for me to just drive it. I'll just drive it out there. And they're like, yeah, you? I'm like, yeah, I'll just get a van, drive it all out there. The people, because when you have that, the, I guess the gatekeeping of above the line and below the line, everyone just assumes that anybody like the director or the head's department, they would never do something like that drive, drive all the stuff out. Not realizing that we go, fuck it.

49:00And we became really close to him, he's Baron, who's like, who's off, like he got killed. And then he's like, he didn't go home, he stayed for two extra days to pee. Really? To pee. He's there, he's helping out on set. Helping out on set. Let me help you list this. But that is a tribute onto you guys. Exactly. Because every, and this is something I feel like we don't talk about enough, because I don't know, it sounds manipulative, but it's not. But your job as the director, as the keeper of the story, as the producers, as the first on the call sheet lead, is to make sure that everybody is excited and on board. Because it's almost down from you. If you're angry all the time, if you're disappointed all the time, that isn't right, that it does affect. No one wants to talk to you. And you gotta get them all making the same movie, you want them to all care about it, it's not just a gig. And when it's something small like this, it's rare that it's just a gig, because no one's there for the day. No one's like, I'm only here for the money. But that's what's so great about it. I mean, it's that excitement. It's like, I mean, we're making something that's cool.

50:02I mean, we're not working at pizza hot or anything. I always had to. This is cool. Remember all those days, you're waiting for another gig and wondering if it might never happen. We have one now, so let's enjoy this. We're so lucky that we get to be here. We were in the middle of a swamp, and I was in my underwear. And I was like, because everybody was scared to get in the swamp. What were the bugs like for you guys? Honestly. There's bugs in every frame. If you look at the movie, there's a shroom. Shroom. We went through an awful thing on hatchet three-shooting in a real swamp. But you don't see the bugs in the frame, but we were dying, getting eaten alive. And they killed your lights, because they all hung around in your lights. They get all the lights. Yeah. They're all in the lights, yeah. They're all in the lights, yeah. Clustered around and everything. The poor dude up in the fucking bucket. The condor? On the condor. Yeah. And he had mosquito netting everywhere. That's... But I mean, he's right by this huge light, so every bug in that swamp was... We had a bullfrog. And every time he would actually go, uh. I don't mind. He was just going to bullfrog. Okay, that's your first AD. Yeah. But while we're talking about this, the bugs was shooting in Florida. Even September, it still could be...

51:03Really fucking hot. It was really... And humid. So shooting a movie that had so many outdoor locations, like you did obviously make good use of that house. But what was that like on your hours, especially, because you have a small crew. So were you able to shoot more days? Because I already said you... No, we shot it in 14 days. 14 days. 14 days. But I already had the... I already had the short done. So... So you incorporated the short stuff? Which parts were... The whole opening to the short. That's the short. Yep. How did you feel performance wise? Because I'm assuming you had to do a ton every day. Was it ever moving so fast where you were like, I don't even know what we did today, or if it was any good? Well, it was actually really fun because we shot in complete sequence, which I've never done before. Oh, that's cool. That's true. Yeah, and rare. Because I had to do the schedule. I'm dumb, so I'm like... I'm the same way. I'm always like, I'm in order, because I don't understand. I understand. And then when the first 80 shows me, yeah, yeah, so what we're here, we'll get the insert of this,

52:03and we'll get to, and I'm like, I'll do it, I don't... I'm lost. I'm just shooting it. So we just get in the van, and we have the script, and then every day we just crumble the pages we did yesterday, and just like, now it's these pages, and then we take the rest away. Yeah, yeah. But we were freaking out, because it's September, so it was like hurricane season in Florida, but that's the part of the magic of what happened on the film. There was no rain. There was no rain. Yeah, lucky. And then, hey, there was rain for two hours, and it was light rain. Wow. And that's like middle September, which is rainy and... Can you guys come in every week, because it's so nice to hear, and things worked out. Yeah. And then things went well. And it's just so nice. I kind of hate you both a little. No, I'm loving this. I've really haven't... I've done five movies. I've really haven't... I don't know what I really haven't had any problems. Like, I say that too, like the actual shoot, working with actors, the crew, no matter how hard it was, frozen on a mountain or a sea, or a sea, like it was always a great experience. I always loved everybody. It was always... Like, I don't... I'm sure you guys all agree. It's not the hard work, or the challenges, or the weather,

53:03or this thing fell over. That's what you're there for. Everyone gets together. You figure it out. It's the business side of it. Well, that's where everything gets bogged down and killed. And this is the first movie where I was like in charge of everything, or like LLC, all that stuff. I hate all that stuff. I know. I just want people. I just want people. I think that's the way you almost have to do it. You have to, but I hate it so much. I just want people to give me money. Go make movies. But otherwise, do you want to be a filmmaker? Do you want to be an actor? Do you want to be nine other hats? The business side. So that you can do the one thing you really want. I don't know. At least know what I know when someone tries to screw you over. Yeah. The emotion. Well, there's no money to screw over on this movie. But the first time you find out, all the movies coming out, awesome. Yeah. How are people going to know they're like, that's on you, man. And it's like, I'm not going to be a car salesman going out and hogging out. Right. And then nobody knows the thing exists. Yeah. And it's so sad to see these great movies. We are like, no one's heard of this. And but that's what the good thing about it is, like, when you make something, it's like,

54:03okay, I got to put my whole heart and effort into this. Because it was a year ago that we made this. We went on September 8th. So it's been a four year. So now it's going to be a four year. And then we're going to be a four year old. And then we're going to be a four year old. And then we're going to be a four year old. And then we're going to be a four year old. And then we're going to be a four year old. So now it's coming out that we made this. We went on September 8th. So it's been a four year. So now it's coming out. But then it was a year before that when I made this short. So it's just like things just like take time in this industry before you know it. It's like, you know, you know, how you say that all of a sudden, bam, 16 years since right this spring, you know, you're like, what the heck's going on? Yeah. So but, I love it. I think it's just great. I just like, I just like getting in there and doing. Can you answer? You know when I was driving to Florida in the Vanneglass, great man. I'm listening to Margaritaville. This is awesome. This is gonna be great. You know, you just become like bodyguards in the back. Yeah, you know, and you know, it was good. I could have a lot of worse things. This is true. This is freaking great. I had Tavathade. You worked with a lot of effects or blood. I've been covered in stuff before this. This was the most ever and it was so fun. I loved it. It was

55:07incredible. Just like getting in the water and then pouring the blood in your mouth and then seeing like they come over. They have to do the thing put something on your face. You're like, okay, this is great. I'm living the dream. Yeah, it's just so fun. But also, I wanted to say like what you guys were talking about, everything just working out and really going smoothly. I really feel like in great part emanated from Paki in general on the whole project. Like even from start to finish this only taking three years, like from a short film to come out is such a short amount of time. I feel for a feature. It was like like anything that happened was just taken and turned into, okay, well, how can we just make it go right instead? And that's really like, I don't know, a credit to you as a director. I feel to be able to. You just said is so important. The how do we make this go right instead instead of wrong? I've used the goal. That's the goal. Not well, why did it go wrong? And whose fault was it? And like, well, this is so fucked and we're, do that later, man. Like how do we, how do we fix this and make it good? Yeah. Well, there's a scene that the vans supposed, he's supposed to follow

56:10behind the van and the vans supposed to flip over, right? And we just didn't have the money. And then why we're looking, we're doing location scouting. There's this abandoned motel. I go, who owns that abandoned motel across the street? I'm like, oh, we do. I'm like, can we shoot there too? And they're like, oh, yeah. So I was like, okay, I'm going to have them pull up to the van a hotel and then it was be like a little chase and he'll pull them out of the car there. So I think it's using everything to your ability. I'm a big believer in I think people, life gives you stuff. Either you take it or you don't. And then sort of like just kind of ride the wave. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah, I'm starting to learn that my inner voice. So somebody is like a location, whatever it might be where somebody's going to help you. Yeah. My inner voice is been working at shutting me up because my instinct is to go, no, no, no, no, no, it's my, no, I can do, no, no, my inner voice now that I'm getting older is like, shut the fuck up and accept the help. Just say yes. So yes. Yeah, that sounds great. We're going to shoot it. Yeah, let's go shoot in Serbia. Sounds great. Considering, considering how much Gator, hot Gator action is in the movie,

57:12did you have a lot of interactions with the Gators at all? I was not present when the real Alligators were shot. So you were just using the like the one of the, that's good. I would have never, yeah. Like, I mean, there's like a couple shots at like, you know, the, the keen eye would go, that's probably come to you know, when I, she's, when you fall, yeah, yeah, I find that if, if you're putting an animal in a scene with a, a, a, a crazy animal working alligator, yeah, all you need is really two shots of them together to sell, to sell it. And then you can do the puppet head. And you can do. Yeah, yeah. Just long as the audience saw, but oh shit, that person is, is in the same vicinity as that. Krueger let was my savior. He's the guy who owned the, and the alligator sanctuary, right? That's the where the whole alligator Rocky montage came from. Like I saw I get out there and we're going to shoot the Alligators and my, you look just like my Gator, I wanted to know about this. Yeah, I go, you look like my Gator face guy. Can you put on the

58:14outfit? He was that ripped? Yeah, I said, can you put on the outfit and because the only thing I noticed was the hair was a little bit different. The Alligators follow him around like, like he's the pipe, pipe, and I'm like, dude, if I can, if I can put the alligator mask on him and I can somehow sell it, there's that one moment where he like shakes the jaw. How did that was like, and he goes in like scared with the mask. Yeah, so I was going to say that that what we freaked them out. It didn't, and I was like, okay, keep rolling guys. If you were working, rolled, rolled, rolled with dogs, right? Yeah. You're the only person. And then you show up to set one of those dogs is wearing a human face. Yeah, I would be scared. That possibly like that's, but that's really, too, I didn't like for the Alligators is like, wait a minute, that's our guy. Why is he wearing one of our faces? Yeah. And that whole scene wasn't in the movie when I was adding with Ed Marx, you know, Ed goes, we need to show montage with this alligator with him. He goes, this is your movie right here. This is right here. I go, you know what? You're exactly right. I go, because that's our Rocky

59:18montage. That shows him that he's training alligators. That's all we need. And then everybody else is going to buy the rest of the movie. And it's something we haven't seen in the movie. I'm a big believer of a French footballer said something one time. It's like, you need at least three key scenes that nobody's seen in the movie before. And like, so I try to put those at least three key scenes in the movie. The only thing that I can think of that would be comparable is the moment, because you're right. Like for serial killer movies or slasher movies, you don't get private moments with the slasher. The only one I could have thought of when I was watching that scene is the moment in the First Night Mornum Street where he's making the gloves. Otherwise, you stay far away from Freddie Krueger. And here, Gatorface is commiserating with his family in a way and just kind of hanging out with them. I was like, that's so unique, you know, because usually it would be focused on the kids. And I didn't direct Nick at all. Next guy who plays Gatorface. Yeah, where'd you find him? Craigslist. No, backstage West. Only fans. Backstage West. He's been Florida. But he brought everything to the table. He started the alligator crawl on the ground. I go, that's cool.

1:00:22I didn't make was that not to do with me. And him doing all the alligator noises and the way he moves. And I'm like, he definitely doesn't move like a normal like slasher. No, that's one of the cooler things about when he runs. He runs. Oh my gosh. He books it. He is not joking. Well, there's a scene where you guys are running through the field. I'm like, Jesus, he's going to catch up to them. Oh, the ugly. Yeah. Well, that's a great thing too, because I was, we looked at one and was small. And then Matt goes, oh, I got a bigger one than that. Come with me. Let's come on. So we drive out there. I'm like, this place is massive. It really reminds me of the first wrong turn. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. And I go, you can keep, you can shoot the whole thing. I go, yeah. And then I wanted a clear path for them to run, right? And then the whole guy got on the tractor just flipping the cars out. They got this thing. It's flipping the car. I was at a path. I go, oh, it looks great, guys. Thanks. And then we just we just shout out there. It was great. That was the hottest day because the sun beat. The heat is radiating off of those cars. I can't believe that. Yeah. Yeah. And we were doing, I was like, just beeping sound. I can hear

1:01:24my headphones. There's a pounding pounding pounding. What is that pounding? There's all their heartbeat. freaking running so fast. Yeah. Oh, and they're all fucking on their audio. Just means that you're immersed in the scene. Exactly what we want. Just acting. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. So one of the things that we all have in common is that we've all worked with Ed Marx before. Yes. When was the first time that you worked with Ed? So right to spring was edited. The producers brought in their editor, right? And it was awful. I was like, this is really bad. When did you know it was awful? When you were just like you felt like you were making the decisions? This is bad. This is bad. This is bad. And then this is bad. And then so I go and then I knew Ed because I met him before and then I was like, what do the seeded will do? It's if and then Ed in his typical way saw all the saw what was messed up, right? He goes, you guys kind of messed this movie up. You're going to lose all this footage. He goes off on the guy and he goes, this guy doesn't know the hell he's doing to the producers. He goes, you want to you want to

1:02:26nick him, diamond this? You're going to have a terrible movie. So they just gave it all the Ed. I go things. Ed saved any any. He's an unfriended, which was like supposedly a disaster because I remember when he was brought on, I think that's the one. That's the the Skype horror movie. But I remember coming into work that day and like he was just shutting it down and I'm like, oh great. Really is that a Skype horror movie? And he was like, no, there's something here though. There's nobody has that way as an editor. He's a great dialogue editor. I mean, I just love the way he rearranged it in his mind. Yeah. And I've been work, I've and I haven't worked with any editor since. It's just like we have this great report. Another thing why I love about Ed is that I can call him up at midnight and be like, hey, we should do he goes, well, come on over. Yeah, go on over. I'll be there. I'll be in the morning, morning, morning, and it's just and you know, usually people are like, oh, I gotta go. But it is just like he's so, you know, he fights for what he wants and he'll tell the producers, this is terrible. Why do you want this?

1:03:28Listen to the director. You should listen to him. He knows what he's doing. Well, that's what that's the editor's job. Actually, they're not there to keep giving everyone compliments. So there to be critical and honest and make the tell the best story you could tell. And my favorite things when I watch is my movie through to this thing where we like kind of falls asleep. I go, okay, let's cut it. Let's cut it. Let's cut it. But that's the marks of approval or approval. Yeah. But I really like the way I think your editor needs to stand up for I think movies have to have one voice. And then they hire you for a reason. So and but and but everything filters through that one voice. And then every and then I think it makes, you know, I've been happy with everything I've done so far. Ed was the guy that told me because the first movie that we worked together on was wrong turn two. And once we finished it, we had to obviously show Fox. And we show the movie. And they called up and said, what the fuck is this? Oh, yeah. That was exactly what they said. And Ed

1:04:28goes like we put on a holy ghost. Tell them this is aliens. Don't tell them that you know, like you were trying to make the first alien tell them you're making the fun roller coaster one. Boop. So we were thinking aliens. And and then they went, Oh, okay, we'll get back to you. And then the next day they went no notes. Wow. And that was all because of Ed. Before I switched to Wellfront, my APY was probably 0.1. One size switch stitching with a Wellfront cash account earn up to 4.45% APY on your cash. I can trust Wellfront is taking care of me. Make your money earn more. Get started at Wellfront.com. Plans were paid $1,000 for their testimonials for eating a conflict interest. How come so? 3.55 BCPY as of September 18th, 2026 is representative variable and earned on funds swept program banks. 0.65% new client groups for three months on up to $150,000. Directed deposit $1,000 a month and fund an investing account for a 0.25% increase. Cash account offered by Wellfront brokerage LLC member, Finder SIPC, not a bank. I get that a lot. A lot. They like they'll have that I think they're trying to test you because they'll send stuff like that to me and they'll like the notes thing. And I'm like, Oh, well, this is what I was doing for this part. This is what I wanted to do. And they're like, Okay, we see that. You know, because in in

1:05:32Gatorface, I got the notes they wanted alligators up front like at the opening montage. I go, no, no, no, we do. Let's not see the alligators to the girls to the alligators. Then our movie kicks high. I mean, the movie's called Gatorface. Yes, obviously. If there's no Gators, then you fuck kind of fucked up. But you don't have to just throw it in there right right from the jump. I liked how the movie starts. And there's like it feels like you're in the middle of another movie. Yeah, that's what I was really smart little rapport with these girls. They're just hanging out. And that's going fast. And I really wanted to make sure that they like, can we have one of the girls like a backstory of a dying mom? I'm like, Oh, no, no, no, they're just going to the lake. Let's just keep it simple, guys. Because my past three movies that they have all trauma, you know, Vanessa trauma in the open 24 hours. Just get a trauma. I was like, I'm kind of getting tired of that trope where every every character has to have a dying mom or something. I was like, let's just keep it simple. Yeah, he was hilarious about that. We'd be like, what's happening in this scene? You're running away from a guy who's trying to kill you. You just do that. Yeah, but sometimes that's what the

1:06:36audience wants. Yeah, like not every film needs to have an 824 stamp of trauma approval. You have to know. And that's what I was going for. I was like, I just want to keep this like, you know, like when we want to be watching live, it's simple. It's a hotel that you can't. What was the first screening you did of it? Like was it, was it a screening for notes? Like other filmmakers or you had come by and watch it. And when was the first thing you saw it tap on? You want to go first? Go ahead. Well, I don't remember when it was actually that I saw it first, but it was myself and the other cast who was in Los Angeles and their crew who was in Los Angeles. And we got together. Where was it? The Russell's. Oh, at the Russell's. We forget and they have the coolest place too. Oh my gosh. We went up here and in the valley. Oh, no, they moved. We got it. Yeah. And we're sitting in bean bags and they had a little Halloween candy. Oh, perfect. Yeah. And I remember watching it. And I was just like, this is exactly what I had hoped for in my mind when we were shooting. It was, to me, I was like, this is just the movie that I was

1:07:38hoping we were making. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Which was really pleasantly surprising because sometimes you see a movie and you're like, oh gosh, that's not the scene I thought I was in. So it's amazing when your vision and the movie's vision come like combined. So that was very, that was very awesome. Have you premiered it yet at a festival? No, it's going to popcorn frights and dude, I love that. I'd premier it in Florida. I've never been. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I've got the movie in Florida. Yeah. So we're going to get so many of those festivals right now, like panic fest popcorn frights. Chattanooga where they're, you know, they're more specifically genre. Yeah. But the fans are the best. Yeah. You like the media that comes out, it's not like they're going like, let's find the next, you know, everything everywhere all at once. They know that they're looking for good genre, good, hard, and they will champion every single one that they like, they, it feels like it's truly a fans experience and you're getting the right crowd. I thought Florida was the smart move because it's shot in Florida. Yeah. We lived and died.

1:08:42And then we go to London for our fright fest. Oh, man, I've been there. So popcorn frights first then fright fest. Yeah. And then we get, uh, then we got, get some reeds on the poster. A bunch of you know, looking very prestigious and everything that always helps always helps. Like my mom even goes, I saw this movie that had a bunch of reeds on it. Does that mean it's good? I'm like, yes, mom, yes, it does. It's totally what it means. And also just, I just get your name out there. It's like, you know, it's, it just keeps, keeps it alive and makes people think, oh, wow, those guys are actually making more movies, which is good. It's, you know, as an artist like you guys, it's always just to keep making content. Yeah, because like it just for, because people are like, what happened to that guy? Yeah. Yeah. But they do that after a month. They do. Where's the trailer sucks? Like, it doesn't matter what it is. Like something about va, like in certain cases, there is something about volume where it's like, wow, they keep giving this person money. Go ahead. So what you go is get the hate guys, you know, that like the trolls, the draw, obviously, I hope you never make another movie again. I'd rather we get into car crash and watch

1:09:43your movie. I go, well, guess what? I'm making two more. So also my response to that always is, oh, man, I'm so sorry. I didn't like it. But thank you so much for watching. Thank you for commenting and reaching out. That's it. You know, you guys are really too nice. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to get into it here. But then you get really good people though. But the internet's the place where people like to hate. It's just that you just, I was born before it. So I don't really want to hit a point. I don't, I think it was like probably six years ago for me, where you're like, I don't like looking at that. Yeah. I don't even look at it anymore. I just thought I don't look. I don't respond. I still have it in case there's something like a co-host and my dog passed away recently. Like I started to loss. I know. I'm sorry. Yeah. Thank you. But don't make them cry. No, no, but it's just it's stuff like that. But the people given their opinion on every single thing, you're not changing anyone's mind. You're not like you're just like you're arguing with bots half the time. Like what are you doing? Just do something better with it. Don't look at them.

1:10:44Don't look at it. Oh, God. Just keep making your just keep making things that you really believe in and hang around other actual people to have two strangers go because you'll see the what you see online is not how it really is. People are way better than that. Those are the loud minority. Yes. They're the only and money. Exactly. And that's what I think people forget when they buy into it. Hate drives a lot of people like I don't know. It just drives numbers. They want to really want to be like, you know, confrontational and stuff like. Doom scrolling gets more eyeballs unfortunately. Yeah. People going like there's still positive stuff on there if you know where to look. There's there's lots of positive stuff. Yeah. And there's lots of people that you got to look harder for the good stuff than a lot of people that reach out like for open to me for us is girl reached out to me. She goes, Hey man, I just I never do this. But I was I was on my way to see my parents and I put over this gas station. I thought I'd watch a movie and I was watching your movie totally freaked me out. He was I had to I'd leave that gas station and go, I'm like, that's pretty cool. I love that stuff. But like, but I think one of the things that we're so lucky in doing

1:11:50is how many jobs out there? Can you make a choice in Florida, surrounded by bugs with five crew members? And then you're watching it on a huge screen in London for fright fest. It hurts. It hurts. You've done fright fest. All my movies. Yeah, exactly. So you not wait. Did you did you get to see one of your movies on that huge iMac screen? Yeah, it's amazing. It's when you're all you going to Mac screen. Oh my god. It's the 800. Oh my god. It's huge. The biggest one. And when people tell you that, like, you know how like you see a live max movie where you're like, that's not really iMacs or you just see a movie they just projected on it and you're like, wow, they're you only using like half the screen. I don't know what they do. But like when when we went in 2017, I had one movie mayhem play and I'm like, how the fuck are they going to it's not going to look good or it's only going to take that sort of a smart part of the screen. And when it fucking projects and it is huge, you're like, wow, it's the best experience in the world. Isn't that

1:12:51great though? Because I remember the first time I saw right just spring at Man's Chinese theater. And they were testing it. I'm like, oh, this is fucking good. Because of all the healing, you get only little bit. You're like, oh, this is good. Isn't that the best? This is good. I don't care if nobody likes it. This is good. Speaking of testing it, which sometimes you don't get that luxury at a festival because your movie's playing like ninth, that day or whatever. But if your movie was playing first, they'll give you that. If you want to come 20 minutes early and just check the picture and sound. On when spiral premiered at the Santa Barbara Film Festival, and for anyone who's still has never seen it, there's, we'll just say a twist at the end, although there's more than one. And they started testing it and the audience was already coming in. And Joel and I are like, no, we're good. We're good. Stop, stop, stop. And they just kept spot checking. They'd go ahead 10 minutes. Oh my god. They played the ending. You guys were still sitting there. And we were like, this is cancer. What's the fucking point? Yeah. But because nobody had seen it yet, they didn't

1:13:52realize what they had just said. So it was fine. But it was just funny that of all the things they could have randomly just checked. They checked because it was the DCP. They checked the ending. And they checked the ending and spoiled it. Really funny. But ultimately didn't matter. How did you get your score? Holly Embratured does all my scores. She did the Giromo Datoro TV one. Oh yeah. The nominee for an Emmy for it. Oh, the Netflix. The cabinet of her yoss. Yeah. I had, and Josh, Eckberg, he does my sound design. He works at Warner Brothers. He works on Bob's Burgers. So I have like a little small team that I use. Did you get to make the movie there? No, he is a home studio. Oh nice. All my past movies. We mixed there and then we would do a sound check on the eastwood sound check. And it just waited. They do it where you had to do it at like four o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. We stayed 24 hours. I love that. When you walk around when you walk around that lot, yeah. Like four in the morning, it is a fucking trip. Yeah. Because you're like, there's the, that's where they shot the friends in Trone. You sit there and like,

1:14:55this is creepy. But it's that. But when you're watching it, though, you're like, I don't want everybody just to watch it like this. Can we just watch it like this? It sounds so good. The saddest moment. The first like real movie I made. The first hatchet was after we finished the mix. And back then we had, we only did a real a day at Tateo. And it was just, you know, you're working on 12 minutes for the whole day. And it sounds amazing. And they're like, now we have to do the stereo mix. And this is how most people are going to see your movie. We, we really think you should step out now. And I was like, well, I want to see the whole project. They're like, okay. And then you have to hear it in two shitty speakers. And they're like, we have to do this because we have to hear out sounds. This is most people they're going to watch it on a phone. They're going to watch it on an iPad. They're going to watch it at home on their shitty TV speakers. Yeah. And it kills you. Just like when you were in the band and we made a record, we'd walk out and we'd like put a CD in the in the car steer to see how it sounded to see how the levels were. Because that's what's going to hear is going to hear. And you're crying. And you're like,

1:15:56oh my god, I can't hear me. Let's go back inside. Yeah. And it's just, it's, you know, but it's well, the worst now that we've mentioned this before, but the fact that every flat screen TV comes with motion blur in the world. And you have to know to go in and shut it off whenever I'm at friends houses. Got my parents. Every time I go home here, here, look, isn't this my favorite story about my parents? They watch a particular news station. I wish they had stopped watching 27 years ago. And I was like, guys, you bought this big screen TV. You're still watching HD. This is 20 years ago. If you just put a one in front of the number, one, one, one, look, see that now it's an HD. It looks great because they kept complaining. This TV wasn't worth it. It looks like shit. I'm like, just add a one in front of the number. You'll have the HD channels. We can't be bothered with all that. No, no, we're not getting started with that. That's where they're still watching. Yeah. Anyway, but the motion blur thing, there was a review of one of my movies that was like they shot this in

1:16:5848 frames per second. Like the hobbit. It looks like shit. Why did they do that? I'm like, what are you fucking? And then you look, their other reviews were saying that about other things. It's just like, and then somebody had been like, Hey, have you adjusted your TV? Because this sounds like a you probably should put a notice at the beginning of the film. Well, there was a 3D version of that same film released in Austria. And I was like, we didn't shoot in 3D. We didn't. And it's just an app that they downloaded. They run it through a program. They know it doesn't work. But they can still say it's there. So we had said, can we put a graphic up in the future that says the following 3D transfer was not supervised by the director or director. Can you do it 40 like that? Yeah, we just come to your house and shake your face in your face. In your face. Yeah, that's a crocodile. You know, we have one of the Russell puppets and we're in India. We had to keep fixing his little teeth. Little tooth. Oh, his teeth kept falling off. The little puppet puppet. Who was the puppet Wrangler? Who was the? Was it you? Wait, so all those shots where it's the puppet that's your hand?

1:18:00Me or Josh or somebody else are. Well, we had this giant alligator that Matt really loved. He was getting good at this alligator in the water. Was that the one that when you had the overhead shots was swimming? No, that's a composite. That's a real alligator. That look. I think that's how Ty did he did it. Yeah, same day. When they had it, they had a I actually contacted Ty's people who shot and their alligator was very expensive. So I was like, okay, we can't do that. So we're just going to get that one shot and then she's swimming up to the dock and you just see it behind her. Oh, so good. Yeah. Wait, so as we wind down here, though, especially because we have two two people here, I want to make sure you both have time with this. The one question we always try to ask everybody, I get let's let's start with you, Tap them. What was the point in the journey so far where it just seemed like nothing was working out. Everything seemed bleak and how did you not give up? How did you keep going in the journey? Okay, in my entire career. Yeah. Oh my god. There's five

1:19:03and several times like from most of us like every day, but just one where everything was just you know, there was a point where I was surrounded by people that were telling me that things were not going to work out the way that I was hoping for. And it was like this idea that I wasn't going to be able to audition for something in book it. And this was just like four years ago maybe where I had already done all these projects and had success and I let that get to me and it really affected me. And it took me a while to get out of that and to sort of realize that that's what was happening because people when they say things like that, they try to say it as a helpful thing. You know, you're just it's not going well for you. I don't think you should keep doing this. You did it for a while. It was fun. Now now what are you really going to do? Exactly, but it's actually very backhanded and it's not coming from a place of help. It's coming from a place of harm usually and that's on them, whatever they have going on. And it took me a while to realize that

1:20:04that sort of just had nothing to do with me. And whatever I wanted was what I wanted and I had to fight for that. So getting out of that sort of situation, not having those people so closely in my life anymore really helped and finding more supportive influences to have around extremely helpful because this is a hard career path. And if you don't have people that you can depend on when you're going through a hard time, you're nowhere like for real is all about your friends that you surround yourself with to me. So it's about the work and the people. So I'm like finding people that I felt really comfortable sharing the journey with and that I felt I could support and they could support me. And then just taking a good look at those types of things and being like this was mean with that person said because you don't realize it all the time. So that was probably, I don't know, does that answer the question? No, absolutely. Okay, good. Yeah. But it's also important

1:21:05because there's probably other people out there who feel very like they're in a similar situation and it might help them to hear someone say maybe try surrounding yourself with different people. Oh yeah. And if someone is telling you that whatever your goal is is not realistic or won't work out how you're hoping it will work out, that's like BS. Don't listen to it. Just freaking do your thing. And like as long as you're being true to yourself, like that's what matters. Yeah. What about you? I forgot the question. Where it just things were not working out and going your way and how did you keep going? I just keep going. I don't really. I don't really. This guy hasn't had a bad thing. No, I don't. I don't know. I was just like I mean the band didn't work out but it kind of did because we released records when you toured. But when you start a band, you're going to be your, you know, as far as you know. He put his t-shirt in the movie by the way and we still we have to

1:22:06get those printed out and sell them as merch. I love that shirt. I don't know. I just keep going. Like I had a huge movie fall through because of the pandemic and I was like, it's just what you got to do. And you know, and it's been a while since I made another one. So it's like and you know how it is a drought. It's just so long and then it's like, if dude am I ever going to do another movie? So and then but you just keep writing and you just keep pushing stuff out there and see if somebody wants to buy it. That's the hardest thing. Money is the the hardest thing to get. Yeah. Once you get the money, things move pretty fast with it with your script, whether how much money you have or what what what and it's just like that's the all idea is just keep push putting my stuff out there. Let's make another movie. Let's do this. Why don't we do this and then just keep, you know, making music videos. Just keep posting creepy shit on Craigslist. Just just post your Craigslist ad. Yeah. Go ahead. Meet meet someone at the Waffle House getting their car. Well, I was just thinking outside the box. You know what I mean? I need money. So I was like, okay, let's see somebody on Craigslist. But taking the path less taken or whatever the fuck it is. But like

1:23:11going that like different route then usually everyone goes, oh, you have to go through the proper channels. I hate that fucking term so much. We're going to have to go through the proper channels here. And like, like for example, there's a project I'm doing right now where we're waiting for the business affairs to deal with the deal, right? Like they're supposed to like do the contract three weeks now. And I just went, guys, I like we got to do something here. Well, no, you have to go through the proper channels. You know what I did on Friday? I called the fucking guy up and said, where's the contract? Oh, it's right here. Yeah. Now if I had gone through the proper channels and waited for all the reps to get involved, we'd still be waiting for it. But it's just just doing it, you know, like just putting yourself forth and not waiting for other people to do it for you. That's the way to get shit done. Yeah. And that's just how it even like when Epic was doing, I go, can you guys just give me the money and I'll put in that account. I'll just go make it so small. It's just just just small amount. No, that's not how we do things. I'm not. No, we're going to give you

1:24:12this percentage and then in a few weeks. And it was like, okay, that's fine. But out of just, yeah, just keep making stuff. I mean, the whole reason why we do this is it's not because, we ever wanted to get rich or famous. I mean, it'd be awesome. But I think just to make movies and just to keep doing being creative is all you can ask for. I mean, I'm making music again, which is cool. What got you going on music again? My daughter. I would sing her these songs to help her fall asleep. How old is she? She's 16 now. Oh, God. Yeah, she hates life. She's awesome. She's so cool. And then, but that was every 60. And she would come. I want you to do something to those songs you you you write for me when I used to fall asleep was a little girl. She was those were really great songs. So I was like, okay, cool. So I my old producer is like, he called me up and he's like, hey, do you have any songs for this artist? I'm like, yeah, I got a bunch of songs. So I went in there and I showed her these songs. She's going to do some.

1:25:14I'm going to try to do some some with Tabatha and just like release it. So just keep going. Keep creating. Yeah, exactly. In any form, you know, and it's so easy to do now. You can be your own studio. You don't really need like anybody. Like I can do my own torso over. I can take this from here, put it here. It's it's very fascinating. Yep. So Gareface will be in some theater. Exclusive theatrical run. Yes. Yes. That sounds much less. Again, we're not sure exactly at the time we're recording this one this episode is going to drop, but it's probably going to drop right around the week that your movie's coming out because that's going to be around mid this. That's awesome. Yeah, thank you so much. But if you can't see it in the theater, it'll also be on VOD. Yep. So this is definitely one of those perfect Friday night and it's in the Paglia release. I think like two weeks after. Oh shit, you're going right. You know, any special features? Oh yeah, there's a whole making of a whole I think the newscast is on there. We're talking about what's on the side of the house. And then a bunch of polaroid pictures, a bunch of behind stills,

1:26:16a bunch of bunch of stuff. Any commentaries, right? Yeah. Me and her. Oh, we did a comment. Nice. So fun. That's me that like that's like the the goal standard of that's what I prefer when there's a special. You got to watch you open 24 hours one because my daughter watches it. So first time she's ever really watched it and she's like, oh that's terrible. Have you seen that's off our commentary on a Serbian film? No. Do you know what a Serbian? Yeah, you know, we did one for a Serbian. Oh yeah. And it's me treating it like it's fucking citizen Kane and Adam, you just hear in the background. I'm growing up the entire time. I thought it was real. And are we getting turned on by it and humping or squirrels. That's squeaking and like I'm shocked. They put it on the desk to be honest on there. Well, my daughter is a salarist. She's just talking about that. She's like, oh, that's terrible dad. Oh my god, thanks. Do you think she'll get into movies? Oh yeah. She's she's she designed the masks. That's in Gatorface. Wait, the the mask that when Emma riot and she

1:27:17stepped back at the house, that's the mask she she did for the moon. So she's already she's already in. She's already infected. We're going to shoot her phone footage movie next week. Oh my god. How proud are you? That's awesome. I go, are you going to storyboard? No, I know what she's going to go out there. Okay, it's going to be terrible. She sounds like a dad. She's just like him. Yeah. There isn't part of you knowing how tough this career choice is. That's like, yeah, you should do that for fun. What about AI though? What about computers? What about computer science? What about? Did you hear him talk? He just showed up and did that work out everything? Just get on Craigslist. He'll be fine. I just say just my drama. He says, I don't have her going to movie. She's never going to make money. She can live in your garage forever. I go, who cares? But that okay. That's the difference. We all knew when we started. We were all told how hard it, what nobody was like, nobody ever fucking told me this was going to be this hard. And we all said, different taba. There gets a major motion picture out the first edition. Where can people follow you guys online? Are you on social media?

1:28:23Is there anywhere people can follow you? Yeah, I'm on Instagram, TikTok, whatever the other thing is Tabatha underscore BS for my last name, Brownstone. And because I'm supposed to wear a much don't you got to tell Adam that story. Oh my gosh, Mr. Brownstone. You're going to tell her the story. Oh, oh my gosh. Okay. So we're guns and roses. There's always time for guns and roses. So they have a song called Mr. Brownstone, right? I've heard it. Well, that's my last name. My grandfather was the biggest heroin dealer in Hollywood of the 60s. He's his dealer. He's Mr. Brownstone. That he's your the same. That's great. This is the greatest episode ever. This really is the greatest episode ever. Unexpected Tony Scott stories. I expect the J.E. Lane stories. I'll never I'm never going to listen to that song the same way again. Your fucking face is going to pop up like you want some. My dad's got some crazy stories of childhood. It was wild. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Shit. Yeah. That was totally worth it. Yes. Yes. Anybody else having a great great story? Where could people follow you? Oh, Patrick run it on Instagram on

1:29:27TikTok. I guess I'm on there a little bit. Are you on Tessa? No. Yeah. I've never even like looked at it. There's a couple of things on there. When things get to me, it's like off of TikTok, but you know, like whether it's shared or whatever. That's how I see it. I think Instagram is probably the place where I live the most. But what was it about our ages, I guess, where TikTok became a thing really during the pandemic when it took off. And we just went, nope. Like I'm drawing the line here. Or well, I mean a lot of people said, yep. Because if they invent another social media thing, I honestly why I'm not getting on it. Yeah. I just want to tie West was the smartest one. That's the one I want to bring. So early on he just was like, you know, nope, nope. And just the left. And he's fine. But the rest of us were always like, I don't know if I don't have it. No, it's going to know what I'm doing. I have to keep it. I mean, even if I don't have to fuck it. You don't need it. Yeah, you really don't, especially as like ties a great example. You don't need it. Yeah, he does just fine. Just fine. Well, even though we don't need it, we still have it. Where could

1:30:32people follow you at the Joe Lynch reluctantly? Yes. I've also got underscores in mind. Yeah. All right. We will. Guys, thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you so much for having us, man. Yeah, finally. And I could let you go. I gotta get on that show, man. I've never been on my show. Well, you you guys brought one of the best fucking episodes we've had a long time. We don't say that to everybody. But make sure check listings for Gator Facy if it's playing in a theater near you or on VOD. Again, it might already be out when this episode drops or it's coming out very, very, very soon. And there is a blu-ray on the way from Epic, right? Yep. Awesome. We're commentary. All right. We will see all of you next week with another edition of the movie crypt with Adam and Joe.

1:31:35You can't slow me down, I'm unstoppable. You can't cover me up, I'm unstoppable. You can't figure me out of everything I'm not. I'm out of my way. I gotta get on Craigslist. It's the movie crypt.