Episode 533: The Gold Standard

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2:01Prejudice. We're so mature. Well, you know, that's not a real... I don't know, you know, I would be... There's no box of gimmicks. Burm in a new window. No deal in rumor. Did you win it? It was either. I was there. There's some of mine. Don't give a sh- What? Does something arrest you? It's the rest of the... Something to wrestle with. Something to wrestle with. Dig in Bruce Pritchard. Hey, hey, it's Conrad, the mortgage guy in your listing. Does something to wrestle with? John, life-field, John was going on, man. How are you? Conrad, I am so happy to be here this week. Bradshaw 316 Seal says, I just stole your fucking podcast. Well, I'm glad you did, because there's a lot to talk about this week. I'm excited to be with you. I want to start with something that... Well, I feel like we need to give an update on. Way back earlier this year, you were pretty critical of Power Slap

3:03and felt like, hey, those guys are taking advantage of the wrestlers. And then we actually had Sin Bodion to chat us up. Then we had Jake Hager, fresh off of his awesome victory, wrestle many a weekend. You and your great close-person little friend, Ron Simmons, went and sat in the crowd. It was awesome. And then Jake didn't have a follow-up effort that we were all to what I love to brag about. But this past Thursday, so as you're listing this, eight days ago, Jake lost in pretty controversial fashion. It was the third strike. And when he got hit, sadly, he got hit in the eye. And it looked like his tear duct. Well, for lack of a better word, exploded. Fluids started rushing out, and then here comes the blood. They stopped the fight. And awarded the win to Jake's opponent. Jake on camera, when the camera's right in his face, he's asking the doctor, how was my eye bleeding and it was a legal strike? Which I feel like is a fair question in Power Slap.

4:04But the very next day was a big UFC. We'll talk about that in a minute. But UFC had invited some streamers there and someone actually asked Dana White, hey, what'd you think about Jake Hager's Power Slap injury? And Dana White said it was the most brutal injury in the history of Power Slap and the UFC, a little inside baseball. I'm happy to report, John, that Dr. Sinboate and he actually went with Jake immediately after the event, straight to the hospital. He had surgery that night. He's in recovery. So whatever happened, hopefully he's on the mend. I think that's what's most important here. We want to make sure our friend Jake is okay. But never have I ever even heard of a tear duct exploding. Did you even know that could happen, John? I had no idea. Absolutely no idea. You know, I've seen fights and I've seen boxing and been a boxing family all life. I've never heard of it, never seen it. That I know of. I mean, I never saw it in a fight.

5:05I've seen hundreds of thousands of fights, a huge boxing fan, watched it all the time growing up. Ever boxing, and I think it came on. I said there was never fight. Never heard of it, never saw it. No. What do you think of the situation? I mean, it was so brutal. Dana didn't even let him show a replay. There's no replays of this. It aired once. And now they're like, we don't want to show replays of this because a lot of times, hey, let's just be honest. If you're watching Power Slap, you want to see dudes getting knocked out. But we don't want to see anybody maybe have their vision affected. I don't know what's going to happen in that regard. I'm just freestyling. You don't want to see anybody's eye get hurt. I mean, that's kind of one of the only no-nose in the history of UFC. Like they would say, hey, no, I poked, no, I gouging. That sort of thing. I'm not saying it was done intentionally. But yeah, I feel bad for Jake. You know, I hope he makes a full recovery. And I kind of see a point. How is my eye bleeding? And it was somehow a legal strike. Yeah, it was a strike.

6:05I didn't see it in slow motion. Was the strike too high? Was that what it was? How did it really? Yeah, I mean, I would think it's supposed to go here, John. I know I would think it's supposed to go on the jaw or the cheat. I mean, if you're up in this area, that feels like that's too hot of me. Yeah, I feel like it is. I don't see how it wasn't up. I had no idea. I mean, I didn't see it in slow motion. I can't judge the veracity of them not calling it. It's crazy to me. It's like that sport. And I'm not defending just power slap. But you see, Jay Daniel put his left arm down and blows elbow out. You know, see, Jack's dark. All of a sudden, the rams are blitzing from all sides on that poor guy. Blow out his knee from two guys just basically high low. And the bodies are flying everywhere. You know, and just unfortunate things happen in contact sports. And, you know, they're going to be people say, we should ban this or ban that. Look, you've had people in boxing die. And you've had people get hurt.

7:05You know, and, and, fortunately, that's part of sports. And I hate it. I think it's, I think it's awful. It's one thing I don't miss about sport is the fact that I don't have to have surgeries anymore from being hurt or being beat up or whatever that is. And it's just, you know, I think that when I was out there at power slap, they covered every precaution they could, they had every safety measure they could. It's a dangerous thing. It's dangerous to fight each other. It's dangerous to hit each other in the face. You have C or boxing or anything else. You see people, we've had people die in the wrestling ring. You know, it's, it's just an unfortunate thing that happens. And I hate, absolutely hate it. And Jake is a good friend of mine. And I hate that certainly hate that it happened to him. Yeah, we're going to keep Jake and our thoughts and prayers. I feel like, whatever reason it feels like the internet wrestling community has decided that they don't like Jay Kager. But I feel like the people who've decided they don't like Jay Kager have probably also never met Jay Kager. If you don't like television characters, that's different than the real guy.

8:05Jake conflates, people can fight that a lot. They did that with me too. They can play the character with the human being. Jake is a wonderful human being always has been big tough guy, great wrestler, big tough MMA guy as well. But he loves to create that character own, which I completely agree with. That when he was in UFC, not UFC MMA fighting, and he was being a heel, but he had all kinds of heat. If he could have stayed in there, he would have drawn massive arenas of people wanting to see him lose. So a lot of people look at that and conflate what he was saying and all the stuff he was doing. Like, I don't get say 100% Jake was in character. He haven't had some fun, drawn some money, and he was doing a good job of it. By the way, yeah, I think you said it well there. You and I have been fortunate enough to be at the Waterloo Hall of Fame when he was being inducted. And you gave a fabulous speech to induct him, where you took a lot of great shots at Oklahoma, specifically JR.

9:07As you said, I didn't mean Jake Hager's Oklahoma craze. That's right. Yeah, I wanted to make sure and clear that up. They wouldn't Jake. I can make fun of JR and maybe Mr. Brisco now. He just turned 80. So and there's a distance between it. So I'm not as worried about him beat him up anymore. So yeah, I think a shot at them. Jake Hager's still way too young to take a shot at. What I wanted to say though is we got to see him be a dad. He was lucky enough to bring his kids with him. And I think a lot of people who have decided, oh, I don't like this guy. And I don't like that guy. Hey, man, that's just wrestling. If you see Jake taking care of his young children, you're like, all right, that's a pretty good dude right there. We're pulling for Jake. Hope he makes a speedy recovery. I don't know that the internet necessarily agrees with that for Gable, Steve. And I don't know if he saw this, but this past Saturday. Boy, he shocked the world and not in a good way. Now the reason we're talking about Gable is because he wanted Olympic gold medal. And yes, he did have some controversies in college.

10:09He addressed those not so well over the weekend. He's previously put a statement out earlier this week. But what everybody was talking about is that he was maybe on the other side of the most shocking up set in MMA history. John, you're a betting man. And we're grateful to have draft kings as a sponsor. Stay tuned for that a little later. But going into this fight, Gable was a minus 2400 favorite, which means if you would like to bet and win $100. In an effort to win $100 that Gable, Steve, son would win. You would need to bet $2,400. And if you gave your sports book $2,400 and Gable, Steve, son won, they would give you a crisp $100 bill. So this is the most lopsided odds that we've ever seen. It was so lopsided. It wasn't even supposed to be on the main card, but one of the main fights on the main card canceled. So as a result, this got bubbled up.

11:11Clearly, the UFC had really high hopes for Gable. They wanted him to put on a star making performance here. He was coming into an O and UFC. But 12 seconds later, he was asleep, stiff as a board. And as the narrative goes, he may or may not have himself. Now, I'm not saying it's a big deal that Gable did or did not. I'm just saying a lot of times when people get knocked out, well, they pee themselves or they. And in this particular case, well, they say Gable had Trump's full of do do. John Jones was his corner man. He was clearly trying to get Gable to lean into being a heel. I guess if people have already decided that they don't believe you, they don't like you, they don't want to cheer for you. Why not lean into being a heel? But where does it go from here? Will he bounce back? Will we see him back in the UFC on a main card? What's next for Gable, Steve? I don't see how you bounce back. I mean, he's done a lot of things.

12:13He came into wrestling. I saw him when he was there and he just wasn't great for WWE. It didn't quite have the neck of the working part of it, you know, and the charisma part of it. Obviously, he's a terrific amateur wrestler, but he just couldn't grasp. I saw him out there with Sheldon Benjamin and Sheldon did everything he could with him. But I just, you know, unfortunately, I just don't think our business was made for him. And then you saw him try to play some football. And, you know, those guys have been playing their whole lives. It's like, who cares if you're a great athlete? You're a great athlete. You're not going to wrestling when you're 25 years old. It's like you're not going to football or anything else when you're 25 years old. You know, guys grow up doing that stuff. There's a reason that they're on top of the world. And then he goes in the MMA and, you know, one thing that if you want to fight a wrestler, punch him. Whatever you do is like the old Eddie Guerrero line. You know, when Eddie Guerrero tried to leg down during an angle and get a girl in the position,

13:13we came back sat down and I asked him, why would you leg down at Goal Palace? He goes, come on, I'm fucking stupid. You know, he fight a wrestler. You wrestle a puncher. You know, and that's what I think he learned right there. That, you know, maybe he can't take a punch. I don't know. Maybe the maybe the young guy that crossed from those guys are big guys. They out there and they're all tough guys. Maybe he just walked into a right that would have knocked out a horse. I don't know. But I don't know where you go from here. It could be that big of a favorite. It's going to be tough to work your way back up. And if he does, he's going to have to work his way back up. I don't think he's going to let her shot the only UFC main card. You know, he made because of his name. And, you know, people want to see him get beat. You know, he is being a heel, you know, his persona. You know, people want to see him get beat. And he is going to draw some money and some interest to do that. So he may get, he can make another shot. But if he does, he better win or that is going to be it. Listen, I think we all know that there's more money in the UFC than there is anywhere else. Like whatever money he would make on the independence.

14:14I mean, we've already seen WWE decided, hey, we don't think you have a knack for this. They released him in early 2024. I think his brother was even doing better than he was in developmental Western reports. I heard, but it looks like wrestling's not going to be the answer. I mean, I'm by that. I mean, sports entertainment. Maybe MMA can still be salvaged. We know that that is technically where the bigger money would be. But if he loses again in really spectacular fashion like this, the only option feels like real American freestyle. And I'm not saying that's a bad option. I mean, Kobe, gov, he's just retired from the UFC to go full time. And he's basically a headliner for real American freestyle. But I wonder if he's if he loses again, does he do, does he hurt his drawing ability with real American freestyle john? I mean, the reality is when you're fighting heavy weights and you know this like, hey, it doesn't take an awful lot of pressure at the right point on your chin. Everybody has what I would call an off button. And if you hit it just right, well, down they go. And clearly they hit it just right on cable, especially with a heavy weight.

15:17Now at the lighter weights, maybe that's a little more difficult. But when you're 265 pounds and you know how to connect at the right spot and you hit it right on the button, a lot of folks are going to go down. So there's no shame in getting knocked out. But if it happens again, now you wonder has your perception in the minds of the fans diminished, would he still be a draw on real American freestyle if he gets knocked out again? No, I don't think so. And you know, you look at guys, you know, you like like great, great fighters, you know, let's go. Who's worried about his jaw, especially if you got knocked out down in South Africa, he worried repeatedly about you see him in a fight. You know, he fought, he was an incredible fighter when he'd sit there and exchange blows, but you could tell a lot of times after that knockout, he was really worried about the fact because you know, like you say, these guys are heavy weights and you don't know when it's coming and all sudden a heavy weight issue, if that guy's going to throw a punch and most heavy weights can, they're going to knock you out or they're going to drop you and probably as once you get dropped long,

16:18once you get dropped once, you talk to any old boxing trainer, you talk to any old fighter, you know, it's kind of like once you get knocked out once, it's easier to get knocked out the second time. But whatever it is in your body, I have no idea, but if you talk to any fighters, they all believe that. I do too. I think that's, you know, once you start getting dingged, it starts happening again and again. And I think he's more susceptible to it now, but if he gets knocked out again or gets beat again, I just don't think there's, unfortunately, they're just not going to be any drawing power there for him. Now, if he wins, there's maybe something he can do. You know, he's got a gift in some way of some charisma that people want to see him, and basically want to see him lose, but so what? They want to see him. If he can win, he may have some legs with this, but if not, I think he's done. I mean, it's not lost on me that the guy who made the most money in boxing was the guy who everybody wanted to see him lose. I'm talking of course about Floyd Mayweather and he became money Mayweather just by playing a pro wrestling character.

17:18He was a heel. So I felt like that's what John Jones was trying to get Gabel to lean into on the way to the fight. Like, hey, let's make him a heel, but I was talking to Jeff Jared earlier this week. And he said, hey, he wants to see his next fight more than he did this one, because now he wants to see is he going to get knocked out again. So there is some curiosity to see what's right. All I know is he's going to have to really focus this next time. So I hope he knows about mod something to wrestle is brought to you by mod mod for scribes of once or twice daily. Modaphineal drink that keeps you energized, focused and alert throughout the day. Here's the mechanism energy drinks with caffeine temporarily block a dena scene. That's the chemical that makes you tired. It builds up and when the caffeine wears off, it all crashes down on you once. Now, modaphineal works differently. It engages multiple pathways to your brain, dopamine, no repinne of freeing, histamine or rec sign all to achieve steady energy and alertness for like 10 to 12 hours.

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19:25Try the full lineup of gut health support from nature made. The number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. He statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Hey man, let's talk a little bit about Roman Reigns. And no MVP you can rest easy. I'm not being critical of Roman today. But Roman praised Cody Rhodes recently on an interview with Complex. He says, can you perform every single time and then deliver when you're asked. Can you do it when you're tired? Can you do it when you're sick? Can you do it when you're hung over after WrestleMania? Can you carry the banner for this company? This is a billion dollar machine. It's not easy. And there's only been one who's been able to carry that banner and that's been Cody. So there's lots of rumor in any window that these guys are frenemies. And I don't know exactly how we define that, but we've all heard that this sort of competitiveness has existed in the WWE for a long, long time.

20:26We heard it once upon a time with triple H and the rock. We heard it later with the rock and Steve Austin a generation before we certainly heard it with Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan. I think when you've got two guys sort of vying for the top spot, that's good for the business. Competition is good for the business. But this is rare that we see public praise from Roman Reigns for Cody Rhodes. What do you think of his comments to Complex? Yeah, you know, Roman is really good about staying in character. You know, and not making stuff that's out of character. He doesn't do a lot of shows. He doesn't do the podcast. And Roman doesn't do a lot of interviews. And because of that, he's been the guy that can kind of show up. I know you're the captain of the Roman Reiter frame Reigns, a hater club. The hey Cody too. No, I don't hate Roman. I think Roman's terrific. I've loved all six of his matches this year. He has banger after banger. Okay, but you're going to go to that Cody. You just like Cody also. No, I think Cody's fine. Okay, just check.

21:26Here's the thing. I know we're having fun. But just to clarify again, when I said Roman Reigns was overrated, I'm tired of people throwing stats at me and saying, Oh, well, he's made an event at more WrestleMania than anybody. Yes, that is factually true. It's also true that never have I ever seen a Roman Reigns T-shirt out in the wild. Not once. I've also never heard anybody say he's on their Mount Rushmore. So when I hear these gifts occasionally say, he's got a bigger impact on WWE than Hulk Hogan. No, he didn't. I mean, that's just that silly shit. So you're back into your I hate Roman Reigns. I don't hate him. He's done fabulous. But I'm saying he is triple H. He's triple H of 2026. What what's wrong with that? Nothing. But but but but true. Nobody talks about triple A. I've never seen a triple H shirt in public. And nobody ever talks about triple H is being on the Mount Rushmore. It doesn't mean he's not doing valuable work. It doesn't mean he's not a huge asset to WWE. You know, Roman Reigns has better stats than anybody in wrestling history.

22:29What the fuck does that matter? That he's headlined more shows than anyone else. Oh, oh, oh, oh John, I'm not going to listen to this. He doesn't fucking work. What are you talking about? The big shows. Yeah, but he's not even that. He's about working in for gifts anyway. Do you think they need Roman Reigns on the marquee to see or sell WrestleMania tickets? To sell Royal Rumble tickets. People are buying the show because it's WrestleMania or because it's Royal Rumble. But the people who were given him credit for drawing money don't even understand what the words or the phrase means. He's not drawing money. He's benefiting from Nick Khan being a master negotiator. WWE's top line revenue is not based on ticket sales. Now was it when Hulk Kogan and the Rock and Stone Cold were doing it? Sure. And that's the reason they've left all these impressions. And we're still talking about them all these years later. And they're always at the top of the list of the Mount Rushmore conversation. Roman Reigns is not. Does that mean he's failed? Absolutely not. They've enjoyed incredible success. But it's apples and pomegranates.

23:30Roman came around in the network era. There ain't even fucking pay per views. Get him out of the conversation with those guys unless technology. The network is false that there aren't paydries. No, I'm not saying that at all. I just said he's answered. The Colin has great matches. What else do you want? You don't mean to suck his dick? Well, that's what the internet does. And it's bullshit. I didn't know that. I didn't know that option was on the table. Well, it might be for you if you want some blue shoes. Is that what you're looking for? You had a hard for Roman. You want to show the tribal chief. You want to put one of the chili pepper necklaces around your gimmick? Give him the weiner in from hell. What are you looking for? You lost the storyline here a little bit. I think. No, I was just asking how many foot are prepared? And you know, and also there's a little. There's a trend here. I told you about the fact that we had this guy on our show that found big foot. And all you want to talk about was big puts dick. That's not what I said. What I said. No. That's what you said. Well, I'll have days of a play back to Kate.

24:33Well, that was a pre show. He wasn't recording. But but you're trying to convince me that a guy found an actual big putt. And you're doing as bad a good of a job as you are convincing me that Roman reigns is on the Mount Rushmore of wrestling. Neither of these are true. Don't pull up your fucking pictures of big putt. Because here's what I'm saying. You were telling me that there were multiple big feet that there's a man big putt and there's a female big putt. Come on now. If that's true, where are the big foot genitals? There aren't any. It's bank believe. What do you think that is? What do you think that is? I think it's a shoe box. A costume laid in the fucking woods. That's what it is. That is a big putt right there. Look, it's got big feet. Yeah. So just big show. He's got big feet. Look, here's the guy found him right here. How long have you had CTE? Is it something that you just recently discovered? Why don't you see T.E. my fault? How about that? Well, I mean, I'm asking you about Roman putting over Cody and you're like, look big putt. What?

25:33What? Marlowe, I'm asking about room and you're all sudden you're talking about Palatio with somebody. There's no reason to talk about that. You've been the same thing with big putt. Like, oh, what was the big look? I don't know. I didn't ask you about big putt. Why do you say that? I will have silver playback to date. Let me ask you this. Right there. That's big putt. Well, where? Listen. All right, listen. Where is L.H.O. Big putt. Big putt. Big putt is not real. What is this? Hello. Again, it's a chewbocker costume. That's a costume. Yes. Yes. Yes, that's a costume. Look, they did a test on this. Like, here he is right there. Who is they? Who is they? The people. The people did the test. And it was 58.5% in the Andrews all. But, there were 21 and a half percent human. What you've got right here is the missing link.

26:33What, wait, wait. Are you telling me the Andrews all weren't human? I'm trying to learn. I'm asking a legitimate question. They were like evolving. You know, from, you know, all the way, you know, they're like, we're out before humans. So they're evolving. This is part of the evolutionary phase that, you know, like, like Oklahoma is like in the evolutionary phase. Like, you know, like the Andrews all people. You know, like people they can't read. Like that. Most people in Oklahoma, I could love to look at them and walk them off horse. Why are you sitting on JR? I'm not like JR. He's my friend. Doing Roberts and missing link. He always have the yellow chair of the green chair. I'm color blind and you're showing off again. We had the chair with him. He always hit people with the chair of colored chair. It's like, I was born in 81. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, so you have, so history remains nothing to you. I'm going to be a little bit more honest. I'm going to be a little bit more honest. But so history remains nothing to you. Oh, you're going to, you know what? I'll tell you what. I'd rather watch a missing link match than I never mind.

27:34Hey, you're saying I'm talking about missing links personal like genitalia next. Hey, since we're talking about this. Listen, this is freaking big put. Okay. We've got the guy on our show. Story's of Briscoe Bradshaw. He's got the guy he displayed it at the New York State Fair. Not once, Conrad. Why? Why is he displayed big put? Why? And look at this. Here's people looking at the big put display. Look at this. Look at these people. How excited they are to see the missing link. You need medicine. Why do I need medicine? I don't know why you need it. I just know you do. That's not pretty nice. That's what we're talking about. Big put. We got him on our show. And you should be excited about that. It's like finding like the Roswell little alien people. Does Mr. Briscoe know he was on the show?

28:35Oh, that's not nice at all. That was mean. What? Are you saying Mr. Briscoe doesn't know where he is or where he's at? I didn't say that at all. You're saying that he's a local home. That he has problems with his cognitive ability. He's not a home. He used to have people from up the home of walking off for. Not all of them. It's most of them. So does Briscoe do that? No, he left Oklahoma. Does Jake Hager do that? No, no, no, he left Oklahoma. People that can have cars and can get out and get out. They leave. Jake Hager might actually be on all of us. So he doesn't bump into things. Right now. It's temporary. Yeah. Best wishes to Jake. You know what they do? We need to put all of these like a. Facilities in Oklahoma. Nobody cares. Like I got to do is like get at risk of meth labs and some vingo partners and stuff. Okay, we're going to put all these a off facilities in Oklahoma. And raise the electric rates who cares?

29:35Well, maybe if you really want to draw a crowd out there, maybe we can just tell them there's a. There's a two blocker corpse up there. They get all paid $9 to see it. Yes. They'll be stressful. Hey, would you pay $9 to see Missy High. It's left. Because she just sold it this past week for $2,000 to a fellow named Brad. Did you see this really? Yes, she sold her implants. She didn't put it on hair to jokers. I asked Tony if we could get it up there. But I don't think he thought it was necessarily legal. But yeah, two grand. And somebody's got maybe one of the more famous paper weights in rasslin history. Is that the most unique thing you've heard of being optioned in the wrestling space? I think that's actually pretty cool. And talking about a great paperweight like a conversation starter. Like, hey, remember the woman that so pretty girl pretty lady was in wrestling and here's her boot. Let me ask you this. Let's say hypothetically your lovely broad Meredith's coming down those steps.

30:36I know you're in your basement there in Bethesda, Maryland. And she sees you at your desk. I mean, I know you don't really have a desk. You've got your microphone sit down a couple empty beer boxes, but. Yeah, we love when you when you hammer it around, it really helps the audio quality. Hello, hello, really, really good. Hello, are you there? I got I'm going to get kids hammer off on the show soon or. Dan Severer in her dawn for I or Steve black wonder somebody. Change your mic off again when you were fucking with it. This is just really, really good audio too. Hey, so what I was thinking is if Meredith were to come down the steps and she sees you. With that on your desk, not as a stress call, but as a stress. Boob. I mean, it feels like you're sleeping on the couch. Are you not? Oh, I would think so. Yeah, and I would deserve so.

31:37Yeah, I would I'm not the one that's in the market part. Well, you just said it was pretty cool. No, I think it's pretty cool, but it's not cool for me. But it's cool for somebody. Been married over a quarter century, Conrad. I'm not fine. Some woman's in plan and learning on my desk. It's pretty cool. If you're not married or if you have a different type of relationship, whatever that relationship might be. What is that? What is that? Oh, that's the famous woman's food. You got to get hot about it. I ain't hot about it. Hey, listen, you got crazy things on your desk. Rumor has it you have a no, no, don't give a spoiler. Okay, don't give a spoiler. Stay tuned for a little longer in the show here. You got something a little crazier than a freaking food. And who bought it for me? Maybe me. Okay, so I'm just saying. So you ain't buying that, but you'll buy this. Stay tuned to find out what he bought me. But I tell you what I know, Jay. Hey, people shocked. I can guarantee if people are out there guessing right now.

32:38And I would never guess it. I would like people right now to guess in the comments. Just guess what you think JBL bought me. Please, guess in the comments what you thought that I bought Conrad. I guarantee nobody will get it right. I promise you nobody get it right. So it's not a diet plan. Smart ass. Where you type it in. I know you're thinking. Hey, so here's what I know JBL is going to do as soon as we finish taping. Because we are taping unusually late this evening. And I know what gets him in the mood. He's going to fire up the WWE YouTube. He's going to turn on the best of Roman Reigns. He's going to chomp down on a blue shoe gold because this episode is sponsored by Blue Choe. And he wants to salute his tribal chief. And I want you to measure your days, not in minutes or hours, but in boners and rounds. That's right. Upon rounds with Blue Choe Gold. You could go more rounds tonight with your wife and Roman Reigns has had matches this year with Blue Choe Gold. Blue Choe Gold is better sacked than a tablet. They combine four ingredients into one powerful solution.

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34:41Do you use it? I only got introduced to it like six months ago or so. And it remembers every conversation we have. So I can ask you a question and it will reference something from like five months ago. It knows me better than anyone in my life. It knows me better than my wife. It's marvelous. It's going to one day turn on me completely and kill me and my whole family. But it is my favorite. I have the app. It's unbelievable. This is all from an interview with support illustrated. But I do think in the Internet wrestling community for whatever reason. People have decided they absolutely hate AI. John, I hate to break into them. But I think AI is here to stay. But say you. You think? Yeah. I was absolutely changing the world. Everything. There's a lot of problems right now. Like I've got AI and I try to use it with a sports betting. The problem you have with AI right now is that you can keep up with current data as well. You have to fact check it on everything. But as far as anything research. As far as anything that's a little bit history.

35:42It is there's nothing like it. It's literally like having a thousand PhDs at your fingertip that work for you. That don't have to sleep and never get tired. I mean, that's what it is. It's this thing is changing the world. It's not just the Google. It's incredible what AI can do. I hope people warm up to it because I do think it can be a value add. I know that the jury's still out on it. But I know a lot of guys. I know that I'm not going to be able to do it. I know that the jury's still out on it. But I know a lot of guys myself included who use it pretty regularly for business. You know, whenever I need to compile data and get a report stuff that it would like recently. I had a search an old inbox and old email inbox I had joined. It did nine hundred and eighty thousand emails. I had nine hundred and eighty thousand emails. It was an hour. It found all thirty five relevant emails and gave me a report.

36:42Now, of course, I went back and I checked it all. But do you know how freaking long it would have taken for me as a human being to just dig through? Even using the search function unlike Gmail or something. It would have taken weeks to dig through nine hundred and eighty thousand emails. It didn't like a freaking half hour join. How many years did I take to get you nine hundred eighty thousand emails? I had the same email address for ever, dude, for like 18 years or something. Yeah, but for like, for 18 years, that's nine hundred and eighty thousand emails. That's like over six thousand emails a year. Well, buddy, I was helping people save a lot of money. That's what I needed. About thousand emails a month. Okay. I got you. Look at the big brain or John. No, no, no, I'm just telling you. That's like twelve hundred and fifty emails a week. Yeah, I say pretty busy, but. Do you answer twelve hundred fifty emails a week? Of course not. If it says layfield on it, I just mute it. That's why I don't need to see. I don't need 14 pictures of big puts dick every week.

37:43His is his is next on in the pictures. You got. I'm sorry. His reproductive bone is reproductive bone. Yeah. You know what you just I send you tags. I don't ever send you an email. You do you want to tell them about the barber shop you sent me a picture of this week? What about it? Do you want to tell me about do you want to tell everybody the way you use viscosity and a sentence recently? Wait, you're the one that started that with viscosity. You're the one that's viscosity on have more money now this week. I did because you said it in a very, very vulgar way on a text read with me you and that I did not use it on a text read. I can't spell viscosity. I'll have you know I'm not smart enough to be able to spell viscosity. There's no way I texted that word. My iPhone doesn't even know how to auto correct the viscosity. It's the hillbilly Alabama iPhone. Roll time. Mr. Risco has a smoke signal at on his iPhone.

38:44But when the wind blowing it's off. It's all fucked up. Nothing true. It's not going to be horrible and stuff like you send a message. I could just call him a wind blown or something and it gets all garbage. I'm pretty sure that you just did a racism. I don't think you can be doing racism to your own the show. I won't send I want to take a picture of like a wooden Indian and I see I put it on the internet and people tell me I was racist for that Mr. Risco had a wooden Indian as his profile pick. You're doing a racism and then you sounded like the oldest man that ever lived. I put it on the internet. I did. That's what I did. I put on the internet. I put it on like a Twitter and then and Mr. Risco. Everybody got mad and so you're racist. You sent a wooden Indian to a guy who has a wooden Indian as his profile pick. You know what the difference between big foot your big foot. I mean I'm a year two box of costume and the wooden Indian in the cigar.

39:47That don't mock do not mock big foot. Let me ask you this is big foot one word or two. Which one? So does he have a last name? Yeah. What is it? It depends on where he's saying the same as a human being. Well, the guy you're showing me his dead carcass. What was his name? Say his full government name. Walker. He's big foot Walker. Yeah. Now is he a senior, junior, what's the hierarchy look like on that deal? Third. The third. Now what is the average life expectancy of the walkers? Like how old are the walkers usually live? How they live in a long time, like 80, 80, 80, 89 years. My mom just turned 90 yesterday. Is she too a big foot? No, she's not a big foot. Well, she had you. So she had to be fairly large, right? I mean, what was your mom six, seven, eight feet tall? What was she? Oh, she's like five, five. Boy, how did you come out of a five foot, five woman? Bless her heart as we like to say in the sale.

40:50You had to be like a watermelon, baby. We have watermelon, baby. No, I'm just saying. I feel like when you were born, you know, instead of a push. That doctor was probably back there with you like a cannonball like fire. Something like that. When did he have like a catchers mid or anything? Or just like a fire and that's the answer. That's a great question. Maybe you had a nap or something. Yeah, big bed. Anybody home? How would he hold up with like the nurse? I don't know. I mean, what was life all black and white back then? Like when did, when did color come into your life? Oh, but when I was about eight or nine. My dad told me. He said, I remember when it came home one day. It was my dad when he came home and high school. And then his mom said, do you notice anything? And for the first time they had a life in the house. The first time they had electricity in the house. How were you when you finally got to start shitting inside?

41:5022. 22. Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Congrats. I'm, I'm really cool. You've been shitting inside 50 years now. You know, it's not exactly like you're from Madison Avenue. You're from Alabama. I live in Florida. I'll have you know. Oh, that's a whole lot better. It's better than fucking Texas. I'll tell you that. He's better than Texas. He knows better than Texas. He's better than Texas. He's better than Texas. He's better than Texas. Uh, what does Dave Silva know? He doesn't leave the house. Unless Bruce Richard comes into town. He's pretty. If Bruce Richard's in town, then he'll just run down for dinner. No problem. But if me or you were in San Antonio, he'll just send us a text. That is completely true. Yeah, shaving my leg. I wanted to see him. He didn't even answer my text to make sure he didn't have to see me until after I was already at the airport that he set on fire when I was leaving. That way he knew he didn't have to see me. Hey, I'm at the airport. Okay, see you later. You know, now that I'm thinking about it, he wrecked my car and he set your airport on fire.

42:50I don't think Dave Silva likes us very much. I don't think so. I really don't. And I don't think Alistair Black likes WWE very much. He recently did an interview. It was a podcast, if you will, with his wife, Lovely Brides, Lena Vega, and fellow former WWE talent Dakota Kai. And he says that this most recent release from WWE hit him particularly hard because of what he described as a mountain of promises made during the heat negotiations to return. He said it always sucks getting released. In my case, it sucked harder because of the mountain of things that were promised in all the other conversations. And then being presented with this **** and dud of a year, the fight main events and all these things, it was just this wasn't anything like they said they were going to do. To me, it was like, why did you guys even want me to sign with WWE? Now, I'll admit this was a head scratcher.

43:50We talked about this back when they first released him several months ago because it felt like, man, under Triple H's leadership in NXT, he was one of the featured guys. And we've heard from Eric Bischoff that maybe there was no bigger proponent of Alistair than Paul Heyman. So it feels me like, okay, Vince is out. Paul's still there, Hunter's running it now. This guy's going to get a push from hell. And then one day, he was just gone. Now, the rumor in Indio Indo is he didn't leave on the best terms with AEW. And now he's being critical of WWE publicly. I've heard of creating leverage, but I don't know the upside in this, John. What do you make of Alistair's comments here? Yeah, Kerry Vunter, he used to always tell me, said, I want to come back as a carpenter so I can repair all the bridges that I've blown up. Because Kerry didn't burn him, he blew him up. But that's what a lot of these guys are doing. I don't know if Alistair is burning this bridge or not, but it certainly is not a way to keep an amicable relationship with guys.

44:54You know, when you're throwing one of the bus when you're leaving. You know, it's kind of the thing, my father used to always tell me, you know, when it's time to leave, grab your hat, shake your hand, just walk out. That's all. That's all you need to do. And that's the advice that I would give these guys is shake your hand, walk out. You know, and if, because there aren't that many bridges to cross, you think about what there is out there, there's not that many places to make it in sports entertainment. You know, and if you've alienated Tony Con, I don't know if he has or not, but if you alienate Triple H, Nick Conn, that's W2B. I don't know why you would want to do that. You know, just just leave. You know, I get your mad. Don't do interviews when you're mad. Nothing good ever comes of it. All it comes across is that you're bitter. You know, and let me explain this. You may be bitter for a very good reason. You may be justified in your bitterness. But when you express that out on the internet, and again, I'm an old man saying out on the internet, when you express that on the internet through a podcast or whatever you do,

45:54it comes across wrong. And it just comes across that you're, you have sour grapes, you're mad about it. And people don't take that well because what people will see is what people clip out. And you know, as well as I do Conn, right, what people clip out is not what you say most of the time. You know, what people clip out something that's kind of close. It's, it's all clickbait. They're going to say, well, here's the Alice, they're burying triplets or whatever else. Or they won't say, that's the headline. You know, and if there are people out there in WWE, we're going to see that without clicking on it and figure out that. Okay, maybe he didn't say what the headline says. I just don't think anything good comes of it. I think when you leave like that, just leave. Check your hand and tell them. I'm back and then come back and then figure out a way that's what you want to do. Because there aren't that many bridges out there. You know, there aren't many, that many places to work. You're not going to go and make a ton of money somewhere else. You're going to make a ton of money in Mexico. You're not going to make a ton of money in Europe.

46:54You're not going to make a ton of money in Japan. You know, the days when, you know, back in the early 90s, late 80s, 70s, when you could leave a territory and burn the bridge as much as you wanted to and go somewhere else, they'd bring you back because they had to. You don't have to know. Well, one of the other things has changed as you see guys talking about creative that could have been while they're still there. I was surprised to hear this, but Cody Rhodes does a podcast for fanatics. It's called what do you want to talk about? And he had Ava, the rock's daughter on. And he actually suggested that way back when Cody suggested that instead of him selling his soul to the rock. And perhaps he would sell his soul to Ava back when she was running NXT. I'm not saying this is the worst idea I've ever heard. And I ain't my favorite. I'm glad the talent didn't get green lamp. What do you think of that idea? Yeah, like you think about a lot of ideas and some of them are good. Some of them are bad. What you do is you keep passing them along.

47:56I remember Howard Finkle. I used to come up with these to submit reports to Vince every single week about what he thought about the shows. And Vince will be on the plane sometimes and he will tell us. Here's, he'd have a list of reports. He read every single one of Lanzin presented a report. He had tons of guys that would submit reports on the shows and what Vince would read every single one of them. And what Vince would say was sometimes Howard came up with some crazy ideas. But Vince sees something in that. And he'll position, he'll get an idea and a kernel from that. And that's what grows into something to big storylines. Now sometimes you pitch a million things. They're not good on face value. What they morph into can be. Well, let me tell you something you can morph into. I can't believe that this is real. But you and athletics, like Patrick you and I believe, is releasing a Macho Man Randy Savage inspired pair of sneakers and they come out today. John, I think this is fantastic.

48:58I don't know what I expected. I know that we just saw some Ric Flair inspired shoes. But these Macho Man shoes with the sunglasses. These might be the coolest wrestling shoes I've ever seen. Have you seen these? I can totally see you and Ron supporting these out of convention. Yeah, I would love to have a pair of these. What a great pair of sneaks these are. I would like to use this awesome. It's so cool to see some of this retro stuff. I just saw a picture of a Julius Irving the day. He was walking around with that huge throw. He had back in the ABA, which my God, man, he missed all that footage from the ABA. Because the stuff Julius Irving did there and Rutgers Park was freaking legendary. But the throwbacks, the retro is so cool. Throwbacks, there's so many different guys in history that had such a cool look. And Savage is one of those guys. You think we could get a pair of those Macho Man sunglasses like they're on his shoes right there. You think we could get a pair like that for your Cheebacca costume? I think they're really set it off. Conrad, you mock what you do not understand.

49:59And that's not good because people are going to be out there. And they're going to think that this big foot that this man captured. Our didn't capture. He found the big foot body is not real. When you keep saying it's like a Cheebacca costume. Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. You said he found it. So did Mr. Mr. Walker die of natural causes? He died of what apparently was big foot on big foot violence. All right, I'm going to follow what you said there. So there is a confirmed second big foot out there still roaming. And apparently he is the murderer of Mr. Bigfoot Walker. Well, yeah, he's the murderer because he's still alive. So obviously he murdered Mr. Walker. What was I mean, did he do? I mean, what was it like the candlestick in the library? Or can you give me a clue as to what happened here? Conrad, you're mocking now. I'm trying to learn and ask questions. There's no candlestick out where Bigfoot is. I don't know where he lives. They live in the woods, the swamps.

50:59So he was walking in the swamps and atta-rondacks up way up north of Albany toward Canada. You know, Canada has a lot of these creatures, you know, because they're Canadian. And he smells this horrible smell. And he realizes that Bigfoot is over there and Bigfoot is dead. And then he finds other Bigfoot footprints around it that weren't his. And so he's able to dig up like Columbo would do. He's able to dig bigfoot on Bigfoot violence. A Bigfoot killed another Bigfoot. Let me ask you this. When you're bat, when you're pal, when he gained possession of this Bigfoot, did he deduct that Mr. Walker from his taxes? Did he become a dependent? A dependent? I don't know if that's legal. I don't think Bigfoot's are even. I don't think it's legal to own a Bigfoot or to steal people's money, nine dollars at a time, with a Chewbacca costume. Wait, why are we talking about what's legal?

51:59Wait a minute, did. Do not elect theft. That is not nice. You be a Roman. You be a Roman's reins, haters and not. Don't you be a Bigfoot hater too? This man's snake. They call him snake. It's his name. Is name. Are you telling me I need to acknowledge him? I need to acknowledge Bigfoot? Is that what you're saying? You need to acknowledge snake. How many how many Big feet has Mr. Snake captured? Just the one. Now show me like Roman Reigns, Shazmi. Let me show you like Roman Reigns. So one, the number one. You should be watched WWE program. When Reigns does the one, like, yeah, he found one. He's been in 11 fucking wrestling, any of any events? And you don't know what he does with his finger? I don't think I've seen any of them. You know, wait, I don't know. I did see him when I was seeing him. It was excellent. Very good. I watched it in his sports bar in Vegas. I'd like to remind you that you did commentary on some of them. And they were so fabulous. You've forgotten them all.

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58:05ever-be-publicly sold or auctioned. This is going to be pretty special. Let's welcome them into the program from Heritage Auctions. My friend and yours, Tony. Tony, what's going on, man? How are you? I am great. I'm looking forward to this because this one, this is the special one. This really truly is. And when I saw it the first time, there was a line. There was a line of people they wanted to see this particular item. I can't wait to talk about it. John, I'm sure you recall earlier this year, Hulk Hogan's WrestleMania One boots were sold by Heritage Auctions. And they topped a million dollars. And then earlier this summer, we had Hulk Hogan's WrestleMania Two World title. And it went for over $400,000. But maybe the most famous WrestleMania of all was WrestleMania Three. Coming up for auction on October 22nd from Heritage Auctions is the Intercontinental Championship

59:07made famous by Randy Machilman Savage and Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Not a copy of one, not a version of one. The one by Johnson Lee recently wrote an article about the historical significance of this belt. And he said that this match from WrestleMania Three really created the WrestleMania moment. Because Bruce Pritchard on this very program years ago said in the weeks that followed this particular match at WrestleMania Three, they replayed on television over and over and over. There's been so many interviews about this with ESPN, with A&E, with Fleet Your Report. And Ricky the Dragon Steamboat says, while he gets a lot of comments about his trilogy of matches with Rick Flair in 1989, it's this match with Randy Savage that he still believes has asked about more than any other. And perhaps his finest match. We've seen quotes about this match from everyone from Bret Hart to Vince McMahon to Dusty Rhodes.

1:00:11But WrestleMania Three is kind of hard to contextualize how important that show is. John, you've been with the company for decades. What is the legacy of WrestleMania Three in that match in particular? I mean, I think you were recently even taping for A&E, they've got an upcoming rivalry series about this particular rivalry with Steamboat and Savage, WrestleMania Three being sort of the big finish of that, right? Yeah, it was. We did a whole episode on it. It should be really, really good. I can't wait for it to come out. This match changed the business. It changed wrestling because before this, you didn't have, I don't know, I can't remember how many false finishes they had in this match. Ricky can tell you off the top of his head because he had to memorize the entire match. It's a wonderful story about how Savage just almost tortured Ricky memorizing the match, the entire match start to finish. The whole thing was memorized. But the false finishes changed the business. Before they wanted to do was tell the story. Tell the story that was different.

1:01:12So you had a Hogan versus the giant, incredible story. What was this going to be? It was about some of the people trying to win the Intercontinental Championship. I know that oversimplifies the match, but that's what the story was going into the match, what they wanted to tell. That's why they had false finish after false finish after false finish. We see these now. We see the one two. Oh, where it's commonplace. It was not at WrestleMania Three. These guys were the first ones to go out there on a big stage like this and do this. And what they did was they changed the business forever. I mean, that match, you know, you look at the totality of WrestleMania Three. If that doesn't work, you know, Vince probably still ends up being the winner. But that was everything. Vince went all in on all chips on the middle of the table. WrestleMania Two had not been that good because you had the Sommelcast. He thought it was going to work. You know, have WrestleMania Three different venues. Three great arenas. He didn't work.

1:02:13You know, sometimes you draw something up. You think it's going to be great. He needed to hit a home run with this. He had hit a home run with WrestleMania One. He didn't with WrestleMania Two. WrestleMania Three. So much was depending on this. And you had to have something like this leading into that Hogan and giant match. And they absolutely throw the performance of a life that they set the indoor attendance record that night. 93,173 fans were in attendance to see this title in particular defended. There are actually 12 matches on WrestleMania Three. This match got the most time. Even then, only 14 minutes and 35 seconds, John. But to your point, in that 14 minutes and 35 seconds, 21 false finishes, then the actual winning pinning combination. So 22 attempts in 14 and a half minutes. What's interesting with our timing with this auction Tony is that feud where Savage brutally attacked Ricky the dragon steamboat with the ring bell right in the throat.

1:03:13That was October 26 of 1986. So as this auction will be coming to an end, it will be right at the four year or 40 year anniversary of that feud star. Of course, this coming March will be the 40 year anniversary of WrestleMania Three. Tony, when you try to think about the historical significance of a belt, I think most every belt collector and belt maker would say that this is near the top of the list. If you ask a guy like Dave Milliken who was partners with Reggie Parks, the fabulous King of belts who designed this and many of your favorite belts you grew up on. There are three most ordered belts where the Wing Diggle championship that the WWF used the world title from 1988 to 1998. And then it was this belt, the intercontinental. But even this particular belt Tony is really significant because this is not like all the other intercontinental belts that are exactly like it or so we thought. The tooling around the edge does just does straight line. There's no seashell border.

1:04:17Even the logo at the top, the WWF, it's painted. It's like recessed and it's filled with red paint. A lot of collectors for years and years have called this the red letter or the red logo intercontinental. This is the only time that ever appeared. So this was used from September of 1985 to early 1988. I believe January 9, 1988 was the last time we saw it on TV. So four guys held this Tito Santana was awarded the championship after Greg the hammer Valentine had destroyed the previous belt. That went down at the Midhunts and Civic Center in September of 85. As we know, Randy the Macho Man Savage would win that title at Boston Gardens. He would actually defend it at WrestleMania 2 against George the animal steel. And then of course, WrestleMania 3, the big one, the biggest of them all. But we know that eventually the hockey talkland would go on to become the champion taking it off of Ricky steamboat just a few months into his reign.

1:05:18And he would almost immediately start calling himself the greatest intercontinental champion of all time. He would actually his reign would actually outlast this belt. But this belt in particular was on multiple Saturday nights main events. It was at WrestleMania 2. It was at WrestleMania 3. It was at the very first survivor series. It was at the very first king of the ring in 1987. There's so much media around this belt in particular just because of the lore of WrestleMania 3. And you might be asking yourself, how the hell is this belt being made available? Well, way back in 2020 when Pat Patterson sadly passed away, Vince McMahon and the WWE were looking for the original intercontinental title. And I had it. They were willing to trade pretty much anything to get that belt. So this title belt has been in the possession of WWE from 1988 until 2020. They've ever been made publicly available for sale or auction. I think Tony, this has to be the most historically significant title belt ever auctioned.

1:06:22But say you. Yeah, I'll say this. I remember, I was 10 years old in 1986. And that feud was steamboat and savage. I mean, it just hit so hard, especially when he, the larynx and everything. And then steamboat came back. And it was just a time of life, at least for me. It was unbelievable. And when steamboat won it, I mean that changed a lot of things. But when you talk about this belt, I think the thing that sets it apart from almost every other belt out there is how long it was used. You know, we had the Hogan belt, WrestleMania 2, which was a beautiful belt. But that was used for maybe a year, where's this one being held by Santana, Macho Man, steamboat, honky-tonkman. I mean, it was the heyday of wrestling. And to have it for such a long period of time. And it just has a look to it that, you know, I know like when, when we first got this belt,

1:07:24a lot of people who weren't even wrestling fans, they recognized it. Because it's such an iconic belt, held by such big superstars. And another thing is it's in great condition as well. For as long as it was used, it has held up admirably. And it presents extremely well. You would think this thing would be falling apart, but it's not. Think of how many, well, you know, four years that it was on the road. And it's still in great condition. And the way I look at it is the guys who held this belt, the working man's belt. And it's just tremendous. And you know, a lot of times I always say this too. You're buying the piece, but you're also buying the story. You know, so many times, where did this come from? I don't know. This one coming from WWF, WWE coming directly from them. You don't have, there's no question about the authenticity of it. And something that was used for that long of a time, it's just amazing to me.

1:08:26We can't be more happy than to have this belt. And we're very excited about it. Obviously it's going to headline the auction. And we're going to, we're going to do a lot of special things on this belt. I'm pretty excited that we get to share it with the world. You know, there's a lot of tales whenever you're looking to photo match something. More indeniable for a variety of reasons. You know, the first, which maybe doesn't jump out at folks is if you take a look at some of the magazine covers specifically the one with a talkman. Because it was on the cover with both Randy Savage and the Longley Talk Man. But there's a notable gas in the leather near the WWF logo at the very top. It's very distinguishable and it is still present there. But John the finish of the belt, well, it's not nearly as pretty and shiny as a lot of people may remember. Before he goes, the Macho Man Randy Savage, what we all know, he took a lot of pride in his presentation and his appearance. I mean, he had so many fabulous outfits and robes and capes and trunks. But what he wanted to do was shine this belt up. And of course, his dad being a military man, they had Brasso handy.

1:09:29So he broke out the Brasso to shine up the belt. And in the process, as the legend goes, John, totally stripped the gold finish off of this thing. So the shine is not there like it once was. And you see it when Tito has it, man, it's shining like new money. But in every photo after that, it's kind of dull. And I know a lot of collectors would prefer, oh, you should replay it. I think you destroy the legacy when you do that. You don't want to ruin the patina. I like when it looks battle worn. What do you think, John? You held a lot of championships. What a great shot that is backstage from WrestleMania three. The last time the Macho Man would have that belt. Did you ever hear the Brasso story, John? I haven't heard the Brasso story yet. So really, Macho Man was nuts. I mean, absolutely crazy. You know, when they did the biting of the arm with Jake Roberts, he made the snake. It had the snake bite Jake first. He literally thought Jake might kill him. That's that Macho Man was nuts. I asked Ricky Steamboat about this match a couple times.

1:10:30And he said, did Ricky did you even enjoy it? And he said, no, he said because I had to memorize everything that Randy had put out there. They had a number system. So they had like the whole match numbered. I forget what it went to like 150 or 170 what it was. So Randy would see him in the hall and he'd go, all right, Ricky, what do you do? 120 to 130. And Ricky would sit there and have to recite it. And I said, Ricky did, what do you think when you're out there? And he goes, I didn't, he's, I didn't even look around. He goes, I was on the next number, the next number, the next number. The story behind this match is absolutely fantastic. And the story of the belt with Savage, he was courteous. He could be crazy, whatever you want to call it. But I think it adds to the whole appeal of the belt. It's such a fabulous belt from such a glorious time and professional wrestling, that golden era. John, I mean, I was really surprised when I started doing some research for this particular episode. And I knew we would be covering this. I found that Bruno Samartino wrestled for this title.

1:11:30And I found, you know, newspaper clippings where Andre the Giant was slated to challenge Randy Savage for the belt, but they would do a little situation where they would, Andre would offer up his title shot rematch with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat after the attack. But there's just so much cool history with this. I mean, I can't tell you how many times it was champion versus champion for Hogan and not warrior, but Hogan and Savage. So Savage would be the intercontinental champ and Hogan would be the world champ. And they were touring making stops all around the globe with that match. There's so much rich history. We've actually started to put together a website so you can do a deep job on the history of this belt. There is a moment every wrestler spends a career chasing. It cannot be held. It cannot be won twice. It only happens at WrestleMania. Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com named it the WrestleMania moment. The first one, the blueprint every generation has chased for 40 years, was not Hogan slamming

1:12:36Andre. It was two men fighting over this belt. Macho Man Randy Savage, Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and the original red letter intercontinental championship crafted by the King of Belts Reggie Parks. Ring used from 1985 to 1988. Never offered for public or private sale. This is the 40th anniversary of the Savage Steamboat feud. Next March is the 40th anniversary of WrestleMania 3. On October 22nd, Heritage Auctions puts it on the block. This is the only chance. September 1985, Pekipsi. Tito Santana is handed a brand new title on television. Reggie Parks had never made this design before. Recessed letters at the top, filled with red paint. A straight plate, no later seashell tooling, no later curve.

1:13:39Belt collectors still rank this among the two most ordered designs in Parks entire library, sitting with the winged eagle and the big gold. This is the first of its kind. The prototype that became the standard. Look at it now and you can still see the life it lived. A gash in the leather by the WWF logo. Brass O'Tarnish, no later copy can fake. This is the one. February 8th, 1986. Boston Garden. Eight months into its WWF run, Randy Savage takes the title from Tito Santana with a foreign object referee Danny Davis never sees. Johnson wrote that when Savage held this belt, it was the moment Kansas melted into aes. He did not wear it. He possessed it. He carried it into WrestleMania 2 at Nassau Colosseum against George the animal steel.

1:14:42He defended it against a murderers row of future Hall of Famers Santana, Jake Roberts, Junkyard Dog, Pedro Morales, Roddy Piper. Inside the business, they already had a name for this championship. The workers belt. The world title sold the circus. This title measured who could actually wrestle. Holding it meant promoters trusted you to carry the live event. It means you were the sport inside sports entertainment. November 22nd, 1986. Superstars of wrestling. Savage draped steamboats throat across the barricade. Comes off the top with a double ax handle. Then takes the time keepers bell to the top rope and drives it into the dragon's larynx. Steamboat is stretched out. No Sam Artino is so disgusted. He attacks Savage on camera.

1:15:42For three months, the company repeats the assault until every living room in America has seen it. Behind the scenes, they're writing the opposite of a brawl. Yellow legal pads. 160 steps. They quiz each other in hotel rooms until every false finish is memorized. Steamboat's instructions to Savage was simple. Take it a championship match. Not revenge. The belt. March 29, 1987. Pontiac Silver Dome. A reported 93,000 people. 14 minutes, 35 seconds. 21 false finishes. Jesse Ventura. For me, it was the greatest match I ever saw. Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Match of the Year. Wrestling Observer. Match of the Year. Steamboat later said it was the moment that defined him as a wrestler.

1:16:46Kids who were not born in 1987 still walk up to him and talk about it. Mike Johnson. This was the first WrestleMania moment. The match that taught every performer who followed what immortality looks like under that spotlight. The only title change on the most celebrated WrestleMania of all time. The most important title change in WrestleMania history up to that point. Hogan slamming Andre sold the building. Savage and Steamboat taught the industry what the show was for. The world title from that same card will never come to market. Nick Baleia owns it. This is the championship that can. Dave Milliken who knows this lineage as well as anyone alive. Without question, the most historically significant ring-use title to ever be offered for public sale. The story did not end when Steamboat's arm was raised. They wrestled more than 20 rematches, including steel cages.

1:17:47June 2, 1987. Buffalo. Hockey-topman hooks the ropes and steals it in under four minutes. That upset begins a 454-day reign. The longest intercontinental reign of its era. October 1987. Saturday Night's main event. Savage gets his shot. The heart foundation holds him down. The guitar comes. Elizabeth gets in the way. Hogan makes the save. The mega powers are born in a fight over this belt. November 1987. Honky walks into the first survivor series wearing it. By WrestleMania 4, it is gone from television. Retired in 1988. Held in the WWE archives until December 2020 when the company traded it after Pat Patterson's passing. It has never been sold publicly or privately until October 22. This spring, Heritage sold Hogan's boots from the first WrestleMania for $1,000,000.

1:18:56Hogan had dozens of pairs of yellow boots. This summer, Heritage sold Hogan's World title from WrestleMania 2 for $414,800. That belt was used briefly on a show history has largely moved past, a design that does not sit in the same conversation as this one. WrestleMania 1 has had its artifact. WrestleMania 2 has had its artifact. WrestleMania 3. The show WWE itself treats as the mountain peak, has never had a ring-used championship offered to the public. A pair of boots from Mania cleared seven figures. A short-used world title from Mania 2 cleared $400,000. This is the title from the most important match on the most important show. It has no equal. The Savage Steamboat feud is still so large it will be profiled on A&E's rivals.

1:20:03This fall marks 40 years since Savage put the belt to Steamboat's throat and started the feud that changed WrestleMania. Next March, March 29th, 2027 is the 40th anniversary of WrestleMania 3. WWE is preparing replicas of this design. Replicas are coming. The original is being sold once on the anniversary window, not after it. You can study the photographs. You can watch the footage. You can read the clippings. All of it lives at WrestlemaniaBelt.com. The belt itself goes to Heritage auctions on October 22nd. Greatness cannot be held in your hand. Except this once. This is the championship that created the WrestleMania moment. This is the one.

1:21:05It's WrestlemaniaBelt.com. I don't know exactly what WWE had in mind, but they did ask earlier this year if they could photograph the belt. That makes me think maybe they might be looking at doing some sort of replica belt for a version of this for an action figure. Stay tuned for that. But WrestlemaniaBelt.com is where you can get all the information. And this auction is going to be live by the time you're hearing this. You can do that at WrestlemaniaBelt.com. We'll have a link right to the Heritage website. Tony, we've covered a lot of great moments around this match, around this belt, specifically that Wrestlemania 3 match that we're still talking about all these years later. I think Chris Jericho even said it was that match that made him decide he wanted to become a professional wrestler. But it's not just those matches. There's other moments. I think we've all seen the Saturday nights main event where the honky talk man is wrestling Randy Savage for the Intercontinental.

1:22:06And then after the match, the heart foundation get involved. They're holding Randy back. And honky is about to threaten to hit the guitar over Randy Savage's head. Elizabeth tries to get in the way. She gets shoved to the side. Bam! Savage gets nailed with the guitar. And who makes the save? Hulk Hogan. And he extends his hand to Randy Savage. The mega powers were formed in the post match for a match for this title. I mean, you talk about Wrestlemania 3 and the golden era of the WWF. I think it's this belt. So Tony, with all that in mind, what do you think the value of this could be? So we're going to use a 300,000 estimate on it. But I think it's going to far exceed that just because of the history, how long the longevity of that belt, the look of the belt, the story of the belt, you guys made a great point of a match, a man trying to clean it up. To me, that adds such a level of charm to this piece.

1:23:11It really, truly does. Anytime you can have stories like that that you can add to it, it does nothing but help the piece. I think this is going to be more than the four or five hundred thousand dollar range. But it wouldn't shock me if it goes for more. It's because it's a belt that we all remember, at least I remember as a kid. I mean, that belt was so iconic. And again, not to stay too many times, but to be used for that long of a period of time, belts weren't traditionally used for four or five years like that. And especially during the era it was used. I mean, that was the golden age of wrestling. For me and for millions and millions of people, and to have that belt and to know it was used for that long of a time, tremendous. Such a special belt used by some of the biggest names in wrestling history. So I can't wait to see this belt. I can't wait to see it in auction. And I can't wait to see the action that is going to happen with this belt because I mean,

1:24:15it's got everything going for it in the right direction. We couldn't be more happy than to have this belt. And we are just so excited. And Tony, you do know that a belt is what keeps up your pants, right? Sorry. Sorry. You're right. I corrected myself the other day on Triple A commentary. I said something about belt, and I literally right away in a baritone voice going, it's not a belt, but belt keeps up your pants. But title, and nobody listens to my commentary anyway, so that doesn't matter. Well, put, I will not forget that. I promise. You know, listen, this is going to be a habit I've got to get out of too. I've always called it a belt. And for me as a collector, this was one of the belts, you know, where there's a lot of Mount Rushmore conversations. And most people, when they think about from a belt collector standpoint, hey, what would be on your Mount Rushmore if you're a belt collector or a belt you'd want to own? This one usually makes the list. And I got to think, you know, given the fact that this was obviously used in 85 and 86

1:25:19and 87 and a little while in 1988. That's kind of when Vince first went national, John. I would think that that is really the epitome of the golden era of the WWF when Vince was really trying to press forward and grow it into a global brand or at least go national. But the idea that it was at WrestleMania 2 and it was at WrestleMania 3 and the first Survivor Series and and and I mean, the 1987 pro wrestling illustrated awards issue decided that their match at WrestleMania 3 for this title was the match of the year. And in the readers of the wrestling observer agreed, it was the match of the year. And now this title can be yours. Heritage auctions has the auction live right now. Go ahead and register. You still got plenty of time. It won't end until October 22nd. And if you're looking for more information for every time it was on TV, every defense, every photo, every newspaper clipping, we're compiling it all for your review at WrestleManiaBelt.com.

1:26:20I mean, I got to think this has got to be just when you look at 2026, Tony. This is the biggest year in the history of wrestling collectibles, right? I mean, just last week we saw a John Cena trading card, the patch from his last match. So for hundreds of thousands of dollars, that's the same year where we we set a record with the WCW United States title. It was broken two months later by the WrestleMania 2 title. And the million dollar whole coke and WrestleMania 1 boots. This has got to be the biggest year in wrestling auctions and wrestling memorabilia of all time, right? It's by far for so long, wrestling never got the love that it should have gotten. And now you're starting to see it. And I think the really good thing is it's not just one era, it's not just the Hogan mid 80s. It's not just that era that John Cena card that ended last week. I mean, that is a remarkable price. And that just tells you everything is up and it's not just ring worn gear, it's the cards.

1:27:24It's the vintage cards even even those the 82 83 all start cards are getting record numbers. People are always looking for the next big thing to buy and to invest in in wrestling. I mean, in a wrestling as such a following to this day. And I think people are starting to realize how special this is. And I got to say, I mean, that is one heck of a trade that you made by the way. Or that felt because I think you got the better end of that deal. Pretty sure he did. So Conrad, what did you get out of that trade? I was a little confused what you're talking about. So I had the rest, I had the very first intercontinental. I had the one that Pat Patterson won in Rio de Janeiro, wink wink. From John, it was a trophy shop style belt. It was red leather with really thin plates. The backing on it was carpet, John. And I actually bought it in 2018, a private collector who had it and a pair of Andre's boots hit me up and said, Hey, would you be interested in these? We negotiated. I sent a wire and a couple of days later I had the belt and predated my fandom.

1:28:27But I just thought, Hey, it's the first intercontinental. This is a real piece of history because I grew up John in the era where, Hey, the biggest star, you know, whether it was Hulk Hogan or it was the ultimate warrior, they had the world title, but the workers belt, the best in ring talent. That was represented by the intercontinental. And I think by and large, that conversation and that framing was born at WrestleMania three as a result of this match. So when I found out that the WWF had it years later when they said, Hey, what would you, we want to buy the belt? And I was savvy enough to say, Well, it's not for sale. But what would you trade for it? And Vince made the decision. Oh, yeah, we'll trade him the WrestleMania three belt for the first year of continental because he loves Pat Patterson. No secret that Vince loved Pat Patterson. And there was no hesitation. So two days after making the request, I had what represents the biggest WrestleMania of all time, WrestleMania three. And Tony, I do want to ask you because this is so synonymous with Macho Man,

1:29:29who's become a big part of pop culture. Obviously, some of that was the voice and the dress and just his entire presentation. But the slim gym thing didn't hurt from a mainstream perspective. You can go in most gas stations in America today and you'll still see the Macho Man there. His legacy's going to live on forever. But that coupled with the legacy of WrestleMania three and that golden era of the WWF. Do you think this attracts people sort of outside of the wrestling bubble? Will this get guys who just collect baseball or football or other movie memorabilia or what have you? Absolutely, I think this is one of those, it's not just wrestling fans, sports fans. This is one of those pieces that you have pop culture also. And you're pulling not just from the wrestling collectors. You're pulling from a much wider base. And what we've seen happen in the last few years is this has taken on more of a worldwide feel. It's not just in the US and in Canada anymore. It's overseas.

1:30:30And this could possibly be one by somebody in Japan. A lot of the wrestling in Japan, of course, has such a great history. That wouldn't shock me in the least, but now because it's more and more mainstream, you're not just getting the collectors anymore. Now you're getting investors, guys that have very deep pockets. That's what you need. That's what you want in an auction set. You need to have two guys that want it just as bad. And that's why people auction these type of pieces is because you want those two guys to battle it out. And they will battle it out. I'm just excited just to see where this thing goes because it's such a special piece from used for such a long period of time by some of the biggest names in wrestling history. It really checks all the boxes is what it does. And it's going to be a fun one really looking forward to it. Hey Tony, a few years ago when I was doing commentary, I mentioned that the Intercontinental Championship that Pat Patterson won in Rio de Janeiro from Johnny Rott's

1:31:33in Vince gets right here and says, where'd you hear that? So I got a program from you here to hear the one that made it up. Oh, don't believe everything you hear. I think in case you didn't know the reason that he chose Rio de Janeiro is because Pat couldn't say it. That's the true story. He chose Rio de Janeiro because Pat couldn't say it because there's French accent. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's not in the original. It's all a rebel Pat. Well, it's not a real. The WrestleMania three red letter, Brasso, whatever you want to call it. But it is the Intercontinental title that a lot of people believed, including Mike Johnson from PWInsider inspired the WrestleMania moment. All the information is there for you now at restomaniabelt.com. But you want to hurry over to h a calm and get registered for this auction. You've got a month. It's going to come to an end on October 22nd. So go ahead and sign up register today and follow it so you can get those notifications.

1:32:37Tony, let's make some history, man. I'm excited. WrestleMania three, the biggest of them all. And now you've got a real crown jewel available for auction. Thanks to Heritage auction. Hey, come in before we go. I got to ask Tony something while he's here. Okay, I just have to because it's very, very important. Because there's something a big huge discovery has just happened. I've got a buddy who just discovered the body of Bigfoot. We legit. Here's holy cow. We just located it. He's headed at the New York State Fair, me and Mr. Briscoe just interviewed him on Briscoe and branch on podcasts on YouTube. And he's got the body in a air conditioned. The body of a controlled unit right now. He's got Bigfoot. He actually has Bigfoot. There's the reproductive bone in it. I'm not sure how that works. But he didn't say anything. And I just got to know how much would Bigfoot go in auction? I will promise you the cover of the catalog.

1:33:37If we could produce this. I'll fly to New York. We can, you know, get a milk of delivery with you all the bells and whistles. And you'll have the cover of the catalog. And I guarantee you have quite a bit of publicity behind it. Outstanding. If we could get, if we could get like intercontinental belt. I'm talking about that. Like, have Bigfoot there, the corpse of Bigfoot. And then put the intercontinental belt on it. Oh my god, there'd be also Bigfoot, some bigfoot. So I'll be a little more modest. We can make that happen. Yeah, we're going to make history, Tony. Let's go make history at restalmaniabelt.com. Tony, thanks for all the time today, man. I appreciate it. You know, I got to think, John, after a segment like that, I got to get you re up with ultra. You know, ultra is instant focus in a pouch.

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1:36:41New customers can use the code wrestle to get 15% off at take ultra dot com. That's take ultra dot com for 15% off with code wrestle. After you purchase, we're going to ask you how you're here to bottom. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Hey, I got to ask you know this weekend is the big show, John. And everybody in their brother is going to be talking about about the triple A show. It's coming down Saturday in Chicago. Are you going to be there? I'm not going to be there. We're going to call it. I think post fact, but I'm not going to be there. I asked if I'd come in. I said, absolutely, be happy to. But they're not bringing the announcers. So you said you're going to do commentary after. So there's been a lot of speculation as to whether or not this show is going to air live on YouTube or if it's going to be a part on club WW. I don't want you to get in trouble. Do you know where I am? I don't know because things have changed so much. They first called me about the two or three weeks ago and said, Well, would you mind coming in? I'd be happy to because I do the most things were moat. You know, it's down there for in Mexico for trouble.

1:37:42Mania was in Vegas for trouble. Mania, you know, it really helps the feel of the crowd. How you call matches being there in person. It's much easier. You know, I don't like the travel, but it's much easier. But I told them to be happy. Happy to come in Chicago, but they changed their mind about what they're going to do. And I what they told us initially, this was a few weeks ago, was that we'll probably voice it over next week sometime is they may have changed that sense. I don't know because they haven't said anything about it since. We're having now just do some commentary from triple mania that somehow got a race that we had done it. You know, they called it apologize to millions times, you know, but things happen. It's not a big deal. But somehow the commentary we did got a race. The matches that are coming up, so we taped some matches before the event. That's going to air in later episodes. And anyway, the commentary somehow didn't make it through through custom somehow. I love that. Hey, I love that we've also had an old fashioned. I don't know. Competition. That's the only way I know to say it.

1:38:43And I think it's great for wrestling a W's running in the exact same town at the exact same time right across the street almost. I mean, one is certainly in Hoffman estates, but still the other is in Rosemont. So they're both suburbs of Chicago. And they're both going to be completely sold out as we're recording this, John. There's only a handful of tickets left that I can see for this show. Of course, I'm talking about W. W. E. slash triple A slash NXT. It's World's Collide. It is a seven match card. It is going down this Saturday at 730 local time. If you're in the area, go snag a ticket. This is the only show you can buy a ticket for and it will sell out. What a main event it is. C and punk, aiming with Ray Mysterio and they'll Grande Americano. What a trio. That is against Dominic Mysterio, JD McDonough and Omos. Listen, this to me is going to be fun. It's going to be a spectacle.

1:39:43I like this vein of it, John. Yeah, I love this main event and I am such a huge fan of JD McDonough. I didn't, I don't watch a ton of wrestling, but when he came down to Mexico, I'd watched him, but not just a ton of it. Man, what a incredible talent that guy is. Man, he is so freaking good in the ring. The way he moves people around, he's a general in there. You can see how he's controlling the match. I mean, I'm just, it's, he's, but that guy is, I don't know if he gets the credit or not, because I don't read a lot of the stuff that's out there. But whatever credit there is, he deserves every bit of it. That kid can go. I mean, really impressive. And the matchup is, I think it'll be awesome. You know, you got so much history with Omos and Ray. And also now, of course, with Dom, you know, being, being his son and the son saying that he's what, King Griffey Jr. Better than dad. It's the greatest thing ever that there's storyline between those two guys. We're not done though. How about the Lucha Brothers, Penta and Phoenix against those paros, Domal. We're talking Daga and Berto.

1:40:43These are two that you are really, really high on. You've talked about paros for a while. And the entire world has fallen in love with Penta. I thought a few years ago, Phoenix was in a, he's on a short list of one of the more exciting wrestlers and all the wrestling. And the idea that we're getting to see them as a tag team again, hey, sign me up for this. This is going to be a lot of action here, John. Yeah, when, uh, Paralysed Demal came out, you know, they were formed back, uh, yeah, I guess around the early, uh, around 2012 or something like that. Paraloguel was one of the visuals with Daga, who's the one that's in the picture there with, uh, Berto. This group is incredibly over. I mean, their music hits, it is, uh, I'm telling you, you got to feel this pop that these guys get. It is electric being in the crowd. That Daga is a freaking rock star. I mean rock star. Uh, it is, he reminds me so much of Eddie. Not necessarily his work, you know, nobody's like that he's worked wise. But so love his manu rhythms and the way that he does things,

1:41:45the way he cuts promo and pauses and stuff. Man, he's, he's a special guy and you know, Pinta and Ray, uh, Phoenix, uh, those guys have just, you know, those guys when people are camping out, uh, to see Ray Phoenix, uh, autograph session. That guy's unbelievable. Our pop that he's become. How about the ladies, uh, La Catalina and Roxanne Perez, they're going to the title on the line there. A four way match for a shot at Phoenix's triple A world cruiser way title axiom mini Vakingo, Javon Evans, EK Prosper. I mean, mini Vakingo, you, you sing his praises every single week here. If fans have not checked out mini Vakingo, they're in for a treat. Are they not? He's 18 years old. He ought to be in history class and he's been wrestling for half a dozen years. I mean, this kid and he is a kid. He's a teenager. He, he's out there just, it is unreal what he does. What he does defies physics. You got so many guys, I think it's one of the specialties of triple A.

1:42:47You got so many guys who are so different and their working style is so different. We've always thought that about lucha. People ever, lucha ever catch his own. It's going to take over everywhere. And I think that's what you're seeing. Many of the King go and just epitomizes lucha and wait to see him. I mean, I'm telling you, you can't overhype this kid. When I say kid, it's not just an old man calling a young guy. He's a kid. He's 18 years old. And the way he competes with these guys, he's not very big. It is absolutely amazing what he will do in this race. We got a six woman tag triple A versus WWE. We've even got Dragon Leab and Jack Cartwheel. Jack Cartwheel has been turning heads on the independence for quite a while. I'm excited that he's getting his just due now. But Dragon Leab just stole the show against Chad Gable a couple of weeks ago. This is going to be unbelievably quick pay. So you think you better call the sheriff in Chicago because these boys going to steal the show. I'm telling you, it is just it's unreal watching these guys. You know, it reminds me back in the day when you had a roster that was really loaded.

1:43:48And people go out there and go, hey, follow this. That was always the phrase, follow this. That's what those guys, they walk out there like they had a chip on their shoulder and follow this. This Cartwheel and Dragon Leab, I mean, it is unreal what Cartwheel does. And Dragon Leab, I just sit there and amaze with these guys. There's so much you can do with these guys. You know, I want to do this, you know, it's part for the, they don't, they don't really do that anymore. I want to take them out to a place there in Mexico and let them do the flips and stuff out of parks and stuff. I think what they do is just unbelievable. It blows the mind and they do it so easy. And they do so many great things that it almost becomes commonplace until you realize what these guys are doing. And there's hardly anybody else on the planet that can do it. Mr. iguana, La Parca, Masquerita, Sagrada. I mean, we got a who's who's here in 404, but the other side is many of bismonegro. I don't know who you're going to be more excited to see. Masquerita, Sagrada, Mr. iguana, La Parca, or many of bismonegro.

1:44:51I think you're big fans of all those guys. I am and a bismonegro, I call him the biggest scam in the history of wrestling because he's anything but many. He's like, he's like the smallest guy in wrestling class. And what do you go with me? I'm going to be the world's biggest mini, but I'm going to be. Because he's like twice the size of Sagrada. Sagrada, you, Sagrada is the greatest mini of all time. Everybody says that. And he is. This guy is, he's just unbelievable. He's the one that was one of El Tirito with the Matadors from Puerto Rico. He's unbelievably talented, 50-something years old. But he's like Ray. He's aageless and absolutely unreal. Mr. iguana is starting to transform his wrestling game a little bit. He's trying to morph into something a little bit different. And I really like it. He's really working hard at it. He's really captured the mind and the imagination of, he's, I think what he is, he's a green, Ricky Morton. That's what he is. He's, he's, he's, he's guy goes out there and sells, sells, sells, and didn't does really cool, crazy stuff and gets over some health.

1:45:51What's great is normally when someone in wrestling says green, they may not experience. You mean literally the color green. Yeah, but makes triple A so fun. Of course, Oba Fimmy is even advertised for a special appearance. I don't think there's a match that's been announced. But dude, the idea that you've got Oba Fimmy on a triple A show, that feels like a big deal, John. It feels like a big deal to me. It feels like a big deal that almost is there. I have no idea what to do. I have no idea about creating nothing. But almost is there. And he is wrestling like a real giant. You know, he's been around for a long time and he started to wrestle like he should the last, what, five, six months. I think Undertaker's influence and Jeremy Boris's influence has been huge on him. Those guys are ones that are running that triple A and they do an incredible job blown away by what those guys do. But you got Oba Fimmy there and all these matchups that you haven't seen before because it's a different show and a different territory essentially, especially with almost. I mean, there's some pretty cool stuff you can do with Oba Fimmy.

1:46:53Well, there's some pretty cool stuff going down. Be sure to check it out whenever it's posted. I'm sure John will keep us abreast, but tickets are on sale. If you still want to go grab one, it will sell out. It's going down tomorrow as you're listening to this in Chicago with the Rosemont Horizon. The same building that WrestleMania 13 was in and seeing punk is coming back to Chicago in the main event. Go grab your tickets. It's a 730 central bell time. But you know what's cool, John, the very next day, well, that Sunday. And that what that makes me reminded that football season is heating up. And every week feels bigger with draft Kings. Draft Kings is now live in all 50 states. It's one half all the football nationwide. And every draft Kings customer can sign up with the code STW, spend five bucks to get 150 in rewards within 14 days. That includes all markets that's code STW in partnership with draft Kings.

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1:48:59It was JBL. It was Big Man Tater. And it was the one and only Jamie Dundee. You had a chance to preview this week's episode of Curtin Jerkers. John, how can you describe what people are about to see? Carrack. Absolute Carrack. I could not quit watching this. It's an absolute Carrack. It is an oddity museum. It's got the biggest oddity collection in the world of all kinds of crazy animals that were born with one eye, born with eight legs, almost stuffed and all there. Jamie Dundee is walking through oddity museum with Big Man Tater. Dressed as Big Man Tater. I bought you a baboon skull in there. That's an ancient baboon skull. I can't believe it. It is the greatest gift I've ever been given. I mean, imagine this. I'm sitting in my car thinking about the head home. JBL comes up, taps on the window and says, I got you something. And he handed me an animal's head. That's right. It was like a baboon's miniature, swollen, trokin baboon head that I bought you.

1:50:00Because I thought you'd like it. But it reminded you of Dave Silva. How did they shrink it? I don't know. I don't know all that. I just know that I know how I know I paid for. That's all I know. And also bought a, like I won't go to work until I don't give away. I bought something for Jamie Dundee that he wrote around in later at the, at the event too. And I'm not so proud of that. That's not all. I hope, I hope whatever it was. You still get the bad from your head? Yes, I have the baboon head. Okay. All right. Don't get hot about what? Well, how would I even, I'm not even sure it's legal to have. Maybe I need to start, believe in it, because I don't even, can I legally own that? I don't know. I really don't know. I bought, uh, don't tell everybody what you bought. I won't go out of the box. I really, when I got on the plane and I realized I got through security and nobody had caught me. I thought, good, because I'm not sure what, what I bought was legal. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what to say.

1:51:01It's JBL. It's Big Bantator. It's JC Ice from PG 13 in a freaking Audities Museum. What could go wrong? Check out Curtin Jerkers. Oh, dude. What? It's the second time. Well, I know it's fun. What's stabbing me? Why is it GCW? God. I think my tater's bleeding. I think it's the first time I've ever seen a Tater. I think it's the first time I've ever seen a Tater. I think it's the first time I've ever seen a Tater. I think it's the first time I've ever seen a Tater. I think my tater's bleeding. Pick a fork in me. I'm done. Stop. Stop it. This isn't fun anymore. Can I just poke you in a belly? Well, it's fun for me. Gravy will come out all over the squash table. Gravy? You'll bleed gravy?

1:52:01I bleed gravy. I just want to poke you. I want to do it. Stop, don't make me throw my eye at you. Don't get hot. Don't get hot. Don't get hot when I'm getting stabbed with a spear. You're no fun. I think that's the exact time to get hot. Hey, can I hit me the club? Hit the cameraman. Either one of them. 30 dollars for a club. Hit the driver. Hey, it's rubber. It's not rubber. It is. I got a spoiler. Let me hit you with a see if it feels like a problem. It's not funny that way. It's funny if you're getting hit. Hey, look, I'm a big boss man. What? See, twirl it like that. There you go. Wack and hit. I'm not. Would you quit? You're a mastodon. You can't show fear. Man, can I have something sharp?

1:53:02Okay, first of all, no weapons in the squash meetup area. But I did it out of friendship, kind of. All right. So let me give you the rundown on the museum. It is a self-guided experience. We recommend following the arrows on the map to best be the collection as intended. But it is self-guided to follow your curiosity. Go where you'd like. But take as much time as you can. This is a massive collection. Do you see there's a lot to see? There's a lot to take in. So take your time. Make sure you look up down all around with cramp things in everywhere. Is there going to be snack? We got some cold drinks up there. I would not recommend eating anything in here. No. No. Let's check. It's time. First thing we're looking for is a line. Kale because it was eating cattle. Oh. Oh. Turkey snake bonnet. No, this is a massive collection of vintage and 18 types. Who started this? Who collected it? Who collected it? One Jeremy Gibbs. Okay.

1:54:02Yes. So he is a singer. Is. Yes. Oh yeah. And he's only a few years old to the maid. But he's been collecting on it and taxed her for so long. Nice. What gives a singer? Gives. Oh yeah. And there he is. I'm going to get some show. I thought I immediately just popped into the social sketch. Why am I not remembering BG song right now? What's the name of this song? That's so good. I think it's a good name. It's a good name. And he is the owner and proprietor of this collection and finding things as his superpower. What you're going to see in here is the largest private collection of Deformed animal taxidermy in the country. Oh, yes. That's all I'm just playing. If anyone has a bigger collection nobody knows about it or gets to see it. Math makes it creepy. It says no large bags. You have your big drug bag with you. Now go down to this shop. That in James Don't Scar. right here and ride it to the next hour. Keep doing whatever it is we're headed.

1:55:03Do you ever know Carl DeMarco? You don't know nobody. He was ahead of me. He was ahead of WWE Canada. That's the end of the day. He's some older now. So I want to know that he's been in wrestling your whole life. But they're all fucking life. Oh yeah, you don't, I wouldn't expect you know anybody in fucking wrestling. Because you've only been wrestling your whole life. They're old. They're not from my world. That's why I forgot they're from wrestling. Yeah, I'm mighty. No, they're not allowed to like go out with what I am with an older now. Well, you see him because he had a big head. Where the piece will be? That's Carl DeMarco. He's ahead of WWE. That's Carl DeMarco right there. I don't know who's off the stab. That's Carl DeMarco. I don't know see how to know Carl DeMarco. He said, he had a new nickname. Here's a picture of me getting out of the shower. He said, he just like you know what he does. He looks like a, you know if you just put like a job drop strap on his head right here.

1:56:03Right there. Maybe you put a job strap on his head. And a big, and a big singlet. Yeah, they're one camera one camera one camera. Camera one camera. Camera one camera. That's a small draft. Yeah, they got even no credit. What else would it be? What else would it be? What else would it be? I don't know, but it just don't look deraffy and way too much. It's like a fucking drifter draft. You know what all these are tighter, Doc? They must have been wrestling. You don't know what they owe they are. I never heard of him. Why would I know him? I don't know. They're wrestling your whole fucking life. Hey, Tim Billy Jim. I like a hillmilly. The family says somebody. Jamie Nussell. You know who he'll blow it just. Sure, my dad helps to already me. Even he's holiday. Look at here. Chlorophobia. That's the fear of clowns.

1:57:03I don't have no fear of clowns. I was a clown in the circus. One circus. At the cohort of the circus. At what? You got shot out of a cannon. Yeah, many nights every day. How far? Yeah, back to the day. You got shot 200 yards out of a cannon. How? Only Sundays. I thought you said every day. I'll have a day to three times on Sunday. Two more Saturday and once the money to the minute 30. You get shot out of a cannon. Yeah. How'd you get in the circus? Because my dad was a market director. And I went to business. He was one. And so he put his son in a cannon. I did the clown routine. And then I would do the cannon. That's a main event. So you did a clown. What did you do for his clown? Just a clown. But that's the reason he had a routine. Well, he did the little routine we come in at the cohort dance. You break down. So I didn't know.

1:58:04But what did you do? Well, I did whatever the circus asked me to do. What do they want you to do? What do they want you to do? I know what a clown is. I didn't do what I did routine. Like what kind of routine? Me and three other clowns. I think you don't know the routine. So we get new. But you can do your part of the routine by itself. That's break dancing. Yeah. All right. That looks like Chimble. Yeah. Were you really a clown? No, I was in a clown club for the circus. Then I got shot out of the cannon there every day and twang. I went around to be surfed on them. We did that. We've been me and Tater. We did. Look, I used the rainwater to wet my hair out there many ago. Why? How many drive is coming? We have to have this conversation not near the speaker. We're going to get copyrighted. Okay, we need to do this. It's the only spot in the museum we can't stand.

1:59:04Listen to what's funny. I got the beauty of your home. Hey, look. These are the flops. I should rest the lamp. Oh, yeah. That's exactly the way I'm saying. This is actually the big big shows. You see big shows actual flip flop. I'm going to take a picture of it. Hey, Vader, come send my big shows flip flop. Maybe they're going to take it like this. So here we go. Perfect. Why? Please wait in time. We're going to release theTCUodes. Jamie. Come on. There's peanuts. There is peanuts. How many times you get shot out of the cannon for, uh, seven bucks? It's a rush, but your dad was marketing directors. So how do you end up marketing director? with Yeah.

2:00:04Well, we're wearing a Ronnie West. I mean, go to the town, you know, the news and say the circus is coming. Where was the circus that you travel with? Way in Florida all the way up to Long Island, New York and back down. How does he know the entire front office of the circus? He never heard really mind him to be. I'm not allowed to. You remember how I had to. Chimble was a ringing down to one in office. He wasn't smart enough because he's stupid. I remember my kid. Yeah. What? I remember. I remember every my kid. I bet you knew. This is how all of Jamie's dates end. Just like that. What the hell? All right. What about that? Do you think like sometimes they lean over and walk on the floor? You were at iron long. Tiddle me really. You wouldn't think you think sometimes they go down and they just walk on the floor. You do stick it out like that. And then later on they put it back down. Have you ever heard of this? Is that the story you told us about the two girls that came to your hotel? There was a book for one leg down. There's the abilities.

2:01:05Oh man. When I see that it reminds me of things like going killer. Like who? Helen Keller. The little deaf chick that couldn't talk her. Remember knows about a read or something. Wait a minute. What's the story? Helen Keller? What? Who was Helen? Go. She was a chick. She was deaf and dumb. But she learned how to speak. Jump to my gutter. She learned how to speak or how to read. Hey, he reads the same thing. You know, he let you. She's got lady. She jumped off in part. What she jumped off in her statement. The cameraman's laughing so hard. He farted. It's just it's chaos in there. The cameraman farted. Yes, it's chaos. He's laughing so hard. The cameraman farted in an audit TV museum. Hey, Hey, Tater, let me give you a hand. Tater, let me give you a hand. Oh, here's our Roswell area 55. Hey, look. Look, I'm small for the mouth, bro.

2:02:07Oh, you got your teeth there. No, I'm tired. My mind. I'm going to be somebody's right. Jamie, you're Russell, maybe? I know, but brother, that was scared the shit out of me. They think they're walking up in your house, man. Did they mean what are you going to do? Nothing. You can't even gust of him or not. You look at this thing, man. I want to make love to it. You think it's sexy? Yeah. Yeah, sexy is hell. You ever see another two? There's video you being shot out of a cannon. Yeah, it's a whole brother. What are you thinking like the first time they can Orlando Jordan took me to like this alligator farm, Orlando Jordan. You don't know anybody enough. Fuck it. No, he's in fucking wrestling. He's a wrestler too. So he took me to this alligator farm where you can like wrestle these alligators. I did. But now it's supposed to be kind of safe. But the guy who like introduced me to it had like all those fingers. He did. I'm like, dude, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he this is really, it's really safe. I know I don't feel safe.

2:03:07He took a lot of polar shit being gone. He just got two fingers. Shit. That's a good day. Oh, hey, here's this. See that? That's a syrup. How you know it's a syrup color? With a damn misspeaky mask on. You got to be a syrup killer. But kind of weird. 60 out of the same time. You think it's sexy? Yeah, take that mask off. I think that's a little hot blonde. I don't know. What do you think she's cross out? Why would she be cross out? Wait, she's out in New York. She's pretty. She wants to cover up. There's some things so ugly. But misspeaky on it. Hey, man, we get them. Let me drink. That never walked. The thing never. How do you know? It goes now serving way of them. See, you never say why I could think that glue right there. Turn up. Right there. Now, now this. The six. It's up here. It's a land monkey.

2:04:09Thank you. I ain't it. I can't believe all of that. Look, we got, we got some stories over here. That is nubbing. Nubbing the smallest pony alive. But my tummy got too big and I couldn't walk. I had to be put to sleep. I think that's about to be me. You think they're going to have to put you on? It's going to get too big. Just call me nubbing from now on. Nubbing. I just took a picture of nubbing. It's nubbing time. It's all nubbing. Oh, that is. I never really lived around. It's nubbing time. I'm very excited about the museum. I'm going to buy something. I may buy a woolly mammoth tooth or a rhino woolly moutouse. Kind of more woolly mammoth tooth, but there's a woolly rhino tooth, which I didn't know there were woolly rhinos. So I'm not sure about this, but I think I'm going to buy one. And I need a clown. So I'm a chlorophyll, but I'm not chlorophyll, but not scared of clowns.

2:05:12I'm surprised at Jamie. Not Jamie. Jamie Dundee doesn't know anybody in wrestling. But I know all these people. I know all this stuff. He was shot out of a can. Did you invite Jamie? No. Why is he here? I'm not yet. I know I did why he sort of just either. This is what the crowd looked like the every time you appeared. It's not funny. Dad, that's not funny. I'm going to take a picture. I'm going to send this to the cast. Oh, cool. And that's not wide enough. See, this is a coffin. That's not a casket. Cascots are foresighted. Did you say Andre's casket? No, I didn't. The thing is, it's on the internet too. Was it on YouTube? Yes. Things up in Andre's casket? Yeah. And it's French and standard right next to it. Was he in a casket or a coffin? No, he's in a coffin. Yeah, I'd be wooden coffin. Say it like a... You don't say it like I read that. You can't. John. John. What? Come look at the elephants. What elephants? Look, you look at the elephants.

2:06:14Look, you look in there and you see the elephants. It's no way to price one of a kind. I don't know. Do you see them? Why would they do that? They're tiny elephants. It's like saying that's a giant leopard god. Why would you have tiny elephants? Hey, look. Hey, you think we'd do this with Jamie? Jerry, how cool will you put you in here? Hey, put it in a costume. And light it up on. Or, well, give me green light on fire. And you can burn alive. Or we can put you in there and you can just stand there. And when people come by, you go, hey. Yeah, I promise. Yes. But I've always said since I was little, I've got my guy. I want to be stuck. I want to be stuck. I can't be stuck. I can't be stuck. I personally... Stuff all these animals. I can't be stuck in my purse. I never know. Who is going to... No, because you're going to have to... Who's going to display you? My kids are my great-grandkids. They'll bring you out everyone in your birthday. You smoke a cigarette? No, just smoke a cigarette. I'll tell you right there with the thumb up or something. You can hang your jacket on there or something. We'll just right there.

2:07:14Go on. Would you buy a Jamie Dundee scallion? Yes, you. And I sold one ticket last month. No way for fang. Yeah, I come in there. If I got it on camera. I'll give it a shot. Put it off for you. I also want a human face-y. She tried, third. That's not that remarkable. I don't think. You always been into this kind of stuff? No. No. And I'm not now. No, I think it's awesome. I think it's great. You got a man walking around... I'm messing around and I'm walking around in the mass. There's Mr. Aguana right above the two-headed rabbit or whatever that is. Try and tell him Mr. Aguana was a freak. Nobody listened to me. This was originally on display of the Buffalo Bill Museum. No touching. No touching. No stalling me fucking stooge. They keep jamming out. That's why it's so quiet. Oh, thank God. Oh my God. I always had stuff in.

2:08:14I always had stuff in. I always had stuff in. Kern Drucker's live here at the Audities Museum in Atlanta, Georgia. We had only thing that makes these two look normal. We got two-headed calves, two-headed elephants, two-headed everything. And we got a mastodon and a dundee. Hey, I knew it'd grow at three boobs one time. I don't know you did. I did do it. It was like another little... It's just a little... I did do it. It was like another little... It's just like... God, I got me averaged. The Audities Museum. There's nothing like it. You've got to come if you're in the Atlanta area. You've got to come over here. They have rolled out the red carpet and all the three-headed calves for us today. Absolutely. Are you going to boss up? Yeah, come on. You're just going to get sure. I'm going to get sure. I'm going to get sure. God almighty. Like the stuff you... Like the stuff you two should be in. You should be in the care of the children. I'm not bad ever. You said that for me. I was just... We were brought, baby. And she said... She was breathing in the room and I'm going to get a round of a... Look, it's in my ranthrum down here. 1912, bro.

2:09:15Oh, oh. Oh, oh. Oh. Oh, oh. Oh, shit. I'm getting good, bro. I'm getting good. 1912, this thing was made, bro. What do you think? It's a fucking bad ass, ain't it? Oh, shit. They said if you fuck around and play it, I'm going to end up in them, though, you know? There you are, right? There you are, right?

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